[governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects

Wed Jul 17 15:29:30 EDT 2019

Parminder,

I think your email below is out of the line and accusatory. Especially
jumping to the conclusion, interpreting what Sheetal and Arsene are saying
wrongly and then accusing people of self-appointing themselves to
leadership roles. While it is important to pay attention to processes and
not violate them and remind ourselves what processes are in place, it is
quite wrong to observe the process which had started in December 2018, be
quiet about it and then suddenly jump in not with constructive feedback but
with accusations. I think our community has to stand up against such an
accusatory and unfair attitude. You could have made your points without
accusing people and by being patient, hearing them out and suggesting the
right course of action.

Also every time we are discussing to have a civil society meeting, you
bring up the JNC meetings. We had discussions to reinvigorate the network
of civil society and had planned to have a meeting before RightsCon - But
you had gone ahead and scheduled JNC meeting without coordinating at all.
We had to reschedule to accommodate you and we did. Again this time you
believe that the civil society meeting that is going to happen on day 0 of
IGF should consider not to clash with JNC instead of wanting to collaborate
to make the IGC meeting happen.

With Bestbits closing down and some of its members joining IGC, we will be
a much stronger civil society network that can take collective action and
be less fragmented. We did not benefit from the fragmentation that happened
a couple of years ago, and we need to stop that from happening again. I
invite you to collaborate constructively with IGC.

Best regards,

Farzaneh

On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:22 PM parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:

> So well
>
> Cant understand whether this is just an issue of a set of people from
> another group wanting to join IGC, bec they are dissolving theirs, and
> there is just this concern (the joining process otherwise being straight
> forward) that they get that 2 month cooling period to be able to
> participate in the IGC election (although of course cooling periods too
> exist for good reason).
>
> Because herewe also seem being bequeathed a whole new self appointed
> leadership , which, excuse me to say it, is nothing short of absolutely
> stunning.
>
> Now this below idea, per force and naturally, occurred to me when I read
> these emails earlier in the day, But I did  not share it at that time out
> of geniality. But I am hardly able to repress it now, having been pushed
> into writing these emails now after it seems that the concerned people --
> even after many exchanges over today and earlier --  clearly have  no
> intention to do anything other than what they were set upon earlier and
> others have been objecting to   ...
>
> It is only in half (and not, full) jest that I quote below the wikipedia
> entry for 'reverse takeover'
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_takeover> ;), with apologies, but
> sometimes outside analogies can throw good light on a murky subject  -- and
> how close the analogy reads!
>
> A *reverse takeover* or *reverse merger takeover* (reverse IPO
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_public_offering>) is the
> acquisition of a public company
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_company> by a private company
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_company> so that the private
> company can bypass the lengthy and complex process of going public.[1]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_takeover#cite_note-ReverseMergers-1>
>  The transaction typically requires reorganization of capitalization of
> the acquiring company.[2]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_takeover#cite_note-2> Sometimes,
> conversely, the private company is bought by the public listed company
> through an asset swap and share issue.[3]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_takeover#cite_note-3>
>
>
> In a reverse takeover, shareholders of the private company purchase
> control of the public shell company
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_(corporation)> and then merge it
> with the private company. The publicly traded corporation is called a
> "shell" since all that exists of the original company is its organizational
> structure. The private company shareholders receive a substantial majority
> of the shares of the public company and control of its board of directors
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Board_of_directors>. The transaction can
> be accomplished within weeks.
>
> The transaction involves the private and shell company exchanging
> information on each other, negotiating the merger terms, and signing a
> share exchange agreement. At the closing, the shell company issues a
> substantial majority of its shares and board control to the shareholders of
> the private company. The private company's shareholders pay for the shell
> company by contributing their shares in the private company to the shell
> company that they now control. This share exchange and change of control
> completes the reverse takeover, transforming the formerly privately held
> company into a publicly held company.
>
>
> parminder
>
>
>
>
> On 17/07/19 4:06 PM, Sheetal Kumar wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone is ok
> with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is involved
> in such a group if she can be.
>
> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much appreciated.
>
> Best
> Sheetal.
>
> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian.
>>
>> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of an
>> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim
>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that
>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we
>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big
>> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes
>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should be
>> taken by Berlin?
>>
>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done
>> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been
>> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official
>> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is
>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has been
>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two
>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months?
>>
>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please
>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member.
>>
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Arsene
>>
>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com <
>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com>:
>> > Thanks for that update Arsene.
>> >
>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you
>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will go well
>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in the
>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a
>> > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would like to
>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with the
>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group taking it
>> > forward.
>> >
>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO.
>> >
>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important that it
>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and that
>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed.
>> >
>> > Ian Peter
>> > ------ Original Message ------
>> > From: "Arsène Tungali" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>; "Salanieta T.
>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>; "Parminder"
>> > <parminder at itforchange.net>; "governance" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day
>> > zero event and other subjects
>> >
>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you.
>> >>
>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last
>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co
>> >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new charter
>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was
>> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are.
>> >>
>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next steps.
>> >>
>> >>Regards,
>> >>Arsene
>> >>
>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>:
>> >>>  Dear all,
>> >>>
>> >>>  While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits, we
>> >>> have
>> >>>  agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations need
>> to
>> >>>  take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has
>> been
>> >>>  agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC but
>> >>> likely
>> >>>  will sign up to be part of the discussions soon.
>> >>>
>> >>>  As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to join
>> to
>> >>> join
>> >>>  and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call to
>> >>> agree
>> >>>  next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to be
>> >>> w/c
>> >>>  August 5.
>> >>>
>> >>>  Best
>> >>>  Sheetal
>> >>>
>> >>>  On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com
>> >>>  <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>> >>>  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>  Bruna,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  On a more substantive matter -
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards getting
>> the
>> >>>>  IGC
>> >>>>  Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On
>> June
>> >>>> 26
>> >>>>  you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and would
>> >>>> get
>> >>>>  back to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  Ian Peter
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  ------ Original Message ------
>> >>>>  From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>> >>>>  To: "Parminder" <parminder at itforchange.net>
>> >>>>  Cc: "governance" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>> >>>>  Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM
>> >>>>  Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day
>> >>>> zero
>> >>>>  event and other subjects
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  Agree with Parminder.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, <parminder at itforchange.net>
>> >>>>  wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>  HI Bruna/ All
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  Good morning to all!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan
>> >>>>> it...
>> >>>>>  Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and please
>> >>>>>  ensure
>> >>>>>  that these do not clash. Thanks.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions can
>> be
>> >>>>>  done
>> >>>>>  among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that the
>> main
>> >>>>>  and
>> >>>>>  authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I
>> >>>>> request
>> >>>>>  everyone's attention to.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  thanks and best regards
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  parminder
>> >>>>>  On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance
>> Mailing
>> >>>>>  List) wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  Dear IGC members,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions
>> around
>> >>>>>  the
>> >>>>>  merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  Back in Tunis, @RightsCon <rightscon at accessnow.org>, some of us
>> >>>>> convened
>> >>>>>  to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and that
>> also
>> >>>>>  entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as well
>> as
>> >>>>>  the
>> >>>>>  decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits list
>> >>>>>  <http://lists.bestbits.net/arc/bestbits/2019-07/msg00001.html>.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss our
>> next
>> >>>>>  steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November.
>> >>>>> Another
>> >>>>>  agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC co-coordinators
>> >>>>>  elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects,
>> >>>>> there
>> >>>>>  is
>> >>>>>  also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well as
>> >>>>>  proper
>> >>>>>  outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members to
>> join
>> >>>>>  IGC.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org> created
>> this
>> >>>>>  doodle for all interested members to indicate their availability
>> for
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>>  call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26
>> >>>>>  <https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  Best Regards,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  --
>> >>>>>  *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>> >>>>>  @boomartins
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