[governance] Proposed statement on .ORG sale
parminder
parminder at itforchange.net
Wed Dec 4 08:12:01 EST 2019
thanks for this effort Ayden
But when there is such a strong 'stop the sale' movement out there, it
will be embarrassing for the IG related civil society groups to say,
well, at least let Ethos now behave when ISOC did not .... Why ask Ethos
to set PIR as a benefit corporation (which they will certainly not) when
the existing arrangement (since the sale is not through) is itself more
satisfactory? Why not ask for status quo and stopping the sale?
parminder
On 04/12/19 6:01 PM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I have a new proposed statement that I hope we may consider issuing.
> Please see below. I have used Sheetal's language as a starting point
> (thank you!) but I am afraid I did change the messaging quite a bit.
> This is just a suggestion and please do feel free to edit it to pieces.
>
> Like Brett, I too would prefer we advocate for stopping the sale
> altogether, but in the spirit of compromise and given a number of
> posts on this list that seem supportive of the sale, I've tried a
> different approach here.
>
> Thanks and best wishes,
> Ayden Férdeline
>
> /To:// //Gonzalo Camarillo, Chair of the Board of Trustees,
> Internet Society/
>
>
> /As members of a network which encompasses many non-commercial
> organizations and public interest technologists, we are concerned by
> the announcement that Ethos Capital is acquiring the assets of the
> Public Interest Registry (PIR) from the Internet Society (ISOC),
> including the .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG Registry Agreements. //
> /
>
> /
> /
>
> /Principally, we are concerned that the sale of PIR to a private
> entity will significantly alter the Domain Name System and weaken
> ISOC. PIR played an important role, as the only remaining
> non-commercial top-level domain registry operator, in serving as a
> counterbalance against commercial exploitation. PIR ran .ORG, .NGO,
> and .ONG for the benefit of its users, whereas other top-level domains
> are run by private companies with purely financial objectives. While
> the interests of companies and users do at times overlap, they can
> also conflict, and when this occurs there are significant human rights
> implications. PIR, as a subsidiary of ISOC, could be relied upon to do
> what was best for domain name registrants, and has a proud history of
> doing just that. However, PIR also gave ISOC legitimacy and influence.
> It allowed ISOC to take an active role in shaping Internet
> infrastructure. In relinquishing its control over PIR, ISOC loses its
> ability to directly impact how millions of people around the world
> positively experience the Internet every day, and we think that is a
> great pity.//
> /
>
> /
> /
>
> /This is a significant change, for ISOC and for the Internet
> community, and we are not yet satisfied that there are appropriate
> safeguards in place to protect the interests of .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG
> registrants and the people who visit their websites every day. You
> have the ability to put requests to Ethos Capital and to call this
> deal off if appropriate and binding safeguards cannot be put in place.
> We encourage you to do just that. As a sign of good faith, we ask that
> ISOC have Ethos Capital commit to incorporating PIR as a benefit
> corporation. We understand that Ethos Capital has said they are
> evaluating becoming a B Lab B Corp, but this is not the same thing as
> a benefit corporation and is instead a non-binding certification. //
> /
>
> /
> /
>
> /Large parts of the world are uncomfortable with the Internet being
> governed entirely by commercial interests, and many of our members are
> deeply uncomfortable with PIR being sold at all. However,
> incorporation as a benefit corporation could provide a sturdier path
> forward if ISOC does proceed to sell the assets of PIR, and could be
> an effective means of mitigating against some of the risks that we can
> foresee emerging from this sale. A benefit corporation in the right
> jurisdiction would require the publication of comprehensive, credible,
> independent, and transparent annual reports on social impact and, most
> importantly, require the organization to consider benefits to the
> public in addition to profit when decisions are being made. And, it
> would oblige Ethos Capital to honor the promises and commitments it is
> making today.//
> /
>
> / //
> /
>
> /We trust that you understand why this is important to us. Ethos
> Capital is an unknown entity, and in the absence of clear information
> about their motives behind acquiring PIR and their sales pitch to
> investors, the non-profit and non-governmental communities require
> assurances that the future of the .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG domain names
> that we use for our email, websites, campaigns, and fundraising
> efforts are in safe hands. These are more than just domains, they are
> symbols of our desire to do good./
>
>
>
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Sunday, 1 December 2019 17:44, Sheetal Kumar
> <sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear Ayden, all,
>>
>> Thanks for your responses! It seems to me that if we're going to
>> agree on anything, it's the lack of transparency that we can agree
>> needs to be rectified. I've slightly reworded the below in light of
>> the recent suggestions and remarks.
>>
>> What do others think about Sylvain's suggestions of asking about
>> setting up a commons PIR (is this possible/feasible?) and of sending
>> this also to ISOC's BoT and CEO? Do you have any others?
>>
>> /As members of a network which encompasses many non-commercial
>> organisations, we are concerned about the lack of transparency
>> regarding the sale of .ORG. When the board discusses the sale of
>> .org, we request that these questions are considered in the due
>> diligence process: /
>>
>> /- What does the Board intend to do in order to protect the existing
>> millions of .ORG registrants?
>> - After the changes to the .ORG contract to preserve existing rights
>> of .ORG registrants, how else does the Board intend to ensure the
>> sale of PIR (this new steward of .org) will act on behalf of the
>> public interest and the world community of noncommercial, civil
>> society groups in the world?
>> - What are ICANN's obligation to protect those organizations engaged
>> in missions of "public interest around the world?"
>> - How does the Board respond to allegations/concerns regarding
>> possible conflict of interest in transference of stewardship to Ethos
>> capital?/
>> //
>> /We request answers to these questions in the spirit of building
>> trust among NGOs and the non-commercial constituency more generally
>> and those who play a key role in stewarding the Internet./
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 at 17:58, Ayden Férdeline <ayden at ferdeline.com
>> <mailto:ayden at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>>
>> While I agree these are questions for the ISOC Board of Trustees,
>> I believe they are *also* questions for the ICANN Board. I expect
>> that the ICANN Board will not respond to them, but I think they
>> could - and should - and I encourage us to place pressure on both
>> parties to take these questions and the sentiments behind them
>> seriously.
>>
>> ICANN, in particular, does need to address at least the
>> perception that there is a revolving door of insiders who are
>> behind this and other deals. And ISOC needs to be more
>> transparent about what due diligence it did before entering into
>> the arrangement to sell PIR, and what mechanisms it has put in
>> place (if any) to protect .ORG, .NGO, and .ONG registrants. Thanks.
>>
>> Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline
>>
>>
>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> On Saturday, 30 November 2019 13:34, James Gannon
>> <james at cyberinvasion.net <mailto:james at cyberinvasion.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> These are questions for the ISOC Board not the ICANN board.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 30 Nov 2019, at 13:09, Sheetal Kumar <sheetal at gp-digital.org
>>>> <mailto:sheetal at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> What do people think about sending a letter to the ICANN Board
>>>> with a series of questions in order to get more transparency?
>>>> Bruna and I discussed this, and chatted to others, and are
>>>> wondering what you think of this approach. As the Board will
>>>> meet and discuss the sale as part of a due diligence process,
>>>> we thought it might be a constructive approach to request they
>>>> consider and answer certain questions.
>>>>
>>>> It would be great to hear your views on this approach and on
>>>> the questions. See below:
>>>>
>>>> /When the board discusses the sale of .org, we request that
>>>> these questions are considered in the due diligence process: /
>>>>
>>>> /- What does the Board intend to do in order to protect the
>>>> existing millions of .ORG registrants?
>>>> - After the changes to the .ORG contract to preserve existing
>>>> rights of .ORG registrants, how else does the Board intend to
>>>> ensure the sale of PIR (this new steward of .org) will act on
>>>> behalf of the public interest and the world community of
>>>> noncommercial, civil society groups in the world?
>>>> - What's ICANN's obligation to protect those organizations
>>>> engaged in missions of "public interest around the world?"
>>>> - How does the Board respond to allegations/concerns regarding
>>>> possible conflict of interest in transference of stewardship to
>>>> Ethos capital/
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> Sheetal//
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 at 02:36, Sylvain Baya
>>>> <governance at lists.riseup.net
>>>> <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Le jeudi 28 novembre 2019, Bill Woodcock <woody at pch.net
>>>> <mailto:woody at pch.net>> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> > they can (even without sourcing their affirmation)
>>>> then note that the
>>>> > minority of *non-commercial* [1] Internet Community
>>>> is about to be *eliminated* by their
>>>> > 'well intended' *big deal*.
>>>> >
>>>> > Why ?
>>>> > ...i guess that 1% of 10M (domain names) +=> the
>>>> non-commercial [1] world is under
>>>> > the pressure of commercial world in the Internet,
>>>> even in .ORG registrations they are
>>>> > still oppressed by 99% of 10M
>>>>
>>>> None of the above parses. Please try again, with
>>>> simpler construction. You can break it out into as
>>>> many sentences as you like, but please try to make each
>>>> one encapsulate exactly one thought. Else nobody is
>>>> going to be able to engage in a constructive
>>>> conversation with you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...what's the point please, dear Bill ?
>>>> Do you really want to convince me without argumenting ?
>>>>
>>>> Shalom,
>>>> --sb.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Bill
>>>>
>>>>
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