[bestbits] Surveillance paragraph of netmundial document

[Mawaki Chango]

I don't know whether that would make it an IG issue or not, but I think it
still is legitimate and even maybe strategically necessary for civil
society engaged in IG, to the extent they are concerned with a policy
problem that is enabled by the internet and can be constrained by internet
policy, to discuss and develop proposals in IG space in order to help
address that problem in its proper space. Unless the problem space (here
national security law) offers the same opportunity for CS to prepare and
provide inputs.

 It's just a practical and opportunity problem. Of course everybody in the
IG space does not have to be involved in that discussion.
Thanks


On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart <nashton at consensus.pro>wrote:

> I would say that if we try and make everything an Internet Governance
> issue, we will be unable to agree on anything. There are better fora to
> discuss many subjects than IG - aside from anything else, in other fora the
> results are binding, where in IG they are not.
>
> I would suggest that anything that relates to the data that the network
> carries is not IG, and anything that relates to the network and not the
> data IS IG as a rough-and-ready rule.
>
> Just because something has a digital dimension doesn't mean it is in scope
> for IG.
>
> On 17 Apr 2014, at 12:42, Lorena Jaume-Palasí <lorena at collaboratory.de>
> wrote:
>
>  indeed, it is a national security-law problem and as you stated, Nick, it
> has a digital dimension. Issues with a digital dimension and about
> regulation are not in the focus of internet governance? I do think that
> this is an internet governance issue -however not exclusively since it
> affects other political dimensions too.
> Kind regards,
> Lorena
>
> Am 17.04.2014 12:31, schrieb Nick Ashton-Hart:
> > I think the key issue here is: how do countries treat non-nationals in
> pursuit of their national security and law enforcement activities.
> >
> > This is not actually an 'Internet problem' or an Internet governance
> issue to my mind, it is a surveillance problem that affects the Internet
> because the Internet is the tool being used.
>
>
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