[bestbits] [very quick follow up] I*coalition/dialogue = 1net
Carlos A. Afonso
ca at cafonso.ca
Wed Nov 13 06:59:46 EST 2013
I wish to dialogue on that too. Who identified or determined this "need"?
[]s fraternos
--c.a.
On 11/13/2013 09:56 AM, Joana Varon wrote:
> I agree with Carlos that the liasons to deal with 1net in its wider
> scope/sterring committee shall not be the same 4 Brazilian ones
> currently indicated. And believe I've mentioned this before.
>
> But just to clarify, Carlos, did you get the info that there is need for
> 2 set of liasons at 1net: one set for the summit and another set for the
> steering committee, which will be focused on wider activities that this
> network will perform? Would u be ok if the current 4 are indicated just
> for the first scope (summit) and we figure out a way to indicate others,
> including NCUC/NCSG fellows, for the steering?
>
> If so, we are in the same page.
>
> Best
>
> Joana
>
> On 13 Nov 2013 09:40, "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca
> <mailto:ca at cafonso.ca>> wrote:
>
> Jeremy, I tried to make them (the i*) understand this in our meeting
> with them in Bali, but it seems they did not catch it...
>
> I actually have doubts on our own representation/liaison -- the four
> nominated were so in a bit of haste (actually a BR representation, not
> necessarily a CS one), and there are civil society "tribes" who feel
> unrepresented. I personally feel that at least organized CS which works
> within Icann (NCUC/NCSG) should be part of the representation.
>
> Can we dialogue on this?
>
> --c.a.
>
> On 11/13/2013 03:17 AM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
> > On 12/11/13 22:09, Joana Varon wrote:
> >> Work of the 1net dialogue shall be divided in two tracks:
> >>
> >> - Brazilian summit (that part of the coalition/dialogue, particularly
> >> business, remains calling meeting). For that, the dialogue, following
> >> our move in Bali, is also suggesting to have 3 representatives from
> >> each stakeholder (civil society, business, technical community), to
> >> identify 3 representatives to participate in the preparations.
> >
> > I don't in any way support the 1net dialogue appointing itself as an
> > interface between civil society and the Brazil summit. Thankfully it
> > seems that the point has been made on the list that we have already
> > appointed our own representatives to engage with Brazil on the summit,
> > thank-you-very-much. We should not allow the misunderstanding to
> arise
> > that 1net had any part in this appointment.
> >
> >> - Overall dialogue, were the first step will be exchanges to
> establish
> >> a dialogue (or 1net) steering committee to help prepare any materials
> >> for discussion/coordinate with the broader community. On my
> >> perception, reaching balance on this steering committee will be vital
> >> to assess our level of engagement in the dialogue. The issue of
> >> representativeness of CS will knock again on our doors.
> >
> > So this ties in with the previous proposal (see my mail from
> yesterday)
> > for us to quickly work with other civil society networks to form a
> loose
> > peak structure that would nominate civil society representatives to
> > other Internet governance processes.[0]
> >
> >> - pointing representatives from each stakeholder group (business,
> tech
> >> and civil soc) for thesteering committee and for the conference
> >> working group. Please, note that governments are not part of the list
> >> of stakeholders involved in the dialogue/1net. (ps. I'm just
> >> reporting, a dialogue without governments is not my perfect view of a
> >> coalition)
> >
> > And the website misrepresents this. It says, implicitly speaking for
> > the members of the dialogue, "Together - as global users, industry,
> > civil society, governments, academics, and technical organizations
> - we
> > are deeply committed to strengthening the distributed
> multi-stakeholder
> > Internet governance framework to serve our next generations."
> >
> > There are occasions when civil society has been fairly united in
> pulling
> > out from a platform that doesn't serve our interests - for example the
> > OECD Communiqué on Internet policy making, and the EU Licenses for
> > Europe initiative. I am not disagreeing with those who say "wait and
> > see", but my current inclination remains that we should leave 1net to
> > the private sector and tech community, who will certainly
> overwhelm our
> > influence in any case.
> >
> > [0] A further reason for this being stated by Michael Gurstein in a
> > different thread:
> >
> >> that to all intents and purposes CS in its current form in the IG
> is incapable of being an effective "stakeholder" and accepting the
> implications of that for the overall MS model. The implications of
> taking this latter position is that if an adherence to MSism is so
> important for various of the actors involved then some significant
> efforts/resources will need to be put into making CS a workable,
> effective and legitimate partner.
> >
> >
> > --
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