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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yes, and since so many people are (quite correctly IMHO) convinced both <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> 1. that some form of intervention in support of the public interest (including to ensure freedom of expression) through and of the Internet is necessary and <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> 2. that the ITU largely because of its history and current structures (which are the reflection of its history) is unable to be the venue for this -- <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>then there should be the beginnings of some thought on what sort of structures would be appropriate for such intervention and what the characteristics of such structures (and interventions) should be.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> bestbits-request@lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:bestbits-request@lists.igcaucus.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anriette Esterhuysen<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's attending, who's reporting<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>Good points Parminder. We should also be exploring at some point the issue of taxation from a civil society perspective</span>.<br><br>One consideration you don't make in positing freedom of expression "against" public interest regulation is that in many instances we actually need regulation to protect freedom of expression.<br><br>E.g. regulation that does not make internet intermediaries liable for the content they host/carry.<br><br>I am hoping that the engagement on WCIT by civil society, and the support for civil society engagement in WCIT will not dry up once the initial 'victory' has been won.<br><br>Securing a free and open internet in the longer term will indeed depend on governments not meddling inappropriately in internet development and regulation, but it also depends on making sure that there is a level playing field (as level as possible) for internet businesses and innovators from all over the world, and on making sure that rights such as freedom of expression and association (among others) are respected on the internet.<br><br>And leading on from this, there needs to be recourse and remedy for people whose rights are being violated. Can this be achieved without any regulatory intervention? I would say it cannot. Is the ITU the right place to lead the development such an intervention? Definitely not, but that does not mean that telecoms regulation is irrelevant to securing a fair and open internet and it is really good that so many new people are engaging ITU processes.<br><br>This does bring us back to our 'Best Bits' goal about developing and proposing principles for internet governance. Should we not begin to plan our next steps?<br><br>Anriette<br><br><br><br><br>On 29/11/2012 07:32, parminder wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>well sorry, that was not the oped I did but another news item on censorship in India <br><br>the oped is below <br><br><a href="http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/hyping-one-threat-to-hide-another/article4140922.ece">http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/hyping-one-threat-to-hide-another/article4140922.ece</a> <br><br><br>On Thursday 29 November 2012 10:54 AM, parminder wrote: <br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>Hi All <br><br>Without distracting all of you from the important task of on the ground coordination at the WCIT, I will like to draw your attention to the oped that I did on WCIT in the larger content of global IG in the top India daily 'The Hindu'. It kind of gives a balancing view to what I think it often a one-sided campaign with a relatively narrow vision and purpose. <br><br><a href="http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/civil-society-seeks-serious-relook-at-law/article4145033.ece">http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/civil-society-seeks-serious-relook-at-law/article4145033.ece</a> <br><br>parminder <br><br><br>On Thursday 29 November 2012 10:41 AM, Tim Hwang wrote: <br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Ack! My mistake - didn't realize there would be the other etherpad setup, please disregard the one I sent out earlier today (i.e. <a href="https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai">https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai</a>). <br><br>Thanks, <br>Tim <br><br>On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Emma Llanso <<a href="mailto:ellanso@cdt.org">ellanso@cdt.org</a> <a href="mailto:ellanso@cdt.org"><mailto:ellanso@cdt.org></a>> wrote: <br><br> Hi all, <br><br> I wanted to share two things CDT has put together for our own <br> information security and coordination during WCIT, which I hope <br> will be helpful to the larger group. The first is the attached <br> tipsheet on information and device security for people who will <br> be on the ground in Dubai, which our senior staff technologist <br> Joe Hall put together (with some very helpful contributions from <br> NDI). If anyone has other tips to share, please do! And let me <br> know if you have any questions about the doc. <br><br> The second is this etherpad setup: <br> <a href="https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/">https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/</a>. It's a central <br> homepage that can host multiple private and publicly accessible <br> pads/docs; accessing the above URL or any of the private pads <br> requires an account, but anyone with the URL to a public pad <br> (e.g. <a href="https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/1">https://civ-soc-wcit.etherpad.mozilla.org/1</a>) should be able <br> to read it. We thought this provided a good mix of opportunity <br> for relatively secure communication plus potential to create <br> public-facing docs as well. If you'd like to access the private <br> pads, please email me and <a href="mailto:ellery@cdt.org">ellery@cdt.org</a> <a href="mailto:ellery@cdt.org"><mailto:ellery@cdt.org></a> <br> and we'd be happy to create an account for you. <br><br> I've begun keeping a list of civil society attendees (with <br> contact info and hotel, where I know it) on a private pad at the <br> above link, but I'm happy to combine with Tim's pad, if that's <br> easier for folks. And if you see your information listed but <br> don't want it to be, please let me know! <br><br> Best, <br> Emma <br><br><br><br> On 11/28/2012 4:09 PM, Lea Kaspar wrote: <br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> Dear Ellery et al, <br><br> For those of you I haven't had the pleasure of meeting yet, I'm <br> Lea Kaspar, working with Global Partners in London. <br><br> We are facilitating participation of several groups – I can <br> post/send the info as soon as I have the final details. Should <br> this be done to Matthew directly or are we using the etherpad? I <br> will also be attending the conference as an unaffiliated rep <br> from Dec 4 to 10. <br><br> Unfortunately, I'll be on a plane at the time of the call, but <br> would like to be kept in the loop about what other folk are <br> doing/planning. Are you planning to share the list here? <br><br> Someone asked about accommodation – I got a very affordable deal <br> at the hotel IBIS WTC, which seems to be practically adjacent to <br> the conference venue. <br><br> Best, <br> Lea <br><br> From: Rashmi Rangnath <<a href="mailto:rrangnath@publicknowledge.org">rrangnath@publicknowledge.org</a> <br> <a href="mailto:rrangnath@publicknowledge.org"><mailto:rrangnath@publicknowledge.org></a>> <br> Date: Wednesday, 28 November 2012 19:39 <br> To: Tim Hwang <<a href="mailto:tim@mozillafoundation.org">tim@mozillafoundation.org</a> <br> <a href="mailto:tim@mozillafoundation.org"><mailto:tim@mozillafoundation.org></a>> <br> Cc: William Drake <<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a> <br> <a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch"><mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch></a>>, Deborah Brown <br> <<a href="mailto:deborah@accessnow.org">deborah@accessnow.org</a> <a href="mailto:deborah@accessnow.org"><mailto:deborah@accessnow.org></a>>, Ellery <br> Biddle <<a href="mailto:ellery@cdt.org">ellery@cdt.org</a> <a href="mailto:ellery@cdt.org"><mailto:ellery@cdt.org></a>>, "<a href="mailto:wcit12@cdt.org">wcit12@cdt.org</a> <br> <a href="mailto:wcit12@cdt.org"><mailto:wcit12@cdt.org></a>" <<a href="mailto:wcit12@cdt.org">wcit12@cdt.org</a> <br> <a href="mailto:wcit12@cdt.org"><mailto:wcit12@cdt.org></a>>, "<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org">bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org</a> <br> <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org"><mailto:bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org></a>" <br> <<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org">bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org</a> <br> <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org"><mailto:bestbits@lists.igcaucus.org></a>>, Harold Feld <br> <<a href="mailto:hfeld@publicknowledge.org">hfeld@publicknowledge.org</a> <a href="mailto:hfeld@publicknowledge.org"><mailto:hfeld@publicknowledge.org></a>> <br> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Coordination during WCIT -- who's <br> attending, who's reporting <br><br> Al: <br><br> I and my colleague Harold Feld will be on the US delegation. <br><br> I will be in Dubai from December 9th to the14th. <br><br> Harold will be there from December 4th to the 12th. <br><br> Rashmi <br><br> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Tim Hwang <br> <<a href="mailto:tim@mozillafoundation.org">tim@mozillafoundation.org</a> <a href="mailto:tim@mozillafoundation.org"><mailto:tim@mozillafoundation.org></a>> <br> wrote: <br><br> To facilitate the on-the-ground list - I've thrown up a <br> quick Etherpad page here that people can fill in with <br> information, if it's helpful: <br> <a href="https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai">https://foundation.etherpad.mozilla.org/itudubai</a> <br><br> Password is: ITU. <br><br> -Tim <br><br><br> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM, William Drake <br> <<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a> <a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch"><mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch></a>> wrote: <br><br> Hi <br><br> FWIW I'm on a US del call right now and we just finished <br> a long briefing on security, thought I'd pass along a <br> few points of local interest while thinking it: <br><br> * expect to be constantly electronically surveilled, <br> including in hotels <br> * expect all electronic communications to be insecure, <br> particularly wireless <br> * keep any confidential info on you rather than in hotel <br> * USG has received no info on how the government might <br> react to any on-site activism of an unapproved <br> nature, and if relevant urges US citizens to let <br> State or the consulate know they'll be in town. <br><br> Make of these what you will…. <br><br> Cheers, <br><br> Bill <br><br> On Nov 28, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Deborah Brown wrote: <br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> Hi all, <br> Thanks for coordinating this Ellery/Matthew. Picking up <br> on Bill's last point, it might be helpful to include <br> people's dates in Dubai in the list to facilitate <br> coordination on the ground. I'm happy to lend a hand in <br> coordination as well. <br><br> Best, <br> Deborah <br><br> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:06 AM, William Drake <br> <<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a> <a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch"><mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch></a>> wrote: <br><br> Hi <br><br> Despite all the debate and mobilization, and ITU <br> staff's refrain that the meeting's fully <br> multistakeholder since people can simply join their <br> national delegations, a cursory scan of the <br> Announced List of Participants as of 27 November <br> shows 1764 participants, only a dozen or so that <br> seem obviously to be civil society—half on the US <br> del, the others scattered. Caveats apply: a) It <br> may be that I just don't recognize some individual <br> and organizational names so this guesstimate's a <br> little low. b) In the UN context (WSIS/IGF/CSTD <br> etc) and OECD the technical community and CS are <br> separated, so that's how I count. I see more TC <br> than CS names on the list, and while most of the <br> former work in the private sector or for <br> administrative bodies like the RIRs, there are some <br> people who are by various standards in both. c) <br> The list is being periodically updated, so there <br> may be some late registrations. All that said, the <br> number seems unlikely to be terribly high. There <br> may be more CS just coming and hanging around in <br> hopes of getting into any open to the public <br> sessions (TBD Monday), or otherwise populating the <br> hallways, than there are on the delegations. <br><br> It would be good to have a list with contact <br> details and to establish a communication channel <br> e.g. Skype/mail (although delegation members will <br> have some constraints) if Matthew wants to coordinate. <br><br> Best, <br><br> Bill <br><br> PS: The call time below may not be optimal for <br> people on dels if meetings run late (I'll be on a <br> plane). <br><br><br><br><br> On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Ellery Biddle wrote: <br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> Hi everyone, <br><br> We have been talking here at CDT about various <br> strategies for communications and coordination <br> during the WCIT. Lots to think about here. Two <br> items on this: <br><br> First: Who is going to Dubai? We /really/ want to <br> develop a list of civil society people who will be <br> in Dubai for the conference. We think it would be <br> helpful for those attending WCIT to know what <br> other CS people will be there, and to develop a <br> rough plan for coordinating once they are in <br> Dubai. Matthew Shears, ISOC's former policy <br> director who has been working on ITU issues with <br> CDT, will be in Dubai on CDT's behalf. He will not <br> be affiliated with any delegation. *If you or <br> someone from your organization is going to be in <br> Dubai (with or without delegate status), and you'd <br> like to be in touch with other civil society folks <br> there, please send Matthew an email letting him <br> know. Matthew's email: <a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a> <br> <a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org"><mailto:mshears@cdt.org></a>* <br><br> Second: How can we coordinate on public <br> communication about the WCIT? We know that many <br> CSOs will be blogging, tweeting, and responding to <br> press inquiries about the WCIT as it's happening. <br> Given the relatively closed nature of the event, <br> we know that it may be difficult to get the <br> information we need in order to do this well, and <br> that some coordination between groups may help <br> fill this gap. We also anticipate that rumors and <br> misinformation may become an issue, as different <br> delegates may hear different things, etc. In <br> anticipation of this, we want to propose a group <br> call for next week. This will be open to any civil <br> society groups planning to report on WCIT, either <br> from Dubai or from outside the UAE. Given the size <br> of these lists, I am setting an arbitrary (though <br> early, which generally seems best) time and date <br> for the call. Hope that plenty of folks can join <br> -- we'll take and circulate good notes for those <br> who can't make it. <br><br> *The call will take place on Tuesday, December 4 <br> at 16:00 UTC / 11:00 EST. *A list of international <br> toll-free call-in numbers is attached. I will <br> circulate this again, along with a reminder, on <br> Monday. <br><br> As always, please feel encouraged to reply to the <br> list with additional ideas, questions, etc. <br><br> Thanks all! <br><br> Ellery <br><br> Ellery Roberts Biddle <br> Center for Democracy and Technology <a href="http://cdt.org/"><http://cdt.org/></a> <br> (415) 814-1711 <<a href="tel:%28415%29%20814-1711">tel:%28415%29%20814-1711</a>> <br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br><br> -- Deborah Brown <br> Policy Analyst <br> Access | AccessNow.org <a href="http://AccessNow.org"><http://AccessNow.org></a> <br> E. <a href="mailto:deborah@accessnow.org">deborah@accessnow.org</a> <a href="mailto:deborah@accessnow.org"><mailto:deborah@accessnow.org></a> <br> S. deborah.l.brown <br> T. deblebrown <br> PGP 0x5EB4727D <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br><br><br> -- Rashmi Rangnath <br> Director, Global Knowledge Initiative and Staff Attorney <br> Public Knowledge <br> 1818 N Street NW <br> Suite 410 <br> Washington, D.C. 20036 <br> 202 861 0020 <<a href="tel:202%20861%200020">tel:202%20861%200020</a>> <br> <a href="mailto:rrangnath@publicknowledge.org">rrangnath@publicknowledge.org</a> <a href="mailto:rrangnath@publicknowledge.org"><mailto:rrangnath@publicknowledge.org></a> <br> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br> -- Emma J. 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