ok, I will check how the text is and include parminder's suggestion<br><br><br>(p.s. all lists copied...so sorry for those who are in all of them - like me - since you will get multiple emails...)<div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Anja Kovacs <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anja@internetdemocracy.in" target="_blank">anja@internetdemocracy.in</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div>+1 on Parminder's additional suggested paragraph, though in its original form (certainly many of us feel our rights have been violated, not sure we should leave it up to the US government to decide whehter or not that has indeed happened...).<br>
<br></div><div>Thanks,<br>Anja<br></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 June 2013 20:02, michael gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I can take a look for style and grammar… Just alert me when there is a "finalized" text… I'm out and about all day today so won't likely get to in until tonight (East coast Canada time) or tomorrow morning.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">M<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carolina Rossini<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:16 AM<br><b>To:</b> parminder<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a></span></p><div><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Delivery of International civil society letter to Congress to follow up from HRC statement<u></u><u></u></div>
<p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I like parminder suggestions on non-US citizens. <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
I also agree with suggestion on delivering this on Monday.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Who could take a final look for style and grammar? Much of it was lost during the editing process. I can try, but it would be better if a native english speaker take the lead on the final round. <u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Carol<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 10:08 AM, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
<br><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">The statement has turned out well. However, I remain concerned about the fact that the issue of non citizens related content surveillance has not at all been addressed by the US authorities. They havent bothered to say a word on it (not that it is easily defensible). I would like the group to consider adding the following paragraph somewhere......</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">"We are extremely disappointed that, in all the post 'disclosures' statements, US authorities have only insisted that there was no access obtained to content related to <i>US citizens</i>, and just their communication meta-data was collected. There has not been a word on the issue of large-scale access to content related to non US citizens, which is a violation of their human rights. The focussing of the US authorities on the difference between treatment of US citizens and non-citizens on an issue which essentially relates to violation of human rights is very problematic. Human rights are universal, and every government must refrain from violating them for all people, and not merely for its citizens. The current and future US law and practices on this matter should take note of this. "</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br>I still have issues with the role of the involved companies, which I will address in a separate email. I am fine though to address them separately, through a possible second statement. <br>
<br>Meanwhile the second sentence in the following somehow looks not quite right. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">"</span>T<span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">he introduction of<s> untargeted</s> surveillance mechanisms at the heart of global digital communications severely threatens human rights in the digital age. <b><i>These new forms of decentralized power reflect fundamental shifts in the structure of information systems in modern societies.</i></b> [3] <s>and a</s>Any step in this direction needs to be scrutinized through ample, deep and transparent debate. Interference with the human rights of citizens by any government, their own or foreign, is unacceptable."</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">What is being referred to as a 'form of decentralised power'? From the reference I take it, it is about 'arab spring' kind of people's power, but that doesnt look clear from the way the sentence is wedged between the other two sentences...<span style="color:#888888"><br>
<br><br><span>parminder </span><br><br></span> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thursday 13 June 2013 05:11 PM, Anja Kovacs wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div><p class="MsoNormal">Also, in response to Parminder's questions: while we had agreed from the beginning that the focus of this particular statement would be the US Congress, I feel (and I just reread it to check) that it does foreground the concerns of non-US citizens/resident (as it was meant to do in my reading as well). Parminder, do you really feel that doesn't come out at all? In that case, we do have some more work to do....<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 13 June 2013 16:28, Anja Kovacs <<a href="mailto:anja@internetdemocracy.in" target="_blank">anja@internetdemocracy.in</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Anriette, is there a strong reason why you feel we should release this tomorrow already? My inclination would be to agree with Nnenna and others and to wait until Monday, but would be keen to know why you feel tomorrow is a better idea. <u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 13 June 2013 14:37, Nnenna Nwakanma <<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi people<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I will say submit on Monday. When you kick off the week with it, you will have ample time to rave up media attention on it..<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I am hoping Mandela does not give up the fight.. because that will overshadow any other Internet news...<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
I am booked for the very first Africa Internet Summit in Lusaka next week. I do hope to be able to draw attention to the statement, as well as some that have been made by Best Bits.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
Best of the day..<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">Nnenna<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <<a href="mailto:anriette@apc.org" target="_blank">anriette@apc.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
<br>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>Hash: SHA1<br><br>Greetings everyone<br><br>Content is coming along well.<br><br>Jeremy, in response to your question, what about giving people until<br>21h00 GMT/UTC today, Thursday. Then you can close the text, finalise it,<br>
and release for sign-ons and give people until 16h00 GMT/UTC Friday for<br>sign ons and then we can send it off before the end of the business day<br>in Washington DC (will be 12h00 in DC).<br><br>That will accommodate Parminder's request, but still enable us to get<br>
enough sign ons and get the letter to Washington DC on Friday. Only<br>region that will have a shortish period for sign ons will be the Americas.<br><br>Will this work?<br><br>Anriette<br><br><br>On 13/06/2013 08:13, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br>
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