[governance] [bestbits] HLLM in LOndon - CS reps

[William Drake]

On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:24 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:

> The distinction between Bill's appointment as an expert and the CS groups' nomination of people to be on the committee is not so clear to me,

Well, don’t let that stop you.  It is however crystal clear to me, to ICANN, to the HLP, and to everyone else involved.  For the third time Milton, I was invited as an “expert” advisor to “speak to” the group.  I am NOT a member of the group.  I am NOT the CS representative to the group.  In fact, as far as I know, there are no representatives to the group.  That’s what business was complaining about in Buenos Aires.  The registries don’t have a representative.  The registrars don’t have a representative.  The intellectual property constituency doesn’t have a representative.   The ISP constituency doesn’t have a representative.   And so on.  I have no idea how they may be dealing with that now, but I’m guessing it’s not in the same manner.

More to the point, I’ve been told of others who were were similarly invited as speakers, at least three of whom are subscribed to these lists.  I don’t know if they have accepted or not, as they have not been stupid enough to mention it here.   Should they do so, I look forward to you explaining their status to them in the same manner.

> and we cannot assume that it is clear to Fadi,

You are saying he lacks the clarity to understand the difference between the panelists and the speakers to the panelists?  And yet you demand that he appoint you as a panelist, right?  

> especially since the London meeting of the group starts in two days. Either one could be seen as Fadi making a concession to CS demands to be included in the HLLM, and he may consider one to be a substitute for the other.

Yes, the only possible explanation for my being invited to speak about Internet governance is that a concession is being made to “CS demands".  

>  At this stage, I would assume that if there is no appointment of another CS rep to the HL Panel by now, that there will not be one at all,

Given how you are playing this, that may well prove true.  If it does, please take it up with Fadi and leave me out of it.

> and Bill is all we will be given.

I am not being given to anyone.

> The fact that Bill's appointment came from a random F2F hallway meeting isn't something that inspires confidence, is it?

I am unaware of any random F2F hallway meeting.  I have never met the person who wrote to invite me.




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> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] on behalf of William Drake [william.drake at uzh.ch]
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 2:50 PM
> To: Avri Doria
> Cc: Governance; Best Bits
> Subject: Re: Re: [governance] [bestbits] HLLM in LOndon - CS reps
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> Hi
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> Thanks, Avri.  Milton I told you about this F2F in Bern the other day and said it again in the message to which you replied, so I’m not sure what the disconnect is.  Read it again?  No relation to the process you mention.
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> Cheers
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> Bill
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> On Dec 9, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Avri Doria <avri at ella.com> wrote:
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>> As i understood it, he has not been appointed to the HLLN, but rather that they have approached him as an expert, which he is, on many things.
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>> These are very different things.
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>> avri
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>> Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>> Let me be indelicate enough to raise an issue that probably no one wants to deal with but needs to be raised. And despite certain appearances, it is not a personal interest here but a process one.
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>> The IGC, and several other groups, worked together to forward two recommended names to the President of ICANN.
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>> Congrats to some extent on being appointed to this HLLM, but your name was not on that CS-provided list, Bill. At this stage of the game I am certainly not suggesting that you turn it down, but one does want to know what kind of a process we are in and what kind of criteria are being applied?
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>> Other people are asking us for recommended lists of names for various positions. Aside from the usual junk associated with people positioning for these things, we need to assess the good faith and cooperative spirit of those who are making these requests. To put a finer point on it, what are the implications of CS being asked to provide recommended names, providing them, and then having a completely different name selected?
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>> I know it’s an uncomfortable topic but I think we’d have to be self-delusional not to discuss it.
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>> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of William Drake
>> Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 4:57 AM
>> To: Governance; Adam Peake
>> Cc: McTim McTim; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt Best Bits
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] HLLM in LOndon - CS reps
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>> I’ve mentioned this to a couple people privately and should probably state publicly as well that I will be participating in the High Level Panel process as an “expert” advisor, e.g. in London I’ll be giving a talk about the nature of IG, running a break out session, etc.  I believe there may be a couple other people from other SGs similarly appointed, TBC.  I don’t know how they intend to deal with the request for a CS “representative” panel member, but understand nothing will happen in time for the London meeting.
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>> I have suggested publicly announcing the agenda and providing options for people to provide written inputs, we’ll see what happens.  The London meeting is in four days and there’s a lot late rushing around to pull it together, so it’s a bit difficult to predict exactly how everything will play out.
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>> Best,
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>> Bill
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>> William J. Drake
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>>   Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>>   University of Zurich, Switzerland
>> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, 
>>   ICANN, www.ncuc.org
>> william.drake at uzh.ch (w), wjdrake at gmail.com (h),
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>> On Dec 9, 2013, at 3:27 AM, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
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>> On Dec 8, 2013, at 11:34 PM, McTim wrote:
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>> "USC, University of Southern California-Annenberg Foundation as well
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>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:49 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Thanks for this Ian, could someone please explain to me what is meant by
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>> organizations.. Is he referring to Inet here? Who are the other two
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>> From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>> [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] On Behalf Of Ian Peter
>> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:34 AM
>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Adam Peake
>> Cc: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] HLLM in LOndon - CS reps
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>> Hi Adam,
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>> Because it would be inappropriate I am deliberately not taking on a  role of
>> coordinating back to various networks as that is what the various reps
>> should do. But here is the reply from Fadi to Robin (copied to the reps
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>> Hello Robin,
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>> I hope you had a good thanksgiving holiday. I took several days off and
>> regained a lot of energy after our busy week in Buenos Aires. I just got
>> back and ready for the next phase of work.
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>> As I noted below and in Buenos Aires, we were never in a position to grow
>> the panel any further. In BA, however, after the panel was announced, we
>> made a final commitment to add only one panelist from the cc community, and
>> only one more from civil society -- understanding the need for broader
>> participation. Byron Holland from the cc community agreed to serve while in
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>> At this stage, and now that we have established this fifth panel as more
>> independent (in partnership with two other organizations), I will need to
>> confer with our partners on your request, as well as with the Chairman of
>> the panel. I predict that they will be sensitive to diversity.
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>> I cannot meet with the chairman until next week on Wednesday. I will keep
>> you posted. It may be a little late for London but rest assured that Frank
>> La Rue, Lynn St. Amour, and myself will have our communities interests very
>> vigilantly on top of our agendas.
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>> Fadi
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>> From: Adam Peake
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>> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:03 PM
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>> To: Ian Peter
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>> Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
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>> Subject: [governance] Re: [bestbits] HLLM in LOndon - CS reps
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>> Hi Ian,
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>> Any reply to the CS coalition's recommendations?  The high level panel is
>> due to meet December 12-13 (London), a week from now.
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>> Best,
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>> Adam
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>> On Nov 30, 2013, at 5:50 AM, Ian Peter wrote:
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>> Please find a letter just send to Fadi Chehade under my signatory as
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>> Let me be the first to admit the process was imperfect, the result was
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>> 29 November 2013
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>> RE: Civil Society Representation on High Level Panel in London
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>> Dear Fadi and Nora:
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>> I am writing to you following from discussions held by a coalition of
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>> representatives of the civil society networks most involved in
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>> Internet governance deliberations, we appreciate your willingness to
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>> engage civil society in discussions regarding the future of Internet
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>> governance. We also appreciate your recognition that civil society is
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>> under-represented on your High Level Panel and your willingness to
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>> After consultations with our networks, we propose adding the following
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>> 2 civil society representatives to begin to balance against the much
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>> larger numbers from government, the private sector, and technical
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>> representatives placed on the initial panel.
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>> Civil society’s two nominated representatives for the London High
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>> 1. Anriette Esterhuysen (anriette at apc.org) 2. Milton Mueller
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>> (mueller at syr.edu) Would you please kindly confirm your acceptance of
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>> We also strongly recommend the involvement of Jovan Kurbalija of the
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>> Diplo Foundation as a highly experienced and knowledgeable
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>> We trust that in future we will be able to look at much more equitable
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>> representation of civil society in such panels and committees.
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>> Persons involved with these deliberations and choice of names from
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>> various civil society networks were:
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>> Virginia Paque, Diplo Foundation
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>> Anriette Esterhuysen, Association for Progressive Communications (APC)
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>> Robin Gross, ICANN's Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) Norbert
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>> Bollow and Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro, Internet Governance Caucus
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>> Jeremy Malcolm, Best Bits
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>> Signed,
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>> Ian Peter, Independent Facilitator
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>   Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>   University of Zurich, Switzerland
> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, 
>   ICANN, www.ncuc.org
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  University of Zurich, Switzerland
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