[bestbits] RE: [governance] FW: [IP] NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data, secrAnet files reveal | World news | guardian.co.uk

[michael gurstein]

That's just silly... and you know it as well or better than anyone...

We already know by admission what is going on and what has been going on for
at least 7 years (according to Mr. Clapper of the NSA)...

We also know that anyone/country which can/will do its surveillance and to
the max, that's the nature of that beast..

The challenge for us/CS and for anyone including governments, the technical
community, and responsible elements in the private sector is to figure out
ways of making those processes transparent and subject to the rule of law
(and to create appropriate laws and governance/enforcement mechanisms as and
where necessary...

To not do so is to allow for the creation of a unipolar surveillance state
which is, I would have thought, more or less universally repugnant.

M

-----Original Message-----
From: McTim [mailto:dogwallah at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 11:53 AM
To: michael gurstein
Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [IP] NSA has direct access to tech giants'
systems for user data, secrAnet files reveal | World news | guardian.co.uk

On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:08 AM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
wrote:
> McTim,
>

<snip>

>
>
> There will inevitably be mutliple hands on the Internet, it is far too 
> important and pervasive for there not to be


I think this is a defeatist attitude that CS should not support.



> The question is whether there are structures of accountability, 
> responsibility, transparency and so on that are accessible and useable 
> for everyone and not just for those who are in a current position of 
> economic, political or technical authority/power.
>

so every national gov't should be able to snoop, as long as they are
accountable, responsible, transparent, etc?

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Cheers,

McTim
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