[governance] Clinton Admits: "Free" Trade is Harmful to 3rd

[Eric Dierker]

Again the practice of deciding whether or not a statement is good and of value comes down to who said it -- rather than if the idea is good.  When we say "it is a Nation of Laws and not of men" we say a mouthfull. When instead of hearing a message we see the company a man keeps rather than the truth of the words spoken we do great disservice to logic.

--- On Tue, 4/6/10, Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:


From: Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca>
Subject: Re: [governance] Clinton Admits: "Free" Trade is Harmful to 3rd
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com>
Cc: "Parminder" <parminder at itforchange.net>
Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 10:35 AM


McTim, I undertand your computer programmer approach to recognizing CSs,
but please at least do a small additional step, recognizing there are
major differences (in representation, in actual mission and practices,
in allegiance to certain interests etc) among entities which are
formally registered as non-profits.

--c.a.

McTim wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>>> BTW, methinks that you might want to (in the interest of full
>>> disclosure) let us know if you are still under contract with the ITU
>>> in re: IP address distribution issues.
>> McTim
>>
>> I am touched by your concern for conflict of interest issues :).
>>
>> In fact very often I do think of the basis of legitimacy of civil society
>> and I find issues of transparency, responding to critiques and other
>> questions immediately and always, accountability, proof of action/
>> performance vis a vis ideals upheld etc as key in this regard. 'Conflict of
>> interest' issues are very important here, and very high standards of
>> disclosure must be maintained. As importantly, structural situations of any
>> such conflicts of interests should be avoided, and in any case openly
>> discussed, and responded to.
>>
>> However, I do find it strange and incongruous that whenever we have tried to
>> discuss on this list conflict of interest issues implicating people in
>> important management positions of bodies  involved in Internet policy-making
>> seeking to represent civil society, you have repeatedly taken up the defence
>> such practises, and pooh poohed considerations of conflict of interest. Can
>> you please explain the double standards being employed by you in this
>> regard.
> 
> As I have explained many times before, I see the current IG orgs
> (ICANN/IETF/ISOC/RIRs/ccTLD bodies, etc as CS orgs.  At least
> according to LSE and Wikipoedia and most other definitions of CS I can
> find online.
> 
> 
> 
>> It is important to note that the issue you point out in this case is just a
>> possible one-off contract of research/ study etc (though I agree with your
>> demand for full disclosure) , while the practices you have defended pertains
>> to people actually occupying key permanent positions in Internet policy
>> making bodies, whereby they are organisationally bond to represent the
>> interests of their employing organisation.
> 
> 
> exactly, they are bound to represent their CS orgs.  Just as you
> represent yours.
> 

-- 

Carlos A. Afonso
CGI.br (www.cgi.br)
Nupef (www.nupef.org.br)
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