<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Thanks John.<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Oct 15, 2013, at 3:18 AM, John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net">jcurran@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div>I have view on IGC sending a letter or not (as I'm on this list primarily as a</div>
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<div>With respect to planning efforts for the Brazil/ICANN Summit, I am not aware </div>
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<div>forward it to this list (or ask that it be sent here if not able to forward it myself.)</div>
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<div>FYI,</div>
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<div>On Oct 13, 2013, at 4:14 PM, Lee W McKnight <<a href="mailto:lmcknigh@syr.edu">lmcknigh@syr.edu</a>> wrote:</div>
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"<font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">ask for the scope of such a meeting and find out intended objectives" is I suggest wrong tone; cs is not a supplicant but a player which can help set the agenda and define the scope and objectives.<br>
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But yes certainly learning more of current status of planning over a cup of coffee is a good move.<br>
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on behalf of Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro [<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, October 12, 2013 3:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; Norbert Bollow<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; McTim; JFC Morfin; Anriette Esterhuysen; Ian Peter<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [governance] DMP} Draft letter text - IGC consensus process<br>
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<div class="BodyFragment"><font size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">My personal view is to omit from credit neither organization nor nation. Civil society is already on record via the previous letter. <br>
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We need to stick to alerting them of the need for inclusion and civil society participation. This will give is a neutral position. At this stage, civil society needs to be neutral until we are fully aware of the scope of such a meeting.<br>
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What certainly needs to happen is that we need to ask for the scope of such a meeting and find out intended objectives. We could also secure a meeting in Brazil where we could discuss this informally over coffee in Bali.<br>
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> On Oct 12, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>> wrote:<br>
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> McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 7:20 PM, JFC Morfin <<a href="mailto:jefsey@jefsey.com">jefsey@jefsey.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> [..]<br>
>> What I want is to speak the truth.<br>
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>> As you yourself said above:<br>
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>>> "It is exact that the summit was said to have been proposed by Fadi<br>
>>> and accepted by Dilma."<br>
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> Let's use language that credits both ICANN and Brazil for the<br>
> initiative, and which mentions the government of Brazil in the more<br>
> prominent first spot. <br>
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> Logically, saying “initiative of the government of Brazil and the<br>
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)” is exactly<br>
> as accurate as it is to put ICANN first, regardless of whose idea is<br>
> was initially.<br>
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> I think that there are several good reasons for mentioning the<br>
> government of Brazil first:<br>
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> * While the specific proposal of going forward by means of such an<br>
> event has come from ICANN, overall what has set this whole thing in<br>
> motion was the Brazilian president's speech at the UN GA.<br>
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> * We're writing to the Brazilian government, which is the party that<br>
> we as civil society need to communicate to in order to get included.<br>
> There is no risk of anyone from the ICANN side doing anything to lock<br>
> anyone out from this process. If civil society gets locked out, that<br>
> will be an action of government bureaucrats who either have unhealthy<br>
> connections to telecom business people with a pre-Internet mindset, or<br>
> who have a pre-Internet telecom mindset themselves. We're seeking to<br>
> prevent this by writing to someone with the power to prevent this from<br>
> happening. It is IMO only polite to mention the addressee's role in<br>
> the initiative first. If the letter is perceived as impolite or<br>
> even offensive, which could easily happen if a non-government entity<br>
> is mentioned more prominently or more respectfully than the<br>
> governmental addressee of the letter, that's certainly make it less<br>
> likely to achieve our goal.<br>
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> * Ultimately what counts in moving this plan forward is the power<br>
> to attract state actors to a high-level event. This power is in the<br>
> hands of the Brazilian government. From this perspective, I think<br>
> that the media reports are 100% accurate who put it as an initiative<br>
> of the Brazilian president that she has decided to undertake on the<br>
> basis of having informed herself well (which she did by means of<br>
> talking with someone of great and widely recognized specific<br>
> expertise in Internet governance).<br>
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> Greetings,<br>
> Norbert<br>
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