[bestbits] IGF plus

[parminder]

On Thursday 05 September 2013 07:59 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
> On 04/09/2013, at 9:51 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
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>> Yeah, i was told updating the web site was a priority when i asked about it over a year ago.  I think there is a secretariat that has this on its task list.
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>> I beleive it would be good for someone that understood what was going on, and perhaps was in the CSISAC leadership (I think we have one) would input into these discussions.
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> That someone might be me (I'm on the CSISAC steering committee), and yes, I am already firmly making the point that the OECD's Internet Policy Principles are not democratically legitimate, to the working group that is discussing their outreach.

Jeremy,

The structural facts about OECD's and its policy Internet making are

(1) Things like 'Internet Policy Making Principles" are developed, along 
with simultaneous suppression of similar possible activity at globally 
democratic forums, with the precise intention of their global 
application. Internet being largely a global thing, in default of any 
other set of principles, these OECD principles automatically become the 
global law. There is nothing you can do about it just through internal 
persuasion. This 'structural fact' has to be addressed from the outside. 
Unfortunately, civil society becomes complicit in this 'problem- by 
supporting OECD in developing these policy frameworks, and, even worse, 
also then supporting its member countries in suppressing development of 
similar frameworks or principles through very similar processes (only, 
inclusive of all countries).

(2) These Principles and other OECD outputs are already being pushed in 
bi lateral and pluri lateral forums - including the forthcoming Seoul 
Cyber conference, which will selectively include some developing 
countries as well. It would be used on the Trans Atlantic trade talks 
and possible in the Trans-Pacific Partnership and so on. There is 
nothing you can do to convince OECD not to push these principles, they 
being written with that intention.

(3) And of course, OECD cannot be made democratic. Making it globally 
democratic would mean including all countries - all at a time, or by 
rotation with fixed quota from regions - which will make it exactly the 
proposed UN CIRP that so many of you instinctively pull away from as 
something almost devious. (No, not you Jeremy, I know).

>   There are things that I'm not allowed to share from what goes on at the OECD (yay transparency), but let me know if you would like more information on the state of this.

But perhaps we are allowed to tell OECD that they should be at least be 
as transparent and stakeholder inclusive as they/ BB tells ITU and WSIS 
to be.
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> I'm also on the Consumer Policy Committee which is working on policy recommendations on digital content products, and mobile and online payments.  Also happy to link people in with that, if they are interested.

This is not about inputting into OECD's work. This is about engaging 
with and commenting on some very important structural facts and 
processes of global Internet policy making. The appropriate forum for 
doing so is a global civil society forum and not an advisory committee 
attached to the particular process, which could of course also make 
helpful noises.

parminder


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