[bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending, who's reporting
michael gurstein
gurstein at gmail.com
Thu Nov 29 08:52:48 EST 2012
Yes, and since so many people are (quite correctly IMHO) convinced both
1. that some form of intervention in support of the public
interest (including to ensure freedom of expression) through and of the
Internet is necessary and
2. that the ITU largely because of its history and current
structures (which are the reflection of its history) is unable to be the
venue for this --
then there should be the beginnings of some thought on what sort of
structures would be appropriate for such intervention and what the
characteristics of such structures (and interventions) should be.
Mike
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Good points Parminder. We should also be exploring at some point the issue
of taxation from a civil society perspective.
One consideration you don't make in positing freedom of expression "against"
public interest regulation is that in many instances we actually need
regulation to protect freedom of expression.
E.g. regulation that does not make internet intermediaries liable for the
content they host/carry.
I am hoping that the engagement on WCIT by civil society, and the support
for civil society engagement in WCIT will not dry up once the initial
'victory' has been won.
Securing a free and open internet in the longer term will indeed depend on
governments not meddling inappropriately in internet development and
regulation, but it also depends on making sure that there is a level playing
field (as level as possible) for internet businesses and innovators from all
over the world, and on making sure that rights such as freedom of expression
and association (among others) are respected on the internet.
And leading on from this, there needs to be recourse and remedy for people
whose rights are being violated. Can this be achieved without any regulatory
intervention? I would say it cannot. Is the ITU the right place to lead the
development such an intervention? Definitely not, but that does not mean
that telecoms regulation is irrelevant to securing a fair and open internet
and it is really good that so many new people are engaging ITU processes.
This does bring us back to our 'Best Bits' goal about developing and
proposing principles for internet governance. Should we not begin to plan
our next steps?
Anriette
On 29/11/2012 07:32, parminder wrote:
well sorry, that was not the oped I did but another news item on censorship
in India
the oped is below
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/hyping-one-threat-to-hide-another/artic
le4140922.ece
On Thursday 29 November 2012 10:54 AM, parminder wrote:
Hi All
Without distracting all of you from the important task of on the ground
coordination at the WCIT, I will like to draw your attention to the oped
that I did on WCIT in the larger content of global IG in the top India daily
'The Hindu'. It kind of gives a balancing view to what I think it often a
one-sided campaign with a relatively narrow vision and purpose.
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/civil-society-seeks-serious
-relook-at-law/article4145033.ece
parminder
On Thursday 29 November 2012 10:41 AM, Tim Hwang wrote:
Ack! My mistake - didn't realize there would be the other etherpad setup,
please disregard the one I sent out earlier today (i.e.
https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai).
Thanks,
Tim
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Emma Llanso <ellanso at cdt.org
<mailto:ellanso at cdt.org> <mailto:ellanso at cdt.org>> wrote:
Hi all,
I wanted to share two things CDT has put together for our own
information security and coordination during WCIT, which I hope
will be helpful to the larger group. The first is the attached
tipsheet on information and device security for people who will
be on the ground in Dubai, which our senior staff technologist
Joe Hall put together (with some very helpful contributions from
NDI). If anyone has other tips to share, please do! And let me
know if you have any questions about the doc.
The second is this etherpad setup:
https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/. It's a central
homepage that can host multiple private and publicly accessible
pads/docs; accessing the above URL or any of the private pads
requires an account, but anyone with the URL to a public pad
(e.g. https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/1) should be able
to read it. We thought this provided a good mix of opportunity
for relatively secure communication plus potential to create
public-facing docs as well. If you'd like to access the private
pads, please email me and ellery at cdt.org <mailto:ellery at cdt.org>
<mailto:ellery at cdt.org>
and we'd be happy to create an account for you.
I've begun keeping a list of civil society attendees (with
contact info and hotel, where I know it) on a private pad at the
above link, but I'm happy to combine with Tim's pad, if that's
easier for folks. And if you see your information listed but
don't want it to be, please let me know!
Best,
Emma
On 11/28/2012 4:09 PM, Lea Kaspar wrote:
Dear Ellery et al,
For those of you I haven't had the pleasure of meeting yet, I'm
Lea Kaspar, working with Global Partners in London.
We are facilitating participation of several groups I can
post/send the info as soon as I have the final details. Should
this be done to Matthew directly or are we using the etherpad? I
will also be attending the conference as an unaffiliated rep
from Dec 4 to 10.
Unfortunately, I'll be on a plane at the time of the call, but
would like to be kept in the loop about what other folk are
doing/planning. Are you planning to share the list here?
Someone asked about accommodation I got a very affordable deal
at the hotel IBIS WTC, which seems to be practically adjacent to
the conference venue.
Best,
Lea
From: Rashmi Rangnath <rrangnath at publicknowledge.org
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Date: Wednesday, 28 November 2012 19:39
To: Tim Hwang <tim at mozillafoundation.org
<mailto:tim at mozillafoundation.org> <mailto:tim at mozillafoundation.org>>
Cc: William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch
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Subject: Re: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's
attending, who's reporting
Al:
I and my colleague Harold Feld will be on the US delegation.
I will be in Dubai from December 9th to the14th.
Harold will be there from December 4th to the 12th.
Rashmi
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Tim Hwang
<tim at mozillafoundation.org <mailto:tim at mozillafoundation.org>
<mailto:tim at mozillafoundation.org>>
wrote:
To facilitate the on-the-ground list - I've thrown up a
quick Etherpad page here that people can fill in with
information, if it's helpful:
https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai
Password is: ITU.
-Tim
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM, William Drake
<william.drake at uzh.ch <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>
<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>> wrote:
Hi
FWIW I'm on a US del call right now and we just finished
a long briefing on security, thought I'd pass along a
few points of local interest while thinking it:
* expect to be constantly electronically surveilled,
including in hotels
* expect all electronic communications to be insecure,
particularly wireless
* keep any confidential info on you rather than in hotel
* USG has received no info on how the government might
react to any on-site activism of an unapproved
nature, and if relevant urges US citizens to let
State or the consulate know they'll be in town.
Make of these what you will
.
Cheers,
Bill
On Nov 28, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Deborah Brown wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks for coordinating this Ellery/Matthew. Picking up
on Bill's last point, it might be helpful to include
people's dates in Dubai in the list to facilitate
coordination on the ground. I'm happy to lend a hand in
coordination as well.
Best,
Deborah
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:06 AM, William Drake
<william.drake at uzh.ch <mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>
<mailto:william.drake at uzh.ch>> wrote:
Hi
Despite all the debate and mobilization, and ITU
staff's refrain that the meeting's fully
multistakeholder since people can simply join their
national delegations, a cursory scan of the
Announced List of Participants as of 27 November
shows 1764 participants, only a dozen or so that
seem obviously to be civil societyhalf on the US
del, the others scattered. Caveats apply: a) It
may be that I just don't recognize some individual
and organizational names so this guesstimate's a
little low. b) In the UN context (WSIS/IGF/CSTD
etc) and OECD the technical community and CS are
separated, so that's how I count. I see more TC
than CS names on the list, and while most of the
former work in the private sector or for
administrative bodies like the RIRs, there are some
people who are by various standards in both. c)
The list is being periodically updated, so there
may be some late registrations. All that said, the
number seems unlikely to be terribly high. There
may be more CS just coming and hanging around in
hopes of getting into any open to the public
sessions (TBD Monday), or otherwise populating the
hallways, than there are on the delegations.
It would be good to have a list with contact
details and to establish a communication channel
e.g. Skype/mail (although delegation members will
have some constraints) if Matthew wants to coordinate.
Best,
Bill
PS: The call time below may not be optimal for
people on dels if meetings run late (I'll be on a
plane).
On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Ellery Biddle wrote:
Hi everyone,
We have been talking here at CDT about various
strategies for communications and coordination
during the WCIT. Lots to think about here. Two
items on this:
First: Who is going to Dubai? We /really/ want to
develop a list of civil society people who will be
in Dubai for the conference. We think it would be
helpful for those attending WCIT to know what
other CS people will be there, and to develop a
rough plan for coordinating once they are in
Dubai. Matthew Shears, ISOC's former policy
director who has been working on ITU issues with
CDT, will be in Dubai on CDT's behalf. He will not
be affiliated with any delegation. *If you or
someone from your organization is going to be in
Dubai (with or without delegate status), and you'd
like to be in touch with other civil society folks
there, please send Matthew an email letting him
know. Matthew's email: mshears at cdt.org
<mailto:mshears at cdt.org> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>*
Second: How can we coordinate on public
communication about the WCIT? We know that many
CSOs will be blogging, tweeting, and responding to
press inquiries about the WCIT as it's happening.
Given the relatively closed nature of the event,
we know that it may be difficult to get the
information we need in order to do this well, and
that some coordination between groups may help
fill this gap. We also anticipate that rumors and
misinformation may become an issue, as different
delegates may hear different things, etc. In
anticipation of this, we want to propose a group
call for next week. This will be open to any civil
society groups planning to report on WCIT, either
from Dubai or from outside the UAE. Given the size
of these lists, I am setting an arbitrary (though
early, which generally seems best) time and date
for the call. Hope that plenty of folks can join
-- we'll take and circulate good notes for those
who can't make it.
*The call will take place on Tuesday, December 4
at 16:00 UTC / 11:00 EST. *A list of international
toll-free call-in numbers is attached. I will
circulate this again, along with a reminder, on
Monday.
As always, please feel encouraged to reply to the
list with additional ideas, questions, etc.
Thanks all!
Ellery
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