[bestbits] multistakeholderism is democracy was Re: [] FW: US Is an O...

[Seth Johnson]

I addressed some of this in preparing for the WTPF:

http://internetdistinction.com/bricoleur/#EnhancedInsight

You can scroll up from that name tag for an earlier version of the
observations I have just posted under my own subject header.


Seth


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:29 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>wrote:

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> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 07:41 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
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>> On 15-Apr-14 09:37, Mawaki Chango wrote:
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>>> MSism is a decision-making process and I don't know where anyone could
>>> have possibly taken that bogus idea that MSism is the next big thing
>>> after democracy (just like democracy once was that next big thing after
>>> tyranny, aristocracy, etc.)
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> You had in your email sought focussing on actual practices... Therefore
> you need to look at practices of MSism... It is indeed the next thing after
> democracy, and NOT democracy... MSism gives big business a veto on public
> policy making. This kind of thing is impossible to even mention in a
> democratic discourse.. But the same unmentionable has been dressed by
> employment of huge expenditure of resources in the respectable clothes if
> MSism.
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> Do you disagree that MSism as being practiced in its 'equal footing' model
> (1) gives veto power to big business and (2) such a thing is unattainable
> in democratic discourse and practice..
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> Now you may say that I am speaking about entirely imaginary models of
> MSism, and creatign strawmen of MSism...
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> Well, no..
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> On the BestBit list an elaborate model has been developed and presented,
> latest in response to the leaked NetMundial draft (did you also support
> this model?) which creates a multistakeholder screening mechanism for
> taking up any public policy issue.. Does this not give big business a veto
> on what matters can be taken for public policy treatment? Is this
> democratic?
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> Second, the NetMundial draft document seeks public policy making through
> consensus basis alone -  which is an multistakeholder consensus on equal
> footing...  It says that processes of governance have to be first be agreed
> by all stakeholders (keep reading business when I say stakeholders bec it
> is they for whom these models are fashioned)....
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> Now, is it democratic to give business (big business, no one asked my
> corner shop guy) such structural vetos over public policy making? What
> could be more democratic...
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> Since you said devil is in the details, lets talk about the detail and the
> devil... Lets talk specifics, and these above are the specifics of MSism...
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> parminder
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>  I am one who does argues that Multistakeholderism is not just another
>> decision making process.
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>> I also do not claim in is the next big thing after democracy.  I argue
>> that it is a form of democracy.  Multistakeholderism includes modalities
>> of democratic organization as well as a variety of mechanisms.    It is
>> a form of participatory democracy that builds upon the varieties of
>> representational democracy that one finds in some countries and the
>> various forms of self-organization that people in society uses to
>> organize itself on issues of importance and brings them in the greater
>> democratic mix.
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>> I do agree that there is not just one form of the multistakeholder
>> model, but argue that there are attributes of Multistakeholderism as
>> participatory democracy that are necessary.
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>> I too have yet to finish my self-promised work on multistakeholderism.
>> Though I have written on this a bit.
>>
>> avri
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