[governance] [bestbits] Three NETmundial submissions launched for endorsement at bestbits.net

[David Allen]

On Mar 5, 2014, at 6:49 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:

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> On Wednesday 05 March 2014 05:09 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
>> On 5 Mar 2014, at 7:21 pm, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
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>>> And of course, the proposed view to be submitted on 1Net's behalf has this all important principle, "Decisions made with respect to Internet governance should only be made by bodies that allow free and equitable access to all stakeholders at all points in the decision-making process." Well of course. Two hoots to democracy!
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>>> Now I shall come to the point, of my comments on the proposed submission to NetMundial submitted by Jeremy.
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>>> I of course support and commend both APC Principles and IRP Principles  - which seem the main burden of the submission.... BUT...
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>>> Can someone explain me the meaning of "equitable multistakeholder participation" and whether it is different from what is meant in the above statement from 1Net's survey. If so, how.... More precisely, are you seeking that all stakeholders, including business reps, have equal part and role (as gov reps) in making decisions about public policies. Please address this point specifically. 
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>> Yes, you picked up on a key point.  There was a discussion of this on the pad where the text was workshopped, which you can read for yourself: https://pad.riseup.net/p/IG_principles.  At various times it was "parity" and "power sharing" before it became "equitable participation", which is somewhat flexible, to accommodate the different viewpoints that we all have about how equal the stakeholder roles should be.
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> I dont greatly like flexibility between democracy and non-democracy. 
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> So, request a clear response - do you mean parity in decision making about public policies between gov and non gov actors.... And this is not a petty point... Half of the time of the WGEC got taken on this kind of discussion. This is the single most important point today, if we can clarify nd possibly agree on this point - rest is not too difficult... Lets accept what is the key point, and not skirt it...
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> BTW, the German government has the following to say in its submission to NetMundial
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> "Democratically elected governments, as the representative of the people, possess public authority including internet-related public policy issues and are supposed to be the main source for legitimacy and democratic legitimation. Hence they have to respect and protect human rights, ensure that the rule of law is respected and that relevant national legislation complies with their obligations under international law. Moreover, they need to ensure that the appropriate basic conditions both in terms of cyber-security and technical provisions are in place. Civil society serves, and should continue to do so, as a facilitator and notably as a source of empowerment and credibility, especially at community level. The private sector and particularly the technical community significantly influence and encourage the development, distribution and accessibility of the internet, and should continue to do so. In order to fully live up to the potentials for economic growth, innovation, freedom of expression, access to information and ideas and democratic participation in a knowledge society, all stakeholders involved need to work together."
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> Do you for instance agree to the above formulation, or NOT...
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> parminder 

I can only underline what Parminder says:

Do you support democracy, as for instance laid out in the German statement - where governments are the legitimate makers and implementors of policy, with participation by the various members and groups in a society?  Or, do you support some quite undefined alternative, to push democracy aside - where, just as a very tiny example, the Brazil meeting, which might have had such promise, is now the mouthpiece for ICANN aspirations?

David

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