process Re: [bestbits] [Meeting Report]: friday meeting with fadi et all
Jeanette Hofmann
jeanette at wzb.eu
Wed Oct 30 15:08:01 EDT 2013
I am skeptical about the feasibility of such an approach. There are so
many people with various hats on; and, as Adam pointed out, secret
strategies won't be secret for a long time.
jeanette
Am 30.10.2013 20:01, schrieb Carolina Rossini:
> This is the main point that we should all agree on - and it was agreed
> on during the Best Bits meeting:
>
> "3) At the bestbits meeting, pre-IGF, there was broad support to have a
> more limited list, without private sector and government, for the
> purpose of developing strategies."
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp
> <mailto:ajp at glocom.ac.jp>> wrote:
>
> Thanks Joana,
>
> Perhaps it will be more difficult to strategize on an open list, or
> it might feel more difficult. Reality is everything any reasonably
> large group discusses will leak. Likely the only people excluded
> from the conversation will be other civil society, and at a time
> when this very small collection of CS should be looking to outreach.
>
> We survived WSIS and a few years of IGF with open lists
>
> I couldn't attend bestbits, no idea what was discussed there.
>
> > "filter coordination of civil society through steering committees"
>
> Apologies, this must seem like unfair criticism. I do not know how
> bestbits works, just read your comment about debates with bestbits
> steering committee and about trying to decide how to report.
> Frustrating not to be able to attend any of the Bali civil society
> meetings, been hoping for reports since and there's been nothing,
> until you wrote, from any of any (I've seen.)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:20 PM, Joana Varon wrote:
>
> > Hi Adam,
> >
> > Just a note to clarify: the goal for having a list closed just to
> civil society in its wider definition is not to "filter coordination
> of civil society through steering committees", quite the contrary:
> it is to be able to strategize in a more organized strategic manner
> among the general community.
> >
> > I believe that this particular issue has positively address
> during the bestbits meeting, where there was some general agreement
> that we could use a closed list for sensitive issues. But if anyone
> feels it is ok to strategize about how to engage in a
> coalition/dialogue with technical and business community having
> companies on the thread or to strategize how to engage with the
> brazilian government for the summit having other governments on the
> list. Please, do not hesitate to raise your point.
> >
> > best
> >
> > joana
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp
> <mailto:ajp at glocom.ac.jp>> wrote:
> > Hi Joana,
> >
> > Thanks for the notes. I was in Bali but not able to attend any
> of the meetings discussing the Brazil/ICANN summit plans. And have
> been quite surprised at the silence about these meetings so a report
> on this one session is great to see.
> >
> > So a general request: could we please improve communication.
> Mainly I mean reporting from meetings such as those held in Bali: if
> people are attending as civil society, speaking in some way for
> civil society, then please at least report back to the rest.
> >
> > On the issues of closed lists, etc. Civil society coordination
> shouldn't be filtering through steering committees and others, we
> got through WSIS without an executive, the IGF came from civil
> society through our open processes. This summit and whatever
> follows shouldn't be more different. Please do not take this as
> lack of gratitude for the information received, meetings organized
> and held, etc, etc.
> >
> > Second note more on substance later.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 29, 2013, at 8:14 PM, Joana Varon wrote:
> >
> > > Dear people,
> > >
> > > Please, find attached the report that Laura and I have prepared
> about the meeting of the “coalition/dialogue” (it doesnt has a name
> yet) that happened last friday, as a result of the meeting with
> civil society and Fadi on Thursday. Dear Carlos, please, feel free
> to add any further consideration.
> > > Sorry for being late with this, but since Bestbits server was
> down, in debates with BestBits steering committee and others
> colleagues, we have been trying to sort out what is the best way to
> report about that meeting and the one with the Brazilian delegation.
> > > As there is some time sensitiveness, the report of the meeting
> with Fadi et all will be posted here, but this is what we found more
> suitable and will be important for the next reports and steps:
> > >
> > > • We need to come to an arrangement that strikes the
> right balance between being inclusive and strategic as civil
> society, for example reporting back on the main list, but
> strategizing on closed lists or offlist. Draft working procedures on
> the wiki reflect your concerns relatively well. But will attempt to
> integrate specific comments on those procedures once the server is
> back up.
> > > My view, and this is my personal view trying to address the
> concerns raised during BB meeting, is that the closed list for civil
> society will use the widest concept of civil society, or a
> definition by exclusion, meaning that all the people in bestbits
> list that are not strictly government or private sector will be
> included. Problems that might come out will be addressed as they
> show up, taking into account the goals of besbits. I do think it
> will be the only way forward to coordinate all the work we will have
> in the next months in a strategic manner concerning both the
> Brazilian Summit and our engagement with the coalition/dialogue. If
> any one have a major opposition to it, please, let us know.
> > >
> > > Otherwise, let's start debating the engagement with this
> coalition/dialogue in a closed list?
> > > All the best,
> > > Joana
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Joana Varon Ferraz
> > > @joana_varon
> > > PGP 0x016B8E73
> > >
> > >
> > >
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