[bestbits] Re: notes from meeting with FADI in DC

[Adam Peake]

On Jan 31, 2014, at 1:50 AM, Carolina Rossini wrote:

> What do you mean? The website netmundial.org  is open for suggestions.
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> 


I would hold off sending anything to the website until there is a call for contributions. This should come very soon.

Reason I'm asking about the key principles statements is to get some idea about how we might plan for discussion in Sao Paulo, how to achieve the best outcome (whatever that might be - and that itself a good topic to discuss.)  

The agenda allows for about 4 hours of discussion, so my personal hope is we'll be able to start the meeting with some consensus on core principles that might form the basis of a universal statement -- with the universal statement, or a draft of it, an outcome of this part of the meeting.  

We've heard a few times that there are perhaps 25 key statements of principles.  So, based on those how can we reach a rough consensus on which are the core/common/essential principles for a universal statement?  One way might be to ask people to consider the key (25?) statements and from those identify which they think are the core principles, and ask for some justification for their selections.  Might narrow down to a common set which can be further discussed.  But to do this, do need to identify the key statements (hence my email below.)

I don't know if the exec comm will agree this is a reasonable approach, or if CS will.  But interested to hear.

Thanks,

Adam




> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
> Hi Carolina,
> 
> Could you recommend the key principles statements we might consider.
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> Jeremy drew up a list: <http://bestbits.net/wiki/main/statements-of-internet-rights-and-principles/>
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> Add President Rousseff's speech to the UN GA <http://gadebate.un.org/sites/default/files/gastatements/68/BR_en.pdf> and also the UN "right to privacy in the digital age" (based on the Brazil+German draft, copy attached).
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> Necessary and proportionate <https://en.necessaryandproportionate.org/text> and Carl Bildt's Seoul cyber conf speech <http://www.government.se/sb/d/17281/a/226592>, both spoken highly of in Bali.
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> Marco Civil should be consider if it passes and if Brazil wants it there.  Community informatics statement <http://cirn.wikispaces.com/An+Internet+for+the+Common+Good+-+Engagement%2C+Empowerment%2C+and+Justice+for+All> (though  I think a bit aspirational).
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> Is that it, what am I missing?
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> Thanks,
> 
> Adam
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> On Jan 31, 2014, at 1:02 AM, Carolina Rossini wrote:
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> > - He did not mentioned specific dates for the reports, but he said they are almost done.
> > - I did understand that when he was saying "governance principles" they would be process focus principles. So transparency, multistakeholder, etc would be discussed, but net neutrality and things alike would not (But remember, Fadi impressions have diverged in the past from those of the Brazilian officials). Maybe this is something that should be clarified by the committees. At the end the statement "crafting internet principles" is not that clear (to say the least)
> > - yes, he did agree HR should be the broader framework for all this
> > - I was in a meeting yesterday with folks of the Necessary and Proportionate coalition, and I specifically suggested Katitza (EFF), Jochai (Access) and Mathew (CDT) to submit through the site the N and P principles...
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> > On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 3:05 AM, Joana Varon <joana at varonferraz.com> wrote:
> > Thanks, Carol.
> > This part brought my attention:
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> > "Brazil wont discuss internet principles in general, but principles of governance: principles, networks, etc. We will just have 2 days."
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> > +
> > The addition you guys made on Human Rights and he agreed.
> >
> > I wonder what is the understanding...is it that there wouldnt be space to debate specific  principles such as necessary and proportionate?
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> > Do we have a date for Vint's report?
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> > On 29 Jan 2014 13:56, "Carolina Rossini" <carolina.rossini at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well, it seems he will growth on his position until this group of social responsability figures out their next steps, but we can clarify
> >
> > Chirs is also moving to DC.
> >
> > No bigger context to the meeting besides dialogue. They just called folks from civil society and think tanks in DC to meet, since Fadi was here to speak at STON
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> > C.
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> >