[bestbits] Re: [governance] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014

Thu Oct 10 13:00:28 EDT 2013

I am happy to contribute to text if someone else starts the very rough
first draft.

Anja

On 10 October 2013 22:28, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:

> Good, I wonder if Graciela would be able/willing to do this?
>
> Param, could you ask her do you think?
>
> M
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norbert Bollow [mailto:nb at bollow.ch]
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:50 AM
> To: Anja Kovacs
> Cc: michael gurstein; &lt,bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt,
> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will
> host world event on Internet governance in 2014
>
> In order to optimally influence the process, we should have the letter
> ready
> early enough to already influence the meeting in which the members of the
> Brazilian government delegation to the IGF are given their instructions by
> their superiors. So that the letter will have the greatest possible impact
> already on the discussions that will certainly take place alongside the
> IGC.
>
> I think that we should go ahead at full steam with this.
>
> Since Anja is unavailable to participate in this drafting work, I'd offer
> myself to participate in this.
>
> Still if possible it would be good to have in addition someone with a
> developing country perspective already involved in the development of the
> initial draft. Perhaps ideally someone from Brazil. I'll post on the IGC
> list asking for a volunteer.
>
> Greetings,
> Norbert
>
>
> Am Thu, 10 Oct 2013 21:49:31 +0530
> schrieb Anja Kovacs <anja at internetdemocracy.in>:
>
> > I unfortunately won't be able to work on this over the next few days,
> > but would be very happy to do so if people agree it can wait until
> > Bali. As I explained earlier, I in any case think that is a good idea,
> > as I believe that the letter really should include a CS agenda (or at
> > least an outline of such an agenda as well), and Bali will give us an
> > opportunity to really work on that. As Parminder also noted, the point
> > is to influence the process now that there still seems a chance of
> > doing so, not just to support it.
> >
> > If others feel, however, that a letter should go out immediately and
> > would like to work on it, I would be very happy for them to go ahead.
> >
> > Thanks and best,
> > Anja
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10 October 2013 21:23, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not a great drafter of letters but I could work with someone
> > > (Anja?) to try to get a draft out in the next few days.****
> > >
> > > ** **
> > >
> > > N****
> > >
> > > ** **
> > >
> > > *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:
> > > bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *parminder
> > > *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:42 AM
> > >
> > > *To:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> > > *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Rousseff & Chehade:
> > > Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014****
> > >
> > > ** **
> > >
> > > I agree about sending a letter of support. .
> > > Especially since it could possibly push things along, in more
> > > positive directions.
> > >
> > > And since it is yet almost an unborn initiative, we could put in the
> > > stake  early.... Who knows in exchange for the legitimacy gained
> > > through civil society participation someone may even give us some
> > > elevated seats at the table... Brazil has often jumped to such
> > > partnership opportunity with civil society in other areas, and
> > > offered genuine partnerships.
> > >
> > > So, lets do it. Write to Brazil welcoming the initiative,  and so
> > > on.
> > >
> > > parminder****
> > >
> > > On Thursday 10 October 2013 08:36 PM, michael gurstein wrote:****
> > >
> > > I disagree and agree with Anja that a letter of support would be
> > > desireable.  I would be very surprised if our earlier letter of
> > > support for Dilma's speech at the UN was not communicated to her,
> > > perhaps even directly through one or another of our Brazilian
> > > colleagues or through those on her staff who are monitoring these
> > > activities; and who knows, perhaps even contributed to strengthening
> > > her (and Fadi's) resolve to take such a courageous and even
> > > audacious step.****
> > >
> > >  ****
> > >
> > > A letter of support could only reinforce her/their intentions in
> > > this matter and indicate that we (whoever exactly "we" are) as a CS
> > > group are in support of this development, intend to provide on-going
> > > support as it develops and further intend to actively contribute to
> > > its success through ensuring that the public interest of all,
> > > globally, are reflected in the Internet governance structure which
> > > hopefully will emerge.****
> > >
> > >  ****
> > >
> > > M ****
> > >
> > >  ****
> > >
> > > *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [
> > > mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net<bestbits-request at lists.be
> > > stbits.net>]
> > > *On Behalf Of *matthew shears
> > > *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:28 AM
> > > *To:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> > > *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Rousseff & Chehade:
> > > Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014****
> > >
> > >  ****
> > >
> > > I agree that we need to approach this with some caution.  That said,
> > > we should start working on a CS agenda for this summit - its good
> > > for CS to communicate its expectations of such events early and we
> > > should start this process in Bali.  Less convinced about the need
> > > (or desirability) of writing letters of appreciation to all and
> > > sundry - we can always note our appreciation in the agenda we work
> > > up. ****
> > >
> > > On 10/10/2013 06:47, Anja Kovacs wrote:****
> > >
> > > I share Rafik's caution to some extent, but it is difficult not to
> > > be enthused by this proposal. As Mike points out, it is a tremendous
> > > opportunity for all of us to engage in this debate. Why don't we
> > > start working on another letter to Rousseff, in which we support the
> > > idea but also start outlining a CS agenda for the summit? What would
> > > we like to see such a summit achieving? Maybe we can use our
> > > discussions in Bali as a basis from which to start drafting such an
> > > agenda.****
> > >
> > > And maybe time for a word of appreciation to Chehade as well, at
> > > least from those of us who believe that the internationalisation of
> > > ICANN would be a good thing :)****
> > >
> > > What do others think?****
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Anja****
> > >
> > > On Oct 10, 2013 7:57 AM, "Jeremy Malcolm" <jeremy at ciroap.org>
> > > wrote:****
> > >
> > > On 10/10/13 06:33, John Curran wrote:****
> > >
> > > On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> <avri at acm.org>
> > > wrote:****
> > >
> > > Do I understand correctly: according to this the President of ICANN
> > > has just agreed with the need for external oversight of ICANN, and
> > > unnamed other organizations, involved in governance/management of
> > > the Internet, just as long as it is multistakeholder?****
> > >
> > > It appears to be a significant effort to address Internet Governance
> > > ****
> > >
> > > challenges, including acceleration of the globalization of ICANN
> > > towards ****
> > >
> > > an environment in which all stakeholders (including all
> > > governments) can ****
> > >
> > > participate on an equal footing...****
> > >
> > >
> > > It puts civil society to shame in how timid we, at large, have been
> > > in proposing similar advances on the status quo.  (I have not made
> > > much of a secret of the fact that I was disappointed in the number
> > > of endorsements that the Best Bits statement on enhanced cooperation
> > > ( http://bestbits.net/ec) received, though in part I accept that
> > > this was because the statement was simply too long.)
> > >
> > > This has also, in one stroke, determined the IGF's future.  Of
> > > course the writing has been on the wall for the IGF for a while now,
> > > but it has now officially become irrelevant in terms of its larger
> > > role in multi-stakeholder Internet governance as originally
> > > anticipated in the Tunis Agenda.  Of course it will continue to have
> > > a role as a discussion forum, but the momentum for it to fulfil a
> > > larger role has moved elsewhere.
> > >
> > > It also neutralises the effect of the old guard of the technical
> > > community (ISOC mainly) at the Working Group on Enhanced
> > > Cooperation.  Whilst they can still oppose meaningful implementation
> > > of enhanced cooperation reforms, this opposition is now utterly
> > > token and ineffectual.  With Brazil (and ICANN!) having lost
> > > patience and forging ahead regardless, this leaves anyone arguing
> > > against reforms at the WGEC looking silly and irrelevant. *
> > > ***
> > >
> > > -- ****
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> > >
> > > Matthew Shears****
> > >
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> > >
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Dr. Anja Kovacs
The Internet Democracy Project

+91 9899028053 | @anjakovacs
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