<div dir="ltr"><div><div><br></div>I addressed some of this in preparing for the WTPF:<br><br><a href="http://internetdistinction.com/bricoleur/#EnhancedInsight">http://internetdistinction.com/bricoleur/#EnhancedInsight</a><br>
<br></div><div>You can scroll up from that name tag for an earlier version of the observations I have just posted under my own subject header.<br></div><div><br><br></div>Seth<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:29 AM, parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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On Tuesday 15 April 2014 07:41 PM, Avri Doria wrote:<br>
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On 15-Apr-14 09:37, Mawaki Chango wrote:<br>
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MSism is a decision-making process and I don't know where anyone could<br>
have possibly taken that bogus idea that MSism is the next big thing<br>
after democracy (just like democracy once was that next big thing after<br>
tyranny, aristocracy, etc.)<br>
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You had in your email sought focussing on actual practices... Therefore you need to look at practices of MSism... It is indeed the next thing after democracy, and NOT democracy... MSism gives big business a veto on public policy making. This kind of thing is impossible to even mention in a democratic discourse.. But the same unmentionable has been dressed by employment of huge expenditure of resources in the respectable clothes if MSism.<br>
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Do you disagree that MSism as being practiced in its 'equal footing' model (1) gives veto power to big business and (2) such a thing is unattainable in democratic discourse and practice..<br>
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Now you may say that I am speaking about entirely imaginary models of MSism, and creatign strawmen of MSism...<br>
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Well, no..<br>
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On the BestBit list an elaborate model has been developed and presented, latest in response to the leaked NetMundial draft (did you also support this model?) which creates a multistakeholder screening mechanism for taking up any public policy issue.. Does this not give big business a veto on what matters can be taken for public policy treatment? Is this democratic?<br>
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Second, the NetMundial draft document seeks public policy making through consensus basis alone - which is an multistakeholder consensus on equal footing... It says that processes of governance have to be first be agreed by all stakeholders (keep reading business when I say stakeholders bec it is they for whom these models are fashioned)....<br>
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Now, is it democratic to give business (big business, no one asked my corner shop guy) such structural vetos over public policy making? What could be more democratic...<br>
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Since you said devil is in the details, lets talk about the detail and the devil... Lets talk specifics, and these above are the specifics of MSism...<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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I am one who does argues that Multistakeholderism is not just another<br>
decision making process.<br>
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I also do not claim in is the next big thing after democracy. I argue<br>
that it is a form of democracy. Multistakeholderism includes modalities<br>
of democratic organization as well as a variety of mechanisms. It is<br>
a form of participatory democracy that builds upon the varieties of<br>
representational democracy that one finds in some countries and the<br>
various forms of self-organization that people in society uses to<br>
organize itself on issues of importance and brings them in the greater<br>
democratic mix.<br>
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I do agree that there is not just one form of the multistakeholder<br>
model, but argue that there are attributes of Multistakeholderism as<br>
participatory democracy that are necessary.<br>
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I too have yet to finish my self-promised work on multistakeholderism.<br>
Though I have written on this a bit.<br>
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avri<br>
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