DMP} Re: [Final draft for final comments] Letter to Pres. Rousseff Re: [bestbits] [governance] Dilma Rousseff's speech at UN

Norbert Bollow nb at bollow.ch
Thu Sep 26 10:22:33 EDT 2013 

Joana Varon <joana at varonferraz.com> wrote:

> Ok. so here is what we will do.
> 
> 1) Item 4 will be changed to:
> "Reinforce our support for an extension into broader spheres of
> Internet Governance of the experiences from the Brazilian
> multistakeholder model of Internet
> governance, led by CGI.br",
> 
> 2) Jeremy and I will send an email noting it to all the people who
> already endorsed, noting this change and giving them the posibility
> to withdraw their support (which I think will be unlikely). Well,
> thats not the ideal process to do that. But, we will be happy to have
> ICG, APC, etc  supporting the statement and more important, we got
> your points on the dangerous of the current version.
> 
> OK????

Sounds good to me, i.e. I'll be happy to both endorse this re-revised
version personally and post a 2nd formal consensus call on the IGC
list, with optimism that it'll go through.

By when do need the definitive decision of IGC? (Since short-notice
consensus calls are problematic, and they get more problematic the
shorter the notice gets, I'd like to give as much time as possible,
even if it means getting up in the middle of the night for finalization
of the process.)

Greetings,
Norbert
 
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> 
> >
> > +1 to Anja's point.
> >
> > with this change I will recommend that it be signed by IGC and
> > groups I am a member of,  and will sign it myself on the bestbits
> > site
> >
> > From Carolina
> > > Pls, Avri, refer to CA and my email
> >
> > But since
> >
> > > not that it will change at this point, but it would be good to be
> > > sure
> > we have your language
> >
> > Not sure why we are still trying.
> >
> > Without a statement supporting a well formed multistakeholder
> > model, I do not want to contribute to a statement that seems to me
> > to approve the way Governments currently work.
> >
> > re:
> >
> > > "Reinforce our support for an extension into broader spheres of
> > > Internet
> > Governance of the experiences from the Brazilian multistakeholder
> > model of Internet governance, led by CGI.br",
> >
> >
> > Prefer the previous 4.
> >
> > avri
> >
> >
> > On 26 Sep 2013, at 09:51, Anja Kovacs wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Not sure which version you mean, Norbert, but if it is the one in
> > > which
> > point 4 starts as follows:
> > >
> > > "Reinforce our support for an extension into broader spheres of
> > > Internet
> > Governance of the experiences from the Brazilian multistakeholder
> > model of Internet governance, led by CGI.br",
> > >
> > > My answer is yes, we would support that.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anja
> > >
> > >
> > > On 26 September 2013 19:15, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Yes, i would, I did,  accept that, as it balances support to the
> > > Marco
> > Civil with support for the multistakeholder governance.
> > >
> > > When 4 was dropped it put the emphasis on approving the process
> > > of the
> > past as opposed to suggesting a way to improve in the future.
> > >
> > > That works for me.
> > >
> > > avri
> > >
> > > On 26 Sep 2013, at 09:25, Norbert Bollow wrote:
> > >
> > > > [with IGC coordinator hat on]
> > > >
> > > > Suppose the drafters of the letter were willing to backtrack to
> > > > this version, would the IGC then be able to endorse the letter?
> > > >
> > > > Avri and Anja, do I understand correctly that your objections
> > > > would be moot in this case?
> > > >
> > > > Parminder, are you firmly objecting to this version of point 4,
> > > > or
> > would
> > > > the shortened version just have been strongly preferable from
> > > > your perspective?
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > > Norbert
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > >> Letter from International Civil Society Organizations to
> > > >> President Dilma Rousseff in support of her statement at the
> > > >> 68th Session of the UNGA
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Your Excellency,
> > > >>
> > > >> We, the undersigned organizations and individuals from around
> > > >> the world, committed to the development of the Internet and
> > > >> its use for advancing social and economic justice, would like
> > > >> to express our strong support for the statement delivered this
> > > >> week by your Excellency at the 68th Session of the United
> > > >> Nations General Assembly. We commend you for taking a leading
> > > >> role on these issues and would like to:
> > > >>
> > > >> 1. Fully endorse the five principles enunciated on the
> > > >> occasion, in clear accordance with the Brazilian Internet
> > > >> Steering Committee's Principles for the Governance and Use of
> > > >> the Internet.
> > > >>
> > > >> 2. Stress the importance of the timely adoption of the
> > > >> Brazilian Draft Bill of Internet Rights (Marco Civil da
> > > >> Internet) in a way that upholds these principles.
> > >
> > >
> > > >> 3. Commend the courage of Brazil in
> > > >> expressing disapproval and demanding explanations from the USA
> > > >> about the procedures of illegal interception of  information
> > > >> and data, framing it as a grave violation of human rights and
> > > >> of civil liberties
> > > >>
> > > >> 4. Reinforce our support for an extension into broader spheres
> > > >> of Internet Governance of the experiences from the Brazilian
> > > >> multistakeholder model of Internet governance, led by CGI.br,
> > > >> which comprises representatives from Government, Scientific
> > > >> and Technology Community, private sector and Civil Society on
> > > >> an equal footing.
> > > >>
> > > >> We express our deep appreciation for your serious commitment to
> > > >> social justice and development, of which an open, stable, and
> > > >> reliable Internet is a fundamental pillar.
> > > >>
> > > >> Signatories:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Diego Rafael Canabarro
> > > >> <diegocanabarro at gmail.com > wrote: Ian is helping Joanna and
> > > >> me in drafting this reduced optimal version. : ) On Wed, Sep
> > > >> 25, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
> > > >> <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Agree. Stick to the first paragraph and we are all set. --srs
> > > >> (htc one x) On 26 September 2013 6:14:04 AM "Louis Pouzin
> > > >> (well)" wrote: Agree with Ian. This parag is all that matters.
> > > >> Louis - - - On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Ian Peter
> > > >> <ian.peter at ianpeter.com > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Ive just looked again at this and it is getting longer and at
> > > >> the same time worse.   I think it needs a very substantial
> > > >> edit. Any more than two paragraphs and the chance of it being
> > > >> read is meagre.   To be honest, I think no more than this is
> > > >> necessary. – the first paragraph   We, the undersigned
> > > >> organizations and individuals from around the world, committed
> > > >> to the development of the Internet and its use for advancing
> > > >> social justice, would like to express our strong support for
> > > >> the statement delivered this week by your Excellency at the
> > > >> 68th Session of the United Nations General Assembly.
> > > >> (reference the speech if you wish for those who would like to
> > > >> read more, but dont repeat it, interpret it, and elaborate on
> > > >> it).   And specifically I dont think we need to talk post
> > > >> Snowden, and demand apologies from the USA. That ain’t going
> > > >> to happen.   Ian Peter
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