APOLOGY Re: [bestbits] Shortlists for Brazil for further consideration

[Carolina Rossini]

Thank you. :-)


On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:42 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:

>   Carolina,
>
> please accept my personal apologies for this as the wording was entirely
> inappropriate. I was trying to provoke a discussion on ensuring that we
> were encompassing all viewpoints and including strong advocacy, but in the
> process made suggestions as to your personal involvement in issues which
> were inaccurate.
>
> I can only tell you, if it helps, that my inaccuracies (of which there
> were several on re-reading, and other apologies are due as well including
> Joana and Marilia) were bound to be picked up by others in the group and
> challenged, and nothing in my personal comments should be taken as
> representative of any organisation or group involved. I own my own words.
>
> Any suggestion by me, which can be inferred by my poorly chosen words,
> that only one or two of the candidates under consideration are capable of
> presenting third world issues and advocating on their behalf, is entirely
> inappropriate and for this I apologise.
>
>
> Ian Peter
>
>
>
>  *From:* Carolina Rossini <carolina.rossini at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 09, 2014 10:31 AM
> *To:* Burcu Kilic <bkilic at citizen.org>
> *Cc:* Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> ;
> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Shortlists for Brazil for further consideration
>
>    (Apart of the personal side, and as I mentioned to Parminder, I do not
> take things personal - so that was an exception Ian, because it was
> personal :-) )
>
> What disturbs me the most is that this email shows that there are groups
> withing groups. And this groups do not seem to be working groups, but
> groups that are ok with "ruptures at any point" (and I prefer to keep to
> myself what this may mean). And this worries me incredibly. It creates lots
> of trouble regarding the process we all agreed to in a certain moment and
> it also exposes all of us as CS.
>
> I am part of many other movements (open government, open data for science,
> free culture, open education, open access for publications, etc) and the
> cooperation and trust is much more present, which makes all the work, our
> strategies and positions move better. Plus, we are probably happier and
> more positive.
>
> I feel that if we do not have a true commitment with the group and also if
> we are not willing to open spaces for new comers, our movement may have a
> very dark end. I have been witnessing over the list - which actually make
> me sad, and I am sure overburdens lots of people here - the personal
> attacks, and the difficult we seem to have in "letting go" or "in
> trusting". I worked with cooperation theory, and I think if we were all
> part of a prisoners' dilemma game, we would all be dead by now due to our
> long long prison sentences. ;-)
>
> I preferred to be quiet when the attacks start, but again, I think it is
> just sad and a distraction from the real work. I have actually been
> thinking of ways to deal with that...such as having a working wiki where
> the real content driven work can happen and we list the content and
> strategy topics being discussed (which is also a better way to document
> work and find consensus)  while folks keep debating interesting things on
> the list (or other issues...).
>
> The only other similar community I have known (and also participated in)
> is the Wikipedia. You have to have a real rough skin over there...hehehe.
> But they do get things done by using a knowledge management platform - a
> wiki.
>
> Anyway....I will take care of other work now, of my beautiful 3 year-old
> and have a glass of wine (which I humbly recommend to all), hoping we all
> find ways of trusting ourselves as a group and our processes better.
>
> Hugs to all, (yes, I am Brazilian and thus a big hugger) :-)
>
> Carol
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Burcu Kilic <bkilic at citizen.org> wrote:
>
>>  I second that. Carol is a strong advocate for developing countries,
>> particularly Latin America.
>>
>> She is a proud Brazilian when it comes to work.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:
>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *Carolina
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 08, 2014 5:28 PM
>> *To:* Ian Peter
>> *Cc:* Ian Peter; <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Shortlists for Brazil for further consideration
>>
>>
>>
>> Btw... I am Brazilian and even leaving in US, I have TONS of work in
>> developing world, my day by day work is focused on developing work, and
>> just moved to the US because my husband is american. I do TONS of pro bono
>> work on A2K, education, and ICTs in Brazil and other Latin American and
>> South Asia countries. So it is NOT true I would not represent a developing
>> country view.
>>
>> I am very honored by the votes and the trust.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2014, at 4:02 PM, "Ian Peter" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>>
>>   OMG... clearly not meant for this list and my sincere apologies to
>> everyone.
>>
>>
>>
>> this was an awful mistake on my part...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 09, 2014 7:43 AM
>>
>> *To:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>
>> *Subject:* [bestbits] Shortlists for Brazil for further consideration
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks everyone for prompt replies – below is a summary of your responses
>> and the candidates still under consideration (although there is nothing to
>> stop us bringing forward other names later on if we want to)
>>
>>
>>
>> HLC
>>
>>
>>
>> Carolina Rossini – 3.5 votes
>>
>> Jovan K – 3 votes
>>
>> Mark Rotenberg – 3 votes
>>
>> Joana Varon 2.5 votes
>>
>> Milton Mueller 2 votes
>>
>> Parminder Singh 2 votes
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin 1 vote
>>
>> Louis Pouzin 1 vote
>>
>> Marilia Maciel 1 vote
>>
>>
>>
>> SOME COMMENTS AND ISSUES
>>
>>
>>
>> The brief here is “This committee will set the high ­level political
>> tone and objectives of the
>>
>> conference.  Committee members will engage on a global level with
>> stakeholders to
>>
>> encourage participation in the conference and maximize its chances of
>> success”
>>
>>
>>
>> Bear in mind also that (my paraphrasing) the aim of the meeting seems to
>> be to develop a set of high level principles for Internet Governance.
>>
>>
>>
>> We dont know yet whether we need 3 or 4 candidates, and probably wont
>> know till Saturday. I think our aim between now and then should be to try
>> and narrow down our field a bit and eliminate some names if possible. But
>> in doing so:
>>
>>
>>
>> Carolina Rossini, Jovan K and Marc Rotenberg got the most support
>> initially – not that we need to be bound by this. They are all impressive
>> candidates.
>>
>>
>>
>> If Marc was in, we probably couldn’t include Milton – 2 US males would
>> not be a good decision politically. Milton also probably fits as an
>> academic – but as he is likely to be running the process to select academic
>> candidates, he may not be able to include himself. Maybe we should seek
>> clarification here?
>>
>>
>>
>> If Carolina was in, we probably wouldn’t include Joana or Marilia
>>
>>
>>
>> None of our first 3 would be considered to be a strong advocate for third
>> world issues. If we thought it was important to include someone with this
>> perspective, the choices would be Louis Pouzin or Parminder Singh.
>> Parminder has indicated he would step down in favour of Louis Pouzin, and
>> we may need to consider that Parminder is a member of the CI (Community
>> Informatics) Nomcom also considering candidates for these very same
>> positions (but with about 6 candidates and very little chance of their
>> nominees being accepted) . That may be perceived as a conflict of interest,
>> or we could ignore it. But some people have already suggested to me
>> informally that Parminder has a conflict of interest here.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also to just note re Stephanie Perrin – if Marc Rotenberg was in we might
>> consider we have privacy issues well covered; but if in our final slate we
>> wanted to include Milton and leave Marc out to not have too many male US
>> citizens Stephanie is an option to cover privacy.
>>
>>
>>
>> So lots of issues.Let’s discuss and see if we can narrow down a little
>> while we await info as to whether we need 3 or 4 names.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> EC
>>
>> Marilia Maciel 3.5 votes
>>
>> Adam Peake 3 votes
>>
>> Joana Varon 2 votes
>>
>> Nadira Alaraj 1.5 votes
>>
>> Carolina Rossini 1.5 votes
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin 1 vote
>>
>> Norbert Bollow 1 vote
>>
>> Birgitta Jonsdottr .5
>>
>> Parminder Singh .5
>>
>>
>>
>> SOME COMMENTS AND ISSUES
>>
>>
>>
>> The brief here is “This committee owns the full responsibility of
>> organizing the event, including: defining conference purpose/agenda,
>> managing invitations, organizing input received into a coherent set of
>> proposals for the conferees to address, managing conference proceedings and
>> process, and directing all communications activities pre/­during/­post
>> conference.  This committee will include 2 civil society representatives”.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think we need to determine HLC before finalising here. However Marilia
>> and Adam have the strongest support at this stage. We again face the issue
>> here of having a strong advocate for third world issues as a factor in
>> deciding our final 2.
>>
>>
>>
>> Over to you all for comments, suggestions, and attempts to narrow this
>> down further!
>>
>>
>>
>> Ian Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>  *Carolina Rossini*
> *Project Director, Latin America Resource Center*
> Open Technology Institute
> *New America Foundation*
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Open Technology Institute
*New America Foundation*
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