[governance] Idea of Instant Messaging for IGCaucus

Mon Jul 29 07:13:39 EDT 2019

 Dear Alex,
>I do think its a great idea to move off email.

Be assured that I am not proposing to turn the mailing list off, but the idea is to introduce some additional medium of communication to bring the wider range community on discussion forum and IG workspace.
Unfortunately, Telegram is officially blocked here in Pakistan.  

Best Regards,
Imran

    On Monday, 29 July 2019, 15:47:11 GMT+5, Alex Comninos <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:  

 Hi All
I would recommend either Telegram or WhatsApp, both offer end-to-end encryption. How this works in practice for groups is questionable.
https://medium.com/@haniahshafi/are-whatsapp-group-chats-vulnerable-to-spying-despite-end-to-end-encryption-ab0e522fa8d9
I do think its a great idea to move off email.
Telegram has much cooler group functionality and also allows to make public groups.
WhatsApp is more ubiquitously used, although there are some that don’t like to use it because Facebook.
--Alex Comninoshttp://alex.africa

On 29 Jul 2019, at 11:37, Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List) <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
 Thanks Nadira,Privacy is really major concern and not even if the contact information is used for marketing or marketers, but also track behaviors and eyeball or information stored on the computing devices. This is a real life issue but these application claims to use this artificial intelligence to support their users on the other hand and we can not stop them from doing this... It's also an IG Issue. 
>So far I didn't experience any marketing messages stemmed from Skype chat.

Skype Messaging: Do you think that its chat can be reviewed later-on or in other words viewable by newcomers/ newjoiners to the the discussion thread of discussion group? I think that this feature will be required or good to have in the system to be proposed to opt. 
Secondly, the discussion could be viewable for public who are not members of the caucus... If comparing withe the basic features of mailing list for transparency and openness. 
Thirdly, we should also look into its capacity, that how much users in group could be accommodated at a same time. 
Best Regards 
Imran Ahmed Shah

    On Monday, 29 July 2019, 13:56:55 GMT+5, Nadira Alaraj <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:  

 Thank you Imran for raising this issue.I agree with you that many of those who started with social media before emails hardly use emails.However we all have our concerns with regards to the privacy of the different instant messaging that track what we do and expose us to unrequired marketing messages.So far I didn't experience any marketing messages stemmed from Skype chat.
Nadira AL-Araj 
On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 09:44 Imran Ahmed Shah <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:

Dear All, 

As we have seen that electronicmail system (email) replaced the snail or post mail system decades ago, in therecent era (since last couple of years), the email system has also left-behind* bythe new form of text, audio and visual or video based instant messaging commonlyused as communication mechanism over the social networks. I also believe that thenew generation is hardly using email system or perhaps using it very rarely.
IGC Mailing lists had been anopenly viewable platform with subjective discussion where everyone can reply inhis/er own peace time. Very positively served its purpose for last 15+ years. However, I am opening a discussion thread for kind reviewand discussion among the caucus; that how much it is useful and practical, ifwe could also (be able) to have (some kind of) instant messaging platform forthe IGC Caucus. I do not have the exact idea that which of the platform will bemost relevant and appropriate, open-source, openly viewable and accessible internationally,but I learned that unless we adopt the communication media of the new generation,there will remain a significant gap between ages (or age base user constituencies),and we will not be able to engage them or involve them. I am looking towards enhancementof our capacity allowing the broader and more global constituency and youth tobe involved and contribute transnational character of Civil Society in InternationalInternet Governance Workspace with their logical participation and representation from every region of the globe.
Comments of everyone on the list and off the list are welcome.
Thanking you and Best Regards

Imran Ahmed Shah
P.S.*Just to clarify that I am not saying that email system has been failed. I believe that email system is very useful and implemented significantly and globally, however adding the positive impact and characteristics and usefulness of the instant messaging platforms too.---
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