[bestbits] Delivery of International civil society letter to Congress to follow up from HRC statement

Thu Jun 13 11:20:31 EDT 2013

ok, I will check how the text is and include parminder's suggestion

(p.s. all lists copied...so sorry for those who are in all of them - like
me - since you will get multiple emails...)

On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Anja Kovacs <anja at internetdemocracy.in>wrote:

> +1 on Parminder's additional suggested paragraph, though in its original
> form (certainly many of us feel our rights have been violated, not sure we
> should leave it up to the US government to decide whehter or not that has
> indeed happened...).
>
> Thanks,
> Anja
>
>
> On 13 June 2013 20:02, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I can take a look for style and grammar… Just alert me when there is a
>> "finalized" text… I'm out and about all day today so won't likely get to in
>> until tonight (East coast Canada time) or tomorrow morning.****
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>> M****
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>> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net [mailto:
>> bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] *On Behalf Of *Carolina Rossini
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:16 AM
>> *To:* parminder
>> *Cc:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Delivery of International civil society letter
>> to Congress to follow up from HRC statement****
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>> I like parminder suggestions on non-US citizens. ****
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>> I also agree with suggestion on delivering this on Monday.****
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>> Who could take a final look for style and grammar? Much of it was lost
>> during the editing process. I can try, but it would be better if a native
>> english speaker take the lead on the final round. ****
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>> Carol****
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>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 10:08 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
>> wrote:****
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>> The statement has turned out well. However, I remain concerned about the
>> fact that the issue of non citizens related content surveillance has not at
>> all been addressed by the US authorities. They havent bothered to say a
>> word on it (not that it is easily defensible).  I would like the group to
>> consider adding the following paragraph somewhere......****
>>
>> "We are extremely disappointed that, in all the post 'disclosures'
>> statements, US authorities have only insisted that there was no access
>> obtained to content related to *US citizens*, and just their
>> communication meta-data was collected. There has not been  a word on the
>> issue of large-scale access to content related to non US citizens, which is
>> a violation of their human rights. The focussing of the US authorities on
>> the difference between treatment of US citizens and non-citizens on an
>> issue which essentially relates to violation of human rights is very
>> problematic. Human rights are universal, and every government must refrain
>> from violating them for all people, and not merely for its citizens. The
>> current and future US law and practices on this matter should take note of
>> this. "****
>>
>>
>> I  still have issues with the role of the involved companies, which I
>> will address in a separate email. I am fine though to address them
>> separately, through a possible second statement.
>>
>> Meanwhile the second sentence in the following somehow looks not quite
>> right. ****
>>
>> "The introduction of untargeted surveillance mechanisms at the heart of
>> global digital communications severely threatens human rights in the
>> digital age. *These new forms of decentralized power reflect fundamental
>> shifts in the structure of information systems in modern societies.* [3] and
>> aAny step in this direction needs to be scrutinized through ample, deep
>> and transparent debate. Interference with the human rights of citizens by
>> any government, their own or foreign, is unacceptable."****
>>
>> What is being referred to as a 'form of decentralised power'? From the
>> reference I take it, it is about 'arab spring' kind of people's power, but
>> that doesnt look clear from the way the sentence is wedged between the
>> other two sentences...
>>
>>
>> parminder
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>>  ****
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>> On Thursday 13 June 2013 05:11 PM, Anja Kovacs wrote:****
>>
>> Also, in response to Parminder's questions: while we had agreed from the
>> beginning that the focus of this particular statement would be the US
>> Congress, I feel (and I just reread it to check) that it does foreground
>> the concerns of non-US citizens/resident (as it was meant to do in my
>> reading as well). Parminder, do you really feel that doesn't come out at
>> all? In that case, we do have some more work to do....****
>>
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>> On 13 June 2013 16:28, Anja Kovacs <anja at internetdemocracy.in> wrote:****
>>
>> Anriette, is there a strong reason why you feel we should release this
>> tomorrow already? My inclination would be to agree with Nnenna and others
>> and to wait until Monday, but would be keen to know why you feel tomorrow
>> is a better idea. ****
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>> On 13 June 2013 14:37, Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com> wrote:****
>>
>> Hi people****
>>
>> I will say  submit on Monday.  When you kick off the week with it, you
>> will have ample time to rave up media attention on it..****
>>
>> I am hoping Mandela does not give up the fight.. because that will
>> overshadow any other Internet news...****
>>
>> I am booked for the very first Africa Internet Summit in Lusaka next
>> week.  I do hope to be able to draw attention to the statement, as well as
>> some that have been made by Best Bits.****
>>
>> Best of the day..****
>>
>> Nnenna****
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>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
>> wrote:****
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>> Greetings everyone
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>> Content is coming along well.
>>
>> Jeremy, in response to your question, what about giving people until
>> 21h00 GMT/UTC today, Thursday. Then you can close the text, finalise it,
>> and release for sign-ons and give people until 16h00 GMT/UTC Friday for
>> sign ons and then we can send it off before the end of the business day
>> in Washington DC (will be 12h00 in DC).
>>
>> That will accommodate Parminder's request, but still enable us to get
>> enough sign ons and get the letter to Washington DC on Friday. Only
>> region that will have a shortish period for sign ons will be the Americas.
>>
>> Will this work?
>>
>> Anriette
>>
>>
>> On 13/06/2013 08:13, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
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>> anriette esterhuysen anriette at apc.org
>> executive director, association for progressive communications
>> www.apc.org
>> po box 29755, melville 2109
>> south africa
>> tel/fax +27 11 726 1692
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>> Dr. Anja Kovacs
>> The Internet Democracy Project
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>> www.internetdemocracy.in****
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>> Dr. Anja Kovacs
>> The Internet Democracy Project
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>> www.internetdemocracy.in****
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>> *Carolina Rossini* ****
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>> http://carolinarossini.net/****
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>> + 1 6176979389
>> *carolina.rossini at gmail.com*****
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>> skype: carolrossini****
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> --
> Dr. Anja Kovacs
> The Internet Democracy Project
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> +91 9899028053 | @anjakovacs
> www.internetdemocracy.in
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