[governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects
Jeanette hofmann
jeanette at wzb.eu
Wed Jul 17 16:26:15 EDT 2019
I asked myself the same question. Is there more than a handful of people
who are members of bestbits but not of the caucus?
And also, whether we vote now or in a month or two, does this really
matter?
No issue seems trivial enough to cause yet another pointless fight on
this list...
jeanette
Am 17.07.19 um 22:03 schrieb david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu:
> What are the grounds – the evidence – for thinking there is some large
> group of BestBits adherents who have not previously also joined IGC?
> Indeed, the expectation is that many came from IGC, are still here.
> Or, also joined iGC, because was felt important to see the IGC
> discussions too.
>
> And these deliberations re BestBits' denouement have been gong on for
> months, perhaps well over half a year now.
>
> All this would tend in the direction: That there could be a few who may
> not have also joined IGC. But the likelihood seems that there is
> _unlikely_ to be a large group outstanding.
>
> One could say: See if there is some large number joining in the next,
> say, week. If not, when some joint BB member here alerts BB, then the
> matter would seem to be moot.
>
> And the charter could be honored for a change.
>
> With, decidedly, more voting than supposed earlier below.
>
> David
>
>
>> On Jul 17, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear David,
>>
>> Thank you very much for your reply! If at my email it sounded as if im
>> questioning the need for elections, let me be clear: I am not against
>> it and happen to think its past overdue. Last IGC elections were
>> conducted in 2017 and I agree with everyone who highlighted that we
>> should have done it already instead of allowing for one of the
>> Co-Coordinators term to expire. But at the same time, the list was
>> facing some other issues related to website, server and so on. So I
>> take part of the fault for not kickstarting elections before.
>>
>> The concern here is the timing of it and if whether or not we are
>> giving it a little time for new members to be able to vote. I think
>> both sides have very good arguments and it would be great if we could
>> discuss it more openly either here or at the call.
>>
>> Best,
>> Bruna Santos
>>
>> Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 16:18, <david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu
>> <mailto:david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu>> a écrit :
>>
>> — inline —
>>
>>> On Jul 17, 2019, at 8:39 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via
>>> governance Mailing List) <governance at lists.riseup.net
>>> <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> I am afraid that if we open elections now there would be only
>>> arsene, Parminder, Sheetal, Ian and Yourself voting - considering
>>> the charter requirements to be a voting member - is that
>>> legitimate ?
>>
>> Most decidedly not the case. Whether folks post, they are out here.
>>
>> Check the membership (listserve) list. They are out here.
>>
>> Need to be respected. Via terms of the charter. There is one.
>>
>> David
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Bruna Santos
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 09:28, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
>>> <governance at lists.riseup.net
>>> <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> a écrit :
>>>
>>> I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by the
>>> coordinators.
>>> The Charter clearly states that revisions made can only be
>>> voted on by those that participate in last held elections.
>>> Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended last
>>> January by virtue of Charter.
>>>
>>> Get on with the elections!
>>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro,
>>> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> What a load of rubbish!
>>> The elections need to take place asap.
>>> The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously.
>>>
>>>
>>> Get it together!
>>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar,
>>> <sheetal at gp-digital.org <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering
>>> group, if everyone is ok with that. Apart from Bruna,
>>> I would also suggest that Farzaneh is involved in
>>> such a group if she can be.
>>>
>>> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so
>>> far, much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Sheetal.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali
>>> <arsenebaguma at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian.
>>>
>>> I really don't see a point of having elections
>>> now in the middle of an
>>> important process that we all look forward to. I
>>> think we should aim
>>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the
>>> latest so that
>>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is
>>> in November, we
>>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because
>>> that's the only big
>>> physical gathering for most of us here for the
>>> year and then comes
>>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and
>>> decisions?) should be
>>> taken by Berlin?
>>>
>>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know
>>> I should have done
>>> this long time ago but if you have been
>>> following, I have only been
>>> doing my best to help out here) and will no
>>> longer take an official
>>> position here. I remain a member and will leave
>>> it to Bruna who is
>>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and
>>> Sheetal who has been
>>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust
>>> at least the two
>>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next
>>> few months?
>>>
>>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a
>>> member so please
>>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a
>>> member.
>>>
>>> I hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Arsene
>>>
>>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00,ian.peter at ianpeter.com
>>> <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com><ian.peter at ianpeter.com
>>> <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>>:
>>> > Thanks for that update Arsene.
>>> >
>>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as
>>> everything else you
>>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out
>>> process which will go well
>>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path
>>> forward, but I think in the
>>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this
>>> list to endorse a
>>> > leadership group who will guide this process
>>> forward. I would like to
>>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the
>>> list is happy with the
>>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a
>>> leadership group taking it
>>> > forward.
>>> >
>>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO.
>>> >
>>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is
>>> very important that it
>>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others
>>> have mentioned, and that
>>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and
>>> endorsed.
>>> >
>>> > Ian Peter
>>> > ------ Original Message ------
>>> > From: "Arsène Tungali"
>>> <governance at lists.riseup.net
>>> <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>>
>>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>> <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>
>>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com
>>> <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>"
>>> <ian.peter at ianpeter.com
>>> <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>>; "Salanieta T.
>>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro"
>>> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>>;
>>> "Parminder"
>>> > <parminder at itforchange.net
>>> <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>>; "governance"
>>> <governance at lists.riseup.net
>>> <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>>
>>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging
>>> Bestbits in, IGF Day
>>> > zero event and other subjects
>>> >
>>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you.
>>> >>
>>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with
>>> Bruna during the last
>>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time
>>> to conduct co-co
>>> >>elections is right after the merger step is
>>> completed, the new charter
>>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I
>>> am sure Bruna was
>>> >>planning to report this to the list at some
>>> point, but here you are.
>>> >>
>>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call
>>> and agree on next steps.
>>> >>
>>> >>Regards,
>>> >>Arsene
>>> >>
>>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar
>>> <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>> <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>>:
>>> >>> Dear all,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> While the closure of Bestbits is an internal
>>> matter for Bestbits, we
>>> >>> have
>>> >>> agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say
>>> any IGC conversations need to
>>> >>> take that into account. We're at that point
>>> where the closure has been
>>> >>> agreed but there are still people on
>>> Bestbits who are not on IGC but
>>> >>> likely
>>> >>> will sign up to be part of the discussions soon.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> As such, shouldn't we wait for those from
>>> Bestbits who want to join to
>>> >>> join
>>> >>> and we can then get the IGC coordinator
>>> elections going? The call to
>>> >>> agree
>>> >>> next steps and make sure everyone is on the
>>> same page is going to be
>>> >>> w/c
>>> >>> August 5.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Best
>>> >>> Sheetal
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at
>>> 06:29,ian.peter at ianpeter.com
>>> <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>>> >>> <ian.peter at ianpeter.com
>>> <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Bruna,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On a more substantive matter -
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Can you also advise us on how progress is
>>> going as regards getting the
>>> >>>> IGC
>>> >>>> Coordinator elections (which were due last
>>> January) underway? On June
>>> >>>> 26
>>> >>>> you advised the list that you. would be
>>> talking to Arsene and would
>>> >>>> get
>>> >>>> back to the list ASAP. Do you have an update?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Ian Peter
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>> >>>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
>>> <governance at lists.riseup.net
>>> <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>>
>>> >>>> To: "Parminder" <parminder at itforchange.net
>>> <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>>
>>> >>>> Cc: "governance"
>>> <governance at lists.riseup.net
>>> <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>>
>>> >>>> Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC:
>>> Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day
>>> >>>> zero
>>> >>>> event and other subjects
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Agree with Parminder.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder,
>>> <parminder at itforchange.net
>>> <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> HI Bruna/ All
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Good morning to all!
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their
>>> internal matter.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> As for a day zero event at the IGF for the
>>> IGC, when do you plan
>>> >>>>> it...
>>> >>>>> Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch
>>> on day zero, and please
>>> >>>>> ensure
>>> >>>>> that these do not clash. Thanks.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> While as a secondary or adjunct method
>>> call based discussions can be
>>> >>>>> done
>>> >>>>> among however wishes to do so, the charter
>>> clearly says that the main
>>> >>>>> and
>>> >>>>> authoritative space of IGC's work will be
>>> this e-list, which I
>>> >>>>> request
>>> >>>>> everyone's attention to.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> thanks and best regards
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> parminder
>>> >>>>> On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos
>>> Santos (via governance Mailing
>>> >>>>> List) wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Dear IGC members,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> As some of you might be aware, there has
>>> been some discussions around
>>> >>>>> the
>>> >>>>> merger of BestBits and IGC going on for
>>> the past months.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Back in Tunis, @RightsCon
>>> <rightscon at accessnow.org
>>> <mailto:rightscon at accessnow.org>>, some of us
>>> >>>>> convened
>>> >>>>> to discuss further steps for Civil Society
>>> Coordination and that also
>>> >>>>> entailed the merger debate. The summary of
>>> the discussion, as well as
>>> >>>>> the
>>> >>>>> decision on closing BestBits can all be
>>> found at the BestBits list
>>> >>>>>
>>> <http://lists.bestbits.net/arc/bestbits/2019-07/msg00001.html>.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Past this moment, theres a need to arrange
>>> a call to discuss our next
>>> >>>>> steps, including a Day Zero Event at the
>>> IGF, later in November.
>>> >>>>> Another
>>> >>>>> agenda items are also reviving the IGC
>>> website, IGC co-coordinators
>>> >>>>> elections and our charter. Additionally to
>>> IGC related subjects,
>>> >>>>> there
>>> >>>>> is
>>> >>>>> also the need to discuss a proper closure
>>> for BestBits, as well as
>>> >>>>> proper
>>> >>>>> outreach in a transparent way and the
>>> possibility for members to join
>>> >>>>> IGC.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar
>>> <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>> <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> created this
>>> >>>>> doodle for all interested members to
>>> indicate their availability for
>>> >>>>> the
>>> >>>>> call:https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26
>>> >>>>> <https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Best Regards,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> --
>>> >>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>>> >>>>> @boomartins
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