[bestbits] Outcome of cyberspace conference in Seoul

[Carlos A. Afonso]

Yes, right, recently added -- but 60% of its population is affected by
poverty, as a study by a Chilean researcher shows (despite its
relatively high so-called HDI). A situation similar to Mexico. So, in
summa, being in OECD does not mean sitting in a higher development layer.

--c.a.

On 10/09/2013 11:00 AM, parminder wrote:
>  
> Chile too now is an OECD member.....
> 
> On the larger issue, I am rather surprised and disappointed at the
> robust support from developing country people of the OECD 'global'
> Internet policy making model - both the process and substance of which
> being hugely problematic.... I dont have the time right now to engage
> into a discussion, but could not resist expressing my strong feeling in
> general about the issue...
> 
> Democracy is in itself important, it is not a
> if-we-disregard-the-process-issue thing..... And BTW, when it comes to
> multistakeholderism, the same
> lets-for-the-moment-disregard-the-process-issue proposition never seems
> not to apply. Is multistakeholderism then a higher value than democracy?
> 
> OECD is a centre price of 'global' Internet policy making today, which
> is then exported through one to one or plurilateral deals to developing
> countries... It is  a fact that many developing countries fall prey to
> this unprincipled approach on narrow short term self interest
> consideration.... And playing developing countires against one another
> through such short term deals is  a major US/ OECD method of spreading
> their regime globally. This is a major axis of global digital
> domination.. Civil society interested in democratic values should simply
> and roundly criticise such models of global policy making. That is the
> only basic attitude that can be taken towards them.
> 
> The developing countries who have signed some of the mentioned OECD
> documents, are never a part of the core discussions, agenda framing and
> final formulation -- and so to pass off their sign on as a measure of
> they being a part of the process is a very undemocratic take..... Rest
> later.... parmidner
> 
> 
> On Wednesday 09 October 2013 07:14 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
>> To add some more "spice": both Chile and Mexico are still developing
>> countries (may be listed as "emerging countries" in some circles), and
>> while Chile is not in the OECD, Mexico is.
>>
>> --c.a.
>>
>> On 10/08/2013 11:47 AM, michael gurstein wrote:
>>> Pranesh,
>>>
>>> You are providing a very peculiar list of "developing" countries--"Chile,
>>> Egypt, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Latvia, Mexico, Poland, Senegal, Turkey".
>>>
>>> Of which three belong to the EU (Hungary, Latvia, Poland), one is a very
>>> strong aspirant to the EU (Turkey), and two others are very strong aspirants
>>> (based on income) to the OECD (Chile and Mexico)...
>>>
>>> By my, and I believe most reckonings there are 3 actual DC's in your list
>>> (from some 130?? or so)--India, Indonesia, and Senegal--hardly a sufficient
>>> number to be drawing any useful conclusions from.
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>> [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] On Behalf Of Pranesh Prakash
>>> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 10:04 PM
>>> To: Jeremy Malcolm; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Outcome of cyberspace conference in Seoul
>>>
>>> A top note that the OECD principles are actually
>>> OECD+Egypt+Business+Tech principles, which CISAC helped shape but didn't
>>> sign on to.  Rest inline:
>>>
>>> Jeremy Malcolm [2013-10-08 00:04]:
>>>> On 08/10/13 09:21, Pranesh Prakash wrote:
>>>>> Focussing on the policymaking principles outlined in the OECD communiqu:
>>>>> apart from process related issues of lack of representation of 
>>>>> developing world governments, in terms of substance how would a 
>>>>> statement of principles that had developing world participation look 
>>>>> different?
>>>> There is only one way to find out, and that is to deal with the 
>>>> process related issues.  But for a rough idea, we can look at the 
>>>> Brazilian Principles for the Governance and Use of the Internet.  
>>>> Notable additions compared to the OECD principles:
>>>>
>>>>   * *Universality:* Internet access must be universal so that it becomes
>>>>     a tool for human and social development, thereby contributing to the
>>>>     formation of an inclusive and nondiscriminatory society, for the
>>>>     benefit of all
>>>>   * *Standardization and interoperability:* The Internet must be based
>>>>     on open standards that facilitate interoperability and enable all to
>>>>     participate in its development
>>> On standards, the OECD principles (under "Promote the open, distributed and
>>> interconnected nature of the Internet") states:
>>>
>>> "The Internet's openness also stems from globally accepted, consensus driven
>>> technical standards that support global product markets and communications.
>>> The roles, openness, and competencies of the global multi-stakeholder
>>> institutions that govern standards for different layers of Internet
>>> components should be recognised and their contribution should be sought on
>>> the different technical elements of public policy objectives."
>>>
>>>>   * *Neutrality of the network:* Filtering or traffic privileges must
>>>>     meet ethical and technical criteria only, excluding any political,
>>>>     commercial, religious and cultural factors or any other form of
>>>>     discrimination or preferential treatment
>>> "Maintaining technology neutrality and appropriate quality for all Internet
>>> services is also important to ensure an open and dynamic Internet
>>> environment. Provision of open Internet access services is critical for the
>>> Internet economy."
>>>
>>>> and notable omissions:
>>>>
>>>>   * Promote investment and competition in high speed networks and
>>> services;
>>>>   * Promote and enable the cross-border delivery of services;
>>>>   * Foster voluntarily developed codes of conduct;
>>>>   * Maximise individual empowerment;
>>>>   * Give appropriate priority to enforcement efforts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> More could be written about this, but there is a very different 
>>>> emphasis with the OECD principles much more individualistic and biased 
>>>> towards trade, than the Brazilian principles.
>>> OECD is primarily about economic/trade issues (though not solely about such
>>> issues), so that bias is perhaps to be expected.  In the 2008 Seoul
>>> Declaration for the Future of the Internet Economy, there were 10 developing
>>> countries (Chile, Egypt, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Latvia, Mexico, Poland,
>>> Senegal, Turkey) represented in the 39 individual countries that signed the
>>> declaration. Sure, the developing countries were outnumbered 3:1, but they
>>> still agreed to:
>>>
>>> * Ensure respect for intellectual property rights.
>>> * Create a market-friendly environment for convergence that encourages
>>> infrastructure investment, higher levels of connectivity and innovative
>>> services and applications.
>>> * Promote Internet-based innovation, competition, and user choice.
>>> * Acting as a key driver for the creation of enterprises and communities and
>>> stimulating closer global co-operation.
>>> * Promote the secure and responsible use of the Internet that respects
>>> international social and ethical norms and that increases transparency and
>>> accountability.
>>> * Establish a regulatory environment that assures a level playing field for
>>> competition.
>>> * Stimulate investment and competition in the development of high capacity
>>> information and communication infrastructures and the delivery of
>>> Internet-enabled services within and across borders.
>>> * Maintain an open environment that supports the free flow of information,
>>> research, innovation, entrepreneurship and business transformation.
>>> * Combine efforts to combat digital piracy with innovative approaches which
>>> provide creators and rights holders with incentives to create and
>>> disseminate works in a manner that is beneficial to creators, users and our
>>> economies as a whole.
>>> * Increase cross-border co-operation of governments and enforcement
>>> authorities in the areas of improving cyber-security, combating spam, as
>>> well as protecting privacy, consumers and minors.
>>> * Empowering consumers and users in online transactions and exchanges.
>>>
>>> Most (all?) of the things that you'd think developing countries would omit
>>> were accepted by 10 of them.  Just sayin'.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Pranesh
>>>
>>> --
>>> Pranesh Prakash
>>> Policy Director
>>> Centre for Internet and Society
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