[governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day zero event and other subjects

Wed Jul 17 15:28:18 EDT 2019

Dear David,

Thank you very much for your reply! If at my email it sounded as if im
questioning the need for elections, let me be clear: I am not against it
and happen to think its past overdue. Last IGC elections were conducted in
2017 and I agree with everyone who highlighted that we should have done it
already instead of allowing for one of the Co-Coordinators term to expire.
But at the same time, the list was facing some other issues related to
website, server and so on. So I take part of the fault for not kickstarting
elections before.

The concern here is the timing of it and if whether or not we are giving it
a little time for new members to be able to vote. I think both sides have
very good arguments and it would be great if we could discuss it more
openly either here or at the call.

Best,
Bruna Santos

Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 16:18, <david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu> a écrit :

> — inline —
>
> On Jul 17, 2019, at 8:39 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance
> Mailing List) <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
> ...
>
>  I am afraid that if we open elections now there would be only arsene,
> Parminder, Sheetal, Ian and Yourself voting - considering the charter
> requirements to be a voting member - is that legitimate ?
>
>
> Most decidedly not the case.  Whether folks post, they are out here.
>
> Check the membership (listserve) list.  They are out here.
>
> Need to be respected.  Via terms of the charter.  There is one.
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> ...
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Bruna Santos
>
>
>
> Le mer. 17 juil. 2019 à 09:28, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <
> governance at lists.riseup.net> a écrit :
>
>> I will not apologise for the incompetence shown by the coordinators.
>> The Charter clearly states that revisions made can only be voted on by
>> those that participate in last held elections.
>> Arsene no longer is coordinator and this term ended last January by
>> virtue of Charter.
>>
>> Get on with the elections!
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:57 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, <
>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What a load of rubbish!
>>> The elections need to take place asap.
>>> The preparations for the IGF can continue simultaneously.
>>>
>>>
>>> Get it together!
>>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 11:37 am Sheetal Kumar, <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm happy to be part of a leadership or steering group, if everyone is
>>>> ok with that. Apart from Bruna, I would also suggest that Farzaneh is
>>>> involved in such a group if she can be.
>>>>
>>>> And thank you Arsene for your help and efforts so far, much
>>>> appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> Sheetal.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 11:29, Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for sharing that, Ian.
>>>>>
>>>>> I really don't see a point of having elections now in the middle of an
>>>>> important process that we all look forward to. I think we should aim
>>>>> at concluding this by the end of the year, at the latest so that
>>>>> January 2020, we have everything in place? IGF is in November, we
>>>>> should be sufficiently advanced by then because that's the only big
>>>>> physical gathering for most of us here for the year and then comes
>>>>> holidays in December. All major discussions (and decisions?) should be
>>>>> taken by Berlin?
>>>>>
>>>>> If the list is happy, I am stepping down (i know I should have done
>>>>> this long time ago but if you have been following, I have only been
>>>>> doing my best to help out here) and will no longer take an official
>>>>> position here. I remain a member and will leave it to Bruna who is
>>>>> still a legitimate Co-coordinator, I believe, and Sheetal who has been
>>>>> leading this process (merger, etc). Can we trust at least the two
>>>>> individuals to lead us to a new IGC in the next few months?
>>>>>
>>>>> This said, from now on, I will be acting as a member so please
>>>>> consider my emails not as a Co-coordinator but a member.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Arsene
>>>>>
>>>>> 2019-07-17 12:18 UTC+02:00, ian.peter at ianpeter.com <
>>>>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com>:
>>>>> > Thanks for that update Arsene.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If you are adopting a new charter as well as everything else you
>>>>> > mention, it looks to me like a long drawn out process which will go
>>>>> well
>>>>> > into 2020. That may well be the best path forward, but I think in the
>>>>> > circumstances it would be appropriate for this list to endorse a
>>>>> > leadership group who will guide this process forward. I would like to
>>>>> > feel that a step has been taken to ensure the list is happy with the
>>>>> > directions being discussed and agreeable to a leadership group
>>>>> taking it
>>>>> > forward.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > That would add a lot of credibiity IMHO.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I won't be joining the call, but I think it is very important that it
>>>>> > reports back to here, as Parminder and others have mentioned, and
>>>>> that
>>>>> > steps forward are discussed here on list and endorsed.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Ian Peter
>>>>> > ------ Original Message ------
>>>>> > From: "Arsène Tungali" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>>>>> > To: "Sheetal Kumar" <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>> > Cc: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>; "Salanieta T.
>>>>> > Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>;
>>>>> "Parminder"
>>>>> > <parminder at itforchange.net>; "governance" <
>>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net>
>>>>> > Sent: 17/07/2019 7:55:02 PM
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF Day
>>>>> > zero event and other subjects
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>Good point, Sheetal and I agree with you.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>I had briefly discussed the election issue with Bruna during the last
>>>>> >>ICANN meeting and we agreed that the best time to conduct co-co
>>>>> >>elections is right after the merger step is completed, the new
>>>>> charter
>>>>> >>has been adopted and we have a unified list. I am sure Bruna was
>>>>> >>planning to report this to the list at some point, but here you are.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>I would suggest we all plan to attend the call and agree on next
>>>>> steps.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Regards,
>>>>> >>Arsene
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>2019-07-17 11:44 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>:
>>>>> >>>  Dear all,
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>  While the closure of Bestbits is an internal matter for Bestbits,
>>>>> we
>>>>> >>> have
>>>>> >>>  agreed for it to be closed and so I'd say any IGC conversations
>>>>> need to
>>>>> >>>  take that into account. We're at that point where the closure has
>>>>> been
>>>>> >>>  agreed but there are still people on Bestbits who are not on IGC
>>>>> but
>>>>> >>> likely
>>>>> >>>  will sign up to be part of the discussions soon.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>  As such, shouldn't we wait for those from Bestbits who want to
>>>>> join to
>>>>> >>> join
>>>>> >>>  and we can then get the IGC coordinator elections going? The call
>>>>> to
>>>>> >>> agree
>>>>> >>>  next steps and make sure everyone is on the same page is going to
>>>>> be
>>>>> >>> w/c
>>>>> >>>  August 5.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>  Best
>>>>> >>>  Sheetal
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>  On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 at 06:29, ian.peter at ianpeter.com
>>>>> >>>  <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>>>>> >>>  wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>>  Bruna,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>  On a more substantive matter -
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>  Can you also advise us on how progress is going as regards
>>>>> getting the
>>>>> >>>>  IGC
>>>>> >>>>  Coordinator elections (which were due last January) underway? On
>>>>> June
>>>>> >>>> 26
>>>>> >>>>  you advised the list that you. would be talking to Arsene and
>>>>> would
>>>>> >>>> get
>>>>> >>>>  back to the list ASAP.  Do you have an update?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>  Ian Peter
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>  ------ Original Message ------
>>>>> >>>>  From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <
>>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net>
>>>>> >>>>  To: "Parminder" <parminder at itforchange.net>
>>>>> >>>>  Cc: "governance" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>>>>> >>>>  Sent: 17/07/2019 2:14:13 PM
>>>>> >>>>  Subject: Re: [governance] Reviving IGC: Merging Bestbits in, IGF
>>>>> Day
>>>>> >>>> zero
>>>>> >>>>  event and other subjects
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>  Agree with Parminder.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>  On Wed, 17 Jul 2019, 5:11 am parminder, <
>>>>> parminder at itforchange.net>
>>>>> >>>>  wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>>  HI Bruna/ All
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>  Good morning to all!
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>  Bestbits' merging into the IGC is their internal matter.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>  As for a day zero event at the IGF for the IGC, when do you plan
>>>>> >>>>> it...
>>>>> >>>>>  Just Net Coalition has an event post lunch on day zero, and
>>>>> please
>>>>> >>>>>  ensure
>>>>> >>>>>  that these do not clash. Thanks.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>  While as a secondary or adjunct method call based discussions
>>>>> can be
>>>>> >>>>>  done
>>>>> >>>>>  among however wishes to do so, the charter clearly says that
>>>>> the main
>>>>> >>>>>  and
>>>>> >>>>>  authoritative space of IGC's work will be this e-list, which I
>>>>> >>>>> request
>>>>> >>>>>  everyone's attention to.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>  thanks and best regards
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>  parminder
>>>>> >>>>>  On 17/07/19 7:32 AM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance
>>>>> Mailing
>>>>> >>>>>  List) wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>  Dear IGC members,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>  As some of you might be aware, there has been some discussions
>>>>> around
>>>>> >>>>>  the
>>>>> >>>>>  merger of BestBits and IGC going on for the past months.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>  Back in Tunis, @RightsCon <rightscon at accessnow.org>, some of us
>>>>> >>>>> convened
>>>>> >>>>>  to discuss further steps for Civil Society Coordination and
>>>>> that also
>>>>> >>>>>  entailed the merger debate. The summary of the discussion, as
>>>>> well as
>>>>> >>>>>  the
>>>>> >>>>>  decision on closing BestBits can all be found at the BestBits
>>>>> list
>>>>> >>>>>  <http://lists.bestbits.net/arc/bestbits/2019-07/msg00001.html>.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>  Past this moment, theres a need to arrange a call to discuss
>>>>> our next
>>>>> >>>>>  steps, including a Day Zero Event at the IGF, later in November.
>>>>> >>>>> Another
>>>>> >>>>>  agenda items are also reviving the IGC website, IGC
>>>>> co-coordinators
>>>>> >>>>>  elections and our charter. Additionally to IGC related subjects,
>>>>> >>>>> there
>>>>> >>>>>  is
>>>>> >>>>>  also the need to discuss a proper closure for BestBits, as well
>>>>> as
>>>>> >>>>>  proper
>>>>> >>>>>  outreach in a transparent way and the possibility for members
>>>>> to join
>>>>> >>>>>  IGC.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>  For this reason, @Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org>
>>>>> created this
>>>>> >>>>>  doodle for all interested members to indicate their
>>>>> availability for
>>>>> >>>>> the
>>>>> >>>>>  call: https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26
>>>>> >>>>>  <https://doodle.com/poll/fy4mgf68qehhhh26>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>  Best Regards,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>  --
>>>>> >>>>>  *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>  Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>>>>> >>>>>  @boomartins
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>>>>> >>--
>>>>> >>------------------------
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>>>>> >>
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>>>>> --
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