[bestbits] IGF plus

[parminder]

On Tuesday 03 September 2013 10:16 PM, parminder wrote:
> Jeremy
>
> My impression was that just a draft of the programhas been put forward 
> and it has still to go through discussions and approval of the group 
> before finalisation.. Is my impression right?
>
> On the presumption that it is yet only a draft - I really  think we 
> should have at least a full half session on what really is 
> multistakeholderism. And that subject alone. I really am not sure what 
> most people here think it is . There is this silence zone around its 
> theory and practice. I have raised the question often. I think if 
> there is one difference that groups like IT for Change have with many 
> other groups in the IG space, it is about an understanding of MSism... 
> And while there can be real political differences, I dont see why we 
> should have such technical differences, just on the meaning and 
> understanding of terms. Lets try to thrash it out forever. And we can 
> start this discussion here itself, on this list. Importantly, I saw 
> strong support on this list for a specific discussion on what is 
> MSism. I think these views should be respected.
>
> I also want the session on ITU plus WSIS 10 to rather on Public policy 
> making on global IG.... The responses to questionaire issued by the WG 
> on enhanced cooperation by ISOC, ICC, and many developing countries

sorry, i meant developed countries

> cite OECD as one important place where global Internet policy making 
> takes place. At least now can we take it that indeed a lot of Internet 
> policy making takes place in OECD. (See the posting today on the IGC 
> list declaring a project implementing - globally - some parts of the 
> OECD Principles for Internet Policy Making). why do we only keep 
> asking questions of UN based Internet policy processes, and not from 
> places where some real policy making takes place.... We should discuss 
> OECD's *global* Internet policy making processes as well. And if we 
> want the IEG (Informal Experts Group) as the standard model by which 
> ITU whould do its Internet related polciy work, why do we hesitate to 
> tell OECD that it should use the same model, and none else.... What I 
> suggesting here is - Name this session - Where does global Internet 
> policy making take place, how, and what should CS do.
>
> Thirdly, despite repeated appeals, I dont know why are we not ready to 
> to name session three directly as NSA or Snowden issue (something 
> stated a little better). The world thinks that global IG has changed 
> forever because of what Snowden has told us about NSA.... That is not 
> just the regular surveillance issue, that we have been talking in all 
> IGFs and should keep doing. There is a clear Snowden impact on the 
> global Internet - a huge impact. And we need to specifically discuss 
> what this impact is, and how US has to be confronted in its (still 
> largely unapologetic) global surveillance. That is a specific issue. 
> And Again I saw great support for discussing this particular issue at 
> length, but in the current draft this issue seem to be hidden as about 
> one sixth of a session, that too without mentioning the main actors, 
> NSA, US gov and Snowden.
>
> thanks. parminder
>
>
> On Monday 02 September 2013 01:51 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
>> On 28/08/2013, at 3:17 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Fully support this. Lets give one full day to this...
>>
>> (Sorry for the delayed response, I've been travelling until my return 
>> to the office today.)  We don't have one full day available for this 
>> at the Best Bits meeting, unless we take out other things that people 
>> want to do, but I've added this as a sub-item to the draft agenda for 
>> Bali for the Day 1 morning, under the rather broad heading "Global 
>> Internet governance principles, enhanced cooperation and the IGF".
>>
>> Since you (and Valeria) are nominated as facilitators of that 
>> session, you can guide us in suggesting the appropriate emphasis 
>> between sub-topics for discussion.  Most surely, we could spend a 
>> full week rather than two days if we were to cover everything in the 
>> depth it deserves.
>>
>> I'll also follow up directly with the two of you (and the steering 
>> committee, and separately the other nominated facilitators) about 
>> this.  Meanwhile I'm working on getting the registration system 
>> going, and Access are working on crowd funding for those who need 
>> support to participate.
>>
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