[governance] DMP} Draft letter text - IGC consensus process

Mon Oct 14 15:27:32 EDT 2013

Thanks John.

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> On Oct 15, 2013, at 3:18 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
> 
> IGC Folks - 
> 
> I have view on IGC sending a letter or not (as I'm on this list primarily as a
> informational resource to your efforts.)
> 
> With respect to planning efforts for the Brazil/ICANN Summit, I am not aware 
> of any activities at this time; if ARIN receives communications on same, I will 
> forward it to this list (or ask that it be sent here if not able to forward it myself.)
> 
> FYI,
> /John
> 
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> ARIN
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2013, at 4:14 PM, Lee W McKnight <lmcknigh at syr.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Sala,
>> 
>> "ask for the scope of such a meeting and find out intended objectives" is I suggest wrong tone; cs is not a supplicant but a player which can help set the agenda and define the scope and objectives.
>> 
>> But yes certainly learning more of current status of planning over a cup of coffee is a good move.
>> 
>> Lee
>> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] on behalf of Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro [salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 3:02 AM
>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Norbert Bollow
>> Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; McTim; JFC Morfin; Anriette Esterhuysen; Ian Peter
>> Subject: Re: [governance] DMP} Draft letter text - IGC consensus process
>> 
>> My personal view is to omit from credit neither organization nor nation. Civil society is already on record via the previous letter. 
>> 
>> We need to stick to alerting them of the need for inclusion and civil society participation. This will give is a neutral position. At this stage, civil society needs to be neutral until we are fully aware of the scope of such a meeting.
>> 
>> What certainly needs to happen is that we need to ask for the scope of such a meeting and find out intended objectives. We could also secure a meeting in Brazil where we could discuss this informally over coffee in Bali.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> > On Oct 12, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
>> > 
>> > McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 7:20 PM, JFC Morfin <jefsey at jefsey.com> wrote:
>> >> [..]
>> >> What I want is to speak the truth.
>> >> 
>> >> As you yourself said above:
>> >> 
>> >>> "It is exact that the summit was said to have been proposed by Fadi
>> >>> and accepted by Dilma."
>> > 
>> > Let's use language that credits both ICANN and Brazil for the
>> > initiative, and which mentions the government of Brazil in the more
>> > prominent first spot. 
>> > 
>> > Logically, saying “initiative of the government of Brazil and the
>> > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)” is exactly
>> > as accurate as it is to put ICANN first, regardless of whose idea is
>> > was initially.
>> > 
>> > I think that there are several good reasons for mentioning the
>> > government of Brazil first:
>> > 
>> > * While the specific proposal of going forward by means of such an
>> >  event has come from ICANN, overall what has set this whole thing in
>> >  motion was the Brazilian president's speech at the UN GA.
>> > 
>> > * We're writing to the Brazilian government, which is the party that
>> >  we as civil society need to communicate to in order to get included.
>> >  There is no risk of anyone from the ICANN side doing anything to lock
>> >  anyone out from this process. If civil society gets locked out, that
>> >  will be an action of government bureaucrats who either have unhealthy
>> >  connections to telecom business people with a pre-Internet mindset, or
>> >  who have a pre-Internet telecom mindset themselves. We're seeking to
>> >  prevent this by writing to someone with the power to prevent this from
>> >  happening. It is IMO only polite to mention the addressee's role in
>> >  the initiative first. If the letter is perceived as impolite or
>> >  even offensive, which could easily happen if a non-government entity
>> >  is mentioned more prominently or more respectfully than the
>> >  governmental addressee of the letter, that's certainly make it less
>> >  likely to achieve our goal.
>> > 
>> > * Ultimately what counts in moving this plan forward is the power
>> >  to attract state actors to a high-level event. This power is in the
>> >  hands of the Brazilian government. From this perspective, I think
>> >  that the media reports are 100% accurate who put it as an initiative
>> >  of the Brazilian president that she has decided to undertake on the
>> >  basis of having informed herself well (which she did by means of
>> >  talking with someone of great and widely recognized specific
>> >  expertise in Internet governance).
>> > 
>> > Greetings,
>> > Norbert
>> > 
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