[First draft] Letter to Pres. Rousseff Re: [bestbits] [governance] Dilma Rousseff's speech at UN

Wed Sep 25 20:03:13 EDT 2013

Ive just looked again at this and it is getting longer and at the same time worse.

I think it needs a very substantial edit. Any more than two paragraphs and the chance of it being read is meagre.

To be honest, I think no more than this is necessary. – the first paragraph

We, the undersigned organizations and individuals from around the world, committed to the development of the Internet and its use for advancing social justice, would like to express our strong support for the statement delivered this week by your Excellency at the 68th Session of the United Nations General Assembly. 

(reference the speech if you wish for those who would like to read more, but dont repeat it, interpret it, and elaborate on it).

And specifically I dont think we need to talk post Snowden, and demand apologies from the USA. That ain’t going to happen.

Ian Peter

From: Joana Varon 
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 9:40 AM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Avri Doria ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net 
Subject: [First draft] Letter to Pres. Rousseff Re: [bestbits] [governance] Dilma Rousseff's speech at UN

Dear Avri et all, 

By now the letter looks like this:

https://pad.riseup.net/p/IGC-Supports-Brazil

Please, bring your inputs to make it sound more international.

We haven't set a time frame to close the drafting and start to collect endorsements, but there is this opportunity that Carlos Afonso has mentioned to deliver it in person (Carlos,please, allow me to quote you again within these two lists):

"It would be *extremely important* to have it ready by tomorrow late night (it can be very late in the night -- I am not really sleeping these days) Brazilian time so I can print it and try and deliver it to the Presidenta's hands (or her closest advisors)." (wrote 7 hours ago).

Depending on what you think about this current draft, it might be feasible to have endorsements by tomorrow night. 

Let's try to close the drafting process tomorrow at 09:00am (Brazilian time) and have the whole afternoon to collect signatures within Europe/Asia/Africa and the day to do so within the Americas? 

Sorry for the rush. I'm just trying to follow all the suggestions received in different threads as coherently as possible. 

best

joana

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

  Hi,

  While I cannot accept any plan that is dominated by States and their multilateral closed club, I don't think that the letter necessarily must be read that way.

  She does say:

  > 2 - Open, multilateral and democratic governance, carried out with transparency by stimulating

  > collective creativity and the participation of society, Governments and the private sector.

  And while this is not quite yet an endorsement of the fully participatory democracy I hope MSism leads to, it does seem to aim that way.

  Yes, is it still top down, as the governments will be stimulating the people as opposed to the people simulating the government, but there are other sentiments that do warrant support.

  As long as civil society does not bind itself to government leadership by buying into a multilateral vision, I suppose it is possible to come up with something that could get some sort of support.

  But in one day as Carlos asks?

  avri

  On 25 Sep 2013, at 13:04, McTim wrote:

  > <cc list trimmed>
  >
  > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:45 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
  >> The Brazil statement is I think, an excellent including the references in
  >> the context of governance to MLism rather than to MSism given the ambiguity
  >> and bad faith which can be ascribed to many of the particular uses (and
  >> users) of the latter terminology/methodology.
  >>
  >> The multilateral system has earned its spurs if nothing else through the
  >> UNDHR and the work of such agencies as the WHO and UNICEF and in their times
  >> the UNDP and UNESCO.
  >>
  >> The quite evidently subverted MSism of the Internet may by my reckoning at
  >> this moment be something of a poisoned challice (if nothing else through the
  >> potentially questionable motives (and ideologies) of its most ardent
  >> governmental and other backers) and we await its redemption through the
  >> (possible) mounting of a suitable response post-Snowden.
  >
  > MSism needs no "redemption".  Just because one supporter of it got
  > caught doing dodgy things does not somehow tar the entire structure of
  > Internet policy making that has been built over decades.
  >
  > I for one would object quite strongly to the Caucus supporting MLism
  > over MSism.  I think it was a fine speech but if we are going to write
  > a letter of support, we should note that we have always supported
  > MSism.
  >
  > If you want a global treaty to stop governments from spying on
  > everything we do online, I think it foolish to leave it in the hands
  > of governments only!
  >
  > --
  > Cheers,
  >
  > McTim
  > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
  > route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
  >

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