<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Again the practice of deciding whether or not a statement is good and of value comes down to who said it -- rather than if the idea is good. When we say "it is a Nation of Laws and not of men" we say a mouthfull. When instead of hearing a message we see the company a man keeps rather than the truth of the words spoken we do great disservice to logic.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 4/6/10, Carlos A. Afonso <I><ca@cafonso.ca></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Carlos A. Afonso <ca@cafonso.ca><BR>Subject: Re: [governance] Clinton Admits: "Free" Trade is Harmful to 3rd<BR>To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, "McTim" <dogwallah@gmail.com><BR>Cc: "Parminder" <parminder@itforchange.net><BR>Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 10:35 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>McTim, I undertand your computer programmer approach to recognizing CSs,<BR>but please at least do a small additional step, recognizing there are<BR>major differences (in representation, in actual mission and practices,<BR>in allegiance to certain interests etc) among entities which are<BR>formally registered as non-profits.<BR><BR>--c.a.<BR><BR>McTim wrote:<BR>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Parminder <<A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=parminder@itforchange.net" ymailto="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</A>> wrote:<BR>>>> BTW, methinks that you might want to (in the interest of full<BR>>>> disclosure) let us know if you are still under contract with the ITU<BR>>>> in re: IP address distribution issues.<BR>>> McTim<BR>>><BR>>> I am touched by your concern for conflict of interest issues :).<BR>>><BR>>> In fact very often
I do think of the basis of legitimacy of civil society<BR>>> and I find issues of transparency, responding to critiques and other<BR>>> questions immediately and always, accountability, proof of action/<BR>>> performance vis a vis ideals upheld etc as key in this regard. 'Conflict of<BR>>> interest' issues are very important here, and very high standards of<BR>>> disclosure must be maintained. As importantly, structural situations of any<BR>>> such conflicts of interests should be avoided, and in any case openly<BR>>> discussed, and responded to.<BR>>><BR>>> However, I do find it strange and incongruous that whenever we have tried to<BR>>> discuss on this list conflict of interest issues implicating people in<BR>>> important management positions of bodies involved in Internet policy-making<BR>>> seeking to represent civil society, you have repeatedly taken up the
defence<BR>>> such practises, and pooh poohed considerations of conflict of interest. Can<BR>>> you please explain the double standards being employed by you in this<BR>>> regard.<BR>> <BR>> As I have explained many times before, I see the current IG orgs<BR>> (ICANN/IETF/ISOC/RIRs/ccTLD bodies, etc as CS orgs. At least<BR>> according to LSE and Wikipoedia and most other definitions of CS I can<BR>> find online.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>> It is important to note that the issue you point out in this case is just a<BR>>> possible one-off contract of research/ study etc (though I agree with your<BR>>> demand for full disclosure) , while the practices you have defended pertains<BR>>> to people actually occupying key permanent positions in Internet policy<BR>>> making bodies, whereby they are organisationally bond to represent the<BR>>> interests of their employing
organisation.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> exactly, they are bound to represent their CS orgs. Just as you<BR>> represent yours.<BR>> <BR><BR>-- <BR><BR>Carlos A. Afonso<BR>CGI.br (www.cgi.br)<BR>Nupef (www.nupef.org.br)<BR>====================================<BR>new/nuevo/novo e-mail: <A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ca@cafonso.ca" ymailto="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca">ca@cafonso.ca</A><BR>====================================<BR>____________________________________________________________<BR>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<BR> <A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org" ymailto="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A><BR>To be removed from the list, send any message to:<BR> <A href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org"
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