[Fwd: [governance] Workshop proposal - Internationalisation of
Parminder
parminder at itforchange.net
Tue Apr 14 09:48:57 EDT 2009
Milton L Mueller wrote:
> There is another, deeper problem with Parminder's formulation. When we
> talk about "participative political governance" we need to explicitly
> recognize that "democratic" governance must always take place within a
> framework of protected rights of individuals. Majorities can be as
> oppressive as unaccountable tyrants, we all know. So while I prefer
> Parminder's reference to "participative political governance by all
> people of the world" to vague references to "multistakeholderism" I
> think that will sound threatening to many people unless we also make
> it clear that such governance is limited and contained by rights and
> freedoms _from_ governance in the appropriate areas.
I very much agree with the substance of your posting. However, when I
mention 'democratic' in the title itself i think it obviously includes
the nunace and evovled meaning of democracy as generaly understood -
which included constitutionalism (that is why we advocate for adopting
Internet rights and principles), human rights, structured participation
etc - it is not about simple tyranny of numbers.
>take place within a framework of protected rights of individuals.
Human rights is the accepted term, in all its nuances that we have
argued often about and disagreed :) . I am quite happy with adding
'human rights framework' to the present proposed text. Building on the
text I proposed in my last email, it can be something like
"One thing however is clear by now; the Internet is not just a technical
artifact, requiring technical governance with regard to keeping it
running smoothly, but a key socio-political phenomenon requiring
participative political governance by all people of the world, ensured
through multi-stakeholder models, and adopting human rights frameworks."
parminder
>
> Milton Mueller
> Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies
> XS4All Professor, Delft University of Technology
> ------------------------------
> Internet Governance Project:
> http://internetgovernance.org <http://internetgovernance.org/>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Ian Peter [mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2009 1:39 AM
> *To:* 'Parminder'; governance at lists.cpsr.org
> *Subject:* RE: [Fwd: [governance] Workshop proposal -
> Internationalisation of IG
>
> Parminder, my problems with the way you have phrased this is below.
>
> The wording "Participative political governance by all people of
> the world, who are all implicated" will, I think, lead to an
> argument that the appropriate participative structures for all
> people are governments, and sovereign states are the basic
> building blocks for people's participation in internet
> governance (and so the rest of you can go home!) Unless we have
> strong arguments - which we do - that other players such as
> private sector and CS need to be represented separately because of
> the nature of their structures and their avenues for richer levels
> of participation.
>
> I dont think we are far apart here but we do need some appropriate
> wording. How about
>
>
> One thing however is clear by now; the Internet is not just a
> technical artifact, requiring technical governance with regard to
> keeping it running smoothly,
> but a key socio-political phenomenon. This requires participative
> political involvement of all people, including civil society,
> private sector and governmental actors in multistakeholder
> governance structures
>
>
>
>
> Ian Peter
>
> PO Box 429
>
> Bangalow NSW 2479
>
> Australia
>
> Tel (+614) 1966 7772 or (+612) 6687 0773
>
> www.ianpeter.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Parminder [mailto:parminder at itforchange.net]
> *Sent:* 13 April 2009 14:14
> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; Ian Peter
> *Subject:* Re: [Fwd: [governance] Workshop proposal -
> Internationalisation of IG
>
>
>
> Ian Peter wrote:
>> Thanks Parminder - one small suggested change
>>
>> >One thing however is clear by now; the Internet is not just a
>> technical artifact, requiring technical governance with
>> regard to keeping it running smoothly,
>> > but a key socio-political phenomenon requiring participative
>> political governance [by all people of the world, who are all
>> implicated]
>>
>> Can I suggest replacing the bracketed words with " involving
>> civil society, private sector and governmental actors in
>> multistakeholder governance structures
>>
>>
>> How does that sit?
>>
> Ian,
>
> Frankly, I believe that the basic political purpose is to get
> equal political representation of all people and all sections
> of people, of the world. Multistakeholderism is *only a
> means*, to the extent it does achieve the purpose, of ensuring
> that such participation is in fact achieved. I have great
> issues in mentioning multistakeholderism *instead of*
> participation of all people. Such a stance underlies a new
> political ideology that is taking strong roots in the world,
> which in my view is essentially anti-democratic. I have no
> problem with *also* mentioning multistakeholderism along with
> political participation of people of the world.
>
> regards
>
> Parminder
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ian Peter
>>
>> PO Box 429
>>
>> Bangalow NSW 2479
>>
>> Australia
>>
>> Tel (+614) 1966 7772 or (+612) 6687 0773
>>
>> www.ianpeter.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Parminder [mailto:parminder at itforchange.net]
>> *Sent:* 13 April 2009 13:07
>> *To:* 'governance at lists.cpsr.org'
>> *Subject:* [Fwd: [governance] Workshop proposal -
>> Internationalisation of IG
>>
>>
>> This is an attempted draft for the proposed
>> internationalisation workshop.
>>
>> *Title*
>>
>> *
>> Democratic internationalization of Internet Governance -
>> The way forward from where we stand today
>> <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-->
>> <!--[endif]-->*
>>
>> *Concise description (up to 200 words)*
>>
>> *
>> *As the Internet becomes a key factor of reorganizing our
>> social structures, and doing so at a global level as
>> never before, democratic global governance of the
>> Internet is a pressing imperative. Its present governance
>> structures grew out of certain historical contexts, as
>> well as of some new socio-political realities around the
>> Internet. In the context of rapid changes that the
>> Internet has wrought, the key and emerging issues related
>> to its governance, and the correspondingly legitimate
>> governance arrangements, could not have been anticipated
>> by anyone. One thing however is clear by now; the
>> Internet is not just a technical artifact, requiring
>> technical governance with regard to keeping it running
>> smoothly, but a key socio-political phenomenon requiring
>> participative political governance by all people of the
>> world, who are all implicated. However, the direction we
>> move in from here depends on where we stand. It is
>> important to analyze the needs of evolution and
>> internationalization of IG from these dual standpoints.
>>
>>
>> The workshop will seek to discuss some real institutional
>> possibilities of what to do next, possibly presenting and
>> analyzing alternative models, along with the advantages
>> and disadvantages of each. * *
>>
>> *
>> Relates to theme -- *IG, CIRs
>>
>> **
>> *Who would you approach as co-organizers ? Or who do you
>> think should organize it?*
>>
>>
>> It is best that this workshop is organized by civil
>> society actors. IG Caucus will like to organize this
>> workshop, along with some civil society organizations
>> form the North and South that have shown interest.
>>
>>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.igcaucus.org/pipermail/governance/attachments/20090414/a9778c2a/attachment.htm>
-------------- next part --------------
____________________________________________________________
You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
governance at lists.cpsr.org
To be removed from the list, send any message to:
governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org
For all list information and functions, see:
http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance
More information about the Governance
mailing list