DMP} Re: [Final draft for final comments] Letter to Pres. Rousseff Re: [bestbits] [governance] Dilma Rousseff's speech at UN
Carolina Rossini
carolina.rossini at gmail.com
Thu Sep 26 10:21:57 EDT 2013
:-))))
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Anja Kovacs <anja at internetdemocracy.in>wrote:
> Sorry for all the extra work this will cause, but I for one would be very
> happy with this compromise.
>
> Many thanks to all of you who worked so hard on this letter and to help us
> find common ground until the very end.
>
> Best,
> Anja
>
>
> On 26 September 2013 19:38, Joana Varon <joana at varonferraz.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok. so here is what we will do.
>>
>> 1) Item 4 will be changed to:
>> "Reinforce our support for an extension into broader spheres of Internet
>> Governance of the experiences from the Brazilian multistakeholder model
>> of Internet governance, led by CGI.br",
>>
>> 2) Jeremy and I will send an email noting it to all the people who
>> already endorsed, noting this change and giving them the posibility to
>> withdraw their support (which I think will be unlikely). Well, thats not
>> the ideal process to do that. But, we will be happy to have ICG, APC, etc
>> supporting the statement and more important, we got your points on the
>> dangerous of the current version.
>>
>>
>> OK????
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> +1 to Anja's point.
>>>
>>> with this change I will recommend that it be signed by IGC and groups I
>>> am a member of, and will sign it myself on the bestbits site
>>>
>>> From Carolina
>>> > Pls, Avri, refer to CA and my email
>>>
>>> But since
>>>
>>> > not that it will change at this point, but it would be good to be sure
>>> we have your language
>>>
>>> Not sure why we are still trying.
>>>
>>> Without a statement supporting a well formed multistakeholder model, I
>>> do not want to contribute to a statement that seems to me to approve the
>>> way Governments currently work.
>>>
>>> re:
>>>
>>> > "Reinforce our support for an extension into broader spheres of
>>> Internet Governance of the experiences from the Brazilian multistakeholder
>>> model of Internet governance, led by CGI.br",
>>>
>>>
>>> Prefer the previous 4.
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26 Sep 2013, at 09:51, Anja Kovacs wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > Not sure which version you mean, Norbert, but if it is the one in
>>> which point 4 starts as follows:
>>> >
>>> > "Reinforce our support for an extension into broader spheres of
>>> Internet Governance of the experiences from the Brazilian multistakeholder
>>> model of Internet governance, led by CGI.br",
>>> >
>>> > My answer is yes, we would support that.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Anja
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 26 September 2013 19:15, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>> > Hi
>>> >
>>> > Yes, i would, I did, accept that, as it balances support to the Marco
>>> Civil with support for the multistakeholder governance.
>>> >
>>> > When 4 was dropped it put the emphasis on approving the process of the
>>> past as opposed to suggesting a way to improve in the future.
>>> >
>>> > That works for me.
>>> >
>>> > avri
>>> >
>>> > On 26 Sep 2013, at 09:25, Norbert Bollow wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > [with IGC coordinator hat on]
>>> > >
>>> > > Suppose the drafters of the letter were willing to backtrack to this
>>> > > version, would the IGC then be able to endorse the letter?
>>> > >
>>> > > Avri and Anja, do I understand correctly that your objections would
>>> > > be moot in this case?
>>> > >
>>> > > Parminder, are you firmly objecting to this version of point 4, or
>>> would
>>> > > the shortened version just have been strongly preferable from your
>>> > > perspective?
>>> > >
>>> > > Greetings,
>>> > > Norbert
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >> Letter from International Civil Society Organizations to President
>>> > >> Dilma Rousseff in support of her statement at the 68th Session of
>>> the
>>> > >> UNGA
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Your Excellency,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> We, the undersigned organizations and individuals from around the
>>> > >> world, committed to the development of the Internet and its use for
>>> > >> advancing social and economic justice, would like to express our
>>> > >> strong support for the statement delivered this week by your
>>> > >> Excellency at the 68th Session of the United Nations General
>>> > >> Assembly. We commend you for taking a leading role on these issues
>>> > >> and would like to:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> 1. Fully endorse the five principles enunciated on the occasion, in
>>> > >> clear accordance with the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee's
>>> > >> Principles for the Governance and Use of the Internet.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> 2. Stress the importance of the timely adoption of the Brazilian
>>> > >> Draft Bill of Internet Rights (Marco Civil da Internet) in a way
>>> that
>>> > >> upholds these principles.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >> 3. Commend the courage of Brazil in
>>> > >> expressing disapproval and demanding explanations from the USA about
>>> > >> the procedures of illegal interception of information and data,
>>> > >> framing it as a grave violation of human rights and of civil
>>> liberties
>>> > >>
>>> > >> 4. Reinforce our support for an extension into broader spheres of
>>> > >> Internet Governance of the experiences from the Brazilian
>>> > >> multistakeholder model of Internet governance, led by CGI.br, which
>>> > >> comprises representatives from Government, Scientific and Technology
>>> > >> Community, private sector and Civil Society on an equal footing.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> We express our deep appreciation for your serious commitment to
>>> > >> social justice and development, of which an open, stable, and
>>> > >> reliable Internet is a fundamental pillar.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Signatories:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Diego Rafael Canabarro
>>> > >> <diegocanabarro at gmail.com > wrote: Ian is helping Joanna and me in
>>> > >> drafting this reduced optimal version. : ) On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at
>>> > >> 10:33 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Agree. Stick to the first paragraph and we are all set. --srs (htc
>>> > >> one x) On 26 September 2013 6:14:04 AM "Louis Pouzin (well)" wrote:
>>> > >> Agree with Ian. This parag is all that matters. Louis - - - On Thu,
>>> > >> Sep 26, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com > wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Ive just looked again at this and it is getting longer and at the
>>> > >> same time worse. I think it needs a very substantial edit. Any
>>> more
>>> > >> than two paragraphs and the chance of it being read is meagre. To
>>> > >> be honest, I think no more than this is necessary. – the first
>>> > >> paragraph We, the undersigned organizations and individuals from
>>> > >> around the world, committed to the development of the Internet and
>>> > >> its use for advancing social justice, would like to express our
>>> > >> strong support for the statement delivered this week by your
>>> > >> Excellency at the 68th Session of the United Nations General
>>> > >> Assembly. (reference the speech if you wish for those who would
>>> > >> like to read more, but dont repeat it, interpret it, and elaborate
>>> on
>>> > >> it). And specifically I dont think we need to talk post Snowden,
>>> > >> and demand apologies from the USA. That ain’t going to happen. Ian
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>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>>
>> Joana Varon Ferraz
>> @joana_varon
>> PGP 0x016B8E73
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Anja Kovacs
> The Internet Democracy Project
>
> +91 9899028053 | @anjakovacs
> www.internetdemocracy.in
>
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Open Technology Institute
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