<div dir="ltr"><div>I am happy to contribute to text if someone else starts the very rough first draft.<br><br></div>Anja<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 October 2013 22:28, michael gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Good, I wonder if Graciela would be able/willing to do this?<br>
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Param, could you ask her do you think?<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Norbert Bollow [mailto:<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>]<br>
</div><div class="im HOEnZb">Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:50 AM<br>
To: Anja Kovacs<br>
Cc: michael gurstein; <,<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>>,<br>
</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">Subject: Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will<br>
host world event on Internet governance in 2014<br>
<br>
In order to optimally influence the process, we should have the letter ready<br>
early enough to already influence the meeting in which the members of the<br>
Brazilian government delegation to the IGF are given their instructions by<br>
their superiors. So that the letter will have the greatest possible impact<br>
already on the discussions that will certainly take place alongside the IGC.<br>
<br>
I think that we should go ahead at full steam with this.<br>
<br>
Since Anja is unavailable to participate in this drafting work, I'd offer<br>
myself to participate in this.<br>
<br>
Still if possible it would be good to have in addition someone with a<br>
developing country perspective already involved in the development of the<br>
initial draft. Perhaps ideally someone from Brazil. I'll post on the IGC<br>
list asking for a volunteer.<br>
<br>
Greetings,<br>
Norbert<br>
<br>
<br>
Am Thu, 10 Oct 2013 21:49:31 +0530<br>
schrieb Anja Kovacs <<a href="mailto:anja@internetdemocracy.in">anja@internetdemocracy.in</a>>:<br>
<br>
> I unfortunately won't be able to work on this over the next few days,<br>
> but would be very happy to do so if people agree it can wait until<br>
> Bali. As I explained earlier, I in any case think that is a good idea,<br>
> as I believe that the letter really should include a CS agenda (or at<br>
> least an outline of such an agenda as well), and Bali will give us an<br>
> opportunity to really work on that. As Parminder also noted, the point<br>
> is to influence the process now that there still seems a chance of<br>
> doing so, not just to support it.<br>
><br>
> If others feel, however, that a letter should go out immediately and<br>
> would like to work on it, I would be very happy for them to go ahead.<br>
><br>
> Thanks and best,<br>
> Anja<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 10 October 2013 21:23, michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > I'm not a great drafter of letters but I could work with someone<br>
> > (Anja?) to try to get a draft out in the next few days.****<br>
> ><br>
> > ** **<br>
> ><br>
> > N****<br>
> ><br>
> > ** **<br>
> ><br>
> > *From:* <a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a> [mailto:<br>
> > <a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] *On Behalf Of *parminder<br>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:42 AM<br>
> ><br>
> > *To:* <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><br>
> > *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Rousseff & Chehade:<br>
> > Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014****<br>
> ><br>
> > ** **<br>
> ><br>
> > I agree about sending a letter of support. .<br>
> > Especially since it could possibly push things along, in more<br>
> > positive directions.<br>
> ><br>
> > And since it is yet almost an unborn initiative, we could put in the<br>
> > stake early.... Who knows in exchange for the legitimacy gained<br>
> > through civil society participation someone may even give us some<br>
> > elevated seats at the table... Brazil has often jumped to such<br>
> > partnership opportunity with civil society in other areas, and<br>
> > offered genuine partnerships.<br>
> ><br>
> > So, lets do it. Write to Brazil welcoming the initiative, and so<br>
> > on.<br>
> ><br>
> > parminder****<br>
> ><br>
> > On Thursday 10 October 2013 08:36 PM, michael gurstein wrote:****<br>
> ><br>
> > I disagree and agree with Anja that a letter of support would be<br>
> > desireable. I would be very surprised if our earlier letter of<br>
> > support for Dilma's speech at the UN was not communicated to her,<br>
> > perhaps even directly through one or another of our Brazilian<br>
> > colleagues or through those on her staff who are monitoring these<br>
> > activities; and who knows, perhaps even contributed to strengthening<br>
> > her (and Fadi's) resolve to take such a courageous and even<br>
> > audacious step.****<br>
> ><br>
> > ****<br>
> ><br>
> > A letter of support could only reinforce her/their intentions in<br>
> > this matter and indicate that we (whoever exactly "we" are) as a CS<br>
> > group are in support of this development, intend to provide on-going<br>
> > support as it develops and further intend to actively contribute to<br>
> > its success through ensuring that the public interest of all,<br>
> > globally, are reflected in the Internet governance structure which<br>
> > hopefully will emerge.****<br>
> ><br>
> > ****<br>
> ><br>
> > M ****<br>
> ><br>
> > ****<br>
> ><br>
> > *From:* <a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a> [<br>
> > mailto:<a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a><<a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.be">bestbits-request@lists.be</a><br>
> > <a href="http://stbits.net" target="_blank">stbits.net</a>>]<br>
> > *On Behalf Of *matthew shears<br>
> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:28 AM<br>
> > *To:* <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><br>
> > *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Re: [governance] Rousseff & Chehade:<br>
> > Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014****<br>
> ><br>
> > ****<br>
> ><br>
> > I agree that we need to approach this with some caution. That said,<br>
> > we should start working on a CS agenda for this summit - its good<br>
> > for CS to communicate its expectations of such events early and we<br>
> > should start this process in Bali. Less convinced about the need<br>
> > (or desirability) of writing letters of appreciation to all and<br>
> > sundry - we can always note our appreciation in the agenda we work<br>
> > up. ****<br>
> ><br>
> > On 10/10/2013 06:47, Anja Kovacs wrote:****<br>
> ><br>
> > I share Rafik's caution to some extent, but it is difficult not to<br>
> > be enthused by this proposal. As Mike points out, it is a tremendous<br>
> > opportunity for all of us to engage in this debate. Why don't we<br>
> > start working on another letter to Rousseff, in which we support the<br>
> > idea but also start outlining a CS agenda for the summit? What would<br>
> > we like to see such a summit achieving? Maybe we can use our<br>
> > discussions in Bali as a basis from which to start drafting such an<br>
> > agenda.****<br>
> ><br>
> > And maybe time for a word of appreciation to Chehade as well, at<br>
> > least from those of us who believe that the internationalisation of<br>
> > ICANN would be a good thing :)****<br>
> ><br>
> > What do others think?****<br>
> ><br>
> > Best,<br>
> > Anja****<br>
> ><br>
> > On Oct 10, 2013 7:57 AM, "Jeremy Malcolm" <<a href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>><br>
> > wrote:****<br>
> ><br>
> > On 10/10/13 06:33, John Curran wrote:****<br>
> ><br>
> > On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>> <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>><br>
> > wrote:****<br>
> ><br>
> > Do I understand correctly: according to this the President of ICANN<br>
> > has just agreed with the need for external oversight of ICANN, and<br>
> > unnamed other organizations, involved in governance/management of<br>
> > the Internet, just as long as it is multistakeholder?****<br>
> ><br>
> > It appears to be a significant effort to address Internet Governance<br>
> > ****<br>
> ><br>
> > challenges, including acceleration of the globalization of ICANN<br>
> > towards ****<br>
> ><br>
> > an environment in which all stakeholders (including all<br>
> > governments) can ****<br>
> ><br>
> > participate on an equal footing...****<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > It puts civil society to shame in how timid we, at large, have been<br>
> > in proposing similar advances on the status quo. (I have not made<br>
> > much of a secret of the fact that I was disappointed in the number<br>
> > of endorsements that the Best Bits statement on enhanced cooperation<br>
> > ( <a href="http://bestbits.net/ec" target="_blank">http://bestbits.net/ec</a>) received, though in part I accept that<br>
> > this was because the statement was simply too long.)<br>
> ><br>
> > This has also, in one stroke, determined the IGF's future. Of<br>
> > course the writing has been on the wall for the IGF for a while now,<br>
> > but it has now officially become irrelevant in terms of its larger<br>
> > role in multi-stakeholder Internet governance as originally<br>
> > anticipated in the Tunis Agenda. Of course it will continue to have<br>
> > a role as a discussion forum, but the momentum for it to fulfil a<br>
> > larger role has moved elsewhere.<br>
> ><br>
> > It also neutralises the effect of the old guard of the technical<br>
> > community (ISOC mainly) at the Working Group on Enhanced<br>
> > Cooperation. Whilst they can still oppose meaningful implementation<br>
> > of enhanced cooperation reforms, this opposition is now utterly<br>
> > token and ineffectual. With Brazil (and ICANN!) having lost<br>
> > patience and forging ahead regardless, this leaves anyone arguing<br>
> > against reforms at the WGEC looking silly and irrelevant. *<br>
> > ***<br>
> ><br>
> > -- ****<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Dr. Anja Kovacs<br>The Internet Democracy Project<br><br>+91 9899028053 | @anjakovacs<br><a href="http://www.internetdemocracy.in/" target="_blank">www.internetdemocracy.in</a><br>
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