process Re: [bestbits] [Meeting Report]: friday meeting with fadi et all

Jeanette Hofmann jeanette at wzb.eu
Wed Oct 30 15:08:01 EDT 2013


I am skeptical about the feasibility of such an approach. There are so 
many people with various hats on; and, as Adam pointed out, secret 
strategies won't be secret for a long time.
jeanette

Am 30.10.2013 20:01, schrieb Carolina Rossini:
> This is the main point that we should all agree on - and it was agreed
> on during the Best Bits meeting:
>
> "3) At the bestbits meeting, pre-IGF, there was broad support to have a
> more limited list, without private sector and government, for the
> purpose of developing strategies."
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp
> <mailto:ajp at glocom.ac.jp>> wrote:
>
>     Thanks Joana,
>
>     Perhaps it will be more difficult to strategize on an open list, or
>     it might feel more difficult.  Reality is everything any reasonably
>     large group discusses will leak.  Likely the only people excluded
>     from the conversation will be other civil society, and at a time
>     when this very small collection of CS should be looking to outreach.
>
>     We survived WSIS and a few years of IGF with open lists
>
>     I couldn't attend bestbits, no idea what was discussed there.
>
>      > "filter coordination of civil society through steering committees"
>
>     Apologies, this must seem like unfair criticism.  I do not know how
>     bestbits works, just read your comment about debates with bestbits
>     steering committee and about trying to decide how to report.
>     Frustrating not to be able to attend any of the Bali civil society
>     meetings, been hoping for reports since and there's been nothing,
>     until you wrote, from any of any (I've seen.)
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Adam
>
>
>
>     On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:20 PM, Joana Varon wrote:
>
>      > Hi Adam,
>      >
>      > Just a note to clarify: the goal for having a list closed just to
>     civil society in its wider definition is not to "filter coordination
>     of civil society through steering committees", quite the contrary:
>     it is to be able to strategize in a more organized strategic manner
>     among the general community.
>      >
>      > I believe that this particular issue has positively address
>     during the bestbits meeting, where there was some general agreement
>     that we could use a closed list for sensitive issues. But if anyone
>     feels it is ok to strategize about how to engage in a
>     coalition/dialogue with technical and business community having
>     companies on the thread or to strategize how to engage with the
>     brazilian government for the summit having other governments on the
>     list. Please, do not hesitate to raise your point.
>      >
>      > best
>      >
>      > joana
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp
>     <mailto:ajp at glocom.ac.jp>> wrote:
>      > Hi Joana,
>      >
>      > Thanks for the notes.  I was in Bali but not able to attend any
>     of the meetings discussing the Brazil/ICANN summit plans.  And have
>     been quite surprised at the silence about these meetings so a report
>     on this one session is great to see.
>      >
>      > So a general request: could we please improve communication.
>     Mainly I mean reporting from meetings such as those held in Bali: if
>     people are attending as civil society, speaking in some way for
>     civil society, then please at least report back to the rest.
>      >
>      > On the issues of closed lists, etc.  Civil society coordination
>     shouldn't be filtering through steering committees and others, we
>     got through WSIS without an executive, the IGF came from civil
>     society through our open processes.  This summit and whatever
>     follows shouldn't be more different.  Please do not take this as
>     lack of gratitude for the information received, meetings organized
>     and held, etc, etc.
>      >
>      > Second note more on substance later.
>      >
>      > Thanks,
>      >
>      > Adam
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > On Oct 29, 2013, at 8:14 PM, Joana Varon wrote:
>      >
>      > > Dear people,
>      > >
>      > > Please, find attached the report that Laura and I have prepared
>     about the meeting of the “coalition/dialogue” (it doesnt has a name
>     yet) that happened last friday, as a result of the meeting with
>     civil society and Fadi on Thursday. Dear Carlos, please, feel free
>     to add any further consideration.
>      > > Sorry for being late with this, but since Bestbits server was
>     down, in debates with BestBits steering committee and others
>     colleagues, we have been trying to sort out what is the best way to
>     report about that meeting and the one with the Brazilian delegation.
>      > > As there is some time sensitiveness, the report of the meeting
>     with Fadi et all will be posted here, but this is what we found more
>     suitable and will be important for the next reports and steps:
>      > >
>      > >       • We need to come to an arrangement that strikes the
>     right balance between being inclusive and strategic as civil
>     society, for example reporting back on the main list, but
>     strategizing on closed lists or offlist. Draft working procedures on
>     the wiki reflect your concerns relatively well. But will attempt to
>     integrate specific comments on those procedures once the server is
>     back up.
>      > > My view, and this is my personal view trying to address the
>     concerns raised during BB meeting, is that the closed list for civil
>     society will use the widest concept of civil society, or a
>     definition by exclusion, meaning that all the people in bestbits
>     list that are not strictly government or private sector will be
>     included. Problems that might come out will be addressed as they
>     show up, taking into account the goals of besbits. I do think it
>     will be the only way forward to coordinate all the work we will have
>     in the next months in a strategic manner concerning both the
>     Brazilian Summit and our engagement with the coalition/dialogue. If
>     any one have a major opposition to it, please, let us know.
>      > >
>      > > Otherwise, let's start debating the engagement with this
>     coalition/dialogue in a closed list?
>      > > All the best,
>      > > Joana
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > --
>      > >
>      > > Joana Varon Ferraz
>      > > @joana_varon
>      > > PGP 0x016B8E73
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
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