From joly at punkcast.com  Thu May  2 10:28:35 2019
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 10:28:35 -0400
Subject: [governance] WEBCAST THU-FRI: 15th Caribbean Internet Governance
 Forum #CIGF2019
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk2kE-GtSC+txZLBcKqwzLnCB_T+7EzMcJrxZLK6TyWKxA@mail.gmail.com>

The longest running annual IGF is underway. Introductions are just about
done and the first multistakeholder panel will examine the tricky topic
'Imperatives and Contemporary Approaches for Effective Management or
Regulation of Social Media'

[image: livestream]
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/cigf2019>Today* Thursday
2nd May* to tomorrow *Friday 3rd May 2019* the *15th annual Caribbean
Internet Governance Forum
<https://www.ctu.int/event/15th-caribbean-internet-governance-forum/>*
(CIGF2019)
organized by the* Caribbean Telecommunications Union
<https://www.ctu.int/> *(CTU) is taking place in *Trinidad and Tobago.* The
longest running IGF in the world, as a part of the CTU’s wider *30th
Anniversary Week <https://www.ctu.int/event/30th-anniversary-celebration/>*,
CIGF 2019 has the theme '*Planning and sustaining the future development of
Caribbean Internet Governance*' and will address contemporary topics such
as data protection, network and service resilience and appropriate policies
for navigating this age of social media. However, consistent with the
headlined theme, there will be a special focus on enabling sustainability
of the CIGF in its roles as the Caribbean’s primary multistakeholder
consensus-building forum on IG matters, in fostering the development of
national IGFs and in strengthening liaisons with wider regional, extra
regional and global IGFs. The event will be webcast live via the *Internet
Society Livestream Channel <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/>*.

*VIEW ON LIVESTREAM: https://livestream.com/internetsociety/cigf2019
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/cigf2019>*
*VIEW ON YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/user/TheCtunion/videos
<https://www.youtube.com/user/TheCtunion/videos>*
*VIEW ON
FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/pg/CaribbeanTelecommunicationsUnion/videos/
<https://www.facebook.com/pg/CaribbeanTelecommunicationsUnion/videos/>*
*PROVISIONAL AGENDA: http://bit.ly/2Wkm6iA <http://bit.ly/2Wkm6iA>*
*TWITTER #CIGF2019 https://bit.ly/cigf2019 <https://bit.ly/cigf2019> |
#15CIGF http://bit.ly/2Wi6zjl <http://bit.ly/2Wi6zjl>*

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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Wed May  8 09:27:32 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (sivasubramanian muthusamy (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 18:57:32 +0530
Subject: [governance] IGF 2019 Workshop Evaluation process
In-Reply-To: <CABDXvWpNgNDb7UKQTwL13kp0YPzt1bDHjeYJKrpGe8cEMo1VkQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABDXvWpNgNDb7UKQTwL13kp0YPzt1bDHjeYJKrpGe8cEMo1VkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKsgsGyejUjxg2rfHLmqvDzkHqKGZL9F0Zff3xLRW-jPZP0fRA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 8, 2019, 6:42 PM Arsène Tungali <governance at lists.riseup.net>
wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> Just wanted to throw this outta here.
>
> At the MAG, we are evaluating workshop proposals (the initial phase)
> and this goes until  May 12th. This is a tough job!
>
> I remember last year, there were a lot of unhappy people based on the
> results of the evaluation. What did the MAG do wrong last year?
>
> Can you share what were some of the frustrations that came out of the
> process last year? I know it might be late (or maybe not?) but if we
> can quickly discuss here, I am happy to consider some of your inputs
> and share to fellow MAG members.
>

Marginal errors in workshop evaluation
are unavoidable. But the MAG could ensure that there is no orchestrated
bias in the process towards or against a certain school of thought.

Sivasubramanian M

>
> Regards,
> Arsene
>
> ----------------------
> **Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
> GPG: 523644A0
>
> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
> <
>
> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
> >
>
> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF MAG
> <https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Wed May  8 10:09:06 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 10:09:06 -0400
Subject: [governance] IGF 2019 Workshop Evaluation process
In-Reply-To: <CAKsgsGyejUjxg2rfHLmqvDzkHqKGZL9F0Zff3xLRW-jPZP0fRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABDXvWpNgNDb7UKQTwL13kp0YPzt1bDHjeYJKrpGe8cEMo1VkQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKsgsGyejUjxg2rfHLmqvDzkHqKGZL9F0Zff3xLRW-jPZP0fRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvAVAZhTB2723DvcMga_+S1H4ZG5rFrTGrnCCZEMpi+C3g@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for asking Arsene

I wrote a blog last year where I enumerated the problems with the
evaluation process. I copy paste the relevant section here.

*MAG and its curious approach to workshop selection*
Coming up with conference programs in a highly politicized environment such
as the United Nations is not an easy task, especially for an event like the
IGF where inclusion and diversity are fundamental and rightly important.
Naturally, there were always problems with shaping the program, deciding on
which sessions be included and what topics to be discussed. There was
always a tendency to give some space to sessions that don’t really engage
with Internet governance. But the IGF agenda is now at a stage of crisis.
In the early days of the IGF when the globally inclusive multistakeholder
concept was still largely unique, and it was gaining popularity, and when
people could still remember why they convened IGF, there was some kind of
order in the chaos of selection. IGF MAG could accept all of the proposals,
merge a few and let the participants decide on the sessions they wanted to
attend. MAG in those early years would not dictate the agenda and what
should be discussed to the extent that it does now.
But over the time, there was a change. Due to lack of resources and an
increase in the number of session proposals, MAG’s role became more
prominent in selecting the sessions and in shaping the agenda. That is when
it started to get more complicated. Perhaps it didn’t help that IGF works
under the auspices of the UN Department of Economic and Social Affairs
(UNDESA), and the MAG members are appointed more or less by UNDESA. Within
the UN, UNDESA is the agency that “holds up the development pillar of the
UN.” Is UNDESA influencing the IGF?
This year, to be more inclusive, MAG asked the public what it wanted to be
discussed at IGF. The response is summarized in this document.
<https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/6701/1279>
According to the summary, twenty-two percent of the respondents wanted to
talk about cybersecurity, trust, and privacy; only seventeen percent
submitted digital inclusion and accessibility. And the rest was about other
topics. The results of the MAG process show a marked bias. Twenty-two
percent of the proposals received by MAG were about cybersecurity,  but
only twelve percent ended up in the top forty ranked proposals. In
contrast, only thirteen percent of the proposals received by MAG were about
digital inclusion and accessibility, yet thirty-two percent of the top
forty ranked workshops were about digital inclusion. This was highlighted
by *IGF Secretariat during MAG deliberations:
<https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2018-second-open-consultations-and-mag-meeting-day-1>*

“But then if you look at the top 40 proposals, there is some deviation from
what the most popular themes were in those …two other pools of proposals.
We have as the most represented theme digital inclusion when in the overall
proposal pool and the call for issues it was clearly cybersecurity. And
then following from that technical and operational topics, emerging
technologies, cybersecurity, development, innovation and economic issues,
evolution of Internet governance, and then human rights as last.”

How did this happen? This year the MAG’s working group on workshop
selection decided to assign each MAG member to a theme that the member had
expertise in and was more comfortable with. And they could reduce the
number of evaluated workshops by each MAG member because apparently, it’s
too difficult for one person to evaluate so many proposals. Some of the
deliberations and questions that have been raised about this issue among
MAG members *can be found at this archive list.
<http://intgovforum.org/pipermail/wgwseval_intgovforum.org>*

The problem with this method of evaluation is apparent. It prevents MAG
members from various stakeholder groups to assess the proposals
objectively. Even though the secretariat assigned an equal number of
members to each theme (and presumably considered stakeholder balance)
<https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/2018-igf-mag-virtual-meeting-vii-0>,
some proposals did not have more than three evaluators on the day of the
evaluation deadline. The Secretariat asked the MAG to do more evaluation
since 13 proposals had only 3 evaluations
<https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/2018-igf-mag-virtual-meeting-viii-0>
.


https://www.internetgovernance.org/2018/10/29/igf-embracing-inclusion-excluding-internet-governance/
Farzaneh


On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 9:28 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2019, 6:42 PM Arsène Tungali <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> Just wanted to throw this outta here.
>>
>> At the MAG, we are evaluating workshop proposals (the initial phase)
>> and this goes until  May 12th. This is a tough job!
>>
>> I remember last year, there were a lot of unhappy people based on the
>> results of the evaluation. What did the MAG do wrong last year?
>>
>> Can you share what were some of the frustrations that came out of the
>> process last year? I know it might be late (or maybe not?) but if we
>> can quickly discuss here, I am happy to consider some of your inputs
>> and share to fellow MAG members.
>>
>
> Marginal errors in workshop evaluation
> are unavoidable. But the MAG could ensure that there is no orchestrated
> bias in the process towards or against a certain school of thought.
>
> Sivasubramanian M
>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Arsene
>>
>> ----------------------
>> **Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
>> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
>> GPG: 523644A0
>>
>> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
>> <
>>
>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
>> >
>>
>> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF MAG
>> <https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
>> ---
>> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
>> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
>>
> ---
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Wed May  8 11:14:44 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Michael ILISHEBO (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 16:14:44 +0100
Subject: [governance] IGF 2019 Workshop Evaluation process
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvAVAZhTB2723DvcMga_+S1H4ZG5rFrTGrnCCZEMpi+C3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABDXvWpNgNDb7UKQTwL13kp0YPzt1bDHjeYJKrpGe8cEMo1VkQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKsgsGyejUjxg2rfHLmqvDzkHqKGZL9F0Zff3xLRW-jPZP0fRA@mail.gmail.com> <CAN1qJvAVAZhTB2723DvcMga_+S1H4ZG5rFrTGrnCCZEMpi+C3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGabp=iZLS6hA85=oQOKVZkjmF7n8HMisF_8OkLSzk-kMV0qPg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Arsene,

In 2018, the IGF Hosted by the French Government was 3 days and not the
traditional 5 days (Day 0 inclusive).  The 03 days IGF indirectly affected
the number of workshop proposals selected.


*Michael L. Ilishebo,*

*Lusaka, Zambia*
*Digital Forensic Analyst -* Zambia Police Service*  | *
*UN IGF MAG Member ( 2017 -19)  | AU IGF MAG Member (2019 - 20)*
*ICANN* GAC PSWG Member * | **ICANN *Fellow/Mentor  |*  Alumni - *African
School on Internet Governance (2014)
Work Email :
* ilishebomichael at zambiapolice.org.zm <ilishebomichael at zambiapolice.org.zm>*
Contact* : +260965361255*



*Social Media Handles*

*Twitter: @ilishebo*

*Skype: michael.ilishebo*




*"walk a mile,for a while,with a smile"*


On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 3:10 PM farzaneh badii <governance at lists.riseup.net>
wrote:

> Thanks for asking Arsene
>
> I wrote a blog last year where I enumerated the problems with the
> evaluation process. I copy paste the relevant section here.
>
> *MAG and its curious approach to workshop selection*
> Coming up with conference programs in a highly politicized environment
> such as the United Nations is not an easy task, especially for an event
> like the IGF where inclusion and diversity are fundamental and rightly
> important. Naturally, there were always problems with shaping the program,
> deciding on which sessions be included and what topics to be discussed.
> There was always a tendency to give some space to sessions that don’t
> really engage with Internet governance. But the IGF agenda is now at a
> stage of crisis. In the early days of the IGF when the globally inclusive
> multistakeholder concept was still largely unique, and it was gaining
> popularity, and when people could still remember why they convened IGF,
> there was some kind of order in the chaos of selection. IGF MAG could
> accept all of the proposals, merge a few and let the participants decide on
> the sessions they wanted to attend. MAG in those early years would not
> dictate the agenda and what should be discussed to the extent that it does
> now.
> But over the time, there was a change. Due to lack of resources and an
> increase in the number of session proposals, MAG’s role became more
> prominent in selecting the sessions and in shaping the agenda. That is when
> it started to get more complicated. Perhaps it didn’t help that IGF works
> under the auspices of the UN Department of Economic and Social Affairs
> (UNDESA), and the MAG members are appointed more or less by UNDESA. Within
> the UN, UNDESA is the agency that “holds up the development pillar of the
> UN.” Is UNDESA influencing the IGF?
> This year, to be more inclusive, MAG asked the public what it wanted to be
> discussed at IGF. The response is summarized in this document.
> <https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/6701/1279>
> According to the summary, twenty-two percent of the respondents wanted to
> talk about cybersecurity, trust, and privacy; only seventeen percent
> submitted digital inclusion and accessibility. And the rest was about other
> topics. The results of the MAG process show a marked bias. Twenty-two
> percent of the proposals received by MAG were about cybersecurity,  but
> only twelve percent ended up in the top forty ranked proposals. In
> contrast, only thirteen percent of the proposals received by MAG were about
> digital inclusion and accessibility, yet thirty-two percent of the top
> forty ranked workshops were about digital inclusion. This was highlighted
> by *IGF Secretariat during MAG deliberations:
> <https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2018-second-open-consultations-and-mag-meeting-day-1>*
>
> “But then if you look at the top 40 proposals, there is some deviation
> from what the most popular themes were in those …two other pools of
> proposals.  We have as the most represented theme digital inclusion when in
> the overall proposal pool and the call for issues it was clearly
> cybersecurity. And then following from that technical and operational
> topics, emerging technologies, cybersecurity, development, innovation and
> economic issues, evolution of Internet governance, and then human rights as
> last.”
>
> How did this happen? This year the MAG’s working group on workshop
> selection decided to assign each MAG member to a theme that the member had
> expertise in and was more comfortable with. And they could reduce the
> number of evaluated workshops by each MAG member because apparently, it’s
> too difficult for one person to evaluate so many proposals. Some of the
> deliberations and questions that have been raised about this issue among
> MAG members *can be found at this archive list.
> <http://intgovforum.org/pipermail/wgwseval_intgovforum.org>*
>
> The problem with this method of evaluation is apparent. It prevents MAG
> members from various stakeholder groups to assess the proposals
> objectively. Even though the secretariat assigned an equal number of
> members to each theme (and presumably considered stakeholder balance)
> <https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/2018-igf-mag-virtual-meeting-vii-0>,
> some proposals did not have more than three evaluators on the day of the
> evaluation deadline. The Secretariat asked the MAG to do more evaluation
> since 13 proposals had only 3 evaluations
> <https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/2018-igf-mag-virtual-meeting-viii-0>
> .
>
>
>
> https://www.internetgovernance.org/2018/10/29/igf-embracing-inclusion-excluding-internet-governance/
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 9:28 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 8, 2019, 6:42 PM Arsène Tungali <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> Just wanted to throw this outta here.
>>>
>>> At the MAG, we are evaluating workshop proposals (the initial phase)
>>> and this goes until  May 12th. This is a tough job!
>>>
>>> I remember last year, there were a lot of unhappy people based on the
>>> results of the evaluation. What did the MAG do wrong last year?
>>>
>>> Can you share what were some of the frustrations that came out of the
>>> process last year? I know it might be late (or maybe not?) but if we
>>> can quickly discuss here, I am happy to consider some of your inputs
>>> and share to fellow MAG members.
>>>
>>
>> Marginal errors in workshop evaluation
>> are unavoidable. But the MAG could ensure that there is no orchestrated
>> bias in the process towards or against a certain school of thought.
>>
>> Sivasubramanian M
>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Arsene
>>>
>>> ----------------------
>>> **Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
>>> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>>
>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
>>> <
>>>
>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
>>> >
>>>
>>> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF MAG
>>> <https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
>>> ---
>>> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
>>> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
>>>
>> ---
>> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
>> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Thu May  9 15:38:02 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 15:38:02 -0400
Subject: [governance] Link to the recording of civil society meeting about
 Christchurch call
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvDcwMq4To3niMtnGH1K0LaCT4s=skVQL86iB9_cJ0fCsA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all

Please find the link to the recording of civil society discussion about
Christchruch call.

https://bluejeans.com/s/49F7K



We decided to do the following with regards to the Christchurch  call:

1. Make statement on the lack of openness and inclusiveness of the
Christchurch call process

2. Make a statement about the substantive aspects of the call




Many interesting aspects were raised by the attendees. I invite you to
listen to the recording. And join us for another online meeting tomorrow.

 I have already shared the statement in a Google doc with you. Will
redistribute tomorrow as well.





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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Fri May 10 06:29:08 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 06:29:08 -0400
Subject: [governance] Christchurch Call/online civil society meeting in 40
 minutes + the statement
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvDeJ=+B4WZ4KTDAy8PKEn7FDQcTWXEJjfG_uLXexQ_Y+g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all

We are going to hold the second civil society online meeting about
Christchurch call in roughly 30 minutes.

We are going to work on a joint statement and discuss our next steps.

Here is the link to the Google Doc re joint statement.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ByMQScgaab4KBhr5fB_6uJ8txN9Fv77lXEbDdJTJzNE/edit?usp=sharing


Here is the link to the online meeting: https://bluejeans.com/212601815



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From joly at punkcast.com  Fri May 10 10:27:26 2019
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 10:27:26 -0400
Subject: [governance] WEBCAST TODAY: 2019 Niejelow Rodin Global Digital
 Futures Forum
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk3Qw+FW18m4MWnoKfmS4W=6=U4Uy3pbN1A6pQjLod7d4Q@mail.gmail.com>

This is underway. Incredible speaker line up.





[image: livestream] <http://https//livestream.com/internetsociety/gdf19>Today
*Friday May 10 2019* Columbia *SIPA’s Tech and Policy Initiative
<https://sipa.columbia.edu/ideas-lab/techpolicy>* presents the *Niejelow
Rodin Global Digital Futures Forum <https://sipadigitalfutures.org/>*. Now
in its fifth year, the newly renamed forum brings together leading scholars
from across Columbia University, CEOs, senior policy makers, entrepreneurs,
legal and policy experts, amongst others to discuss the broad challenges
and opportunities created by the wide-ranging digital transformations
occurring in the world today. The theme of this year’s Forum is *Navigating
Digital Transformations: Survive or Thrive?* The vent will be webcast live
on the *Internet Society Livestream Channel
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/>*.

*VIEW ON LIVESTREAM: https://livestream.com/internetsociety/gdf19
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/gdf19>*

*VIEW ON YOUTUBE: https://youtu.be/cxHznid-fQA
<https://youtu.be/cxHznid-fQA>*

*AGENDA: https://sipadigitalfutures.org/agenda/
<https://sipadigitalfutures.org/agenda/>*

*TWITTER: #SIPADigitalFutures https://bit.ly/sipadigitalfutures
<https://bit.ly/sipadigitalfutures>*

*Permalink*
https://isoc.live/11053/




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From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 14:18:07 -0400
Subject: [governance] Update on Christchurch call
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvARz6kMZuNjq8Mr+p12BNvg3sRnTwb-V-VFVcfZE+h8GQ@mail.gmail.com>

All,

Please find below the link to recordings of two online meetings we had.

Wednesday meeting: https://bluejeans.com/s/N9Mps

Friday meeting: https://bluejeans.com/s/N9Mps/

We decided to write one statement on the procedural aspect of the
Christchurch call and Civil Society participation, and another about the
substance of the Christchurch call.

We are gathering all the comments in the Google doc below which we will
discuss during our face to face meeting in Paris before the Voices for
Action meeting on 14 May.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ByMQScgaab4KBhr5fB_6uJ8txN9Fv77lXEbDdJTJzNE/edit
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Mon May 13 08:30:31 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 14:30:31 +0200
Subject: [governance] Christchurch Call, Civil Soc +Tech community
 meeting/today 3 PM Paris time/ Remote participation details
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvCyrpQiRM2yYg3+73ZkQmmgcn9AXSEU2gkJOE-7awOuug@mail.gmail.com>

All
We are now finalizing our positions and the text of our input document on
Christchurch call. Join the meeting at 3 PM Paris time (in 30 minutes) to
weigh in on issues and help us finalize the text.



Topic: Christchurch Call
Time: 3pm Paris Time, Monday 13 May
Join Zoom Meeting
https://zoom.us/j/128225054

One tap mobile
+16699006833,,128225054# US (San Jose)
+19294362866,,128225054# US (New York)

Dial by your location
        +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)
        +1 929 436 2866 US (New York)
        +33 1 8288 0188 France
        +33 7 5678 4048 France
        +64 4 831 8959 New Zealand
        +64 9 801 1188 New Zealand
Meeting ID: 128 225 054
Find your local number: https://zoom.us/u/adBAnkc4uH
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Mon May 13 08:26:04 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 00:26:04 +1200
Subject: [governance] Christchurch Call, Civil Soc +Tech community
 meeting/today 3 PM Paris time/ Remote participation details
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvCyrpQiRM2yYg3+73ZkQmmgcn9AXSEU2gkJOE-7awOuug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvCyrpQiRM2yYg3+73ZkQmmgcn9AXSEU2gkJOE-7awOuug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJwbTiCs1RibNj78k8wwNow9hT_FZQL-JY8Ec+d932DFgc4vsg@mail.gmail.com>

What's the Christchurch call about?

On Tue, 14 May 2019, 12:31 am farzaneh badii, <governance at lists.riseup.net>
wrote:

> All
> We are now finalizing our positions and the text of our input document on
> Christchurch call. Join the meeting at 3 PM Paris time (in 30 minutes) to
> weigh in on issues and help us finalize the text.
>
>
>
> Topic: Christchurch Call
> Time: 3pm Paris Time, Monday 13 May
> Join Zoom Meeting
> https://zoom.us/j/128225054
>
> One tap mobile
> +16699006833,,128225054# US (San Jose)
> +19294362866,,128225054# US (New York)
>
> Dial by your location
>         +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)
>         +1 929 436 2866 US (New York)
>         +33 1 8288 0188 France
>         +33 7 5678 4048 France
>         +64 4 831 8959 New Zealand
>         +64 9 801 1188 New Zealand
> Meeting ID: 128 225 054
> Find your local number: https://zoom.us/u/adBAnkc4uH
> Farzaneh
> ---
> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Tue May 14 10:53:01 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 16:53:01 +0200
Subject: [governance] Community input for Chrustchurch call
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvBOmrNrfN56+=1oW--nasA56L1RnYKALbfDtnFPOq8aYg@mail.gmail.com>

Here is the link to our final community input to Christchurch call.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RfXLUnx662mmOJv3Z2c0NXEpsAXS8HGN/view



We are tweeting live using #christchurchcallvoices  hashtag.


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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Thu May  2 22:20:49 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 22:20:49 -0400
Subject: [governance] [Call for Collective Action] Content Moderation on the
 Internet/Christchurch summit
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvCzcV8F1Nw+PAX=uXhCpLDax0zX5MMoZAoiftEqSiyBJw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

During the G7 Summit on 15 May 2019, France and New Zealand intend to
invite the world leaders and tech companies to agree to a pledge to eliminate
terrorist and violent extremist content online. There will be a civil
society event before the 15 May meeting which is by invitation.

Regardless of the format of the meeting and whether its output would be
even effective, Civil Society should collectively take action regarding
such multilateral attempts and influence the process as much as possible.
Especially when it comes to content moderation and content regulation, if
decisions are taken carelessly, we might see the values of the global,
interoperable Internet be undermined.

The InternetNZ (the ccTLD registry of New Zealand) aims to facilitate the
participation of civil society along with the technical community (not
technology nor platform corporations) in this process hence they have
issued a call at this link https://internetnz.nz/Christchurch-Call and set
up an online forum where we can discuss a statement that can be presented
during the civil society meeting on May 14 in Paris
<https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/nz-and-france-seek-end-use-social-media-acts-terrorism>,
or we can generally have discussions on the forum about this event, how
civil society and technical community should react to such initiatives and
whether we should and if so how we can provide input for a process that is
multilateral. We can also discuss topics that can be raised during the
civil society meeting on 14 May. Representatives of civil society
organizations will report around the meeting of 14 May, via the online
Forum and various civil society mailing lists including IGC.

Please join the online forum provided by InternetNZ(
https://internetnz.nz/Christchurch-Call ) and discuss the issue of
terrorist content moderation online and how it should be tackled. We can
also have preparatory and consultation meetings before 14 May.

Best regards,




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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Tue May 14 11:43:41 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 16:43:41 +0100
Subject: [governance] Community input for Chrustchurch call
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvBOmrNrfN56+=1oW--nasA56L1RnYKALbfDtnFPOq8aYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvBOmrNrfN56+=1oW--nasA56L1RnYKALbfDtnFPOq8aYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJwbTiA-1p1Mtowg_V6U4EMQs_azuYWQ2c2ChiqZjDxAKsomsA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the link. Out of curiosity, when you say "our", who are you
referring to?

On Tue, 14 May 2019, 3:53 pm farzaneh badii, <governance at lists.riseup.net>
wrote:

> Here is the link to our final community input to Christchurch call.
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RfXLUnx662mmOJv3Z2c0NXEpsAXS8HGN/view
>
>
>
> We are tweeting live using #christchurchcallvoices  hashtag.
>
>
> --
> Farzaneh
> ---
> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Tue May 14 12:32:02 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 18:32:02 +0200
Subject: [governance] Community input for Chrustchurch call
In-Reply-To: <CAJwbTiA-1p1Mtowg_V6U4EMQs_azuYWQ2c2ChiqZjDxAKsomsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvBOmrNrfN56+=1oW--nasA56L1RnYKALbfDtnFPOq8aYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJwbTiA-1p1Mtowg_V6U4EMQs_azuYWQ2c2ChiqZjDxAKsomsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvCpWFG+1r5qv0n8zkkbUi_xU0jEATMXakOsj9zCnWS_yA@mail.gmail.com>

Whatever organization  and individual that decided to join the coordination
effort and drafted inputs and commented on the doc and attended The three
calls we held. InternetNZ helped a lot with the coordination and provided a
forum we could join . I also used IGC and BestBits and various other
mailing lists to inform academics and activists about this call .

 Tomorrow, we are going to work on how many and which organizations and
individuals contributed, explain the process and see if others would be
interested to sign up to it.





On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:50 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the link. Out of curiosity, when you say "our", who are you
> referring to?
>
> On Tue, 14 May 2019, 3:53 pm farzaneh badii, <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Here is the link to our final community input to Christchurch call.
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RfXLUnx662mmOJv3Z2c0NXEpsAXS8HGN/view
>>
>>
>>
>> We are tweeting live using #christchurchcallvoices  hashtag.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Farzaneh
>>
> ---
>> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
>> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
>>
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From ayden at ferdeline.com  Tue May 14 13:41:47 2019
From: ayden at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 17:41:47 +0000
Subject: [governance] Community input for Chrustchurch call
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvCpWFG+1r5qv0n8zkkbUi_xU0jEATMXakOsj9zCnWS_yA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvBOmrNrfN56+=1oW--nasA56L1RnYKALbfDtnFPOq8aYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJwbTiA-1p1Mtowg_V6U4EMQs_azuYWQ2c2ChiqZjDxAKsomsA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAN1qJvCpWFG+1r5qv0n8zkkbUi_xU0jEATMXakOsj9zCnWS_yA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <lov9ojsb_KSxVGm9m6b8bUk54M3UpSYzU4g4VWIfPN49br1m88KOVTjHGBw7knw803Py7C6t-Vuf2AFgYccayoI9g5AlND43B1wUDv7422Y=@ferdeline.com>

Thanks for coordinating this, Farzaneh, and for working so openly.

Ayden Férdeline

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Tuesday, 14 May 2019 18:32, farzaneh badii <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:

> Whatever organization  and individual that decided to join the coordination effort and drafted inputs and commented on the doc and attended The three calls we held. InternetNZ helped a lot with the coordination and provided a forum we could join . I also used IGC and BestBits and various other mailing lists to inform academics and activists about this call .
>
>  Tomorrow, we are going to work on how many and which organizations and individuals contributed, explain the process and see if others would be interested to sign up to it.
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:50 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the link. Out of curiosity, when you say "our", who are you referring to?
>>
>> On Tue, 14 May 2019, 3:53 pm farzaneh badii, <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Here is the link to our final community input to Christchurch call.
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RfXLUnx662mmOJv3Z2c0NXEpsAXS8HGN/view
>>>
>>> We are tweeting live using #christchurchcallvoices  hashtag.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Farzaneh
>>
>>> ---
>>> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
>>> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
>
> --
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Wed May 15 10:02:30 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 16:02:30 +0200
Subject: [governance] Christchurch Call / IGP blog
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvCaK-baUvPk62=4C80Y4v7SVcz6eJaGM42wScpTH1hc+Q@mail.gmail.com>

You can read IGP'S blog about Christchurch call and next steps :
https://www.internetgovernance.org/2019/05/14/our-statement-on-the-christchurch-process/

As it seems, the pledge text is not going to be changed so we need to see
how signing up to the pledge goes.

I will be sending a report about the civil society input and the process of
coming up with it and the opportunity to sign up on it by the end of the
day.


Thanks to all the discussions and participations. It was a great
collaborative effort.
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Wed May 15 11:27:53 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Akinremi Peter Taiwo (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 16:27:53 +0100
Subject: [governance] Christchurch Call / IGP blog
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvCaK-baUvPk62=4C80Y4v7SVcz6eJaGM42wScpTH1hc+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvCaK-baUvPk62=4C80Y4v7SVcz6eJaGM42wScpTH1hc+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGK4d0_G=R9v2-HJnAq4Z-pG_0BAibnv6r7iCVhCbvxw-j+Oyw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Farzaneh for the write up. There is so much thoughts in the writeup
and I hope the concerns actors would read with their heart to understand
the need to holistically look at the whole picture of online content in the
fight against terrorism.

Regards.
Peter.

On Wed, May 15, 2019, 3:12 PM farzaneh badii <governance at lists.riseup.net>
wrote:

>
>
> You can read IGP'S blog about Christchurch call and next steps :
>
> https://www.internetgovernance.org/2019/05/14/our-statement-on-the-christchurch-process/
>
> As it seems, the pledge text is not going to be changed so we need to see
> how signing up to the pledge goes.
>
> I will be sending a report about the civil society input and the process
> of coming up with it and the opportunity to sign up on it by the end of the
> day.
>
>
> Thanks to all the discussions and participations. It was a great
> collaborative effort.
> --
> Farzaneh
> ---
> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
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From elena.perotti at wan-ifra.org  Tue May 14 09:53:14 2019
From: elena.perotti at wan-ifra.org (Elena Perotti)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 15:53:14 +0200
Subject: [governance] Fwd: Christchurch Call, Join online meetings for civil
 society and technical community
References: <CAMCMt7rYGearWNybo0R04K9hFMnwp9AoHzLhbdhyOPmZe57=QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <023462FD-F675-4B8B-9404-EA229E4EBA49@wan-ifra.org>


Elena Perotti
Executive Director Public Affairs and Media Policy
World Association of Newspapers and News Publishers
www.wan-ifra.org/policy

72 rue d'Hauteville
75010 Paris
France

Skype: elenaperotti.wanifra
Mobile FR 0033 6 73 94 1234

LinkedIn:  
https://fr.linkedin.com/in/elenaperotti

Twitter
@E_Perotti
@WAN_MediaLex

Dear Farzaneh, 

I just learned about this matter, and I would have fought for a place for WAN-IFRA in today’s meeting in Paris had I known before. Is it possible to please subscribe me to this mailing list? 

Thanks in advance
Elena

> 
> ----------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: farzaneh badii <governance at lists.riseup.net <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>>
> Date: Tue, May 7, 2019 at 5:30 AM
> Subject: [governance] Christchurch Call, Join online meetings for civil society and technical community
> To: governance <governance at lists.riseup.net <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>>
> 
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern along with the French  President Emmanuel Macron intends to sign a pledge with other nation states and CEOs of tech companies to eliminate "terrorist, violent extremist content" on the Internet <https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/nz-and-france-seek-end-use-social-media-acts-terrorism>, in a meeting on 15 May in Paris.
> 
> We are planning to receive as much feedback as possible from Internet governance civil society and the technical community about terrorist content moderation online and relay the comments during the meetings held in Paris. To do so we have organized two online meetings to be held on Wednesday 8 May at 11.00 (AM) UTC and Friday 10 May at 11(AM) UTC. We had to schedule the meetings to be more or less convenient for different timezones.
> 
> For some background about the event and a timeline you can refer to:
> Online Content Takedown, The Christchurch call  https://www.internetgovernance.org/2019/05/05/online-content-takedown-the-christchurch-call/ <https://www.internetgovernance.org/2019/05/05/online-content-takedown-the-christchurch-call/>
> 
> InternetNZ facilitating Tech and Civil Society Participation in Christchurch call: https://internetnz.nz/Christchurch-Call <https://internetnz.nz/Christchurch-Call>
> 
> 
> If you would like to discuss this topic and cannot make it to the online meetings, you can always reach out or you can join this forum to continue the discussions: https://christchurchcallcoord.internetnz.nz/ <https://christchurchcallcoord.internetnz.nz/>
> 
> 
> We look forward to your participation. 
> 
> 
> *** Meeting information, 8 May and 10 May - To be held at 11 AM UTC
> 
> Meeting URL
> https://bluejeans.com/212601815?src=join_info <https://bluejeans.com/212601815?src=join_info>
> 
> Meeting ID
> 212 601 815
> 
> Want to dial in from a phone?
> 
> Dial one of the following numbers:
> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers <https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers>)
> 
> Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
> 
> Connecting from a room system?
> Dial: bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc/> or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
> 
> 
> Farzaneh
> ---
> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>>
> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists <https://riseup.net/lists>>

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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Wed May 15 12:57:17 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 18:57:17 +0200
Subject: [governance] Fwd: Christchurch Call, Join online meetings for
 civil society and technical community
In-Reply-To: <023462FD-F675-4B8B-9404-EA229E4EBA49@wan-ifra.org>
References: <CAMCMt7rYGearWNybo0R04K9hFMnwp9AoHzLhbdhyOPmZe57=QQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <023462FD-F675-4B8B-9404-EA229E4EBA49@wan-ifra.org>
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvD3Ydq9BKHGL6fj0zdx=3FGPKLMpj2V81vn6qiDWGJDCQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Ellena

Thanks so much for reaching out. And sorry I didn't receive your email. We
are going to issue the input and present it to the New Zealand government.
You can certainly weigh in. I wish for much more French civil society
participation in the process .

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 6:42 PM Elena Perotti <elena.perotti at wan-ifra.org>
wrote:

>
> Elena Perotti
> Executive Director Public Affairs and Media Policy
> World Association of Newspapers and News Publishers
> www.wan-ifra.org/policy
>
> 72 rue d'Hauteville
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=72+rue+d'Hauteville+75010+Paris+France&entry=gmail&source=g>
> 75010 Paris
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=72+rue+d'Hauteville+75010+Paris+France&entry=gmail&source=g>
> France
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=72+rue+d'Hauteville+75010+Paris+France&entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> Skype: elenaperotti.wanifra
> Mobile FR 0033 6 73 94 1234
>
> LinkedIn:
> https://fr.linkedin.com/in/elenaperotti
>
> Twitter
> @E_Perotti
> @WAN_MediaLex
>
> Dear Farzaneh,
>
> I just learned about this matter, and I would have fought for a place for
> WAN-IFRA in today’s meeting in Paris had I known before. Is it possible to
> please subscribe me to this mailing list?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Elena
>
>
> ----------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: farzaneh badii <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> Date: Tue, May 7, 2019 at 5:30 AM
> Subject: [governance] Christchurch Call, Join online meetings for civil
> society and technical community
> To: governance <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern along with the French  President
> Emmanuel Macron intends to sign a pledge with other nation states and CEOs
> of tech companies to eliminate "terrorist, violent extremist content" on
> the Internet
> <https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/nz-and-france-seek-end-use-social-media-acts-terrorism>,
> in a meeting on 15 May in Paris.
>
> We are planning to receive as much feedback as possible from Internet
> governance civil society and the technical community about terrorist
> content moderation online and relay the comments during the meetings held
> in Paris. To do so we have organized two online meetings to be held on
> Wednesday 8 May at 11.00 (AM) UTC and Friday 10 May at 11(AM) UTC. We had
> to schedule the meetings to be more or less convenient for different
> timezones.
>
> For some background about the event and a timeline you can refer to:
> Online Content Takedown, The Christchurch call
> https://www.internetgovernance.org/2019/05/05/online-content-takedown-the-christchurch-call/
>
> InternetNZ facilitating Tech and Civil Society Participation in
> Christchurch call: https://internetnz.nz/Christchurch-Call
>
>
> If you would like to discuss this topic and cannot make it to the online
> meetings, you can always reach out or you can join this forum to continue
> the discussions: https://christchurchcallcoord.internetnz.nz/
>
>
> We look forward to your participation.
>
>
> **** Meeting information, 8 May and 10 May - To be held at 11 AM UTC*
>
> Meeting URL
> https://bluejeans.com/212601815?src=join_info
>
> Meeting ID
> 212 601 815
>
> Want to dial in from a phone?
>
> Dial one of the following numbers:
> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>
> Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>
> Connecting from a room system?
> Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>
>
> Farzaneh
> ---
> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
>
>
> ---
> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
>
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Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 19:59:42 +0200
Subject: [governance] Final text of Christchurch call and InternetNZ press
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Here is the final text of the pledge:
https://www.christchurchcall.com/call.html

And here is a news release by InternetNZ

https://internetnz.nz/news/christchurch-call-outcome-vital-first-step-addressing-terrorism-and-violent-extremism-online



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Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Follow-on from survey on the future of
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Hi,


Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.


For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in Hyderabad where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and the DC on Internet Principles had a joint meeting to discuss overlaps; we left with a Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles. Which eventually led to the creation and translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and Principles among other positive outcomes.


So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out of this; ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to help energize also the cross-CS coordination right?

Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty meeting feel (at times to this prof).


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From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
To: Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt &lt; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; governance
Subject: Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps

Dear all

Following our discussions, and some discussions among some of  those of us who attended the last call four weeks ago (notes & participants here:  https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see below what some of us propose as a hopefully straightforward plan going forward.

  *   IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a day 0 event at IGF
  *   Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal steering committee to organise the event - you don't have to identify as 'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree how to approach the organisation of the event however they see fit
  *   Members of other lists are invited to join once an informal agenda has been put together
  *   Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this effort come together to discuss preliminary ideas - to include the idea of focusing the day 0 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have already been proposed)

Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like we've now decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you will agree that the discussions had so far, the interest and commitment to global level coordination, would be usefully served by collectively putting together an agenda that responds to the interests of those committed to these efforts.

Please provide your views on this.

Best
Sheetal.

On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
Dear all,

Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I have the recording I'll send it around. In the meantime, you can see a short summary at the top of the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but it should provide an overview of what we discussed: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture

In essence, we discussed the reasons that these discussions about civil society coordination have recently re-surfaced and those on the call reiterated the commitment to global-level coordination and the need to work together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and discussed the fact that although about half of the respondents supported exploring a 'merger' with IGC, around half also thought expanding the mandate of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the call mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is important to leverage and there is complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore, we shouldn't lose that in whatever we choose to do going forward.

We discussed that proposing something more concrete to the IGC would be helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could work. We were cognizant of the limited number of the people on the call, so we agreed to put something short together and then to share it with you for your feedback before sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that simple proposal to share with you. I'll share it shortly. If anyone else on the call wants to chime in with more information please do.

If you have any questions, please do let us know!

Best
Sheetal.

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org<mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>> wrote:
I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust someone will
report on the meeting.

Regards,

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Tapani Tarvainen

On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar (sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>) wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting in under an hour at 1
> PM UTC (see the link below).
>
> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>
> Best
> Sheetal.
>
> Meeting room details
>
> *Meeting URL*
> https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>
> Meeting ID
> 524 189 381
> Want to dial in from a phone?
>
> Dial one of the following numbers:
> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>
> Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>
> Connecting from a room system?
> Dial: bjn.vc<http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>
> On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>
> > Dear all
> >
> > As promised, please find below the details for meeting us on *Wednesday,
> > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda further below too.
> >
> > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
> >
> > Best
> > Sheetal.
> >
> > Meeting room details
> >
> > *Meeting URL*
> > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
> >
> > Meeting ID
> > 524 189 381
> > Want to dial in from a phone?
> >
> > Dial one of the following numbers:
> > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
> >
> > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
> >
> > Connecting from a room system?
> > Dial: bjn.vc<http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
> >
> > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the discussion around
> > improving coordination are welcome so please share with anyone relevant.
> >
> > Suggested agenda
> > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a recap of what's happened
> > so far
> > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
> > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
> > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> > 6.internet at gmail.com<mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Dear Akinremi,
> >>
> >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has reached the participants of
> >> the Governance list, especially the thinking that "discussion about
> >> merging should be limited to each group".  If riseup.net<http://riseup.net> is working,
> >> then I do not have concerns.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
> >> twitter.com/shivaindia<http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
> >> compsoftnet at gmail.com<mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
> >>>
> >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying igcaucus.org<http://igcaucus.org> mailbox is not
> >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on riseup.net<http://riseup.net> mailing-list.
> >>> Please can you help me understand what you are trying to do so as to be
> >>> able to help.
> >>>
> >>> Regards.
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> >>> 6.internet at gmail.com<mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by the Bestbits list to
> >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on a different problem. The
> >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving messages, who is managing the
> >>>> Governance lists please?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sivasubramanian M <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
> >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia<http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
> >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com<mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey should be limited to
> >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about merging should be limited to
> >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do a kind of an independent
> >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of whether the group should cease
> >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some folks on the IGC group wants IGC
> >>>>> to remain as it is.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared some contacts on the
> >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy issue you are referring to.
> >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the picture of any privacy issue that
> >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw more light on this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of CSCG, part of our
> >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil society organization in the
> >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the individual wearing many hat remains.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards.
> >>>>> Peter
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM Sivasubramanian M <
> >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net<mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a limited response, only
> >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC list?  Possibly the poll
> >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are subscribed only to the IGC list.
> >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says "future of Bestbits" rather than
> >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of engagement in these
> >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil society coordination, and I know
> >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing motivation. The conversations have
> >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in changing the current situation
> >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a coordination network), and
> >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen global civil society coordination
> >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the survey which gathered a
> >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I attached a summary report of
> >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF in Paris there was discussion
> >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year. Before we do that however, it
> >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to the survey and agree a way
> >>>>>>> forward.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a suggested agenda. It would be
> >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March so I can confirm the date and
> >>>>>>> set up a room.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
> >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
> >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
> >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy and contributions so far!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed the survey. I have
> >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text document, with a summary included
> >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split call, with the first half
> >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
> >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed necessary, with IGC founders and other
> >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that as a separate call too.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey have been to find a way
> >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society coordination, and thus to change
> >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that they help in finding a way
> >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing, responds to the widest possible
> >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other suggestions on how to proceed,
> >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send around a doodle for a follow up
> >>>>>>>> call.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of responses but it would be great
> >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future of Bestbits. If you could fill
> >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that would be much appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
> >>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
> >>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
> >>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for another call to decide next
> >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the survey so thank you to
> >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do lend your views if you can,
> >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey responses will feed into the next set
> >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
> >>>>>>>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
> >>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this thread, please see a
> >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the future of Bestbits. Following a
> >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
> >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be circulated to gather views of all members.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background information note which
> >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
> >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing list, you are invited to
> >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future discussions in a timely way, please
> >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*. Should you have any
> >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get in touch.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in the call yesterday. For
> >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call, you'll find the list of participants
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the possible ways forward for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous conversation in December and the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement that both Bestbits and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in fulfilling their objectives,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to coordination and we agreed to circulate a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather perspectives on four suggested ways forward
> >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It was suggested that this survey with
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a decision on the future of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that the call on next steps is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous email and I've updated the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle! It seems the best time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on February 11*. The full
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to join, are below.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the room. Looking forward
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as possible on the 11th!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc<http://bjn.vc> -or-199.48.152.152
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers - http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your phone number will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We would like to record and share the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the mailing list. Please let us know if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be shared on an open mailing list if you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the Bestbits and IGC lists,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger + other options
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo - using lists as information sharing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for decision
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those who indicated they were available for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as a Bestbits member you can join the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the pad, this is just to have a vague idea
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal Kumar <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org<mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the engagement on this topic, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared their perspectives and the relevant
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we agreed to touch base
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to agree a way forward. The discussions here
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for our second call to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a suggested agenda:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of challenges and issues faced
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger of lists/establishment
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement on process for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of Bestbits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged the last call, we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are invited but that we also reach out to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some background and inform the discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the doodle by the end of next
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a time and send the conference room link
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10, Deirdre Williams <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com<mailto:williams.deirdre at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion with care, and have a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped sharing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two groups again really improve participation?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at what needs to be done,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to do it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as the people who started
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions it seems unlikely that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please consider IRPC (which many
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is currently having some difficulty with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out management tasks for the group.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means to discuss issues and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this the right way to do that now or do we need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09, Jeremy Malcolm <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au<mailto:jeremy at malcolm.id.au>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the first Steering Committee
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information about how it was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had become toxic and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had been a while since it had
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the same time, the 2012 ITU
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to collaborate on joint action
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between people both inside and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the first volunteer steering
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society politics that had driven
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best Bits too. There were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about various participants having
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough about their own funding.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly lightweight and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of accountability resulted in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more elaborate set of rules
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too heavy and people weren't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes, indicating that the more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing people who could
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd be all for that. But I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given as much time to it as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my energy on my new nonprofit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy advocate, geek
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net<mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
> >>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
> >>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
> >>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
> >>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
> >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> >>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
> >>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
> >>>>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
> >>>>>>>      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net<mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>.
> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
> >>>>>>>      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
> >>>>>> Please send all replies to 6.Internet at gmail.com<mailto:6.Internet at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ---
> >>>>>> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net<mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
> >>>>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
> >>>>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi<http://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi>
> >>>>> <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
> >>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
> >>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi<http://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi>
> >>> <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > *Sheetal Kumar*
> > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
> > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
> >
> >
>
> --
>
>
> *Sheetal Kumar*
> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F
> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|

> ____________________________________________________________
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Sheetal Kumar
Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|



--


Sheetal Kumar
Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Wed May 15 18:23:17 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Matthias C. Kettemann" (via governance Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 00:23:17 +0200
Subject: [governance] Busted! The Truth About the 50 Most Common Internet
 Myths: Your Chance to Participate
In-Reply-To: <1975004641.173.1557832713121@groupware.hans-bredow-institut.de>
References: <1975004641.173.1557832713121@groupware.hans-bredow-institut.de>
Message-ID: <CALjW9_mmhbQ_d8Pg7OKMOyAAJ0YV-eBbN5v4P2W6YR2LS5s27g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Internet users, researchers, and activists,
dear friends and colleagues,

The Internet never forgets ... and on the Internet, nobody knows you are a
dog ... Is the Internet a dangerous place ruled by bots? Are states the
enemies of a free Internet? Do human rights apply online? Is there a future
for the Global South on the Internet? Are data monopolies unstoppable? And
is the Internet full of fake news? Or is all the talk about fake news
actually fake news?

We have been commissioned to edit a book busting these and other common
Internet myths ("Busted! The Truth About the 50 Most Common Internet Myths
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JqnwcB56ae7N0jc7CrvscGZKaRDWq_mZEZXO9LIFSqc/edit>").
It will be published in English and German this fall in the run-up to the
Internet Governance Forum in Berlin 2019, both online and in print and will
be widely distributed, including to all IGF participants on-site.

At this stage we ask you to help us identify the most common Internet
myths, that is misconceptions (accidental or on purpose) about the impact
and reality of the internet and internet-based communication in the wider
sense.

We are looking for the most popular (or unpopular) Internet myths. After
collecting 100 of them we will get back to you and vote on which 50 myths
should make it into the book.

Please enter your suggestions using this form
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScm0b9LOjSO-PrJzu4eNDMSLhJrSOeLvrnqNkFzAwuvmT8xvQ/viewform>
by Tuesday, 21 May 2019.

Do you feel like you could write the debunking story (around 450 words, by
15 July 2019), too? Then please add this as well in the form.

Do you know of someone who could be an Internet mythbuster? Then feel free
to forward them this invitation.

In the age of uncertainty, we invite you to participate in an exciting book
that seeks to make Internet myths a thing of the past. If you have any
queries, please contact us at m.kettemann at leibniz-hbi.de and
s.dreyer at leibniz-hbi.de.

Matthias and Stephan

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Dr. Matthias C. Kettemann and Dr. Stephan Dreyer
Leibniz Institute for Media Research | Hans-Bredow-Institut (HBI), Hamburg,
Germany
Rothenbaumchaussee 36 | 20148 Hamburg | Germany

Leibniz Institute for Media Research | Hans-Bredow-Institut (HBI)
Head of Research | Research Program *Regulatory *
*Structures and the Emergence of Rules in Online Spaces*
Rothenbaumchaussee 36 | 20148 Hamburg | Germany
mail <m.kettemann at hans-bredow-institut.de> | web
<https://hans-bredow-institut.de/en/staff/matthias-c-kettemann> | +49 (0)40
45 02 17 36

Associated Researcher | Alexander von Humboldt Institute for Internet and
Society (HIIG) <https://www.hiig.de/matthias-kettemann/>, Berlin
Affiliated Researcher | Cluster of Excellence „
<http://www.normativeorders.net/de/organisation/mitarbeiter-a-z/person/442>Normative
Orders
<http://www.normativeorders.net/de/organisation/mitarbeiter-a-z/person/442>”
<http://www.normativeorders.net/de/organisation/mitarbeiter-a-z/person/442>,
University
of Frankfurt am Main
Lecturer | Institute of International Law and International Relations
<http://voelkerrecht.uni-graz.at/en/>, University of Graz, Austria

--

See my research on disinformation
<https://www.sef-bonn.org/en/publications/global-governance-spotlight/22019.html>
, cybersecurity,
<http://www.revista-redi.es/es/articulos/ciberseguridad-y-derecho-internacional/>Internet
Governance,
<http://publikationen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/frontdoor/index/index/docId/48008>international
internet law, <https://library.fes.de/pdf-files/akademie/12068.pdf>
freedom of expression,
<http://publikationen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/frontdoor/index/index/year/2017/docId/43690>right
to internet access,
<https://voelkerrechtsblog.org/das-recht-auf-internet-zwischen-voelkerrecht-staatsrecht-und-europarecht/>German
Network Enforcement Act (NetzDG)
<https://www.intgovforum-deutschland.org/uploads/2/6/8/1/26813832/igf-d_balanced_briefing_netzdg_%5Bd%5D.pdf>

New study: Kettemann, International Rules for Social Media. Safeguarding
human rights, combating disinformation, Global Governance Spotlight 2/2019
<https://www.sef-bonn.org/en/publications/global-governance-spotlight/22019.html>
(Development and Peace Foundation (sef:), Bonn, 2019) (auch auf Deutsch
<http://www.sef-bonn.org/publikationen/global-governance-spotlight/22019.html>
)

New book: Wagner/Kettemann/Vieth (eds.), Research Handbook on Human Rights
and
Digital Technology
<https://www.e-elgar.com/shop/research-handbook-on-human-rights-and-digital-technology>
(Cheltenham:
Edward Elgar, 2019)

New Working Paper: Kettemann, Die normative Ordnung der Cyber-Sicherheit
<http://publikationen.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/files/48873/Matthias_Kettemann_Cyber-Sicherheit.pdf>,

Normative Orders Working Paper 01/2019
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Fri May  3 01:58:57 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Capda Capda (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Fri, 3 May 2019 07:58:57 +0200
Subject: [governance] [Call for Collective Action] Content Moderation on
 the Internet/Christchurch summit
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvCzcV8F1Nw+PAX=uXhCpLDax0zX5MMoZAoiftEqSiyBJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvCzcV8F1Nw+PAX=uXhCpLDax0zX5MMoZAoiftEqSiyBJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPm5NK5g8BieYsy==mmPQ1uK4_NJzEu9V02nLWAA8JiAtwcGJA@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations for this great initiative and thank you for sharing for
collective actions.

Best Regards,

Le ven. 3 mai 2019 à 04:21, farzaneh badii <governance at lists.riseup.net> a
écrit :

> Dear all,
>
> During the G7 Summit on 15 May 2019, France and New Zealand intend to
> invite the world leaders and tech companies to agree to a pledge to eliminate
> terrorist and violent extremist content online. There will be a civil
> society event before the 15 May meeting which is by invitation.
>
> Regardless of the format of the meeting and whether its output would be
> even effective, Civil Society should collectively take action regarding
> such multilateral attempts and influence the process as much as possible.
> Especially when it comes to content moderation and content regulation, if
> decisions are taken carelessly, we might see the values of the global,
> interoperable Internet be undermined.
>
> The InternetNZ (the ccTLD registry of New Zealand) aims to facilitate the
> participation of civil society along with the technical community (not
> technology nor platform corporations) in this process hence they have
> issued a call at this link https://internetnz.nz/Christchurch-Call and
> set up an online forum where we can discuss a statement that can be
> presented during the civil society meeting on May 14 in Paris
> <https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/nz-and-france-seek-end-use-social-media-acts-terrorism>,
> or we can generally have discussions on the forum about this event, how
> civil society and technical community should react to such initiatives and
> whether we should and if so how we can provide input for a process that is
> multilateral. We can also discuss topics that can be raised during the
> civil society meeting on 14 May. Representatives of civil society
> organizations will report around the meeting of 14 May, via the online
> Forum and various civil society mailing lists including IGC.
>
> Please join the online forum provided by InternetNZ(
> https://internetnz.nz/Christchurch-Call ) and discuss the issue of
> terrorist content moderation online and how it should be tackled. We can
> also have preparatory and consultation meetings before 14 May.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Wed May 15 19:27:34 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 01:27:34 +0200
Subject: [governance] Report on Civil Society Coordination for Christchurch
 Call
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvCn_LKvqiTc3Db4GCFue5xa51RCsOCZvhA1hsgVhFcm7A@mail.gmail.com>

*Summary:*

Civil society participation in Christchurch call timelines and next steps:

   1.

   Beginning of May, Calls issued through civil society networks and
   mailing lists, InternetNZ created a coordination space, which will be
   ongoing:https://christchurchcallcoord.internetnz.nz/
   2.

   Call for collective action issued, and call to provide a collective
   input for the civil society meeting with New Zealand before Christchurch
   Summit. The effort was open to any civil society and technical community
   member that wished to participate. Some civil society organizations
   attended the three online meetings organized to discuss the input and the
   Christchurch call.
   3.

   Ongoing work on the input document, first draft was shaped
   <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ByMQScgaab4KBhr5fB_6uJ8txN9Fv77lXEbDdJTJzNE/edit>
   4.

   on 13 May, a meeting was held before the Voices for Action meeting. The
   input document was finalized, comments resolved.

See the finalized document here
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/10RadyVQUNu1H5D7x6IJVKbqmaeDeXre0Mk-FFNkIVxs/edit#heading=h.wg59r4y9z999>
.

   1. *Next Steps:* The New Zealand government has asked for more feedback
   from various stakeholders. Note that the pledge might not be changed but we
   need to weigh in and send them our feedback.

We are going to hold another online meeting soon (next week) and discuss
the next steps and brief you about the Christchurch call and the recent
developments.

If you want to sign up on the current civil society
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/10RadyVQUNu1H5D7x6IJVKbqmaeDeXre0Mk-FFNkIVxs/edit#heading=h.wg59r4y9z999>
input
you can contact Ellen, Jillian or me.

*The process and how it all started*

24 April 2019, Prime Minister Ardern announced the Christchurch call which
was started in cooperation with France to eliminate terrorist, violent,
extremist content online.She also announced the meeting of New Zealand and
civil society and academic
<https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/nz-and-france-seek-end-use-social-media-acts-terrorism>organizations
the day before the Christchurch call in Paris.

InternetNZ was determined to include civil society and technical
organizations in the Christchurch call process. With their collaboration,
on May 6th we started to gather input from civil society and some parts of
the technical community.

InternetNZ’s principled approach to this issue was the main reason for the
inclusion of Internet community actors other than big technology
corporation.

The call for collective action was distributed on Internet governance
networks including

IGC mailing list,

BestBits mailing list,

NCSG mailing list

Giganet

and other civil society networks. We approached various civil society
organizations and academics to join the collaborative call for input and
asked them to inform their networks about it.

InternetNZ also created a coordination space. The call to join the space
was distributed among the available networks.

There are 81 members who have joined the coordination space.

The members discussed many aspects of the Christchurch call, including why
it’s happening, what are the evidence and what are the implications for the
Internet.

To join the network, read the following:
https://internetnz.nz/Christchurch-Call and join at:
https://christchurchcallcoord.internetnz.nz/

*Online and in person civil society meetings*

We held two online meetings and one in-person meeting which also provided
remote participation.

We discussed various aspect of the call including substantive and
procedural aspects.

On 8th May, 19 participants joined the call. Find the recording here:
https://bluejeans.com/s/49F7K

On 10th May, 30 participants joined the call. Here is the link to the
recording. https://bluejeans.com/s/N9Mps

An in person meeting was also held with the New Zealand Civil Society and
the New Zealand government.
*The input document:*

The first draft of the input document was populated by various civil
society organizations and academics. More than 200 comments and edits were
received. [See the first draft here
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ByMQScgaab4KBhr5fB_6uJ8txN9Fv77lXEbDdJTJzNE/edit>,
note this is not the final draft, please read on]

Jillian York has kindly listed most of the organizations and academics who
have put the organizations that have contributed to the draft. It is
non-exhaustive so if you made comments or were involved in initial drafting
please let us know. [the list is at the bottom of this email]

On 13 May, we had an in-person meeting with those who were present in
Paris. The meeting was distributed in various civil society networks and
the coordination space provided by InternetNZ. The in-person attendees were
namely Jillian York, Ellen Strickland, Anri van der Spuy and myself. Jordan
Carter from Internet NZ joined us the second half of the meeting. More
participants attended online.

We continued resolving comments and re-structuring the document. As a
result, we provided another document which was the clean version of the
input
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/10RadyVQUNu1H5D7x6IJVKbqmaeDeXre0Mk-FFNkIVxs/edit#>
and
kept the first draft for the record.

We went through the document with the online and in-person attendees,
included their comments made during and after the meeting. We finalized the
document the next day (14 May).

On 14 May, Voices for Action meeting: The meeting was held with the New
Zealand government, the Prime Minister of New Zealand and some academic and
civil society organizations.

Tweets during the meeting can be found at #Christchurchcallvoices

InternetNZ and other civil society organizations gave a summary of the
collective input during the meeting with the New Zealand government. We
also handed out printed versions. Find a PDF version here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RfXLUnx662mmOJv3Z2c0NXEpsAXS8HGN/view

*Next Steps:*

Considering that the Christchurch Call pledge text is out now and the New
Zealand government has asked for more comments from the civil society and
other parts of the Internet community, Interested civil society
organizations can sign up for the current civil society input. We can have
categories of drafting and commentator team, and endorsing organizations.

If you are interested to sign up please contact me, Ellen or Jillian, so
that we can add your name to it.

We will also have a meeting next week to brief you about how the issues are
evolving and answer questions about the input document.
------------------------------

The following is a non-exhaustive list of contributors to this document.
Additional input was provided by anonymous contributors and during calls
leading up to the meetings.

   - Farzaneh Badii (Internet Governance Project, Georgia Tech)
   - Annemarie Bridy (University of Idaho)
   - Ben Decker (Disinformation Index)
   - Anriette Esterhuysen (Global Commission on Internet Governance)
   - Claire Fernandez (European Digital Rights Initiative)
   - Gabrielle Guillemin (Article 19)
   - Dia Kayyali (Witness)
   - Daphne Keller (Center for Internet and Society, Stanford University)
   - Gayatri Khandhadai (Association for Progressive Communications)
   - Cheryl Leanza (A Learned Hand)
   - Rebecca MacKinnon (Ranking Digital Rights)
   - Mira Milosevic (Global Forum for Media Development)
   - Milton Mueller (Internet Governance Project, Georgia Tech)
   - Michael Oghia (Global Forum for Media Development)
   - Julie Owono (Internet Sans Frontieres)
   - Jason Pielemeier (Global Network Initiative)
   - Courtney Radsch (Committee to Protect Journalists)
   - Ellen Strickland (InternetNZ)
   - Anri van der Spuy (Research ICT Africa)
   - Deirdre Williams
   - Jillian C. York (Electronic Frontier Foundation)






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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Thu May 16 06:58:28 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne?= Tungali (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 12:58:28 +0200
Subject: [governance] Report on Civil Society Coordination for
 Christchurch Call
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvCn_LKvqiTc3Db4GCFue5xa51RCsOCZvhA1hsgVhFcm7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvCn_LKvqiTc3Db4GCFue5xa51RCsOCZvhA1hsgVhFcm7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABDXvWqQytr3WXdzKgV1+dYje_8NZjFB0DwA_NhvJ72F9J-z9g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Farzi,

Thanks for all your efforts into this process and thanks for keeping
the IGC in the loop about the recent developments with the
Christchurch call..

I have to admit these developments went that fast (in few days, online
meetings and consultations happened) that I am sure many other actors
were not able to pay close attention to it nor be able to meaningfully
contribute.

I would, however, be interested in endorsing this, through my
organization, Rudi International. Please do let me know if there is
anything we need to know.

Regards,
Arsene


2019-05-16 1:27 UTC+02:00, farzaneh badii <governance at lists.riseup.net>:
> *Summary:*
>
> Civil society participation in Christchurch call timelines and next steps:
>
>    1.
>
>    Beginning of May, Calls issued through civil society networks and
>    mailing lists, InternetNZ created a coordination space, which will be
>    ongoing:https://christchurchcallcoord.internetnz.nz/
>    2.
>
>    Call for collective action issued, and call to provide a collective
>    input for the civil society meeting with New Zealand before Christchurch
>    Summit. The effort was open to any civil society and technical community
>    member that wished to participate. Some civil society organizations
>    attended the three online meetings organized to discuss the input and
> the
>    Christchurch call.
>    3.
>
>    Ongoing work on the input document, first draft was shaped
>
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ByMQScgaab4KBhr5fB_6uJ8txN9Fv77lXEbDdJTJzNE/edit>
>    4.
>
>    on 13 May, a meeting was held before the Voices for Action meeting. The
>    input document was finalized, comments resolved.
>
> See the finalized document here
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/10RadyVQUNu1H5D7x6IJVKbqmaeDeXre0Mk-FFNkIVxs/edit#heading=h.wg59r4y9z999>
> .
>
>    1. *Next Steps:* The New Zealand government has asked for more feedback
>    from various stakeholders. Note that the pledge might not be changed but
> we
>    need to weigh in and send them our feedback.
>
> We are going to hold another online meeting soon (next week) and discuss
> the next steps and brief you about the Christchurch call and the recent
> developments.
>
> If you want to sign up on the current civil society
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/10RadyVQUNu1H5D7x6IJVKbqmaeDeXre0Mk-FFNkIVxs/edit#heading=h.wg59r4y9z999>
> input
> you can contact Ellen, Jillian or me.
>
> *The process and how it all started*
>
> 24 April 2019, Prime Minister Ardern announced the Christchurch call which
> was started in cooperation with France to eliminate terrorist, violent,
> extremist content online.She also announced the meeting of New Zealand and
> civil society and academic
> <https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/nz-and-france-seek-end-use-social-media-acts-terrorism>organizations
> the day before the Christchurch call in Paris.
>
> InternetNZ was determined to include civil society and technical
> organizations in the Christchurch call process. With their collaboration,
> on May 6th we started to gather input from civil society and some parts of
> the technical community.
>
> InternetNZ’s principled approach to this issue was the main reason for the
> inclusion of Internet community actors other than big technology
> corporation.
>
> The call for collective action was distributed on Internet governance
> networks including
>
> IGC mailing list,
>
> BestBits mailing list,
>
> NCSG mailing list
>
> Giganet
>
> and other civil society networks. We approached various civil society
> organizations and academics to join the collaborative call for input and
> asked them to inform their networks about it.
>
> InternetNZ also created a coordination space. The call to join the space
> was distributed among the available networks.
>
> There are 81 members who have joined the coordination space.
>
> The members discussed many aspects of the Christchurch call, including why
> it’s happening, what are the evidence and what are the implications for the
> Internet.
>
> To join the network, read the following:
> https://internetnz.nz/Christchurch-Call and join at:
> https://christchurchcallcoord.internetnz.nz/
>
> *Online and in person civil society meetings*
>
> We held two online meetings and one in-person meeting which also provided
> remote participation.
>
> We discussed various aspect of the call including substantive and
> procedural aspects.
>
> On 8th May, 19 participants joined the call. Find the recording here:
> https://bluejeans.com/s/49F7K
>
> On 10th May, 30 participants joined the call. Here is the link to the
> recording. https://bluejeans.com/s/N9Mps
>
> An in person meeting was also held with the New Zealand Civil Society and
> the New Zealand government.
> *The input document:*
>
> The first draft of the input document was populated by various civil
> society organizations and academics. More than 200 comments and edits were
> received. [See the first draft here
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ByMQScgaab4KBhr5fB_6uJ8txN9Fv77lXEbDdJTJzNE/edit>,
> note this is not the final draft, please read on]
>
> Jillian York has kindly listed most of the organizations and academics who
> have put the organizations that have contributed to the draft. It is
> non-exhaustive so if you made comments or were involved in initial drafting
> please let us know. [the list is at the bottom of this email]
>
> On 13 May, we had an in-person meeting with those who were present in
> Paris. The meeting was distributed in various civil society networks and
> the coordination space provided by InternetNZ. The in-person attendees were
> namely Jillian York, Ellen Strickland, Anri van der Spuy and myself. Jordan
> Carter from Internet NZ joined us the second half of the meeting. More
> participants attended online.
>
> We continued resolving comments and re-structuring the document. As a
> result, we provided another document which was the clean version of the
> input
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/10RadyVQUNu1H5D7x6IJVKbqmaeDeXre0Mk-FFNkIVxs/edit#>
> and
> kept the first draft for the record.
>
> We went through the document with the online and in-person attendees,
> included their comments made during and after the meeting. We finalized the
> document the next day (14 May).
>
> On 14 May, Voices for Action meeting: The meeting was held with the New
> Zealand government, the Prime Minister of New Zealand and some academic and
> civil society organizations.
>
> Tweets during the meeting can be found at #Christchurchcallvoices
>
> InternetNZ and other civil society organizations gave a summary of the
> collective input during the meeting with the New Zealand government. We
> also handed out printed versions. Find a PDF version here:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RfXLUnx662mmOJv3Z2c0NXEpsAXS8HGN/view
>
> *Next Steps:*
>
> Considering that the Christchurch Call pledge text is out now and the New
> Zealand government has asked for more comments from the civil society and
> other parts of the Internet community, Interested civil society
> organizations can sign up for the current civil society input. We can have
> categories of drafting and commentator team, and endorsing organizations.
>
> If you are interested to sign up please contact me, Ellen or Jillian, so
> that we can add your name to it.
>
> We will also have a meeting next week to brief you about how the issues are
> evolving and answer questions about the input document.
> ------------------------------
>
> The following is a non-exhaustive list of contributors to this document.
> Additional input was provided by anonymous contributors and during calls
> leading up to the meetings.
>
>    - Farzaneh Badii (Internet Governance Project, Georgia Tech)
>    - Annemarie Bridy (University of Idaho)
>    - Ben Decker (Disinformation Index)
>    - Anriette Esterhuysen (Global Commission on Internet Governance)
>    - Claire Fernandez (European Digital Rights Initiative)
>    - Gabrielle Guillemin (Article 19)
>    - Dia Kayyali (Witness)
>    - Daphne Keller (Center for Internet and Society, Stanford University)
>    - Gayatri Khandhadai (Association for Progressive Communications)
>    - Cheryl Leanza (A Learned Hand)
>    - Rebecca MacKinnon (Ranking Digital Rights)
>    - Mira Milosevic (Global Forum for Media Development)
>    - Milton Mueller (Internet Governance Project, Georgia Tech)
>    - Michael Oghia (Global Forum for Media Development)
>    - Julie Owono (Internet Sans Frontieres)
>    - Jason Pielemeier (Global Network Initiative)
>    - Courtney Radsch (Committee to Protect Journalists)
>    - Ellen Strickland (InternetNZ)
>    - Anri van der Spuy (Research ICT Africa)
>    - Deirdre Williams
>    - Jillian C. York (Electronic Frontier Foundation)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>


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Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
<http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
GPG: 523644A0

2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
<
http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>

(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF MAG
<https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member

From joly at punkcast.com  Thu May 16 11:17:54 2019
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 11:17:54 -0400
Subject: [governance] WEBCAST TODAY: Launch of 2019 Ranking Digital Rights
 Corporate Accountability Index
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk1TZvcorsVfpW8U+73HmjEFW9KYmGqHdXooymJVxjB4Pw@mail.gmail.com>

Every year the RDR Index gets bigger and better.. The big news this year is
that Microsoft edged Google for the top spot.  Here it is.


ISOC Live posted: "Today Thursday 16 May 2019 at 11:30 EDT (15:30 UTC) the
2019 Ranking Digital Rights Corporate Accountability Index will be
officially launched at the sixth Stockholm Internet Forum (SIF 2019) in
Stockholm. 24 of the world’s most powerful internet, mobile,"


[image: livestream]
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/rdr2019>Today *Thursday
16 May 2019* at *11:30 EDT* (15:30 UTC) the *2019 Ranking Digital Rights
Corporate Accountability Index
<https://rankingdigitalrights.org/events/2019-rdr-stockholm-launch-event/>*
will be officially launched at the sixth *Stockholm Internet Forum
<https://www.stockholminternetforum.se/>* (SIF 2019) in Stockholm. 24 of
the world’s most powerful internet, mobile, and telecommunications
companies will be ranked on their commitments and policies affecting users’
freedom of expression and privacy. An overview of the 2019 RDR Index will
be followed by a panel discussion. The event will be webcast live, with a
simulcast on the *Internet Society Livestream Channel
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/>.*

*VIEW ON LIVESTREAM: https://livestream.com/internetsociety/rdr2019
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/rdr2019>*

*2019 INDICATORS: https://rankingdigitalrights.org/2019-indicators/
<https://rankingdigitalrights.org/2019-indicators/>*

*TWITTER: #rankingrights http://bit.ly/2DYk0Oc <http://bit.ly/2DYk0Oc>*

*FACEBOOK #rankingrights https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/rankingrights
<https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/rankingrights>*

*ABOUT RANKING DIGITAL RIGHTS*
*Ranking Digital Rights (RDR) works to promote freedom of expression and
privacy on the internet by creating global standards and incentives for
companies to respect and protect users’ rights.
https://rankingdigitalrights.org/ <https://rankingdigitalrights.org/>*

*Permalink*
https://isoc.live/11065/



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From joly at punkcast.com  Mon May 20 17:38:50 2019
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 17:38:50 -0400
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?WEBCAST_TODAY=3A_Book_Talk_=E2=80=93_Every?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?day_Chaos_=E2=80=93_David_Weinberger_=26_Joi_Ito?=
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk0y0r3fRKH_+zOQ3LS+QnoA6YdL9vXTJyoFja2af4s1GA@mail.gmail.com>

In his latest tome, David Weinberger posits that the new order is disorder,
and society will have to adjust.


[image: livestream]
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/everdaychaos>On *Monday
May 20 2019* at *6:30pm EDT* (22:30 UTC) the *Internet Society Livestream
Channel <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/>* will webcast a slightly
edited video of '*Everyday Chaos - A Book Talk with Author David Weinberger
and Joi Ito <https://cyber.harvard.edu/events/2019-05-14/everyday-chaos>*'
which took place last Tuesday at the *Berkman Klein Center for Internet &
Society <https://cyber.harvard.edu/>* at Harvard University. In the
book '*Everyday
Chaos: Technology, Complexity, and How We’re Thriving in a New World of
Possibility <https://everydaychaosbook.com/>*' *David Weinberger* points to
accepted ways we work on the Internet that in fact undo our old assumptions
about how the future works: rather than attempting to anticipate what will
happen and prepare for it, the Internet is training us to flourish by
creating more and more unfathomable possibilities. Respondent *Joi Ito* is
the director of the MIT Media Lab.


*WATCH ON LIVESTREAM: https://livestream.com/internetsociety/everdaychaos
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/everdaychaos>*

*BOOK: https://everydaychaosbook.com/ <https://everydaychaosbook.com/>*

*TWITTER: #EverydayChaos https://bit.ly/everydaychaos
<https://bit.ly/everydaychaos>*

*CC-BY Berkman Klein Center https://cyber.harvard.edu
<https://cyber.harvard.edu/>*

*Permalink*
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Tue May 21 08:07:50 2019
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 17:37:50 +0530
Subject: [governance] RightsCon satellite event- What do social movements
 need to do in the age of data? Towards a digital justice manifesto
Message-ID: <0d909d9a-97fa-f00b-802f-362cb433a4e4@itforchange.net>



Are you planning to be at RightsCon
<https://itforchange.us11.list-manage.com/track/click?u=6fd97454ef6c0671ea92b5cb4&id=b3dd86791a&e=2c98cb64db> this
year? Join us at Tunis, and be part of shaping a future agenda for
digital equity and social justice. 
 
JNC invites you to our workshop
*What do social movements need to do in the age of data? Towards a
digital justice manifesto*

Venue: Hôtel LAICO Tunis (RightsCon Venue), CARTHAGE 2
Date: June 11, 2:00-4:15 pm
 
In 2018, the Just Net Coalition
<https://itforchange.us11.list-manage.com/track/click?u=6fd97454ef6c0671ea92b5cb4&id=f03c48444e&e=2c98cb64db>
(JNC) convened its first satellite event at RightsCon, Toronto,
‘Contending with the digital frontier – What next for social movements?’
The event aimed at brokering a dialogue between actors from social
movements and members of the digital rights community and explore common
pathways for data and digital justice. Over the year, we have kept the
conversation going at different venues and platforms.

In March 2019, JNC organized a three day international workshop on
Equity and Social Justice in a Digital World in Bangkok which brought
together a global network of actors working on digital rights, the
digital economy, and in sectors like agriculture, trade, education,
gender rights and labor.

At Tunis, we plan to take forward one of the critical agendas that came
out of the Bangkok meeting - the need for a digital justice manifesto.
Drawing from the building blocks that came out of our Bangkok meeting,
our RightsCon satellite event, *What do social movements need to do in
the age of data? Towards a digital justice manifesto*, will be aimed at
further developing key categories and the framework of a Digital Justice
Manifesto creating a reframed mandate for social movements from the
standpoint of various rights in the digital age, and enrich it through
the learnings from a structured inter-movement dialogue.

We invite you to be part of this exciting and enriching process. Whether
you're from a traditional social movement, a digital rights activist, or
simply interested in these issues, we would love to hear from you.


Registrations for the event are open now. Sign up
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*Yes, I am interested in attending!*

Sign me up
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*Hmm, tell me more 
<mailto:deepti at itforchange.net?subject=Tell%20me%20more%20about%20it%20>...*


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From LB at lucabelli.net  Tue May 21 09:09:08 2019
From: LB at lucabelli.net (LB at lucabelli.net)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 06:09:08 -0700
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?BOOK_Governan=C3=A7a_e_Regula=C3=A7=C3=B5e?=
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Message-ID: <20190521060908.2700328f4bbfc197480209526f2a1375.ce1c238f2a.mailapi@email07.godaddy.com>

 Dear colleagues, [apologies for cross posting]
 Next Monday, at FGV Law School, we will launch the book Governan&ccedil;a e Regula&ccedil;&otilde;es da Internet na Am&eacute;rica Latina (Internet Governance and Regulations in Latin America). The book is already available in open access here http://hdl.handle.net/10438/27164
 If anyone amongst Carioca friends onlist is interested in joining the book launch, please write me a personal message.
 This Portuguese version includes 2 additional chapters (one exploring the new Brazilian Data Protection Law and one dedicated to Platforms Private Regulations) to differentiate it from the Spanish version (also freely available http://hdl.handle.net/10438/24464 ) which was launched at the LACIGF 2018.
 The volume is the first collection of opinions by academics, regulators, prosecutors, business representatives and civil society advocates shaping the evolution of Internet governance and regulations in Latin America.
 The Portuguese version includes 31 chapters dedicated to Internet infrastructure, connectivity models (including community networks), privacy and cybersecurity, and emerging issues, and it also includes two prefaces, one by Vint Cerf (Google's VP) and one by Ra&uacute;l Echeberria (ISOC's VP), and an excellent postface by Edison Lanza (OAS Rapporteur for freedom of expression).
 The book celebrates the 10th anniversary of the South School on Internet Governance (the main Internet Governance capacity-building initiative in the region) whose 9th edition was organised at FGV, gathering more than 250 experts and fellows https://www.gobernanzainternet.org 
 
 The English version of the volume is in the pipeline and will be launched in the upcoming months.
 
 With my best regards
 Luca
  
 
 
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Luca Belli, PhD 
Professor of Internet Governance and Regulation, FGV Law Schoo, Rio de Janeiro  
Chercheur Associ&eacute;, Centre de Droit Public Compar&eacute;, Universit&eacute; Paris 2

www.cyberbrics.info | www.internet-governance.fgv.br 

@1lucabelli 

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From LB at lucabelli.net  Tue May 21 14:21:06 2019
From: LB at lucabelli.net (LB at lucabelli.net)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2019 11:21:06 -0700
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?BOOK_Governan=C3=A7a_e_Regula=C3=A7?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=B5es_da_Internet_na_Am=C3=A9rica_Latina?=
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Dear colleagues, 

Apologies for multiple emails.
Some of you made me notice one of the links I share was broken. Below the correct links of the two books

Governan&ccedil;a e regula&ccedil;&otilde;es da Internet na Am&eacute;rica Latina: 
http://bibliotecadigital.fgv.br/dspace/handle/10438/27164

Gobernanza y regulaciones de internet en Am&eacute;rica Latina 
http://bibliotecadigital.fgv.br/dspace/handle/10438/24464

Best 
Luca 
--------- Original Message --------- Subject: BOOK Governan&ccedil;a e Regula&ccedil;&otilde;es da Internet na Am&eacute;rica Latina 
From: LB at lucabelli.net
Date: 5/21/19 9:09 am
To: "governance" <governance at lists.riseup.net>, GIGANET-MEMBERS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU

  Dear colleagues, [apologies for cross posting]
 Next Monday, at FGV Law School, we will launch the book Governan&ccedil;a e Regula&ccedil;&otilde;es da Internet na Am&eacute;rica Latina (Internet Governance and Regulations in Latin America). The book is already available in open access here http://hdl.handle.net/10438/27164
 If anyone amongst Carioca friends onlist is interested in joining the book launch, please write me a personal message.
 This Portuguese version includes 2 additional chapters (one exploring the new Brazilian Data Protection Law and one dedicated to Platforms Private Regulations) to differentiate it from the Spanish version (also freely available http://hdl.handle.net/10438/24464 ) which was launched at the LACIGF 2018.
 The volume is the first collection of opinions by academics, regulators, prosecutors, business representatives and civil society advocates shaping the evolution of Internet governance and regulations in Latin America.
 The Portuguese version includes 31 chapters dedicated to Internet infrastructure, connectivity models (including community networks), privacy and cybersecurity, and emerging issues, and it also includes two prefaces, one by Vint Cerf (Google's VP) and one by Ra&uacute;l Echeberria (ISOC's VP), and an excellent postface by Edison Lanza (OAS Rapporteur for freedom of expression).
 The book celebrates the 10th anniversary of the South School on Internet Governance (the main Internet Governance capacity-building initiative in the region) whose 9th edition was organised at FGV, gathering more than 250 experts and fellows https://www.gobernanzainternet.org 
 
 The English version of the volume is in the pipeline and will be launched in the upcoming months.
 
 With my best regards
 Luca
  
 
 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Luca Belli, PhD 
Professor of Internet Governance and Regulation, FGV Law Schoo, Rio de Janeiro  
Chercheur Associ&eacute;, Centre de Droit Public Compar&eacute;, Universit&eacute; Paris 2

www.cyberbrics.info | www.internet-governance.fgv.br 

@1lucabelli 

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 Dear colleagues, 
  
 Apologies for multiple emails
 Some of you made me notice one of the links I share was broken. Below the correct links
  
 Governan&ccedil;a e regula&ccedil;&otilde;es da Internet na Am&eacute;rica Latina: 
 http://bibliotecadigital.fgv.br/dspace/handle/10438/27164
 
 Gobernanza y regulaciones de internet en Am&eacute;rica Latina 
 http://bibliotecadigital.fgv.br/dspace/handle/10438/24464
  
 Best 
 Luca
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From joly at punkcast.com  Wed May 22 13:49:30 2019
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 13:49:30 -0400
Subject: [governance] WEBCAST WED-FRI: Partnership for Progress on the
 Digital Divide 2019 International Conference
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk26t6ufoBaCVuzc2RX_qndkdJ_fksZ2WfC3-yqoqjB_xg@mail.gmail.com>

Apologies for the slightly delayed notice on this. Hands full setting up 4
rooms! Highlight this morning was Geoffrey Starks' maiden speech as an FCC
Commissioner, after which he was duly grilled by Gigi Sohn. Also speaking
were Avi Gillis from the UK DCMS, and Hopeton S. Dunn from Jamaica. Be sure
to tune in Friday morning for Larry Irving and Vint Cerf.

And big thanks to Vint & Google for sponsoring the live captioning.


[image: livestream]
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/ppdd2019>*Partnership
for Progress on the Digital Divide <http://www.ppdd.org/> *(PPDD) is the
only academic professional organization in the world focused solely on the
digital divide and on connecting research to policymaking and practice to
strategize actions and catalyze solutions to this pressing societal
concern. The academic research, policymaker, and practitioner community
represented by PPDD stands ready to advance the agenda on broadband and the
digital divide, to address the many challenges and opportunities presented
by the digital world, and to further evidence-based policymaking and
practice so that all citizens can participate fully in the digital,
networked age.

On *May 21-23 2019* the interdisciplinary *Partnership for Progress on the
Digital Divide 2019 International Conference
<http://www.ppdd.org/conferences/ppdd2019/>* brings together researchers,
policymakers, and practitioners for an extended, in-depth dialogue about
key issues that inform information and communication technologies and the
digital divide around the world. The Conference works to identify new areas
of necessary, productive focus, foster greater understanding, advance
research, and enlighten policy and practice going forward.

PPDD 2019 is particularly significant as it marks the 25th anniversary of
the recognition of the digital divide through social scientific research.
And, within PPDD 2019, we plan to have the largest worldwide gathering of
experts on technology, disability, and the digital divide ever.

The plenary sessions and breakouts will be webcast live on the *Internet
Society Livestream Channel <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/>*.
Other breakouts will be recorded and streamed later.

*VIEW ON LIVESTREAM: https://bit.ly/ppddlive <https://bit.ly/ppddlive>*

*AGENDA: https://bit.ly/ppddagenda <https://bit.ly/ppddagenda>*

*TWITTER: #ppdd2019 https://bit.ly/ppdd2019 <https://bit.ly/ppdd2019>*


*Permalink*
https://isoc.live/11075/




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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Wed May 22 13:52:10 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 13:52:10 -0400
Subject: [governance] Follow up meeting about ChristchurchCall
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvCmkLK_UTL3stVTXcjfJoYneB5i0pHRR2LrDR+p=yyWHg@mail.gmail.com>

We have a follow up meeting about Christchurchcall and sorry about the
short notice. We can get together tomorrow, 23 May 11 AM UTC to discuss the
Christchurchcall and next steps we need to take.

Please find the Bluejeans information below:

Meeting URL
https://bluejeans.com/442448273?src=join_info

Meeting ID
442 448 273

Want to dial in from a phone?

Dial one of the following numbers:
+1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
+1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
(see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)

Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #

Connecting from a room system?
Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode






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From anriette at apc.org  Thu May 23 06:18:34 2019
From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 12:18:34 +0200
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Follow-on from survey on the future of
 Bestbits: next steps
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Dear Sheetal

Apologies if this has been pointed out already, but this date and time
clashes with the JustNet Coalition Day event. Can that not be avoided?

Thanks

Anriette

-----------------------------
Anriette Esterhuysen
Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning
Association for Progressive Communications
apc.org
afrisig.org
anriette at apc.org

On 2019/05/23 11:24, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to plan
> the IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details below:
>
>   * Room Dougga
>   * June 11, _9am-12:30pm _
>   * Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia
>
> If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to be
> part of the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to meet
> before/after the event. I've set up a thread for those who expressed
> interest in this effort so I can add you to that too.
>
> Hope to see many of you soon!
>
> Best
> Sheetal.
> -- 
>
> On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
> <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>
>     Dear all, 
>
>     Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies
>     off-thread expressing interest in the effort. 
>
>     @Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space at the
>     RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful if not! Will
>     you be at RightsCon?
>
>     On the way forward:
>
>       * Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would like to
>         attend that first meeting as there is limited space but of
>         course we'd like to accommodate everyone who can attend
>       * If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then please
>         do get in touch anyway, as we will be keeping everyone updated
>         and you can input into the meeting agenda (and maybe even the
>         discussions if we have good wifi)
>
>     Best
>     Sheetal.
>
>     On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov
>     <ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>> wrote:
>
>         Dear all,
>
>          
>
>         Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could inquire
>         if we could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it takes place.
>
>          
>
>         Please let me know.
>
>          
>
>          
>
>         Bach Avezdjanov
>
>         Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>
>         Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>
>
>         Phone: 212 854 1591
>
>         Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE <https://twitter.com/ColumbiaGFOE>
>
>         Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>         <https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/>
>
>         *Subscribe to our Weekly News Letter!
>         <http://columbia.us8.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=5b024e7a0c16e2779164ac24d&id=67263d095b>*
>
>          
>
>          
>
>          
>
>          
>
>          
>
>         *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>         [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>] *On Behalf Of
>         *Lee W McKnight
>         *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM
>         *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi
>         Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>         <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt;
>         governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>         <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance; Sheetal Kumar
>         *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey
>         on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>
>          
>
>         Hi,
>
>          
>
>         Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.
>
>          
>
>         For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in
>         Hyderabad where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and
>         the DC on Internet Principles had a joint meeting to discuss
>         overlaps; we left with a Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights
>         and Principles. Which eventually led to the creation and
>         translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and Principles
>         among other positive outcomes. 
>
>          
>
>         So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out of
>         this; ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to help energize
>         also the cross-CS coordination right? 
>
>         Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and
>         methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty
>         meeting feel (at times to this prof).
>
>          
>
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>         *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>         <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>> on behalf of
>         Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>         <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>         *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
>         *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian
>         muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>         <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt;
>         governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>         <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance
>         *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey
>         on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>
>          
>
>         Dear all
>
>          
>
>         Following our discussions, and some discussions among some of 
>         those of us who attended the last call four weeks ago (notes &
>         participants here: 
>         https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see
>         below what some of us propose as a hopefully straightforward
>         plan going forward.
>
>           * IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a
>             day 0 event at IGF
>           * Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal
>             steering committee to organise the event - you don't have
>             to identify as 'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree
>             how to approach the organisation of the event however they
>             see fit
>           * Members of other lists are invited to join once an
>             informal agenda has been put together
>           * Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this
>             effort come together to discuss preliminary ideas - to
>             include the idea of focusing the day 0 event on reviving
>             IGC (and many others that have already been proposed)
>
>         Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like
>         we've now decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you
>         will agree that the discussions had so far, the interest and
>         commitment to global level coordination, would be usefully
>         served by collectively putting together an agenda that
>         responds to the interests of those committed to these efforts.
>
>          
>
>         Please provide your views on this.
>
>          
>
>         Best
>
>         Sheetal.
>
>          
>
>         On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar
>         <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>
>             Dear all,
>
>              
>
>             Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I
>             have the recording I'll send it around. In the meantime,
>             you can see a short summary at the top of the etherpad.
>             Apologies for its staccato nature but it should provide an
>             overview of what we discussed:
>             https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>             <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>
>              
>
>             In essence, we discussed the reasons that these
>             discussions about civil society coordination have recently
>             re-surfaced and those on the call reiterated the
>             commitment to global-level coordination and the need to
>             work together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the
>             survey results and discussed the fact that although about
>             half of the respondents supported exploring a 'merger'
>             with IGC, around half also thought expanding the mandate
>             of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the call
>             mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is
>             important to leverage and there is complementary between
>             Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore, we shouldn't lose
>             that in whatever we choose to do going forward.
>
>              
>
>             We discussed that proposing something more concrete to the
>             IGC would be helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could
>             work. We were cognizant of the limited number of the
>             people on the call, so we agreed to put something short
>             together and then to share it with you for your feedback
>             before sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working
>             on that simple proposal to share with you. I'll share it
>             shortly. If anyone else on the call wants to chime in with
>             more information please do.
>
>              
>
>             If you have any questions, please do let us know!
>
>              
>
>             Best
>
>             Sheetal.
>
>              
>
>             On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen
>             <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org
>             <mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>> wrote:
>
>                 I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust
>                 someone will
>                 report on the meeting.
>
>                 Regards,
>
>                 -- 
>                 Tapani Tarvainen
>
>                 On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar
>                 (sheetal at gp-digital.org
>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>) wrote:
>
>                 > Dear all,
>                 >
>                 > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting
>                 in under an hour at 1
>                 > PM UTC (see the link below).
>                 >
>                 > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>                 >
>                 > Best
>                 > Sheetal.
>                 >
>                 > Meeting room details
>                 >
>                 > *Meeting URL*
>                 > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>                 >
>                 > Meeting ID
>                 > 524 189 381
>                 > Want to dial in from a phone?
>                 >
>                 > Dial one of the following numbers:
>                 > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>                 > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>                 > (see all numbers -
>                 https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>                 >
>                 > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>                 >
>                 > Connecting from a room system?
>                 > Dial: bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152 and
>                 enter your meeting ID & passcode
>                 >
>                 > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar
>                 <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>                 >
>                 > > Dear all
>                 > >
>                 > > As promised, please find below the details for
>                 meeting us on *Wednesday,
>                 > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda
>                 further below too.
>                 > >
>                 > > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>                 > >
>                 > > Best
>                 > > Sheetal.
>                 > >
>                 > > Meeting room details
>                 > >
>                 > > *Meeting URL*
>                 > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>                 > >
>                 > > Meeting ID
>                 > > 524 189 381
>                 > > Want to dial in from a phone?
>                 > >
>                 > > Dial one of the following numbers:
>                 > > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>                 > > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>                 > > (see all numbers -
>                 https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>                 > >
>                 > > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>                 > >
>                 > > Connecting from a room system?
>                 > > Dial: bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152 and
>                 enter your meeting ID & passcode
>                 > >
>                 > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the
>                 discussion around
>                 > > improving coordination are welcome so please share
>                 with anyone relevant.
>                 > >
>                 > > Suggested agenda
>                 > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a
>                 recap of what's happened
>                 > > so far
>                 > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>                 > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>                 > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>                 > >
>                 > >
>                 > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian
>                 muthusamy <
>                 > > 6.internet at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>                 > >
>                 > >>
>                 > >> Dear Akinremi,
>                 > >>
>                 > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has
>                 reached the participants of
>                 > >> the Governance list, especially the thinking that
>                 "discussion about
>                 > >> merging should be limited to each group".  If
>                 riseup.net <http://riseup.net> is working,
>                 > >> then I do not have concerns.
>                 > >>
>                 > >> Thank you.
>                 > >>
>                 > >> Sivasubramanian M
>                 <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>                 > >> twitter.com/shivaindia
>                 <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>                 > >>
>                 > >>
>                 > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>                 > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>                 > >>
>                 > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>                 > >>>
>                 > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying
>                 igcaucus.org <http://igcaucus.org> mailbox is not
>                 > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on
>                 riseup.net <http://riseup.net> mailing-list.
>                 > >>> Please can you help me understand what you are
>                 trying to do so as to be
>                 > >>> able to help.
>                 > >>>
>                 > >>> Regards.
>                 > >>> Peter
>                 > >>>
>                 > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian
>                 muthusamy <
>                 > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>                 > >>>
>                 > >>>>
>                 > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by
>                 the Bestbits list to
>                 > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on
>                 a different problem. The
>                 > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving
>                 messages, who is managing the
>                 > >>>> Governance lists please?
>                 > >>>>
>                 > >>>> Sivasubramanian M
>                 <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>                 > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>                 <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>                 > >>>>
>                 > >>>>
>                 > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter
>                 Taiwo <
>                 > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>
>                 > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>                 > >>>>>
>                 > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey
>                 should be limited to
>                 > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about
>                 merging should be limited to
>                 > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to do
>                 a kind of an independent
>                 > >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of
>                 whether the group should cease
>                 > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some
>                 folks on the IGC group wants IGC
>                 > >>>>> to remain as it is.
>                 > >>>>>
>                 > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly shared
>                 some contacts on the
>                 > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the privacy
>                 issue you are referring to.
>                 > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the
>                 picture of any privacy issue that
>                 > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw
>                 more light on this.
>                 > >>>>>
>                 > >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of
>                 CSCG, part of our
>                 > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil
>                 society organization in the
>                 > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the
>                 individual wearing many hat remains.
>                 > >>>>>
>                 > >>>>> Regards.
>                 > >>>>> Peter
>                 > >>>>>
>                 > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM
>                 Sivasubramanian M <
>                 > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net
>                 <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>
>                 > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a
>                 limited response, only
>                 > >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>                 > >>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC
>                 list?  Possibly the poll
>                 > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are
>                 subscribed only to the IGC list.
>                 > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says
>                 "future of Bestbits" rather than
>                 > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>                 > >>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>                 > >>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
>                 > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>> Dear all,
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of
>                 engagement in these
>                 > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil
>                 society coordination, and I know
>                 > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing
>                 motivation. The conversations have
>                 > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in
>                 changing the current situation
>                 > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a
>                 coordination network), and
>                 > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen
>                 global civil society coordination
>                 > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the
>                 survey which gathered a
>                 > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful. I
>                 attached a summary report of
>                 > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last IGF
>                 in Paris there was discussion
>                 > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this year.
>                 Before we do that however, it
>                 > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to
>                 the survey and agree a way
>                 > >>>>>>> forward.
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a
>                 suggested agenda. It would be
>                 > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March
>                 so I can confirm the date and
>                 > >>>>>>> set up a room.
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>                 > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>                 > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>                 > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy
>                 and contributions so far!
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>> Best
>                 > >>>>>>> Sheetal.
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar
>                 <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>                 > >>>>>>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>> Dear all,
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed
>                 the survey. I have
>                 > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text
>                 document, with a summary included
>                 > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split
>                 call, with the first half
>                 > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and suggesting
>                 a way forward (45 minutes-1
>                 > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed
>                 necessary, with IGC founders and other
>                 > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that
>                 as a separate call too.
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey
>                 have been to find a way
>                 > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society
>                 coordination, and thus to change
>                 > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that
>                 they help in finding a way
>                 > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing,
>                 responds to the widest possible
>                 > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any other
>                 suggestions on how to proceed,
>                 > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send
>                 around a doodle for a follow up
>                 > >>>>>>>> call.
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>> Best
>                 > >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar
>                 <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>                 > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of
>                 responses but it would be great
>                 > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future
>                 of Bestbits. If you could fill
>                 > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that
>                 would be much appreciated.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for
>                 another call to decide next
>                 > >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> Best
>                 > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
>                 > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the
>                 survey so thank you to
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do
>                 lend your views if you can,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey
>                 responses will feed into the next set
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Best
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal Kumar <
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this
>                 thread, please see a
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on the
>                 future of Bestbits. Following a
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of
>                 Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be
>                 circulated to gather views of all members.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background
>                 information note which
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions so
>                 far, and links to the summaries of
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing
>                 list, you are invited to
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future
>                 discussions in a timely way, please
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*.
>                 Should you have any
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get
>                 in touch.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Best
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal
>                 Kumar <
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in
>                 the call yesterday. For
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call,
>                 you'll find the list of participants
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the
>                 possible ways forward for
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous
>                 conversation in December and the
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general agreement
>                 that both Bestbits and
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in
>                 fulfilling their objectives,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to
>                 coordination and we agreed to circulate a
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather
>                 perspectives on four suggested ways forward
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It
>                 was suggested that this survey with
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a
>                 decision on the future of the
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be
>                 circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be greatly
>                 appreciated.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal
>                 Kumar <
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that
>                 the call on next steps is
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from*
>                 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous
>                 email and I've updated the
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad
>                 <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal
>                 Kumar <
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the doodle!
>                 It seems the best time
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on
>                 February 11*. The full
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how to
>                 join, are below.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up the
>                 room. Looking forward
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as
>                 possible on the 11th!
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC
>                 <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc
>                 <http://bjn.vc> -or-199.48.152.152
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers -
>                 http://bluejeans.com/numbers
>                 <http://bluejeans.com/numbers>)
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in, your
>                 phone number will
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page. We
>                 would like to record and share the
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on the
>                 mailing list. Please let us know if
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be
>                 shared on an open mailing list if you
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the
>                 Bestbits and IGC lists,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a merger
>                 + other options
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>                 challenges and issues faced in
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger
>                 of lists/establishment
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo -
>                 using lists as information sharing
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next steps/agreement
>                 on process for decision
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those
>                 who indicated they were available for
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as
>                 a Bestbits member you can join the
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the
>                 pad, this is just to have a vague idea
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13, Sheetal
>                 Kumar <
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the
>                 engagement on this topic, and
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared
>                 their perspectives and the relevant
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we
>                 agreed to touch base
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to
>                 agree a way forward. The discussions here
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the
>                 discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for
>                 our second call to
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a
>                 suggested agenda:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>                 challenges and issues faced
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger
>                 of lists/establishment
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo,
>                 e.g using lists as information sharing
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next
>                 steps/agreement on process for
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of
>                 Bestbits
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged
>                 the last call, we
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are
>                 invited but that we also reach out to
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some
>                 background and inform the discussion
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the
>                 doodle by the end of next
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a
>                 time and send the conference room link
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10,
>                 Deirdre Williams <
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:williams.deirdre at gmail.com>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this discussion
>                 with care, and have a
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to
>                 fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped
>                 sharing
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/
>                 working together within IGC and Bestbits
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two
>                 groups again really improve participation?
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look at
>                 what needs to be done,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to
>                 do it?
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same as
>                 the people who started
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same objectives,
>                 same perceptions and perspectives, same
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions
>                 it seems unlikely that
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please
>                 consider IRPC (which many
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is
>                 currently having some difficulty with
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry out
>                 management tasks for the group.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means
>                 to discuss issues and
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this
>                 the right way to do that now or do we need
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09,
>                 Jeremy Malcolm <
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au
>                 <mailto:jeremy at malcolm.id.au>> wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar
>                 wrote:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the
>                 first Steering Committee
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more information
>                 about how it was
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had
>                 become toxic and
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had
>                 been a while since it had
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At the
>                 same time, the 2012 ITU
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to
>                 collaborate on joint action
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between
>                 people both inside and
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the
>                 first volunteer steering
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society
>                 politics that had driven
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt Best
>                 Bits too. There were
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about
>                 various participants having
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough
>                 about their own funding.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been fairly
>                 lightweight and
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of
>                 accountability resulted in
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more
>                 elaborate set of rules
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too
>                 heavy and people weren't
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes,
>                 indicating that the more
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing
>                 people who could
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections, I'd
>                 be all for that. But I
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given
>                 as much time to it as
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my
>                 energy on my new nonprofit
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy
>                 advocate, geek
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr
>                 '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 ____________________________________________________________
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as a
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>                 settings, visit:
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     
>                 http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty
>                 is not money but
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur
>                 Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>                 London, E1 5JL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>                 (0)7739569514  |
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>                 London, E1 5JL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>                 (0)7739569514  |
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>                 London, E1 5JL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>                 (0)7739569514  |
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>                 London, E1 5JL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>                 (0)7739569514  |
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>                 London, E1 5JL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>                 (0)7739569514  |
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>                 London, E1 5JL
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>                 (0)7739569514  |
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>                 > >>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>                 > >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>                 > >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London,
>                 E1 5JL
>                 > >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>                 (0)7739569514  |
>                 > >>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>                 > >>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>                 > >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>                 > >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London,
>                 E1 5JL
>                 > >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>                 (0)7739569514  |
>                 > >>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>                 > >>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>                 > >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>                 > >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London,
>                 E1 5JL
>                 > >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>                 > >>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint:
>                 F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>                 > >>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>>
>                 ____________________________________________________________
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>                 > >>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>>
>                 > >>>>>> --
>                 > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>                 > >>>>>> Please send all replies to
>                 6.Internet at gmail.com <mailto:6.Internet at gmail.com>
>                 > >>>>>>
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>                 > >>>>>
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>                 <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>                 > >>>>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>                 > >>>>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>                 <http://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi>
>                 > >>>>>
>                 <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>                 > >>>>>
>                 > >>>>
>                 > >>>
>                 > >>> --
>                 > >>>
>                 > >>>
>                 <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>                 > >>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>                 > >>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>                 <http://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi>
>                 > >>>
>                 <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>                 > >>>
>                 > >>
>                 > >
>                 > > --
>                 > >
>                 > >
>                 > > *Sheetal Kumar*
>                 > > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>                 > > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>                 > > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>                 > > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5
>                 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>                 > > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>                 > >
>                 > >
>                 >
>                 > --
>                 >
>                 >
>                 > *Sheetal Kumar*
>                 > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>                 > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>                 > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>                 > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5
>                 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F
>                 > E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>
>                 >
>                 ____________________________________________________________
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>
>
>
>             -- 
>
>              
>
>              
>
>             *Sheetal Kumar*
>
>             Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>
>             Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>
>             T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>             PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D
>             173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>
>
>
>         -- 
>
>          
>
>          
>
>         *Sheetal Kumar*
>
>         Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>
>         Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>
>         T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>         PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>         E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>
>
>
>     -- 
>     *
>     *
>     *
>     *
>     *Sheetal Kumar*
>     Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>     Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>     T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>     PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>     0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>
>
>
> -- 
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *Sheetal Kumar*
> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Fri May  3 05:45:46 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Remmy Nweke (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Fri, 3 May 2019 10:45:46 +0100
Subject: [governance] [Call for Collective Action] Content Moderation on
 the Internet/Christchurch summit
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvCzcV8F1Nw+PAX=uXhCpLDax0zX5MMoZAoiftEqSiyBJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvCzcV8F1Nw+PAX=uXhCpLDax0zX5MMoZAoiftEqSiyBJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc__op7TKz6_WXLVNs5RCw0T=Be=LuYOGLGY83SPh4GLo_3vw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Farzaneh
Worthy of participation. Will follow up with the link.
Remmy

On Fri, 3 May 2019, 3:21 a.m. farzaneh badii <governance at lists.riseup.net
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> During the G7 Summit on 15 May 2019, France and New Zealand intend to
> invite the world leaders and tech companies to agree to a pledge to eliminate
> terrorist and violent extremist content online. There will be a civil
> society event before the 15 May meeting which is by invitation.
>
> Regardless of the format of the meeting and whether its output would be
> even effective, Civil Society should collectively take action regarding
> such multilateral attempts and influence the process as much as possible.
> Especially when it comes to content moderation and content regulation, if
> decisions are taken carelessly, we might see the values of the global,
> interoperable Internet be undermined.
>
> The InternetNZ (the ccTLD registry of New Zealand) aims to facilitate the
> participation of civil society along with the technical community (not
> technology nor platform corporations) in this process hence they have
> issued a call at this link https://internetnz.nz/Christchurch-Call and
> set up an online forum where we can discuss a statement that can be
> presented during the civil society meeting on May 14 in Paris
> <https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/nz-and-france-seek-end-use-social-media-acts-terrorism>,
> or we can generally have discussions on the forum about this event, how
> civil society and technical community should react to such initiatives and
> whether we should and if so how we can provide input for a process that is
> multilateral. We can also discuss topics that can be raised during the
> civil society meeting on 14 May. Representatives of civil society
> organizations will report around the meeting of 14 May, via the online
> Forum and various civil society mailing lists including IGC.
>
> Please join the online forum provided by InternetNZ(
> https://internetnz.nz/Christchurch-Call ) and discuss the issue of
> terrorist content moderation online and how it should be tackled. We can
> also have preparatory and consultation meetings before 14 May.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
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From anriette at apc.org  Thu May 23 06:37:08 2019
From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 12:37:08 +0200
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Follow-on from survey on the future of
 Bestbits: next steps
In-Reply-To: <CAK78muR+qD=rtgnr6FKeZcSE2Jh1xJrLvmUGehJfjWJ6prc-vQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK78muTTBfjEfrOYbJmz7Xba=dN8WUYh9vY5THAaEOxSiYyArQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <df7ad788-9ca3-fec9-c091-0ff05609b7b7@apc.org>

Dear Sheetal

You are right. I just checked. I was misled by this gif in Twitter but I
checked Parminder's email, and you are correct. The event is in the
afternoon.

Apologies.

Anriette


: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6rajorVUAAN1Wq.png:large

-----------------------------
Anriette Esterhuysen
Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning
Association for Progressive Communications
apc.org
afrisig.org
anriette at apc.org

On 2019/05/23 12:27, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
> Dear Anriette, all,
>
> I thought the JustNet Coalition event was scheduled from 2:00-4:15 pm
> on June 11. Is this correct or is there also another event before?
>
> Best
> Sheetal
>
> On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 11:19, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org
> <mailto:anriette at apc.org>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Sheetal
>
>     Apologies if this has been pointed out already, but this date and
>     time clashes with the JustNet Coalition Day event. Can that not be
>     avoided?
>
>     Thanks
>
>     Anriette
>
>     -----------------------------
>     Anriette Esterhuysen
>     Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning
>     Association for Progressive Communications
>     apc.org <http://apc.org>
>     afrisig.org <http://afrisig.org>
>     anriette at apc.org <mailto:anriette at apc.org>
>
>     On 2019/05/23 11:24, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>     Dear all,
>>
>>     Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to
>>     plan the IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details
>>     below:
>>
>>       * Room Dougga
>>       * June 11, _9am-12:30pm _
>>       * Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia
>>
>>     If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to
>>     be part of the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to
>>     meet before/after the event. I've set up a thread for those who
>>     expressed interest in this effort so I can add you to that too.
>>
>>     Hope to see many of you soon!
>>
>>     Best
>>     Sheetal.
>>     -- 
>>
>>     On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar
>>     <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>
>>         Dear all, 
>>
>>         Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies
>>         off-thread expressing interest in the effort. 
>>
>>         @Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space
>>         at the RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful
>>         if not! Will you be at RightsCon?
>>
>>         On the way forward:
>>
>>           * Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would like
>>             to attend that first meeting as there is limited space
>>             but of course we'd like to accommodate everyone who can
>>             attend
>>           * If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then
>>             please do get in touch anyway, as we will be keeping
>>             everyone updated and you can input into the meeting
>>             agenda (and maybe even the discussions if we have good wifi)
>>
>>         Best
>>         Sheetal.
>>
>>         On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov
>>         <ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>             Dear all,
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could
>>             inquire if we could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it
>>             takes place.
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Please let me know.
>>
>>              
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Bach Avezdjanov
>>
>>             Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>
>>             Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>
>>
>>             Phone: 212 854 1591
>>
>>             Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE <https://twitter.com/ColumbiaGFOE>
>>
>>             Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>             <https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/>
>>
>>             *Subscribe to our Weekly News Letter!
>>             <http://columbia.us8.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=5b024e7a0c16e2779164ac24d&id=67263d095b>*
>>
>>              
>>
>>              
>>
>>              
>>
>>              
>>
>>              
>>
>>             *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>             <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>>             [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>             <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>] *On Behalf
>>             Of *Lee W McKnight
>>             *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM
>>             *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy;
>>             Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>             <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt;
>>             governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>             <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance;
>>             Sheetal Kumar
>>             *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from
>>             survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Hi,
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.
>>
>>              
>>
>>             For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in
>>             Hyderabad where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights
>>             and the DC on Internet Principles had a joint meeting to
>>             discuss overlaps; we left with a Dynamic Coalition on
>>             Internet Rights and Principles. Which eventually led to
>>             the creation and translation of the Charter on Internet
>>             Rights and Principles among other positive outcomes. 
>>
>>              
>>
>>             So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward
>>             out of this; ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to
>>             help energize also the cross-CS coordination right? 
>>
>>             Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset
>>             and methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal
>>             faculty meeting feel (at times to this prof).
>>
>>              
>>
>>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>             *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>             <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>>             <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>             <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>> on behalf
>>             of Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>             <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>             *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
>>             *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian
>>             muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo;
>>             bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>             <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt;
>>             governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>             <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance
>>             *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from
>>             survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Dear all
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Following our discussions, and some discussions among
>>             some of  those of us who attended the last call four
>>             weeks ago (notes & participants here: 
>>             https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see
>>             below what some of us propose as a hopefully
>>             straightforward plan going forward.
>>
>>               * IGC and Bestbits list members work together to
>>                 organise a day 0 event at IGF
>>               * Volunteers from both lists come together in an
>>                 informal steering committee to organise the event -
>>                 you don't have to identify as 'Bestbits'/IGC
>>                 necessarily and can agree how to approach the
>>                 organisation of the event however they see fit
>>               * Members of other lists are invited to join once an
>>                 informal agenda has been put together
>>               * Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in
>>                 this effort come together to discuss preliminary
>>                 ideas - to include the idea of focusing the day 0
>>                 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have
>>                 already been proposed)
>>
>>             Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound
>>             like we've now decided to just organise a meeting again I
>>             hope you will agree that the discussions had so far, the
>>             interest and commitment to global level coordination,
>>             would be usefully served by collectively putting together
>>             an agenda that responds to the interests of those
>>             committed to these efforts.
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Please provide your views on this.
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Best
>>
>>             Sheetal.
>>
>>              
>>
>>             On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar
>>             <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>             wrote:
>>
>>                 Dear all,
>>
>>                  
>>
>>                 Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once
>>                 I have the recording I'll send it around. In the
>>                 meantime, you can see a short summary at the top of
>>                 the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but
>>                 it should provide an overview of what we discussed:
>>                 https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>                 <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>
>>                  
>>
>>                 In essence, we discussed the reasons that these
>>                 discussions about civil society coordination have
>>                 recently re-surfaced and those on the call reiterated
>>                 the commitment to global-level coordination and the
>>                 need to work together in a less fragmented way. We
>>                 looked at the survey results and discussed the fact
>>                 that although about half of the respondents supported
>>                 exploring a 'merger' with IGC, around half also
>>                 thought expanding the mandate of the CSCG could be an
>>                 option. However, those on the call mentioned that the
>>                 historical standing of the IGC is important to
>>                 leverage and there is complementary between Bestbits
>>                 and IGCs mandates. Therefore, we shouldn't lose that
>>                 in whatever we choose to do going forward.
>>
>>                  
>>
>>                 We discussed that proposing something more concrete
>>                 to the IGC would be helpful in terms of how a
>>                 'merger' could work. We were cognizant of the limited
>>                 number of the people on the call, so we agreed to put
>>                 something short together and then to share it with
>>                 you for your feedback before sharing it with IGC. At
>>                 the moment, we're working on that simple proposal to
>>                 share with you. I'll share it shortly. If anyone else
>>                 on the call wants to chime in with more information
>>                 please do.
>>
>>                  
>>
>>                 If you have any questions, please do let us know!
>>
>>                  
>>
>>                 Best
>>
>>                 Sheetal.
>>
>>                  
>>
>>                 On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen
>>                 <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org
>>                 <mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>> wrote:
>>
>>                     I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust
>>                     someone will
>>                     report on the meeting.
>>
>>                     Regards,
>>
>>                     -- 
>>                     Tapani Tarvainen
>>
>>                     On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar
>>                     (sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>) wrote:
>>
>>                     > Dear all,
>>                     >
>>                     > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be
>>                     meeting in under an hour at 1
>>                     > PM UTC (see the link below).
>>                     >
>>                     > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>                     >
>>                     > Best
>>                     > Sheetal.
>>                     >
>>                     > Meeting room details
>>                     >
>>                     > *Meeting URL*
>>                     > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>                     >
>>                     > Meeting ID
>>                     > 524 189 381
>>                     > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>                     >
>>                     > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>                     > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>                     > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>                     > (see all numbers -
>>                     https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>                     >
>>                     > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>                     >
>>                     > Connecting from a room system?
>>                     > Dial: bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152
>>                     and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>                     >
>>                     > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar
>>                     <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                     >
>>                     > > Dear all
>>                     > >
>>                     > > As promised, please find below the details
>>                     for meeting us on *Wednesday,
>>                     > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the
>>                     agenda further below too.
>>                     > >
>>                     > > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>                     > >
>>                     > > Best
>>                     > > Sheetal.
>>                     > >
>>                     > > Meeting room details
>>                     > >
>>                     > > *Meeting URL*
>>                     > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>                     > >
>>                     > > Meeting ID
>>                     > > 524 189 381
>>                     > > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>                     > >
>>                     > > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>                     > > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>                     > > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>                     > > (see all numbers -
>>                     https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>                     > >
>>                     > > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>                     > >
>>                     > > Connecting from a room system?
>>                     > > Dial: bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> or
>>                     199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>                     > >
>>                     > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in
>>                     the discussion around
>>                     > > improving coordination are welcome so please
>>                     share with anyone relevant.
>>                     > >
>>                     > > Suggested agenda
>>                     > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this
>>                     discussion/a recap of what's happened
>>                     > > so far
>>                     > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>                     > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>                     > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>                     > >
>>                     > >
>>                     > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian
>>                     muthusamy <
>>                     > > 6.internet at gmail.com
>>                     <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>                     > >
>>                     > >>
>>                     > >> Dear Akinremi,
>>                     > >>
>>                     > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has
>>                     reached the participants of
>>                     > >> the Governance list, especially the thinking
>>                     that "discussion about
>>                     > >> merging should be limited to each group". 
>>                     If riseup.net <http://riseup.net> is working,
>>                     > >> then I do not have concerns.
>>                     > >>
>>                     > >> Thank you.
>>                     > >>
>>                     > >> Sivasubramanian M
>>                     <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>                     > >> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>                     <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>>                     > >>
>>                     > >>
>>                     > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi
>>                     Peter Taiwo <
>>                     > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>>                     <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>                     > >>
>>                     > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>                     > >>>
>>                     > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying
>>                     igcaucus.org <http://igcaucus.org> mailbox is not
>>                     > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted
>>                     on riseup.net <http://riseup.net> mailing-list.
>>                     > >>> Please can you help me understand what you
>>                     are trying to do so as to be
>>                     > >>> able to help.
>>                     > >>>
>>                     > >>> Regards.
>>                     > >>> Peter
>>                     > >>>
>>                     > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM
>>                     sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>                     > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com
>>                     <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>
>>                     > >>>>
>>                     > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally
>>                     decided by the Bestbits list to
>>                     > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note
>>                     here on a different problem. The
>>                     > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving
>>                     messages, who is managing the
>>                     > >>>> Governance lists please?
>>                     > >>>>
>>                     > >>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>                     <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>                     > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>                     <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>>                     > >>>>
>>                     > >>>>
>>                     > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi
>>                     Peter Taiwo <
>>                     > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>>                     <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>
>>                     > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>                     > >>>>>
>>                     > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the
>>                     survey should be limited to
>>                     > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion
>>                     about merging should be limited to
>>                     > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group
>>                     to do a kind of an independent
>>                     > >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision
>>                     of whether the group should cease
>>                     > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that
>>                     some folks on the IGC group wants IGC
>>                     > >>>>> to remain as it is.
>>                     > >>>>>
>>                     > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly
>>                     shared some contacts on the
>>                     > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the
>>                     privacy issue you are referring to.
>>                     > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the
>>                     picture of any privacy issue that
>>                     > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could
>>                     throw more light on this.
>>                     > >>>>>
>>                     > >>>>> I could also remembered during the review
>>                     of CSCG, part of our
>>                     > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional
>>                     civil society organization in the
>>                     > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the
>>                     individual wearing many hat remains.
>>                     > >>>>>
>>                     > >>>>> Regards.
>>                     > >>>>> Peter
>>                     > >>>>>
>>                     > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM
>>                     Sivasubramanian M <
>>                     > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net
>>                     <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see
>>                     a limited response, only
>>                     > >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>>                     > >>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the
>>                     IGC list?  Possibly the poll
>>                     > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who
>>                     are subscribed only to the IGC list.
>>                     > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message
>>                     says "future of Bestbits" rather than
>>                     > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>                     > >>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>                     > >>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal
>>                     Kumar <
>>                     > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level
>>                     of engagement in these
>>                     > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil
>>                     society coordination, and I know
>>                     > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing
>>                     motivation. The conversations have
>>                     > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in
>>                     changing the current situation
>>                     > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a
>>                     coordination network), and
>>                     > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen
>>                     global civil society coordination
>>                     > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and
>>                     the survey which gathered a
>>                     > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been
>>                     helpful. I attached a summary report of
>>                     > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the
>>                     last IGF in Paris there was discussion
>>                     > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this
>>                     year. Before we do that however, it
>>                     > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses
>>                     to the survey and agree a way
>>                     > >>>>>>> forward.
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a
>>                     suggested agenda. It would be
>>                     > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29
>>                     March so I can confirm the date and
>>                     > >>>>>>> set up a room.
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>                     > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>                     > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>                     > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your
>>                     energy and contributions so far!
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> Best
>>                     > >>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal
>>                     Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who
>>                     completed the survey. I have
>>                     > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a
>>                     text document, with a summary included
>>                     > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split
>>                     call, with the first half
>>                     > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and
>>                     suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
>>                     > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed
>>                     necessary, with IGC founders and other
>>                     > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange
>>                     that as a separate call too.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the
>>                     survey have been to find a way
>>                     > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society
>>                     coordination, and thus to change
>>                     > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope
>>                     that they help in finding a way
>>                     > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so
>>                     doing, responds to the widest possible
>>                     > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any
>>                     other suggestions on how to proceed,
>>                     > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll
>>                     send around a doodle for a follow up
>>                     > >>>>>>>> call.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>> Best
>>                     > >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal
>>                     Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of
>>                     responses but it would be great
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the
>>                     future of Bestbits. If you could fill
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday
>>                     that would be much appreciated.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle
>>                     for another call to decide next
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Best
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal
>>                     Kumar <
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to
>>                     the survey so thank you to
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please
>>                     do lend your views if you can,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey
>>                     responses will feed into the next set
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of
>>                     Bestbits.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37,
>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on
>>                     this thread, please see a
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views
>>                     on the future of Bestbits. Following a
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of
>>                     Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be
>>                     circulated to gather views of all members.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a
>>                     background information note which
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the
>>                     discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing
>>                     list, you are invited to
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform
>>                     future discussions in a timely way, please
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*.
>>                     Should you have any
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to
>>                     get in touch.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08,
>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who
>>                     participated in the call yesterday. For
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the
>>                     call, you'll find the list of participants
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the
>>                     possible ways forward for
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous
>>                     conversation in December and the
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general
>>                     agreement that both Bestbits and
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in
>>                     fulfilling their objectives,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to
>>                     coordination and we agreed to circulate a
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather
>>                     perspectives on four suggested ways forward
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call.
>>                     It was suggested that this survey with
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into
>>                     a decision on the future of the
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be
>>                     circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be
>>                     greatly appreciated.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47,
>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder
>>                     that the call on next steps is
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February
>>                     from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my
>>                     previous email and I've updated the
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad
>>                     <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to
>>                     you then!
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07,
>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the
>>                     doodle! It seems the best time
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on
>>                     February 11*. The full
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including
>>                     how to join, are below.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting
>>                     up the room. Looking forward
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as
>>                     possible on the 11th!
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC
>>                     <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
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>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of
>>                     the Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a
>>                     merger + other options
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>>                     challenges and issues faced in
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g
>>                     merger of lists/establishment
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo
>>                     - using lists as information sharing
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next
>>                     steps/agreement on process for decision
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of
>>                     those who indicated they were available for
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of
>>                     course, as a Bestbits member you can join the
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in
>>                     the pad, this is just to have a vague idea
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13,
>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the
>>                     engagement on this topic, and
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared
>>                     their perspectives and the relevant
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the
>>                     call we agreed to touch base
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January
>>                     to agree a way forward. The discussions here
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the
>>                     discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space
>>                     for us.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle
>>                     for our second call to
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a
>>                     suggested agenda:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>>                     challenges and issues faced
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g
>>                     merger of lists/establishment
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status
>>                     quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>                     approach
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next
>>                     steps/agreement on process for
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding
>>                     future of Bestbits
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who
>>                     arranged the last call, we
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members
>>                     are invited but that we also reach out to
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide
>>                     some background and inform the discussion
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the
>>                     doodle by the end of next
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can
>>                     set a time and send the conference room link
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10,
>>                     Deirdre Williams <
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com
>>                     <mailto:williams.deirdre at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this
>>                     discussion with care, and have a
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem
>>                     to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less
>>                     stopped sharing
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/
>>                     working together within IGC and Bestbits
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the
>>                     two groups again really improve participation?
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to
>>                     look at what needs to be done,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we
>>                     want to do it?
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the
>>                     same as the people who started
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same
>>                     objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these
>>                     questions it seems unlikely that
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration
>>                     please consider IRPC (which many
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is
>>                     currently having some difficulty with
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to
>>                     carry out management tasks for the group.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a
>>                     means to discuss issues and
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is
>>                     this the right way to do that now or do we need
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09,
>>                     Jeremy Malcolm <
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au
>>                     <mailto:jeremy at malcolm.id.au>> wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal
>>                     Kumar wrote:
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of
>>                     the first Steering Committee
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more
>>                     information about how it was
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse
>>                     had become toxic and
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It
>>                     had been a while since it had
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement.
>>                     At the same time, the 2012 ITU
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to
>>                     collaborate on joint action
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations
>>                     between people both inside and
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the
>>                     first volunteer steering
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil
>>                     society politics that had driven
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt
>>                     Best Bits too. There were
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about
>>                     various participants having
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent
>>                     enough about their own funding.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been
>>                     fairly lightweight and
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms
>>                     of accountability resulted in
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a
>>                     more elaborate set of rules
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was
>>                     too heavy and people weren't
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new
>>                     processes, indicating that the more
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been
>>                     better.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of
>>                     willing people who could
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal
>>                     elections, I'd be all for that. But I
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have
>>                     given as much time to it as
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my
>>                     energy on my new nonprofit
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons)
>>                     B Com
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy
>>                     advocate, geek
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr
>>                     '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     ____________________________________________________________
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>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for
>>                     poverty is not money but
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur
>>                     Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL
>>                     PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury
>>                     Street, London, E1 5JL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>                     DIGITAL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury
>>                     Street, London, E1 5JL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
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>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>                     DIGITAL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury
>>                     Street, London, E1 5JL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>                     DIGITAL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>                     DIGITAL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>                     > >>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                     > >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>                     > >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>                     > >>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>                     > >>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                     > >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>                     > >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>                     > >>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>                     > >>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>                     ____________________________________________________________
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>>                     > >>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>                     > >>>>>> Please send all replies to
>>                     6.Internet at gmail.com <mailto:6.Internet at gmail.com>
>>                     > >>>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>> ---
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>>                     > >>>>> --
>>                     > >>>>>
>>                     > >>>>>
>>                     <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>                     > >>>>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>>                     > >>>>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>>                     <http://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi>
>>                     > >>>>>
>>                     <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>                     > >>>>>
>>                     > >>>>
>>                     > >>>
>>                     > >>> --
>>                     > >>>
>>                     > >>>
>>                     <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>                     > >>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>>                     > >>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>>                     <http://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi>
>>                     > >>>
>>                     <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>                     > >>>
>>                     > >>
>>                     > >
>>                     > > --
>>                     > >
>>                     > >
>>                     > > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                     > > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>                     > > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>                     > > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint:
>>                     F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>>                     > > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>                     > >
>>                     > >
>>                     >
>>                     > --
>>                     >
>>                     >
>>                     > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                     > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                     > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>                     > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>                     > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint:
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>>
>>                     >
>>                     ____________________________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>                 -- 
>>
>>                  
>>
>>                  
>>
>>                 *Sheetal Kumar*
>>
>>                 Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>
>>                 Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>
>>                 T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>                 PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5
>>                 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>
>>
>>
>>             -- 
>>
>>              
>>
>>              
>>
>>             *Sheetal Kumar*
>>
>>             Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>
>>             Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>
>>             T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>             PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D
>>             173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>
>>
>>
>>         -- 
>>         *
>>         *
>>         *
>>         *
>>         *Sheetal Kumar*
>>         Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>         Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>         T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>         PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>         E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     *
>>     *
>>     *
>>     *
>>     *Sheetal Kumar*
>>     Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>     Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>     T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>     PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>     0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>
>>
>>     ____________________________________________________________
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> -- 
> *
> *
> *
> *
> *Sheetal Kumar*
> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 16:15:30 +0530
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Follow-on from survey on the future of
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Dear Anriette

Thanks for this.

Fortunately, we changed the timing to after lunch (200 - 415 PM), and so
people should be able to attend both...

The timing and venue now is as follows


Just Net Colaition invites you to our workshop
*What do social movements need to do in the age of data? Towards a
digital justice manifesto*

Venue: Hôtel LAICO Tunis (RightsCon Venue), CARTHAGE 2
Date: June 11, 2:00-4:15 pm


Best regards

parminder

On 23/05/19 3:48 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>
> Dear Sheetal
>
> Apologies if this has been pointed out already, but this date and time
> clashes with the JustNet Coalition Day event. Can that not be avoided?
>
> Thanks
>
> Anriette
>
> -----------------------------
> Anriette Esterhuysen
> Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning
> Association for Progressive Communications
> apc.org
> afrisig.org
> anriette at apc.org
> On 2019/05/23 11:24, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to plan
>> the IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details below:
>>
>>   * Room Dougga
>>   * June 11, _9am-12:30pm _
>>   * Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia
>>
>> If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to be
>> part of the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to meet
>> before/after the event. I've set up a thread for those who expressed
>> interest in this effort so I can add you to that too.
>>
>> Hope to see many of you soon!
>>
>> Best
>> Sheetal.
>> -- 
>>
>> On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>> <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Dear all, 
>>
>>     Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies
>>     off-thread expressing interest in the effort. 
>>
>>     @Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space at
>>     the RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful if not!
>>     Will you be at RightsCon?
>>
>>     On the way forward:
>>
>>       * Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would like to
>>         attend that first meeting as there is limited space but of
>>         course we'd like to accommodate everyone who can attend
>>       * If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then please
>>         do get in touch anyway, as we will be keeping everyone
>>         updated and you can input into the meeting agenda (and maybe
>>         even the discussions if we have good wifi)
>>
>>     Best
>>     Sheetal.
>>
>>     On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov
>>     <ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>         Dear all,
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could
>>         inquire if we could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it takes
>>         place.
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Please let me know.
>>
>>          
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Bach Avezdjanov
>>
>>         Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>
>>         Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>
>>
>>         Phone: 212 854 1591
>>
>>         Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE <https://twitter.com/ColumbiaGFOE>
>>
>>         Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>         <https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/>
>>
>>         *Subscribe to our Weekly News Letter!
>>         <http://columbia.us8.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=5b024e7a0c16e2779164ac24d&id=67263d095b>*
>>
>>          
>>
>>          
>>
>>          
>>
>>          
>>
>>          
>>
>>         *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>>         [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>] *On Behalf Of
>>         *Lee W McKnight
>>         *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM
>>         *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy; Akinremi
>>         Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>         <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt;
>>         governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>         <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance; Sheetal Kumar
>>         *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey
>>         on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Hi,
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.
>>
>>          
>>
>>         For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in
>>         Hyderabad where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and
>>         the DC on Internet Principles had a joint meeting to discuss
>>         overlaps; we left with a Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights
>>         and Principles. Which eventually led to the creation and
>>         translation of the Charter on Internet Rights and Principles
>>         among other positive outcomes. 
>>
>>          
>>
>>         So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward out of
>>         this; ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to help energize
>>         also the cross-CS coordination right? 
>>
>>         Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset and
>>         methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal faculty
>>         meeting feel (at times to this prof).
>>
>>          
>>
>>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>         *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>>         <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>         <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>> on behalf of
>>         Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>         <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>         *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
>>         *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian
>>         muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>         <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt;
>>         governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>         <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance
>>         *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from survey
>>         on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Dear all
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Following our discussions, and some discussions among some
>>         of  those of us who attended the last call four weeks ago
>>         (notes & participants here: 
>>         https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture), see
>>         below what some of us propose as a hopefully straightforward
>>         plan going forward.
>>
>>           * IGC and Bestbits list members work together to organise a
>>             day 0 event at IGF
>>           * Volunteers from both lists come together in an informal
>>             steering committee to organise the event - you don't have
>>             to identify as 'Bestbits'/IGC necessarily and can agree
>>             how to approach the organisation of the event however
>>             they see fit
>>           * Members of other lists are invited to join once an
>>             informal agenda has been put together
>>           * Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in this
>>             effort come together to discuss preliminary ideas - to
>>             include the idea of focusing the day 0 event on reviving
>>             IGC (and many others that have already been proposed)
>>
>>         Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound like
>>         we've now decided to just organise a meeting again I hope you
>>         will agree that the discussions had so far, the interest and
>>         commitment to global level coordination, would be usefully
>>         served by collectively putting together an agenda that
>>         responds to the interests of those committed to these efforts.
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Please provide your views on this.
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Best
>>
>>         Sheetal.
>>
>>          
>>
>>         On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar
>>         <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>
>>             Dear all,
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once I
>>             have the recording I'll send it around. In the meantime,
>>             you can see a short summary at the top of the etherpad.
>>             Apologies for its staccato nature but it should provide
>>             an overview of what we discussed:
>>             https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>             <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>
>>              
>>
>>             In essence, we discussed the reasons that these
>>             discussions about civil society coordination have
>>             recently re-surfaced and those on the call reiterated the
>>             commitment to global-level coordination and the need to
>>             work together in a less fragmented way. We looked at the
>>             survey results and discussed the fact that although about
>>             half of the respondents supported exploring a 'merger'
>>             with IGC, around half also thought expanding the mandate
>>             of the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the
>>             call mentioned that the historical standing of the IGC is
>>             important to leverage and there is complementary between
>>             Bestbits and IGCs mandates. Therefore, we shouldn't lose
>>             that in whatever we choose to do going forward.
>>
>>              
>>
>>             We discussed that proposing something more concrete to
>>             the IGC would be helpful in terms of how a 'merger' could
>>             work. We were cognizant of the limited number of the
>>             people on the call, so we agreed to put something short
>>             together and then to share it with you for your feedback
>>             before sharing it with IGC. At the moment, we're working
>>             on that simple proposal to share with you. I'll share it
>>             shortly. If anyone else on the call wants to chime in
>>             with more information please do.
>>
>>              
>>
>>             If you have any questions, please do let us know!
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Best
>>
>>             Sheetal.
>>
>>              
>>
>>             On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen
>>             <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org
>>             <mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>> wrote:
>>
>>                 I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust
>>                 someone will
>>                 report on the meeting.
>>
>>                 Regards,
>>
>>                 -- 
>>                 Tapani Tarvainen
>>
>>                 On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar
>>                 (sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>) wrote:
>>
>>                 > Dear all,
>>                 >
>>                 > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be meeting
>>                 in under an hour at 1
>>                 > PM UTC (see the link below).
>>                 >
>>                 > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>                 >
>>                 > Best
>>                 > Sheetal.
>>                 >
>>                 > Meeting room details
>>                 >
>>                 > *Meeting URL*
>>                 > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>                 >
>>                 > Meeting ID
>>                 > 524 189 381
>>                 > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>                 >
>>                 > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>                 > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>                 > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>                 > (see all numbers -
>>                 https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>                 >
>>                 > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>                 >
>>                 > Connecting from a room system?
>>                 > Dial: bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152 and
>>                 enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>                 >
>>                 > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar
>>                 <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                 >
>>                 > > Dear all
>>                 > >
>>                 > > As promised, please find below the details for
>>                 meeting us on *Wednesday,
>>                 > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the agenda
>>                 further below too.
>>                 > >
>>                 > > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>                 > >
>>                 > > Best
>>                 > > Sheetal.
>>                 > >
>>                 > > Meeting room details
>>                 > >
>>                 > > *Meeting URL*
>>                 > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>                 > >
>>                 > > Meeting ID
>>                 > > 524 189 381
>>                 > > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>                 > >
>>                 > > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>                 > > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>                 > > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>                 > > (see all numbers -
>>                 https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>                 > >
>>                 > > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>                 > >
>>                 > > Connecting from a room system?
>>                 > > Dial: bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152
>>                 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>                 > >
>>                 > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in the
>>                 discussion around
>>                 > > improving coordination are welcome so please
>>                 share with anyone relevant.
>>                 > >
>>                 > > Suggested agenda
>>                 > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this discussion/a
>>                 recap of what's happened
>>                 > > so far
>>                 > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>                 > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>                 > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>                 > >
>>                 > >
>>                 > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian
>>                 muthusamy <
>>                 > > 6.internet at gmail.com
>>                 <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>                 > >
>>                 > >>
>>                 > >> Dear Akinremi,
>>                 > >>
>>                 > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far has
>>                 reached the participants of
>>                 > >> the Governance list, especially the thinking
>>                 that "discussion about
>>                 > >> merging should be limited to each group".  If
>>                 riseup.net <http://riseup.net> is working,
>>                 > >> then I do not have concerns.
>>                 > >>
>>                 > >> Thank you.
>>                 > >>
>>                 > >> Sivasubramanian M
>>                 <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>                 > >> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>                 <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>>                 > >>
>>                 > >>
>>                 > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi Peter
>>                 Taiwo <
>>                 > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>>                 <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>                 > >>
>>                 > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>                 > >>>
>>                 > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying
>>                 igcaucus.org <http://igcaucus.org> mailbox is not
>>                 > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently hosted on
>>                 riseup.net <http://riseup.net> mailing-list.
>>                 > >>> Please can you help me understand what you are
>>                 trying to do so as to be
>>                 > >>> able to help.
>>                 > >>>
>>                 > >>> Regards.
>>                 > >>> Peter
>>                 > >>>
>>                 > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM sivasubramanian
>>                 muthusamy <
>>                 > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com
>>                 <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>
>>                 > >>>>
>>                 > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally decided by
>>                 the Bestbits list to
>>                 > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note here on
>>                 a different problem. The
>>                 > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving
>>                 messages, who is managing the
>>                 > >>>> Governance lists please?
>>                 > >>>>
>>                 > >>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>                 <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>                 > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>                 <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>>                 > >>>>
>>                 > >>>>
>>                 > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi Peter
>>                 Taiwo <
>>                 > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>>                 <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>
>>                 > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>                 > >>>>>
>>                 > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the survey
>>                 should be limited to
>>                 > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion about
>>                 merging should be limited to
>>                 > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group to
>>                 do a kind of an independent
>>                 > >>>>> assessment that would inform the decision of
>>                 whether the group should cease
>>                 > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that some
>>                 folks on the IGC group wants IGC
>>                 > >>>>> to remain as it is.
>>                 > >>>>>
>>                 > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly
>>                 shared some contacts on the
>>                 > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the
>>                 privacy issue you are referring to.
>>                 > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in the
>>                 picture of any privacy issue that
>>                 > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could throw
>>                 more light on this.
>>                 > >>>>>
>>                 > >>>>> I could also remembered during the review of
>>                 CSCG, part of our
>>                 > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional civil
>>                 society organization in the
>>                 > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the
>>                 individual wearing many hat remains.
>>                 > >>>>>
>>                 > >>>>> Regards.
>>                 > >>>>> Peter
>>                 > >>>>>
>>                 > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM
>>                 Sivasubramanian M <
>>                 > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net
>>                 <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see a
>>                 limited response, only
>>                 > >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>>                 > >>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the IGC
>>                 list?  Possibly the poll
>>                 > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who are
>>                 subscribed only to the IGC list.
>>                 > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message says
>>                 "future of Bestbits" rather than
>>                 > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>                 > >>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>                 > >>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM Sheetal Kumar <
>>                 > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the level of
>>                 engagement in these
>>                 > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening civil
>>                 society coordination, and I know
>>                 > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not losing
>>                 motivation. The conversations have
>>                 > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in
>>                 changing the current situation
>>                 > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a
>>                 coordination network), and
>>                 > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to strengthen
>>                 global civil society coordination
>>                 > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far, and the
>>                 survey which gathered a
>>                 > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been helpful.
>>                 I attached a summary report of
>>                 > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the last
>>                 IGF in Paris there was discussion
>>                 > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this
>>                 year. Before we do that however, it
>>                 > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses to
>>                 the survey and agree a way
>>                 > >>>>>>> forward.
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a
>>                 suggested agenda. It would be
>>                 > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29 March
>>                 so I can confirm the date and
>>                 > >>>>>>> set up a room.
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>                 > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>                 > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>                 > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your energy
>>                 and contributions so far!
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> Best
>>                 > >>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal Kumar
>>                 <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who completed
>>                 the survey. I have
>>                 > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a text
>>                 document, with a summary included
>>                 > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a split
>>                 call, with the first half
>>                 > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and
>>                 suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
>>                 > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed
>>                 necessary, with IGC founders and other
>>                 > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange that
>>                 as a separate call too.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the survey
>>                 have been to find a way
>>                 > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society
>>                 coordination, and thus to change
>>                 > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope that
>>                 they help in finding a way
>>                 > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so doing,
>>                 responds to the widest possible
>>                 > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any
>>                 other suggestions on how to proceed,
>>                 > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll send
>>                 around a doodle for a follow up
>>                 > >>>>>>>> call.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>> Best
>>                 > >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal Kumar
>>                 <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of
>>                 responses but it would be great
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the future
>>                 of Bestbits. If you could fill
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday that
>>                 would be much appreciated.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle for
>>                 another call to decide next
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Best
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58, Sheetal Kumar <
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to the
>>                 survey so thank you to
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please do
>>                 lend your views if you can,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey
>>                 responses will feed into the next set
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of Bestbits.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37, Sheetal
>>                 Kumar <
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on this
>>                 thread, please see a
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views on
>>                 the future of Bestbits. Following a
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members of
>>                 Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be
>>                 circulated to gather views of all members.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a background
>>                 information note which
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the discussions
>>                 so far, and links to the summaries of
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits mailing
>>                 list, you are invited to
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform future
>>                 discussions in a timely way, please
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*.
>>                 Should you have any
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate to get
>>                 in touch.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08, Sheetal
>>                 Kumar <
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who participated in
>>                 the call yesterday. For
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the call,
>>                 you'll find the list of participants
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about the
>>                 possible ways forward for
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the previous
>>                 conversation in December and the
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general
>>                 agreement that both Bestbits and
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges in
>>                 fulfilling their objectives,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to
>>                 coordination and we agreed to circulate a
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather
>>                 perspectives on four suggested ways forward
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call. It
>>                 was suggested that this survey with
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into a
>>                 decision on the future of the
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be
>>                 circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be
>>                 greatly appreciated.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47, Sheetal
>>                 Kumar <
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder that
>>                 the call on next steps is
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February from*
>>                 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my previous
>>                 email and I've updated the
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad
>>                 <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07, Sheetal
>>                 Kumar <
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the
>>                 doodle! It seems the best time
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on
>>                 February 11*. The full
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including how
>>                 to join, are below.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting up
>>                 the room. Looking forward
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you as
>>                 possible on the 11th!
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC
>>                 <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System: bjn.vc
>>                 <http://bjn.vc> -or-199.48.152.152
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers -
>>                 http://bluejeans.com/numbers
>>                 <http://bluejeans.com/numbers>)
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call in,
>>                 your phone number will
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room page.
>>                 We would like to record and share the
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network on
>>                 the mailing list. Please let us know if
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording to be
>>                 shared on an open mailing list if you
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of the
>>                 Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a
>>                 merger + other options
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>>                 challenges and issues faced in
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g merger
>>                 of lists/establishment
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo -
>>                 using lists as information sharing
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next
>>                 steps/agreement on process for decision
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the lists
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of those
>>                 who indicated they were available for
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of course, as
>>                 a Bestbits member you can join the
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in the
>>                 pad, this is just to have a vague idea
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13,
>>                 Sheetal Kumar <
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>                 <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the
>>                 engagement on this topic, and
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have shared
>>                 their perspectives and the relevant
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the call we
>>                 agreed to touch base
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January to
>>                 agree a way forward. The discussions here
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the
>>                 discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space for us.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a doodle for
>>                 our second call to
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a
>>                 suggested agenda:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>>                 challenges and issues faced
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g
>>                 merger of lists/establishment
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status quo,
>>                 e.g using lists as information sharing
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each approach
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next
>>                 steps/agreement on process for
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding future of
>>                 Bestbits
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who arranged
>>                 the last call, we
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members are
>>                 invited but that we also reach out to
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide some
>>                 background and inform the discussion
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the
>>                 doodle by the end of next
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can set a
>>                 time and send the conference room link
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10,
>>                 Deirdre Williams <
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com
>>                 <mailto:williams.deirdre at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this
>>                 discussion with care, and have a
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which seem to
>>                 fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less stopped
>>                 sharing
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing things/
>>                 working together within IGC and Bestbits
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the two
>>                 groups again really improve participation?
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to look
>>                 at what needs to be done,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we want to
>>                 do it?
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the same
>>                 as the people who started
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same
>>                 objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these questions
>>                 it seems unlikely that
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration please
>>                 consider IRPC (which many
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which is
>>                 currently having some difficulty with
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to carry
>>                 out management tasks for the group.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a means
>>                 to discuss issues and
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is this
>>                 the right way to do that now or do we need
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09,
>>                 Jeremy Malcolm <
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au
>>                 <mailto:jeremy at malcolm.id.au>> wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal Kumar
>>                 wrote:
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of the
>>                 first Steering Committee
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more
>>                 information about how it was
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse had
>>                 become toxic and
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It had
>>                 been a while since it had
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement. At
>>                 the same time, the 2012 ITU
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to
>>                 collaborate on joint action
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations between
>>                 people both inside and
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming the
>>                 first volunteer steering
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil society
>>                 politics that had driven
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to disrupt
>>                 Best Bits too. There were
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about
>>                 various participants having
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent enough
>>                 about their own funding.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been
>>                 fairly lightweight and
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms of
>>                 accountability resulted in
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a more
>>                 elaborate set of rules
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was too
>>                 heavy and people weren't
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new processes,
>>                 indicating that the more
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been better.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of willing
>>                 people who could
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal elections,
>>                 I'd be all for that. But I
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have given
>>                 as much time to it as
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing my
>>                 energy on my new nonprofit
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB (Hons) B Com
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy
>>                 advocate, geek
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr
>>                 '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 ____________________________________________________________
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>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     
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>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty
>>                 is not money but
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur
>>                 Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>                 DIGITAL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
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>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
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>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                 (0)7739569514  |
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>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                 (0)7739569514  |
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>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
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>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
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>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>                 London, E1 5JL
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>                 > >>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                 > >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London,
>>                 E1 5JL
>>                 > >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>                 > >>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>                 Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                 > >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London,
>>                 E1 5JL
>>                 > >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>                 (0)7739569514  |
>>                 > >>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
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>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>>
>>                 ____________________________________________________________
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>>                 > >>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>>
>>                 > >>>>>> --
>>                 > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
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>>                 <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>                 > >>>>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>>                 > >>>>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>>                 <http://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi>
>>                 > >>>>>
>>                 <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>                 > >>>>>
>>                 > >>>>
>>                 > >>>
>>                 > >>> --
>>                 > >>>
>>                 > >>>
>>                 <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>                 > >>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>>                 > >>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>>                 <http://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi>
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>>                 > >>>
>>                 > >>
>>                 > >
>>                 > > --
>>                 > >
>>                 > >
>>                 > > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                 > > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>                 > > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>                 > >
>>                 > >
>>                 >
>>                 > --
>>                 >
>>                 >
>>                 > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>                 > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>                 > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>                 > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>
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>>
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Thu May 23 06:47:17 2019
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 16:17:17 +0530
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Follow-on from survey on the future of
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Oh thanks Sheetal

Yes you are right, Just Net Coalition even is now 2.00 to 4.15 on June
.. parminder

On 23/05/19 4:07 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>
> Dear Sheetal
>
> You are right. I just checked. I was misled by this gif in Twitter but
> I checked Parminder's email, and you are correct. The event is in the
> afternoon.
>
> Apologies.
>
> Anriette
>
>
> : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6rajorVUAAN1Wq.png:large
>
> -----------------------------
> Anriette Esterhuysen
> Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning
> Association for Progressive Communications
> apc.org
> afrisig.org
> anriette at apc.org
> On 2019/05/23 12:27, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>> Dear Anriette, all,
>>
>> I thought the JustNet Coalition event was scheduled from 2:00-4:15 pm
>> on June 11. Is this correct or is there also another event before?
>>
>> Best
>> Sheetal
>>
>> On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 11:19, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org
>> <mailto:anriette at apc.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Dear Sheetal
>>
>>     Apologies if this has been pointed out already, but this date and
>>     time clashes with the JustNet Coalition Day event. Can that not
>>     be avoided?
>>
>>     Thanks
>>
>>     Anriette
>>
>>     -----------------------------
>>     Anriette Esterhuysen
>>     Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning
>>     Association for Progressive Communications
>>     apc.org <http://apc.org>
>>     afrisig.org <http://afrisig.org>
>>     anriette at apc.org <mailto:anriette at apc.org>
>>
>>     On 2019/05/23 11:24, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>>     Dear all,
>>>
>>>     Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to
>>>     plan the IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details
>>>     below:
>>>
>>>       * Room Dougga
>>>       * June 11, _9am-12:30pm _
>>>       * Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia
>>>
>>>     If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to
>>>     be part of the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to
>>>     meet before/after the event. I've set up a thread for those who
>>>     expressed interest in this effort so I can add you to that too.
>>>
>>>     Hope to see many of you soon!
>>>
>>>     Best
>>>     Sheetal.
>>>     -- 
>>>
>>>     On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar
>>>     <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         Dear all, 
>>>
>>>         Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies
>>>         off-thread expressing interest in the effort. 
>>>
>>>         @Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space
>>>         at the RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful
>>>         if not! Will you be at RightsCon?
>>>
>>>         On the way forward:
>>>
>>>           * Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would
>>>             like to attend that first meeting as there is limited
>>>             space but of course we'd like to accommodate everyone
>>>             who can attend
>>>           * If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then
>>>             please do get in touch anyway, as we will be keeping
>>>             everyone updated and you can input into the meeting
>>>             agenda (and maybe even the discussions if we have good wifi)
>>>
>>>         Best
>>>         Sheetal.
>>>
>>>         On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov
>>>         <ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Dear all,
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could
>>>             inquire if we could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it
>>>             takes place.
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Please let me know.
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Bach Avezdjanov
>>>
>>>             Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>>
>>>             Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>
>>>
>>>             Phone: 212 854 1591
>>>
>>>             Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE <https://twitter.com/ColumbiaGFOE>
>>>
>>>             Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>>             <https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/>
>>>
>>>             *Subscribe to our Weekly News Letter!
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>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>>             <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>>>             [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>>             <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>] *On Behalf
>>>             Of *Lee W McKnight
>>>             *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM
>>>             *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy;
>>>             Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>             <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt;
>>>             governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>>             <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance;
>>>             Sheetal Kumar
>>>             *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from
>>>             survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Hi,
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in
>>>             Hyderabad where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights
>>>             and the DC on Internet Principles had a joint meeting to
>>>             discuss overlaps; we left with a Dynamic Coalition on
>>>             Internet Rights and Principles. Which eventually led to
>>>             the creation and translation of the Charter on Internet
>>>             Rights and Principles among other positive outcomes. 
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward
>>>             out of this; ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to
>>>             help energize also the cross-CS coordination right? 
>>>
>>>             Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset
>>>             and methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal
>>>             faculty meeting feel (at times to this prof).
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>             *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>>             <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>>>             <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>>             <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>> on behalf
>>>             of Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>             <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>>             *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
>>>             *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian
>>>             muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo;
>>>             bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>             <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt;
>>>             governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>>             <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance
>>>             *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from
>>>             survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Dear all
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Following our discussions, and some discussions among
>>>             some of  those of us who attended the last call four
>>>             weeks ago (notes & participants here: 
>>>             https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture),
>>>             see below what some of us propose as a hopefully
>>>             straightforward plan going forward.
>>>
>>>               * IGC and Bestbits list members work together to
>>>                 organise a day 0 event at IGF
>>>               * Volunteers from both lists come together in an
>>>                 informal steering committee to organise the event -
>>>                 you don't have to identify as 'Bestbits'/IGC
>>>                 necessarily and can agree how to approach the
>>>                 organisation of the event however they see fit
>>>               * Members of other lists are invited to join once an
>>>                 informal agenda has been put together
>>>               * Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in
>>>                 this effort come together to discuss preliminary
>>>                 ideas - to include the idea of focusing the day 0
>>>                 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have
>>>                 already been proposed)
>>>
>>>             Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound
>>>             like we've now decided to just organise a meeting again
>>>             I hope you will agree that the discussions had so far,
>>>             the interest and commitment to global level
>>>             coordination, would be usefully served by collectively
>>>             putting together an agenda that responds to the
>>>             interests of those committed to these efforts.
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Please provide your views on this.
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Best
>>>
>>>             Sheetal.
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar
>>>             <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>>             wrote:
>>>
>>>                 Dear all,
>>>
>>>                  
>>>
>>>                 Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once
>>>                 I have the recording I'll send it around. In the
>>>                 meantime, you can see a short summary at the top of
>>>                 the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but
>>>                 it should provide an overview of what we discussed:
>>>                 https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>                 <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>>
>>>                  
>>>
>>>                 In essence, we discussed the reasons that these
>>>                 discussions about civil society coordination have
>>>                 recently re-surfaced and those on the call
>>>                 reiterated the commitment to global-level
>>>                 coordination and the need to work together in a less
>>>                 fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and
>>>                 discussed the fact that although about half of the
>>>                 respondents supported exploring a 'merger' with IGC,
>>>                 around half also thought expanding the mandate of
>>>                 the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the
>>>                 call mentioned that the historical standing of the
>>>                 IGC is important to leverage and there is
>>>                 complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates.
>>>                 Therefore, we shouldn't lose that in whatever we
>>>                 choose to do going forward.
>>>
>>>                  
>>>
>>>                 We discussed that proposing something more concrete
>>>                 to the IGC would be helpful in terms of how a
>>>                 'merger' could work. We were cognizant of the
>>>                 limited number of the people on the call, so we
>>>                 agreed to put something short together and then to
>>>                 share it with you for your feedback before sharing
>>>                 it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that
>>>                 simple proposal to share with you. I'll share it
>>>                 shortly. If anyone else on the call wants to chime
>>>                 in with more information please do.
>>>
>>>                  
>>>
>>>                 If you have any questions, please do let us know!
>>>
>>>                  
>>>
>>>                 Best
>>>
>>>                 Sheetal.
>>>
>>>                  
>>>
>>>                 On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen
>>>                 <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org
>>>                 <mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                     I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust
>>>                     someone will
>>>                     report on the meeting.
>>>
>>>                     Regards,
>>>
>>>                     -- 
>>>                     Tapani Tarvainen
>>>
>>>                     On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar
>>>                     (sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>) wrote:
>>>
>>>                     > Dear all,
>>>                     >
>>>                     > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be
>>>                     meeting in under an hour at 1
>>>                     > PM UTC (see the link below).
>>>                     >
>>>                     > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>                     >
>>>                     > Best
>>>                     > Sheetal.
>>>                     >
>>>                     > Meeting room details
>>>                     >
>>>                     > *Meeting URL*
>>>                     > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>>                     >
>>>                     > Meeting ID
>>>                     > 524 189 381
>>>                     > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>>                     >
>>>                     > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>>                     > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>                     > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>                     > (see all numbers -
>>>                     https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>>                     >
>>>                     > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>>                     >
>>>                     > Connecting from a room system?
>>>                     > Dial: bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152
>>>                     and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>>                     >
>>>                     > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar
>>>                     <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                     >
>>>                     > > Dear all
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > As promised, please find below the details
>>>                     for meeting us on *Wednesday,
>>>                     > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the
>>>                     agenda further below too.
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > Best
>>>                     > > Sheetal.
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > Meeting room details
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > *Meeting URL*
>>>                     > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > Meeting ID
>>>                     > > 524 189 381
>>>                     > > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>>                     > > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>                     > > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>                     > > (see all numbers -
>>>                     https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > Connecting from a room system?
>>>                     > > Dial: bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> or
>>>                     199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in
>>>                     the discussion around
>>>                     > > improving coordination are welcome so please
>>>                     share with anyone relevant.
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > Suggested agenda
>>>                     > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this
>>>                     discussion/a recap of what's happened
>>>                     > > so far
>>>                     > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>                     > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>                     > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian
>>>                     muthusamy <
>>>                     > > 6.internet at gmail.com
>>>                     <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > >>
>>>                     > >> Dear Akinremi,
>>>                     > >>
>>>                     > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far
>>>                     has reached the participants of
>>>                     > >> the Governance list, especially the
>>>                     thinking that "discussion about
>>>                     > >> merging should be limited to each group". 
>>>                     If riseup.net <http://riseup.net> is working,
>>>                     > >> then I do not have concerns.
>>>                     > >>
>>>                     > >> Thank you.
>>>                     > >>
>>>                     > >> Sivasubramanian M
>>>                     <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>                     > >> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>                     <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>>>                     > >>
>>>                     > >>
>>>                     > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi
>>>                     Peter Taiwo <
>>>                     > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>>>                     <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>
>>>                     > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>                     > >>>
>>>                     > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying
>>>                     igcaucus.org <http://igcaucus.org> mailbox is not
>>>                     > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently
>>>                     hosted on riseup.net <http://riseup.net>
>>>                     mailing-list.
>>>                     > >>> Please can you help me understand what you
>>>                     are trying to do so as to be
>>>                     > >>> able to help.
>>>                     > >>>
>>>                     > >>> Regards.
>>>                     > >>> Peter
>>>                     > >>>
>>>                     > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM
>>>                     sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>>                     > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com
>>>                     <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>
>>>                     > >>>>
>>>                     > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally
>>>                     decided by the Bestbits list to
>>>                     > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note
>>>                     here on a different problem. The
>>>                     > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving
>>>                     messages, who is managing the
>>>                     > >>>> Governance lists please?
>>>                     > >>>>
>>>                     > >>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>                     <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>                     > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>                     <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>>>                     > >>>>
>>>                     > >>>>
>>>                     > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi
>>>                     Peter Taiwo <
>>>                     > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>>>                     <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>
>>>                     > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the
>>>                     survey should be limited to
>>>                     > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion
>>>                     about merging should be limited to
>>>                     > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group
>>>                     to do a kind of an independent
>>>                     > >>>>> assessment that would inform the
>>>                     decision of whether the group should cease
>>>                     > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that
>>>                     some folks on the IGC group wants IGC
>>>                     > >>>>> to remain as it is.
>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly
>>>                     shared some contacts on the
>>>                     > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the
>>>                     privacy issue you are referring to.
>>>                     > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in
>>>                     the picture of any privacy issue that
>>>                     > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could
>>>                     throw more light on this.
>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>> I could also remembered during the
>>>                     review of CSCG, part of our
>>>                     > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional
>>>                     civil society organization in the
>>>                     > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the
>>>                     individual wearing many hat remains.
>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>> Regards.
>>>                     > >>>>> Peter
>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM
>>>                     Sivasubramanian M <
>>>                     > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net
>>>                     <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see
>>>                     a limited response, only
>>>                     > >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>>>                     > >>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the
>>>                     IGC list?  Possibly the poll
>>>                     > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who
>>>                     are subscribed only to the IGC list.
>>>                     > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message
>>>                     says "future of Bestbits" rather than
>>>                     > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>>                     > >>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>                     > >>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM
>>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>>                     > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the
>>>                     level of engagement in these
>>>                     > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening
>>>                     civil society coordination, and I know
>>>                     > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not
>>>                     losing motivation. The conversations have
>>>                     > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in
>>>                     changing the current situation
>>>                     > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a
>>>                     coordination network), and
>>>                     > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to
>>>                     strengthen global civil society coordination
>>>                     > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far,
>>>                     and the survey which gathered a
>>>                     > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been
>>>                     helpful. I attached a summary report of
>>>                     > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the
>>>                     last IGF in Paris there was discussion
>>>                     > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this
>>>                     year. Before we do that however, it
>>>                     > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses
>>>                     to the survey and agree a way
>>>                     > >>>>>>> forward.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a
>>>                     suggested agenda. It would be
>>>                     > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29
>>>                     March so I can confirm the date and
>>>                     > >>>>>>> set up a room.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>>                     > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>                     > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>                     > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your
>>>                     energy and contributions so far!
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> Best
>>>                     > >>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal
>>>                     Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who
>>>                     completed the survey. I have
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a
>>>                     text document, with a summary included
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a
>>>                     split call, with the first half
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and
>>>                     suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed
>>>                     necessary, with IGC founders and other
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange
>>>                     that as a separate call too.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the
>>>                     survey have been to find a way
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society
>>>                     coordination, and thus to change
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope
>>>                     that they help in finding a way
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so
>>>                     doing, responds to the widest possible
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any
>>>                     other suggestions on how to proceed,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll
>>>                     send around a doodle for a follow up
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> call.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> Best
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal
>>>                     Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of
>>>                     responses but it would be great
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the
>>>                     future of Bestbits. If you could fill
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday
>>>                     that would be much appreciated.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle
>>>                     for another call to decide next
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58,
>>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to
>>>                     the survey so thank you to
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please
>>>                     do lend your views if you can,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey
>>>                     responses will feed into the next set
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of
>>>                     Bestbits.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37,
>>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on
>>>                     this thread, please see a
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views
>>>                     on the future of Bestbits. Following a
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members
>>>                     of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be
>>>                     circulated to gather views of all members.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a
>>>                     background information note which
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the
>>>                     discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits
>>>                     mailing list, you are invited to
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform
>>>                     future discussions in a timely way, please
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*.
>>>                     Should you have any
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate
>>>                     to get in touch.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your views!
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08,
>>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who
>>>                     participated in the call yesterday. For
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the
>>>                     call, you'll find the list of participants
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about
>>>                     the possible ways forward for
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the
>>>                     previous conversation in December and the
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general
>>>                     agreement that both Bestbits and
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges
>>>                     in fulfilling their objectives,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to
>>>                     coordination and we agreed to circulate a
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather
>>>                     perspectives on four suggested ways forward
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call.
>>>                     It was suggested that this survey with
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into
>>>                     a decision on the future of the
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be
>>>                     circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be
>>>                     greatly appreciated.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47,
>>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder
>>>                     that the call on next steps is
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February
>>>                     from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my
>>>                     previous email and I've updated the
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad
>>>                     <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to
>>>                     you then!
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07,
>>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the
>>>                     doodle! It seems the best time
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on
>>>                     February 11*. The full
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including
>>>                     how to join, are below.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting
>>>                     up the room. Looking forward
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you
>>>                     as possible on the 11th!
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC
>>>                     <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System:
>>>                     bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> -or-199.48.152.152
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary,
>>>                     San Jose))
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers -
>>>                     http://bluejeans.com/numbers
>>>                     <http://bluejeans.com/numbers>)
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID : 819760256
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call
>>>                     in, your phone number will
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room
>>>                     page. We would like to record and share the
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network
>>>                     on the mailing list. Please let us know if
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording
>>>                     to be shared on an open mailing list if you
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of
>>>                     the Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a
>>>                     merger + other options
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>>>                     challenges and issues faced in
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g
>>>                     merger of lists/establishment
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status
>>>                     quo - using lists as information sharing
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next
>>>                     steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the
>>>                     lists
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of
>>>                     those who indicated they were available for
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of
>>>                     course, as a Bestbits member you can join the
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in
>>>                     the pad, this is just to have a vague idea
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13,
>>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the
>>>                     engagement on this topic, and
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have
>>>                     shared their perspectives and the relevant
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the
>>>                     call we agreed to touch base
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January
>>>                     to agree a way forward. The discussions here
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the
>>>                     discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space
>>>                     for us.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a
>>>                     doodle for our second call to
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a
>>>                     suggested agenda:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>>>                     challenges and issues faced
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g
>>>                     merger of lists/establishment
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status
>>>                     quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>>                     approach
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next
>>>                     steps/agreement on process for
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding
>>>                     future of Bestbits
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who
>>>                     arranged the last call, we
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members
>>>                     are invited but that we also reach out to
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide
>>>                     some background and inform the discussion
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the
>>>                     doodle by the end of next
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can
>>>                     set a time and send the conference room link
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10,
>>>                     Deirdre Williams <
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com
>>>                     <mailto:williams.deirdre at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this
>>>                     discussion with care, and have a
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which
>>>                     seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less
>>>                     stopped sharing
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing
>>>                     things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the
>>>                     two groups again really improve participation?
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to
>>>                     look at what needs to be done,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we
>>>                     want to do it?
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the
>>>                     same as the people who started
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same
>>>                     objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these
>>>                     questions it seems unlikely that
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration
>>>                     please consider IRPC (which many
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which
>>>                     is currently having some difficulty with
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to
>>>                     carry out management tasks for the group.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a
>>>                     means to discuss issues and
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is
>>>                     this the right way to do that now or do we need
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09,
>>>                     Jeremy Malcolm <
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au
>>>                     <mailto:jeremy at malcolm.id.au>> wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal
>>>                     Kumar wrote:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of
>>>                     the first Steering Committee
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more
>>>                     information about how it was
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse
>>>                     had become toxic and
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It
>>>                     had been a while since it had
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement.
>>>                     At the same time, the 2012 ITU
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to
>>>                     collaborate on joint action
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations
>>>                     between people both inside and
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming
>>>                     the first volunteer steering
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil
>>>                     society politics that had driven
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to
>>>                     disrupt Best Bits too. There were
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about
>>>                     various participants having
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent
>>>                     enough about their own funding.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been
>>>                     fairly lightweight and
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms
>>>                     of accountability resulted in
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a
>>>                     more elaborate set of rules
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was
>>>                     too heavy and people weren't
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new
>>>                     processes, indicating that the more
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been
>>>                     better.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of
>>>                     willing people who could
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal
>>>                     elections, I'd be all for that. But I
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have
>>>                     given as much time to it as
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing
>>>                     my energy on my new nonprofit
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB
>>>                     (Hons) B Com
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy
>>>                     advocate, geek
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo
>>>                     "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q -i
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     ____________________________________________________________
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>>>                     your settings, visit:
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     
>>>                     http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for
>>>                     poverty is not money but
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur
>>>                     Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL
>>>                     PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury
>>>                     Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M:
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>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL
>>>                     PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury
>>>                     Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
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>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>>                     DIGITAL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury
>>>                     Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
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>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>>                     DIGITAL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury
>>>                     Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
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>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>>                     DIGITAL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
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>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>>                     DIGITAL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>                     > >>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> --
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>                     > >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                     > >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>>                     > >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>>                     > >>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
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>>>                     > >
>>>                     > >
>>>                     > > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                     > > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London,
>>>                     E1 5JL
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>>>                     > --
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>>>                     >
>>>                     > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>                     > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>                     > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>                     > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>                  
>>>
>>>                 *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>
>>>                 Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>
>>>                 Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>
>>>                 T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
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>>>
>>>
>>>             -- 
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>
>>>             Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>
>>>             Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>
>>>             T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>             PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D
>>>             173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         -- 
>>>         *
>>>         *
>>>         *
>>>         *
>>>         *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>         Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>         Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>         T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>         PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>         E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -- 
>>>     *
>>>     *
>>>     *
>>>     *
>>>     *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>     Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>     Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>     T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>     PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
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Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Follow-on from survey on the future of
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Better now.
I will plan to attend both.

2019-05-23 12:47 UTC+02:00, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>:
> Oh thanks Sheetal
>
> Yes you are right, Just Net Coalition even is now 2.00 to 4.15 on June
> .. parminder
>
> On 23/05/19 4:07 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>>
>> Dear Sheetal
>>
>> You are right. I just checked. I was misled by this gif in Twitter but
>> I checked Parminder's email, and you are correct. The event is in the
>> afternoon.
>>
>> Apologies.
>>
>> Anriette
>>
>>
>> : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6rajorVUAAN1Wq.png:large
>>
>> -----------------------------
>> Anriette Esterhuysen
>> Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic
>> planning
>> Association for Progressive Communications
>> apc.org
>> afrisig.org
>> anriette at apc.org
>> On 2019/05/23 12:27, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>> Dear Anriette, all,
>>>
>>> I thought the JustNet Coalition event was scheduled from 2:00-4:15 pm
>>> on June 11. Is this correct or is there also another event before?
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Sheetal
>>>
>>> On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 11:19, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org
>>> <mailto:anriette at apc.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Dear Sheetal
>>>
>>>     Apologies if this has been pointed out already, but this date and
>>>     time clashes with the JustNet Coalition Day event. Can that not
>>>     be avoided?
>>>
>>>     Thanks
>>>
>>>     Anriette
>>>
>>>     -----------------------------
>>>     Anriette Esterhuysen
>>>     Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic
>>> planning
>>>     Association for Progressive Communications
>>>     apc.org <http://apc.org>
>>>     afrisig.org <http://afrisig.org>
>>>     anriette at apc.org <mailto:anriette at apc.org>
>>>
>>>     On 2019/05/23 11:24, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>>>>     Dear all,
>>>>
>>>>     Following on from my previous email, we will have our meeting to
>>>>     plan the IGF day 0 event on Day 0 of RightsCon. See the details
>>>>     below:
>>>>
>>>>       * Room Dougga
>>>>       * June 11, _9am-12:30pm _
>>>>       * Hôtel LAICO, Ave Mohamed V, Tunis, Tunisia
>>>>
>>>>     If you can't make it but will be at RightsCon and would like to
>>>>     be part of the discussions, let me know as I we can find time to
>>>>     meet before/after the event. I've set up a thread for those who
>>>>     expressed interest in this effort so I can add you to that too.
>>>>
>>>>     Hope to see many of you soon!
>>>>
>>>>     Best
>>>>     Sheetal.
>>>>     --
>>>>
>>>>     On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 11:30, Sheetal Kumar
>>>>     <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Dear all,
>>>>
>>>>         Thank you for your replies. I've also received a few replies
>>>>         off-thread expressing interest in the effort.
>>>>
>>>>         @Bach - thank you for the kind offer! We've secured a space
>>>>         at the RightsCon venue but that would have been very helpful
>>>>         if not! Will you be at RightsCon?
>>>>
>>>>         On the way forward:
>>>>
>>>>           * Please let me know if you are at RightsCon and would
>>>>             like to attend that first meeting as there is limited
>>>>             space but of course we'd like to accommodate everyone
>>>>             who can attend
>>>>           * If you are not at RightsCon and still interested then
>>>>             please do get in touch anyway, as we will be keeping
>>>>             everyone updated and you can input into the meeting
>>>>             agenda (and maybe even the discussions if we have good
>>>> wifi)
>>>>
>>>>         Best
>>>>         Sheetal.
>>>>
>>>>         On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 20:19, Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov
>>>>         <ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             Dear all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Columbia University has a center in Tunis, and I could
>>>>             inquire if we could use it for a Day 0 meeting, if it
>>>>             takes place.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Please let me know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Bach Avezdjanov
>>>>
>>>>             Program Officer, Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>>>
>>>>             Email: ba2482 at columbia.edu <mailto:ba2482 at columbia.edu>
>>>>
>>>>             Phone: 212 854 1591
>>>>
>>>>             Twitter: @ColumbiaGFOE <https://twitter.com/ColumbiaGFOE>
>>>>
>>>>             Columbia Global Freedom of Expression
>>>>             <https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>>>             <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>>>>             [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>>>             <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>] *On Behalf
>>>>             Of *Lee W McKnight
>>>>             *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 3:07 PM
>>>>             *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; sivasubramanian muthusamy;
>>>>             Akinremi Peter Taiwo; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>>             <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt;
>>>>             governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>>>             <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance;
>>>>             Sheetal Kumar
>>>>             *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from
>>>>             survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Thanks for this. I agree with the Day 0 meeting idea.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             For me this feels quite deja vu-ish of the (2nd?) IGF in
>>>>             Hyderabad where the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights
>>>>             and the DC on Internet Principles had a joint meeting to
>>>>             discuss overlaps; we left with a Dynamic Coalition on
>>>>             Internet Rights and Principles. Which eventually led to
>>>>             the creation and translation of the Charter on Internet
>>>>             Rights and Principles among other positive outcomes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             So, I am optimistic an IGC-CSCG (sp?) can move forward
>>>>             out of this; ie among IGC's tasks going forward is to
>>>>             help energize also the cross-CS coordination right?
>>>>
>>>>             Which has to be done with BestBits 'Get it done' mindset
>>>>             and methods embedded; vs IGC's at its worst eternal
>>>>             faculty meeting feel (at times to this prof).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>             *From:*bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>>>             <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>
>>>>             <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
>>>>             <mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net>> on behalf
>>>>             of Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>>             <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>>>             *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 12:40:53 PM
>>>>             *To:* Tapani Tarvainen; Sheetal Kumar; sivasubramanian
>>>>             muthusamy; Akinremi Peter Taiwo;
>>>>             bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>>             <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>&gt &lt;
>>>>             governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>>>             <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; governance
>>>>             *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] Follow-on from
>>>>             survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Dear all
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Following our discussions, and some discussions among
>>>>             some of  those of us who attended the last call four
>>>>             weeks ago (notes & participants here:
>>>>             https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture),
>>>>             see below what some of us propose as a hopefully
>>>>             straightforward plan going forward.
>>>>
>>>>               * IGC and Bestbits list members work together to
>>>>                 organise a day 0 event at IGF
>>>>               * Volunteers from both lists come together in an
>>>>                 informal steering committee to organise the event -
>>>>                 you don't have to identify as 'Bestbits'/IGC
>>>>                 necessarily and can agree how to approach the
>>>>                 organisation of the event however they see fit
>>>>               * Members of other lists are invited to join once an
>>>>                 informal agenda has been put together
>>>>               * Those who are present at RightsCon and interested in
>>>>                 this effort come together to discuss preliminary
>>>>                 ideas - to include the idea of focusing the day 0
>>>>                 event on reviving IGC (and many others that have
>>>>                 already been proposed)
>>>>
>>>>             Although after all this to-ing and fro-ing it may sound
>>>>             like we've now decided to just organise a meeting again
>>>>             I hope you will agree that the discussions had so far,
>>>>             the interest and commitment to global level
>>>>             coordination, would be usefully served by collectively
>>>>             putting together an agenda that responds to the
>>>>             interests of those committed to these efforts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Please provide your views on this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Best
>>>>
>>>>             Sheetal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 at 17:30, Sheetal Kumar
>>>>             <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>>>             wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                 Dear all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 Thanks for those who joined the call yesterday. Once
>>>>                 I have the recording I'll send it around. In the
>>>>                 meantime, you can see a short summary at the top of
>>>>                 the etherpad. Apologies for its staccato nature but
>>>>                 it should provide an overview of what we discussed:
>>>>                 https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>>                 <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 In essence, we discussed the reasons that these
>>>>                 discussions about civil society coordination have
>>>>                 recently re-surfaced and those on the call
>>>>                 reiterated the commitment to global-level
>>>>                 coordination and the need to work together in a less
>>>>                 fragmented way. We looked at the survey results and
>>>>                 discussed the fact that although about half of the
>>>>                 respondents supported exploring a 'merger' with IGC,
>>>>                 around half also thought expanding the mandate of
>>>>                 the CSCG could be an option. However, those on the
>>>>                 call mentioned that the historical standing of the
>>>>                 IGC is important to leverage and there is
>>>>                 complementary between Bestbits and IGCs mandates.
>>>>                 Therefore, we shouldn't lose that in whatever we
>>>>                 choose to do going forward.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 We discussed that proposing something more concrete
>>>>                 to the IGC would be helpful in terms of how a
>>>>                 'merger' could work. We were cognizant of the
>>>>                 limited number of the people on the call, so we
>>>>                 agreed to put something short together and then to
>>>>                 share it with you for your feedback before sharing
>>>>                 it with IGC. At the moment, we're working on that
>>>>                 simple proposal to share with you. I'll share it
>>>>                 shortly. If anyone else on the call wants to chime
>>>>                 in with more information please do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 If you have any questions, please do let us know!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 Best
>>>>
>>>>                 Sheetal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 14:10, Tapani Tarvainen
>>>>                 <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org
>>>>                 <mailto:tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                     I couldn't get bluejeans to work for me. I trust
>>>>                     someone will
>>>>                     report on the meeting.
>>>>
>>>>                     Regards,
>>>>
>>>>                     --
>>>>                     Tapani Tarvainen
>>>>
>>>>                     On huhti 10 13:11, Sheetal Kumar
>>>>                     (sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                     > Dear all,
>>>>                     >
>>>>                     > This is just a quick reminder that we'll be
>>>>                     meeting in under an hour at 1
>>>>                     > PM UTC (see the link below).
>>>>                     >
>>>>                     > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>>                     >
>>>>                     > Best
>>>>                     > Sheetal.
>>>>                     >
>>>>                     > Meeting room details
>>>>                     >
>>>>                     > *Meeting URL*
>>>>                     > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>>>                     >
>>>>                     > Meeting ID
>>>>                     > 524 189 381
>>>>                     > Want to dial in from a phone?
>>>>                     >
>>>>                     > Dial one of the following numbers:
>>>>                     > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>>                     > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
>>>>                     > (see all numbers -
>>>>                     https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>>>>                     >
>>>>                     > Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>>>>                     >
>>>>                     > Connecting from a room system?
>>>>                     > Dial: bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> or 199.48.152.152
>>>>                     and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>>>>                     >
>>>>                     > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 13:39, Sheetal Kumar
>>>>                     <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>>                     >
>>>>                     > > Dear all
>>>>                     > >
>>>>                     > > As promised, please find below the details
>>>>                     for meeting us on *Wednesday,
>>>>                     > > April 10 at 1 PM UTC*. I've included the
>>>>                     agenda further below too.
>>>>                     > >
>>>>                     > > Looking forward to speaking to you then!
>>>>                     > >
>>>>                     > > Best
>>>>                     > > Sheetal.
>>>>                     > >
>>>>                     > > Meeting room details
>>>>                     > >
>>>>                     > > *Meeting URL*
>>>>                     > > https://bluejeans.com/524189381?src=join_info
>>>>                     > >
>>>>                     > > Meeting ID
>>>>                     > > 524 189 381
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>>>>                     > >
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>>>>                     > >
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>>>>                     > >
>>>>                     > > Any civil society stakeholders interested in
>>>>                     the discussion around
>>>>                     > > improving coordination are welcome so please
>>>>                     share with anyone relevant.
>>>>                     > >
>>>>                     > > Suggested agenda
>>>>                     > > 1) Grounding: why are we having this
>>>>                     discussion/a recap of what's happened
>>>>                     > > so far
>>>>                     > > 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>>                     > > 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>>                     > > 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>>                     > >
>>>>                     > >
>>>>                     > > On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 08:55, sivasubramanian
>>>>                     muthusamy <
>>>>                     > > 6.internet at gmail.com
>>>>                     <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>                     > >
>>>>                     > >>
>>>>                     > >> Dear Akinremi,
>>>>                     > >>
>>>>                     > >> I was wondering if the discussion so far
>>>>                     has reached the participants of
>>>>                     > >> the Governance list, especially the
>>>>                     thinking that "discussion about
>>>>                     > >> merging should be limited to each group".
>>>>                     If riseup.net <http://riseup.net> is working,
>>>>                     > >> then I do not have concerns.
>>>>                     > >>
>>>>                     > >> Thank you.
>>>>                     > >>
>>>>                     > >> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>>                     > >> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>>                     <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>>>>                     > >>
>>>>                     > >>
>>>>                     > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:05 PM Akinremi
>>>>                     Peter Taiwo <
>>>>                     > >> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>>>>                     <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>                     > >>
>>>>                     > >>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>>                     > >>>
>>>>                     > >>> I don't understand what you mean by saying
>>>>                     igcaucus.org <http://igcaucus.org> mailbox is not
>>>>                     > >>> receiving messages. IGC is currently
>>>>                     hosted on riseup.net <http://riseup.net>
>>>>                     mailing-list.
>>>>                     > >>> Please can you help me understand what you
>>>>                     are trying to do so as to be
>>>>                     > >>> able to help.
>>>>                     > >>>
>>>>                     > >>> Regards.
>>>>                     > >>> Peter
>>>>                     > >>>
>>>>                     > >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 4:12 AM
>>>>                     sivasubramanian muthusamy <
>>>>                     > >>> 6.internet at gmail.com
>>>>                     <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>                     > >>>
>>>>                     > >>>>
>>>>                     > >>>> I wasn't aware that it was formally
>>>>                     decided by the Bestbits list to
>>>>                     > >>>> discuss this list-wise. Posting a note
>>>>                     here on a different problem. The
>>>>                     > >>>> igcaucus. org mailbox is NOT receiving
>>>>                     messages, who is managing the
>>>>                     > >>>> Governance lists please?
>>>>                     > >>>>
>>>>                     > >>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy>
>>>>                     > >>>> twitter.com/shivaindia
>>>>                     <http://twitter.com/shivaindia>
>>>>                     > >>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>
>>>>                     > >>>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 8:03 PM Akinremi
>>>>                     Peter Taiwo <
>>>>                     > >>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com
>>>>                     <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>                     > >>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>> Hi Sivasubramanian,
>>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>> I think what was agreed was that the
>>>>                     survey should be limited to
>>>>                     > >>>>> Bestbit only and that the discussion
>>>>                     about merging should be limited to
>>>>                     > >>>>> each group. This would enable each group
>>>>                     to do a kind of an independent
>>>>                     > >>>>> assessment that would inform the
>>>>                     decision of whether the group should cease
>>>>                     > >>>>> or merge. Also, I could remember that
>>>>                     some folks on the IGC group wants IGC
>>>>                     > >>>>> to remain as it is.
>>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>> @Deirdre Williams I remembered I openly
>>>>                     shared some contacts on the
>>>>                     > >>>>> IGC list back then, which might be the
>>>>                     privacy issue you are referring to.
>>>>                     > >>>>> Aside of that, I don't think I was in
>>>>                     the picture of any privacy issue that
>>>>                     > >>>>> affected the group. Maybe Jeremy could
>>>>                     throw more light on this.
>>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>> I could also remembered during the
>>>>                     review of CSCG, part of our
>>>>                     > >>>>> discussion was to accommodate regional
>>>>                     civil society organization in the
>>>>                     > >>>>> sphere of IG but the challenge of the
>>>>                     individual wearing many hat remains.
>>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>> Regards.
>>>>                     > >>>>> Peter
>>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:41 PM
>>>>                     Sivasubramanian M <
>>>>                     > >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net
>>>>                     <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:
>>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>> With apologies for cross-posting, I see
>>>>                     a limited response, only
>>>>                     > >>>>>> about 8 respondents.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>> Is there a corresponding message on the
>>>>                     IGC list?  Possibly the poll
>>>>                     > >>>>>> announcement hasn't reached those who
>>>>                     are subscribed only to the IGC list.
>>>>                     > >>>>>> (or because the title of the message
>>>>                     says "future of Bestbits" rather than
>>>>                     > >>>>>> say "future of IG Civil Society".
>>>>                     > >>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>                     > >>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM
>>>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>                     > >>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>>                     > >>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> It's been really great to see the
>>>>                     level of engagement in these
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> conversations about strengthening
>>>>                     civil society coordination, and I know
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> there's a lot of interest in not
>>>>                     losing motivation. The conversations have
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> been premised on a general interest in
>>>>                     changing the current situation
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> (namely Bestbits being inactive as a
>>>>                     coordination network), and
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> collectively finding ways to
>>>>                     strengthen global civil society coordination
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> on the issues we work on.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> Hopefully the conversations so far,
>>>>                     and the survey which gathered a
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> broader array of views, have been
>>>>                     helpful. I attached a summary report of
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> the survey in my last email. At the
>>>>                     last IGF in Paris there was discussion
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> of holding a meeting at RightsCon this
>>>>                     year. Before we do that however, it
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> would be good to discuss the responses
>>>>                     to the survey and agree a way
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> forward.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> I'm including a doodle below, with a
>>>>                     suggested agenda. It would be
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> great if you could fill it out by 29
>>>>                     March so I can confirm the date and
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> set up a room.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> https://doodle.com/poll/vyfn2zdxzt8wqzis
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> *Suggested agenda*
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> 1) Responses to the survey: a discussion
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> 2) Suggestion of concrete ways forward
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> 3) Meeting at RightsCon?
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> Looking forward to building on your
>>>>                     energy and contributions so far!
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> Best
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 13:43, Sheetal
>>>>                     Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> Thank you very much to those who
>>>>                     completed the survey. I have
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> attached the anonymised results as a
>>>>                     text document, with a summary included
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> at the top in case useful.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> As a next step I would suggest a
>>>>                     split call, with the first half
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> spent discussing the results and
>>>>                     suggesting a way forward (45 minutes-1
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> hour) and the second half, if deemed
>>>>                     necessary, with IGC founders and other
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> key members of IGC. We could arrange
>>>>                     that as a separate call too.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> The aim of the calls so far and the
>>>>                     survey have been to find a way
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> to promote *more* civil society
>>>>                     coordination, and thus to change
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> the current state of affairs. I hope
>>>>                     that they help in finding a way
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> forward which does this and in so
>>>>                     doing, responds to the widest possible
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> range of opinion. Should you have any
>>>>                     other suggestions on how to proceed,
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> please do chime in! Otherwise, I'll
>>>>                     send around a doodle for a follow up
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> call.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> Best
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 15:02, Sheetal
>>>>                     Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> We've received a useful number of
>>>>                     responses but it would be great
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> to hear from more people about the
>>>>                     future of Bestbits. If you could fill
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> out the survey by COB this Friday
>>>>                     that would be much appreciated.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> I'll then likely send out a doodle
>>>>                     for another call to decide next
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> steps next week.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 11:58,
>>>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> We've got some great responses to
>>>>                     the survey so thank you to
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> those who have responded already.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> The survey is still open so please
>>>>                     do lend your views if you can,
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> by using the link below. The survey
>>>>                     responses will feed into the next set
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> of discussions on the future of
>>>>                     Bestbits.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> http://bestbits.net/
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> index&sid=528319
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 09:37,
>>>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Following a call and discussion on
>>>>                     this thread, please see a
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> survey below to gather your views
>>>>                     on the future of Bestbits. Following a
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> call on February 11 with members
>>>>                     of Bestbits, as well as members of IGC, it
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> was agreed that a survey would be
>>>>                     circulated to gather views of all members.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> The survey is preceded by a
>>>>                     background information note which
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> includes a summary of the
>>>>                     discussions so far, and links to the summaries of
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://bestbits.net/limesurvey/index.php?r=survey/index&sid=528319&lang=en
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> As a member of the Bestbits
>>>>                     mailing list, you are invited to
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey. To inform
>>>>                     future discussions in a timely way, please
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> complete the survey *by 08 March*.
>>>>                     Should you have any
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> questions at all, don't hesitate
>>>>                     to get in touch.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to hearing your
>>>> views!
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 20:08,
>>>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you to those who
>>>>                     participated in the call yesterday. For
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> those who couldn't attend the
>>>>                     call, you'll find the list of participants
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> and notes here:
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> We had a rich discussion about
>>>>                     the possible ways forward for
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bestbits, building on the
>>>>                     previous conversation in December and the
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion on this thread since.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, there was general
>>>>                     agreement that both Bestbits and
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> IGC have been facing challenges
>>>>                     in fulfilling their objectives,
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly when it comes to
>>>>                     coordination and we agreed to circulate a
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> survey to both lists to gather
>>>>                     perspectives on four suggested ways forward
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> which were discussed on the call.
>>>>                     It was suggested that this survey with
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> the broader communities feed into
>>>>                     a decision on the future of the
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms. The survey will be
>>>>                     circulated shortly to both lists shortly,
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your participation would be
>>>>                     greatly appreciated.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:47,
>>>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a gentle reminder
>>>>                     that the call on next steps is
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> this coming Monday, 11 February
>>>>                     from* 4- 6 PM UTC*. The full
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> details are included in my
>>>>                     previous email and I've updated the
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> etherpad
>>>>
>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with those planning to attend.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to speaking to
>>>>                     you then!
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 10:07,
>>>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for filling out the
>>>>                     doodle! It seems the best time
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the call is* 4-6 PM UTC on
>>>>                     February 11*. The full
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details of the call, including
>>>>                     how to join, are below.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Farzaneh for setting
>>>>                     up the room. Looking forward
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to speaking to as many of you
>>>>                     as possible on the 11th!
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Bestbits call: Future pathways *
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Date and time: *
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 February, 4:00-6:00 PM UTC
>>>>                     <http://worldtimebuddy.com/>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Online Meeting room: *
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join the Meeting:
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://bluejeans.com/819760256
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via Room System:
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Video Conferencing System:
>>>>                     bjn.vc <http://bjn.vc> -or-199.48.152.152
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meeting ID : 819760256
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To join via phone :
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1)  Dial:
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.888.240.2560 (US Toll Free)
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary,
>>>>                     San Jose))
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see all numbers -
>>>>                     http://bluejeans.com/numbers
>>>>                     <http://bluejeans.com/numbers>)
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2)  Enter Conference ID :
>>>> 819760256
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please note that if you call
>>>>                     in, your phone number will
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appear on the Bluejeans room
>>>>                     page. We would like to record and share the
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> link with the BestBits network
>>>>                     on the mailing list. Please let us know if
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want the recording
>>>>                     to be shared on an open mailing list if you
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call in.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed agenda: *
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aim: *to discuss the future of
>>>>                     the Bestbits and IGC lists,
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the possibility of a
>>>>                     merger + other options
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>>>>                     challenges and issues faced in
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each network
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g
>>>>                     merger of lists/establishment
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status
>>>>                     quo - using lists as information sharing
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next
>>>>                     steps/agreement on process for decision
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making regarding future of the
>>>>                     lists
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *RSVP on etherpad*
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've put the agenda in this pad
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture>and
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also added the names of
>>>>                     those who indicated they were available for
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the call at this time. Of
>>>>                     course, as a Bestbits member you can join the
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> call without indicating that in
>>>>                     the pad, this is just to have a vague idea
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of numbers.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 14:13,
>>>>                     Sheetal Kumar <
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>>                     <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been great to see the
>>>>                     engagement on this topic, and
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to those who have
>>>>                     shared their perspectives and the relevant
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents too.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In December when we had the
>>>>                     call we agreed to touch base
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again in the middle of January
>>>>                     to agree a way forward. The discussions here
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide rich ground for the
>>>>                     discussion, and Farzaneh has kindly offered to
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up a conference call space
>>>>                     for us.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am circulating below a
>>>>                     doodle for our second call to
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide next steps. This is a
>>>>                     suggested agenda:
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Identification/agreement of
>>>>                     challenges and issues faced
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in each network
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Discussion of options, e.g
>>>>                     merger of lists/establishment
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of new/maintenance of status
>>>>                     quo, e.g using lists as information sharing
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices: pros and cons of each
>>>>                     approach
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Discussion of next
>>>>                     steps/agreement on process for
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making regarding
>>>>                     future of Bestbits
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having spoken to those who
>>>>                     arranged the last call, we
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest only Bestbits members
>>>>                     are invited but that we also reach out to
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some IGC folks to help provide
>>>>                     some background and inform the discussion
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     https://doodle.com/poll/yzmbvibwp6n4s976
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If everyone could fill out the
>>>>                     doodle by the end of next
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> week (Friday, 25 Jan) we can
>>>>                     set a time and send the conference room link
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 13:10,
>>>>                     Deirdre Williams <
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> williams.deirdre at gmail.com
>>>>                     <mailto:williams.deirdre at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please excuse the cross-posting.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been following this
>>>>                     discussion with care, and have a
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of questions which
>>>>                     seem to fall in line with what Nnenna and Jeremy
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are saying.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If we had more or less
>>>>                     stopped sharing
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information/discussing
>>>>                     things/ working together within IGC and Bestbits
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separately, would merging the
>>>>                     two groups again really improve participation?
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is there a way for us to
>>>>                     look at what needs to be done,
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we want to do, how we
>>>>                     want to do it?
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Who are "we"? Are we the
>>>>                     same as the people who started
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGC and Bestbits - same
>>>>                     objectives, same perceptions and perspectives, same
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities?
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without answers to these
>>>>                     questions it seems unlikely that
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we would make much progress.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Purely as an illustration
>>>>                     please consider IRPC (which many
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us also belong to) which
>>>>                     is currently having some difficulty with
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identifying volunteers to
>>>>                     carry out management tasks for the group.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Civil society still needs a
>>>>                     means to discuss issues and
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a common voice, but is
>>>>                     this the right way to do that now or do we need
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to devise something different?
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes for 2019
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deirdre
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 14:09,
>>>>                     Jeremy Malcolm <
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jeremy at malcolm.id.au
>>>>                     <mailto:jeremy at malcolm.id.au>> wrote:
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/10/19 2:01 AM, Sheetal
>>>>                     Kumar wrote:
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For those who were part of
>>>>                     the first Steering Committee
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bestbits -
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > could you share more
>>>>                     information about how it was
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituted and why?
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was because IGC discourse
>>>>                     had become toxic and
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional, and
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people were dropping out. It
>>>>                     had been a while since it had
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been able to
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agree on a joint statement.
>>>>                     At the same time, the 2012 ITU
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WCIT was
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming up, and being able to
>>>>                     collaborate on joint action
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was important,
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so a few conversations
>>>>                     between people both inside and
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside of IGC
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resulted in them becoming
>>>>                     the first volunteer steering
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then the same civil
>>>>                     society politics that had driven
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IGC into
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ground started to
>>>>                     disrupt Best Bits too. There were
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (misplaced but
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> damaging) allegations about
>>>>                     various participants having
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden agendas
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or not being transparent
>>>>                     enough about their own funding.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So whereas the
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original committee had been
>>>>                     fairly lightweight and
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informal, pressure to
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt more formal mechanisms
>>>>                     of accountability resulted in
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us investing
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot of time in creating a
>>>>                     more elaborate set of rules
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and processes.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, this was
>>>>                     too heavy and people weren't
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated to
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engage in these new
>>>>                     processes, indicating that the more
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lightweight
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure had probably been
>>>>                     better.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there was a group of
>>>>                     willing people who could
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resuscitate Best Bits,
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even without formal
>>>>                     elections, I'd be all for that. But I
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. I personally have
>>>>                     given as much time to it as
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give, because I'm focusing
>>>>                     my energy on my new nonprofit
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prostasia
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation now.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeremy Malcolm PhD LLB
>>>>                     (Hons) B Com
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet lawyer, ICT policy
>>>>                     advocate, geek
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> echo
>>>>                     "9EEAi^^;6C6]>J^=^>6"|tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'|wget -q
>>>> -i
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - -O -
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message as
>>>>                     a subscriber on the list:
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>>>>                     bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
>>>>                     <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>.
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe or change
>>>>                     your settings, visit:
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “The fundamental cure for
>>>>                     poverty is not money but
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge" Sir William Arthur
>>>>                     Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL
>>>>                     PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury
>>>>                     Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M:
>>>>                     +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  |
>>>>                     PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1
>>>>                     CF31|
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL
>>>>                     PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury
>>>>                     Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1
>>>> CF31|
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>>>                     DIGITAL
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury
>>>>                     Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>>>                     DIGITAL
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury
>>>>                     Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>>>                     DIGITAL
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>> E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>>>                     DIGITAL
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> --
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS
>>>> DIGITAL
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> --
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> --
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street,
>>>>                     London, E1 5JL
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44
>>>>                     (0)7739569514  |
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP
>>>>                     Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>                     > >>>>>>> You received this message as a
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>>>>                     <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>.
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>>>>                     settings, visit:
>>>>                     > >>>>>>>
>>>>                     http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>>                     > >>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>> --
>>>>                     > >>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>                     > >>>>>> Please send all replies to
>>>>                     6.Internet at gmail.com <mailto:6.Internet at gmail.com>
>>>>                     > >>>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>> ---
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>>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>> --
>>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>>>                     > >>>>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>>>>                     > >>>>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>>>>                     <http://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi>
>>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>>>                     > >>>>>
>>>>                     > >>>>
>>>>                     > >>>
>>>>                     > >>> --
>>>>                     > >>>
>>>>                     > >>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>>>                     > >>> Peter Taiwo Akinremi
>>>>                     > >>> about.me/petertaiwoakinremi
>>>>                     <http://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi>
>>>>                     > >>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://about.me/petertaiwoakinremi?promo=email_sig&utm_source=product&utm_medium=email_sig&utm_campaign=gmail_api&utm_content=thumb>
>>>>                     > >>>
>>>>                     > >>
>>>>                     > >
>>>>                     > > --
>>>>                     > >
>>>>                     > >
>>>>                     > > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>                     > > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>                     > > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London,
>>>>                     E1 5JL
>>>>                     > > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514
>>>> |
>>>>                     > > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint:
>>>>                     F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
>>>>                     > > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>                     > >
>>>>                     > >
>>>>                     >
>>>>                     > --
>>>>                     >
>>>>                     >
>>>>                     > *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>                     > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>                     > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>                     > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>                     > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint:
>>>>                     F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F
>>>>                     > E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>
>>>>                     >
>>>>
>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>                     > You received this message as a subscriber on
>>>>                     the list:
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>>>>                     > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>>>>                     >      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>
>>>>                 Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>
>>>>                 Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>
>>>>                 T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>                 PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5
>>>>                 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>
>>>>             Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>
>>>>             Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>
>>>>             T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>             PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D
>>>>             173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         --
>>>>         *
>>>>         *
>>>>         *
>>>>         *
>>>>         *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>         Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>         Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>         T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>         PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B
>>>>         E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     --
>>>>     *
>>>>     *
>>>>     *
>>>>     *
>>>>     *Sheetal Kumar*
>>>>     Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>     Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>     T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514  |
>>>>     PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2
>>>>     0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31|
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     ____________________________________________________________
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>>> --
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *Sheetal Kumar*
>>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
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>>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31  | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Sun May 26 19:48:40 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 19:48:40 -0400
Subject: [governance] Christchurchcall collective input and next steps
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvArBpcn+=t0cjy_6h_5tBEFviFYY3BSPxFHx18FUQCXBw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all

As we discussed during our meeting on Thursday New Zealand government has
asked for input to be submitted to Chirstchurch call process by 31 May.
Your organization can send their separate statements, we also encourage you
to sign on the following statement. If you would like to add to the collective
input you can send additional comments to us and to be added as an addendum
by Tuesday 28 May.
Here is the link to the Input Google Doc.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10RadyVQUNu1H5D7x6IJVKbqmaeDeXre0Mk-FFNkIVxs/edit#heading=h.oxzb2rw9cwu1

Here is the recording of our last meeting on Thursday. I will send a brief
note about that meeting. https://bluejeans.com/s/ShBpF

We discussed how various organizations can sign up to the input, Ellen also
briefed us on her meeting with the NZ government about the next steps . We
also discussed the need to assess whether we want to participate at
Christchurchcall process considering that the pledge text will not be
changed. We can continue having regular meetings (every month) to keep
ourselves informed until September when Prime Minister Ardern intends to
discuss Christchurchcall with the UN General Assembly (this is just to
inform the general assembly about it, not to sign up to the pledge).

Best

Farzaneh
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Tue May 28 08:58:13 2019
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 18:28:13 +0530
Subject: [governance] Who governs AI globally
In-Reply-To: <5e0ce6a5-4b6f-81d7-48c7-7bc40945c4ab@gmail.com>
References: <5e0ce6a5-4b6f-81d7-48c7-7bc40945c4ab@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d721681c-8af3-7649-68db-74e600dd7255@itforchange.net>



OECD's digital economy committee has developed these AI governance
principles http://www.oecd.org/going-digital/ai/principles/

And now the World Economic Forum has stepped in to do global governance
of AI

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613589/the-world-economic-forum-wants-to-develop-global-rules-for-ai/?utm_campaign=the_download.unpaid.engagement&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=73093912&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9gRdOMFU_P4B7Q-HO5n-3dCwcrtYZbneXewQ5B6cKP8_2SWOESFXhaycLcYQwgtWjcbbicSXA3ZsZpMZt9KPEUNYH5Dw&_hsmi=73093912

Maybe, at least at this stage the IG civil society would want to
re-assess why they fought so bitterly against any such thing potentially
being done at a UN body.... Where at least all countries are equally
represented, and big business does not dictate terms openly. . (And had
at the same time supported the WEF based NetMundial Initiative.)

Interestingly enough, we were then told that the UN can have no role
because there are countries like China over there. Really! The WEF
initiative is headed by a USian and a Chinese... Going beyond the OECD
initiative, it is an attempt to find common ground between the two
digital biggies, and the emerging two poles of the digital world...

So, we have what many of us have been warning all this
multistakeholderism is about ...It is a way to subvert democratic
institutions and thinking and make it more acceptable to have those who
are politically and economically the strongest to dictate rules to
everyone... From democratic governance to a market of governance, where
what you can do depends on what power you bring to the table.

We see this happening right in front of our eyes..

And how bitterly did the civil society reps, and also tech community,
oppose at the UN working group on enhanced cooperation for international
public policies (and other forums), in the end, even to just have a day
or two of annual dedicated meeting at the most innocuous Commission for
Science and Technology for Development, where developing countries could
bring up their Internet/ digital governance problems , and could maybe
have just that small role in shaping global digital governance,
including AI governance...

But, no, multistakeholderism checks for your political and economic heft
not your democratic legitimacy.

Now, the developing countries can sit on the outside and wait for the
richest countries (OECD) and the biggest global businesses (WEF) to
develop global digital/ AI rules and convey it to them!

Does the Internet governance civil society plan to introspect on this
all important mis-contribution that it made? Or at least the developing
country participants here?

parminder





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From joly at punkcast.com  Tue May 28 10:10:36 2019
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 10:10:36 -0400
Subject: [governance] WEBCAST TODAY: Digital Access Day in Ottawa
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk3HZcH3qwjGbeUP2ESqnyRYHsR8j4RYTpKSadnGkpUU5g@mail.gmail.com>

It appears that one of the connectivity-underserved communities in Canada
is Ottawa City Council, as we are struggling to get a stream out of City
Hall. Please excuse the occasional drop - we are recording and will repost.
Be sure to tune in for the Accessibility panel after lunch.


[image: livestream]
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/dad/>Today, *Tuesday
May 28 2019*, the *Internet Society Canada Chapter
<https://internetsociety.ca/>* hosts the *2nd Annual Digital Access Day
<https://internetsociety.ca/event/2nd-annual-digital-access-day/>* in
Ottawa. This full-day event will convene thought-leaders from NGOs, the
tech sector, government, universities, and those most affected by the
digital divide, to talk about good work already underway, identify what
else can be done, and measure progress. Keynote speaker is *Andrew Sullivan*,
President & CEO, Internet Society. The event will be webcast live on
the *Internet
Society Livestream Channel <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/>*.

*VIEW ON LIVESTREAM: https://livestream.com/internetsociety/dad
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/dad>*

*AGENDA: https://internetsociety.ca/event/2nd-annual-digital-access-day/
<https://internetsociety.ca/event/2nd-annual-digital-access-day/>*

*TWITTER: #digitalaccessday http://bit.ly/digitalaccessday
<http://bit.ly/digitalaccessday>*

*Permalink*
https://isoc.live/11087/




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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Mon May  6 23:29:14 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 23:29:14 -0400
Subject: [governance] Christchurch Call, Join online meetings for civil
 society and technical community
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvCwLE4djNTnUj3wDvy=gS+98RCLf9EejGZPzp9LD_hyNg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern along with the French  President
Emmanuel Macron intends to sign a pledge with other nation states and CEOs
of tech companies to eliminate "terrorist, violent extremist content" on
the Internet
<https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/nz-and-france-seek-end-use-social-media-acts-terrorism>,
in a meeting on 15 May in Paris.

We are planning to receive as much feedback as possible from Internet
governance civil society and the technical community about terrorist
content moderation online and relay the comments during the meetings held
in Paris. To do so we have organized two online meetings to be held on
Wednesday 8 May at 11.00 (AM) UTC and Friday 10 May at 11(AM) UTC. We had
to schedule the meetings to be more or less convenient for different
timezones.

For some background about the event and a timeline you can refer to:
Online Content Takedown, The Christchurch call
https://www.internetgovernance.org/2019/05/05/online-content-takedown-the-christchurch-call/

InternetNZ facilitating Tech and Civil Society Participation in
Christchurch call: https://internetnz.nz/Christchurch-Call


If you would like to discuss this topic and cannot make it to the online
meetings, you can always reach out or you can join this forum to continue
the discussions: https://christchurchcallcoord.internetnz.nz/


We look forward to your participation.


**** Meeting information, 8 May and 10 May - To be held at 11 AM UTC*

Meeting URL
https://bluejeans.com/212601815?src=join_info

Meeting ID
212 601 815

Want to dial in from a phone?

Dial one of the following numbers:
+1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
+1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
(see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)

Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #

Connecting from a room system?
Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode


Farzaneh
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Tue May  7 00:41:12 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Amrita" (via governance Mailing List)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 10:11:12 +0530
Subject: [governance] CCAOI: Policy and IG Updates of April 2019  from the
 Indian Perspective
Message-ID: <007c01d5048f$1b6bed30$5243c790$@com>

Hi,

 

Apologies for cross posting.

 

For those who may be interested, read the April edition of  CCAOI  Newsletter, for curated news on  IG events and policy discussions, using this  <https://www.ccaoi.in/UI/links/fwnewsletter/CCAOI%20Newsletter%20April%202019.pdf> link.

 

 

Regards,

 

Amrita Choudhury

CCAOI

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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Tue May  7 17:23:11 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 17:23:11 -0400
Subject: [governance] Christchurch Call, Join online meetings for civil
 society and technical community
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvCwLE4djNTnUj3wDvy=gS+98RCLf9EejGZPzp9LD_hyNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvCwLE4djNTnUj3wDvy=gS+98RCLf9EejGZPzp9LD_hyNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvD4s9qSzW_XK2fExBPEX-cMVnu=nVheFtNNB1Mma0s8sw@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone from civil or tech community who wants to participate in discussions
about Christchurch call  can join the Christchurch coordination space at:
https://christchurchcallcoord.internetnz.nz/

I have copy pasted the agenda for tomorrow's meeting.

Agenda of the first call (8 May - 11 AM UTC)

   - Introduction: what is going on, why is Christchurch call happening,
   who is involved and why is it important to participate
   - Briefing on the timeline
   - Shortcomings of the process and how to overcome them
   - How are we coordinating to include technical and civil soc voices in
   the call? (NZ online forum - The google doc for statement)
   - Goals: Perspectives and voices of our communities be heard, through a
   joint statement, documenting our opinions if a statement cannot be reached
   etc
   - Substantive issues

Discussing the statement

   - Should we include our concerns with the process of issuing the pledge?
   - We don’t know the pledge content but Prime Minister Ardern in her
   announcement stated that the pledge will be to eliminate terrorist, violent
   extremist content online.
   - Considering Ardern’s goal, what are the questions we need to answer
   about online terrorist content moderation in the civil soc/ tech community
   joint statement? What topics come to mind?



Farzaneh


On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 11:29 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern along with the French  President
> Emmanuel Macron intends to sign a pledge with other nation states and CEOs
> of tech companies to eliminate "terrorist, violent extremist content" on
> the Internet
> <https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/nz-and-france-seek-end-use-social-media-acts-terrorism>,
> in a meeting on 15 May in Paris.
>
> We are planning to receive as much feedback as possible from Internet
> governance civil society and the technical community about terrorist
> content moderation online and relay the comments during the meetings held
> in Paris. To do so we have organized two online meetings to be held on
> Wednesday 8 May at 11.00 (AM) UTC and Friday 10 May at 11(AM) UTC. We had
> to schedule the meetings to be more or less convenient for different
> timezones.
>
> For some background about the event and a timeline you can refer to:
> Online Content Takedown, The Christchurch call
> https://www.internetgovernance.org/2019/05/05/online-content-takedown-the-christchurch-call/
>
> InternetNZ facilitating Tech and Civil Society Participation in
> Christchurch call: https://internetnz.nz/Christchurch-Call
>
>
> If you would like to discuss this topic and cannot make it to the online
> meetings, you can always reach out or you can join this forum to continue
> the discussions: https://christchurchcallcoord.internetnz.nz/
>
>
> We look forward to your participation.
>
>
> **** Meeting information, 8 May and 10 May - To be held at 11 AM UTC*
>
> Meeting URL
> https://bluejeans.com/212601815?src=join_info
>
> Meeting ID
> 212 601 815
>
> Want to dial in from a phone?
>
> Dial one of the following numbers:
> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>
> Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>
> Connecting from a room system?
> Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Wed May  8 06:58:12 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 06:58:12 -0400
Subject: [governance] Christchurch Call, Join online meetings for civil
 society and technical community
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvCwLE4djNTnUj3wDvy=gS+98RCLf9EejGZPzp9LD_hyNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvCwLE4djNTnUj3wDvy=gS+98RCLf9EejGZPzp9LD_hyNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvBtq9pRUiG3fsEsCssAxY-c3N5UPk1NNpsDowbXNFXHWw@mail.gmail.com>

We are going to start the first call in three minutes.

Farzaneh


On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 11:29 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern along with the French  President
> Emmanuel Macron intends to sign a pledge with other nation states and CEOs
> of tech companies to eliminate "terrorist, violent extremist content" on
> the Internet
> <https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/nz-and-france-seek-end-use-social-media-acts-terrorism>,
> in a meeting on 15 May in Paris.
>
> We are planning to receive as much feedback as possible from Internet
> governance civil society and the technical community about terrorist
> content moderation online and relay the comments during the meetings held
> in Paris. To do so we have organized two online meetings to be held on
> Wednesday 8 May at 11.00 (AM) UTC and Friday 10 May at 11(AM) UTC. We had
> to schedule the meetings to be more or less convenient for different
> timezones.
>
> For some background about the event and a timeline you can refer to:
> Online Content Takedown, The Christchurch call
> https://www.internetgovernance.org/2019/05/05/online-content-takedown-the-christchurch-call/
>
> InternetNZ facilitating Tech and Civil Society Participation in
> Christchurch call: https://internetnz.nz/Christchurch-Call
>
>
> If you would like to discuss this topic and cannot make it to the online
> meetings, you can always reach out or you can join this forum to continue
> the discussions: https://christchurchcallcoord.internetnz.nz/
>
>
> We look forward to your participation.
>
>
> **** Meeting information, 8 May and 10 May - To be held at 11 AM UTC*
>
> Meeting URL
> https://bluejeans.com/212601815?src=join_info
>
> Meeting ID
> 212 601 815
>
> Want to dial in from a phone?
>
> Dial one of the following numbers:
> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose))
> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose))
> (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers)
>
> Enter the meeting ID and passcode followed by #
>
> Connecting from a room system?
> Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Wed May  8 09:12:16 2019
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne?= Tungali (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 15:12:16 +0200
Subject: [governance] IGF 2019 Workshop Evaluation process
Message-ID: <CABDXvWpNgNDb7UKQTwL13kp0YPzt1bDHjeYJKrpGe8cEMo1VkQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

Just wanted to throw this outta here.

At the MAG, we are evaluating workshop proposals (the initial phase)
and this goes until  May 12th. This is a tough job!

I remember last year, there were a lot of unhappy people based on the
results of the evaluation. What did the MAG do wrong last year?

Can you share what were some of the frustrations that came out of the
process last year? I know it might be late (or maybe not?) but if we
can quickly discuss here, I am happy to consider some of your inputs
and share to fellow MAG members.

Regards,
Arsene

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