[bestbits] Re: [governance] Alternatives?

[Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal]

Avri, 

You did put that Sovereignty argument on the table, not to discuss sovereignty but to explain why Democracies were somehow disabled out of their boundaries.

Democracy is not a right. It often starts with a fight, then with a constitution, then with hick-ups, then with cultural and political tradition, then it might turned down or survive depending not of rights but of people's willingness to preserve it. Democracy is therefore made out of a social contract, more than a right coming out of the blue. And a social contract is usually needed when the balance between social justice, or social injustice is way pending toward the latter. 

This is more or less what is happening now with Internet governance confiscated by a few, and it will change, in the same fashion as no one can stop the waves to come everyday beating the cliffs.

Participatory Democracy has nothing to do with Multistakehoderism. MSism is a concept that came out of business Schools, and it will for ever keep that original bias. 

Come back to Democracy Avri, plain Democracy, and you will see a lot more accomplished than in 10 years of WSIS. To be fair to WSIS, I would say that MSism has been the major impeachment to any progress to WSIS, and to IGF to be as of today, THE venue where ideas and innovation would have emerged, was it not that empty MSism.

JC
 
Le 6 mars 2014 à 18:50, Avri Doria a écrit :

> 
> 
> On 06-Mar-14 17:32, Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal wrote:
>> Avri saying that outside of its territory a country was losing its
>>  sovereignty, and therefore no Democracy could have a say outside of
>> its territory...
> 
> While I say that Sovereignty is limited to within borders, I did not say that democracy is limited to borders.
> 
> It is not the nation that confers democracy. It is a right, and it is a right that most all countries have accepted by virtue of covenant, despite the variable ways in which they deliver on their promise.
> 
> In fact I define the multistakeholder model of participatory democracy as one form of democracy that extends beyond the sovereign border.
> 
> avri
> 
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