[governance] The proposal for closing Bestbits and merging with IGC + next steps (was "Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps")

Fri Jun 14 06:03:38 EDT 2019

I did not say anybody was suggesting anything.  It was just a reminder.
Tks

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 9:42 AM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> @Carolina (Hello!) I don't think anyone here is suggesting that BestBits
> documents, materials etc will not be preserved. It is only a matter of how
> we should preserve them when we carry out the merge. (Jeremy has been
> wanting to transfer the domain name for the past  I think around 3 years,
> no one wants to take over, so we definitely need a plan), we can for
> example decide on having the materials stored on future IGC website.
>
> As to changes to the IGC charter, as Sheetal explained and it is in the
> proposal, the changes are going to be lightweight but if IGC charter
> recommends a process for amendment, then we should follow that. I still
> support forming a small group to look into these issues and let us know how
> we should proceed. Even if we don't agree to change the charter, we can
> consider what new features IGC should possess in order to address the needs
> of its members and those members that are migrating from BestBits and
> generally more engagement with IG processes.
>
> As to the poll among BestBits members, that is something you need to
> discuss with BestBits. Just a reminder that both groups have been in my
> opinion briefed and engaged with the conversation. We did not just have a
> meeting with 11 members. Since December 2018, IGC and BestBits held
> meetings about this, a survey was taken to see what BestBits members think
> (the average attendance in those meetings was something like 15 members,
> Sheetal shared a comprehensive result of the survey).
>
> @Sala thank you for your kind words. I believe in collective action and am
> glad that you found the briefings and reports useful. InternetNZ's help was
> crucial in making that happen.
>
> Christchurch call was one instance when the civil society got together and
> showed its depth of expertise and knowledge about Internet governance
> issues. So we definitely can get it together and act collectively. It's
> just a matter of how, which I am sure we solve if we keep at it and have
> these conversations.
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 3:42 AM Carolina Rossini <
> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
>> I disagree with you Ian. A pool is needed among the BB members. There are
>> more than 11.
>>
>> And for the BB folks, and it’s is not only the mailing list. BB site has
>> a lot of good material and statements that should be captured and saved.
>>
>> Sorry I could not make to the meeting. You can only imagine how busy I am.
>>
>> Tks Sheetal for moving this forward with all the delicate and sensitive
>> touch it does deserve.
>>
>> C
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 5:20 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com <
>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No poll needed. Best Bits closes down (their call). Former members join
>>> IGC individually. End of story.
>>>
>>>
>>> But fixing the IGC constitution (a later step) is more complex as Sala
>>> points out.
>>>
>>> Ian.
>>>
>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>>> To: "Sheetal Kumar" <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> Cc: "Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov" <ba2482 at columbia.edu>; "Lee W McKnight" <
>>> lmcknigh at syr.edu>; "Tapani Tarvainen" <tapani.tarvainen at effi.org>;
>>> "Sivasubramanian M" <6.Internet at gmail.com>; "Akinremi Peter Taiwo" <
>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com>; "governance" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>>> Sent: 14/06/2019 11:40:49 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [governance] The proposal for closing Bestbits and merging
>>> with IGC + next steps (was "Follow-on from survey on the future of
>>> Bestbits: next steps")
>>>
>>> The IGC usually takes a poll led by elected co-coordinators to determine
>>> consensus. If post discussion and debate, consensusnis reached to merge
>>> then by all means.
>>>
>>> Nobody speaks for the IGC unless there is consensus, if you want to
>>> change the Charter, then there is a process to follow. It is meant to
>>> protect us. Members of Best Bits are members of the IGC anyway unless they
>>> left or unsubscribed.
>>>
>>> One of the challenges, I have seen is the loss of important IGC data
>>> from the old servers. Every organsiation has to evolve, advance but this
>>> has to be based on consensus, and papers for and against, proper discussion
>>> and debate. From the outset, all I have seen is a presumption where the IGC
>>> has been forcibly roped into discussing mergers without the consensus.
>>>
>>> The co-coordinators have not set a strategic pathway for engagement in
>>> key international fora as the IGC in the HLP session although I was to see
>>> great geographical representation by some members of the IGC in the.forum
>>> in their individual capacity.
>>>
>>> I would also like to see the IGC working with the World Economic Forum
>>> etc and participating in the UN New York meetings, although some members
>>> participate in their organisational capacity. It is also significant that
>>> UNDESA reviews the global SDG projects and has a
>>> monitoring/evaluation/audit type role which it uses to review and report
>>> back to the UNGA.
>>>
>>> On another separate, note, whilst Arden (bless her heart), and others
>>> have been royally pissed about making a dent in how global MNCs like
>>> Facebook behave in crisis, these are not new issues as they are.similar to
>>> historical discussion on the list about Brits imposing a temporary ban over
>>> a certain radius of the London bombing just as the Egyptians and others
>>> have done during times of national security. The Tech Accord which
>>> represents the committment and negotiations between MNCs, Tech Giants and
>>> some government reps as was shared by the former French Ambassador on Cyber
>>> affairs and others, it is on a transcript at a main session from last year.
>>>
>>> The most New Zealand can do is impose a law in New Zealand against these
>>> giants.  Facebook's Mia in NZ who is based in the Sydney officer and global
>>> public policy counterparts have alot of work on their hands.
>>>
>>> One view is that the threat to freedom of expression (which the IGC has
>>> always talked about is no respecter of whether you are from the East, West,
>>> South, North. The principles are well established in International law and
>>> Frank La Rue's report to the UN General Assembly which was endorsed is
>>> relevant. On the other hand, threats that Jeremy Malcolm and others have
>>> been raising on wordings and semantics on child pornography by a UN
>>> Drafting.committee show an example of new and emergent threats.
>>>
>>> Personally, even if Arden takes it to the UN, the UN is obliged and
>>> mandated not to duplicate work that is already done and to this end, the UN
>>> Secretary General's foresight in appointing the HLP and launching the
>>> report is key as geopolitical tensions are further heightened. I have yet
>>> to read the full HLP report, but if it is missing a FoX compoment, then a
>>> letter to the Co-Chairs, the UN Secretary General.may the faster non
>>> bureaucratic way to get traction.
>>>
>>> What giants like Facebook would fear is being broken up for regulation!
>>> Frankly Macron is hated in France just as Trump is hated in the US for
>>> imposing taxes.
>>>
>>> It would be great for the IGC to host and convene a panel to explore
>>> this. I would recommend Bertrand from Internet Jurisdiction to co
>>> facilitate and moderate a geographically diverse panel and a representative
>>> from the Geneva Internet Platform. I know Bertrand is speaking at a
>>> European Court of Human Rights with others.
>>>
>>> We need to take a step back and reflect as a community how we want to
>>> engage. We cannot be reactive and we have to stay ahead of the curve.
>>>
>>> 2.36am so best be getting back to bed.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Sala
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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