From joly at punkcast.com Thu Aug 1 03:16:27 2019 From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 03:16:27 -0400 Subject: [governance] WEBCAST TODAY: Kenya Internet Governance Forum #KIGF2019 Message-ID: This is underway, currently a panel on Data Governance, after which there will be a keynote. [image: livestream] Today *Wednesday 1st August 2019* the *Kenya Internet Governance Forum * (KIGF) will be held on at the Nairobi Sarova Panafric Hotel. The Kenya IGF is an annual meeting that brings together various stakeholder groups to dialogue on ICT and Internet policy. While the discussions give soft policy outcomes, Kenya Internet Governance Forum is a knowledge sharing platform that informs and inspires policy actors in both the public and private sectors. The national forum also feeds into the regional and global Internet Governance Fora through a chain of reporting and representation to the regional and global Internet Governance Fora to ensure a bottom up Internet policy development processes and a strong link between global internet policies and the national one. The event will be webcast live on the* Internet Society Livestream Channel *. *LIVESTREAM: https://livestream.com/internetsociety/kigf2019 * *PROGRAMME: https://kigf.or.ke/front-page-features/kenya-igf/kenya-igf-programme-2019/ (UTC+3)* *TWITTER: #kigf2019 http://bit.ly/kigf2019 * *Permalink* https://isoc.live/11256/ - -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro Best regards Chengetai _______________________________________________ Igfmaglist mailing list Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org To unsubscribe or manage your options please go to http://intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igfmaglist_intgovforum.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Aug 16 11:57:58 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (George Sadowsky (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 11:57:58 -0400 Subject: [governance] Jo-Anne Scott remembered Message-ID: I'm very sad to hear of Jo-Anne Scott's passing. She was a good colleague and At 1145 a good friend. I first met Jo-Anne at a meeting in Palo Alto in September 1992, hosted by Steve From and Scott Weikert. A few months before that, I had discussed with Larry Landweber at INET'92 in Kobe the possibility of setting up a training program in Internet technology and use for people from developing countries. In the 1970s and 1980s, I worked for the United Nations and was involved in many technology transfer programs in the area of computing, and I had seen to my dismay the state of technical knowledge, education, and resources in most of the countries in which I had worked. Larry suggested giving it a try. Steve Fram was one of the early collaborators, and we were meeting in his office in Palo Alto to do the initial planning. Jo-Anne attended the meeting, I had not known her before, but her enthusiasm for the project and solving logistical aspects of making it happen were contagious, so we became the initial band of co-conspirators for what became ISOC's network technologies training program for people from developing countries. Since INET'93 was planned for San Francisco in August 1993, we decided to hold the training workshop in the Silicon Valley just before the INET meeting, and then have the trainees participate also in that meeting. We believe that the latter step was important in introducing them to the people we hoped would be their future Internet colleagues and would assist them in the developments in their own countries. At the time I was working at New York University and was not situated to assist in local preparation for the workshop. Joanne lived in Palo Alto, and she believed that she could work with Stanford University to provide lodging, classroom space, and meals for the trainees and trainers during August 1993. She set about to do it with a vigor, enthusiasm, and initiative that characterized her contributions to the workshop for the next five years.. She convinced the University to provide dormitory space, meal arrangements,and suitable classroom space for the entire process, and she coordinated all of the preparatory work, including the procurement, delivery, and set up for a large number of personal computers to be used by the three training tracks. She also arranged for several social events in the evenings to foster a sense of professional community among the attendees, as well as to meet local people who lived in the Palo Alto area. I remember her setting up a fireside chat with Vint Cerf one evening, which resulted in a spirited discussion of the potential of the Internet and the importance of what it could provide for development. At the end of INET' 93, Jo-Anne and I had dinner with the INET'94 conference chair, and after reviewing the success of our workshop, we decided to do it again, a decision that was repeated for several years after that. Although it may not have been clear to the workshop participants, the amount of logistical preparation required to set up the Prague workshop in 1994 was immense. Only a few years had elapsed since the erosion of the iron curtain and the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and Czechoslovakia was in a rapid state of change. Joanne cooperated with the Czech Technical University to find space for housing in the Hotel Krystal, a tram ride away from the University buildings in which staff would be teaching the four tracks. The Hotel Krystal even had a computer lab with 24 computers, connected to the Internet via a low-bandwidth permanent connection. During the workshop, Jo-Anne learned that our Hotel Krystal had only been a hotel for a few years and before that it had been the training institute for the Czech secret police. We wondered how many microphones were still installed in various parts of the building, including the sleeping rooms. Jo-Anne also discovered the "Chicago Pizza House" (not a typo!) in an underground warren near the hotel, where we went for relief several times to escape the rich Czech food offerings. Jo-Anne continued to participate actively in and support the workshop activities in 1995 in Honolulu, in 1996 in Montréal and in 1997 in Kuala Lumpur. In 1994 she discovered the local travel agent in Palo Alto, Maria Orvell, who worked with Joanne and together they became accomplished in bringing people from all parts of the world to wherever the next INET meeting was going to be held. The process of choosing and assisting participants to attend the workshops was extensive. Applications were solicited through a number of channels, including disseminating information by participants in formal workshops. These all came to Jo-Anne and she prepared them for evaluation by a committee consisting of the teaching staff for the next workshop. After that, the complex process of distributing the financial resources that we were able to obtain, ascertaining the possibility of visas and helping participants to obtain them (including making intercessions with the host country), and making flight arrangements, and this generally had to be performed individually for each participant. The logistics process took a lot of time andinitiative, and Joanne was able to do it, always in time to meet our deadlines. Jo-Anne was a true partner. She embodied the spirit of the Internet, helping, sharing, supporting, and giving of herself so that others might learn and in turn share with a new with others in their country. She believed strongly in the Internet's ability to help people in earlier stages of development, and she gave herself fully to the task. Many workshop participants saw her correctly as fundamental to the success of their experience. I'm glad that she lived long enough to observe the benefits of her contribution to global Internet development, but very sad that she was not able to continue to do so. She will be missed. George ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ George Sadowsky Residence tel: +1.301.968.4325 8300 Burdette Road, Apt B-472 Mobile: +1.202.415.1933 Bethesda MD 20817-2831 USA Skype: sadowsky george.sadowsky at gmail.com http://www.georgesadowsky.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Aug 16 13:53:46 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (George Sadowsky (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 13:53:46 -0400 Subject: [governance] Jo-Anne Scott remembered Message-ID: <515DE3AD-3E51-424C-BAE0-A21CAE957DEF@gmail.com> I'm very sad to hear of Jo-Anne Scott's passing. She was a good colleague and a good friend. I first met Jo-Anne at a meeting in Palo Alto in September 1992, hosted by Steve From and Scott Weikert. A few months before that, I had discussed with Larry Landweber at INET'92 in Kobe the possibility of setting up a training program in Internet technology and use for people from developing countries. In the 1970s and 1980s, I worked for the United Nations and was involved in many technology transfer programs in the area of computing, and I had seen to my dismay the state of technical knowledge, education, and resources in most of the countries in which I had worked. Larry suggested giving it a try. Steve Fram was one of the early collaborators, and we were meeting in his office in Palo Alto to do the initial planning. Jo-Anne attended the meeting, I had not known her before, but her enthusiasm for the project and solving logistical aspects of making it happen were contagious, so we became the initial band of co-conspirators for what became ISOC's network technologies training program for people from developing countries. Since INET'93 was planned for San Francisco in August 1993, we decided to hold the training workshop in the Silicon Valley just before the INET meeting, and then have the trainees participate also in that meeting. We believe that the latter step was important in introducing them to the people we hoped would be their future Internet colleagues and would assist them in the developments in their own countries. At the time I was working at New York University and was not situated to assist in local preparation for the workshop. Joanne lived in Palo Alto, and she believed that she could work with Stanford University to provide lodging, classroom space, and meals for the trainees and trainers during August 1993. She set about to do it with a vigor, enthusiasm, and initiative that characterized her contributions to the workshop for the next five years.. She convinced the University to provide dormitory space, meal arrangements,and suitable classroom space for the entire process, and she coordinated all of the preparatory work, including the procurement, delivery, and set up for a large number of personal computers to be used by the three training tracks. She also arranged for several social events in the evenings to foster a sense of professional community among the attendees, as well as to meet local people who lived in the Palo Alto area. I remember her setting up a fireside chat with Vint Cerf one evening, which resulted in a spirited discussion of the potential of the Internet and the importance of what it could provide for development. At the end of INET' 93, Jo-Anne and I had dinner with the INET'94 conference chair, and after reviewing the success of our workshop, we decided to do it again, a decision that was repeated for several years after that. Although it may not have been clear to the workshop participants, the amount of logistical preparation required to set up the Prague workshop in 1994 was immense. Only a few years had elapsed since the erosion of the iron curtain and the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and Czechoslovakia was in a rapid state of change. Joanne cooperated with the Czech Technical University to find space for housing in the Hotel Krystal, a tram ride away from the University buildings in which staff would be teaching the four tracks. The Hotel Krystal even had a computer lab with 24 computers, connected to the Internet via a low-bandwidth permanent connection. During the workshop, Jo-Anne learned that our Hotel Krystal had only been a hotel for a few years and before that it had been the training institute for the Czech secret police. We wondered how many microphones were still installed in various parts of the building, including the sleeping rooms. Jo-Anne also discovered the "Chicago Pizza House" (not a typo!) in an underground warren near the hotel, where we went for relief several times to escape the rich Czech food offerings. Jo-Anne continued to participate actively in and support the workshop activities in 1995 in Honolulu, in 1996 in Montréal and in 1997 in Kuala Lumpur. In 1994 she discovered the local travel agent in Palo Alto, Maria Orvell, who worked with Joanne and together they became accomplished in bringing people from all parts of the world to wherever the next INET meeting was going to be held. The process of choosing and assisting participants to attend the workshops was extensive. Applications were solicited through a number of channels, including disseminating information by participants in formal workshops. These all came to Jo-Anne and she prepared them for evaluation by a committee consisting of the teaching staff for the next workshop. After that, the complex process of distributing the financial resources that we were able to obtain, ascertaining the possibility of visas and helping participants to obtain them (including making intercessions with the host country), and making flight arrangements, and this generally had to be performed individually for each participant. The logistics process took a lot of time andinitiative, and Joanne was able to do it, always in time to meet our deadlines. Jo-Anne was a true partner. She embodied the spirit of the Internet, helping, sharing, supporting, and giving of herself so that others might learn and in turn share with a new with others in their country. She believed strongly in the Internet's ability to help people in earlier stages of development, and she gave herself fully to the task. Many workshop participants saw her correctly as fundamental to the success of their experience. I'm glad that she lived long enough to observe the benefits of her contribution to global Internet development, but very sad that she was not able to continue to do so. She will be missed. George ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ George Sadowsky Residence tel: +1.301.968.4325 8300 Burdette Road, Apt B-472 Mobile: +1.202.415.1933 Bethesda MD 20817-2831 USA Skype: sadowsky george.sadowsky at gmail.com http://www.georgesadowsky.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Aug 16 14:03:34 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 18:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Jo-Anne Scott remembered In-Reply-To: <515DE3AD-3E51-424C-BAE0-A21CAE957DEF@gmail.com> References: <515DE3AD-3E51-424C-BAE0-A21CAE957DEF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <94899294.6389577.1565978614014@mail.yahoo.com> Dear George, Very sad news. Please accept my condolence, and if can pass to her family. Thanks and Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Friday, 16 August 2019, 22:54:08 GMT+5, George Sadowsky wrote: I'm very sad to hear of Jo-Anne Scott's passing.  She was a good colleague and a good friend. I first met Jo-Anne at a meeting in Palo Alto in September 1992, hosted by Steve From and Scott Weikert. A few months before that, I had discussed with Larry Landweber at INET'92 in Kobe the possibility of setting up a training program in Internet technology and use for people from developing countries. In the 1970s and 1980s, I worked for the United Nations and was involved in many technology transfer programs in the area of computing, and I had seen to my dismay the state of technical knowledge, education, and resources in most of the countries in which I had worked. Larry suggested giving it a try. Steve Fram was one of the early collaborators, and we were meeting in his office in Palo Alto to do the initial planning.  Jo-Anne  attended the meeting, I had not known her before, but her enthusiasm for the project and solving logistical aspects of making it happen were contagious, so we became the initial band of co-conspirators for what became ISOC's network technologies training program for people from developing countries.   Since INET'93  was planned  for San Francisco in August 1993, we decided to hold  the training workshop in the Silicon Valley just before the INET meeting, and then have the trainees participate also in that meeting. We believe that the latter step was important in introducing them to the people we hoped would be their future Internet colleagues and would assist them in the developments in their own countries. At the time I was working at New York University and was not situated to assist in local preparation for the workshop.  Joanne lived in Palo Alto, and she believed that she could work with Stanford University to provide lodging, classroom space, and meals for the trainees and trainers during August 1993. She set about to do it with a vigor, enthusiasm, and initiative that characterized her contributions to the workshop for the next five years.. She convinced the University to provide dormitory space, meal arrangements,and suitable classroom space for the entire process, and she coordinated all of the preparatory work, including the  procurement,  delivery, and set up for a large number of personal computers to be used by the three training tracks. She also arranged for  several social events in the evenings to foster a sense of professional community among the attendees, as well as to meet local people who lived in the Palo Alto area. I remember her setting up a fireside chat with Vint Cerf one evening, which resulted in a spirited discussion of the potential of the Internet and the importance of what it could provide for development. At the end of  INET' 93, Jo-Anne and I had dinner with the INET'94  conference chair, and after  reviewing the success of our workshop, we decided to do it again, a decision that was repeated  for several years after that. Although it may not have been clear to the workshop participants, the amount of logistical preparation  required to set up the Prague workshop in 1994 was immense. Only a few years had elapsed since the erosion of the iron curtain and the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and Czechoslovakia was in a rapid state of change. Joanne cooperated with the Czech Technical University to find space for housing in the Hotel Krystal, a tram ride away from the University buildings in which staff would be teaching the four tracks. The Hotel Krystal  even had a computer lab with 24  computers, connected to the Internet via a low-bandwidth permanent  connection. During the workshop, Jo-Anne learned that our Hotel Krystal had only been a hotel for a few years and before that it had been the training institute for the Czech secret police. We wondered how many microphones were still installed in various parts of the building, including the sleeping rooms.  Jo-Anne also discovered the "Chicago Pizza House"  (not a typo!)  in an underground warren near the hotel, where we went for relief several times to escape the rich Czech food offerings. Jo-Anne  continued to participate actively in and support the workshop activities in 1995 in Honolulu, in 1996 in Montréal and in 1997 in Kuala Lumpur. In 1994 she discovered the local travel agent in Palo Alto, Maria Orvell, who worked with Joanne and together they became accomplished in  bringing people from all parts of the world to wherever the next INET meeting was going to be held. The process of choosing and assisting participants to attend the workshops was extensive. Applications were solicited through a number of channels, including disseminating information by participants in formal workshops. These all came to Jo-Anne and she prepared them for evaluation by a committee consisting of the teaching staff for the next workshop. After that, the complex process of distributing the financial resources that we were able to obtain, ascertaining the possibility of visas and helping participants to obtain them (including making intercessions with the host country), and making flight arrangements, and this generally had to be performed individually for each participant. The logistics process took a lot of time andinitiative, and Joanne was able to do it, always in time to meet our deadlines. Jo-Anne was a true partner. She embodied the spirit of the Internet, helping, sharing, supporting, and giving of herself so that others might learn and  in turn share with a new with others in their country. She believed strongly in the Internet's ability to help people in earlier stages of development, and she gave herself fully to the task. Many workshop participants saw her correctly as fundamental to the success of their experience. I'm glad that she lived long enough to observe the benefits of her contribution to global Internet development, but very sad that she was not able to continue to do so.  She will be missed. George ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ George Sadowsky                                    Residence tel: +1.301.968.43258300 Burdette Road, Apt B-472                          Mobile: +1.202.415.1933 Bethesda MD  20817-2831  USA                                    Skype: sadowsky       george.sadowsky at gmail.com                http://www.georgesadowsky.org/  --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Aug 16 14:20:55 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 19:20:55 +0100 Subject: [governance] Jo-Anne Scott remembered In-Reply-To: <94899294.6389577.1565978614014@mail.yahoo.com> References: <515DE3AD-3E51-424C-BAE0-A21CAE957DEF@gmail.com> <94899294.6389577.1565978614014@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Our sincere condolences on Jo-Anne's passing and trusting she is in a better place. Condolences to her family and friends and the wider internet community who knew her. Appreciate the introduction and Eulogy on her life and how you met. Praying for peace for her family and you. Best Wishes, Sala On Fri, 16 Aug 2019, 7:05 pm Imran Ahmed Shah, wrote: > Dear George, > > Very sad news. Please accept my condolence, and if can pass to her family. > > Thanks and Best Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > On Friday, 16 August 2019, 22:54:08 GMT+5, George Sadowsky < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > > I'm very sad to hear of Jo-Anne Scott's passing. She was a good colleague > and a good friend. > > I first met Jo-Anne at a meeting in Palo Alto in September 1992, hosted by > Steve From and Scott Weikert. A few months before that, I had discussed > with Larry Landweber at INET'92 in Kobe the possibility of setting up a > training program in Internet technology and use for people from developing > countries. In the 1970s and 1980s, I worked for the United Nations and was > involved in many technology transfer programs in the area of computing, and > I had seen to my dismay the state of technical knowledge, education, and > resources in most of the countries in which I had worked. Larry suggested > giving it a try. Steve Fram was one of the early collaborators, and we were > meeting in his office in Palo Alto to do the initial planning. > > Jo-Anne attended the meeting, I had not known her before, but her > enthusiasm for the project and solving logistical aspects of making it > happen were contagious, so we became the initial band of co-conspirators > for what became ISOC's network technologies training program for people > from developing countries. Since INET'93 was planned for San Francisco > in August 1993, we decided to hold the training workshop in the Silicon > Valley just before the INET meeting, and then have the trainees participate > also in that meeting. We believe that the latter step was important in > introducing them to the people we hoped would be their future Internet > colleagues and would assist them in the developments in their own countries. > > At the time I was working at New York University and was not situated to > assist in local preparation for the workshop. Joanne lived in Palo Alto, > and she believed that she could work with Stanford University to provide > lodging, classroom space, and meals for the trainees and trainers during > August 1993. She set about to do it with a vigor, enthusiasm, and > initiative that characterized her contributions to the workshop for the > next five years.. She convinced the University to provide dormitory space, > meal arrangements,and suitable classroom space for the entire process, and > she coordinated all of the preparatory work, including the procurement, > delivery, and set up for a large number of personal computers to be used > by the three training tracks. She also arranged for several social events > in the evenings to foster a sense of professional community among the > attendees, as well as to meet local people who lived in the Palo Alto area. > I remember her setting up a fireside chat with Vint Cerf one evening, which > resulted in a spirited discussion of the potential of the Internet and the > importance of what it could provide for development. > > At the end of INET' 93, Jo-Anne and I had dinner with the INET'94 > conference chair, and after reviewing the success of our workshop, we > decided to do it again, a decision that was repeated for several years > after that. Although it may not have been clear to the workshop > participants, the amount of logistical preparation required to set up the > Prague workshop in 1994 was immense. Only a few years had elapsed since the > erosion of the iron curtain and the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and > Czechoslovakia was in a rapid state of change. Joanne cooperated with the > Czech Technical University to find space for housing in the Hotel Krystal, > a tram ride away from the University buildings in which staff would be > teaching the four tracks. The Hotel Krystal even had a computer lab with > 24 computers, connected to the Internet via a low-bandwidth permanent > connection. During the workshop, Jo-Anne learned that our Hotel Krystal > had only been a hotel for a few years and before that it had been the > training institute for the Czech secret police. We wondered how many > microphones were still installed in various parts of the building, > including the sleeping rooms. Jo-Anne also discovered the "Chicago Pizza > House" (not a typo!) in an underground warren near the hotel, where we > went for relief several times to escape the rich Czech food offerings. > > Jo-Anne continued to participate actively in and support the workshop > activities in 1995 in Honolulu, in 1996 in Montréal and in 1997 in Kuala > Lumpur. In 1994 she discovered the local travel agent in Palo Alto, Maria > Orvell, who worked with Joanne and together they became accomplished in > bringing people from all parts of the world to wherever the next INET > meeting was going to be held. > > The process of choosing and assisting participants to attend the workshops > was extensive. Applications were solicited through a number of channels, > including disseminating information by participants in formal workshops. > These all came to Jo-Anne and she prepared them for evaluation by a > committee consisting of the teaching staff for the next workshop. After > that, the complex process of distributing the financial resources that we > were able to obtain, ascertaining the possibility of visas and helping > participants to obtain them (including making intercessions with the host > country), and making flight arrangements, and this generally had to be > performed individually for each participant. The logistics process took a > lot of time andinitiative, and Joanne was able to do it, always in time to > meet our deadlines. > > Jo-Anne was a true partner. She embodied the spirit of the Internet, > helping, sharing, supporting, and giving of herself so that others might > learn and in turn share with a new with others in their country. She > believed strongly in the Internet's ability to help people in earlier > stages of development, and she gave herself fully to the task. Many > workshop participants saw her correctly as fundamental to the success of > their experience. I'm glad that she lived long enough to observe the > benefits of her contribution to global Internet development, but very sad > that she was not able to continue to do so. She will be missed. > > George > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > George Sadowsky Residence tel: > +1.301.968.4325 > 8300 Burdette Road, Apt B-472 Mobile: > +1.202.415.1933 > Bethesda MD 20817-2831 USA Skype: > sadowsky > george.sadowsky at gmail.com http://www.georgesadowsky.org/ > > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Fri Aug 16 15:27:50 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 19:27:50 +0000 Subject: [governance] Jo-Anne Scott remembered In-Reply-To: <515DE3AD-3E51-424C-BAE0-A21CAE957DEF@gmail.com> References: <515DE3AD-3E51-424C-BAE0-A21CAE957DEF@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks so much for posting that George, a beautiful tribute to Jo Anne. I was sad to receive this news a few days ago: Jo Anne was a pioneer in the global spread of the Internet, and you have outlined her role magnificently. And indeed, at that first ISOC Developing Countries workshop which you mention, it was interesting to note that the non profit global networks which Jo Anne was involved in initially had a (slightly) wider geographic spread than the mainstream academic networks which were another major stream in the early global spread of the internet. Those workshops played a major role in bringing these two streams together- and I hope your role is not forgotten either! I'll include at the bottom of this message some links for those who want to know more of the history of this time and the developments Jo Anne played such a pivotal organising and back room role in. Too often we forget those who played organisational roles. I understand that Jo Anne had been suffering from dementia for some time, even noticeable back in the 1990s. She was supported through these difficult times and as her condition advanced by her equally wonderful life partner, Scott Weikart: who released this sad news earlier this week. Ian Peter Some links https://www.apc.org/en/about/history https://www.nethistory.info/History%20of%20the%20Internet/global.html ------ Original Message ------ From: "George Sadowsky" To: "governance" Sent: 17/08/2019 3:53:46 AM Subject: [governance] Jo-Anne Scott remembered >I'm very sad to hear of Jo-Anne Scott's passing. She was a good >colleague and a good friend. > >I first met Jo-Anne at a meeting in Palo Alto in September 1992, hosted >by Steve From and Scott Weikert. A few months before that, I had >discussed with Larry Landweber at INET'92 in Kobe the possibility of >setting up a training program in Internet technology and use for people >from developing countries. In the 1970s and 1980s, I worked for the >United Nations and was involved in many technology transfer programs in >the area of computing, and I had seen to my dismay the state of >technical knowledge, education, and resources in most of the countries >in which I had worked. Larry suggested giving it a try. Steve Fram was >one of the early collaborators, and we were meeting in his office in >Palo Alto to do the initial planning. > >Jo-Anne attended the meeting, I had not known her before, but her >enthusiasm for the project and solving logistical aspects of making it >happen were contagious, so we became the initial band of >co-conspirators for what became ISOC's network technologies training >program for people from developing countries. Since INET'93 was >planned for San Francisco in August 1993, we decided to hold the >training workshop in the Silicon Valley just before the INET meeting, >and then have the trainees participate also in that meeting. We believe >that the latter step was important in introducing them to the people we >hoped would be their future Internet colleagues and would assist them >in the developments in their own countries. > >At the time I was working at New York University and was not situated >to assist in local preparation for the workshop. Joanne lived in Palo >Alto, and she believed that she could work with Stanford University to >provide lodging, classroom space, and meals for the trainees and >trainers during August 1993. She set about to do it with a vigor, >enthusiasm, and initiative that characterized her contributions to the >workshop for the next five years.. She convinced the University to >provide dormitory space, meal arrangements,and suitable classroom space >for the entire process, and she coordinated all of the preparatory >work, including the procurement, delivery, and set up for a large >number of personal computers to be used by the three training tracks. >She also arranged for several social events in the evenings to foster >a sense of professional community among the attendees, as well as to >meet local people who lived in the Palo Alto area. I remember her >setting up a fireside chat with Vint Cerf one evening, which resulted >in a spirited discussion of the potential of the Internet and the >importance of what it could provide for development. > >At the end of INET' 93, Jo-Anne and I had dinner with the INET'94 >conference chair, and after reviewing the success of our workshop, we >decided to do it again, a decision that was repeated for several years >after that. Although it may not have been clear to the workshop >participants, the amount of logistical preparation required to set up >the Prague workshop in 1994 was immense. Only a few years had elapsed >since the erosion of the iron curtain and the dissolution of the Soviet >Union, and Czechoslovakia was in a rapid state of change. Joanne >cooperated with the Czech Technical University to find space for >housing in the Hotel Krystal, a tram ride away from the University >buildings in which staff would be teaching the four tracks. The Hotel >Krystal even had a computer lab with 24 computers, connected to the >Internet via a low-bandwidth permanent connection. During the >workshop, Jo-Anne learned that our Hotel Krystal had only been a hotel >for a few years and before that it had been the training institute for >the Czech secret police. We wondered how many microphones were still >installed in various parts of the building, including the sleeping >rooms. Jo-Anne also discovered the "Chicago Pizza House" (not a >typo!) in an underground warren near the hotel, where we went for >relief several times to escape the rich Czech food offerings. > >Jo-Anne continued to participate actively in and support the workshop >activities in 1995 in Honolulu, in 1996 in Montréal and in 1997 in >Kuala Lumpur. In 1994 she discovered the local travel agent in Palo >Alto, Maria Orvell, who worked with Joanne and together they became >accomplished in bringing people from all parts of the world to >wherever the next INET meeting was going to be held. > >The process of choosing and assisting participants to attend the >workshops was extensive. Applications were solicited through a number >of channels, including disseminating information by participants in >formal workshops. These all came to Jo-Anne and she prepared them for >evaluation by a committee consisting of the teaching staff for the next >workshop. After that, the complex process of distributing the financial >resources that we were able to obtain, ascertaining the possibility of >visas and helping participants to obtain them (including making >intercessions with the host country), and making flight arrangements, >and this generally had to be performed individually for each >participant. The logistics process took a lot of time andinitiative, >and Joanne was able to do it, always in time to meet our deadlines. > >Jo-Anne was a true partner. She embodied the spirit of the Internet, >helping, sharing, supporting, and giving of herself so that others >might learn and in turn share with a new with others in their country. >She believed strongly in the Internet's ability to help people in >earlier stages of development, and she gave herself fully to the task. >Many workshop participants saw her correctly as fundamental to the >success of their experience. I'm glad that she lived long enough to >observe the benefits of her contribution to global Internet >development, but very sad that she was not able to continue to do so. >She will be missed. > >George > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >George Sadowsky Residence tel: >+1.301.968.4325 >8300 Burdette Road, Apt B-472 Mobile: >+1.202.415.1933 >Bethesda MD 20817-2831 USA Skype: >sadowsky >george.sadowsky at gmail.com http://www.georgesadowsky.org/ > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Aug 16 15:01:15 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Remmy Nweke (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 20:01:15 +0100 Subject: [governance] Jo-Anne Scott remembered In-Reply-To: References: <515DE3AD-3E51-424C-BAE0-A21CAE957DEF@gmail.com> <94899294.6389577.1565978614014@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: May Jo-Anne rest in peace. Amen On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 7:29 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > Our sincere condolences on Jo-Anne's passing and trusting she is in a > better place. Condolences to her family and friends and the wider internet > community who knew her. Appreciate the introduction and Eulogy on her life > and how you met. > > Praying for peace for her family and you. > > Best Wishes, > Sala > > On Fri, 16 Aug 2019, 7:05 pm Imran Ahmed Shah, < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > >> Dear George, >> >> Very sad news. Please accept my condolence, and if can pass to her family. >> >> Thanks and Best Regards >> >> Imran Ahmed Shah >> >> On Friday, 16 August 2019, 22:54:08 GMT+5, George Sadowsky < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >> >> I'm very sad to hear of Jo-Anne Scott's passing. She was a good >> colleague and a good friend. >> >> I first met Jo-Anne at a meeting in Palo Alto in September 1992, hosted >> by Steve From and Scott Weikert. A few months before that, I had discussed >> with Larry Landweber at INET'92 in Kobe the possibility of setting up a >> training program in Internet technology and use for people from developing >> countries. In the 1970s and 1980s, I worked for the United Nations and was >> involved in many technology transfer programs in the area of computing, and >> I had seen to my dismay the state of technical knowledge, education, and >> resources in most of the countries in which I had worked. Larry suggested >> giving it a try. Steve Fram was one of the early collaborators, and we were >> meeting in his office in Palo Alto to do the initial planning. >> >> Jo-Anne attended the meeting, I had not known her before, but her >> enthusiasm for the project and solving logistical aspects of making it >> happen were contagious, so we became the initial band of co-conspirators >> for what became ISOC's network technologies training program for people >> from developing countries. Since INET'93 was planned for San Francisco >> in August 1993, we decided to hold the training workshop in the Silicon >> Valley just before the INET meeting, and then have the trainees participate >> also in that meeting. We believe that the latter step was important in >> introducing them to the people we hoped would be their future Internet >> colleagues and would assist them in the developments in their own countries. >> >> At the time I was working at New York University and was not situated to >> assist in local preparation for the workshop. Joanne lived in Palo Alto, >> and she believed that she could work with Stanford University to provide >> lodging, classroom space, and meals for the trainees and trainers during >> August 1993. She set about to do it with a vigor, enthusiasm, and >> initiative that characterized her contributions to the workshop for the >> next five years.. She convinced the University to provide dormitory space, >> meal arrangements,and suitable classroom space for the entire process, and >> she coordinated all of the preparatory work, including the procurement, >> delivery, and set up for a large number of personal computers to be used >> by the three training tracks. She also arranged for several social events >> in the evenings to foster a sense of professional community among the >> attendees, as well as to meet local people who lived in the Palo Alto area. >> I remember her setting up a fireside chat with Vint Cerf one evening, which >> resulted in a spirited discussion of the potential of the Internet and the >> importance of what it could provide for development. >> >> At the end of INET' 93, Jo-Anne and I had dinner with the INET'94 >> conference chair, and after reviewing the success of our workshop, we >> decided to do it again, a decision that was repeated for several years >> after that. Although it may not have been clear to the workshop >> participants, the amount of logistical preparation required to set up the >> Prague workshop in 1994 was immense. Only a few years had elapsed since the >> erosion of the iron curtain and the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and >> Czechoslovakia was in a rapid state of change. Joanne cooperated with the >> Czech Technical University to find space for housing in the Hotel Krystal, >> a tram ride away from the University buildings in which staff would be >> teaching the four tracks. The Hotel Krystal even had a computer lab with >> 24 computers, connected to the Internet via a low-bandwidth permanent >> connection. During the workshop, Jo-Anne learned that our Hotel Krystal >> had only been a hotel for a few years and before that it had been the >> training institute for the Czech secret police. We wondered how many >> microphones were still installed in various parts of the building, >> including the sleeping rooms. Jo-Anne also discovered the "Chicago Pizza >> House" (not a typo!) in an underground warren near the hotel, where we >> went for relief several times to escape the rich Czech food offerings. >> >> Jo-Anne continued to participate actively in and support the workshop >> activities in 1995 in Honolulu, in 1996 in Montréal and in 1997 in Kuala >> Lumpur. In 1994 she discovered the local travel agent in Palo Alto, Maria >> Orvell, who worked with Joanne and together they became accomplished in >> bringing people from all parts of the world to wherever the next INET >> meeting was going to be held. >> >> The process of choosing and assisting participants to attend the >> workshops was extensive. Applications were solicited through a number of >> channels, including disseminating information by participants in formal >> workshops. These all came to Jo-Anne and she prepared them for evaluation >> by a committee consisting of the teaching staff for the next workshop. >> After that, the complex process of distributing the financial resources >> that we were able to obtain, ascertaining the possibility of visas and >> helping participants to obtain them (including making intercessions with >> the host country), and making flight arrangements, and this generally had >> to be performed individually for each participant. The logistics process >> took a lot of time andinitiative, and Joanne was able to do it, always in >> time to meet our deadlines. >> >> Jo-Anne was a true partner. She embodied the spirit of the Internet, >> helping, sharing, supporting, and giving of herself so that others might >> learn and in turn share with a new with others in their country. She >> believed strongly in the Internet's ability to help people in earlier >> stages of development, and she gave herself fully to the task. Many >> workshop participants saw her correctly as fundamental to the success of >> their experience. I'm glad that she lived long enough to observe the >> benefits of her contribution to global Internet development, but very sad >> that she was not able to continue to do so. She will be missed. >> >> George >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> George Sadowsky Residence tel: >> +1.301.968.4325 >> 8300 Burdette Road, Apt B-472 Mobile: >> +1.202.415.1933 >> Bethesda MD 20817-2831 USA Skype: >> sadowsky >> george.sadowsky at gmail.com http://www.georgesadowsky.org/ >> >> >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Appreciate the introduction and Eulogy on her life >> and how you met. >> >> Praying for peace for her family and you. >> >> Best Wishes, >> Sala >> >> On Fri, 16 Aug 2019, 7:05 pm Imran Ahmed Shah, < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >>> Dear George, >>> >>> Very sad news. Please accept my condolence, and if can pass to her >>> family. >>> >>> Thanks and Best Regards >>> >>> Imran Ahmed Shah >>> >>> On Friday, 16 August 2019, 22:54:08 GMT+5, George Sadowsky < >>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I'm very sad to hear of Jo-Anne Scott's passing. She was a good >>> colleague and a good friend. >>> >>> I first met Jo-Anne at a meeting in Palo Alto in September 1992, hosted >>> by Steve From and Scott Weikert. A few months before that, I had discussed >>> with Larry Landweber at INET'92 in Kobe the possibility of setting up a >>> training program in Internet technology and use for people from developing >>> countries. In the 1970s and 1980s, I worked for the United Nations and was >>> involved in many technology transfer programs in the area of computing, and >>> I had seen to my dismay the state of technical knowledge, education, and >>> resources in most of the countries in which I had worked. Larry suggested >>> giving it a try. Steve Fram was one of the early collaborators, and we were >>> meeting in his office in Palo Alto to do the initial planning. >>> >>> Jo-Anne attended the meeting, I had not known her before, but her >>> enthusiasm for the project and solving logistical aspects of making it >>> happen were contagious, so we became the initial band of co-conspirators >>> for what became ISOC's network technologies training program for people >>> from developing countries. Since INET'93 was planned for San Francisco >>> in August 1993, we decided to hold the training workshop in the Silicon >>> Valley just before the INET meeting, and then have the trainees participate >>> also in that meeting. We believe that the latter step was important in >>> introducing them to the people we hoped would be their future Internet >>> colleagues and would assist them in the developments in their own countries. >>> >>> At the time I was working at New York University and was not situated to >>> assist in local preparation for the workshop. Joanne lived in Palo Alto, >>> and she believed that she could work with Stanford University to provide >>> lodging, classroom space, and meals for the trainees and trainers during >>> August 1993. She set about to do it with a vigor, enthusiasm, and >>> initiative that characterized her contributions to the workshop for the >>> next five years.. She convinced the University to provide dormitory space, >>> meal arrangements,and suitable classroom space for the entire process, and >>> she coordinated all of the preparatory work, including the procurement, >>> delivery, and set up for a large number of personal computers to be used >>> by the three training tracks. She also arranged for several social events >>> in the evenings to foster a sense of professional community among the >>> attendees, as well as to meet local people who lived in the Palo Alto area. >>> I remember her setting up a fireside chat with Vint Cerf one evening, which >>> resulted in a spirited discussion of the potential of the Internet and the >>> importance of what it could provide for development. >>> >>> At the end of INET' 93, Jo-Anne and I had dinner with the INET'94 >>> conference chair, and after reviewing the success of our workshop, we >>> decided to do it again, a decision that was repeated for several years >>> after that. Although it may not have been clear to the workshop >>> participants, the amount of logistical preparation required to set up the >>> Prague workshop in 1994 was immense. Only a few years had elapsed since the >>> erosion of the iron curtain and the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and >>> Czechoslovakia was in a rapid state of change. Joanne cooperated with the >>> Czech Technical University to find space for housing in the Hotel Krystal, >>> a tram ride away from the University buildings in which staff would be >>> teaching the four tracks. The Hotel Krystal even had a computer lab with >>> 24 computers, connected to the Internet via a low-bandwidth permanent >>> connection. During the workshop, Jo-Anne learned that our Hotel Krystal >>> had only been a hotel for a few years and before that it had been the >>> training institute for the Czech secret police. We wondered how many >>> microphones were still installed in various parts of the building, >>> including the sleeping rooms. Jo-Anne also discovered the "Chicago Pizza >>> House" (not a typo!) in an underground warren near the hotel, where we >>> went for relief several times to escape the rich Czech food offerings. >>> >>> Jo-Anne continued to participate actively in and support the workshop >>> activities in 1995 in Honolulu, in 1996 in Montréal and in 1997 in Kuala >>> Lumpur. In 1994 she discovered the local travel agent in Palo Alto, Maria >>> Orvell, who worked with Joanne and together they became accomplished in >>> bringing people from all parts of the world to wherever the next INET >>> meeting was going to be held. >>> >>> The process of choosing and assisting participants to attend the >>> workshops was extensive. Applications were solicited through a number of >>> channels, including disseminating information by participants in formal >>> workshops. These all came to Jo-Anne and she prepared them for evaluation >>> by a committee consisting of the teaching staff for the next workshop. >>> After that, the complex process of distributing the financial resources >>> that we were able to obtain, ascertaining the possibility of visas and >>> helping participants to obtain them (including making intercessions with >>> the host country), and making flight arrangements, and this generally had >>> to be performed individually for each participant. The logistics process >>> took a lot of time andinitiative, and Joanne was able to do it, always in >>> time to meet our deadlines. >>> >>> Jo-Anne was a true partner. She embodied the spirit of the Internet, >>> helping, sharing, supporting, and giving of herself so that others might >>> learn and in turn share with a new with others in their country. She >>> believed strongly in the Internet's ability to help people in earlier >>> stages of development, and she gave herself fully to the task. Many >>> workshop participants saw her correctly as fundamental to the success of >>> their experience. I'm glad that she lived long enough to observe the >>> benefits of her contribution to global Internet development, but very sad >>> that she was not able to continue to do so. 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URL: From pwilson at apnic.net Fri Aug 16 19:38:23 2019 From: pwilson at apnic.net (Paul Wilson) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 23:38:23 +0000 Subject: [governance] Jo-Anne Scott remembered In-Reply-To: <515DE3AD-3E51-424C-BAE0-A21CAE957DEF@gmail.com> References: <515DE3AD-3E51-424C-BAE0-A21CAE957DEF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <942DF809-D5D0-432E-BF7B-72A4A17D1A59@apnic.net> Thanks for this George. Jo-Anne’s partner, Scott Weikart, write this beautiful, more personal account, of life and her final days. He’s happy to have it shared in her memory, especially for those who struggle in any way with Alzheimer’s. I really hope to see Jo-Anne recognised in ISOC’s Hall of Fame; she was a pioneer. Paul. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: (mostly) sad news Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 16:19:11 -0700 From: Scott Weikart I have (mostly) sad news: Jo-Anne Scott died unexpectedly (on Sunday, July 14, 2019), at home in her own bed, clutching her green stuffed hippo to her neck for comfort. I say "mostly sad", because it was a good time to die: She declined significantly over the previous month, from her severe Alzheimer's disease. She had started sleeping all day long, and then lost the use of her legs (on the few days she didn't sleep all day long, I used her Hoyer lift (personal crane) to put her in her wheelchair, so I could take her out to sit on the front porch; but I had to wrap her gait belt around her armpits and the back of the chair, to prevent her head from ending up in her knees). Along with the physical decline, she declined mentally: Her interaction with the people around her became much more limited. In retrospect (if I'd known she was on the verge of dying), I would have spent more time sitting with her and consoling/stroking her the last couple of her days: but I take solace in all I was able to do 'for' and 'with' her over the last decade (and her PCP's comment that I was a better caregiver than the professionals; and her neurologist's comment that "You set the bar, in my experience, for loving, flexible, creative caregiving; I am grateful to you for those years of hard, patient work: You did really well by her"). [I was able to get her body to Stanford in time for her brain to be preserved for the research study in which she participated: She really appreciated being a research guinea pig, to help prevent future generations from experiencing her disease.] Jo-Anne's best friend Laurel (50 years!) had driven down 3 weeks earlier, and two friends dropped by; I had to wake Jo-Anne for the visit, but she was relatively alert, and enjoyed Laurel's Samoyed puppy (see attached picture; the second picture is Jo-Anne gazing lovingly at Laurel). Laurel and I have shared the sadness of Jo-Anne's death, and also good remembrances; Laurel offered the perspective that we were a good match for each other, and Jo-Anne was lucky to have me over the last decade and last year (in the days after, friends and siblings have said the same, a comfort). One night, Laurel and I spent a couple of hours emailing back and forth with the insights/changes we'd gained from our closeness with Jo-Anne (which was not conducive to a good night's sleep :-) ... when I saw her the next day, I couldn't get enough physical contact with her. Jo-Anne was diagnosed with very-mild Alzheimer's disease 10 years earlier (after 3 years of substantial short-term memory loss; in fact, her cognitive impairment literally started around 1990: The disease starts early, and grows slowly). Our journey together with her Alzheimer's disease was hard, but our life together was good, and our love deepened. Up until 3 years ago, Jo-Anne could still spend her day bicycling all over town by herself (which she loved, and always wanted to do), festooned with tracking devices (occasionally, I'd see she was headed away from home late in the day, and I'd hop on my bike and chase after her). I attached a picture of us that a friend took, when we'd just biked to a local event. We often took our bikes on Caltrain to San Francisco, biked up to Golden Gate Park, and spent the day in the science museum (Jo-Anne loved nature, and turned me into a nature lover). Then Jo-Anne started spending 3 days a week at (wonderful) Rosener House, doing all kinds of activities with fellow folks with dementia (in her first year there, the staff would send new folks to hang out with her, because she was engaging). When she couldn't reliably follow me on her bike, we got a tandem bike, and biked back and forth to Rosener House together (with a long bike ride home at the end of the day: Frequent, extended aerobic exercise is the best thing you can do for your brain). In early 2018, Jo-Anne started sleeping much longer, so she could no longer attend Rosener House; soon after, she started having trouble walking. Then Jo-Anne acquired a fearless companion (she was not bothered by my warning that Jo-Anne once stepped on my foot and broke a toe) from Mon Ami (whose new techie is Steve Fram, ex-Technical Director at IGC!), who got Jo-Anne back into walking, and setup Jo-Anne's smartphone so she could listen to 70's rock-and-roll and soul music. Jo-Anne's sleep got even more erratic, so planning Mon Ami visits became too hard; but a wonderful neighbor started taking Jo-Anne on long walks (she made herself available with just an hours notice, on the days Jo-Anne awoke in time); by late fall of 2018, Jo-Anne could walk 10 blocks (mostly on her own) with her neighbor friend (who Jo-Anne now recognized, and appreciated). By 2019, Jo-Anne rarely spoke phrases, but still understood quite well, and could answer (repeated) questions. We listened to podcasts as we ate, and she'd laugh at jokes, and exclaim about global warming news (guiding my selection of the podcasts we'd listen to). Three months before her death, I went in to the bedroom to see if she was awake, and she gave me a big smile, and said "I've been waiting for you!": She was still laughing at my jokes and foibles, full of smiles, always wanted to have her smartphone strapped to her arm so she could listen to music (sometimes tapping her feet). In her last few months, it took 3 (wonderful) neighbors to take her for a walk; but she always liked it, liked seeing the flowers and animals, wanted to continue even as she wore out her brain trying to consciously control her leg muscles. Even in her last month, she still recognized and loved/appreciated old friends, enjoying hanging out with people, laughed and smiled. Her last decade could have been so much worse, and was wonderful in many ways. It was an honor and privilege to take care of her, and I've grown so much in the process. Jo-Anne was courageous. As a teenager, she and her best friend Laurel setup camp near a cliff, and found themselves cornered by adult bears with cubs: They banged away on their metal cups with their spoons, until the bears trundled away. Another time, Jo-Anne and I were walking a trail in Big Sur: Jo-Anne jumped a couple of feet into the air to get away from a rattlesnake (she was very athletic), but was otherwise unperturbed. Another time, we parked in a back alley of the old Whiskey Gulch in East Palo Alto (where my first non-profit got started), so I could finish my work before driving to Yosemite; Jo-Anne heard a noise, went outside to check our van, found that a suitcase had been stolen, then chased after the thief (in the dark): She found him rummaging through the suitcase's contents, yelled at him to chase him away, then fetched the suitcase and contents and brought them back. This courageousness helped our journey with Alzheimer's: Jo-Anne was always willing to do most anything for researchers; or to try most anything to fight the disease, to try to slow-down or overcome the ravages. In decades past, people who met Jo-Anne usually noticed that she was nice and friendly. If they saw more of her, they might realize she was thoughtful/perceptive about people (she was active in a group of people who did peer-counseling; one of our friends told me she was his best counselor). And she was very helpful. When her ex-husband's brother was going through hard times, Jo-Anne let him live in her house for many months. Jo-Anne regularly visited a schizophrenic friend, for years (ignoring his verbal "advances"); she even went to court to prevent California from making him a "ward of the state". People who spent time talking to Jo-Anne would also realize how smart she was. She was an amazing person. I called her a "Renaissance woman": She'd done so many things, and could teach herself to do most anything ... Jo-Anne realized she had picked up racism towards Latinos from her mother: So she took Spanish classes, then lived in Central America for half a year; she saw Nicaraguans fighting against an oppressive dictator, and came home with a strong appreciation for how hard peasants had to work to support their families. During the '80's, she worked hard to prevent the Reagan and Bush administrations from intervening militarily against Central Americans' struggle for popular control of their own countries. She was coordinator for a college group (that did lobbying, and organized speaking events and demonstrations), helped run a political radio program, led a prominent human rights lawyer on a national speaking tour, co-edited a scholarly book, lobbied at the Democratic National Convention in San Francisco, lobbied her Congressional representative (the delegation made his hands sweat :-). One of the culminations of this work was her creation of CARNet (a Spanish "pun"; it stands for Central America Resource Network), as a subset of PeaceNet (that I helped create). She interned with various DC pressure groups to teach them how to put their information into the bulletin boards she created for each Central American country, and helped them build communication channels with grassroots organizations (so the DC groups could align legislative lobbying with local activism; I now consult for a human rights organization, and its "forefather" used to regularly download information from CARNet). She spent months in Nicaragua (while the US was waging the Contra war against the country), helping create Nicarao (a system like PeaceNet). She traveled up and down Central America teaching NGOs (in Spanish) how to use Nicarao's email and bulletins boards (over 2400 baud modems ?!); when she arrived back in Managua, they took one look at her and said "you've got hepatitis, you have to go home". In the '90's (just as her cognition was starting to decline from the disease), she held jobs where she taught herself how to write spreadsheet macros and build database applications. One weekend I flew off on a business trip, and when I came home she'd replaced the furnace (including hooking-up the gas line, and replacing/insulating the ducting) - I don't know how she did it! Then she spent 5 years doing all the logistics to bring techies from all the most underdeveloped countries (using all 4 languages she spoke) to a central location (the place where ISoc, the Internet Society, would have their annual meeting), so volunteers could teach the techies how to connect their countries to the Internet; we have lots of wonderful knickknacks that the mostly-young techies gave to her, she was sort-of their den mother. By the end of that 5 year period, she told a friend that the work got harder each year: She was already aware that her cognition was declining, but she thought it was hormonal issues from menopause (she had serious hot flashes). As she had more and more difficulty doing the myriad of required tasks, she didn't get much support from the administrative folks who ran the conferences (nor from me, one of my big regrets in life) ... but one lefty techie believed in her, and hired her to run a workshop in South Africa (where she mentored some local woman, so they could run future workshops themselves - they probably helped Jo-Anne with tasks that had become harder for her). And when the ISoc conference came back to SF a few years later, all the techies were glad to see her; so she hired a full-size bus plus driver, and narrated a tour of San Francisco for them (I was her guinea pig on a dry run, and she did a great job!). In the '00's, Jo-Anne did computer consulting for a friend who ran a travel agency, including building a website that would collect contact info (she taught herself to do all this). And she became a serious volunteer at the local community cable TV studio: She was the 3rd most active volunteer for a number of years in a row, winning awards at their annual dinner. She did computer graphics, sound, camera, directing, the works. As her memory got worse: First she stopped directing; then she stopped doing computer graphics; and finally, she had to stop doing camera, because she'd immediately forget cues from the director (this was around the time she was diagnosed with Mild Cognitive Impairment, mid-2006). I recently stumbled upon the best illustration of Jo-Anne as Renaissance woman. As I was gleaning distinctive documents from her office, I came across lots of leaflets from the plays put on by her community-theater group in the '70's; as I scanned the leaflets, I realized that Jo-Anne filled the roles of actor, singer, dancer, player of piano and Renaissance stringed instruments, director, producer, set designer, bookkeeper, etc. You wanted Jo-Anne in your group! I'm co-chair and citizen scientist for the Community Advisory Board of Stanford 's Alzheimer's Disease Research Center. They recently filmed me as caregiver: I described our life together, how I developed skills and adaptations as Jo-Anne's dementia got worse, and then I walked around the house showing accommodations I made and describing the techniques I used - they hope to use this material to produce a film for training med students. We tried to arrange filming me taking care of Jo-Anne, but we weren't able to schedule it in time. [I wondered whether it was appropriate to film me taking care of Jo-Anne's personal care, which involves nudity, for which I couldn't get functional assent from her ... until I remembered that Jo-Anne spent many nights dancing nude in one of her community-theater plays :-]. My heart is wounded, and my identities are scrambled: It's going to take me a while to rebuild myself, with a lot more crying as part of the process (I got a headache from crying the first day, so I've started using the electrolyte sticks I used for Jo-Anne the last few weeks, as her meals became more limited). But I'm otherwise in pretty good shape, dealing with the myriad things that have to be dealt with, getting calls and visits from loving friends and family, and using computer-programming and movie-watching to take a break from my emotional life (getting to sleep the night she died was hard: As I would fall asleep a couple of times, I'd suddenly wake up with the realization that my identities were shredded, it wasn't clear who I was anymore, there was a Jo-Anne sized hole in my being). I hope you're all doing better than me :-> But I'm doing pretty well, all things considered. [I feel lucky that Jo-Anne taught me how to deal with my emotional being; many of the best parts of me are from her, she's a part of me.] I'm getting so many loving/supportive/affirming visits/hugs, calls, and emails (which typically lead to little bits of healthy crying ... a sort of episodic mini-therapy). My two siblings each spent a week helping me declutter and downsize the house a year ago. That will make it much easier for me to turn the house from "our house" into "my house", the first part of building my new life. -scott p.s. Feel free to share this email with anyone who remembers Jo-Anne, or who is struggling with dementia in their family. On 17 Aug 2019, at 3:53, George Sadowsky wrote: I'm very sad to hear of Jo-Anne Scott's passing. She was a good colleague and a good friend. I first met Jo-Anne at a meeting in Palo Alto in September 1992, hosted by Steve From and Scott Weikert. A few months before that, I had discussed with Larry Landweber at INET'92 in Kobe the possibility of setting up a training program in Internet technology and use for people from developing countries. In the 1970s and 1980s, I worked for the United Nations and was involved in many technology transfer programs in the area of computing, and I had seen to my dismay the state of technical knowledge, education, and resources in most of the countries in which I had worked. Larry suggested giving it a try. Steve Fram was one of the early collaborators, and we were meeting in his office in Palo Alto to do the initial planning. Jo-Anne attended the meeting, I had not known her before, but her enthusiasm for the project and solving logistical aspects of making it happen were contagious, so we became the initial band of co-conspirators for what became ISOC's network technologies training program for people from developing countries. Since INET'93 was planned for San Francisco in August 1993, we decided to hold the training workshop in the Silicon Valley just before the INET meeting, and then have the trainees participate also in that meeting. We believe that the latter step was important in introducing them to the people we hoped would be their future Internet colleagues and would assist them in the developments in their own countries. At the time I was working at New York University and was not situated to assist in local preparation for the workshop. Joanne lived in Palo Alto, and she believed that she could work with Stanford University to provide lodging, classroom space, and meals for the trainees and trainers during August 1993. She set about to do it with a vigor, enthusiasm, and initiative that characterized her contributions to the workshop for the next five years.. She convinced the University to provide dormitory space, meal arrangements,and suitable classroom space for the entire process, and she coordinated all of the preparatory work, including the procurement, delivery, and set up for a large number of personal computers to be used by the three training tracks. She also arranged for several social events in the evenings to foster a sense of professional community among the attendees, as well as to meet local people who lived in the Palo Alto area. I remember her setting up a fireside chat with Vint Cerf one evening, which resulted in a spirited discussion of the potential of the Internet and the importance of what it could provide for development. At the end of INET' 93, Jo-Anne and I had dinner with the INET'94 conference chair, and after reviewing the success of our workshop, we decided to do it again, a decision that was repeated for several years after that. Although it may not have been clear to the workshop participants, the amount of logistical preparation required to set up the Prague workshop in 1994 was immense. Only a few years had elapsed since the erosion of the iron curtain and the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and Czechoslovakia was in a rapid state of change. Joanne cooperated with the Czech Technical University to find space for housing in the Hotel Krystal, a tram ride away from the University buildings in which staff would be teaching the four tracks. The Hotel Krystal even had a computer lab with 24 computers, connected to the Internet via a low-bandwidth permanent connection. During the workshop, Jo-Anne learned that our Hotel Krystal had only been a hotel for a few years and before that it had been the training institute for the Czech secret police. We wondered how many microphones were still installed in various parts of the building, including the sleeping rooms. Jo-Anne also discovered the "Chicago Pizza House" (not a typo!) in an underground warren near the hotel, where we went for relief several times to escape the rich Czech food offerings. Jo-Anne continued to participate actively in and support the workshop activities in 1995 in Honolulu, in 1996 in Montréal and in 1997 in Kuala Lumpur. In 1994 she discovered the local travel agent in Palo Alto, Maria Orvell, who worked with Joanne and together they became accomplished in bringing people from all parts of the world to wherever the next INET meeting was going to be held. The process of choosing and assisting participants to attend the workshops was extensive. Applications were solicited through a number of channels, including disseminating information by participants in formal workshops. These all came to Jo-Anne and she prepared them for evaluation by a committee consisting of the teaching staff for the next workshop. After that, the complex process of distributing the financial resources that we were able to obtain, ascertaining the possibility of visas and helping participants to obtain them (including making intercessions with the host country), and making flight arrangements, and this generally had to be performed individually for each participant. The logistics process took a lot of time andinitiative, and Joanne was able to do it, always in time to meet our deadlines. Jo-Anne was a true partner. She embodied the spirit of the Internet, helping, sharing, supporting, and giving of herself so that others might learn and in turn share with a new with others in their country. She believed strongly in the Internet's ability to help people in earlier stages of development, and she gave herself fully to the task. Many workshop participants saw her correctly as fundamental to the success of their experience. I'm glad that she lived long enough to observe the benefits of her contribution to global Internet development, but very sad that she was not able to continue to do so. She will be missed. George ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ George Sadowsky Residence tel: +1.301.968.4325 8300 Burdette Road, Apt B-472 Mobile: +1.202.415.1933 Bethesda MD 20817-2831 USA Skype: sadowsky george.sadowsky at gmail.com http://www.georgesadowsky.org/ --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Aug 16 23:35:12 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 15:35:12 +1200 Subject: [governance] Jo-Anne Scott remembered In-Reply-To: <942DF809-D5D0-432E-BF7B-72A4A17D1A59@apnic.net> References: <515DE3AD-3E51-424C-BAE0-A21CAE957DEF@gmail.com> <942DF809-D5D0-432E-BF7B-72A4A17D1A59@apnic.net> Message-ID: Thank you Paul for sharing this with all of us. Scott wrote such a poignant chestful of memories and I loved reading the diverse things including her heart for people and development and the many voluntary contributions she made to make the world a better place. I especially love the bit how she recognised her own subtle biases which was passed down and strategically fought against that by signing up for language classes and moving to Central America and the bridges she built to enable the locals to be empowered and build their internet. Hope she makes it to the Internet Hall of Fame. I for one, would love for girls growing up to read about how beautifully she lived. On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 11:38 AM Paul Wilson wrote: > Thanks for this George. > > Jo-Anne’s partner, Scott Weikart, write this beautiful, more personal > account, of life and her final days. He’s happy to have it shared in her > memory, especially for those who struggle in any way with Alzheimer’s. > > I really hope to see Jo-Anne recognised in ISOC’s Hall of Fame; she was a > pioneer. > > Paul. > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > Subject: (mostly) sad news > Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 16:19:11 -0700 > From: Scott Weikart > > I have (mostly) sad news: Jo-Anne Scott died unexpectedly (on Sunday, > July 14, 2019), at home in her own bed, clutching her green stuffed > hippo to her neck for comfort. I say "mostly sad", because it was a > good time to die: She declined significantly over the previous month, > from her severe Alzheimer's disease. She had started sleeping all day > long, and then lost the use of her legs (on the few days she didn't > sleep all day long, I used her Hoyer lift (personal crane) to put her in > her wheelchair, so I could take her out to sit on the front porch; but I > had to wrap her gait belt around her armpits and the back of the chair, > to prevent her head from ending up in her knees). Along with the > physical decline, she declined mentally: Her interaction with the people > around her became much more limited. > > In retrospect (if I'd known she was on the verge of dying), I would have > spent more time sitting with her and consoling/stroking her the last > couple of her days: but I take solace in all I was able to do 'for' and > 'with' her over the last decade (and her PCP's comment that I was a > better caregiver than the professionals; and her neurologist's comment > that "You set the bar, in my experience, for loving, flexible, creative > caregiving; I am grateful to you for those years of hard, patient work: > You did really well by her"). [I was able to get her body to Stanford > in time for her brain to be preserved for the research study in which > she participated: She really appreciated being a research guinea pig, to > help prevent future generations from experiencing her disease.] > > Jo-Anne's best friend Laurel (50 years!) had driven down 3 weeks > earlier, and two friends dropped by; I had to wake Jo-Anne for the > visit, but she was relatively alert, and enjoyed Laurel's Samoyed puppy > (see attached picture; the second picture is Jo-Anne gazing lovingly at > Laurel). Laurel and I have shared the sadness of Jo-Anne's death, and > also good remembrances; Laurel offered the perspective that we were a > good match for each other, and Jo-Anne was lucky to have me over the > last decade and last year (in the days after, friends and siblings have > said the same, a comfort). One night, Laurel and I spent a couple of > hours emailing back and forth with the insights/changes we'd gained from > our closeness with Jo-Anne (which was not conducive to a good night's > sleep :-) ... when I saw her the next day, I couldn't get enough > physical contact with her. > > Jo-Anne was diagnosed with very-mild Alzheimer's disease 10 years > earlier (after 3 years of substantial short-term memory loss; in fact, > her cognitive impairment literally started around 1990: The disease > starts early, and grows slowly). Our journey together with her > Alzheimer's disease was hard, but our life together was good, and our > love deepened. Up until 3 years ago, Jo-Anne could still spend her day > bicycling all over town by herself (which she loved, and always wanted > to do), festooned with tracking devices (occasionally, I'd see she was > headed away from home late in the day, and I'd hop on my bike and chase > after her). I attached a picture of us that a friend took, when we'd > just biked to a local event. We often took our bikes on Caltrain to San > Francisco, biked up to Golden Gate Park, and spent the day in the > science museum (Jo-Anne loved nature, and turned me into a nature > lover). Then Jo-Anne started spending 3 days a week at (wonderful) > Rosener House, doing all kinds of activities with fellow folks with > dementia (in her first year there, the staff would send new folks to > hang out with her, because she was engaging). When she couldn't > reliably follow me on her bike, we got a tandem bike, and biked back and > forth to Rosener House together (with a long bike ride home at the end > of the day: Frequent, extended aerobic exercise is the best thing you > can do for your brain). In early 2018, Jo-Anne started sleeping much > longer, so she could no longer attend Rosener House; soon after, she > started having trouble walking. Then Jo-Anne acquired a fearless > companion (she was not bothered by my warning that Jo-Anne once stepped > on my foot and broke a toe) from Mon Ami (whose new techie is Steve > Fram, ex-Technical Director at IGC!), who got Jo-Anne back into walking, > and setup Jo-Anne's smartphone so she could listen to 70's rock-and-roll > and soul music. Jo-Anne's sleep got even more erratic, so planning Mon > Ami visits became too hard; but a wonderful neighbor started taking > Jo-Anne on long walks (she made herself available with just an hours > notice, on the days Jo-Anne awoke in time); by late fall of 2018, > Jo-Anne could walk 10 blocks (mostly on her own) with her neighbor > friend (who Jo-Anne now recognized, and appreciated). By 2019, Jo-Anne > rarely spoke phrases, but still understood quite well, and could answer > (repeated) questions. We listened to podcasts as we ate, and she'd > laugh at jokes, and exclaim about global warming news (guiding my > selection of the podcasts we'd listen to). Three months before her > death, I went in to the bedroom to see if she was awake, and she gave me > a big smile, and said "I've been waiting for you!": She was still > laughing at my jokes and foibles, full of smiles, always wanted to have > her smartphone strapped to her arm so she could listen to music > (sometimes tapping her feet). In her last few months, it took 3 > (wonderful) neighbors to take her for a walk; but she always liked it, > liked seeing the flowers and animals, wanted to continue even as she > wore out her brain trying to consciously control her leg muscles. Even > in her last month, she still recognized and loved/appreciated old > friends, enjoying hanging out with people, laughed and smiled. Her last > decade could have been so much worse, and was wonderful in many ways. > It was an honor and privilege to take care of her, and I've grown so > much in the process. > > Jo-Anne was courageous. As a teenager, she and her best friend Laurel > setup camp near a cliff, and found themselves cornered by adult bears > with cubs: They banged away on their metal cups with their spoons, until > the bears trundled away. Another time, Jo-Anne and I were walking a > trail in Big Sur: Jo-Anne jumped a couple of feet into the air to get > away from a rattlesnake (she was very athletic), but was otherwise > unperturbed. Another time, we parked in a back alley of the old Whiskey > Gulch in East Palo Alto (where my first non-profit got started), so I > could finish my work before driving to Yosemite; Jo-Anne heard a noise, > went outside to check our van, found that a suitcase had been stolen, > then chased after the thief (in the dark): She found him rummaging > through the suitcase's contents, yelled at him to chase him away, then > fetched the suitcase and contents and brought them back. This > courageousness helped our journey with Alzheimer's: Jo-Anne was always > willing to do most anything for researchers; or to try most anything to > fight the disease, to try to slow-down or overcome the ravages. > > In decades past, people who met Jo-Anne usually noticed that she was > nice and friendly. If they saw more of her, they might realize she was > thoughtful/perceptive about people (she was active in a group of people > who did peer-counseling; one of our friends told me she was his best > counselor). And she was very helpful. When her ex-husband's brother > was going through hard times, Jo-Anne let him live in her house for many > months. Jo-Anne regularly visited a schizophrenic friend, for years > (ignoring his verbal "advances"); she even went to court to prevent > California from making him a "ward of the state". > > People who spent time talking to Jo-Anne would also realize how smart > she was. She was an amazing person. I called her a "Renaissance > woman": She'd done so many things, and could teach herself to do most > anything ... > > Jo-Anne realized she had picked up racism towards Latinos from her > mother: So she took Spanish classes, then lived in Central America for > half a year; she saw Nicaraguans fighting against an oppressive > dictator, and came home with a strong appreciation for how hard peasants > had to work to support their families. During the '80's, she worked > hard to prevent the Reagan and Bush administrations from intervening > militarily against Central Americans' struggle for popular control of > their own countries. She was coordinator for a college group (that did > lobbying, and organized speaking events and demonstrations), helped run > a political radio program, led a prominent human rights lawyer on a > national speaking tour, co-edited a scholarly book, lobbied at the > Democratic National Convention in San Francisco, lobbied her > Congressional representative (the delegation made his hands sweat :-). > One of the culminations of this work was her creation of CARNet (a > Spanish "pun"; it stands for Central America Resource Network), as a > subset of PeaceNet (that I helped create). She interned with various DC > pressure groups to teach them how to put their information into the > bulletin boards she created for each Central American country, and > helped them build communication channels with grassroots organizations > (so the DC groups could align legislative lobbying with local activism; > I now consult for a human rights organization, and its "forefather" used > to regularly download information from CARNet). She spent months in > Nicaragua (while the US was waging the Contra war against the country), > helping create Nicarao (a system like PeaceNet). She traveled up and > down Central America teaching NGOs (in Spanish) how to use Nicarao's > email and bulletins boards (over 2400 baud modems ?!); when she arrived > back in Managua, they took one look at her and said "you've got > hepatitis, you have to go home". > > In the '90's (just as her cognition was starting to decline from the > disease), she held jobs where she taught herself how to write > spreadsheet macros and build database applications. One weekend I flew > off on a business trip, and when I came home she'd replaced the furnace > (including hooking-up the gas line, and replacing/insulating the > ducting) - I don't know how she did it! Then she spent 5 years doing > all the logistics to bring techies from all the most underdeveloped > countries (using all 4 languages she spoke) to a central location (the > place where ISoc, the Internet Society, would have their annual > meeting), so volunteers could teach the techies how to connect their > countries to the Internet; we have lots of wonderful knickknacks that > the mostly-young techies gave to her, she was sort-of their den mother. > By the end of that 5 year period, she told a friend that the work got > harder each year: She was already aware that her cognition was > declining, but she thought it was hormonal issues from menopause (she > had serious hot flashes). As she had more and more difficulty doing the > myriad of required tasks, she didn't get much support from the > administrative folks who ran the conferences (nor from me, one of my big > regrets in life) ... but one lefty techie believed in her, and hired her > to run a workshop in South Africa (where she mentored some local woman, > so they could run future workshops themselves - they probably helped > Jo-Anne with tasks that had become harder for her). And when the ISoc > conference came back to SF a few years later, all the techies were glad > to see her; so she hired a full-size bus plus driver, and narrated a > tour of San Francisco for them (I was her guinea pig on a dry run, and > she did a great job!). > > In the '00's, Jo-Anne did computer consulting for a friend who ran a > travel agency, including building a website that would collect contact > info (she taught herself to do all this). And she became a serious > volunteer at the local community cable TV studio: She was the 3rd most > active volunteer for a number of years in a row, winning awards at their > annual dinner. She did computer graphics, sound, camera, directing, the > works. As her memory got worse: First she stopped directing; then she > stopped doing computer graphics; and finally, she had to stop doing > camera, because she'd immediately forget cues from the director (this > was around the time she was diagnosed with Mild Cognitive Impairment, > mid-2006). > > I recently stumbled upon the best illustration of Jo-Anne as Renaissance > woman. As I was gleaning distinctive documents from her office, I came > across lots of leaflets from the plays put on by her community-theater > group in the '70's; as I scanned the leaflets, I realized that Jo-Anne > filled the roles of actor, singer, dancer, player of piano and > Renaissance stringed instruments, director, producer, set designer, > bookkeeper, etc. You wanted Jo-Anne in your group! > > I'm co-chair and citizen scientist for the Community Advisory Board of > Stanford 's Alzheimer's Disease Research Center. They recently filmed > me as caregiver: I described our life together, how I developed skills > and adaptations as Jo-Anne's dementia got worse, and then I walked > around the house showing accommodations I made and describing the > techniques I used - they hope to use this material to produce a film for > training med students. We tried to arrange filming me taking care of > Jo-Anne, but we weren't able to schedule it in time. [I wondered > whether it was appropriate to film me taking care of Jo-Anne's personal > care, which involves nudity, for which I couldn't get functional assent > from her ... until I remembered that Jo-Anne spent many nights dancing > nude in one of her community-theater plays :-]. > > My heart is wounded, and my identities are scrambled: It's going to take > me a while to rebuild myself, with a lot more crying as part of the > process (I got a headache from crying the first day, so I've started > using the electrolyte sticks I used for Jo-Anne the last few weeks, as > her meals became more limited). But I'm otherwise in pretty good shape, > dealing with the myriad things that have to be dealt with, getting calls > and visits from loving friends and family, and using > computer-programming and movie-watching to take a break from my > emotional life (getting to sleep the night she died was hard: As I would > fall asleep a couple of times, I'd suddenly wake up with the realization > that my identities were shredded, it wasn't clear who I was anymore, > there was a Jo-Anne sized hole in my being). > > I hope you're all doing better than me :-> But I'm doing pretty well, > all things considered. [I feel lucky that Jo-Anne taught me how to deal > with my emotional being; many of the best parts of me are from her, > she's a part of me.] I'm getting so many loving/supportive/affirming > visits/hugs, calls, and emails (which typically lead to little bits of > healthy crying ... a sort of episodic mini-therapy). > > My two siblings each spent a week helping me declutter and downsize the > house a year ago. That will make it much easier for me to turn the > house from "our house" into "my house", the first part of building my > new life. > > -scott > > p.s. Feel free to share this email with anyone who remembers Jo-Anne, or > who is struggling with dementia in their family. > > > On 17 Aug 2019, at 3:53, George Sadowsky wrote: > > I'm very sad to hear of Jo-Anne Scott's passing. She was a good colleague > and a good friend. > > I first met Jo-Anne at a meeting in Palo Alto in September 1992, hosted by > Steve From and Scott Weikert. A few months before that, I had discussed > with Larry Landweber at INET'92 in Kobe the possibility of setting up a > training program in Internet technology and use for people from developing > countries. In the 1970s and 1980s, I worked for the United Nations and was > involved in many technology transfer programs in the area of computing, and > I had seen to my dismay the state of technical knowledge, education, and > resources in most of the countries in which I had worked. Larry suggested > giving it a try. Steve Fram was one of the early collaborators, and we were > meeting in his office in Palo Alto to do the initial planning. > > Jo-Anne attended the meeting, I had not known her before, but her > enthusiasm for the project and solving logistical aspects of making it > happen were contagious, so we became the initial band of co-conspirators > for what became ISOC's network technologies training program for people > from developing countries. Since INET'93 was planned for San Francisco > in August 1993, we decided to hold the training workshop in the Silicon > Valley just before the INET meeting, and then have the trainees participate > also in that meeting. We believe that the latter step was important in > introducing them to the people we hoped would be their future Internet > colleagues and would assist them in the developments in their own countries. > > At the time I was working at New York University and was not situated to > assist in local preparation for the workshop. Joanne lived in Palo Alto, > and she believed that she could work with Stanford University to provide > lodging, classroom space, and meals for the trainees and trainers during > August 1993. She set about to do it with a vigor, enthusiasm, and > initiative that characterized her contributions to the workshop for the > next five years.. She convinced the University to provide dormitory space, > meal arrangements,and suitable classroom space for the entire process, and > she coordinated all of the preparatory work, including the procurement, > delivery, and set up for a large number of personal computers to be used > by the three training tracks. She also arranged for several social events > in the evenings to foster a sense of professional community among the > attendees, as well as to meet local people who lived in the Palo Alto area. > I remember her setting up a fireside chat with Vint Cerf one evening, which > resulted in a spirited discussion of the potential of the Internet and the > importance of what it could provide for development. > > At the end of INET' 93, Jo-Anne and I had dinner with the INET'94 > conference chair, and after reviewing the success of our workshop, we > decided to do it again, a decision that was repeated for several years > after that. Although it may not have been clear to the workshop > participants, the amount of logistical preparation required to set up the > Prague workshop in 1994 was immense. Only a few years had elapsed since the > erosion of the iron curtain and the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and > Czechoslovakia was in a rapid state of change. Joanne cooperated with the > Czech Technical University to find space for housing in the Hotel Krystal, > a tram ride away from the University buildings in which staff would be > teaching the four tracks. The Hotel Krystal even had a computer lab with > 24 computers, connected to the Internet via a low-bandwidth permanent > connection. During the workshop, Jo-Anne learned that our Hotel Krystal > had only been a hotel for a few years and before that it had been the > training institute for the Czech secret police. We wondered how many > microphones were still installed in various parts of the building, > including the sleeping rooms. Jo-Anne also discovered the "Chicago Pizza > House" (not a typo!) in an underground warren near the hotel, where we > went for relief several times to escape the rich Czech food offerings. > > Jo-Anne continued to participate actively in and support the workshop > activities in 1995 in Honolulu, in 1996 in Montréal and in 1997 in Kuala > Lumpur. In 1994 she discovered the local travel agent in Palo Alto, Maria > Orvell, who worked with Joanne and together they became accomplished in > bringing people from all parts of the world to wherever the next INET > meeting was going to be held. > > The process of choosing and assisting participants to attend the workshops > was extensive. Applications were solicited through a number of channels, > including disseminating information by participants in formal workshops. > These all came to Jo-Anne and she prepared them for evaluation by a > committee consisting of the teaching staff for the next workshop. After > that, the complex process of distributing the financial resources that we > were able to obtain, ascertaining the possibility of visas and helping > participants to obtain them (including making intercessions with the host > country), and making flight arrangements, and this generally had to be > performed individually for each participant. The logistics process took a > lot of time andinitiative, and Joanne was able to do it, always in time to > meet our deadlines. > > Jo-Anne was a true partner. She embodied the spirit of the Internet, > helping, sharing, supporting, and giving of herself so that others might > learn and in turn share with a new with others in their country. She > believed strongly in the Internet's ability to help people in earlier > stages of development, and she gave herself fully to the task. Many > workshop participants saw her correctly as fundamental to the success of > their experience. I'm glad that she lived long enough to observe the > benefits of her contribution to global Internet development, but very sad > that she was not able to continue to do so. She will be missed. > > George > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > George Sadowsky Residence tel: > +1.301.968.4325 > 8300 Burdette Road, Apt B-472 Mobile: > +1.202.415.1933 > Bethesda MD 20817-2831 USA Skype: > sadowsky > george.sadowsky at gmail.com http://www.georgesadowsky.org/ > > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* *P. O. Box 17862* *Suva* *Republic of Fiji* *Cell: +679 7656770; * *Home: +679 3362003* *Twitter: @SalanietaT* *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca Sat Aug 17 00:37:51 2019 From: alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca (Alan Greenberg) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 04:37:51 +0000 Subject: [governance] Jo-Anne Scott remembered In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indeed sad to hear of her passing. I started working on the INET workshops in 1995 in Hawaii and met Jo-Anne at that time. I was handling the local arrangements for the workshop in Montreal, and we worked very closely on that and continued to do so for the meeting in Kuala Lumpur the following year. Jo-Anne put everything she had into those workshops and we couldn't have pulled them off without her. But it was not just the effort she put into the workshops. She CARED about the students, and they returned those feelings in spades. And I still use the database program she introduced me to! Alan At 16/08/2019 11:57 AM, via governance Mailing List wrote: I'm very sad to hear of Jo-Anne Scott's passing. She was a good colleague and At 1145 a good friend. I first met Jo-Anne at a meeting in Palo Alto in September 1992, hosted by Steve From and Scott Weikert. A few months before that, I had discussed with Larry Landweber at INET'92 in Kobe the possibility of setting up a training program in Internet technology and use for people from developing countries. In the 1970s and 1980s, I worked for the United Nations and was involved in many technology transfer programs in the area of computing, and I had seen to my dismay the state of technical knowledge, education, and resources in most of the countries in which I had worked. Larry suggested giving it a try. Steve Fram was one of the early collaborators, and we were meeting in his office in Palo Alto to do the initial planning. Jo-Anne attended the meeting, I had not known her before, but her enthusiasm for the project and solving logistical aspects of making it happen were contagious, so we became the initial band of co-conspirators for what became ISOC's network technologies training program for people from developing countries. Since INET'93 was planned for San Francisco in August 1993, we decided to hold the training workshop in the Silicon Valley just before the INET meeting, and then have the trainees participate also in that meeting. We believe that the latter step was important in introducing them to the people we hoped would be their future Internet colleagues and would assist them in the developments in their own countries. At the time I was working at New York University and was not situated to assist in local preparation for the workshop. Joanne lived in Palo Alto, and she believed that she could work with Stanford University to provide lodging, classroom space, and meals for the trainees and trainers during August 1993. She set about to do it with a vigor, enthusiasm, and initiative that characterized her contributions to the workshop for the next five years.. She convinced the University to provide dormitory space, meal arrangements,and suitable classroom space for the entire process, and she coordinated all of the preparatory work, including the procurement, delivery, and set up for a large number of personal computers to be used by the three training tracks. She also arranged for several social events in the evenings to foster a sense of professional community among the attendees, as well as to meet local people who lived in the Palo Alto area. I remember her setting up a fireside chat with Vint Cerf one evening, which resulted in a spirited discussion of the potential of the Internet and the importance of what it could provide for development. At the end of INET' 93, Jo-Anne and I had dinner with the INET'94 conference chair, and after reviewing the success of our workshop, we decided to do it again, a decision that was repeated for several years after that. Although it may not have been clear to the workshop participants, the amount of logistical preparation required to set up the Prague workshop in 1994 was immense. Only a few years had elapsed since the erosion of the iron curtain and the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and Czechoslovakia was in a rapid state of change. Joanne cooperated with the Czech Technical University to find space for housing in the Hotel Krystal, a tram ride away from the University buildings in which staff would be teaching the four tracks. The Hotel Krystal even had a computer lab with 24 computers, connected to the Internet via a low-bandwidth permanent connection. During the workshop, Jo-Anne learned that our Hotel Krystal had only been a hotel for a few years and before that it had been the training institute for the Czech secret police. We wondered how many microphones were still installed in various parts of the building, including the sleeping rooms. Jo-Anne also discovered the "Chicago Pizza House" (not a typo!) in an underground warren near the hotel, where we went for relief several times to escape the rich Czech food offerings. Jo-Anne continued to participate actively in and support the workshop activities in 1995 in Honolulu, in 1996 in Montréal and in 1997 in Kuala Lumpur. In 1994 she discovered the local travel agent in Palo Alto, Maria Orvell, who worked with Joanne and together they became accomplished in bringing people from all parts of the world to wherever the next INET meeting was going to be held. The process of choosing and assisting participants to attend the workshops was extensive. Applications were solicited through a number of channels, including disseminating information by participants in formal workshops. These all came to Jo-Anne and she prepared them for evaluation by a committee consisting of the teaching staff for the next workshop. After that, the complex process of distributing the financial resources that we were able to obtain, ascertaining the possibility of visas and helping participants to obtain them (including making intercessions with the host country), and making flight arrangements, and this generally had to be performed individually for each participant. The logistics process took a lot of time andinitiative, and Joanne was able to do it, always in time to meet our deadlines. Jo-Anne was a true partner. She embodied the spirit of the Internet, helping, sharing, supporting, and giving of herself so that others might learn and in turn share with a new with others in their country. She believed strongly in the Internet's ability to help people in earlier stages of development, and she gave herself fully to the task. Many workshop participants saw her correctly as fundamental to the success of their experience. I'm glad that she lived long enough to observe the benefits of her contribution to global Internet development, but very sad that she was not able to continue to do so. She will be missed. 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On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 10:08 AM Alan Greenberg wrote: > Indeed sad to hear of her passing. > > I started working on the INET workshops in 1995 in Hawaii and met Jo-Anne > at that time. I was handling the local arrangements for the workshop in > Montreal, and we worked very closely on that and continued to do so for the > meeting in Kuala Lumpur the following year. Jo-Anne put everything she had > into those workshops and we couldn't have pulled them off without her. > > But it was not just the effort she put into the workshops. She CARED about > the students, and they returned those feelings in spades. > > And I still use the database program she introduced me to! > > Alan > > > > At 16/08/2019 11:57 AM, via governance Mailing List wrote: > > I'm very sad to hear of Jo-Anne Scott's passing. She was a good colleague > and At 1145 a good friend. > > I first met Jo-Anne at a meeting in Palo Alto in September 1992, hosted by > Steve From and Scott Weikert. A few months before that, I had discussed > with Larry Landweber at INET'92 in Kobe the possibility of setting up a > training program in Internet technology and use for people from developing > countries. In the 1970s and 1980s, I worked for the United Nations and was > involved in many technology transfer programs in the area of computing, and > I had seen to my dismay the state of technical knowledge, education, and > resources in most of the countries in which I had worked. Larry suggested > giving it a try. Steve Fram was one of the early collaborators, and we were > meeting in his office in Palo Alto to do the initial planning. > > Jo-Anne attended the meeting, I had not known her before, but her > enthusiasm for the project and solving logistical aspects of making it > happen were contagious, so we became the initial band of co-conspirators > for what became ISOC's network technologies training program for people > from developing countries. Since INET'93 was planned for San Francisco > in August 1993, we decided to hold the training workshop in the Silicon > Valley just before the INET meeting, and then have the trainees participate > also in that meeting. We believe that the latter step was important in > introducing them to the people we hoped would be their future Internet > colleagues and would assist them in the developments in their own countries. > > At the time I was working at New York University and was not situated to > assist in local preparation for the workshop. Joanne lived in Palo Alto, > and she believed that she could work with Stanford University to provide > lodging, classroom space, and meals for the trainees and trainers during > August 1993. She set about to do it with a vigor, enthusiasm, and > initiative that characterized her contributions to the workshop for the > next five years.. She convinced the University to provide dormitory space, > meal arrangements,and suitable classroom space for the entire process, and > she coordinated all of the preparatory work, including the procurement, > delivery, and set up for a large number of personal computers to be used by > the three training tracks. She also arranged for several social events in > the evenings to foster a sense of professional community among the > attendees, as well as to meet local people who lived in the Palo Alto area. > I remember her setting up a fireside chat with Vint Cerf one evening, which > resulted in a spirited discussion of the potential of the Internet and the > importance of what it could provide for development. > > At the end of INET' 93, Jo-Anne and I had dinner with the INET'94 > conference chair, and after reviewing the success of our workshop, we > decided to do it again, a decision that was repeated for several years > after that. Although it may not have been clear to the workshop > participants, the amount of logistical preparation required to set up the > Prague workshop in 1994 was immense. Only a few years had elapsed since the > erosion of the iron curtain and the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and > Czechoslovakia was in a rapid state of change. Joanne cooperated with the > Czech Technical University to find space for housing in the Hotel Krystal, > a tram ride away from the University buildings in which staff would be > teaching the four tracks. The Hotel Krystal even had a computer lab with > 24 computers, connected to the Internet via a low-bandwidth permanent > connection. During the workshop, Jo-Anne learned that our Hotel Krystal had > only been a hotel for a few years and before that it had been the training > institute for the Czech secret police. We wondered how many microphones > were still installed in various parts of the building, including the > sleeping rooms. Jo-Anne also discovered the "Chicago Pizza House" (not a > typo!) in an underground warren near the hotel, where we went for relief > several times to escape the rich Czech food offerings. > > Jo-Anne continued to participate actively in and support the workshop > activities in 1995 in Honolulu, in 1996 in Montréal and in 1997 in Kuala > Lumpur. In 1994 she discovered the local travel agent in Palo Alto, Maria > Orvell, who worked with Joanne and together they became accomplished in > bringing people from all parts of the world to wherever the next INET > meeting was going to be held. > > The process of choosing and assisting participants to attend the workshops > was extensive. Applications were solicited through a number of channels, > including disseminating information by participants in formal workshops. > These all came to Jo-Anne and she prepared them for evaluation by a > committee consisting of the teaching staff for the next workshop. After > that, the complex process of distributing the financial resources that we > were able to obtain, ascertaining the possibility of visas and helping > participants to obtain them (including making intercessions with the host > country), and making flight arrangements, and this generally had to be > performed individually for each participant. The logistics process took a > lot of time andinitiative, and Joanne was able to do it, always in time to > meet our deadlines. > > Jo-Anne was a true partner. She embodied the spirit of the Internet, > helping, sharing, supporting, and giving of herself so that others might > learn and in turn share with a new with others in their country. She > believed strongly in the Internet's ability to help people in earlier > stages of development, and she gave herself fully to the task. Many > workshop participants saw her correctly as fundamental to the success of > their experience. I'm glad that she lived long enough to observe the > benefits of her contribution to global Internet development, but very sad > that she was not able to continue to do so. She will be missed. > > George > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > George Sadowsky Residence tel: +1.301.968.4325 > 8300 Burdette Road, Apt B-472 Mobile: +1.202.415.1933 > Bethesda MD 20817-2831 USA Skype: > sadowsky > george.sadowsky at gmail.com http://www.georgesadowsky.org/ > > > > > --- > To unsubscribe: < mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net > > > List help: < https://riseup.net/lists> > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sat Aug 17 02:05:11 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 02:05:11 -0400 Subject: [governance] Jo-Anne Scott remembered In-Reply-To: <942DF809-D5D0-432E-BF7B-72A4A17D1A59@apnic.net> References: <515DE3AD-3E51-424C-BAE0-A21CAE957DEF@gmail.com> <942DF809-D5D0-432E-BF7B-72A4A17D1A59@apnic.net> Message-ID: Thank you, Paul. Not that I struggle with caring for a person with Alzheimer's. I never had the courage and the honor to look after my Madar Bozorg. But the story is so familiar. The struggle. Love. And the sad truth that they are never going to be the same for you. That they have forgotten you. But they haven’t forgotten what they stood for. The dignity, the pride , the strength is apparent in their every move. One day, long ago, my Madar Bozorg after a month of staying with us went back home. I said goodbye. It was raining. She left. In a white car. I cried watching her fading away and leaving me. And I always feel that way now that she doesn’t remember me. Nor her children. But she is still full of life. She is herself. In every way. Joanne sounded like a magnificent woman. And was lucky to have her old friends by her side. Some of us won't ever see that. On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 7:38 PM Paul Wilson wrote: > Thanks for this George. > > Jo-Anne’s partner, Scott Weikart, write this beautiful, more personal > account, of life and her final days. He’s happy to have it shared in her > memory, especially for those who struggle in any way with Alzheimer’s. > > I really hope to see Jo-Anne recognised in ISOC’s Hall of Fame; she was a > pioneer. > > Paul. > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > Subject: (mostly) sad news > Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 16:19:11 -0700 > From: Scott Weikart > > I have (mostly) sad news: Jo-Anne Scott died unexpectedly (on Sunday, > July 14, 2019), at home in her own bed, clutching her green stuffed > hippo to her neck for comfort. I say "mostly sad", because it was a > good time to die: She declined significantly over the previous month, > from her severe Alzheimer's disease. She had started sleeping all day > long, and then lost the use of her legs (on the few days she didn't > sleep all day long, I used her Hoyer lift (personal crane) to put her in > her wheelchair, so I could take her out to sit on the front porch; but I > had to wrap her gait belt around her armpits and the back of the chair, > to prevent her head from ending up in her knees). Along with the > physical decline, she declined mentally: Her interaction with the people > around her became much more limited. > > In retrospect (if I'd known she was on the verge of dying), I would have > spent more time sitting with her and consoling/stroking her the last > couple of her days: but I take solace in all I was able to do 'for' and > 'with' her over the last decade (and her PCP's comment that I was a > better caregiver than the professionals; and her neurologist's comment > that "You set the bar, in my experience, for loving, flexible, creative > caregiving; I am grateful to you for those years of hard, patient work: > You did really well by her"). [I was able to get her body to Stanford > in time for her brain to be preserved for the research study in which > she participated: She really appreciated being a research guinea pig, to > help prevent future generations from experiencing her disease.] > > Jo-Anne's best friend Laurel (50 years!) had driven down 3 weeks > earlier, and two friends dropped by; I had to wake Jo-Anne for the > visit, but she was relatively alert, and enjoyed Laurel's Samoyed puppy > (see attached picture; the second picture is Jo-Anne gazing lovingly at > Laurel). Laurel and I have shared the sadness of Jo-Anne's death, and > also good remembrances; Laurel offered the perspective that we were a > good match for each other, and Jo-Anne was lucky to have me over the > last decade and last year (in the days after, friends and siblings have > said the same, a comfort). One night, Laurel and I spent a couple of > hours emailing back and forth with the insights/changes we'd gained from > our closeness with Jo-Anne (which was not conducive to a good night's > sleep :-) ... when I saw her the next day, I couldn't get enough > physical contact with her. > > Jo-Anne was diagnosed with very-mild Alzheimer's disease 10 years > earlier (after 3 years of substantial short-term memory loss; in fact, > her cognitive impairment literally started around 1990: The disease > starts early, and grows slowly). Our journey together with her > Alzheimer's disease was hard, but our life together was good, and our > love deepened. Up until 3 years ago, Jo-Anne could still spend her day > bicycling all over town by herself (which she loved, and always wanted > to do), festooned with tracking devices (occasionally, I'd see she was > headed away from home late in the day, and I'd hop on my bike and chase > after her). I attached a picture of us that a friend took, when we'd > just biked to a local event. We often took our bikes on Caltrain to San > Francisco, biked up to Golden Gate Park, and spent the day in the > science museum (Jo-Anne loved nature, and turned me into a nature > lover). Then Jo-Anne started spending 3 days a week at (wonderful) > Rosener House, doing all kinds of activities with fellow folks with > dementia (in her first year there, the staff would send new folks to > hang out with her, because she was engaging). When she couldn't > reliably follow me on her bike, we got a tandem bike, and biked back and > forth to Rosener House together (with a long bike ride home at the end > of the day: Frequent, extended aerobic exercise is the best thing you > can do for your brain). In early 2018, Jo-Anne started sleeping much > longer, so she could no longer attend Rosener House; soon after, she > started having trouble walking. Then Jo-Anne acquired a fearless > companion (she was not bothered by my warning that Jo-Anne once stepped > on my foot and broke a toe) from Mon Ami (whose new techie is Steve > Fram, ex-Technical Director at IGC!), who got Jo-Anne back into walking, > and setup Jo-Anne's smartphone so she could listen to 70's rock-and-roll > and soul music. Jo-Anne's sleep got even more erratic, so planning Mon > Ami visits became too hard; but a wonderful neighbor started taking > Jo-Anne on long walks (she made herself available with just an hours > notice, on the days Jo-Anne awoke in time); by late fall of 2018, > Jo-Anne could walk 10 blocks (mostly on her own) with her neighbor > friend (who Jo-Anne now recognized, and appreciated). By 2019, Jo-Anne > rarely spoke phrases, but still understood quite well, and could answer > (repeated) questions. We listened to podcasts as we ate, and she'd > laugh at jokes, and exclaim about global warming news (guiding my > selection of the podcasts we'd listen to). Three months before her > death, I went in to the bedroom to see if she was awake, and she gave me > a big smile, and said "I've been waiting for you!": She was still > laughing at my jokes and foibles, full of smiles, always wanted to have > her smartphone strapped to her arm so she could listen to music > (sometimes tapping her feet). In her last few months, it took 3 > (wonderful) neighbors to take her for a walk; but she always liked it, > liked seeing the flowers and animals, wanted to continue even as she > wore out her brain trying to consciously control her leg muscles. Even > in her last month, she still recognized and loved/appreciated old > friends, enjoying hanging out with people, laughed and smiled. Her last > decade could have been so much worse, and was wonderful in many ways. > It was an honor and privilege to take care of her, and I've grown so > much in the process. > > Jo-Anne was courageous. As a teenager, she and her best friend Laurel > setup camp near a cliff, and found themselves cornered by adult bears > with cubs: They banged away on their metal cups with their spoons, until > the bears trundled away. Another time, Jo-Anne and I were walking a > trail in Big Sur: Jo-Anne jumped a couple of feet into the air to get > away from a rattlesnake (she was very athletic), but was otherwise > unperturbed. Another time, we parked in a back alley of the old Whiskey > Gulch in East Palo Alto (where my first non-profit got started), so I > could finish my work before driving to Yosemite; Jo-Anne heard a noise, > went outside to check our van, found that a suitcase had been stolen, > then chased after the thief (in the dark): She found him rummaging > through the suitcase's contents, yelled at him to chase him away, then > fetched the suitcase and contents and brought them back. This > courageousness helped our journey with Alzheimer's: Jo-Anne was always > willing to do most anything for researchers; or to try most anything to > fight the disease, to try to slow-down or overcome the ravages. > > In decades past, people who met Jo-Anne usually noticed that she was > nice and friendly. If they saw more of her, they might realize she was > thoughtful/perceptive about people (she was active in a group of people > who did peer-counseling; one of our friends told me she was his best > counselor). And she was very helpful. When her ex-husband's brother > was going through hard times, Jo-Anne let him live in her house for many > months. Jo-Anne regularly visited a schizophrenic friend, for years > (ignoring his verbal "advances"); she even went to court to prevent > California from making him a "ward of the state". > > People who spent time talking to Jo-Anne would also realize how smart > she was. She was an amazing person. I called her a "Renaissance > woman": She'd done so many things, and could teach herself to do most > anything ... > > Jo-Anne realized she had picked up racism towards Latinos from her > mother: So she took Spanish classes, then lived in Central America for > half a year; she saw Nicaraguans fighting against an oppressive > dictator, and came home with a strong appreciation for how hard peasants > had to work to support their families. During the '80's, she worked > hard to prevent the Reagan and Bush administrations from intervening > militarily against Central Americans' struggle for popular control of > their own countries. She was coordinator for a college group (that did > lobbying, and organized speaking events and demonstrations), helped run > a political radio program, led a prominent human rights lawyer on a > national speaking tour, co-edited a scholarly book, lobbied at the > Democratic National Convention in San Francisco, lobbied her > Congressional representative (the delegation made his hands sweat :-). > One of the culminations of this work was her creation of CARNet (a > Spanish "pun"; it stands for Central America Resource Network), as a > subset of PeaceNet (that I helped create). She interned with various DC > pressure groups to teach them how to put their information into the > bulletin boards she created for each Central American country, and > helped them build communication channels with grassroots organizations > (so the DC groups could align legislative lobbying with local activism; > I now consult for a human rights organization, and its "forefather" used > to regularly download information from CARNet). She spent months in > Nicaragua (while the US was waging the Contra war against the country), > helping create Nicarao (a system like PeaceNet). She traveled up and > down Central America teaching NGOs (in Spanish) how to use Nicarao's > email and bulletins boards (over 2400 baud modems ?!); when she arrived > back in Managua, they took one look at her and said "you've got > hepatitis, you have to go home". > > In the '90's (just as her cognition was starting to decline from the > disease), she held jobs where she taught herself how to write > spreadsheet macros and build database applications. One weekend I flew > off on a business trip, and when I came home she'd replaced the furnace > (including hooking-up the gas line, and replacing/insulating the > ducting) - I don't know how she did it! Then she spent 5 years doing > all the logistics to bring techies from all the most underdeveloped > countries (using all 4 languages she spoke) to a central location (the > place where ISoc, the Internet Society, would have their annual > meeting), so volunteers could teach the techies how to connect their > countries to the Internet; we have lots of wonderful knickknacks that > the mostly-young techies gave to her, she was sort-of their den mother. > By the end of that 5 year period, she told a friend that the work got > harder each year: She was already aware that her cognition was > declining, but she thought it was hormonal issues from menopause (she > had serious hot flashes). As she had more and more difficulty doing the > myriad of required tasks, she didn't get much support from the > administrative folks who ran the conferences (nor from me, one of my big > regrets in life) ... but one lefty techie believed in her, and hired her > to run a workshop in South Africa (where she mentored some local woman, > so they could run future workshops themselves - they probably helped > Jo-Anne with tasks that had become harder for her). And when the ISoc > conference came back to SF a few years later, all the techies were glad > to see her; so she hired a full-size bus plus driver, and narrated a > tour of San Francisco for them (I was her guinea pig on a dry run, and > she did a great job!). > > In the '00's, Jo-Anne did computer consulting for a friend who ran a > travel agency, including building a website that would collect contact > info (she taught herself to do all this). And she became a serious > volunteer at the local community cable TV studio: She was the 3rd most > active volunteer for a number of years in a row, winning awards at their > annual dinner. She did computer graphics, sound, camera, directing, the > works. As her memory got worse: First she stopped directing; then she > stopped doing computer graphics; and finally, she had to stop doing > camera, because she'd immediately forget cues from the director (this > was around the time she was diagnosed with Mild Cognitive Impairment, > mid-2006). > > I recently stumbled upon the best illustration of Jo-Anne as Renaissance > woman. As I was gleaning distinctive documents from her office, I came > across lots of leaflets from the plays put on by her community-theater > group in the '70's; as I scanned the leaflets, I realized that Jo-Anne > filled the roles of actor, singer, dancer, player of piano and > Renaissance stringed instruments, director, producer, set designer, > bookkeeper, etc. You wanted Jo-Anne in your group! > > I'm co-chair and citizen scientist for the Community Advisory Board of > Stanford 's Alzheimer's Disease Research Center. They recently filmed > me as caregiver: I described our life together, how I developed skills > and adaptations as Jo-Anne's dementia got worse, and then I walked > around the house showing accommodations I made and describing the > techniques I used - they hope to use this material to produce a film for > training med students. We tried to arrange filming me taking care of > Jo-Anne, but we weren't able to schedule it in time. [I wondered > whether it was appropriate to film me taking care of Jo-Anne's personal > care, which involves nudity, for which I couldn't get functional assent > from her ... until I remembered that Jo-Anne spent many nights dancing > nude in one of her community-theater plays :-]. > > My heart is wounded, and my identities are scrambled: It's going to take > me a while to rebuild myself, with a lot more crying as part of the > process (I got a headache from crying the first day, so I've started > using the electrolyte sticks I used for Jo-Anne the last few weeks, as > her meals became more limited). But I'm otherwise in pretty good shape, > dealing with the myriad things that have to be dealt with, getting calls > and visits from loving friends and family, and using > computer-programming and movie-watching to take a break from my > emotional life (getting to sleep the night she died was hard: As I would > fall asleep a couple of times, I'd suddenly wake up with the realization > that my identities were shredded, it wasn't clear who I was anymore, > there was a Jo-Anne sized hole in my being). > > I hope you're all doing better than me :-> But I'm doing pretty well, > all things considered. [I feel lucky that Jo-Anne taught me how to deal > with my emotional being; many of the best parts of me are from her, > she's a part of me.] I'm getting so many loving/supportive/affirming > visits/hugs, calls, and emails (which typically lead to little bits of > healthy crying ... a sort of episodic mini-therapy). > > My two siblings each spent a week helping me declutter and downsize the > house a year ago. That will make it much easier for me to turn the > house from "our house" into "my house", the first part of building my > new life. > > -scott > > p.s. Feel free to share this email with anyone who remembers Jo-Anne, or > who is struggling with dementia in their family. > > > On 17 Aug 2019, at 3:53, George Sadowsky wrote: > > I'm very sad to hear of Jo-Anne Scott's passing. She was a good colleague > and a good friend. > > I first met Jo-Anne at a meeting in Palo Alto in September 1992, hosted by > Steve From and Scott Weikert. A few months before that, I had discussed > with Larry Landweber at INET'92 in Kobe the possibility of setting up a > training program in Internet technology and use for people from developing > countries. In the 1970s and 1980s, I worked for the United Nations and was > involved in many technology transfer programs in the area of computing, and > I had seen to my dismay the state of technical knowledge, education, and > resources in most of the countries in which I had worked. Larry suggested > giving it a try. Steve Fram was one of the early collaborators, and we were > meeting in his office in Palo Alto to do the initial planning. > > Jo-Anne attended the meeting, I had not known her before, but her > enthusiasm for the project and solving logistical aspects of making it > happen were contagious, so we became the initial band of co-conspirators > for what became ISOC's network technologies training program for people > from developing countries. Since INET'93 was planned for San Francisco > in August 1993, we decided to hold the training workshop in the Silicon > Valley just before the INET meeting, and then have the trainees participate > also in that meeting. We believe that the latter step was important in > introducing them to the people we hoped would be their future Internet > colleagues and would assist them in the developments in their own countries. > > At the time I was working at New York University and was not situated to > assist in local preparation for the workshop. Joanne lived in Palo Alto, > and she believed that she could work with Stanford University to provide > lodging, classroom space, and meals for the trainees and trainers during > August 1993. She set about to do it with a vigor, enthusiasm, and > initiative that characterized her contributions to the workshop for the > next five years.. She convinced the University to provide dormitory space, > meal arrangements,and suitable classroom space for the entire process, and > she coordinated all of the preparatory work, including the procurement, > delivery, and set up for a large number of personal computers to be used > by the three training tracks. She also arranged for several social events > in the evenings to foster a sense of professional community among the > attendees, as well as to meet local people who lived in the Palo Alto area. > I remember her setting up a fireside chat with Vint Cerf one evening, which > resulted in a spirited discussion of the potential of the Internet and the > importance of what it could provide for development. > > At the end of INET' 93, Jo-Anne and I had dinner with the INET'94 > conference chair, and after reviewing the success of our workshop, we > decided to do it again, a decision that was repeated for several years > after that. Although it may not have been clear to the workshop > participants, the amount of logistical preparation required to set up the > Prague workshop in 1994 was immense. Only a few years had elapsed since the > erosion of the iron curtain and the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and > Czechoslovakia was in a rapid state of change. Joanne cooperated with the > Czech Technical University to find space for housing in the Hotel Krystal, > a tram ride away from the University buildings in which staff would be > teaching the four tracks. The Hotel Krystal even had a computer lab with > 24 computers, connected to the Internet via a low-bandwidth permanent > connection. During the workshop, Jo-Anne learned that our Hotel Krystal > had only been a hotel for a few years and before that it had been the > training institute for the Czech secret police. We wondered how many > microphones were still installed in various parts of the building, > including the sleeping rooms. Jo-Anne also discovered the "Chicago Pizza > House" (not a typo!) in an underground warren near the hotel, where we > went for relief several times to escape the rich Czech food offerings. > > Jo-Anne continued to participate actively in and support the workshop > activities in 1995 in Honolulu, in 1996 in Montréal and in 1997 in Kuala > Lumpur. In 1994 she discovered the local travel agent in Palo Alto, Maria > Orvell, who worked with Joanne and together they became accomplished in > bringing people from all parts of the world to wherever the next INET > meeting was going to be held. > > The process of choosing and assisting participants to attend the workshops > was extensive. Applications were solicited through a number of channels, > including disseminating information by participants in formal workshops. > These all came to Jo-Anne and she prepared them for evaluation by a > committee consisting of the teaching staff for the next workshop. After > that, the complex process of distributing the financial resources that we > were able to obtain, ascertaining the possibility of visas and helping > participants to obtain them (including making intercessions with the host > country), and making flight arrangements, and this generally had to be > performed individually for each participant. The logistics process took a > lot of time andinitiative, and Joanne was able to do it, always in time to > meet our deadlines. > > Jo-Anne was a true partner. She embodied the spirit of the Internet, > helping, sharing, supporting, and giving of herself so that others might > learn and in turn share with a new with others in their country. She > believed strongly in the Internet's ability to help people in earlier > stages of development, and she gave herself fully to the task. Many > workshop participants saw her correctly as fundamental to the success of > their experience. I'm glad that she lived long enough to observe the > benefits of her contribution to global Internet development, but very sad > that she was not able to continue to do so. She will be missed. > > George > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > George Sadowsky Residence tel: > +1.301.968.4325 > 8300 Burdette Road, Apt B > -472 > Mobile: +1.202.415.1933 > Bethesda MD 20817-2831 USA Skype: > sadowsky > george.sadowsky at gmail.com http://www.georgesadowsky.org/ > > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joly at punkcast.com Sat Aug 17 02:28:26 2019 From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 02:28:26 -0400 Subject: [governance] WEBCAST TODAY: DNS Dialogue w/ ISOC Delhi and ISOC Mumbai Message-ID: This is under way. 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Thanking you all. kanumuri s raju " We Connect human contacts " " We make net to think and act " " Survival is h-commerce -human commerce or human knowledge commerce based on Bartering of knowledge Globally with out money as instrument " -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kkkrkstrust - Social and community empowerment and support services Create Green world: Share your Knowledge to make India Green - Eco System and self sustainability of world through communities and Internet technologies collaboration knowledge collaboration commerce sustainable smart villages to connect next 3.4 billion people. ====================================================== On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 11:36 AM farzaneh badii wrote: > Thank you, Paul. Not that I struggle with caring for a person with > Alzheimer's. I never had the courage and the honor to look after my Madar > Bozorg. But the story is so familiar. The struggle. Love. And the sad truth > that they are never going to be the same for you. That they have > forgotten you. But they haven’t forgotten what they stood for. The dignity, > the pride , the strength is apparent in their every move. > One day, long ago, my Madar Bozorg after a month of staying with us went > back home. I said goodbye. It was raining. She left. In a white car. I > cried watching her fading away and leaving me. And I always feel that way > now that she doesn’t remember me. Nor her children. But she is still full > of life. She is herself. In every way. Joanne sounded like a magnificent > woman. And was lucky to have her old friends by her side. Some of us won't > ever see that. > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 7:38 PM Paul Wilson wrote: > >> Thanks for this George. >> >> Jo-Anne’s partner, Scott Weikart, write this beautiful, more personal >> account, of life and her final days. He’s happy to have it shared in her >> memory, especially for those who struggle in any way with Alzheimer’s. >> >> I really hope to see Jo-Anne recognised in ISOC’s Hall of Fame; she was a >> pioneer. >> >> Paul. >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> >> Subject: (mostly) sad news >> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 16:19:11 -0700 >> From: Scott Weikart >> >> I have (mostly) sad news: Jo-Anne Scott died unexpectedly (on Sunday, >> July 14, 2019), at home in her own bed, clutching her green stuffed >> hippo to her neck for comfort. I say "mostly sad", because it was a >> good time to die: She declined significantly over the previous month, >> from her severe Alzheimer's disease. She had started sleeping all day >> long, and then lost the use of her legs (on the few days she didn't >> sleep all day long, I used her Hoyer lift (personal crane) to put her in >> her wheelchair, so I could take her out to sit on the front porch; but I >> had to wrap her gait belt around her armpits and the back of the chair, >> to prevent her head from ending up in her knees). Along with the >> physical decline, she declined mentally: Her interaction with the people >> around her became much more limited. >> >> In retrospect (if I'd known she was on the verge of dying), I would have >> spent more time sitting with her and consoling/stroking her the last >> couple of her days: but I take solace in all I was able to do 'for' and >> 'with' her over the last decade (and her PCP's comment that I was a >> better caregiver than the professionals; and her neurologist's comment >> that "You set the bar, in my experience, for loving, flexible, creative >> caregiving; I am grateful to you for those years of hard, patient work: >> You did really well by her"). [I was able to get her body to Stanford >> in time for her brain to be preserved for the research study in which >> she participated: She really appreciated being a research guinea pig, to >> help prevent future generations from experiencing her disease.] >> >> Jo-Anne's best friend Laurel (50 years!) had driven down 3 weeks >> earlier, and two friends dropped by; I had to wake Jo-Anne for the >> visit, but she was relatively alert, and enjoyed Laurel's Samoyed puppy >> (see attached picture; the second picture is Jo-Anne gazing lovingly at >> Laurel). Laurel and I have shared the sadness of Jo-Anne's death, and >> also good remembrances; Laurel offered the perspective that we were a >> good match for each other, and Jo-Anne was lucky to have me over the >> last decade and last year (in the days after, friends and siblings have >> said the same, a comfort). One night, Laurel and I spent a couple of >> hours emailing back and forth with the insights/changes we'd gained from >> our closeness with Jo-Anne (which was not conducive to a good night's >> sleep :-) ... when I saw her the next day, I couldn't get enough >> physical contact with her. >> >> Jo-Anne was diagnosed with very-mild Alzheimer's disease 10 years >> earlier (after 3 years of substantial short-term memory loss; in fact, >> her cognitive impairment literally started around 1990: The disease >> starts early, and grows slowly). Our journey together with her >> Alzheimer's disease was hard, but our life together was good, and our >> love deepened. Up until 3 years ago, Jo-Anne could still spend her day >> bicycling all over town by herself (which she loved, and always wanted >> to do), festooned with tracking devices (occasionally, I'd see she was >> headed away from home late in the day, and I'd hop on my bike and chase >> after her). I attached a picture of us that a friend took, when we'd >> just biked to a local event. We often took our bikes on Caltrain to San >> Francisco, biked up to Golden Gate Park, and spent the day in the >> science museum (Jo-Anne loved nature, and turned me into a nature >> lover). Then Jo-Anne started spending 3 days a week at (wonderful) >> Rosener House, doing all kinds of activities with fellow folks with >> dementia (in her first year there, the staff would send new folks to >> hang out with her, because she was engaging). When she couldn't >> reliably follow me on her bike, we got a tandem bike, and biked back and >> forth to Rosener House together (with a long bike ride home at the end >> of the day: Frequent, extended aerobic exercise is the best thing you >> can do for your brain). In early 2018, Jo-Anne started sleeping much >> longer, so she could no longer attend Rosener House; soon after, she >> started having trouble walking. Then Jo-Anne acquired a fearless >> companion (she was not bothered by my warning that Jo-Anne once stepped >> on my foot and broke a toe) from Mon Ami (whose new techie is Steve >> Fram, ex-Technical Director at IGC!), who got Jo-Anne back into walking, >> and setup Jo-Anne's smartphone so she could listen to 70's rock-and-roll >> and soul music. Jo-Anne's sleep got even more erratic, so planning Mon >> Ami visits became too hard; but a wonderful neighbor started taking >> Jo-Anne on long walks (she made herself available with just an hours >> notice, on the days Jo-Anne awoke in time); by late fall of 2018, >> Jo-Anne could walk 10 blocks (mostly on her own) with her neighbor >> friend (who Jo-Anne now recognized, and appreciated). By 2019, Jo-Anne >> rarely spoke phrases, but still understood quite well, and could answer >> (repeated) questions. We listened to podcasts as we ate, and she'd >> laugh at jokes, and exclaim about global warming news (guiding my >> selection of the podcasts we'd listen to). Three months before her >> death, I went in to the bedroom to see if she was awake, and she gave me >> a big smile, and said "I've been waiting for you!": She was still >> laughing at my jokes and foibles, full of smiles, always wanted to have >> her smartphone strapped to her arm so she could listen to music >> (sometimes tapping her feet). In her last few months, it took 3 >> (wonderful) neighbors to take her for a walk; but she always liked it, >> liked seeing the flowers and animals, wanted to continue even as she >> wore out her brain trying to consciously control her leg muscles. Even >> in her last month, she still recognized and loved/appreciated old >> friends, enjoying hanging out with people, laughed and smiled. Her last >> decade could have been so much worse, and was wonderful in many ways. >> It was an honor and privilege to take care of her, and I've grown so >> much in the process. >> >> Jo-Anne was courageous. As a teenager, she and her best friend Laurel >> setup camp near a cliff, and found themselves cornered by adult bears >> with cubs: They banged away on their metal cups with their spoons, until >> the bears trundled away. Another time, Jo-Anne and I were walking a >> trail in Big Sur: Jo-Anne jumped a couple of feet into the air to get >> away from a rattlesnake (she was very athletic), but was otherwise >> unperturbed. Another time, we parked in a back alley of the old Whiskey >> Gulch in East Palo Alto (where my first non-profit got started), so I >> could finish my work before driving to Yosemite; Jo-Anne heard a noise, >> went outside to check our van, found that a suitcase had been stolen, >> then chased after the thief (in the dark): She found him rummaging >> through the suitcase's contents, yelled at him to chase him away, then >> fetched the suitcase and contents and brought them back. This >> courageousness helped our journey with Alzheimer's: Jo-Anne was always >> willing to do most anything for researchers; or to try most anything to >> fight the disease, to try to slow-down or overcome the ravages. >> >> In decades past, people who met Jo-Anne usually noticed that she was >> nice and friendly. If they saw more of her, they might realize she was >> thoughtful/perceptive about people (she was active in a group of people >> who did peer-counseling; one of our friends told me she was his best >> counselor). And she was very helpful. When her ex-husband's brother >> was going through hard times, Jo-Anne let him live in her house for many >> months. Jo-Anne regularly visited a schizophrenic friend, for years >> (ignoring his verbal "advances"); she even went to court to prevent >> California from making him a "ward of the state". >> >> People who spent time talking to Jo-Anne would also realize how smart >> she was. She was an amazing person. I called her a "Renaissance >> woman": She'd done so many things, and could teach herself to do most >> anything ... >> >> Jo-Anne realized she had picked up racism towards Latinos from her >> mother: So she took Spanish classes, then lived in Central America for >> half a year; she saw Nicaraguans fighting against an oppressive >> dictator, and came home with a strong appreciation for how hard peasants >> had to work to support their families. During the '80's, she worked >> hard to prevent the Reagan and Bush administrations from intervening >> militarily against Central Americans' struggle for popular control of >> their own countries. She was coordinator for a college group (that did >> lobbying, and organized speaking events and demonstrations), helped run >> a political radio program, led a prominent human rights lawyer on a >> national speaking tour, co-edited a scholarly book, lobbied at the >> Democratic National Convention in San Francisco, lobbied her >> Congressional representative (the delegation made his hands sweat :-). >> One of the culminations of this work was her creation of CARNet (a >> Spanish "pun"; it stands for Central America Resource Network), as a >> subset of PeaceNet (that I helped create). She interned with various DC >> pressure groups to teach them how to put their information into the >> bulletin boards she created for each Central American country, and >> helped them build communication channels with grassroots organizations >> (so the DC groups could align legislative lobbying with local activism; >> I now consult for a human rights organization, and its "forefather" used >> to regularly download information from CARNet). She spent months in >> Nicaragua (while the US was waging the Contra war against the country), >> helping create Nicarao (a system like PeaceNet). She traveled up and >> down Central America teaching NGOs (in Spanish) how to use Nicarao's >> email and bulletins boards (over 2400 baud modems ?!); when she arrived >> back in Managua, they took one look at her and said "you've got >> hepatitis, you have to go home". >> >> In the '90's (just as her cognition was starting to decline from the >> disease), she held jobs where she taught herself how to write >> spreadsheet macros and build database applications. One weekend I flew >> off on a business trip, and when I came home she'd replaced the furnace >> (including hooking-up the gas line, and replacing/insulating the >> ducting) - I don't know how she did it! Then she spent 5 years doing >> all the logistics to bring techies from all the most underdeveloped >> countries (using all 4 languages she spoke) to a central location (the >> place where ISoc, the Internet Society, would have their annual >> meeting), so volunteers could teach the techies how to connect their >> countries to the Internet; we have lots of wonderful knickknacks that >> the mostly-young techies gave to her, she was sort-of their den mother. >> By the end of that 5 year period, she told a friend that the work got >> harder each year: She was already aware that her cognition was >> declining, but she thought it was hormonal issues from menopause (she >> had serious hot flashes). As she had more and more difficulty doing the >> myriad of required tasks, she didn't get much support from the >> administrative folks who ran the conferences (nor from me, one of my big >> regrets in life) ... but one lefty techie believed in her, and hired her >> to run a workshop in South Africa (where she mentored some local woman, >> so they could run future workshops themselves - they probably helped >> Jo-Anne with tasks that had become harder for her). And when the ISoc >> conference came back to SF a few years later, all the techies were glad >> to see her; so she hired a full-size bus plus driver, and narrated a >> tour of San Francisco for them (I was her guinea pig on a dry run, and >> she did a great job!). >> >> In the '00's, Jo-Anne did computer consulting for a friend who ran a >> travel agency, including building a website that would collect contact >> info (she taught herself to do all this). And she became a serious >> volunteer at the local community cable TV studio: She was the 3rd most >> active volunteer for a number of years in a row, winning awards at their >> annual dinner. She did computer graphics, sound, camera, directing, the >> works. As her memory got worse: First she stopped directing; then she >> stopped doing computer graphics; and finally, she had to stop doing >> camera, because she'd immediately forget cues from the director (this >> was around the time she was diagnosed with Mild Cognitive Impairment, >> mid-2006). >> >> I recently stumbled upon the best illustration of Jo-Anne as Renaissance >> woman. As I was gleaning distinctive documents from her office, I came >> across lots of leaflets from the plays put on by her community-theater >> group in the '70's; as I scanned the leaflets, I realized that Jo-Anne >> filled the roles of actor, singer, dancer, player of piano and >> Renaissance stringed instruments, director, producer, set designer, >> bookkeeper, etc. You wanted Jo-Anne in your group! >> >> I'm co-chair and citizen scientist for the Community Advisory Board of >> Stanford 's Alzheimer's Disease Research Center. They recently filmed >> me as caregiver: I described our life together, how I developed skills >> and adaptations as Jo-Anne's dementia got worse, and then I walked >> around the house showing accommodations I made and describing the >> techniques I used - they hope to use this material to produce a film for >> training med students. We tried to arrange filming me taking care of >> Jo-Anne, but we weren't able to schedule it in time. [I wondered >> whether it was appropriate to film me taking care of Jo-Anne's personal >> care, which involves nudity, for which I couldn't get functional assent >> from her ... until I remembered that Jo-Anne spent many nights dancing >> nude in one of her community-theater plays :-]. >> >> My heart is wounded, and my identities are scrambled: It's going to take >> me a while to rebuild myself, with a lot more crying as part of the >> process (I got a headache from crying the first day, so I've started >> using the electrolyte sticks I used for Jo-Anne the last few weeks, as >> her meals became more limited). But I'm otherwise in pretty good shape, >> dealing with the myriad things that have to be dealt with, getting calls >> and visits from loving friends and family, and using >> computer-programming and movie-watching to take a break from my >> emotional life (getting to sleep the night she died was hard: As I would >> fall asleep a couple of times, I'd suddenly wake up with the realization >> that my identities were shredded, it wasn't clear who I was anymore, >> there was a Jo-Anne sized hole in my being). >> >> I hope you're all doing better than me :-> But I'm doing pretty well, >> all things considered. [I feel lucky that Jo-Anne taught me how to deal >> with my emotional being; many of the best parts of me are from her, >> she's a part of me.] I'm getting so many loving/supportive/affirming >> visits/hugs, calls, and emails (which typically lead to little bits of >> healthy crying ... a sort of episodic mini-therapy). >> >> My two siblings each spent a week helping me declutter and downsize the >> house a year ago. That will make it much easier for me to turn the >> house from "our house" into "my house", the first part of building my >> new life. >> >> -scott >> >> p.s. Feel free to share this email with anyone who remembers Jo-Anne, or >> who is struggling with dementia in their family. >> >> >> On 17 Aug 2019, at 3:53, George Sadowsky wrote: >> >> I'm very sad to hear of Jo-Anne Scott's passing. She was a good >> colleague and a good friend. >> >> I first met Jo-Anne at a meeting in Palo Alto in September 1992, hosted >> by Steve From and Scott Weikert. A few months before that, I had discussed >> with Larry Landweber at INET'92 in Kobe the possibility of setting up a >> training program in Internet technology and use for people from developing >> countries. In the 1970s and 1980s, I worked for the United Nations and was >> involved in many technology transfer programs in the area of computing, and >> I had seen to my dismay the state of technical knowledge, education, and >> resources in most of the countries in which I had worked. Larry suggested >> giving it a try. Steve Fram was one of the early collaborators, and we were >> meeting in his office in Palo Alto to do the initial planning. >> >> Jo-Anne attended the meeting, I had not known her before, but her >> enthusiasm for the project and solving logistical aspects of making it >> happen were contagious, so we became the initial band of co-conspirators >> for what became ISOC's network technologies training program for people >> from developing countries. Since INET'93 was planned for San Francisco >> in August 1993, we decided to hold the training workshop in the Silicon >> Valley just before the INET meeting, and then have the trainees participate >> also in that meeting. We believe that the latter step was important in >> introducing them to the people we hoped would be their future Internet >> colleagues and would assist them in the developments in their own countries. >> >> At the time I was working at New York University and was not situated to >> assist in local preparation for the workshop. Joanne lived in Palo Alto, >> and she believed that she could work with Stanford University to provide >> lodging, classroom space, and meals for the trainees and trainers during >> August 1993. She set about to do it with a vigor, enthusiasm, and >> initiative that characterized her contributions to the workshop for the >> next five years.. She convinced the University to provide dormitory space, >> meal arrangements,and suitable classroom space for the entire process, and >> she coordinated all of the preparatory work, including the procurement, >> delivery, and set up for a large number of personal computers to be used >> by the three training tracks. She also arranged for several social events >> in the evenings to foster a sense of professional community among the >> attendees, as well as to meet local people who lived in the Palo Alto area. >> I remember her setting up a fireside chat with Vint Cerf one evening, which >> resulted in a spirited discussion of the potential of the Internet and the >> importance of what it could provide for development. >> >> At the end of INET' 93, Jo-Anne and I had dinner with the INET'94 >> conference chair, and after reviewing the success of our workshop, we >> decided to do it again, a decision that was repeated for several years >> after that. Although it may not have been clear to the workshop >> participants, the amount of logistical preparation required to set up the >> Prague workshop in 1994 was immense. Only a few years had elapsed since the >> erosion of the iron curtain and the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and >> Czechoslovakia was in a rapid state of change. Joanne cooperated with the >> Czech Technical University to find space for housing in the Hotel Krystal, >> a tram ride away from the University buildings in which staff would be >> teaching the four tracks. The Hotel Krystal even had a computer lab with >> 24 computers, connected to the Internet via a low-bandwidth permanent >> connection. During the workshop, Jo-Anne learned that our Hotel Krystal >> had only been a hotel for a few years and before that it had been the >> training institute for the Czech secret police. We wondered how many >> microphones were still installed in various parts of the building, >> including the sleeping rooms. Jo-Anne also discovered the "Chicago Pizza >> House" (not a typo!) in an underground warren near the hotel, where we >> went for relief several times to escape the rich Czech food offerings. >> >> Jo-Anne continued to participate actively in and support the workshop >> activities in 1995 in Honolulu, in 1996 in Montréal and in 1997 in Kuala >> Lumpur. In 1994 she discovered the local travel agent in Palo Alto, Maria >> Orvell, who worked with Joanne and together they became accomplished in >> bringing people from all parts of the world to wherever the next INET >> meeting was going to be held. >> >> The process of choosing and assisting participants to attend the >> workshops was extensive. Applications were solicited through a number of >> channels, including disseminating information by participants in formal >> workshops. These all came to Jo-Anne and she prepared them for evaluation >> by a committee consisting of the teaching staff for the next workshop. >> After that, the complex process of distributing the financial resources >> that we were able to obtain, ascertaining the possibility of visas and >> helping participants to obtain them (including making intercessions with >> the host country), and making flight arrangements, and this generally had >> to be performed individually for each participant. The logistics process >> took a lot of time andinitiative, and Joanne was able to do it, always in >> time to meet our deadlines. >> >> Jo-Anne was a true partner. She embodied the spirit of the Internet, >> helping, sharing, supporting, and giving of herself so that others might >> learn and in turn share with a new with others in their country. She >> believed strongly in the Internet's ability to help people in earlier >> stages of development, and she gave herself fully to the task. Many >> workshop participants saw her correctly as fundamental to the success of >> their experience. I'm glad that she lived long enough to observe the >> benefits of her contribution to global Internet development, but very sad >> that she was not able to continue to do so. She will be missed. >> >> George >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> George Sadowsky Residence tel: >> +1.301.968.4325 >> 8300 Burdette Road, Apt B >> -472 >> Mobile: +1.202.415.1933 >> Bethesda MD 20817-2831 USA Skype: >> sadowsky >> george.sadowsky at gmail.com http://www.georgesadowsky.org/ >> >> >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: > > >> List help: >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sat Aug 17 03:35:37 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Nadira Alaraj (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 10:35:37 +0300 Subject: [governance] Jo-Anne Scott remembered In-Reply-To: <942DF809-D5D0-432E-BF7B-72A4A17D1A59@apnic.net> References: <515DE3AD-3E51-424C-BAE0-A21CAE957DEF@gmail.com> <942DF809-D5D0-432E-BF7B-72A4A17D1A59@apnic.net> Message-ID: Thank George and Paul for sharing the life of Jo-Anne. May she rest in peace. Unfortunately, I never met Jo-Anne, but was part of one of INET experience that I've learned about html over secure connection. Reading about Jo-Anne and the amazing life she lead until the last year of her struggle deserve the recognition for being an authentic role model of human rights in making those in underserved regions connected. My sympathies to all of you who knew Jo-Anne. Nadira AL-Araj On Sat, Aug 17, 2019, 02:38 Paul Wilson wrote: > Thanks for this George. > > Jo-Anne’s partner, Scott Weikart, write this beautiful, more personal > account, of life and her final days. He’s happy to have it shared in her > memory, especially for those who struggle in any way with Alzheimer’s. > > I really hope to see Jo-Anne recognised in ISOC’s Hall of Fame; she was a > pioneer. > > Paul. > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > Subject: (mostly) sad news > Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 16:19:11 -0700 > From: Scott Weikart > > I have (mostly) sad news: Jo-Anne Scott died unexpectedly (on Sunday, > July 14, 2019), at home in her own bed, clutching her green stuffed > hippo to her neck for comfort. I say "mostly sad", because it was a > good time to die: She declined significantly over the previous month, > from her severe Alzheimer's disease. She had started sleeping all day > long, and then lost the use of her legs (on the few days she didn't > sleep all day long, I used her Hoyer lift (personal crane) to put her in > her wheelchair, so I could take her out to sit on the front porch; but I > had to wrap her gait belt around her armpits and the back of the chair, > to prevent her head from ending up in her knees). Along with the > physical decline, she declined mentally: Her interaction with the people > around her became much more limited. > > In retrospect (if I'd known she was on the verge of dying), I would have > spent more time sitting with her and consoling/stroking her the last > couple of her days: but I take solace in all I was able to do 'for' and > 'with' her over the last decade (and her PCP's comment that I was a > better caregiver than the professionals; and her neurologist's comment > that "You set the bar, in my experience, for loving, flexible, creative > caregiving; I am grateful to you for those years of hard, patient work: > You did really well by her"). [I was able to get her body to Stanford > in time for her brain to be preserved for the research study in which > she participated: She really appreciated being a research guinea pig, to > help prevent future generations from experiencing her disease.] > > Jo-Anne's best friend Laurel (50 years!) had driven down 3 weeks > earlier, and two friends dropped by; I had to wake Jo-Anne for the > visit, but she was relatively alert, and enjoyed Laurel's Samoyed puppy > (see attached picture; the second picture is Jo-Anne gazing lovingly at > Laurel). Laurel and I have shared the sadness of Jo-Anne's death, and > also good remembrances; Laurel offered the perspective that we were a > good match for each other, and Jo-Anne was lucky to have me over the > last decade and last year (in the days after, friends and siblings have > said the same, a comfort). One night, Laurel and I spent a couple of > hours emailing back and forth with the insights/changes we'd gained from > our closeness with Jo-Anne (which was not conducive to a good night's > sleep :-) ... when I saw her the next day, I couldn't get enough > physical contact with her. > > Jo-Anne was diagnosed with very-mild Alzheimer's disease 10 years > earlier (after 3 years of substantial short-term memory loss; in fact, > her cognitive impairment literally started around 1990: The disease > starts early, and grows slowly). Our journey together with her > Alzheimer's disease was hard, but our life together was good, and our > love deepened. Up until 3 years ago, Jo-Anne could still spend her day > bicycling all over town by herself (which she loved, and always wanted > to do), festooned with tracking devices (occasionally, I'd see she was > headed away from home late in the day, and I'd hop on my bike and chase > after her). I attached a picture of us that a friend took, when we'd > just biked to a local event. We often took our bikes on Caltrain to San > Francisco, biked up to Golden Gate Park, and spent the day in the > science museum (Jo-Anne loved nature, and turned me into a nature > lover). Then Jo-Anne started spending 3 days a week at (wonderful) > Rosener House, doing all kinds of activities with fellow folks with > dementia (in her first year there, the staff would send new folks to > hang out with her, because she was engaging). When she couldn't > reliably follow me on her bike, we got a tandem bike, and biked back and > forth to Rosener House together (with a long bike ride home at the end > of the day: Frequent, extended aerobic exercise is the best thing you > can do for your brain). In early 2018, Jo-Anne started sleeping much > longer, so she could no longer attend Rosener House; soon after, she > started having trouble walking. Then Jo-Anne acquired a fearless > companion (she was not bothered by my warning that Jo-Anne once stepped > on my foot and broke a toe) from Mon Ami (whose new techie is Steve > Fram, ex-Technical Director at IGC!), who got Jo-Anne back into walking, > and setup Jo-Anne's smartphone so she could listen to 70's rock-and-roll > and soul music. Jo-Anne's sleep got even more erratic, so planning Mon > Ami visits became too hard; but a wonderful neighbor started taking > Jo-Anne on long walks (she made herself available with just an hours > notice, on the days Jo-Anne awoke in time); by late fall of 2018, > Jo-Anne could walk 10 blocks (mostly on her own) with her neighbor > friend (who Jo-Anne now recognized, and appreciated). By 2019, Jo-Anne > rarely spoke phrases, but still understood quite well, and could answer > (repeated) questions. We listened to podcasts as we ate, and she'd > laugh at jokes, and exclaim about global warming news (guiding my > selection of the podcasts we'd listen to). Three months before her > death, I went in to the bedroom to see if she was awake, and she gave me > a big smile, and said "I've been waiting for you!": She was still > laughing at my jokes and foibles, full of smiles, always wanted to have > her smartphone strapped to her arm so she could listen to music > (sometimes tapping her feet). In her last few months, it took 3 > (wonderful) neighbors to take her for a walk; but she always liked it, > liked seeing the flowers and animals, wanted to continue even as she > wore out her brain trying to consciously control her leg muscles. Even > in her last month, she still recognized and loved/appreciated old > friends, enjoying hanging out with people, laughed and smiled. Her last > decade could have been so much worse, and was wonderful in many ways. > It was an honor and privilege to take care of her, and I've grown so > much in the process. > > Jo-Anne was courageous. As a teenager, she and her best friend Laurel > setup camp near a cliff, and found themselves cornered by adult bears > with cubs: They banged away on their metal cups with their spoons, until > the bears trundled away. Another time, Jo-Anne and I were walking a > trail in Big Sur: Jo-Anne jumped a couple of feet into the air to get > away from a rattlesnake (she was very athletic), but was otherwise > unperturbed. Another time, we parked in a back alley of the old Whiskey > Gulch in East Palo Alto (where my first non-profit got started), so I > could finish my work before driving to Yosemite; Jo-Anne heard a noise, > went outside to check our van, found that a suitcase had been stolen, > then chased after the thief (in the dark): She found him rummaging > through the suitcase's contents, yelled at him to chase him away, then > fetched the suitcase and contents and brought them back. This > courageousness helped our journey with Alzheimer's: Jo-Anne was always > willing to do most anything for researchers; or to try most anything to > fight the disease, to try to slow-down or overcome the ravages. > > In decades past, people who met Jo-Anne usually noticed that she was > nice and friendly. If they saw more of her, they might realize she was > thoughtful/perceptive about people (she was active in a group of people > who did peer-counseling; one of our friends told me she was his best > counselor). And she was very helpful. When her ex-husband's brother > was going through hard times, Jo-Anne let him live in her house for many > months. Jo-Anne regularly visited a schizophrenic friend, for years > (ignoring his verbal "advances"); she even went to court to prevent > California from making him a "ward of the state". > > People who spent time talking to Jo-Anne would also realize how smart > she was. She was an amazing person. I called her a "Renaissance > woman": She'd done so many things, and could teach herself to do most > anything ... > > Jo-Anne realized she had picked up racism towards Latinos from her > mother: So she took Spanish classes, then lived in Central America for > half a year; she saw Nicaraguans fighting against an oppressive > dictator, and came home with a strong appreciation for how hard peasants > had to work to support their families. During the '80's, she worked > hard to prevent the Reagan and Bush administrations from intervening > militarily against Central Americans' struggle for popular control of > their own countries. She was coordinator for a college group (that did > lobbying, and organized speaking events and demonstrations), helped run > a political radio program, led a prominent human rights lawyer on a > national speaking tour, co-edited a scholarly book, lobbied at the > Democratic National Convention in San Francisco, lobbied her > Congressional representative (the delegation made his hands sweat :-). > One of the culminations of this work was her creation of CARNet (a > Spanish "pun"; it stands for Central America Resource Network), as a > subset of PeaceNet (that I helped create). She interned with various DC > pressure groups to teach them how to put their information into the > bulletin boards she created for each Central American country, and > helped them build communication channels with grassroots organizations > (so the DC groups could align legislative lobbying with local activism; > I now consult for a human rights organization, and its "forefather" used > to regularly download information from CARNet). She spent months in > Nicaragua (while the US was waging the Contra war against the country), > helping create Nicarao (a system like PeaceNet). She traveled up and > down Central America teaching NGOs (in Spanish) how to use Nicarao's > email and bulletins boards (over 2400 baud modems ?!); when she arrived > back in Managua, they took one look at her and said "you've got > hepatitis, you have to go home". > > In the '90's (just as her cognition was starting to decline from the > disease), she held jobs where she taught herself how to write > spreadsheet macros and build database applications. One weekend I flew > off on a business trip, and when I came home she'd replaced the furnace > (including hooking-up the gas line, and replacing/insulating the > ducting) - I don't know how she did it! Then she spent 5 years doing > all the logistics to bring techies from all the most underdeveloped > countries (using all 4 languages she spoke) to a central location (the > place where ISoc, the Internet Society, would have their annual > meeting), so volunteers could teach the techies how to connect their > countries to the Internet; we have lots of wonderful knickknacks that > the mostly-young techies gave to her, she was sort-of their den mother. > By the end of that 5 year period, she told a friend that the work got > harder each year: She was already aware that her cognition was > declining, but she thought it was hormonal issues from menopause (she > had serious hot flashes). As she had more and more difficulty doing the > myriad of required tasks, she didn't get much support from the > administrative folks who ran the conferences (nor from me, one of my big > regrets in life) ... but one lefty techie believed in her, and hired her > to run a workshop in South Africa (where she mentored some local woman, > so they could run future workshops themselves - they probably helped > Jo-Anne with tasks that had become harder for her). And when the ISoc > conference came back to SF a few years later, all the techies were glad > to see her; so she hired a full-size bus plus driver, and narrated a > tour of San Francisco for them (I was her guinea pig on a dry run, and > she did a great job!). > > In the '00's, Jo-Anne did computer consulting for a friend who ran a > travel agency, including building a website that would collect contact > info (she taught herself to do all this). And she became a serious > volunteer at the local community cable TV studio: She was the 3rd most > active volunteer for a number of years in a row, winning awards at their > annual dinner. She did computer graphics, sound, camera, directing, the > works. As her memory got worse: First she stopped directing; then she > stopped doing computer graphics; and finally, she had to stop doing > camera, because she'd immediately forget cues from the director (this > was around the time she was diagnosed with Mild Cognitive Impairment, > mid-2006). > > I recently stumbled upon the best illustration of Jo-Anne as Renaissance > woman. As I was gleaning distinctive documents from her office, I came > across lots of leaflets from the plays put on by her community-theater > group in the '70's; as I scanned the leaflets, I realized that Jo-Anne > filled the roles of actor, singer, dancer, player of piano and > Renaissance stringed instruments, director, producer, set designer, > bookkeeper, etc. You wanted Jo-Anne in your group! > > I'm co-chair and citizen scientist for the Community Advisory Board of > Stanford 's Alzheimer's Disease Research Center. They recently filmed > me as caregiver: I described our life together, how I developed skills > and adaptations as Jo-Anne's dementia got worse, and then I walked > around the house showing accommodations I made and describing the > techniques I used - they hope to use this material to produce a film for > training med students. We tried to arrange filming me taking care of > Jo-Anne, but we weren't able to schedule it in time. [I wondered > whether it was appropriate to film me taking care of Jo-Anne's personal > care, which involves nudity, for which I couldn't get functional assent > from her ... until I remembered that Jo-Anne spent many nights dancing > nude in one of her community-theater plays :-]. > > My heart is wounded, and my identities are scrambled: It's going to take > me a while to rebuild myself, with a lot more crying as part of the > process (I got a headache from crying the first day, so I've started > using the electrolyte sticks I used for Jo-Anne the last few weeks, as > her meals became more limited). But I'm otherwise in pretty good shape, > dealing with the myriad things that have to be dealt with, getting calls > and visits from loving friends and family, and using > computer-programming and movie-watching to take a break from my > emotional life (getting to sleep the night she died was hard: As I would > fall asleep a couple of times, I'd suddenly wake up with the realization > that my identities were shredded, it wasn't clear who I was anymore, > there was a Jo-Anne sized hole in my being). > > I hope you're all doing better than me :-> But I'm doing pretty well, > all things considered. [I feel lucky that Jo-Anne taught me how to deal > with my emotional being; many of the best parts of me are from her, > she's a part of me.] I'm getting so many loving/supportive/affirming > visits/hugs, calls, and emails (which typically lead to little bits of > healthy crying ... a sort of episodic mini-therapy). > > My two siblings each spent a week helping me declutter and downsize the > house a year ago. That will make it much easier for me to turn the > house from "our house" into "my house", the first part of building my > new life. > > -scott > > p.s. Feel free to share this email with anyone who remembers Jo-Anne, or > who is struggling with dementia in their family. > > > On 17 Aug 2019, at 3:53, George Sadowsky wrote: > > I'm very sad to hear of Jo-Anne Scott's passing. She was a good colleague > and a good friend. > > I first met Jo-Anne at a meeting in Palo Alto in September 1992, hosted by > Steve From and Scott Weikert. A few months before that, I had discussed > with Larry Landweber at INET'92 in Kobe the possibility of setting up a > training program in Internet technology and use for people from developing > countries. In the 1970s and 1980s, I worked for the United Nations and was > involved in many technology transfer programs in the area of computing, and > I had seen to my dismay the state of technical knowledge, education, and > resources in most of the countries in which I had worked. Larry suggested > giving it a try. Steve Fram was one of the early collaborators, and we were > meeting in his office in Palo Alto to do the initial planning. > > Jo-Anne attended the meeting, I had not known her before, but her > enthusiasm for the project and solving logistical aspects of making it > happen were contagious, so we became the initial band of co-conspirators > for what became ISOC's network technologies training program for people > from developing countries. Since INET'93 was planned for San Francisco > in August 1993, we decided to hold the training workshop in the Silicon > Valley just before the INET meeting, and then have the trainees participate > also in that meeting. We believe that the latter step was important in > introducing them to the people we hoped would be their future Internet > colleagues and would assist them in the developments in their own countries. > > At the time I was working at New York University and was not situated to > assist in local preparation for the workshop. Joanne lived in Palo Alto, > and she believed that she could work with Stanford University to provide > lodging, classroom space, and meals for the trainees and trainers during > August 1993. She set about to do it with a vigor, enthusiasm, and > initiative that characterized her contributions to the workshop for the > next five years.. She convinced the University to provide dormitory space, > meal arrangements,and suitable classroom space for the entire process, and > she coordinated all of the preparatory work, including the procurement, > delivery, and set up for a large number of personal computers to be used > by the three training tracks. She also arranged for several social events > in the evenings to foster a sense of professional community among the > attendees, as well as to meet local people who lived in the Palo Alto area. > I remember her setting up a fireside chat with Vint Cerf one evening, which > resulted in a spirited discussion of the potential of the Internet and the > importance of what it could provide for development. > > At the end of INET' 93, Jo-Anne and I had dinner with the INET'94 > conference chair, and after reviewing the success of our workshop, we > decided to do it again, a decision that was repeated for several years > after that. Although it may not have been clear to the workshop > participants, the amount of logistical preparation required to set up the > Prague workshop in 1994 was immense. Only a few years had elapsed since the > erosion of the iron curtain and the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and > Czechoslovakia was in a rapid state of change. Joanne cooperated with the > Czech Technical University to find space for housing in the Hotel Krystal, > a tram ride away from the University buildings in which staff would be > teaching the four tracks. The Hotel Krystal even had a computer lab with > 24 computers, connected to the Internet via a low-bandwidth permanent > connection. During the workshop, Jo-Anne learned that our Hotel Krystal > had only been a hotel for a few years and before that it had been the > training institute for the Czech secret police. We wondered how many > microphones were still installed in various parts of the building, > including the sleeping rooms. Jo-Anne also discovered the "Chicago Pizza > House" (not a typo!) in an underground warren near the hotel, where we > went for relief several times to escape the rich Czech food offerings. > > Jo-Anne continued to participate actively in and support the workshop > activities in 1995 in Honolulu, in 1996 in Montréal and in 1997 in Kuala > Lumpur. In 1994 she discovered the local travel agent in Palo Alto, Maria > Orvell, who worked with Joanne and together they became accomplished in > bringing people from all parts of the world to wherever the next INET > meeting was going to be held. > > The process of choosing and assisting participants to attend the workshops > was extensive. Applications were solicited through a number of channels, > including disseminating information by participants in formal workshops. > These all came to Jo-Anne and she prepared them for evaluation by a > committee consisting of the teaching staff for the next workshop. After > that, the complex process of distributing the financial resources that we > were able to obtain, ascertaining the possibility of visas and helping > participants to obtain them (including making intercessions with the host > country), and making flight arrangements, and this generally had to be > performed individually for each participant. The logistics process took a > lot of time andinitiative, and Joanne was able to do it, always in time to > meet our deadlines. > > Jo-Anne was a true partner. She embodied the spirit of the Internet, > helping, sharing, supporting, and giving of herself so that others might > learn and in turn share with a new with others in their country. She > believed strongly in the Internet's ability to help people in earlier > stages of development, and she gave herself fully to the task. Many > workshop participants saw her correctly as fundamental to the success of > their experience. I'm glad that she lived long enough to observe the > benefits of her contribution to global Internet development, but very sad > that she was not able to continue to do so. She will be missed. > > George > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > George Sadowsky Residence tel: > +1.301.968.4325 > 8300 Burdette Road, Apt B-472 Mobile: > +1.202.415.1933 > Bethesda MD 20817-2831 USA Skype: > sadowsky > george.sadowsky at gmail.com http://www.georgesadowsky.org/ > > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sat Aug 17 14:27:24 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Fatimata Seye Sylla (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 18:27:24 +0000 Subject: [governance] Jo-Anne Scott remembered In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please accept my condolences George. May Jo-Anne rest in peace. Fatimata Le ven. 16 août 2019 à 15:58, George Sadowsky a écrit : > > I'm very sad to hear of Jo-Anne Scott's passing. She was a good colleague > and At 1145 a good friend. > > I first met Jo-Anne at a meeting in Palo Alto in September 1992, hosted by > Steve From and Scott Weikert. A few months before that, I had discussed > with Larry Landweber at INET'92 in Kobe the possibility of setting up a > training program in Internet technology and use for people from developing > countries. In the 1970s and 1980s, I worked for the United Nations and was > involved in many technology transfer programs in the area of computing, and > I had seen to my dismay the state of technical knowledge, education, and > resources in most of the countries in which I had worked. Larry suggested > giving it a try. Steve Fram was one of the early collaborators, and we were > meeting in his office in Palo Alto to do the initial planning. > > Jo-Anne attended the meeting, I had not known her before, but her > enthusiasm for the project and solving logistical aspects of making it > happen were contagious, so we became the initial band of co-conspirators > for what became ISOC's network technologies training program for people > from developing countries. Since INET'93 was planned for San Francisco > in August 1993, we decided to hold the training workshop in the Silicon > Valley just before the INET meeting, and then have the trainees participate > also in that meeting. We believe that the latter step was important in > introducing them to the people we hoped would be their future Internet > colleagues and would assist them in the developments in their own countries. > > At the time I was working at New York University and was not situated to > assist in local preparation for the workshop. Joanne lived in Palo Alto, > and she believed that she could work with Stanford University to provide > lodging, classroom space, and meals for the trainees and trainers during > August 1993. She set about to do it with a vigor, enthusiasm, and > initiative that characterized her contributions to the workshop for the > next five years.. She convinced the University to provide dormitory space, > meal arrangements,and suitable classroom space for the entire process, and > she coordinated all of the preparatory work, including the procurement, > delivery, and set up for a large number of personal computers to be used > by the three training tracks. She also arranged for several social events > in the evenings to foster a sense of professional community among the > attendees, as well as to meet local people who lived in the Palo Alto area. > I remember her setting up a fireside chat with Vint Cerf one evening, which > resulted in a spirited discussion of the potential of the Internet and the > importance of what it could provide for development. > > At the end of INET' 93, Jo-Anne and I had dinner with the INET'94 > conference chair, and after reviewing the success of our workshop, we > decided to do it again, a decision that was repeated for several years > after that. Although it may not have been clear to the workshop > participants, the amount of logistical preparation required to set up the > Prague workshop in 1994 was immense. Only a few years had elapsed since the > erosion of the iron curtain and the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and > Czechoslovakia was in a rapid state of change. Joanne cooperated with the > Czech Technical University to find space for housing in the Hotel Krystal, > a tram ride away from the University buildings in which staff would be > teaching the four tracks. The Hotel Krystal even had a computer lab with > 24 computers, connected to the Internet via a low-bandwidth permanent > connection. During the workshop, Jo-Anne learned that our Hotel Krystal > had only been a hotel for a few years and before that it had been the > training institute for the Czech secret police. We wondered how many > microphones were still installed in various parts of the building, > including the sleeping rooms. Jo-Anne also discovered the "Chicago Pizza > House" (not a typo!) in an underground warren near the hotel, where we > went for relief several times to escape the rich Czech food offerings. > > Jo-Anne continued to participate actively in and support the workshop > activities in 1995 in Honolulu, in 1996 in Montréal and in 1997 in Kuala > Lumpur. In 1994 she discovered the local travel agent in Palo Alto, Maria > Orvell, who worked with Joanne and together they became accomplished in > bringing people from all parts of the world to wherever the next INET > meeting was going to be held. > > The process of choosing and assisting participants to attend the workshops > was extensive. Applications were solicited through a number of channels, > including disseminating information by participants in formal workshops. > These all came to Jo-Anne and she prepared them for evaluation by a > committee consisting of the teaching staff for the next workshop. After > that, the complex process of distributing the financial resources that we > were able to obtain, ascertaining the possibility of visas and helping > participants to obtain them (including making intercessions with the host > country), and making flight arrangements, and this generally had to be > performed individually for each participant. The logistics process took a > lot of time andinitiative, and Joanne was able to do it, always in time to > meet our deadlines. > > Jo-Anne was a true partner. She embodied the spirit of the Internet, > helping, sharing, supporting, and giving of herself so that others might > learn and in turn share with a new with others in their country. She > believed strongly in the Internet's ability to help people in earlier > stages of development, and she gave herself fully to the task. Many > workshop participants saw her correctly as fundamental to the success of > their experience. I'm glad that she lived long enough to observe the > benefits of her contribution to global Internet development, but very sad > that she was not able to continue to do so. She will be missed. > > George > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > George Sadowsky Residence tel: > +1.301.968.4325 > 8300 Burdette Road, Apt B-472 Mobile: > +1.202.415.1933 > Bethesda MD 20817-2831 USA Skype: > sadowsky > george.sadowsky at gmail.com http://www.georgesadowsky.org/ > > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- Fatimata Seye Sylla ICT4D, Education & Genre -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sat Aug 17 17:57:35 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Carlos Afonso (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 18:57:35 -0300 Subject: [governance] Jo-Anne Scott remembered In-Reply-To: <942DF809-D5D0-432E-BF7B-72A4A17D1A59@apnic.net> References: <515DE3AD-3E51-424C-BAE0-A21CAE957DEF@gmail.com> <942DF809-D5D0-432E-BF7B-72A4A17D1A59@apnic.net> Message-ID: <148bd225-a4ab-9dec-d7e9-7c81e2572179@cafonso.ca> Dear Paul & all, words fail me on this. Read all the memoirs Enzo, Peter, George and others brought to the list with emotion. I will write Scott right now. fraternal regards --c.a. On 16/08/2019 20:38, Paul Wilson wrote: > Thanks for this George. > > Jo-Anne’s partner, Scott Weikart, write this beautiful, more personal > account, of life and her final days. He’s happy to have it shared in her > memory, especially for those who struggle in any way with Alzheimer’s. > > I really hope to see Jo-Anne recognised in ISOC’s Hall of Fame; she was > a pioneer. > > Paul. > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > Subject: (mostly) sad news > Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 16:19:11 -0700 > From: Scott Weikart > > I have (mostly) sad news: Jo-Anne Scott died unexpectedly (on Sunday, > July 14, 2019), at home in her own bed, clutching her green stuffed > hippo to her neck for comfort. I say "mostly sad", because it was a > good time to die: She declined significantly over the previous month, > from her severe Alzheimer's disease. She had started sleeping all day > long, and then lost the use of her legs (on the few days she didn't > sleep all day long, I used her Hoyer lift (personal crane) to put her in > her wheelchair, so I could take her out to sit on the front porch; but I > had to wrap her gait belt around her armpits and the back of the chair, > to prevent her head from ending up in her knees). Along with the > physical decline, she declined mentally: Her interaction with the people > around her became much more limited. > > In retrospect (if I'd known she was on the verge of dying), I would have > spent more time sitting with her and consoling/stroking her the last > couple of her days: but I take solace in all I was able to do 'for' and > 'with' her over the last decade (and her PCP's comment that I was a > better caregiver than the professionals; and her neurologist's comment > that "You set the bar, in my experience, for loving, flexible, creative > caregiving; I am grateful to you for those years of hard, patient work: > You did really well by her"). [I was able to get her body to Stanford > in time for her brain to be preserved for the research study in which > she participated: She really appreciated being a research guinea pig, to > help prevent future generations from experiencing her disease.] > > Jo-Anne's best friend Laurel (50 years!) had driven down 3 weeks > earlier, and two friends dropped by; I had to wake Jo-Anne for the > visit, but she was relatively alert, and enjoyed Laurel's Samoyed puppy > (see attached picture; the second picture is Jo-Anne gazing lovingly at > Laurel). Laurel and I have shared the sadness of Jo-Anne's death, and > also good remembrances; Laurel offered the perspective that we were a > good match for each other, and Jo-Anne was lucky to have me over the > last decade and last year (in the days after, friends and siblings have > said the same, a comfort). One night, Laurel and I spent a couple of > hours emailing back and forth with the insights/changes we'd gained from > our closeness with Jo-Anne (which was not conducive to a good night's > sleep :-) ... when I saw her the next day, I couldn't get enough > physical contact with her. > > Jo-Anne was diagnosed with very-mild Alzheimer's disease 10 years > earlier (after 3 years of substantial short-term memory loss; in fact, > her cognitive impairment literally started around 1990: The disease > starts early, and grows slowly). Our journey together with her > Alzheimer's disease was hard, but our life together was good, and our > love deepened. Up until 3 years ago, Jo-Anne could still spend her day > bicycling all over town by herself (which she loved, and always wanted > to do), festooned with tracking devices (occasionally, I'd see she was > headed away from home late in the day, and I'd hop on my bike and chase > after her). I attached a picture of us that a friend took, when we'd > just biked to a local event. We often took our bikes on Caltrain to San > Francisco, biked up to Golden Gate Park, and spent the day in the > science museum (Jo-Anne loved nature, and turned me into a nature > lover). Then Jo-Anne started spending 3 days a week at (wonderful) > Rosener House, doing all kinds of activities with fellow folks with > dementia (in her first year there, the staff would send new folks to > hang out with her, because she was engaging). When she couldn't > reliably follow me on her bike, we got a tandem bike, and biked back and > forth to Rosener House together (with a long bike ride home at the end > of the day: Frequent, extended aerobic exercise is the best thing you > can do for your brain). In early 2018, Jo-Anne started sleeping much > longer, so she could no longer attend Rosener House; soon after, she > started having trouble walking. Then Jo-Anne acquired a fearless > companion (she was not bothered by my warning that Jo-Anne once stepped > on my foot and broke a toe) from Mon Ami (whose new techie is Steve > Fram, ex-Technical Director at IGC!), who got Jo-Anne back into walking, > and setup Jo-Anne's smartphone so she could listen to 70's rock-and-roll > and soul music. Jo-Anne's sleep got even more erratic, so planning Mon > Ami visits became too hard; but a wonderful neighbor started taking > Jo-Anne on long walks (she made herself available with just an hours > notice, on the days Jo-Anne awoke in time); by late fall of 2018, > Jo-Anne could walk 10 blocks (mostly on her own) with her neighbor > friend (who Jo-Anne now recognized, and appreciated). By 2019, Jo-Anne > rarely spoke phrases, but still understood quite well, and could answer > (repeated) questions. We listened to podcasts as we ate, and she'd > laugh at jokes, and exclaim about global warming news (guiding my > selection of the podcasts we'd listen to). Three months before her > death, I went in to the bedroom to see if she was awake, and she gave me > a big smile, and said "I've been waiting for you!": She was still > laughing at my jokes and foibles, full of smiles, always wanted to have > her smartphone strapped to her arm so she could listen to music > (sometimes tapping her feet). In her last few months, it took 3 > (wonderful) neighbors to take her for a walk; but she always liked it, > liked seeing the flowers and animals, wanted to continue even as she > wore out her brain trying to consciously control her leg muscles. Even > in her last month, she still recognized and loved/appreciated old > friends, enjoying hanging out with people, laughed and smiled. Her last > decade could have been so much worse, and was wonderful in many ways. > It was an honor and privilege to take care of her, and I've grown so > much in the process. > > Jo-Anne was courageous. As a teenager, she and her best friend Laurel > setup camp near a cliff, and found themselves cornered by adult bears > with cubs: They banged away on their metal cups with their spoons, until > the bears trundled away. Another time, Jo-Anne and I were walking a > trail in Big Sur: Jo-Anne jumped a couple of feet into the air to get > away from a rattlesnake (she was very athletic), but was otherwise > unperturbed. Another time, we parked in a back alley of the old Whiskey > Gulch in East Palo Alto (where my first non-profit got started), so I > could finish my work before driving to Yosemite; Jo-Anne heard a noise, > went outside to check our van, found that a suitcase had been stolen, > then chased after the thief (in the dark): She found him rummaging > through the suitcase's contents, yelled at him to chase him away, then > fetched the suitcase and contents and brought them back. This > courageousness helped our journey with Alzheimer's: Jo-Anne was always > willing to do most anything for researchers; or to try most anything to > fight the disease, to try to slow-down or overcome the ravages. > > In decades past, people who met Jo-Anne usually noticed that she was > nice and friendly. If they saw more of her, they might realize she was > thoughtful/perceptive about people (she was active in a group of people > who did peer-counseling; one of our friends told me she was his best > counselor). And she was very helpful. When her ex-husband's brother > was going through hard times, Jo-Anne let him live in her house for many > months. Jo-Anne regularly visited a schizophrenic friend, for years > (ignoring his verbal "advances"); she even went to court to prevent > California from making him a "ward of the state". > > People who spent time talking to Jo-Anne would also realize how smart > she was. She was an amazing person. I called her a "Renaissance > woman": She'd done so many things, and could teach herself to do most > anything ... > > Jo-Anne realized she had picked up racism towards Latinos from her > mother: So she took Spanish classes, then lived in Central America for > half a year; she saw Nicaraguans fighting against an oppressive > dictator, and came home with a strong appreciation for how hard peasants > had to work to support their families. During the '80's, she worked > hard to prevent the Reagan and Bush administrations from intervening > militarily against Central Americans' struggle for popular control of > their own countries. She was coordinator for a college group (that did > lobbying, and organized speaking events and demonstrations), helped run > a political radio program, led a prominent human rights lawyer on a > national speaking tour, co-edited a scholarly book, lobbied at the > Democratic National Convention in San Francisco, lobbied her > Congressional representative (the delegation made his hands sweat :-). > One of the culminations of this work was her creation of CARNet (a > Spanish "pun"; it stands for Central America Resource Network), as a > subset of PeaceNet (that I helped create). She interned with various DC > pressure groups to teach them how to put their information into the > bulletin boards she created for each Central American country, and > helped them build communication channels with grassroots organizations > (so the DC groups could align legislative lobbying with local activism; > I now consult for a human rights organization, and its "forefather" used > to regularly download information from CARNet). She spent months in > Nicaragua (while the US was waging the Contra war against the country), > helping create Nicarao (a system like PeaceNet). She traveled up and > down Central America teaching NGOs (in Spanish) how to use Nicarao's > email and bulletins boards (over 2400 baud modems ?!); when she arrived > back in Managua, they took one look at her and said "you've got > hepatitis, you have to go home". > > In the '90's (just as her cognition was starting to decline from the > disease), she held jobs where she taught herself how to write > spreadsheet macros and build database applications. One weekend I flew > off on a business trip, and when I came home she'd replaced the furnace > (including hooking-up the gas line, and replacing/insulating the > ducting) - I don't know how she did it! Then she spent 5 years doing > all the logistics to bring techies from all the most underdeveloped > countries (using all 4 languages she spoke) to a central location (the > place where ISoc, the Internet Society, would have their annual > meeting), so volunteers could teach the techies how to connect their > countries to the Internet; we have lots of wonderful knickknacks that > the mostly-young techies gave to her, she was sort-of their den mother. > By the end of that 5 year period, she told a friend that the work got > harder each year: She was already aware that her cognition was > declining, but she thought it was hormonal issues from menopause (she > had serious hot flashes). As she had more and more difficulty doing the > myriad of required tasks, she didn't get much support from the > administrative folks who ran the conferences (nor from me, one of my big > regrets in life) ... but one lefty techie believed in her, and hired her > to run a workshop in South Africa (where she mentored some local woman, > so they could run future workshops themselves - they probably helped > Jo-Anne with tasks that had become harder for her). And when the ISoc > conference came back to SF a few years later, all the techies were glad > to see her; so she hired a full-size bus plus driver, and narrated a > tour of San Francisco for them (I was her guinea pig on a dry run, and > she did a great job!). > > In the '00's, Jo-Anne did computer consulting for a friend who ran a > travel agency, including building a website that would collect contact > info (she taught herself to do all this). And she became a serious > volunteer at the local community cable TV studio: She was the 3rd most > active volunteer for a number of years in a row, winning awards at their > annual dinner. She did computer graphics, sound, camera, directing, the > works. As her memory got worse: First she stopped directing; then she > stopped doing computer graphics; and finally, she had to stop doing > camera, because she'd immediately forget cues from the director (this > was around the time she was diagnosed with Mild Cognitive Impairment, > mid-2006). > > I recently stumbled upon the best illustration of Jo-Anne as Renaissance > woman. As I was gleaning distinctive documents from her office, I came > across lots of leaflets from the plays put on by her community-theater > group in the '70's; as I scanned the leaflets, I realized that Jo-Anne > filled the roles of actor, singer, dancer, player of piano and > Renaissance stringed instruments, director, producer, set designer, > bookkeeper, etc. You wanted Jo-Anne in your group! > > I'm co-chair and citizen scientist for the Community Advisory Board of > Stanford 's Alzheimer's Disease Research Center. They recently filmed > me as caregiver: I described our life together, how I developed skills > and adaptations as Jo-Anne's dementia got worse, and then I walked > around the house showing accommodations I made and describing the > techniques I used - they hope to use this material to produce a film for > training med students. We tried to arrange filming me taking care of > Jo-Anne, but we weren't able to schedule it in time. [I wondered > whether it was appropriate to film me taking care of Jo-Anne's personal > care, which involves nudity, for which I couldn't get functional assent > from her ... until I remembered that Jo-Anne spent many nights dancing > nude in one of her community-theater plays :-]. > > My heart is wounded, and my identities are scrambled: It's going to take > me a while to rebuild myself, with a lot more crying as part of the > process (I got a headache from crying the first day, so I've started > using the electrolyte sticks I used for Jo-Anne the last few weeks, as > her meals became more limited). But I'm otherwise in pretty good shape, > dealing with the myriad things that have to be dealt with, getting calls > and visits from loving friends and family, and using > computer-programming and movie-watching to take a break from my > emotional life (getting to sleep the night she died was hard: As I would > fall asleep a couple of times, I'd suddenly wake up with the realization > that my identities were shredded, it wasn't clear who I was anymore, > there was a Jo-Anne sized hole in my being). > > I hope you're all doing better than me :-> But I'm doing pretty well, > all things considered. [I feel lucky that Jo-Anne taught me how to deal > with my emotional being; many of the best parts of me are from her, > she's a part of me.] I'm getting so many loving/supportive/affirming > visits/hugs, calls, and emails (which typically lead to little bits of > healthy crying ... a sort of episodic mini-therapy). > > My two siblings each spent a week helping me declutter and downsize the > house a year ago. That will make it much easier for me to turn the > house from "our house" into "my house", the first part of building my > new life. > > -scott > > p.s. Feel free to share this email with anyone who remembers Jo-Anne, or > who is struggling with dementia in their family. > > > > On 17 Aug 2019, at 3:53, George Sadowsky wrote: > > I'm very sad to hear of Jo-Anne Scott's passing.  She was a good > colleague and a good friend. > > I first met Jo-Anne at a meeting in Palo Alto in September 1992, > hosted by Steve From and Scott Weikert. A few months before that, I > had discussed with Larry Landweber at INET'92 in Kobe the > possibility of setting up a training program in Internet technology > and use for people from developing countries. In the 1970s and > 1980s, I worked for the United Nations and was involved in many > technology transfer programs in the area of computing, and I had > seen to my dismay the state of technical knowledge, education, and > resources in most of the countries in which I had worked. Larry > suggested giving it a try. Steve Fram was one of the early > collaborators, and we were meeting in his office in Palo Alto to do > the initial planning.  > > Jo-Anne  attended the meeting, I had not known her before, but her > enthusiasm for the project and solving logistical aspects of making > it happen were contagious, so we became the initial band of > co-conspirators for what became ISOC's network technologies training > program for people from developing countries.   Since INET'93  was > planned  for San Francisco in August 1993, we decided to hold  the > training workshop in the Silicon Valley just before the INET > meeting, and then have the trainees participate also in that > meeting. We believe that the latter step was important in > introducing them to the people we hoped would be their future > Internet colleagues and would assist them in the developments in > their own countries. > > At the time I was working at New York University and was not > situated to assist in local preparation for the workshop.  Joanne > lived in Palo Alto, and she believed that she could work with > Stanford University to provide lodging, classroom space, and meals > for the trainees and trainers during August 1993. She set about to > do it with a vigor, enthusiasm, and initiative that characterized > her contributions to the workshop for the next five years.. She > convinced the University to provide dormitory space, meal > arrangements,and suitable classroom space for the entire process, > and she coordinated all of the preparatory work, including the >  procurement,  delivery, and set up for a large number of personal > computers to be used by the three training tracks. She also arranged > for  several social events in the evenings to foster a sense of > professional community among the attendees, as well as to meet local > people who lived in the Palo Alto area. I remember her setting up a > fireside chat with Vint Cerf one evening, which resulted in a > spirited discussion of the potential of the Internet and the > importance of what it could provide for development. > > At the end of  INET' 93, Jo-Anne and I had dinner with the INET'94 >  conference chair, and after  reviewing the success of our workshop, > we decided to do it again, a decision that was repeated  for several > years after that. Although it may not have been clear to the > workshop participants, the amount of logistical preparation >  required to set up the Prague workshop in 1994 was immense. Only a > few years had elapsed since the erosion of the iron curtain and the > dissolution of the Soviet Union, and Czechoslovakia was in a rapid > state of change. Joanne cooperated with the Czech Technical > University to find space for housing in the Hotel Krystal, a tram > ride away from the University buildings in which staff would be > teaching the four tracks. The Hotel Krystal  even had a computer lab > with 24  computers, connected to the Internet via a low-bandwidth > permanent  connection. During the workshop, Jo-Anne learned that our > Hotel Krystal had only been a hotel for a few years and before that > it had been the training institute for the Czech secret police. We > wondered how many microphones were still installed in various parts > of the building, including the sleeping rooms.  Jo-Anne also > discovered the "Chicago Pizza House"  (not a typo!)  in an > underground warren near the hotel, where we went for relief several > times to escape the rich Czech food offerings. > > Jo-Anne  continued to participate actively in and support the > workshop activities in 1995 in Honolulu, in 1996 in Montréal and in > 1997 in Kuala Lumpur. In 1994 she discovered the local travel agent > in Palo Alto, Maria Orvell, who worked with Joanne and together they > became accomplished in  bringing people from all parts of the world > to wherever the next INET meeting was going to be held. > > The process of choosing and assisting participants to attend the > workshops was extensive. Applications were solicited through a > number of channels, including disseminating information by > participants in formal workshops. These all came to Jo-Anne and she > prepared them for evaluation by a committee consisting of the > teaching staff for the next workshop. After that, the complex > process of distributing the financial resources that we were able to > obtain, ascertaining the possibility of visas and helping > participants to obtain them (including making intercessions with the > host country), and making flight arrangements, and this generally > had to be performed individually for each participant. The logistics > process took a lot of time andinitiative, and Joanne was able to do > it, always in time to meet our deadlines. > > Jo-Anne was a true partner. She embodied the spirit of the Internet, > helping, sharing, supporting, and giving of herself so that others > might learn and  in turn share with a new with others in their > country. She believed strongly in the Internet's ability to help > people in earlier stages of development, and she gave herself fully > to the task. Many workshop participants saw her correctly as > fundamental to the success of their experience. I'm glad that she > lived long enough to observe the benefits of her contribution to > global Internet development, but very sad that she was not able to > continue to do so.  She will be missed. > > George > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > George Sadowsky                                    Residence tel: > +1.301.968.4325 > 8300 Burdette Road, Apt B-472                          Mobile: > +1.202.415.1933 > Bethesda MD  20817-2831  USA                                   >  Skype: sadowsky       > george.sadowsky at gmail.com         >        http://www.georgesadowsky.org/  > > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- Carlos A. Afonso [emails são pessoais exceto quando explicitamente indicado em contrário] [emails are personal unless explicitly indicated otherwise] Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br ISOC-BR - https://isoc.org.br From governance at lists.riseup.net Sun Aug 18 08:48:47 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Nyangkwe Agien Aaron (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 13:48:47 +0100 Subject: [governance] Jo-Anne Scott remembered In-Reply-To: <148bd225-a4ab-9dec-d7e9-7c81e2572179@cafonso.ca> References: <515DE3AD-3E51-424C-BAE0-A21CAE957DEF@gmail.com> <942DF809-D5D0-432E-BF7B-72A4A17D1A59@apnic.net> <148bd225-a4ab-9dec-d7e9-7c81e2572179@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: Accept my condolences George and thanks for thé exhaustive tribute. May the soul of Jo-Anne rest in perfect peace Agien Nyangkwe On Sat, 17 Aug 2019, 22:58 Carlos Afonso, wrote: > Dear Paul & all, words fail me on this. Read all the memoirs Enzo, > Peter, George and others brought to the list with emotion. > > I will write Scott right now. > > fraternal regards > > --c.a. > > On 16/08/2019 20:38, Paul Wilson wrote: > > Thanks for this George. > > > > Jo-Anne’s partner, Scott Weikart, write this beautiful, more personal > > account, of life and her final days. He’s happy to have it shared in her > > memory, especially for those who struggle in any way with Alzheimer’s. > > > > I really hope to see Jo-Anne recognised in ISOC’s Hall of Fame; she was > > a pioneer. > > > > Paul. > > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > > > Subject: (mostly) sad news > > Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 16:19:11 -0700 > > From: Scott Weikart > > > > I have (mostly) sad news: Jo-Anne Scott died unexpectedly (on Sunday, > > July 14, 2019), at home in her own bed, clutching her green stuffed > > hippo to her neck for comfort. I say "mostly sad", because it was a > > good time to die: She declined significantly over the previous month, > > from her severe Alzheimer's disease. She had started sleeping all day > > long, and then lost the use of her legs (on the few days she didn't > > sleep all day long, I used her Hoyer lift (personal crane) to put her in > > her wheelchair, so I could take her out to sit on the front porch; but I > > had to wrap her gait belt around her armpits and the back of the chair, > > to prevent her head from ending up in her knees). Along with the > > physical decline, she declined mentally: Her interaction with the people > > around her became much more limited. > > > > In retrospect (if I'd known she was on the verge of dying), I would have > > spent more time sitting with her and consoling/stroking her the last > > couple of her days: but I take solace in all I was able to do 'for' and > > 'with' her over the last decade (and her PCP's comment that I was a > > better caregiver than the professionals; and her neurologist's comment > > that "You set the bar, in my experience, for loving, flexible, creative > > caregiving; I am grateful to you for those years of hard, patient work: > > You did really well by her"). [I was able to get her body to Stanford > > in time for her brain to be preserved for the research study in which > > she participated: She really appreciated being a research guinea pig, to > > help prevent future generations from experiencing her disease.] > > > > Jo-Anne's best friend Laurel (50 years!) had driven down 3 weeks > > earlier, and two friends dropped by; I had to wake Jo-Anne for the > > visit, but she was relatively alert, and enjoyed Laurel's Samoyed puppy > > (see attached picture; the second picture is Jo-Anne gazing lovingly at > > Laurel). Laurel and I have shared the sadness of Jo-Anne's death, and > > also good remembrances; Laurel offered the perspective that we were a > > good match for each other, and Jo-Anne was lucky to have me over the > > last decade and last year (in the days after, friends and siblings have > > said the same, a comfort). One night, Laurel and I spent a couple of > > hours emailing back and forth with the insights/changes we'd gained from > > our closeness with Jo-Anne (which was not conducive to a good night's > > sleep :-) ... when I saw her the next day, I couldn't get enough > > physical contact with her. > > > > Jo-Anne was diagnosed with very-mild Alzheimer's disease 10 years > > earlier (after 3 years of substantial short-term memory loss; in fact, > > her cognitive impairment literally started around 1990: The disease > > starts early, and grows slowly). Our journey together with her > > Alzheimer's disease was hard, but our life together was good, and our > > love deepened. Up until 3 years ago, Jo-Anne could still spend her day > > bicycling all over town by herself (which she loved, and always wanted > > to do), festooned with tracking devices (occasionally, I'd see she was > > headed away from home late in the day, and I'd hop on my bike and chase > > after her). I attached a picture of us that a friend took, when we'd > > just biked to a local event. We often took our bikes on Caltrain to San > > Francisco, biked up to Golden Gate Park, and spent the day in the > > science museum (Jo-Anne loved nature, and turned me into a nature > > lover). Then Jo-Anne started spending 3 days a week at (wonderful) > > Rosener House, doing all kinds of activities with fellow folks with > > dementia (in her first year there, the staff would send new folks to > > hang out with her, because she was engaging). When she couldn't > > reliably follow me on her bike, we got a tandem bike, and biked back and > > forth to Rosener House together (with a long bike ride home at the end > > of the day: Frequent, extended aerobic exercise is the best thing you > > can do for your brain). In early 2018, Jo-Anne started sleeping much > > longer, so she could no longer attend Rosener House; soon after, she > > started having trouble walking. Then Jo-Anne acquired a fearless > > companion (she was not bothered by my warning that Jo-Anne once stepped > > on my foot and broke a toe) from Mon Ami (whose new techie is Steve > > Fram, ex-Technical Director at IGC!), who got Jo-Anne back into walking, > > and setup Jo-Anne's smartphone so she could listen to 70's rock-and-roll > > and soul music. Jo-Anne's sleep got even more erratic, so planning Mon > > Ami visits became too hard; but a wonderful neighbor started taking > > Jo-Anne on long walks (she made herself available with just an hours > > notice, on the days Jo-Anne awoke in time); by late fall of 2018, > > Jo-Anne could walk 10 blocks (mostly on her own) with her neighbor > > friend (who Jo-Anne now recognized, and appreciated). By 2019, Jo-Anne > > rarely spoke phrases, but still understood quite well, and could answer > > (repeated) questions. We listened to podcasts as we ate, and she'd > > laugh at jokes, and exclaim about global warming news (guiding my > > selection of the podcasts we'd listen to). Three months before her > > death, I went in to the bedroom to see if she was awake, and she gave me > > a big smile, and said "I've been waiting for you!": She was still > > laughing at my jokes and foibles, full of smiles, always wanted to have > > her smartphone strapped to her arm so she could listen to music > > (sometimes tapping her feet). In her last few months, it took 3 > > (wonderful) neighbors to take her for a walk; but she always liked it, > > liked seeing the flowers and animals, wanted to continue even as she > > wore out her brain trying to consciously control her leg muscles. Even > > in her last month, she still recognized and loved/appreciated old > > friends, enjoying hanging out with people, laughed and smiled. Her last > > decade could have been so much worse, and was wonderful in many ways. > > It was an honor and privilege to take care of her, and I've grown so > > much in the process. > > > > Jo-Anne was courageous. As a teenager, she and her best friend Laurel > > setup camp near a cliff, and found themselves cornered by adult bears > > with cubs: They banged away on their metal cups with their spoons, until > > the bears trundled away. Another time, Jo-Anne and I were walking a > > trail in Big Sur: Jo-Anne jumped a couple of feet into the air to get > > away from a rattlesnake (she was very athletic), but was otherwise > > unperturbed. Another time, we parked in a back alley of the old Whiskey > > Gulch in East Palo Alto (where my first non-profit got started), so I > > could finish my work before driving to Yosemite; Jo-Anne heard a noise, > > went outside to check our van, found that a suitcase had been stolen, > > then chased after the thief (in the dark): She found him rummaging > > through the suitcase's contents, yelled at him to chase him away, then > > fetched the suitcase and contents and brought them back. This > > courageousness helped our journey with Alzheimer's: Jo-Anne was always > > willing to do most anything for researchers; or to try most anything to > > fight the disease, to try to slow-down or overcome the ravages. > > > > In decades past, people who met Jo-Anne usually noticed that she was > > nice and friendly. If they saw more of her, they might realize she was > > thoughtful/perceptive about people (she was active in a group of people > > who did peer-counseling; one of our friends told me she was his best > > counselor). And she was very helpful. When her ex-husband's brother > > was going through hard times, Jo-Anne let him live in her house for many > > months. Jo-Anne regularly visited a schizophrenic friend, for years > > (ignoring his verbal "advances"); she even went to court to prevent > > California from making him a "ward of the state". > > > > People who spent time talking to Jo-Anne would also realize how smart > > she was. She was an amazing person. I called her a "Renaissance > > woman": She'd done so many things, and could teach herself to do most > > anything ... > > > > Jo-Anne realized she had picked up racism towards Latinos from her > > mother: So she took Spanish classes, then lived in Central America for > > half a year; she saw Nicaraguans fighting against an oppressive > > dictator, and came home with a strong appreciation for how hard peasants > > had to work to support their families. During the '80's, she worked > > hard to prevent the Reagan and Bush administrations from intervening > > militarily against Central Americans' struggle for popular control of > > their own countries. She was coordinator for a college group (that did > > lobbying, and organized speaking events and demonstrations), helped run > > a political radio program, led a prominent human rights lawyer on a > > national speaking tour, co-edited a scholarly book, lobbied at the > > Democratic National Convention in San Francisco, lobbied her > > Congressional representative (the delegation made his hands sweat :-). > > One of the culminations of this work was her creation of CARNet (a > > Spanish "pun"; it stands for Central America Resource Network), as a > > subset of PeaceNet (that I helped create). She interned with various DC > > pressure groups to teach them how to put their information into the > > bulletin boards she created for each Central American country, and > > helped them build communication channels with grassroots organizations > > (so the DC groups could align legislative lobbying with local activism; > > I now consult for a human rights organization, and its "forefather" used > > to regularly download information from CARNet). She spent months in > > Nicaragua (while the US was waging the Contra war against the country), > > helping create Nicarao (a system like PeaceNet). She traveled up and > > down Central America teaching NGOs (in Spanish) how to use Nicarao's > > email and bulletins boards (over 2400 baud modems ?!); when she arrived > > back in Managua, they took one look at her and said "you've got > > hepatitis, you have to go home". > > > > In the '90's (just as her cognition was starting to decline from the > > disease), she held jobs where she taught herself how to write > > spreadsheet macros and build database applications. One weekend I flew > > off on a business trip, and when I came home she'd replaced the furnace > > (including hooking-up the gas line, and replacing/insulating the > > ducting) - I don't know how she did it! Then she spent 5 years doing > > all the logistics to bring techies from all the most underdeveloped > > countries (using all 4 languages she spoke) to a central location (the > > place where ISoc, the Internet Society, would have their annual > > meeting), so volunteers could teach the techies how to connect their > > countries to the Internet; we have lots of wonderful knickknacks that > > the mostly-young techies gave to her, she was sort-of their den mother. > > By the end of that 5 year period, she told a friend that the work got > > harder each year: She was already aware that her cognition was > > declining, but she thought it was hormonal issues from menopause (she > > had serious hot flashes). As she had more and more difficulty doing the > > myriad of required tasks, she didn't get much support from the > > administrative folks who ran the conferences (nor from me, one of my big > > regrets in life) ... but one lefty techie believed in her, and hired her > > to run a workshop in South Africa (where she mentored some local woman, > > so they could run future workshops themselves - they probably helped > > Jo-Anne with tasks that had become harder for her). And when the ISoc > > conference came back to SF a few years later, all the techies were glad > > to see her; so she hired a full-size bus plus driver, and narrated a > > tour of San Francisco for them (I was her guinea pig on a dry run, and > > she did a great job!). > > > > In the '00's, Jo-Anne did computer consulting for a friend who ran a > > travel agency, including building a website that would collect contact > > info (she taught herself to do all this). And she became a serious > > volunteer at the local community cable TV studio: She was the 3rd most > > active volunteer for a number of years in a row, winning awards at their > > annual dinner. She did computer graphics, sound, camera, directing, the > > works. As her memory got worse: First she stopped directing; then she > > stopped doing computer graphics; and finally, she had to stop doing > > camera, because she'd immediately forget cues from the director (this > > was around the time she was diagnosed with Mild Cognitive Impairment, > > mid-2006). > > > > I recently stumbled upon the best illustration of Jo-Anne as Renaissance > > woman. As I was gleaning distinctive documents from her office, I came > > across lots of leaflets from the plays put on by her community-theater > > group in the '70's; as I scanned the leaflets, I realized that Jo-Anne > > filled the roles of actor, singer, dancer, player of piano and > > Renaissance stringed instruments, director, producer, set designer, > > bookkeeper, etc. You wanted Jo-Anne in your group! > > > > I'm co-chair and citizen scientist for the Community Advisory Board of > > Stanford 's Alzheimer's Disease Research Center. They recently filmed > > me as caregiver: I described our life together, how I developed skills > > and adaptations as Jo-Anne's dementia got worse, and then I walked > > around the house showing accommodations I made and describing the > > techniques I used - they hope to use this material to produce a film for > > training med students. We tried to arrange filming me taking care of > > Jo-Anne, but we weren't able to schedule it in time. [I wondered > > whether it was appropriate to film me taking care of Jo-Anne's personal > > care, which involves nudity, for which I couldn't get functional assent > > from her ... until I remembered that Jo-Anne spent many nights dancing > > nude in one of her community-theater plays :-]. > > > > My heart is wounded, and my identities are scrambled: It's going to take > > me a while to rebuild myself, with a lot more crying as part of the > > process (I got a headache from crying the first day, so I've started > > using the electrolyte sticks I used for Jo-Anne the last few weeks, as > > her meals became more limited). But I'm otherwise in pretty good shape, > > dealing with the myriad things that have to be dealt with, getting calls > > and visits from loving friends and family, and using > > computer-programming and movie-watching to take a break from my > > emotional life (getting to sleep the night she died was hard: As I would > > fall asleep a couple of times, I'd suddenly wake up with the realization > > that my identities were shredded, it wasn't clear who I was anymore, > > there was a Jo-Anne sized hole in my being). > > > > I hope you're all doing better than me :-> But I'm doing pretty well, > > all things considered. [I feel lucky that Jo-Anne taught me how to deal > > with my emotional being; many of the best parts of me are from her, > > she's a part of me.] I'm getting so many loving/supportive/affirming > > visits/hugs, calls, and emails (which typically lead to little bits of > > healthy crying ... a sort of episodic mini-therapy). > > > > My two siblings each spent a week helping me declutter and downsize the > > house a year ago. That will make it much easier for me to turn the > > house from "our house" into "my house", the first part of building my > > new life. > > > > -scott > > > > p.s. Feel free to share this email with anyone who remembers Jo-Anne, or > > who is struggling with dementia in their family. > > > > > > > > On 17 Aug 2019, at 3:53, George Sadowsky wrote: > > > > I'm very sad to hear of Jo-Anne Scott's passing. She was a good > > colleague and a good friend. > > > > I first met Jo-Anne at a meeting in Palo Alto in September 1992, > > hosted by Steve From and Scott Weikert. A few months before that, I > > had discussed with Larry Landweber at INET'92 in Kobe the > > possibility of setting up a training program in Internet technology > > and use for people from developing countries. In the 1970s and > > 1980s, I worked for the United Nations and was involved in many > > technology transfer programs in the area of computing, and I had > > seen to my dismay the state of technical knowledge, education, and > > resources in most of the countries in which I had worked. Larry > > suggested giving it a try. Steve Fram was one of the early > > collaborators, and we were meeting in his office in Palo Alto to do > > the initial planning. > > > > Jo-Anne attended the meeting, I had not known her before, but her > > enthusiasm for the project and solving logistical aspects of making > > it happen were contagious, so we became the initial band of > > co-conspirators for what became ISOC's network technologies training > > program for people from developing countries. Since INET'93 was > > planned for San Francisco in August 1993, we decided to hold the > > training workshop in the Silicon Valley just before the INET > > meeting, and then have the trainees participate also in that > > meeting. We believe that the latter step was important in > > introducing them to the people we hoped would be their future > > Internet colleagues and would assist them in the developments in > > their own countries. > > > > At the time I was working at New York University and was not > > situated to assist in local preparation for the workshop. Joanne > > lived in Palo Alto, and she believed that she could work with > > Stanford University to provide lodging, classroom space, and meals > > for the trainees and trainers during August 1993. She set about to > > do it with a vigor, enthusiasm, and initiative that characterized > > her contributions to the workshop for the next five years.. She > > convinced the University to provide dormitory space, meal > > arrangements,and suitable classroom space for the entire process, > > and she coordinated all of the preparatory work, including the > > procurement, delivery, and set up for a large number of personal > > computers to be used by the three training tracks. She also arranged > > for several social events in the evenings to foster a sense of > > professional community among the attendees, as well as to meet local > > people who lived in the Palo Alto area. I remember her setting up a > > fireside chat with Vint Cerf one evening, which resulted in a > > spirited discussion of the potential of the Internet and the > > importance of what it could provide for development. > > > > At the end of INET' 93, Jo-Anne and I had dinner with the INET'94 > > conference chair, and after reviewing the success of our workshop, > > we decided to do it again, a decision that was repeated for several > > years after that. Although it may not have been clear to the > > workshop participants, the amount of logistical preparation > > required to set up the Prague workshop in 1994 was immense. Only a > > few years had elapsed since the erosion of the iron curtain and the > > dissolution of the Soviet Union, and Czechoslovakia was in a rapid > > state of change. Joanne cooperated with the Czech Technical > > University to find space for housing in the Hotel Krystal, a tram > > ride away from the University buildings in which staff would be > > teaching the four tracks. The Hotel Krystal even had a computer lab > > with 24 computers, connected to the Internet via a low-bandwidth > > permanent connection. During the workshop, Jo-Anne learned that our > > Hotel Krystal had only been a hotel for a few years and before that > > it had been the training institute for the Czech secret police. We > > wondered how many microphones were still installed in various parts > > of the building, including the sleeping rooms. Jo-Anne also > > discovered the "Chicago Pizza House" (not a typo!) in an > > underground warren near the hotel, where we went for relief several > > times to escape the rich Czech food offerings. > > > > Jo-Anne continued to participate actively in and support the > > workshop activities in 1995 in Honolulu, in 1996 in Montréal and in > > 1997 in Kuala Lumpur. In 1994 she discovered the local travel agent > > in Palo Alto, Maria Orvell, who worked with Joanne and together they > > became accomplished in bringing people from all parts of the world > > to wherever the next INET meeting was going to be held. > > > > The process of choosing and assisting participants to attend the > > workshops was extensive. Applications were solicited through a > > number of channels, including disseminating information by > > participants in formal workshops. These all came to Jo-Anne and she > > prepared them for evaluation by a committee consisting of the > > teaching staff for the next workshop. After that, the complex > > process of distributing the financial resources that we were able to > > obtain, ascertaining the possibility of visas and helping > > participants to obtain them (including making intercessions with the > > host country), and making flight arrangements, and this generally > > had to be performed individually for each participant. The logistics > > process took a lot of time andinitiative, and Joanne was able to do > > it, always in time to meet our deadlines. > > > > Jo-Anne was a true partner. She embodied the spirit of the Internet, > > helping, sharing, supporting, and giving of herself so that others > > might learn and in turn share with a new with others in their > > country. She believed strongly in the Internet's ability to help > > people in earlier stages of development, and she gave herself fully > > to the task. Many workshop participants saw her correctly as > > fundamental to the success of their experience. I'm glad that she > > lived long enough to observe the benefits of her contribution to > > global Internet development, but very sad that she was not able to > > continue to do so. She will be missed. > > > > George > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > George Sadowsky Residence tel: > > +1.301.968.4325 > > 8300 Burdette Road, Apt B-472 Mobile: > > +1.202.415.1933 > > Bethesda MD 20817-2831 USA > > Skype: sadowsky > > george.sadowsky at gmail.com > > http://www.georgesadowsky.org/ > > > > > > > > --- > > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > > > > > --- > > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > > > -- > > Carlos A. 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[image: livestream] The 10th *African Peering and Interconnection Forum * (AfPIF) will be held over a 3-day period from* 20-22 August 2019* in *Balaclava, Mauritius*. AfPIF is an annual event that serves as a platform to develop the African Internet. It brings key infrastructure, service, and content providers together in order to improve network interconnection, lower the cost of connectivity, and increase the number of users in the region. First held in 2010, the event was created to address the realization that most of Africa’s Internet traffic is sourced or exchanged outside the continent. First held in 2010, the event was created to address the realization that most of Africa’s Internet traffic is sourced or exchanged outside the continent. Organized by the *Internet Society * and *African IXP Association * (AFIX) in collaboration with the local host,* Rogers Capital *. The event will be webcast live in both English and French on the *Internet Society Livestream Channel *, with support from *Afrinic *. *LIVESTREAM: https://livestream.com/internetsociety/afpif2019 (English)* *PROGRAM: https://www.afpif.org/afpif-10/agenda/ (UTC+4)* *TWITTER: #AfPIF2019 https://bit.ly/afpif2019 * Le 10ème Forum *Africain sur le Peering et l'Interconnexion * (AfPIF) se tiendra pendant trois jours du *20 au 22 août 201*9 à *Balaclava, Maurice*. AfPIF est un événement annuel qui sert de plate-forme pour développer l'Internet africain. Il rassemble les principaux fournisseurs d'infrastructures, de services et de contenus afin d'améliorer l'interconnexion des réseaux, de réduire les coûts de connectivité et d'augmenter le nombre d'utilisateurs dans la région. Tenu pour la première fois en 2010, cet événement a été créé pour faire comprendre que la majeure partie du trafic Internet de l’Afrique provient ou échange en dehors du continent. Tenu pour la première fois en 2010, cet événement a été créé pour faire comprendre que la majeure partie du trafic Internet de l’Afrique provient ou échange en dehors du continent. Organisé par l’*Internet Society*> et l’*African IXP Association * (AFIX) en collaboration avec l’hôte local, *Rogers Capital *. L'événement sera diffusé en direct sur Internet en anglais et en français sur le canal Internet Society Livestream, avec le soutien d'*Afrinic *. *LIVESTREAM: https://livestream.com/internetsociety2/afpif2019 (Français)* *PROGRAM: https://www.afpif.org/afpif-10/agenda/ (UTC+4)* *TWITTER: #AfPIF2019 https://bit.ly/afpif2019 * *Pernalink*: https://isoc.live/11299/ -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Tue Aug 20 13:57:22 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (sivasubramanian muthusamy (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 23:27:22 +0530 Subject: [governance] Nationalism and the Future of the Internet Message-ID: *Wolfgang in his article on The Brink **http://www.brinknews.com/is-nationalism-threatening-the-future-of-the-internet/ says: * *"Digital unilateralism offers low hanging fruits. But these fruits are poisoned: Digital unilateralism can trigger weaponization of cyberspace, digital trade wars and massive violation of human rights online. It can undermine stability in cyberspace, a space which is used by more than half of the global population. Cyberspace is now as much a part of the common heritage of humans, of our ecosystem, as the natural environment. And instability in cyberspace is just as dangerous as climate change. "* # On occasions, in the interest of larger goodness not easily seen or understood, some exceptional measures appear inevitable, but exceptional excesses could become patters. What could the Internet Community and Civil Society do to emphasize that exceptional and temporary measures remain just that- exceptional, rare and temporary? Sivasubramanian M twitter.com/shivaindia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nb at bollow.ch Fri Aug 2 10:06:11 2019 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 16:06:11 +0200 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huang Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> Message-ID: <20190802160611.03ef40a7@quill> On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 10:18:47 +0100 "\"Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro\"" (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > Suggest some text. Your original proposed text is fine from my perspective; my objection only concerns an idea for changing it. For the sake of convenient reference, here is Sala's original proposal again: """ Proposed Draft The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been honored multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his website, 64 Tianwang. Huang Qi's persecution and imprisonment reflects China’s continued repression of free speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those who assisted him. """ Greetings, Norbert > > On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 03:38:08 +0530 > > "Chaitanya Dhareshwar" (via governance Mailing List) > > wrote: > > > > > - A reasonable middle ground between sentencing (law) and > > > honouring commitment to free speech would be to give a Community > > > Service sentence > > > > I would strongly object to anything that calls anything a > > "reasonable middle ground" which is not fully in alignment with all > > human rights including the right to free speech. > > > > Greetings, > > Norbert From becky.lentz at utexas.edu Tue Aug 20 14:58:11 2019 From: becky.lentz at utexas.edu (Becky Lentz) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 14:58:11 -0400 Subject: [governance] Invitation to participate as civil society case study in Fall 2019 seminar on IG-relevant advoc References: Message-ID: <70AC3B23-D8D4-4316-9E3C-44A5EC9304F3@utexas.edu> Dear colleagues, And greetings from Canada. I’m writing to invite civil society participation in an upcoming seminar this fall (begins soon, in early September 2019). The goal is to introduce students to the variety of ways that civil society organizations and networks participate in IG-related policy advocacy and activism. Your participation would involve co-drafting with me a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) in the next two weeks to make expectations and outcomes clear. The goal for students will be to advance their IG policy literacy and open up future opportunities for their participation in IG-related advocacy work from a civil society perspective. The selected partner organization would benefit from receiving at the end of the course (early December 2019) a mapping document for it to use for critical reflection on their activities and intended outcomes. If you find this of possible interest, please email me off-list, privately, at the following email address: becky.lentz at mcgill.ca . Very best, Becky — Becky Lentz, Associate Professor of Communication Studies, McGill University (through December 31, 2019) Effective January 1, 2020: Faculty Fellow with the RGK Center for Philanthropy and Community Service at the LBJ School of Public Affairs, the University of Texas at Austin (becky.lentz at utexas.edu ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julian at colnodo.apc.org Tue Aug 20 16:42:41 2019 From: julian at colnodo.apc.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Juli=c3=a1n_Casasbuenas_G=2e?=) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 15:42:41 -0500 Subject: [governance] Jo-Anne Scott remembered In-Reply-To: <515DE3AD-3E51-424C-BAE0-A21CAE957DEF@gmail.com> References: <515DE3AD-3E51-424C-BAE0-A21CAE957DEF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0e478ecc-ca79-4e58-4533-fc279d750801@colnodo.apc.org> Dear George, Thank you for sharing your memories of Jo-Anne. I had the fortune to attend that first workshop at Inet'93 in Stanford were I met Jo-Anne for the first time and also you. Then, I had the opportunity to attend the Inet meetings in Prague and Honolulu. As I mentioned to her partner Scott Weikart, in a large degree I have to say that all her efforts and willingness to share her knowledge was key to get our project Colnodo connected to the Internet....  now Colnodo has 25 years. Thank you for your efforts to bring these workshops for all the attendees from developing countries. I agree with Paul that her work should be recognized in the Isoc's Hall of Fame for all her valuables contribution to the development of the Internet in developing countries. Best, Julián   El 16/08/19 a las 12:53 p. m., George Sadowsky (via governance Mailing List) escribió: > I'm very sad to hear of Jo-Anne Scott's passing.  She was a good > colleague and a good friend. > > I first met Jo-Anne at a meeting in Palo Alto in September 1992, > hosted by Steve From and Scott Weikert. A few months before that, I > had discussed with Larry Landweber at INET'92 in Kobe the possibility > of setting up a training program in Internet technology and use for > people from developing countries. In the 1970s and 1980s, I worked for > the United Nations and was involved in many technology transfer > programs in the area of computing, and I had seen to my dismay the > state of technical knowledge, education, and resources in most of the > countries in which I had worked. Larry suggested giving it a try. > Steve Fram was one of the early collaborators, and we were meeting in > his office in Palo Alto to do the initial planning.  > > Jo-Anne  attended the meeting, I had not known her before, but her > enthusiasm for the project and solving logistical aspects of making it > happen were contagious, so we became the initial band of > co-conspirators for what became ISOC's network technologies training > program for people from developing countries.   Since INET'93  was > planned  for San Francisco in August 1993, we decided to hold  the > training workshop in the Silicon Valley just before the INET meeting, > and then have the trainees participate also in that meeting. We > believe that the latter step was important in introducing them to the > people we hoped would be their future Internet colleagues and would > assist them in the developments in their own countries. > > At the time I was working at New York University and was not situated > to assist in local preparation for the workshop.  Joanne lived in Palo > Alto, and she believed that she could work with Stanford University to > provide lodging, classroom space, and meals for the trainees and > trainers during August 1993. She set about to do it with a vigor, > enthusiasm, and initiative that characterized her contributions to the > workshop for the next five years.. She convinced the University to > provide dormitory space, meal arrangements,and suitable classroom > space for the entire process, and she coordinated all of the > preparatory work, including the  procurement,  delivery, and set up > for a large number of personal computers to be used by the three > training tracks. She also arranged for  several social events in the > evenings to foster a sense of professional community among the > attendees, as well as to meet local people who lived in the Palo Alto > area. I remember her setting up a fireside chat with Vint Cerf one > evening, which resulted in a spirited discussion of the potential of > the Internet and the importance of what it could provide for development. > > At the end of  INET' 93, Jo-Anne and I had dinner with the INET'94 >  conference chair, and after  reviewing the success of our workshop, > we decided to do it again, a decision that was repeated  for several > years after that. Although it may not have been clear to the workshop > participants, the amount of logistical preparation  required to set up > the Prague workshop in 1994 was immense. Only a few years had elapsed > since the erosion of the iron curtain and the dissolution of the > Soviet Union, and Czechoslovakia was in a rapid state of change. > Joanne cooperated with the Czech Technical University to find space > for housing in the Hotel Krystal, a tram ride away from the University > buildings in which staff would be teaching the four tracks. The Hotel > Krystal  even had a computer lab with 24  computers, connected to the > Internet via a low-bandwidth permanent  connection. During the > workshop, Jo-Anne learned that our Hotel Krystal had only been a hotel > for a few years and before that it had been the training institute for > the Czech secret police. We wondered how many microphones were still > installed in various parts of the building, including the sleeping > rooms.  Jo-Anne also discovered the "Chicago Pizza House"  (not a > typo!)  in an underground warren near the hotel, where we went for > relief several times to escape the rich Czech food offerings. > > Jo-Anne  continued to participate actively in and support the workshop > activities in 1995 in Honolulu, in 1996 in Montréal and in 1997 in > Kuala Lumpur. In 1994 she discovered the local travel agent in Palo > Alto, Maria Orvell, who worked with Joanne and together they became > accomplished in  bringing people from all parts of the world to > wherever the next INET meeting was going to be held. > > The process of choosing and assisting participants to attend the > workshops was extensive. Applications were solicited through a number > of channels, including disseminating information by participants in > formal workshops. These all came to Jo-Anne and she prepared them for > evaluation by a committee consisting of the teaching staff for the > next workshop. After that, the complex process of distributing the > financial resources that we were able to obtain, ascertaining the > possibility of visas and helping participants to obtain them > (including making intercessions with the host country), and making > flight arrangements, and this generally had to be performed > individually for each participant. The logistics process took a lot of > time andinitiative, and Joanne was able to do it, always in time to > meet our deadlines. > > Jo-Anne was a true partner. She embodied the spirit of the Internet, > helping, sharing, supporting, and giving of herself so that others > might learn and  in turn share with a new with others in their > country. She believed strongly in the Internet's ability to help > people in earlier stages of development, and she gave herself fully to > the task. Many workshop participants saw her correctly as fundamental > to the success of their experience. I'm glad that she lived long > enough to observe the benefits of her contribution to global Internet > development, but very sad that she was not able to continue to do so. >  She will be missed. > > George > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > George Sadowsky                                    Residence tel: > +1.301.968.4325 > 8300 Burdette Road, Apt B-472                          Mobile: > +1.202.415.1933 > Bethesda MD  20817-2831  USA                                    Skype: > sadowsky       > george.sadowsky at gmail.com           >      http://www.georgesadowsky.org/  > > > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: -- Colnodo - Uso estratégico de Internet para el desarrollo *Julián Casasbuenas G.* Director Tels: 57-1-2324246, 57-315-2585596 Cel. 57-315-3339099 Diagonal 40A (Antigua Av. 39) No. 14-75, Bogotá, Colombia Twitter @jcasasbuenas @colnodo www.colnodo.apc.org - Uso Estratégico de Internet para el Desarrollo Miembro de la Asociación para el Progreso de las Comunicaciones -APC- www.apc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there a program information website for further details? > The goal is to introduce students to the variety of ways that civil > society organizations and networks participate in IG-related policy > advocacy and activism. > > Your participation would involve co-drafting with me a Memorandum of > Understanding (MOU) in the next two weeks to make expectations and outcomes > clear. > Is this a call for the participants of this list to be involved only in drafting the MoU? Or to participate in the seminar (of 3 months duration? your message says begins early september and end of the course as early December) ? > > The goal for students will be to advance their IG policy literacy and open > up future opportunities for their participation in IG-related advocacy work > from a civil society perspective. > > The selected partner organization would benefit from receiving at the end > of the course (early December 2019) a mapping document for it to use for > critical reflection on their activities and intended outcomes. > > If you find this of possible interest, please email me off-list, > privately, at the following email address: becky.lentz at mcgill.ca. > > Very best, > Becky > — > > Becky Lentz, Associate Professor of Communication Studies, McGill > University (through December 31, 2019) > > Effective January 1, 2020: Faculty Fellow with the RGK Center for > Philanthropy and Community Service at the LBJ School of Public Affairs, the > University of Texas at Austin (becky.lentz at utexas.edu) > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Tue Aug 20 22:52:19 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (srajukanumuri (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 08:22:19 +0530 Subject: [governance] Nationalism and the Future of the Internet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear one all * " Digital unilateralism offers low hanging fruits. But these fruits are poisoned: Digital unilateralism can trigger weaponization of cyberspace, digital trade wars and massive violation of human rights online.* " This is already happening indirectly. In 20011 we shared to all stake holders Indian policy makers the future will be " water wars " and cyber wars. . the indirect c Cold digital war is 1) cyber attacks 2) mass surveillance 3) fake news 4) hate speeches - miss use of RTI .Acts , IT acts 5) arrests by governments in the name of security 6) DIgital frauds from - Y2k to present bit coin . Chain e -biz looted billions of dollars 7) IP looting 8) prono graphy 9) on line fake sales 10) money laundering 11) Woman trafficking 12) Bank scams - save tax havens , people looted citizens banks govermemts - staying in other nations 13) terrorist funding's 14) massive corruption 15) Drugs sales on line 16) trade wars 17) stock markets scams 18) algorithms manuplatting 19) DATA DIGITAL HUMAN PRIVACY. 20) ECOCLOGICAL EFFECTS by waste on earth and in space. 21) LAST AND MAJOR FRAUD GENOCIDE ON DEMOCRACIES - Elections manupalations - with social media / media / tv control by plutocrats. last 300 yrs history is in front of us. Still 4 billion people no food water shelter education. CLIMATE EFFECTS ALL OVER WORLD . WARS , RIGHT WING acts real effects of " DIGITAL WAR " Now bots AI is also helping.. DIGITAL PACKET BOMBS is really effecting humanity eco system. NO - GOOD BAD UGLY CRIMINAL - IP address / TCP /IP or web site etc monitoring. HUMAN GREEDINESS is real cause for this countries want super power status and few people want to control rest of world eco system. DIGITAL PEACE ECO PACKETS INTERNET IS NEEDED. Good day to you all. raju " We Connect human contacts " " We make net to think and act " " Survival is h-commerce -human commerce or human knowledge commerce based on Bartering of knowledge Globally with out money as instrument " -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kkkrkstrust - Social and community empowerment and support services Create Green world: Share your Knowledge to make India Green - Eco System and self sustainability of world through communities and Internet technologies collaboration knowledge collaboration commerce sustainable smart villages to connect next 3.4 billion people. On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:27 PM sivasubramanian muthusamy < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > *Wolfgang in his article on The Brink **http://www.brinknews.com/is-nationalism-threatening-the-future-of-the-internet/ > > says: * > > *"Digital unilateralism offers low hanging fruits. But these fruits are > poisoned: Digital unilateralism can trigger weaponization of cyberspace, > digital trade wars and massive violation of human rights online. It can > undermine stability in cyberspace, a space which is used by more than half > of the global population. Cyberspace is now as much a part of the common > heritage of humans, of our ecosystem, as the natural environment. And > instability in cyberspace is just as dangerous as climate change. "* > # On occasions, in the interest of larger goodness not easily seen or > understood, some exceptional measures appear inevitable, but exceptional > excesses could become patters. What could the Internet Community and Civil > Society do to emphasize that exceptional and temporary measures remain just > that- exceptional, rare and temporary? > > > Sivasubramanian M > twitter.com/shivaindia > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Tue Aug 20 23:03:40 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (sivasubramanian muthusamy (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 08:33:40 +0530 Subject: [governance] Nationalism and the Future of the Internet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 8:22 AM srajukanumuri wrote: > > Dear one all > > * " Digital unilateralism offers low hanging fruits. But these fruits are > poisoned: Digital unilateralism can trigger weaponization of cyberspace, > digital trade wars and massive violation of human rights online.* " > > This is already happening indirectly. In 20011 we shared to all stake > holders Indian policy makers the future will be " water wars " and cyber > wars. . the indirect c Cold digital war is > > 1) cyber attacks > 2) mass surveillance > 3) fake news > 4) hate speeches - miss use of RTI .Acts , IT acts > 5) arrests by governments in the name of security > 6) DIgital frauds from - Y2k to present bit coin . Chain e -biz looted > billions of dollars > 7) IP looting > 8) prono graphy > 9) on line fake sales > 10) money laundering > 11) Woman trafficking > 12) Bank scams - save tax havens , people looted citizens banks > govermemts - staying in other nations > 13) terrorist funding's > 14) massive corruption > 15) Drugs sales on line > 16) trade wars > 17) stock markets scams > 18) algorithms manuplatting > 19) DATA DIGITAL HUMAN PRIVACY. > 20) ECOCLOGICAL EFFECTS by waste on earth and in space. > 21) LAST AND MAJOR FRAUD GENOCIDE ON DEMOCRACIES - Elections manupalations > - with social media / media / tv control by plutocrats. > > > last 300 yrs history is in front of us. Still 4 billion people no food > water shelter education. CLIMATE EFFECTS ALL OVER WORLD . WARS , > I would rather suspect that the inexplicable changes that have happened in the recent past is all about positively changing the history of impossible problems. > RIGHT WING acts real effects of " DIGITAL WAR " Now bots AI is also > helping.. DIGITAL PACKET BOMBS is really effecting humanity eco system. NO > - GOOD BAD UGLY CRIMINAL - IP address / TCP /IP or web site etc > monitoring. > > HUMAN GREEDINESS is real cause for this countries want super power status > and few people want to control rest of world eco system. > > DIGITAL PEACE ECO PACKETS INTERNET IS NEEDED. > > Good day to you all. > raju > > > > > > > > > " We Connect human contacts " > " We make net to think and act " > " Survival is h-commerce -human commerce or human knowledge commerce > based on Bartering of knowledge Globally with out money as instrument " > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > kkkrkstrust - Social and community > empowerment and support services > Create Green world: Share your Knowledge to make India Green - Eco System > and self sustainability of world through communities and Internet > technologies collaboration knowledge collaboration commerce sustainable > smart villages to connect next 3.4 billion people. > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:27 PM sivasubramanian muthusamy < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > >> *Wolfgang in his article on The Brink **http://www.brinknews.com/is-nationalism-threatening-the-future-of-the-internet/ >> >> says: * >> >> *"Digital unilateralism offers low hanging fruits. But these fruits are >> poisoned: Digital unilateralism can trigger weaponization of cyberspace, >> digital trade wars and massive violation of human rights online. It can >> undermine stability in cyberspace, a space which is used by more than half >> of the global population. Cyberspace is now as much a part of the common >> heritage of humans, of our ecosystem, as the natural environment. And >> instability in cyberspace is just as dangerous as climate change. "* >> # On occasions, in the interest of larger goodness not easily seen or >> understood, some exceptional measures appear inevitable, but exceptional >> excesses could become patters. What could the Internet Community and Civil >> Society do to emphasize that exceptional and temporary measures remain just >> that- exceptional, rare and temporary? >> >> >> Sivasubramanian M >> twitter.com/shivaindia >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joly at punkcast.com Wed Aug 21 01:31:36 2019 From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 01:31:36 -0400 Subject: [governance] WEBCAST TUE-THU: 10th African Peering and Interconnection Forum #AfPIF2019 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Day 2 has just kicked off. You can see yesterday's keynote - The Road to AfPIF 10 - at https://livestream.com/internetsociety/afpif2019/videos/195304047 On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 8:02 AM Joly MacFie wrote: > I say it every year that that the AFpIF is the single greatest annual > event that the Internet Society puts on, but this may be the last time as > Af-IX are taking the reins henceforth. At its 10th meeting the deadline for > AfPIF's aspirational goal of 80/20 - 80% of African traffic to be internal > by 2020 - rapidly approaches. Tune in to find out they are doing! > > > [image: livestream] The > 10th *African Peering and Interconnection Forum > * (AfPIF) will be held over a 3-day > period from* 20-22 August 2019* in *Balaclava, Mauritius*. AfPIF is an > annual event that serves as a platform to develop the African Internet. It > brings key infrastructure, service, and content providers together in order > to improve network interconnection, lower the cost of connectivity, and > increase the number of users in the region. First held in 2010, the event > was created to address the realization that most of Africa’s Internet > traffic is sourced or exchanged outside the continent. First held in 2010, > the event was created to address the realization that most of Africa’s > Internet traffic is sourced or exchanged outside the continent. Organized > by the *Internet Society * and *African > IXP Association * (AFIX) in collaboration with > the local host,* Rogers Capital *. The > event will be webcast live in both English and French on the *Internet > Society Livestream Channel *, > with support from *Afrinic *. > > *LIVESTREAM: https://livestream.com/internetsociety/afpif2019 > (English)* > > *PROGRAM: https://www.afpif.org/afpif-10/agenda/ > (UTC+4)* > > *TWITTER: #AfPIF2019 https://bit.ly/afpif2019 * > > Le 10ème Forum *Africain sur le Peering et l'Interconnexion > * (AfPIF) se tiendra pendant trois > jours du *20 au 22 août 201*9 à *Balaclava, Maurice*. AfPIF est un > événement annuel qui sert de plate-forme pour développer l'Internet > africain. Il rassemble les principaux fournisseurs d'infrastructures, de > services et de contenus afin d'améliorer l'interconnexion des réseaux, de > réduire les coûts de connectivité et d'augmenter le nombre d'utilisateurs > dans la région. Tenu pour la première fois en 2010, cet événement a été > créé pour faire comprendre que la majeure partie du trafic Internet de > l’Afrique provient ou échange en dehors du continent. Tenu pour la première > fois en 2010, cet événement a été créé pour faire comprendre que la majeure > partie du trafic Internet de l’Afrique provient ou échange en dehors du > continent. Organisé par l’*Internet Society *> et l’*African IXP Association > * (AFIX) en collaboration avec l’hôte local, *Rogers > Capital *. L'événement sera diffusé en > direct sur Internet en anglais et en français sur le canal Internet Society > Livestream, avec le soutien d'*Afrinic *. > > *LIVESTREAM: https://livestream.com/internetsociety2/afpif2019 > (Français)* > > *PROGRAM: https://www.afpif.org/afpif-10/agenda/ > (UTC+4)* > > *TWITTER: #AfPIF2019 https://bit.ly/afpif2019 * > > *Pernalink*: > https://isoc.live/11299/ > > > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast > -------------------------------------------------------------- > - > -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 21 21:51:54 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2019 22:51:54 -0300 Subject: [governance] [Call for candidates] IGC Co-Coordinators election Message-ID: Dear IGC, Following up on our elections discussions, I would like to kickstart this process by announcing that *nominations are now open until September 5 for the two vacancies for IGC Co coordinators*. Self nominations, and nomination of others who you feel would be suitable, are equally encouraged. We advise you to check if a person is willing to stand before nominating them: however in any case confirmation by candidates will be necessary by the close of nominations to confirm their willingness to stand to the mailing list. *Nominations are made by a posting to the IGC Mailing List.* Please make the subject of your posting: *NOMINATION - (name of candidate). *And should be accompanied by a *300 word statement which should include full name, country of residence and origin, work/involvement with IGF/IGC/civil society activities, and reasons why the person nominated would be a good Co-ordinator for IGC*. If this information is not supplied at the time of nomination, a short period of time will be made available at the end of the nomination period to supply this information before voting commences. *The voting process is planned to begin on September 10th*, after nominations have been made and all statements are available. More information about this process will be made available on list before that date. Two candidates will be elected – one for a two year term, and one for a one year term. The Scrutineers and Returning Officers for the election are Ian Peter and Tapani Tarvainen. They will be pleased to answer queries on list as the process develops. The following information has been shared on this very mailing list before, but for any further reference, this is our elections timeline: *Nominations* - August 22nd until September 5th *Candidates acceptance and Statement submission* - September 9th *Voting period* - from 10th to September 23rd *Election results announcement *- September 29th *Please nominate now, and before September 5.* A strong leadership team is vital to the success of IGC, and your involvement in this process will be greatly appreciated. Additionally, feel free to contact me, Tapani or Ian in case you have any doubts about this process! 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Please join the InternetNZ Christchurch call forum and read about the update we received from MFAT and fill in the Doodle Poll to attend the call about the next steps. : https://christchurchcallcoord.internetnz.nz/t/important-announcement-advisory-network-un-general-assembly-pre-event-research-network/218?u=farzaneh.badii Best regards, Farzaneh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The objective of this panel discussion is to introduce > interested volunteers to the DNS ecosystem and provide various perspectives > on the DNS related issues. Speakers include: *Prof. Rodney Ryder*, listed > as one of India's leading lawyers in the '40 under 45' study conducted by > WhosWhoLegal, UK and nominated as 'Leading Lawyer' in intellectual > property, technology,and media law by Asia Law, WhosWhoLegal, Asia Legal > 500; Mr. *Manmeet Pal Singh*, CEO - Reappoint Internet and the Vice > President of ISOC Delhi chapter; Mr. *Vinay Murarka*,Partner V2technosys. > > *VIEW ON LIVESTREAM: https://livestream.com/internetsociety/dnsdialogue/ > * > > *TWITTER: #DNSDialogue @isocdelhi #isocmumbai https://bit.ly/dnsdialogue > * > > *Permalink* > https://isoc.live/11294/ > > > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast > -------------------------------------------------------------- > - > -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Aug 26 09:08:15 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 09:08:15 -0400 Subject: [governance] Prep meeting about Christchurch/UN pre-event /Tomorrow Message-ID: Dear all, We will have an online meeting tomorrow, Tuesday, 27 August 2019, at 11 AM UTC to discuss the Christchurch call, the scheduled meeting before the UN General assembly meeting next month, the research symposium meeting and civil society participation at these events. **** Please join us on Tuesday 27 August 2019 (tomorrow) to receive and discuss the important updates about Christchurch call and next steps. Please find the meeting information below: 27 August 2019, **11 AM UTC** Meeting URL https://bluejeans.com/571274369?src=join_info Meeting ID 571 274 369 Want to dial in from a phone? Dial one of the following numbers: +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose)) +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose)) (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers) Connecting from a room system? Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode Tentative Agenda 1. Convening the advisory network 2. UN General Assembly Pre-event: Representatives and Observers, the Selection process of the speakers and observers 3. Research Symposium https://christchurchcallcoord.internetnz.nz/t/join-the-online-meeting-tuesday-august-27-11-am-utc/229?u=farzaneh.badii Farzaneh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu Fri Aug 2 11:02:16 2019 From: david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu (david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 11:02:16 -0400 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> Message-ID: <3EEBF770-A1AC-4C41-97AC-02FCC6C2F7A4@post.harvard.edu> I am in strong agreement with this, and equally strongly support the subsequent suggested text. David > On Aug 2, 2019, at 4:24 AM, Norbert Bollow wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 03:38:08 +0530 > "Chaitanya Dhareshwar" (via governance Mailing List) > wrote: > >> - A reasonable middle ground between sentencing (law) and honouring >> commitment to free speech would be to give a Community Service >> sentence > > I would strongly object to anything that calls anything a "reasonable > middle ground" which is not fully in alignment with all human rights > including the right to free speech. > > Greetings, > Norbert > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Aug 26 10:11:16 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Deirdre Williams (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 10:11:16 -0400 Subject: [governance] Prep meeting about Christchurch/UN pre-event /Tomorrow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Will try to come but we're about to have a tropical storm. Have a good meeting if I don't make it. Hugs De On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, 09:09 farzaneh badii, wrote: > Dear all, > > We will have an online meeting tomorrow, Tuesday, 27 August 2019, at 11 AM > UTC to discuss the Christchurch call, the scheduled meeting before the UN > General assembly meeting next month, the research symposium meeting and > civil society participation at these events. > > **** > Please join us on Tuesday 27 August 2019 (tomorrow) to receive and discuss > the important updates about Christchurch call and next steps. > > Please find the meeting information below: > > 27 August 2019, **11 AM UTC** > > Meeting URL > https://bluejeans.com/571274369?src=join_info > > Meeting ID > 571 274 369 > > Want to dial in from a phone? > > Dial one of the following numbers: > +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose)) > +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose)) > (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers) > Connecting from a room system? > Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode > > Tentative Agenda > > 1. Convening the advisory network > 2. UN General Assembly Pre-event: Representatives and Observers, the > Selection process of the speakers and observers > 3. Research Symposium > > > https://christchurchcallcoord.internetnz.nz/t/join-the-online-meeting-tuesday-august-27-11-am-utc/229?u=farzaneh.badii > > > Farzaneh > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Mon Aug 26 17:18:29 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 21:18:29 +0000 Subject: [governance] [Call for candidates] IGC Co-Coordinators election In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everyone, Just a reminder that the call for nominations for new co coordinators for IGC is now open. If you want to do something to help civil society be more effective in the internet governance space, this would be a good place for you to volunteer. Self nominations are perfectly OK and very welcome, or by all means start talking to people who you think would be suitable and start a process to nominate them. Nominations are due to close September 5. Details on how to nominate are below. Please give this some thought, as having good co cordinators here will make a real difference. Ian Peter ------ Original Message ------ From: "Bruna Martins dos Santos" To: "governance" Sent: 22/08/2019 11:51:54 AM Subject: [governance] [Call for candidates] IGC Co-Coordinators election >Dear IGC, >Following up on our elections discussions, I would like to kickstart >this process by announcing thatnominations are now open until September >5 for the two vacancies for IGC Co coordinators. > >Self nominations, and nomination of others who you feel would be >suitable, are equally encouraged. We advise you to check if a person is >willing to stand before nominating them: however in any case >confirmation by candidates will be necessary by the close of >nominations to confirm their willingness to stand to the mailing list. > >Nominations are made by a posting to the IGC Mailing List. Please make >the subject of your posting: > >NOMINATION - (name of candidate). And should be accompanied by a 300 >word statement which should include full name, country of residence and >origin, work/involvement with IGF/IGC/civil society activities, and >reasons why the person nominated would be a good Co-ordinator for IGC. >If this information is not supplied at the time of nomination, a short >period of time will be made available at the end of the nomination >period to supply this information before voting commences. > >The voting process is planned to begin on September 10th, after >nominations have been made and all statements are available. More >information about this process will be made available on list before >that date. Two candidates will be elected – one for a two year term, >and one for a one year term. > >The Scrutineers and Returning Officers for the election are Ian Peter >and Tapani Tarvainen. They will be pleased to answer queries on list as >the process develops. > >The following information has been shared on this very mailing list >before, but for any further reference, this is our elections timeline: > > >Nominations - August 22nd until September 5th >Candidates acceptance and Statement submission - September 9th >Voting period - from 10th to September 23rd >Election results announcement - September 29th >Please nominate now, and before September 5. A strong leadership team >is vital to the success of IGC, and your involvement in this process >will be greatly appreciated. Additionally, feel free to contact me, >Tapani or Ian in case you have any doubts about this process! > > > >Best Regards, > >-- >Bruna Martins dos Santos > >Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >@boomartins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Tue Aug 27 06:59:33 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 06:59:33 -0400 Subject: [governance] Prep meeting about Christchurch/UN pre-event /Tomorrow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everyone, We are starting the meeting very soon (in 3 minutes). Join us! 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Best regards Chengetai -- ------------------------ **Arsène Tungali* * Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international *, CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) GPG: 523644A0 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow < http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member Member. UN IGF MAG Member From governance at lists.riseup.net Tue Aug 27 13:29:01 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Deirdre Williams (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 13:29:01 -0400 Subject: [governance] Nomination Message-ID: Sheetal Kumar Country of residence: UK Country of origin: UK I nominate Sheetal Kumar to be one of two co-coordinators for the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC). While several people have been working steadily for more than six months to re-awake and unify a voice of civil society in the internet governance debate, it has been Sheetal’s persistence that has provided the “glue” to hold the group together. She has been open to all points of view, patient, diplomatic, working towards consensus without steering things towards her own preference, while keeping the group together to produce results. IGC needs these skills if it is to survive as an effective actor. Deirdre Williams -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Tue Aug 27 13:59:59 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Sonigitu Ekpe (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 18:59:59 +0100 Subject: [governance] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear All, I second the nomination of Sheetal Kumar. She is imbibe with desirous quality needed for a Co-Coordinator . Warm regards, Sonigitu Ekpe On Tue, 27 Aug 2019, 18:29 Deirdre Williams, wrote: > Sheetal Kumar > > Country of residence: UK > > Country of origin: UK > > I nominate Sheetal Kumar to be one of two co-coordinators for the Internet > Governance Caucus (IGC). While several people have been working steadily > for more than six months to re-awake and unify a voice of civil society in > the internet governance debate, it has been Sheetal’s persistence that has > provided the “glue” to hold the group together. She has been open to all > points of view, patient, diplomatic, working towards consensus without > steering things towards her own preference, while keeping the group > together to produce results. IGC needs these skills if it is to survive as > an effective actor. > > Deirdre Williams > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Tue Aug 27 14:11:36 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Deirdre Williams (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 14:11:36 -0400 Subject: [governance] Nomination Imran Ahmed Shah Message-ID: Imran Ahmed Shah Country of residence: Pakistan I nominate Imran Ahmed Shah to be one of two co-coordinators for the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC). The IGC needs some technical expertise if it is to run smoothly. Jeremy Malcolm has generously been providing that for years – he needs a break. Imran has stepped smoothly, and as generously, into Jeremy’s place, in providing the technical backup to get the IGC up and running again. As well as this he brings a perception of internet governance from the non-anglophone developing world, which it is crucially important should be part of a civil society “voice”. Deirdre Williams -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Tue Aug 27 14:08:48 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 19:08:48 +0100 Subject: [governance] Nomination Imran Ahmed Shah In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I second this nomination and add that it is critical that the nominees have been members for at least over several years to ensure that they have context of the IGC. Being on the technical team with Imran, his leadership, alacrity and efficiency in execution of duties not to mention his collaborative nature has been nothing short of impressive. Sala On Tue, 27 Aug 2019, 7:12 pm Deirdre Williams, wrote: > Imran Ahmed Shah > > Country of residence: Pakistan > > > I nominate Imran Ahmed Shah to be one of two co-coordinators for the > Internet Governance Caucus (IGC). The IGC needs some technical expertise if > it is to run smoothly. Jeremy Malcolm has generously been providing that > for years – he needs a break. Imran has stepped smoothly, and as > generously, into Jeremy’s place, in providing the technical backup to get > the IGC up and running again. As well as this he brings a perception of > internet governance from the non-anglophone developing world, which it is > crucially important should be part of a civil society “voice”. > Deirdre Williams > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Tue Aug 27 14:29:45 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Nadira Alaraj (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 21:29:45 +0300 Subject: [governance] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I second Deirdre nomination to Sheetal Kumar, Sheetal is an achiever, she never leaves any unfinished task before being accomplished. I hope Sheetal will accept to be one of the coordinators to IGC. Nadira AL-Araj On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 20:29 Deirdre Williams wrote: > Sheetal Kumar > > Country of residence: UK > > Country of origin: UK > > I nominate Sheetal Kumar to be one of two co-coordinators for the Internet > Governance Caucus (IGC). While several people have been working steadily > for more than six months to re-awake and unify a voice of civil society in > the internet governance debate, it has been Sheetal’s persistence that has > provided the “glue” to hold the group together. She has been open to all > points of view, patient, diplomatic, working towards consensus without > steering things towards her own preference, while keeping the group > together to produce results. IGC needs these skills if it is to survive as > an effective actor. > > Deirdre Williams > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Tue Aug 27 18:50:30 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Remmy Nweke (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 23:50:30 +0100 Subject: [governance] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Supported ____ REMMY NWEKE, mNGE, Lead Consulting Strategist/Group Executive Editor, DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*] (DigitalSENSE Business News ; ITREALMS , NaijaAgroNet ) Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria *2020 Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable * JOIN us!! *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS ) _________________________________________________________________ *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution. On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 7:30 PM Nadira Alaraj wrote: > I second Deirdre nomination to Sheetal Kumar, > Sheetal is an achiever, she never leaves any unfinished task before being > accomplished. > > I hope Sheetal will accept to be one of the coordinators to IGC. > > Nadira AL-Araj > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019, 20:29 Deirdre Williams > wrote: > >> Sheetal Kumar >> >> Country of residence: UK >> >> Country of origin: UK >> >> I nominate Sheetal Kumar to be one of two co-coordinators for the >> Internet Governance Caucus (IGC). While several people have been working >> steadily for more than six months to re-awake and unify a voice of civil >> society in the internet governance debate, it has been Sheetal’s >> persistence that has provided the “glue” to hold the group together. She >> has been open to all points of view, patient, diplomatic, working towards >> consensus without steering things towards her own preference, while keeping >> the group together to produce results. IGC needs these skills if it is to >> survive as an effective actor. >> >> Deirdre Williams >> >> -- >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William >> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ma.georges at orange.fr Fri Aug 2 07:47:38 2019 From: ma.georges at orange.fr (Marie Georges) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 13:47:38 +0200 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> Message-ID: <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> Complete agreement with you Norbert. Marie Envoyé de mon iPhone > Le 2 août 2019 à 10:24, Norbert Bollow a écrit : > > On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 03:38:08 +0530 > "Chaitanya Dhareshwar" (via governance Mailing List) > wrote: > >> - A reasonable middle ground between sentencing (law) and honouring >> commitment to free speech would be to give a Community Service >> sentence > > I would strongly object to anything that calls anything a "reasonable > middle ground" which is not fully in alignment with all human rights > including the right to free speech. > > Greetings, > Norbert > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 00:50:38 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Michael J. Oghia" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 06:50:38 +0200 Subject: [governance] Nomination Message-ID: Bruna Santos Country of residence: Brazil Country of origin: Brazil I'd like to I nominate Bruna Santos to be one of two co-coordinators for the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC). Ever since I met Bruna at ICANN 58 in Copenhagen, I've witnessed her dedication to and engagement in civil society coordination throughout the IG space. From her leadership within the NCUC, to helping to co-organise various civil society meetings (such as at IGF 2018) and assisting with getting the IGC/Best Bits merger through, I am confident that Bruna will do well in the post if elected. Best, -Michael Oghia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 03:53:55 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 08:53:55 +0100 Subject: [governance] Nomination of Olivier MJ Crepin- LeBlond Message-ID: Dear All, Pending Olivier's acceptance or rejection. I would like to nominate Olivier Crepin-LeBlond his work is well known as he has held many positions such as former Chair of the At Large Advisory Committee (ALAC), led the European Regional At Large Organisation (EURALO), held past leadership positions within the UK etc. He is also part of the teaching Faculty at the European Summer School on Internet Governance held in Meissen. Like Imran, he has institutional memory, leadership skills and the connections needed to take the IGC from the ashes to position it where it needs to be, not just collaborating with groups but making the IGC visible in diverse spaces and restoring its credibility. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 04:25:39 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Michael J. Oghia" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 10:25:39 +0200 Subject: [governance] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everyone, It was brought to my attention that Bruna is currently overseeing the election, so I'm not sure if her nomination can stand without a proper election committee or some kind of policy. I guess the first and simplest thing to ask is: Bruna, are you interested in accepting the nomination? If so, we can discuss further. If not, it's a moot point. Best, -Michael On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 6:50 AM Michael J. Oghia wrote: > Bruna Santos > > Country of residence: Brazil > > Country of origin: Brazil > > I'd like to I nominate Bruna Santos to be one of two co-coordinators for > the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC). Ever since I met Bruna at ICANN 58 in > Copenhagen, I've witnessed her dedication to and engagement in civil > society coordination throughout the IG space. From her leadership within > the NCUC, to helping to co-organise various civil society meetings (such as > at IGF 2018) and assisting with getting the IGC/Best Bits merger through, I > am confident that Bruna will do well in the post if elected. > > Best, > -Michael Oghia > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Wed Aug 28 04:35:07 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 08:35:07 +0000 Subject: [governance] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Michael, Bruna as the standing co ordinator announced the election and call for nominations. That is normal practice. It is perfecly proper for her to serve a second term if she accepts your nomination, and if that is the will of the voters. From this point on the conduct of the election and resulting announcement is in the hands of the two returning officers, Tapani Tarvainen and myself, so there is no conflict of interest. Just making sure that is clear. Ian Peter ------ Original Message ------ From: "Michael J. Oghia" To: "CWCS" Sent: 28/08/2019 6:25:39 PM Subject: Re: [governance] Nomination >Hi everyone, > >It was brought to my attention that Bruna is currently overseeing the >election, so I'm not sure if her nomination can stand without a proper >election committee or some kind of policy. > >I guess the first and simplest thing to ask is: Bruna, are you >interested in accepting the nomination? If so, we can discuss further. >If not, it's a moot point. > >Best, >-Michael > > >On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 6:50 AM Michael J. Oghia >wrote: >>Bruna Santos >> >>Country of residence: Brazil >> >>Country of origin: Brazil >> >>I'd like to I nominate Bruna Santos to be one of two co-coordinators >>for the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC). Ever since I met Bruna at >>ICANN 58 in Copenhagen, I've witnessed her dedication to and >>engagement in civil society coordination throughout the IG space. From >>her leadership within the NCUC, to helping to co-organise various >>civil society meetings (such as at IGF 2018) and assisting with >>getting the IGC/Best Bits merger through, I am confident that Bruna >>will do well in the post if elected. >> >>Best, >>-Michael Oghia >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 04:45:46 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Nyangkwe Agien Aaron (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 09:45:46 +0100 Subject: [governance] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I endose the nomination. On Wed, 28 Aug 2019, 05:51 "Michael J. Oghia", wrote: > Bruna Santos > > Country of residence: Brazil > > Country of origin: Brazil > > I'd like to I nominate Bruna Santos to be one of two co-coordinators for > the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC). Ever since I met Bruna at ICANN 58 in > Copenhagen, I've witnessed her dedication to and engagement in civil > society coordination throughout the IG space. From her leadership within > the NCUC, to helping to co-organise various civil society meetings (such as > at IGF 2018) and assisting with getting the IGC/Best Bits merger through, I > am confident that Bruna will do well in the post if elected. > > Best, > -Michael Oghia > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From y.morenets at againstcybercrime.eu Wed Aug 28 04:56:07 2019 From: y.morenets at againstcybercrime.eu (Yuliya Morenets) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 10:56:07 +0200 Subject: [governance] Nomination Imran Ahmed Shah In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I second Deirdre and support Imran. With all the best, Yuliya Morenets Le 27.08.2019 20:11, Deirdre Williams a écrit : > Imran Ahmed Shah > > Country of residence: Pakistan > > I nominate Imran Ahmed Shah to be one of two co-coordinators for the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC). The IGC needs some technical expertise if it is to run smoothly. Jeremy Malcolm has generously been providing that for years - he needs a break. Imran has stepped smoothly, and as generously, into Jeremy's place, in providing the technical backup to get the IGC up and running again. As well as this he brings a perception of internet governance from the non-anglophone developing world, which it is crucially important should be part of a civil society "voice". > > Deirdre Williams -- > "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 06:14:16 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Nyangkwe Agien Aaron (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 12:14:16 +0200 Subject: [governance] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "It is perfecly proper for her to serve a second term" say Peter. My endosement stands On 8/28/19, Nyangkwe Agien Aaron wrote: > I endose the nomination. > > On Wed, 28 Aug 2019, 05:51 "Michael J. Oghia", > > wrote: > >> Bruna Santos >> >> Country of residence: Brazil >> >> Country of origin: Brazil >> >> I'd like to I nominate Bruna Santos to be one of two co-coordinators for >> the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC). Ever since I met Bruna at ICANN 58 >> in >> Copenhagen, I've witnessed her dedication to and engagement in civil >> society coordination throughout the IG space. From her leadership within >> the NCUC, to helping to co-organise various civil society meetings (such >> as >> at IGF 2018) and assisting with getting the IGC/Best Bits merger through, >> I >> am confident that Bruna will do well in the post if elected. >> >> Best, >> -Michael Oghia >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > -- Aaron Agien NYANGKWE P.O.Box 5213 Douala-Cameroon From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 06:40:01 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 22:40:01 +1200 Subject: [governance] Notice to the IGC [Matter for Determination - Whether Sole Coordinator can contest IGC Elections?] Message-ID: Dear All, 1. I would like to submit that given that there is only one standing coordinator who has to administer the Elections that it is improper to have the sole standing coordinator as a candidate for the elections due to a very clear conflict of interest. 2. Noting that there is a difference of opinion amongst some within the IGC, I would like this question to be put to the Appeals Team for determination as soon as reasonably possible. 3. Thank you. Kind Regards, -- *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* *P. O. Box 17862* *Suva* *Republic of Fiji* *Cell: +679 7656770; * *Home: +679 3362003* *Twitter: @SalanietaT* *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 06:48:15 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Nyangkwe Agien Aaron (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 12:48:15 +0200 Subject: [governance] Notice to the IGC [Matter for Determination - Whether Sole Coordinator can contest IGC Elections?] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear all, In that case, some one from the Appeal team can for the main time administer the election process. What is wrong in that? All the best Aaron On 8/28/19, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" wrote: > Dear All, > > > 1. I would like to submit that given that there is only one standing > coordinator who has to administer the Elections that it is improper to > have > the sole standing coordinator as a candidate for the elections due to a > very clear conflict of interest. > 2. Noting that there is a difference of opinion amongst some within the > IGC, I would like this question to be put to the Appeals Team for > determination as soon as reasonably possible. > 3. Thank you. > > Kind Regards, > > -- > > *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* > > *P. O. Box 17862* > > *Suva* > > > *Republic of Fiji* > > *Cell: +679 7656770; * > > *Home: +679 3362003* > *Twitter: @SalanietaT* > > > > > *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the > greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* > -- Aaron Agien NYANGKWE P.O.Box 5213 Douala-Cameroon From nb at bollow.ch Wed Aug 28 07:23:21 2019 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 13:23:21 +0200 Subject: [governance] Notice to the IGC [Matter for Determination - Whether Sole Coordinator can contest IGC Elections?] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20190828132321.4bc435eb@quill> On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 12:48:15 +0200 "Nyangkwe Agien Aaron" (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > In that case, some one from the Appeal team can for the main time > administer the election process. What is wrong in that? Is there at this point anyone who can reasonably be considered to be "on the Appeal team"??? Greetings, Norbert From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Aug 2 12:45:52 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 17:45:52 +0100 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> Message-ID: Dear All, Please suggest revisions. When there is consensus and we finalise, we can release the statement to China's ambassador to Geneva who is on the MAG. Proposed Draft The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been honored multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his website, 64 Tianwang. Huang Qi's persecution and imprisonment reflects China’s continued repression of free speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those who assisted him. We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights Council this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the OHCHR website. On Fri, 2 Aug 2019, 5:48 pm Marie Georges, wrote: > Complete agreement with you Norbert. > Marie > > Envoyé de mon iPhone > > > Le 2 août 2019 à 10:24, Norbert Bollow a écrit : > > > > On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 03:38:08 +0530 > > "Chaitanya Dhareshwar" (via governance Mailing List) > > wrote: > > > >> - A reasonable middle ground between sentencing (law) and honouring > >> commitment to free speech would be to give a Community Service > >> sentence > > > > I would strongly object to anything that calls anything a "reasonable > > middle ground" which is not fully in alignment with all human rights > > including the right to free speech. > > > > Greetings, > > Norbert > > --- > > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 07:31:44 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 08:31:44 -0300 Subject: [governance] Notice to the IGC [Matter for Determination - Whether Sole Coordinator can contest IGC Elections?] In-Reply-To: <20190828132321.4bc435eb@quill> References: <20190828132321.4bc435eb@quill> Message-ID: Dear Norbert, As of now we have two elections scrutineers who are in fact administrating the elections. All that was done on my side was to define the deadline and announce the election process on the list. Important to note that in one of my previous emails to the list, I announced the team of scrutineers and that they would be overseeing the elections. But given Sala's email I believe I should have cleared it up a bit more. Ps. I understand if some of you raise the point that elections scrutineers might be different than an appeals team. But by the time I announced the elections there were no points raised about the latter hence the reason we decided to to with the scrutineers exclusively... Best regards, Bruna Santos On Wed, 28 Aug 2019, 08:23 Norbert Bollow, wrote: > On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 12:48:15 +0200 > "Nyangkwe Agien Aaron" (via governance Mailing List) > wrote: > > > In that case, some one from the Appeal team can for the main time > > administer the election process. What is wrong in that? > > Is there at this point anyone who can reasonably be considered to be > "on the Appeal team"??? > > Greetings, > Norbert > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 07:30:37 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 12:30:37 +0100 Subject: [governance] Notice to the IGC [Matter for Determination - Whether Sole Coordinator can contest IGC Elections?] In-Reply-To: References: <20190828132321.4bc435eb@quill> Message-ID: There is some confusion. Scrutineers are what we call poll watchers and election observers. The elections is administered by the coordinator with the assistance of a Team or person. The scrutineers exist to make sure there is integrity in the process and counting. The NomCom makes singular determinations and the Appeals Team, reviews appeals against coordinator's or coordinators' decision. The last sitting NomCom needs to be recalled to make the determination. On Wed, 28 Aug 2019, 12:32 pm Bruna Martins dos Santos, < bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Norbert, > > As of now we have two elections scrutineers who are in fact administrating > the elections. All that was done on my side was to define the deadline and > announce the election process on the list. > > Important to note that in one of my previous emails to the list, I > announced the team of scrutineers and that they would be overseeing the > elections. But given Sala's email I believe I should have cleared it up a > bit more. > > Ps. I understand if some of you raise the point that elections scrutineers > might be different than an appeals team. But by the time I announced the > elections there were no points raised about the latter hence the reason we > decided to to with the scrutineers exclusively... > > > Best regards, > Bruna Santos > > On Wed, 28 Aug 2019, 08:23 Norbert Bollow, wrote: > >> On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 12:48:15 +0200 >> "Nyangkwe Agien Aaron" (via governance Mailing List) >> wrote: >> >> > In that case, some one from the Appeal team can for the main time >> > administer the election process. What is wrong in that? >> >> Is there at this point anyone who can reasonably be considered to be >> "on the Appeal team"??? >> >> Greetings, >> Norbert >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 08:22:00 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 13:22:00 +0100 Subject: [governance] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Organizational Roles The IGC will have two coordinators, and an appeals team. Each of these is discussed separately. - Any member of the caucus can be nominated or self-nominate for participation in any of the defined organizational roles. - While there are no defined term limits, it is recommended that those taking organizational roles *absent themselves for at least one year* from any organizational role after serving in that role for one, or at most two, On Wed, 28 Aug 2019, 11:14 am Nyangkwe Agien Aaron, < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > "It is perfecly proper for her to serve a second term" say Peter. > My endosement stands > > On 8/28/19, Nyangkwe Agien Aaron wrote: > > I endose the nomination. > > > > On Wed, 28 Aug 2019, 05:51 "Michael J. Oghia", > > > > wrote: > > > >> Bruna Santos > >> > >> Country of residence: Brazil > >> > >> Country of origin: Brazil > >> > >> I'd like to I nominate Bruna Santos to be one of two co-coordinators for > >> the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC). Ever since I met Bruna at ICANN 58 > >> in > >> Copenhagen, I've witnessed her dedication to and engagement in civil > >> society coordination throughout the IG space. From her leadership within > >> the NCUC, to helping to co-organise various civil society meetings (such > >> as > >> at IGF 2018) and assisting with getting the IGC/Best Bits merger > through, > >> I > >> am confident that Bruna will do well in the post if elected. > >> > >> Best, > >> -Michael Oghia > >> > >> --- > >> To unsubscribe: > >> List help: > >> > > > > > -- > Aaron Agien NYANGKWE > P.O.Box 5213 > Douala-Cameroon > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Wed Aug 28 08:37:55 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 12:37:55 +0000 Subject: [governance] Notice to the IGC [Matter for Determination - Whether Sole Coordinator can contest IGC Elections?] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Sala, I have not seen evidence here of a widespread opinion that Bruna is somehow not entitled to stand. As communicated earlier today on this list, "Bruna as the standing co ordinator announced the election and call for nominations. That is normal practice. It is perfecly proper for her to serve a second term if she accepts your nomination, and if that is the will of the voters. From this point on the conduct of the election and resulting announcement is in the hands of the two returning officers, Tapani Tarvainen and myself, so there is no conflict of interest." The process for running this election in the unusual circumstances we face were clearly announced on this list some time back without any dissent. If I may quote from that announcement, "The voting process is planned to begin on September 10th, after nominations have been made and all statements are available. More information about this process will be made available on list before that date. Two candidates will be elected – one for a two year term, and one for a one year term. The Scrutineers and Returning Officers for the election are Ian Peter and Tapani Tarvainen. They will be pleased to answer queries on list as the process develops." We will be posting more detail about the election process in the next couple of days. At this stage, none of the nominated candidates have been approached to indicate whether they accept their nomination. That will take place in coming days. If there is support for a formal appeal, my suggestion would be to hold it after the election - after all, the election process is one which should give us all a clear indication of what this group wants (thats what elections are all about). Nevertheless, if a sufficient body of opinion here feels that something should be done now, I will happily work with Tapani on a more formal consideration of your suggestion. Ian Peter ------ Original Message ------ From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "governance" ; "Bruna Santos" Sent: 28/08/2019 8:40:01 PM Subject: [governance] Notice to the IGC [Matter for Determination - Whether Sole Coordinator can contest IGC Elections?] >Dear All, > >I would like to submit that given that there is only one standing >coordinator who has to administer the Elections that it is improper to >have the sole standing coordinator as a candidate for the elections due >to a very clear conflict of interest.Noting that there is a difference >of opinion amongst some within the IGC, I would like this question to >be put to the Appeals Team for determination as soon as reasonably >possible.Thank you. >Kind Regards, > >-- >Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T >P. O. Box 17862 >Suva >Republic of Fiji > >Cell: +679 7656770; >Home: +679 3362003 >Twitter: @SalanietaT > > >"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the >greatest quality of the mind next to honour." > >Aristotle > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 08:55:57 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Michael J. Oghia" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 14:55:57 +0200 Subject: [governance] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you for this Ian, I look forward to hearing from Bruna, as well as the other nominees to see if they accept. Best, -Michael On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 10:36 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > Hi Michael, > > Bruna as the standing co ordinator announced the election and call for > nominations. That is normal practice. It is perfecly proper for her to > serve a second term if she accepts your nomination, and if that is the > will of the voters. > > From this point on the conduct of the election and resulting announcement > is in the hands of the two returning officers, Tapani Tarvainen and myself, > so there is no conflict of interest. > > Just making sure that is clear. > > > Ian Peter > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Michael J. Oghia" > To: "CWCS" > Sent: 28/08/2019 6:25:39 PM > Subject: Re: [governance] Nomination > > Hi everyone, > > It was brought to my attention that Bruna is currently overseeing the > election, so I'm not sure if her nomination can stand without a proper > election committee or some kind of policy. > > I guess the first and simplest thing to ask is: Bruna, are you interested > in accepting the nomination? If so, we can discuss further. If not, it's a > moot point. > > Best, > -Michael > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 6:50 AM Michael J. Oghia > wrote: > >> Bruna Santos >> >> Country of residence: Brazil >> >> Country of origin: Brazil >> >> I'd like to I nominate Bruna Santos to be one of two co-coordinators for >> the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC). Ever since I met Bruna at ICANN 58 in >> Copenhagen, I've witnessed her dedication to and engagement in civil >> society coordination throughout the IG space. From her leadership within >> the NCUC, to helping to co-organise various civil society meetings (such as >> at IGF 2018) and assisting with getting the IGC/Best Bits merger through, I >> am confident that Bruna will do well in the post if elected. >> >> Best, >> -Michael Oghia >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 09:00:05 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Deirdre Williams (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 09:00:05 -0400 Subject: [governance] Notice to the IGC [Matter for Determination - Whether Sole Coordinator can contest IGC Elections?] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This sounds like a very acceptable solution. Deirdre On Wed, 28 Aug 2019, 08:38 ian.peter at ianpeter.com, wrote: > Dear Sala, > > I have not seen evidence here of a widespread opinion that Bruna is > somehow not entitled to stand. As communicated earlier today on this list, > > > "Bruna as the standing co ordinator announced the election and call for > nominations. That is normal practice. It is perfecly proper for her to > serve a second term if she accepts your nomination, and if that is the > will of the voters. > > From this point on the conduct of the election and resulting announcement > is in the hands of the two returning officers, Tapani Tarvainen and myself, > so there is no conflict of interest." > > > The process for running this election in the unusual circumstances we face > were clearly announced on this list some time back without any dissent. If > I may quote from that announcement, > > *"The voting process is planned to begin on September 10th*, after > nominations have been made and all statements are available. More > information about this process will be made available on list before that > date. Two candidates will be elected – one for a two year term, and one for > a one year term. > > The Scrutineers and Returning Officers for the election are Ian Peter and > Tapani Tarvainen. They will be pleased to answer queries on list as the > process develops." > > We will be posting more detail about the election process in the next > couple of days. At this stage, none of the nominated candidates have been > approached to indicate whether they accept their nomination. That will take > place in coming days. > > If there is support for a formal appeal, my suggestion would be to hold it > after the election - after all, the election process is one which should > give us all a clear indication of what this group wants (thats what > elections are all about). > > Nevertheless, if a sufficient body of opinion here feels that something > should be done now, I will happily work with Tapani on a more formal > consideration of your suggestion. > > > Ian Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > To: "governance" ; "Bruna Santos" < > bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> > Sent: 28/08/2019 8:40:01 PM > Subject: [governance] Notice to the IGC [Matter for Determination - > Whether Sole Coordinator can contest IGC Elections?] > > Dear All, > > > 1. I would like to submit that given that there is only one standing > coordinator who has to administer the Elections that it is improper to have > the sole standing coordinator as a candidate for the elections due to a > very clear conflict of interest. > 2. Noting that there is a difference of opinion amongst some within > the IGC, I would like this question to be put to the Appeals Team for > determination as soon as reasonably possible. > 3. Thank you. > > Kind Regards, > > -- > > *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* > > *P. O. Box 17862* > > *Suva* > > > *Republic of Fiji* > > *Cell: +679 7656770; * > > *Home: +679 3362003* > *Twitter: @SalanietaT* > > > > > *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the > greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 09:05:09 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 13:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Nomination of Olivier MJ Crepin- LeBlond In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <500792861.330437.1566997509564@mail.yahoo.com> Dear All, I would second the nomination of "Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD", I know him since 2009 ICANN 36th Meeting @Seoul. If he accepts the nomination, and elected in the election process, I am confident that he will be very helpful for IGCaucus.   Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Wednesday, 28 August 2019, 13:02:57 GMT+5, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: Dear All, Pending Olivier's acceptance or rejection. I would like to nominate Olivier Crepin-LeBlond his work is well known as he has held many positions such as former Chair of the At Large Advisory Committee (ALAC), led the European Regional At Large Organisation (EURALO), held past leadership positions within the UK etc. He is also part of the teaching Faculty at the European Summer School on Internet Governance held in Meissen. Like Imran, he has institutional memory, leadership skills and the connections needed to take the IGC from the ashes to position it where it needs to be, not just collaborating with groups but making the IGC visible in diverse spaces and restoring its credibility.--- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 09:10:56 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 13:10:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Nomination Imran Ahmed Shah In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1132657922.357184.1566997856691@mail.yahoo.com> Dear Colleagues at IGCaucus I accept my nomination, submitted by Deirdre. I will submit required information to the Returning Office with in given time frame (and will also share with you). Once again thanking you for your trust. Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Tuesday, 27 August 2019, 23:12:25 GMT+5, Deirdre Williams wrote: Imran Ahmed Shah Country of residence: Pakistan I nominate Imran Ahmed Shah to be one of twoco-coordinators for the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC). The IGC needs sometechnical expertise if it is to run smoothly. Jeremy Malcolm has generouslybeen providing that for years – he needs a break. Imran has stepped smoothly,and as generously, into Jeremy’s place, in providing the technical backup toget the IGC up and running again. As well as this he brings a perception ofinternet governance from the non-anglophone developing world, which it iscrucially important should be part of a civil society “voice”. Deirdre Williams-- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979--- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 10:18:45 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (sivasubramanian muthusamy (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 19:48:45 +0530 Subject: [governance] Nomination of Olivier MJ Crepin- LeBlond In-Reply-To: <500792861.330437.1566997509564@mail.yahoo.com> References: <500792861.330437.1566997509564@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: +1 if Olivier accepts. On Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 6:35 PM Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: > Dear All, > > I would second the nomination of "Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD", I know > him since 2009 ICANN 36th Meeting @Seoul. > > If he accepts the nomination, and elected in the election process, I am > confident that he will be very helpful for IGCaucus. > > Best Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > On Wednesday, 28 August 2019, 13:02:57 GMT+5, Salanieta T. > Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: > > > Dear All, > > Pending Olivier's acceptance or rejection. I would like to nominate > Olivier Crepin-LeBlond his work is well known as he has held many positions > such as former Chair of the At Large Advisory Committee (ALAC), led the > European Regional At Large Organisation (EURALO), held past leadership > positions within the UK etc. He is also part of the teaching Faculty at the > European Summer School on Internet Governance held in Meissen. > > Like Imran, he has institutional memory, leadership skills and the > connections needed to take the IGC from the ashes to position it where it > needs to be, not just collaborating with groups but making the IGC visible > in diverse spaces and restoring its credibility. > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 10:18:23 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Lee W McKnight (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 14:18:23 +0000 Subject: [governance] Notice to the IGC [Matter for Determination - Whether Sole Coordinator can contest IGC Elections?] In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <11175dac79a0414b8773925ce40f45ac@syr.edu> I agree with Ian's review of the timeline and roles and responsibilities. Can we please just get this moribund beast resuscitated? ________________________________ From: governance-request at lists.riseup.net on behalf of ian.peter at ianpeter.com Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 8:37:55 AM To: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com; governance; Bruna Santos Subject: Re: [governance] Notice to the IGC [Matter for Determination - Whether Sole Coordinator can contest IGC Elections?] Dear Sala, I have not seen evidence here of a widespread opinion that Bruna is somehow not entitled to stand. As communicated earlier today on this list, "Bruna as the standing co ordinator announced the election and call for nominations. That is normal practice. It is perfecly proper for her to serve a second term if she accepts your nomination, and if that is the will of the voters. >From this point on the conduct of the election and resulting announcement is in the hands of the two returning officers, Tapani Tarvainen and myself, so there is no conflict of interest." The process for running this election in the unusual circumstances we face were clearly announced on this list some time back without any dissent. If I may quote from that announcement, "The voting process is planned to begin on September 10th, after nominations have been made and all statements are available. More information about this process will be made available on list before that date. Two candidates will be elected – one for a two year term, and one for a one year term. The Scrutineers and Returning Officers for the election are Ian Peter and Tapani Tarvainen. They will be pleased to answer queries on list as the process develops." We will be posting more detail about the election process in the next couple of days. At this stage, none of the nominated candidates have been approached to indicate whether they accept their nomination. That will take place in coming days. If there is support for a formal appeal, my suggestion would be to hold it after the election - after all, the election process is one which should give us all a clear indication of what this group wants (thats what elections are all about). Nevertheless, if a sufficient body of opinion here feels that something should be done now, I will happily work with Tapani on a more formal consideration of your suggestion. Ian Peter ------ Original Message ------ From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > To: "governance" >; "Bruna Santos" > Sent: 28/08/2019 8:40:01 PM Subject: [governance] Notice to the IGC [Matter for Determination - Whether Sole Coordinator can contest IGC Elections?] Dear All, 1. I would like to submit that given that there is only one standing coordinator who has to administer the Elections that it is improper to have the sole standing coordinator as a candidate for the elections due to a very clear conflict of interest. 2. Noting that there is a difference of opinion amongst some within the IGC, I would like this question to be put to the Appeals Team for determination as soon as reasonably possible. 3. Thank you. Kind Regards, -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T P. O. Box 17862 Suva Republic of Fiji Cell: +679 7656770; Home: +679 3362003 Twitter: @SalanietaT "You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honour." 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URL: From james at cyberinvasion.net Wed Aug 28 10:23:26 2019 From: james at cyberinvasion.net (James Gannon) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 14:23:26 +0000 Subject: [governance] Notice to the IGC [Matter for Determination - Whether Sole Coordinator can contest IGC Elections?] In-Reply-To: <11175dac79a0414b8773925ce40f45ac@syr.edu> References: <11175dac79a0414b8773925ce40f45ac@syr.edu> Message-ID: <1B40C01A-C68B-433E-9ACF-BD4578971B08@cyberinvasion.net> Agreed. I have full trust in Ian and Tapani here. Sent from my iPhone On 28 Aug 2019, at 10:19, Lee W McKnight wrote:  I agree with Ian's review of the timeline and roles and responsibilities. Can we please just get this moribund beast resuscitated? ________________________________ From: governance-request at lists.riseup.net on behalf of ian.peter at ianpeter.com Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 8:37:55 AM To: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com; governance; Bruna Santos Subject: Re: [governance] Notice to the IGC [Matter for Determination - Whether Sole Coordinator can contest IGC Elections?] Dear Sala, I have not seen evidence here of a widespread opinion that Bruna is somehow not entitled to stand. As communicated earlier today on this list, "Bruna as the standing co ordinator announced the election and call for nominations. That is normal practice. It is perfecly proper for her to serve a second term if she accepts your nomination, and if that is the will of the voters. From this point on the conduct of the election and resulting announcement is in the hands of the two returning officers, Tapani Tarvainen and myself, so there is no conflict of interest." The process for running this election in the unusual circumstances we face were clearly announced on this list some time back without any dissent. If I may quote from that announcement, "The voting process is planned to begin on September 10th, after nominations have been made and all statements are available. More information about this process will be made available on list before that date. Two candidates will be elected – one for a two year term, and one for a one year term. The Scrutineers and Returning Officers for the election are Ian Peter and Tapani Tarvainen. They will be pleased to answer queries on list as the process develops." We will be posting more detail about the election process in the next couple of days. At this stage, none of the nominated candidates have been approached to indicate whether they accept their nomination. That will take place in coming days. If there is support for a formal appeal, my suggestion would be to hold it after the election - after all, the election process is one which should give us all a clear indication of what this group wants (thats what elections are all about). Nevertheless, if a sufficient body of opinion here feels that something should be done now, I will happily work with Tapani on a more formal consideration of your suggestion. Ian Peter ------ Original Message ------ From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > To: "governance" >; "Bruna Santos" > Sent: 28/08/2019 8:40:01 PM Subject: [governance] Notice to the IGC [Matter for Determination - Whether Sole Coordinator can contest IGC Elections?] Dear All, 1. I would like to submit that given that there is only one standing coordinator who has to administer the Elections that it is improper to have the sole standing coordinator as a candidate for the elections due to a very clear conflict of interest. 2. Noting that there is a difference of opinion amongst some within the IGC, I would like this question to be put to the Appeals Team for determination as soon as reasonably possible. 3. Thank you. Kind Regards, -- Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T P. O. Box 17862 Suva Republic of Fiji Cell: +679 7656770; Home: +679 3362003 Twitter: @SalanietaT "You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 10:21:11 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 15:21:11 +0100 Subject: [governance] Notice to the IGC [Matter for Determination - Whether Sole Coordinator can contest IGC Elections?] In-Reply-To: <1B40C01A-C68B-433E-9ACF-BD4578971B08@cyberinvasion.net> References: <11175dac79a0414b8773925ce40f45ac@syr.edu> <1B40C01A-C68B-433E-9ACF-BD4578971B08@cyberinvasion.net> Message-ID: Let's get the beast rolling and get on with it. Aside from elections, there also needs to be an Appeals Team. As with everyone, I can't wait to have the 2 coordinators appointed so we can get on with core. I should point out the following though: Organizational Roles The IGC will have two coordinators, and an appeals team. Each of these is discussed separately. - Any member of the caucus can be nominated or self-nominate for participation in any of the defined organizational roles. - While there are no defined term limits, it is recommended that those taking organizational roles *absent themselves for at least one year* from any organizational role after serving in that role for one, or at most two, On Wed, 28 Aug 2019, 3:23 pm James Gannon, wrote: > Agreed. I have full trust in Ian and Tapani here. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 28 Aug 2019, at 10:19, Lee W McKnight > wrote: > >  > > I agree with Ian's review of the timeline and roles and responsibilities. > > > Can we please just get this moribund beast resuscitated? > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* governance-request at lists.riseup.net < > governance-request at lists.riseup.net> on behalf of ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2019 8:37:55 AM > *To:* salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com; governance; Bruna Santos > *Subject:* Re: [governance] Notice to the IGC [Matter for Determination - > Whether Sole Coordinator can contest IGC Elections?] > > Dear Sala, > > I have not seen evidence here of a widespread opinion that Bruna is > somehow not entitled to stand. As communicated earlier today on this list, > > > "Bruna as the standing co ordinator announced the election and call for > nominations. That is normal practice. It is perfecly proper for her to > serve a second term if she accepts your nomination, and if that is the > will of the voters. > > From this point on the conduct of the election and resulting announcement > is in the hands of the two returning officers, Tapani Tarvainen and myself, > so there is no conflict of interest." > > > The process for running this election in the unusual circumstances we face > were clearly announced on this list some time back without any dissent. If > I may quote from that announcement, > > *"The voting process is planned to begin on September 10th*, after > nominations have been made and all statements are available. More > information about this process will be made available on list before that > date. Two candidates will be elected – one for a two year term, and one for > a one year term. > > The Scrutineers and Returning Officers for the election are Ian Peter and > Tapani Tarvainen. They will be pleased to answer queries on list as the > process develops." > > We will be posting more detail about the election process in the next > couple of days. At this stage, none of the nominated candidates have been > approached to indicate whether they accept their nomination. That will take > place in coming days. > > If there is support for a formal appeal, my suggestion would be to hold it > after the election - after all, the election process is one which should > give us all a clear indication of what this group wants (thats what > elections are all about). > > Nevertheless, if a sufficient body of opinion here feels that something > should be done now, I will happily work with Tapani on a more formal > consideration of your suggestion. > > > Ian Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > To: "governance" ; "Bruna Santos" < > bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> > Sent: 28/08/2019 8:40:01 PM > Subject: [governance] Notice to the IGC [Matter for Determination - > Whether Sole Coordinator can contest IGC Elections?] > > Dear All, > > > 1. I would like to submit that given that there is only one standing > coordinator who has to administer the Elections that it is improper to have > the sole standing coordinator as a candidate for the elections due to a > very clear conflict of interest. > 2. Noting that there is a difference of opinion amongst some within > the IGC, I would like this question to be put to the Appeals Team for > determination as soon as reasonably possible. > 3. Thank you. > > Kind Regards, > > -- > > *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T * > > *P. O. Box 17862 * > > *Suva * > > > *Republic of Fiji * > > *Cell: +679 7656770; * > > *Home: +679 3362003 * > *Twitter: @SalanietaT* > > > > > *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. 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With all the best, Yuliya Morenets Le 27.08.2019 20:11, Deirdre Williams a écrit : Imran Ahmed Shah Country of residence: Pakistan I nominate Imran Ahmed Shah to be one of two co-coordinators for the Internet Governance Caucus (IGC). The IGC needs some technical expertise if it is to run smoothly. Jeremy Malcolm has generously been providing that for years – he needs a break. Imran has stepped smoothly, and as generously, into Jeremy's place, in providing the technical backup to get the IGC up and running again. As well as this he brings a perception of internet governance from the non-anglophone developing world, which it is crucially important should be part of a civil society "voice". Deirdre Williams -- "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 --- To unsubscribe: > List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 12:01:32 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Capda Capda (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 18:01:32 +0200 Subject: [governance] Nomination of Olivier MJ Crepin- LeBlond In-Reply-To: References: <500792861.330437.1566997509564@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: +1 for Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond Le mer. 28 août 2019 à 16:19, sivasubramanian muthusamy < governance at lists.riseup.net> a écrit : > +1 if Olivier accepts. > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 6:35 PM Imran Ahmed Shah < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> I would second the nomination of "Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD", I >> know him since 2009 ICANN 36th Meeting @Seoul. >> >> If he accepts the nomination, and elected in the election process, I am >> confident that he will be very helpful for IGCaucus. >> >> Best Regards >> >> Imran Ahmed Shah >> >> On Wednesday, 28 August 2019, 13:02:57 GMT+5, Salanieta T. >> Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> Pending Olivier's acceptance or rejection. I would like to nominate >> Olivier Crepin-LeBlond his work is well known as he has held many positions >> such as former Chair of the At Large Advisory Committee (ALAC), led the >> European Regional At Large Organisation (EURALO), held past leadership >> positions within the UK etc. He is also part of the teaching Faculty at the >> European Summer School on Internet Governance held in Meissen. >> >> Like Imran, he has institutional memory, leadership skills and the >> connections needed to take the IGC from the ashes to position it where it >> needs to be, not just collaborating with groups but making the IGC visible >> in diverse spaces and restoring its credibility. >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- *Michel TCHONANG LINZE* *Coordinateur Général* *ÉVÈNEMENTS SUR LES TIC :* Þ *8ème AfIGF du 10 au 12 septembre 2019 N'Djamena - Tchad * Þ *ITU Telecom World du 09 au 12 septembre 2019 à Budapest - Hongrie* Þ *FGI global à Berlin du 25 au 29 Novembre 2019.* *C**APDA (Consortium d'Appui aux Actions pour la Promotion et le Développement de l'Afrique)* *BP : 15 151 DOUALA - CAMEROUN Tél. : (237) 67775-39-63 / 24212-9493 Email : capdasiege at gmail.com Site : www.capda.ong* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Antonio Medina Gómez Presidente Asociación Colombiana de Usuarios de Internet El mié, 28 de agosto de 2019 11:02 a. m., Capda Capda < governance at lists.riseup.net> escribió: > +1 for Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond > > Le mer. 28 août 2019 à 16:19, sivasubramanian muthusamy < > governance at lists.riseup.net> a écrit : > >> +1 if Olivier accepts. >> >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019, 6:35 PM Imran Ahmed Shah < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> I would second the nomination of "Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD", I >>> know him since 2009 ICANN 36th Meeting @Seoul. >>> >>> If he accepts the nomination, and elected in the election process, I am >>> confident that he will be very helpful for IGCaucus. >>> >>> Best Regards >>> >>> Imran Ahmed Shah >>> >>> On Wednesday, 28 August 2019, 13:02:57 GMT+5, Salanieta T. >>> Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >>> >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> Pending Olivier's acceptance or rejection. I would like to nominate >>> Olivier Crepin-LeBlond his work is well known as he has held many positions >>> such as former Chair of the At Large Advisory Committee (ALAC), led the >>> European Regional At Large Organisation (EURALO), held past leadership >>> positions within the UK etc. He is also part of the teaching Faculty at the >>> European Summer School on Internet Governance held in Meissen. >>> >>> Like Imran, he has institutional memory, leadership skills and the >>> connections needed to take the IGC from the ashes to position it where it >>> needs to be, not just collaborating with groups but making the IGC visible >>> in diverse spaces and restoring its credibility. >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > > > -- > > > *Michel TCHONANG LINZE* > > *Coordinateur Général* > > *ÉVÈNEMENTS SUR LES TIC :* > > Þ *8ème AfIGF du 10 au 12 septembre 2019 N'Djamena > > - Tchad * > > Þ *ITU Telecom World du 09 au 12 septembre 2019 à Budapest - Hongrie* > > Þ *FGI global à Berlin du 25 au 29 Novembre 2019.* > > > > *C**APDA (Consortium d'Appui aux Actions pour la Promotion et le > Développement de l'Afrique)* > > > *BP : 15 151 DOUALA - CAMEROUN Tél. : (237) 67775-39-63 / 24212-9493 > Email : capdasiege at gmail.com Site : www.capda.ong* > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ocl at gih.com Wed Aug 28 12:30:04 2019 From: ocl at gih.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Olivier_MJ_Cr=c3=a9pin-Leblond?=) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 18:30:04 +0200 Subject: [governance] Nomination of Olivier MJ Crepin- LeBlond In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9b17a3c6-577e-701d-4e74-84e6363876dc@gih.com> Dear Sala, Dear colleagues and friends, whilst I am flattered to have been nominated by Sala and thank her for this nomination, I must sadly decline the nomination at this point in time as I already have way too many commitments. In fact, I am trying to reduce my spread at the moment in order to be able to contribute more significantly in the positions I currently hold - and that's already a challenge. That being said, I am a strong supporter of the IGC and am seeing excellent nominations already being made, so I look forward to voting and working with the people that will have been selected through the electoral process. Last but not least, I might not be vocal that often on the mailing list, but I suspect that I am like a lot of subscribers to this mailing list: reading and learning a lot of interesting things, and often agreeing with the views that are being expressed by others. I guess I'd probably jump in if I saw something that I really disagreed with. :-) Kindest regards, Olivier On 28/08/2019 09:53, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > Dear All, > > Pending Olivier's acceptance or rejection. I would like to nominate > Olivier Crepin-LeBlond his work is well known as he has held many > positions such as former Chair of the At Large Advisory Committee > (ALAC), led the European Regional At Large Organisation (EURALO), held > past leadership positions within the UK etc. He is also part of the > teaching Faculty at the European Summer School on Internet Governance > held in Meissen. > > Like Imran, he has institutional memory, leadership skills and the > connections needed to take the IGC from the ashes to position it where > it needs to be, not just collaborating with groups but making the IGC > visible in diverse spaces and restoring its credibility. > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: -- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 13:24:53 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 18:24:53 +0100 Subject: [governance] Nomination of Olivier MJ Crepin- LeBlond In-Reply-To: <9b17a3c6-577e-701d-4e74-84e6363876dc@gih.com> References: <9b17a3c6-577e-701d-4e74-84e6363876dc@gih.com> Message-ID: Thanks Olivier. We tried. :) On Wed, 28 Aug 2019, 5:30 pm Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, wrote: > Dear Sala, > Dear colleagues and friends, > > whilst I am flattered to have been nominated by Sala and thank her for > this nomination, I must sadly decline the nomination at this point in time > as I already have way too many commitments. In fact, I am trying to reduce > my spread at the moment in order to be able to contribute more > significantly in the positions I currently hold - and that's already a > challenge. > That being said, I am a strong supporter of the IGC and am seeing > excellent nominations already being made, so I look forward to voting and > working with the people that will have been selected through the electoral > process. Last but not least, I might not be vocal that often on the mailing > list, but I suspect that I am like a lot of subscribers to this mailing > list: reading and learning a lot of interesting things, and often agreeing > with the views that are being expressed by others. I guess I'd probably > jump in if I saw something that I really disagreed with. :-) > Kindest regards, > > Olivier > > On 28/08/2019 09:53, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance > Mailing List) wrote: > > Dear All, > > Pending Olivier's acceptance or rejection. I would like to nominate > Olivier Crepin-LeBlond his work is well known as he has held many positions > such as former Chair of the At Large Advisory Committee (ALAC), led the > European Regional At Large Organisation (EURALO), held past leadership > positions within the UK etc. He is also part of the teaching Faculty at the > European Summer School on Internet Governance held in Meissen. > > Like Imran, he has institutional memory, leadership skills and the > connections needed to take the IGC from the ashes to position it where it > needs to be, not just collaborating with groups but making the IGC visible > in diverse spaces and restoring its credibility. > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > > -- > Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhDhttp://www.gih.com/ocl.html > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 18:50:02 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 00:50:02 +0200 Subject: [governance] Fwd: [ContentModeration] Fwd: Prep meeting about Christchurch/UN pre-event /Tomorrow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Draft notes of Christchurch call prep meeting. All, During our meeting on August 27, we covered three important issues. I am going to streamline the discussions but you can also see the full recording for yourself at this link:[[https://bluejeans.com/s/xbpc5/] 1. The advisory network: It is very important to join this advisory network if you want to be involved and contribute to the future of Christchruch call. Deadline is September 2. How to apply is explained in [Important Announcement] Advisory Network, UN General Assembly Pre-event, Research Network - It is important *to join the advisory network* so that you can have a say later on about who to nominate to attend the side meeting of UN General assembly - *The composition of the advisory network*: during the meeting we discussed who would be joining this network, what are the criteria and whether businesses can join as well and what do we mean by the technical community. It seems like this is an open question and the NZ gov does not have a set answer set criteria. So if you want to give them some criteria based on which they can build this advisory network and recruit members, please send them feedback. One thing that was clear was that the advisory network is going to be non-technical. - As it was raised during the meeting, During the G7 meeting recently an Internet charter was adopted or committed to by member states. We discussed how that document could affect Christchurch call. 1. the UN General Assembly, *Christ Church Call side meeting*: Up to 10 civil society reps as observers can join this meeting. One or two reps can present for 5 minutes or less. - The nomination of participants at the UN General Assembly side meeting: Nomination will take place through the advisory network members. So make sure you are a member! The advisory network will also have a say on who would be speaking as the civil society rep. My understanding is that while all the nominations and suggestions might not be taken into account, the advisory network will have a crucial role in nominations. If you have not received the EOI, please let me know I can forward it to you. 3.Research symposium before the Side meeting in Septemeber: - Nathan Torkington and Ellen Strickland will come up with an agenda for the symposium (date is TBD, but it will be between 20 to 22 September). It is not an academic conference so not everyone will be able to present their research outcome. But all the participants can contribute to the discussion during the symposium based on their own perspective and their research outcome. As Ellen said during the call, it is more of gathering collective wisdom and knowledge than fighting for a certain position. - Courtney C. Radsch raised the issue that much research has been done about the moderation of violent, extremist content. How does the symposium include such reserach? Nat responded that we should take the survey he has prepared in order to explore the areas where a lot of research has been done, and identify the research gap. The survey is here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSce0KNEJQa3K2SMpSx17CJc0cxckLBqx9-OhQ6AObSmcZ6Adw/viewform *Action Items* 1. Join the Advisory Network (Deadline September 2) - if you don’t have the EOI please let me know 2. Send feedback to NZ government about the membership criteria of the advisory network and its responsibilities 3. Sing up for Nathan Torkington and Ellen Strickland Symposium before the UN side meeting. Take this survey so that Nathan and Ellen can come up with a better agenda: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSce0KNEJQa3K2SMpSx17CJc0cxckLBqx9-OhQ6AObSmcZ6Adw/viewform ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: farzaneh badii Date: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [ContentModeration] Fwd: Prep meeting about Christchurch/UN pre-event /Tomorrow To: Javier Pallero Cc: como Since I have been receiving emails about no access to the forum., I am copying the notes here, but please if you get a chance join the forum. Anyone can join. All, During our meeting on August 27, we covered three important issues. I am going to streamline the discussions but you can also see the full recording for yourself at this link:[[https://bluejeans.com/s/xbpc5/] 1. The advisory network: It is very important to join this advisory network if you want to be involved and contribute to the future of Christchruch call. Deadline is September 2. How to apply is explained in [Important Announcement] Advisory Network, UN General Assembly Pre-event, Research Network - It is important *to join the advisory network* so that you can have a say later on about who to nominate to attend the side meeting of UN General assembly - *The composition of the advisory network*: during the meeting we discussed who would be joining this network, what are the criteria and whether businesses can join as well and what do we mean by the technical community. It seems like this is an open question and the NZ gov does not have a set answer set criteria. So if you want to give them some criteria based on which they can build this advisory network and recruit members, please send them feedback. One thing that was clear was that the advisory network is going to be non-technical. - As it was raised during the meeting, During the G7 meeting recently an Internet charter was adopted or committed to by member states. We discussed how that document could affect Christchurch call. 1. the UN General Assembly, *Christ Church Call side meeting*: Up to 10 civil society reps as observers can join this meeting. One or two reps can present for 5 minutes or less. - The nomination of participants at the UN General Assembly side meeting: Nomination will take place through the advisory network members. So make sure you are a member! The advisory network will also have a say on who would be speaking as the civil society rep. My understanding is that while all the nominations and suggestions might not be taken into account, the advisory network will have a crucial role in nominations. If you have not received the EOI, please let me know I can forward it to you. 3.Research symposium before the Side meeting in Septemeber: - Nathan Torkington and Ellen Strickland will come up with an agenda for the symposium (date is TBD, but it will be between 20 to 22 September). It is not an academic conference so not everyone will be able to present their research outcome. But all the participants can contribute to the discussion during the symposium based on their own perspective and their research outcome. As Ellen said during the call, it is more of gathering collective wisdom and knowledge than fighting for a certain position. - Courtney C. Radsch raised the issue that much research has been done about the moderation of violent, extremist content. How does the symposium include such reserach? Nat responded that we should take the survey he has prepared in order to explore the areas where a lot of research has been done, and identify the research gap. The survey is here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSce0KNEJQa3K2SMpSx17CJc0cxckLBqx9-OhQ6AObSmcZ6Adw/viewform *Action Items* 1. Join the Advisory Network (Deadline September 2) - if you don’t have the EOI please let me know 2. Send feedback to NZ government about the membership criteria of the advisory network and its responsibilities 3. Sing up for Nathan Torkington and Ellen Strickland Symposium before the UN side meeting. Take this survey so that Nathan and Ellen can come up with a better agenda: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSce0KNEJQa3K2SMpSx17CJc0cxckLBqx9-OhQ6AObSmcZ6Adw/viewform That’s it for now from me. Farzaneh On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 12:38 AM farzaneh badii wrote: > Thanks all for following up. > > I just sent some rough notes to InternetNZ coordination forum about this, > please go to this link to read it: > https://christchurchcallcoord.internetnz.nz/t/notes-and-action-items-on-christchruch-call/234 > > There are important deadlines and other tasks to follow up on so if you > can't access that link for any reason, please let me know. > > Best > > > Farzaneh > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 11:11 PM Javier Pallero > wrote: > >> >> Hi Farzaneh, everyone. >> >> Thanks for sharing the info for the call. Sadly, I couldn't make it. Do >> you know if someone has notes of the meeting or the basic points that were >> agreed upon? >> Thanks a lot! >> ---- >> >> *Javier Pallero* >> >> Policy Lead - Latin America >> Encargado de Políticas Públicas - Latinoamérica >> >> Access Now | accessnow.org >> >> PGP 0xEBFD028A >> Fingerprint 0503 FBA1 10B2 B83C 61FC FE3B 4E7E EBDD EBFD 028A >> >> ☞ *Join* the RightsCon community - get >> updates via the RightsCon Rundown >> ☞ *Subscribe* to the Access Now Express >> , our weekly newsletter on >> digital rights >> ☞ *Protect digital rights* around the world - Follow Access Now on Twitter >> and Instagram >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 10:09 AM farzaneh badii via COMO < >> como at lists.eff.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> We will have an online meeting tomorrow, Tuesday, 27 August 2019, at 11 >>> AM UTC to discuss the Christchurch call, the scheduled meeting before the >>> UN General assembly meeting next month, the research symposium meeting and >>> civil society participation at these events. >>> >>> **** >>> Please join us on Tuesday 27 August 2019 (tomorrow) to receive and >>> discuss the important updates about Christchurch call and next steps. >>> >>> Please find the meeting information below: >>> >>> 27 August 2019, **11 AM UTC** >>> >>> Meeting URL >>> https://bluejeans.com/571274369?src=join_info >>> >>> Meeting ID >>> 571 274 369 >>> >>> Want to dial in from a phone? >>> >>> Dial one of the following numbers: >>> +1.408.740.7256 (US (San Jose)) >>> +1.408.317.9253 (US (Primary, San Jose)) >>> (see all numbers - https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers) >>> Connecting from a room system? >>> Dial: bjn.vc or 199.48.152.152 and enter your meeting ID & passcode >>> >>> Tentative Agenda >>> >>> 1. 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We will follow up on anyone who for any reason does not receive the voting link. The voting process will firstly ask people to confirm that they identify as civil society they subscribe to the charter of IGC they have not previously voted in this election they have been subscribed to IGC mailing list for more than 2 months To proceed to voting, participants must answer positively to all these questions. They are not eligible to vote otherwise. For those who are eligible, they will now be directed to the voting page. The page consists of a list of each candidate, and also the option “None of the above” . The order of candidates will be decided by drawing names from a hat. A valid vote could be a. selecting one candidates b selecting two candidates selecting “None of the Above” All other combinations (more than two candidates ticked, no options ticked) will create invalid votes. Please note: The “none of the above” option is important: because it is only by participating in the election that someone can become a current member of IGC. So someone can become a member without expressing support for any particular candidate if they so wish. All of this will be clearly explained on the voting page. After you have completed your vote, you will receive a follow up email confirming your participation and membership of IGC. At the close of elections, the returning officers will announce results and overall vote totals: plus any other relevant information about informal votes etc. New co coordinators can then take their place for their respective terms.. Also at that time we will have a valid and up to date list of IGC members (for the first time in years). That will enable actions like appointing an Appeals Team to take place according to processes outlined in the Charter. That's it in a nutshell: everything should be straightforward when you receive the voting slip, but we will post follow up messages on list and reminders during the process. Myself and Tapani will also be available to deal with any queries and anomalies. Ian Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sat Aug 3 01:39:28 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Jacob Odame-Baiden (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 05:39:28 +0000 Subject: [governance] Fast Broadband rollout in Britain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks so much for sharing this Sala. Br, On Sat, 3 Aug 2019, 00:10 "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro", < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > Dear All, > > Fascinating intention by Britain's new PM on Fast Broadband rollout in the > UK and uproar from ISPs: > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/technology-49209013 > > Where universal service is not just fixed line but fast broadband. > > Kind Regards, > Sala > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 20:10:41 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 01:10:41 +0100 Subject: [governance] Voting Process for election of co coordinators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wonderful progress. Thank you Ian and Tapani. On Thu, 29 Aug 2019, 1:13 am ian.peter at ianpeter.com, wrote: > This is some background on the election process for those interested: > > At this stage we envisage nominations closing on September 5, and after > that a short period where candidates can confirm their nominations and > supply 300 word statements for the benefit of voters. > > Election software is currently being prepared and will be tested by a > small group between now and September 10. > > On September 10 (approx) voting will commence, and run for approximately 2 > weeks. > > Each email address on the IGC mailing list for 2 months or more will > receive an individual email when voting is ready to commence, which > contains a link to click on to participate in voting. The link is > registered to that email address – so is not transferable. We will follow > up on anyone who for any reason does not receive the voting link. > > The voting process will firstly ask people to confirm that > > - > > they identify as civil society > - > > they subscribe to the charter of IGC > - > > they have not previously voted in this election > - > > they have been subscribed to IGC mailing list for more than 2 months > > > To proceed to voting, participants must answer positively to all these > questions. They are not eligible to vote otherwise. > > For those who are eligible, they will now be directed to the voting page. > > The page consists of a list of each candidate, and also the option “None > of the above” . The order of candidates will be decided by drawing names > from a hat. > > A valid vote could be > > a. selecting one candidates > > b selecting two candidates > > 1. > > selecting “None of the Above” > > All other combinations (more than two candidates ticked, no options > ticked) will create invalid votes. > > Please note: The “none of the above” option is important: because it is > only by participating in the election that someone can become a current > member of IGC. So someone can become a member without expressing support > for any particular candidate if they so wish. > > All of this will be clearly explained on the voting page. > > After you have completed your vote, you will receive a follow up email > confirming your participation and membership of IGC. > > At the close of elections, the returning officers will announce results > and overall vote totals: plus any other relevant information about informal > votes etc. New co coordinators can then take their place for their > respective terms.. > > Also at that time we will have a valid and up to date list of IGC members > (for the first time in years). That will enable actions like appointing an > Appeals Team to take place according to processes outlined in the Charter. > > That's it in a nutshell: everything should be straightforward when you > receive the voting slip, but we will post follow up messages on list and > reminders during the process. Myself and Tapani will also be available to > deal with any queries and anomalies. > > > Ian Peter > > > > > > > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng Wed Aug 28 20:33:24 2019 From: udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng (=?UTF-8?B?Q2hyaXMgUHJpbmNlIFVkb2NodWt3dSBOauG7jWvhu6U=?=) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 01:33:24 +0100 Subject: [governance] Voting Process for election of co coordinators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is awesome, an excellent show of commitment to work and attention to detail. The following clause sparked a question in my mind: "they have not previously voted in this election". fo Shouldn't the voting software be able to know that someone had already voted and disallow a second attempt? On Thursday, August 29, 2019, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: > This is some background on the election process for those interested: > > At this stage we envisage nominations closing on September 5, and after > that a short period where candidates can confirm their nominations and > supply 300 word statements for the benefit of voters. > > Election software is currently being prepared and will be tested by a > small group between now and September 10. > > On September 10 (approx) voting will commence, and run for approximately 2 > weeks. > > Each email address on the IGC mailing list for 2 months or more will > receive an individual email when voting is ready to commence, which > contains a link to click on to participate in voting. The link is > registered to that email address – so is not transferable. We will follow > up on anyone who for any reason does not receive the voting link. > > The voting process will firstly ask people to confirm that > > - > > they identify as civil society > - > > they subscribe to the charter of IGC > - > > they have not previously voted in this election > - > > they have been subscribed to IGC mailing list for more than 2 months > > > To proceed to voting, participants must answer positively to all these > questions. They are not eligible to vote otherwise. > > For those who are eligible, they will now be directed to the voting page. > > The page consists of a list of each candidate, and also the option “None > of the above” . The order of candidates will be decided by drawing names > from a hat. > > A valid vote could be > > a. selecting one candidates > > b selecting two candidates > > 1. > > selecting “None of the Above” > > All other combinations (more than two candidates ticked, no options > ticked) will create invalid votes. > > Please note: The “none of the above” option is important: because it is > only by participating in the election that someone can become a current > member of IGC. So someone can become a member without expressing support > for any particular candidate if they so wish. > > All of this will be clearly explained on the voting page. > > After you have completed your vote, you will receive a follow up email > confirming your participation and membership of IGC. > > At the close of elections, the returning officers will announce results > and overall vote totals: plus any other relevant information about informal > votes etc. New co coordinators can then take their place for their > respective terms.. > > Also at that time we will have a valid and up to date list of IGC members > (for the first time in years). That will enable actions like appointing an > Appeals Team to take place according to processes outlined in the Charter. > > That's it in a nutshell: everything should be straightforward when you > receive the voting slip, but we will post follow up messages on list and > reminders during the process. Myself and Tapani will also be available to > deal with any queries and anomalies. > > > Ian Peter > > > > > > > > > -- Chris Prince Udochukwu *Njọkụ*, Ph.D. Computer Communications Centre University of Nigeria, Nsukka 410001 @DrCPUNjoku We mustn't remain with old ways of doing things, especially if they're not yielding optimum results. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 28 20:24:16 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Antonio Medina =?UTF-8?Q?G=C3=B3mez?= (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 19:24:16 -0500 Subject: [governance] Voting Process for election of co coordinators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ian thank you very much. The explanation is very clear. Antonio Medina Gómez El mié, 28 de agosto de 2019 7:19 p. m., "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < governance at lists.riseup.net> escribió: > Wonderful progress. Thank you Ian and Tapani. > > On Thu, 29 Aug 2019, 1:13 am ian.peter at ianpeter.com, < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > >> This is some background on the election process for those interested: >> >> At this stage we envisage nominations closing on September 5, and after >> that a short period where candidates can confirm their nominations and >> supply 300 word statements for the benefit of voters. >> >> Election software is currently being prepared and will be tested by a >> small group between now and September 10. >> >> On September 10 (approx) voting will commence, and run for approximately >> 2 weeks. >> >> Each email address on the IGC mailing list for 2 months or more will >> receive an individual email when voting is ready to commence, which >> contains a link to click on to participate in voting. The link is >> registered to that email address – so is not transferable. We will follow >> up on anyone who for any reason does not receive the voting link. >> >> The voting process will firstly ask people to confirm that >> >> - >> >> they identify as civil society >> - >> >> they subscribe to the charter of IGC >> - >> >> they have not previously voted in this election >> - >> >> they have been subscribed to IGC mailing list for more than 2 months >> >> >> To proceed to voting, participants must answer positively to all these >> questions. They are not eligible to vote otherwise. >> >> For those who are eligible, they will now be directed to the voting page. >> >> The page consists of a list of each candidate, and also the option “None >> of the above” . The order of candidates will be decided by drawing names >> from a hat. >> >> A valid vote could be >> >> a. selecting one candidates >> >> b selecting two candidates >> >> 1. >> >> selecting “None of the Above” >> >> All other combinations (more than two candidates ticked, no options >> ticked) will create invalid votes. >> >> Please note: The “none of the above” option is important: because it is >> only by participating in the election that someone can become a current >> member of IGC. So someone can become a member without expressing support >> for any particular candidate if they so wish. >> >> All of this will be clearly explained on the voting page. >> >> After you have completed your vote, you will receive a follow up email >> confirming your participation and membership of IGC. >> >> At the close of elections, the returning officers will announce results >> and overall vote totals: plus any other relevant information about informal >> votes etc. New co coordinators can then take their place for their >> respective terms.. >> >> Also at that time we will have a valid and up to date list of IGC members >> (for the first time in years). That will enable actions like appointing an >> Appeals Team to take place according to processes outlined in the Charter. >> >> That's it in a nutshell: everything should be straightforward when you >> receive the voting slip, but we will post follow up messages on list and >> reminders during the process. Myself and Tapani will also be available to >> deal with any queries and anomalies. >> >> >> Ian Peter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Wed Aug 28 20:43:54 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 00:43:54 +0000 Subject: [governance] Voting Process for election of co coordinators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Chris for the feedback >The following clause sparked a question in my mind: "they have not previously voted in this election". Shouldn't the voting software be able to know that someone had already voted > and disallow a second attempt? Yes it would - but it could be that some people have more than one email address registered on list - so this reminds people to think about whether they have voted before using another email address. Similarly the software should pick up that they have been subscribed to list for more than 2 months - so the inclusion of that question is also more precautionary rather than necessary. It wont hurt for people to understand and affirm the conditions for voting. Ian Peter ------ Original Message ------ From: "Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ" To: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" Cc: "governance" ; "Tapani Tarvainen" Sent: 29/08/2019 10:33:24 AM Subject: Re: [governance] Voting Process for election of co coordinators >This is awesome, an excellent show of commitment to work and attention >to detail. > >The following clause sparked a question in my mind: "they have not >previously voted in this election". fo Shouldn't the voting software >be able to know that someone had already voted and disallow a second >attempt? > >On Thursday, August 29, 2019, ian.peter at ianpeter.com > wrote: >>This is some background on the election process for those interested: >> >>At this stage we envisage nominations closing on September 5, and >>after that a short period where candidates can confirm their >>nominations and supply 300 word statements for the benefit of voters. >> >>Election software is currently being prepared and will be tested by a >>small group between now and September 10. >> >>On September 10 (approx) voting will commence, and run for >>approximately 2 weeks. >> >>Each email address on the IGC mailing list for 2 months or more will >>receive an individual email when voting is ready to commence, which >>contains a link to click on to participate in voting. The link is >>registered to that email address – so is not transferable. We will >>follow up on anyone who for any reason does not receive the voting >>link. >> >>The voting process will firstly ask people to confirm that >> >>they identify as civil society >> >>they subscribe to the charter of IGC >> >>they have not previously voted in this election >> >>they have been subscribed to IGC mailing list for more than 2 months >> >> >> >>To proceed to voting, participants must answer positively to all these >>questions. They are not eligible to vote otherwise. >> >>For those who are eligible, they will now be directed to the voting >>page. >> >>The page consists of a list of each candidate, and also the option >>“None of the above” . The order of candidates will be decided by >>drawing names from a hat. >> >>A valid vote could be >> >>a. selecting one candidates >> >>b selecting two candidates >> >>selecting “None of the Above” >> >>All other combinations (more than two candidates ticked, no options >>ticked) will create invalid votes. >> >>Please note: The “none of the above” option is important: because it >>is only by participating in the election that someone can become a >>current member of IGC. So someone can become a member without >>expressing support for any particular candidate if they so wish. >> >>All of this will be clearly explained on the voting page. >> >>After you have completed your vote, you will receive a follow up email >>confirming your participation and membership of IGC. >> >>At the close of elections, the returning officers will announce >>results and overall vote totals: plus any other relevant information >>about informal votes etc. New co coordinators can then take their >>place for their respective terms.. >> >>Also at that time we will have a valid and up to date list of IGC >>members (for the first time in years). That will enable actions like >>appointing an Appeals Team to take place according to processes >>outlined in the Charter. >> >>That's it in a nutshell: everything should be straightforward when you >>receive the voting slip, but we will post follow up messages on list >>and reminders during the process. Myself and Tapani will also be >>available to deal with any queries and anomalies. >> >> >> >>Ian Peter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >-- > >Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ, Ph.D. >Computer Communications Centre >University of Nigeria, Nsukka 410001 >@DrCPUNjoku > We mustn't remain with old ways of doing things, > >especially if they're not yielding optimum results. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Aug 29 01:09:44 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 05:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Voting Process for election of co coordinators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <283476003.778897.1567055384070@mail.yahoo.com> Dear Ian, With reference to following voting Process, is it possible to elaborate the meaning of "Subscribe to the Charter" in simple words? like this: "...they acknowledge the acceptance of the IGC Charter, and the By-Laws defined in the IGC Charter" or more simply "...they accept the IGC Charter"     instead of "...they subscribe to the charter of IGC" Thanks Imran Ahmed Shah being a IGC Member On Thursday, 29 August 2019, 05:45:08 GMT+5, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: Thanks Chris for the feedback >The following clause sparked a question in my mind: "they have not previously voted in this election".  Shouldn't the voting software be able to know that someone had already voted  > and disallow a second attempt? Yes it would - but it could be that some people have more than one email address registered on list - so this reminds people to think about whether they have voted before using another email address. Similarly the software should pick up that they have been subscribed to list for more than 2 months - so the inclusion of that question is also more precautionary rather than necessary.  It wont hurt for people to understand and affirm the conditions for voting. Ian Peter ------ Original Message ------From: "Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ" To: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" Cc: "governance" ; "Tapani Tarvainen" Sent: 29/08/2019 10:33:24 AMSubject: Re: [governance] Voting Process for election of co coordinators This is awesome, an excellent show of commitment to work and attention to detail. The following clause sparked a question in my mind: "they have not previously voted in this election".  fo Shouldn't the voting software be able to know that someone had already voted and disallow a second attempt? On Thursday, August 29, 2019, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: This is some background on the electionprocess for those interested: At this stage we envisage nominationsclosing on September 5, and after that a short period wherecandidates can confirm their nominations and supply 300 wordstatements for the benefit of voters. Election software is currently beingprepared and will be tested by a small group between now andSeptember 10. On September 10 (approx) voting willcommence, and run for approximately 2 weeks. Each email address on the IGC mailinglist for 2 months or more will receive an individual email whenvoting is ready to commence, which contains a link to click on toparticipate in voting. The link is registered to that email address –so is not transferable. We will follow up on anyone who for anyreason does not receive the voting link. The voting process will firstly askpeople to confirm that - they identify as civil society - they subscribe to the charter of IGC - they have not previously voted in this election - they have been subscribed to IGC mailing list for more than 2 months To proceed to voting, participants mustanswer positively to all these questions. They are not eligible tovote otherwise. For those who are eligible, they willnow be directed to the voting page. The page consists of a list of eachcandidate, and also the option “None of the above” . The orderof candidates will be decided by drawing names from a hat. A valid vote could be a. selecting one candidates b selecting two candidates - selecting “None of the Above” All other combinations (more than twocandidates ticked, no options ticked) will create invalid votes. Please note: The “none of the above”option is important: because it is only by participating in theelection that someone can become a current member of IGC. So someonecan become a member without expressing support for any particularcandidate if they so wish. All of this will be clearly explainedon the voting page. After you have completed your vote, youwill receive a follow up email confirming your participation andmembership of IGC. At the close of elections, thereturning officers will announce results and overall vote totals:plus any other relevant information about informal votes etc. New cocoordinators can then take their place for their respective terms.. Also at that time we will have a validand up to date list of IGC members (for the first time in years).That will enable actions like appointing an Appeals Team to takeplace according to processes outlined in the Charter. That's it in a nutshell: everythingshould be straightforward when you receive the voting slip, but wewill post follow up messages on list and reminders during theprocess. Myself and Tapani will also be available to deal with anyqueries and anomalies. Ian Peter --   Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ, Ph.D.Computer Communications CentreUniversity of Nigeria, Nsukka 410001 at DrCPUNjoku  We mustn't remain with old ways of doing things, especially if they're not yielding optimum results. --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Thu Aug 29 05:36:32 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 09:36:32 +0000 Subject: [governance] Voting Process for election of co coordinators In-Reply-To: <283476003.778897.1567055384070@mail.yahoo.com> References: <283476003.778897.1567055384070@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the suggestion Imran - while I like your wording suggestions the current wording is based on an excerpt from the Charter which it might be best to leave intact - "Members of the Internet Governance Caucus are individuals, acting in personal capacity, who subscribe to the charter of the caucus" - but some additional elaboration might be useful. Will have a look at it. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Imran Ahmed Shah" To: "Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ" ; "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" Cc: "governance" ; "Tapani Tarvainen" Sent: 29/08/2019 3:09:44 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: [governance] Voting Process for election of co coordinators >Dear Ian, > >With reference to following voting Process, is it possible to elaborate >the meaning of "Subscribe to the Charter" in simple words? like this: > >"...they acknowledge the acceptance of the IGC Charter, and the By-Laws >defined in the IGC Charter" >or more simply > >"...they accept the IGC Charter" > > instead of >"...they subscribe to the charter of IGC" > >Thanks > >Imran Ahmed Shah >being a IGC Member > >On Thursday, 29 August 2019, 05:45:08 GMT+5, ian.peter at ianpeter.com > wrote: > > >Thanks Chris for the feedback > > >The following clause sparked a question in my mind: "they have not >previously voted in this election". Shouldn't the voting software be >able to know that someone had already voted > > and disallow a second attempt? > >Yes it would - but it could be that some people have more than one >email address registered on list - so this reminds people to think >about whether they have voted before using another email address. >Similarly the software should pick up that they have been subscribed to >list for more than 2 months - so the inclusion of that question is also >more precautionary rather than necessary. It wont hurt for people to >understand and affirm the conditions for voting. > >Ian Peter > >------ Original Message ------ >From: "Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ" >To: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" >Cc: "governance" ; "Tapani Tarvainen" > >Sent: 29/08/2019 10:33:24 AM >Subject: Re: [governance] Voting Process for election of co >coordinators > >>This is awesome, an excellent show of commitment to work and attention >>to detail. >> >>The following clause sparked a question in my mind: "they have not >>previously voted in this election". fo Shouldn't the voting software >>be able to know that someone had already voted and disallow a second >>attempt? >> >>On Thursday, August 29, 2019, ian.peter at ianpeter.com >> wrote: >>>This is some background on the election process for those interested: >>> >>>At this stage we envisage nominations closing on September 5, and >>>after that a short period where candidates can confirm their >>>nominations and supply 300 word statements for the benefit of voters. >>> >>>Election software is currently being prepared and will be tested by a >>>small group between now and September 10. >>> >>>On September 10 (approx) voting will commence, and run for >>>approximately 2 weeks. >>> >>>Each email address on the IGC mailing list for 2 months or more will >>>receive an individual email when voting is ready to commence, which >>>contains a link to click on to participate in voting. The link is >>>registered to that email address – so is not transferable. We will >>>follow up on anyone who for any reason does not receive the voting >>>link. >>> >>>The voting process will firstly ask people to confirm that >>> >>>they identify as civil society >>> >>>they subscribe to the charter of IGC >>> >>>they have not previously voted in this election >>> >>>they have been subscribed to IGC mailing list for more than 2 months >>> >>> >>> >>>To proceed to voting, participants must answer positively to all >>>these questions. They are not eligible to vote otherwise. >>> >>>For those who are eligible, they will now be directed to the voting >>>page. >>> >>>The page consists of a list of each candidate, and also the option >>>“None of the above” . The order of candidates will be decided by >>>drawing names from a hat. >>> >>>A valid vote could be >>> >>>a. selecting one candidates >>> >>>b selecting two candidates >>> >>>selecting “None of the Above” >>> >>>All other combinations (more than two candidates ticked, no options >>>ticked) will create invalid votes. >>> >>>Please note: The “none of the above” option is important: because it >>>is only by participating in the election that someone can become a >>>current member of IGC. So someone can become a member without >>>expressing support for any particular candidate if they so wish. >>> >>>All of this will be clearly explained on the voting page. >>> >>>After you have completed your vote, you will receive a follow up >>>email confirming your participation and membership of IGC. >>> >>>At the close of elections, the returning officers will announce >>>results and overall vote totals: plus any other relevant information >>>about informal votes etc. New co coordinators can then take their >>>place for their respective terms.. >>> >>>Also at that time we will have a valid and up to date list of IGC >>>members (for the first time in years). That will enable actions like >>>appointing an Appeals Team to take place according to processes >>>outlined in the Charter. >>> >>>That's it in a nutshell: everything should be straightforward when >>>you receive the voting slip, but we will post follow up messages on >>>list and reminders during the process. Myself and Tapani will also be >>>available to deal with any queries and anomalies. >>> >>> >>> >>>Ian Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>-- >> >>Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ, Ph.D. >>Computer Communications Centre >>University of Nigeria, Nsukka 410001 >>@DrCPUNjoku >> We mustn't remain with old ways of doing things, >> >>especially if they're not yielding optimum results. >> >> >--- >To unsubscribe: >List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng Thu Aug 29 07:30:47 2019 From: udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng (=?UTF-8?B?Q2hyaXMgUHJpbmNlIFVkb2NodWt3dSBOauG7jWvhu6U=?=) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 12:30:47 +0100 Subject: [governance] Voting Process for election of co coordinators In-Reply-To: References: <283476003.778897.1567055384070@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you so much, Ian, for answering my question. I'm OK with your answer. Regarding Imran's suggestion, I understand the word "subscribe" in this context as meaning "agree". In that case, it's not vague. What I think may need to be specified in the charter is how someone will be known to have agreed. What do other IGCians think? @DrCPUNjoku We mustn't remain with old ways of doing things, especially if they're not yielding optimum results. On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 10:37 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion Imran - while I like your wording suggestions > the current wording is based on an excerpt from the Charter which it might > be best to leave intact - > > "Members of the Internet Governance Caucus are individuals, acting in > personal capacity, who subscribe to the charter of the caucus" - but some > additional elaboration might be useful. Will have a look at it. > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Imran Ahmed Shah" > To: "Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ" ; " > ian.peter at ianpeter.com" > Cc: "governance" ; "Tapani Tarvainen" < > tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> > Sent: 29/08/2019 3:09:44 PM > Subject: Re: Re[2]: [governance] Voting Process for election of co > coordinators > > Dear Ian, > > With reference to following voting Process, is it possible to elaborate > the meaning of "Subscribe to the Charter" in simple words? like this: > > "...*they acknowledge the acceptance of the IGC Charter, *and the By-Laws > defined in the IGC Charter" > or more simply > > "...*they accept the IGC Charter*" > > * instead of * > "...*they subscribe to the charter of IGC*" > > Thanks > > Imran Ahmed Shah > being a IGC Member > > On Thursday, 29 August 2019, 05:45:08 GMT+5, ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > > > Thanks Chris for the feedback > > >The following clause sparked a question in my mind: "they have not > previously voted in this election". Shouldn't the voting software be > able to know that someone had already voted > > and disallow a second attempt? > > Yes it would - but it could be that some people have more than one email > address registered on list - so this reminds people to think about whether > they have voted before using another email address. Similarly the software > should pick up that they have been subscribed to list for more than 2 > months - so the inclusion of that question is also more precautionary > rather than necessary. It wont hurt for people to understand and affirm > the conditions for voting. > > Ian Peter > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ" > To: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" > Cc: "governance" ; "Tapani Tarvainen" < > tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> > Sent: 29/08/2019 10:33:24 AM > Subject: Re: [governance] Voting Process for election of co coordinators > > This is awesome, an excellent show of commitment to work and attention to > detail. > > The following clause sparked a question in my mind: "they have not > previously voted in this election". fo Shouldn't the voting software be > able to know that someone had already voted and disallow a second attempt? > > On Thursday, August 29, 2019, ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > > This is some background on the election process for those interested: > > At this stage we envisage nominations closing on September 5, and after > that a short period where candidates can confirm their nominations and > supply 300 word statements for the benefit of voters. > > Election software is currently being prepared and will be tested by a > small group between now and September 10. > > On September 10 (approx) voting will commence, and run for approximately 2 > weeks. > > Each email address on the IGC mailing list for 2 months or more will > receive an individual email when voting is ready to commence, which > contains a link to click on to participate in voting. The link is > registered to that email address – so is not transferable. We will follow > up on anyone who for any reason does not receive the voting link. > > The voting process will firstly ask people to confirm that > > - > > they identify as civil society > - > > they subscribe to the charter of IGC > - > > they have not previously voted in this election > - > > they have been subscribed to IGC mailing list for more than 2 months > > > To proceed to voting, participants must answer positively to all these > questions. They are not eligible to vote otherwise. > > For those who are eligible, they will now be directed to the voting page. > > The page consists of a list of each candidate, and also the option “None > of the above” . The order of candidates will be decided by drawing names > from a hat. > > A valid vote could be > > a. selecting one candidates > > b selecting two candidates > > 1. > > selecting “None of the Above” > > All other combinations (more than two candidates ticked, no options > ticked) will create invalid votes. > > Please note: The “none of the above” option is important: because it is > only by participating in the election that someone can become a current > member of IGC. So someone can become a member without expressing support > for any particular candidate if they so wish. > > All of this will be clearly explained on the voting page. > > After you have completed your vote, you will receive a follow up email > confirming your participation and membership of IGC. > > At the close of elections, the returning officers will announce results > and overall vote totals: plus any other relevant information about informal > votes etc. New co coordinators can then take their place for their > respective terms.. > > Also at that time we will have a valid and up to date list of IGC members > (for the first time in years). That will enable actions like appointing an > Appeals Team to take place according to processes outlined in the Charter. > > That's it in a nutshell: everything should be straightforward when you > receive the voting slip, but we will post follow up messages on list and > reminders during the process. Myself and Tapani will also be available to > deal with any queries and anomalies. > > > Ian Peter > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Chris Prince Udochukwu *Njọkụ*, Ph.D. > Computer Communications Centre > University of Nigeria, Nsukka 410001 > @DrCPUNjoku > > We mustn't remain with old ways of doing things, > > especially if they're not yielding optimum results. > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nb at bollow.ch Thu Aug 29 07:43:28 2019 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 13:43:28 +0200 Subject: [governance] Voting Process for election of co coordinators In-Reply-To: References: <283476003.778897.1567055384070@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20190829134328.0ee9397f@quill> Dear Chris and all My understanding of the word "subscribe" in this context is that it expresses a commitment to accept actions which are done in accordance with the Charter, and to act oneself in accordance to the Charter. In this sense I can subscribe to the Charter while at the same time holding the opinion that it would be good to change some aspects of it at the next good opportunity to do so. Greetings, Norbert On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 12:30:47 +0100 Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ wrote: > Thank you so much, Ian, for answering my question. I'm OK with your > answer. > > Regarding Imran's suggestion, I understand the word "subscribe" in > this context as meaning "agree". In that case, it's not vague. What > I think may need to be specified in the charter is how someone will > be known to have agreed. What do other IGCians think? > > > @DrCPUNjoku > > We mustn't remain with old ways of doing things, > > especially if they're not yielding optimum results. > > > On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 10:37 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > > > Thanks for the suggestion Imran - while I like your wording > > suggestions the current wording is based on an excerpt from the > > Charter which it might be best to leave intact - > > > > "Members of the Internet Governance Caucus are individuals, acting > > in personal capacity, who subscribe to the charter of the caucus" - > > but some additional elaboration might be useful. Will have a look > > at it. > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Imran Ahmed Shah" > > To: "Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ" ; " > > ian.peter at ianpeter.com" > > Cc: "governance" ; "Tapani Tarvainen" > > < tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> > > Sent: 29/08/2019 3:09:44 PM > > Subject: Re: Re[2]: [governance] Voting Process for election of co > > coordinators > > > > Dear Ian, > > > > With reference to following voting Process, is it possible to > > elaborate the meaning of "Subscribe to the Charter" in simple > > words? like this: > > > > "...*they acknowledge the acceptance of the IGC Charter, *and the > > By-Laws defined in the IGC Charter" > > or more simply > > > > "...*they accept the IGC Charter*" > > > > * instead of * > > "...*they subscribe to the charter of IGC*" > > > > Thanks > > > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > being a IGC Member > > > > On Thursday, 29 August 2019, 05:45:08 GMT+5, ian.peter at ianpeter.com > > < ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Chris for the feedback > > > > >The following clause sparked a question in my mind: "they have > > >not > > previously voted in this election". Shouldn't the voting software > > be able to know that someone had already voted > > > and disallow a second attempt? > > > > Yes it would - but it could be that some people have more than one > > email address registered on list - so this reminds people to think > > about whether they have voted before using another email address. > > Similarly the software should pick up that they have been > > subscribed to list for more than 2 months - so the inclusion of > > that question is also more precautionary rather than necessary. It > > wont hurt for people to understand and affirm the conditions for > > voting. > > > > Ian Peter > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ" > > To: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" > > Cc: "governance" ; "Tapani Tarvainen" > > < tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> > > Sent: 29/08/2019 10:33:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [governance] Voting Process for election of co > > coordinators > > > > This is awesome, an excellent show of commitment to work and > > attention to detail. > > > > The following clause sparked a question in my mind: "they have not > > previously voted in this election". fo Shouldn't the voting > > software be able to know that someone had already voted and > > disallow a second attempt? > > > > On Thursday, August 29, 2019, ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > > > > This is some background on the election process for those > > interested: > > > > At this stage we envisage nominations closing on September 5, and > > after that a short period where candidates can confirm their > > nominations and supply 300 word statements for the benefit of > > voters. > > > > Election software is currently being prepared and will be tested by > > a small group between now and September 10. > > > > On September 10 (approx) voting will commence, and run for > > approximately 2 weeks. > > > > Each email address on the IGC mailing list for 2 months or more will > > receive an individual email when voting is ready to commence, which > > contains a link to click on to participate in voting. The link is > > registered to that email address – so is not transferable. We will > > follow up on anyone who for any reason does not receive the voting > > link. > > > > The voting process will firstly ask people to confirm that > > > > - > > > > they identify as civil society > > - > > > > they subscribe to the charter of IGC > > - > > > > they have not previously voted in this election > > - > > > > they have been subscribed to IGC mailing list for more than 2 > > months > > > > > > To proceed to voting, participants must answer positively to all > > these questions. They are not eligible to vote otherwise. > > > > For those who are eligible, they will now be directed to the voting > > page. > > > > The page consists of a list of each candidate, and also the option > > “None of the above” . The order of candidates will be decided by > > drawing names from a hat. > > > > A valid vote could be > > > > a. selecting one candidates > > > > b selecting two candidates > > > > 1. > > > > selecting “None of the Above” > > > > All other combinations (more than two candidates ticked, no options > > ticked) will create invalid votes. > > > > Please note: The “none of the above” option is important: because > > it is only by participating in the election that someone can become > > a current member of IGC. So someone can become a member without > > expressing support for any particular candidate if they so wish. > > > > All of this will be clearly explained on the voting page. > > > > After you have completed your vote, you will receive a follow up > > email confirming your participation and membership of IGC. > > > > At the close of elections, the returning officers will announce > > results and overall vote totals: plus any other relevant > > information about informal votes etc. New co coordinators can then > > take their place for their respective terms.. > > > > Also at that time we will have a valid and up to date list of IGC > > members (for the first time in years). That will enable actions > > like appointing an Appeals Team to take place according to > > processes outlined in the Charter. > > > > That's it in a nutshell: everything should be straightforward when > > you receive the voting slip, but we will post follow up messages on > > list and reminders during the process. Myself and Tapani will also > > be available to deal with any queries and anomalies. > > > > > > Ian Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Chris Prince Udochukwu *Njọkụ*, Ph.D. > > Computer Communications Centre > > University of Nigeria, Nsukka 410001 > > @DrCPUNjoku > > > > We mustn't remain with old ways of doing things, > > > > especially if they're not yielding optimum results. > > > > --- > > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > > > --- > > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > From udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng Thu Aug 29 10:20:00 2019 From: udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng (=?UTF-8?B?Q2hyaXMgUHJpbmNlIFVkb2NodWt3dSBOauG7jWvhu6U=?=) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 15:20:00 +0100 Subject: [governance] Voting Process for election of co coordinators In-Reply-To: <20190829134328.0ee9397f@quill> References: <283476003.778897.1567055384070@mail.yahoo.com> <20190829134328.0ee9397f@quill> Message-ID: That's interesting, Norbert. You seem to mean I'll be known to have subscribed to the charter in the course of time, through how I participate in IGC. Is that right? @DrCPUNjoku We mustn't remain with old ways of doing things, especially if they're not yielding optimum results. On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 12:43 PM Norbert Bollow wrote: > Dear Chris and all > > My understanding of the word "subscribe" in this context is that it > expresses a commitment to accept actions which are done in accordance > with the Charter, and to act oneself in accordance to the Charter. > > In this sense I can subscribe to the Charter while at the same time > holding the opinion that it would be good to change some aspects of > it at the next good opportunity to do so. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 12:30:47 +0100 > Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ wrote: > > > Thank you so much, Ian, for answering my question. I'm OK with your > > answer. > > > > Regarding Imran's suggestion, I understand the word "subscribe" in > > this context as meaning "agree". In that case, it's not vague. What > > I think may need to be specified in the charter is how someone will > > be known to have agreed. What do other IGCians think? > > > > > > @DrCPUNjoku > > > > We mustn't remain with old ways of doing things, > > > > especially if they're not yielding optimum results. > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 10:37 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the suggestion Imran - while I like your wording > > > suggestions the current wording is based on an excerpt from the > > > Charter which it might be best to leave intact - > > > > > > "Members of the Internet Governance Caucus are individuals, acting > > > in personal capacity, who subscribe to the charter of the caucus" - > > > but some additional elaboration might be useful. Will have a look > > > at it. > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > > From: "Imran Ahmed Shah" > > > To: "Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ" ; " > > > ian.peter at ianpeter.com" > > > Cc: "governance" ; "Tapani Tarvainen" > > > < tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> > > > Sent: 29/08/2019 3:09:44 PM > > > Subject: Re: Re[2]: [governance] Voting Process for election of co > > > coordinators > > > > > > Dear Ian, > > > > > > With reference to following voting Process, is it possible to > > > elaborate the meaning of "Subscribe to the Charter" in simple > > > words? like this: > > > > > > "...*they acknowledge the acceptance of the IGC Charter, *and the > > > By-Laws defined in the IGC Charter" > > > or more simply > > > > > > "...*they accept the IGC Charter*" > > > > > > * instead of * > > > "...*they subscribe to the charter of IGC*" > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > > being a IGC Member > > > > > > On Thursday, 29 August 2019, 05:45:08 GMT+5, ian.peter at ianpeter.com > > > < ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks Chris for the feedback > > > > > > >The following clause sparked a question in my mind: "they have > > > >not > > > previously voted in this election". Shouldn't the voting software > > > be able to know that someone had already voted > > > > and disallow a second attempt? > > > > > > Yes it would - but it could be that some people have more than one > > > email address registered on list - so this reminds people to think > > > about whether they have voted before using another email address. > > > Similarly the software should pick up that they have been > > > subscribed to list for more than 2 months - so the inclusion of > > > that question is also more precautionary rather than necessary. It > > > wont hurt for people to understand and affirm the conditions for > > > voting. > > > > > > Ian Peter > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > > From: "Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ" > > > To: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" > > > Cc: "governance" ; "Tapani Tarvainen" > > > < tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> > > > Sent: 29/08/2019 10:33:24 AM > > > Subject: Re: [governance] Voting Process for election of co > > > coordinators > > > > > > This is awesome, an excellent show of commitment to work and > > > attention to detail. > > > > > > The following clause sparked a question in my mind: "they have not > > > previously voted in this election". fo Shouldn't the voting > > > software be able to know that someone had already voted and > > > disallow a second attempt? > > > > > > On Thursday, August 29, 2019, ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > > > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > > > > > > This is some background on the election process for those > > > interested: > > > > > > At this stage we envisage nominations closing on September 5, and > > > after that a short period where candidates can confirm their > > > nominations and supply 300 word statements for the benefit of > > > voters. > > > > > > Election software is currently being prepared and will be tested by > > > a small group between now and September 10. > > > > > > On September 10 (approx) voting will commence, and run for > > > approximately 2 weeks. > > > > > > Each email address on the IGC mailing list for 2 months or more will > > > receive an individual email when voting is ready to commence, which > > > contains a link to click on to participate in voting. The link is > > > registered to that email address – so is not transferable. We will > > > follow up on anyone who for any reason does not receive the voting > > > link. > > > > > > The voting process will firstly ask people to confirm that > > > > > > - > > > > > > they identify as civil society > > > - > > > > > > they subscribe to the charter of IGC > > > - > > > > > > they have not previously voted in this election > > > - > > > > > > they have been subscribed to IGC mailing list for more than 2 > > > months > > > > > > > > > To proceed to voting, participants must answer positively to all > > > these questions. They are not eligible to vote otherwise. > > > > > > For those who are eligible, they will now be directed to the voting > > > page. > > > > > > The page consists of a list of each candidate, and also the option > > > “None of the above” . The order of candidates will be decided by > > > drawing names from a hat. > > > > > > A valid vote could be > > > > > > a. selecting one candidates > > > > > > b selecting two candidates > > > > > > 1. > > > > > > selecting “None of the Above” > > > > > > All other combinations (more than two candidates ticked, no options > > > ticked) will create invalid votes. > > > > > > Please note: The “none of the above” option is important: because > > > it is only by participating in the election that someone can become > > > a current member of IGC. So someone can become a member without > > > expressing support for any particular candidate if they so wish. > > > > > > All of this will be clearly explained on the voting page. > > > > > > After you have completed your vote, you will receive a follow up > > > email confirming your participation and membership of IGC. > > > > > > At the close of elections, the returning officers will announce > > > results and overall vote totals: plus any other relevant > > > information about informal votes etc. New co coordinators can then > > > take their place for their respective terms.. > > > > > > Also at that time we will have a valid and up to date list of IGC > > > members (for the first time in years). That will enable actions > > > like appointing an Appeals Team to take place according to > > > processes outlined in the Charter. > > > > > > That's it in a nutshell: everything should be straightforward when > > > you receive the voting slip, but we will post follow up messages on > > > list and reminders during the process. Myself and Tapani will also > > > be available to deal with any queries and anomalies. > > > > > > > > > Ian Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Chris Prince Udochukwu *Njọkụ*, Ph.D. > > > Computer Communications Centre > > > University of Nigeria, Nsukka 410001 > > > @DrCPUNjoku > > > > > > We mustn't remain with old ways of doing things, > > > > > > especially if they're not yielding optimum results. > > > > > > --- > > > To unsubscribe: > > > List help: > > > > > > --- > > > To unsubscribe: > > > List help: > > > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The event will gather an ample range of stakeholders to discuss with members of the CyberBRICS project the most recent policy and technology advancements, regarding the expansion of digital infrastructures, the introduction of 5G technology and the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead for BRICS countries. The agenda of the event is below and available at this link https://cyberbrics.info/event-5g-and-new-digital-infrastructures-in-the-brics/ Lastly, please note that video recordings of previous CyberBRICS events, including our June seminar on Cybersecurity, Data Protection and the Digital Future of the BRICS, are available here https://cyberbrics.info/category/events/ With my best regards, Luca OPENING: CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR DIGITAL INFRASTRUCTURES [14:00-14:45] · Antonio Porto, Vice-dean of FGV Law School · Xu Yuansheng, Chinese Consul for Commerce and Economy . Andrei Petrov, Temporary Head of the Russian Diplomatic Mission in Brazil · Sergio Suchodolski - President of Banco de Desenvolvimento de Minas Gerais and CyberBRICS board member · Luca Belli, Professor at FGV Law School and coordinator of CyberBRICS Moderator: Goret Paulo - Directress, FGV Research Network 5G AND NEW DIGITAL INFRASTRUCTURES: WHAT IS THE BRAZILIAN STRATEGY? [14:45-16:15] Keynote remarks: · Tais Niffinegger, Directress of International Relations at ANATEL · João Moura, Executive President of TelComp · Carlos Lauria, Director, Government Relations and Regulatory Affairs, Huawei Technologies · Luigi Gambardella, President of EUBrasil · Flávia Lefèvre, Board Member of the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee (CGI.br) Moderator: Luca Belli, Professor at FGV Law School and coordinator of CyberBRICS STRATEGIES AND PRIORITIES FOR DIGITAL INFRASTRUCTURES IN THE BRICS [16:15-17:30] Keynote remarks: · Renato G. 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Tamanikaiwaimaro" < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > Dear fellow Caucus, > > I would like to propose that we draft a statement concerning Huan Qi, an > online activist's sentencing. > > Proposed Draft > > The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the > sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has > been honored multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in > exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his > website, 64 Tianwang. > > Huang Qi's persecution and imprisonment reflects China’s continued > repression of free speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its > international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of > law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him > access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. > We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement > of his family and those who assisted him. > > > Kind Regards, > > Sala > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nb at bollow.ch Fri Aug 30 06:47:39 2019 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 12:47:39 +0200 Subject: [governance] Voting Process for election of co coordinators In-Reply-To: References: <283476003.778897.1567055384070@mail.yahoo.com> <20190829134328.0ee9397f@quill> Message-ID: <20190830124739.498e3599@quill> On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 15:20:00 +0100 Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ wrote: > That's interesting, Norbert. You seem to mean I'll be known to have > subscribed to the charter in the course of time, through how I > participate in IGC. Is that right? Actually, no, that's not what I mean. Let me give an example. The Charter says about postings to the IGC list: """ The messages must observe a minimum of decorum, including: * refrain from personal attacks, […] […] Failure to abide by posting rules may result in suspension or removal from the IGC list according to the following process: * The coordinators will first warn a subscriber privately of the problem * If the problem persists the coordinators will notify the subscriber publicly on the list of impending suspension from the list. * Suspension will include only posting rights. * If the problem persists the subscriber’s posting rights will be suspended for one (1) month. * Once the subscriber’s posting rights are restored, any further problem will result in another public warning. * If the problem continues to persist after suspension and a second public warning, the coordinators will be permitted to either suspend the posting rights for three (3) months or to remove the subscriber from the list. * Any decision for suspension can be appealed. Any decision to remove someone from the list will call for an automatic appeal by the appeals team. """ In relation to this aspect of the IGC Charter, applying what I wrote about my understanding of the phrase "subscribe to the IGC Charter" implies: 1. Anyone who truly subscribes to the IGC Charter will endeavor to refrain from posting messages to the IGC list that contain personal attacks. 2. Assuming that they truly subscribe to the IGC Charter, IGC co-coordinators will endeavor to ensure that the conversations on the list remain constructive, and generally in alignment with the posting rules, by means of applying the process that has been foreseen for dealing with violations. 3. Assuming that they truly subscribe to the IGC Charter, all other participants on the IGC list will be accepting, and supportive of, such actions by the co-coordinators. Now because it's a long time since any of the IGC co-coordinators have actually made any publicly-visible attempt of applying the process that has been foreseen for dealing with posting rules violations, I have no way of predicting how anyone on the list will react the next time that happens. Therefore, no, I can't tell whether people truly subscribe to the Charter just on the basis of what I may have observed about their conduct on the list over the last months and years. I certainly support the practice of asking for an explicit commitment to the Charter in the context of IGC co-coordinator elections. Greetings, Norbert > On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 12:43 PM Norbert Bollow wrote: > > > Dear Chris and all > > > > My understanding of the word "subscribe" in this context is that it > > expresses a commitment to accept actions which are done in > > accordance with the Charter, and to act oneself in accordance to > > the Charter. > > > > In this sense I can subscribe to the Charter while at the same time > > holding the opinion that it would be good to change some aspects of > > it at the next good opportunity to do so. > > > > Greetings, > > Norbert > > > > > > On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 12:30:47 +0100 > > Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ wrote: > > > > > Thank you so much, Ian, for answering my question. I'm OK with > > > your answer. > > > > > > Regarding Imran's suggestion, I understand the word "subscribe" in > > > this context as meaning "agree". In that case, it's not vague. > > > What I think may need to be specified in the charter is how > > > someone will be known to have agreed. What do other IGCians > > > think? From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Aug 30 07:08:29 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 11:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Voting Process for election of co coordinators In-Reply-To: <20190830124739.498e3599@quill> References: <283476003.778897.1567055384070@mail.yahoo.com> <20190829134328.0ee9397f@quill> <20190830124739.498e3599@quill> Message-ID: <2033100138.236846.1567163309856@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Norbert for explaining the phrase "Subscribe to the IGC Charter". On Friday, 30 August 2019, 15:48:10 GMT+5, Norbert Bollow wrote: On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 15:20:00 +0100 Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ wrote: > That's interesting, Norbert.  You seem to mean I'll be known to have > subscribed to the charter in the course of time, through how I > participate in IGC.  Is that right? Actually, no, that's not what I mean. Let me give an example. The Charter says about postings to the IGC list: """ The messages must observe a minimum of decorum, including:   * refrain from personal attacks, […] […] Failure to abide by posting rules may result in suspension or removal from the IGC list according to the following process: * The coordinators will first warn a subscriber privately of the   problem * If the problem persists the coordinators will notify the   subscriber publicly on the list of impending suspension from the   list. * Suspension will include only posting rights. * If the problem persists the subscriber’s posting rights will be   suspended for one (1) month. * Once the subscriber’s posting rights are restored, any further   problem will result in another public warning. * If the problem continues to persist after suspension and a second   public warning, the coordinators will be permitted to either suspend   the posting rights for three (3) months or to remove the subscriber   from the list. * Any decision for suspension can be appealed. Any decision to remove   someone from the list will call for an automatic appeal by the   appeals team. """ In relation to this aspect of the IGC Charter, applying what I wrote about my understanding of the phrase "subscribe to the IGC Charter" implies: 1. Anyone who truly subscribes to the IGC Charter will endeavor to refrain from posting messages to the IGC list that contain personal attacks. 2. Assuming that they truly subscribe to the IGC Charter, IGC co-coordinators will endeavor to ensure that the conversations on the list remain constructive, and generally in alignment with the posting rules, by means of applying the process that has been foreseen for dealing with violations. 3. Assuming that they truly subscribe to the IGC Charter, all other participants on the IGC list will be accepting, and supportive of, such actions by the co-coordinators. Now because it's a long time since any of the IGC co-coordinators have actually made any publicly-visible attempt of applying the process that has been foreseen for dealing with posting rules violations, I have no way of predicting how anyone on the list will react the next time that happens. Therefore, no, I can't tell whether people truly subscribe to the Charter just on the basis of what I may have observed about their conduct on the list over the last months and years. I certainly support the practice of asking for an explicit commitment to the Charter in the context of IGC co-coordinator elections. Greetings, Norbert > On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 12:43 PM Norbert Bollow wrote: > > > Dear Chris and all > > > > My understanding of the word "subscribe" in this context is that it > > expresses a commitment to accept actions which are done in > > accordance with the Charter, and to act oneself in accordance to > > the Charter. > > > > In this sense I can subscribe to the Charter while at the same time > > holding the opinion that it would be good to change some aspects of > > it at the next good opportunity to do so. > > > > Greetings, > > Norbert > > > > > > On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 12:30:47 +0100 > > Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ wrote: > >  > > > Thank you so much, Ian, for answering my question. I'm OK with > > > your answer. > > > > > > Regarding Imran's suggestion, I understand the word "subscribe" in > > > this context as meaning "agree".  In that case, it's not vague. > > > What I think may need to be specified in the charter is how > > > someone will be known to have agreed.  What do other IGCians > > > think?--- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Aug 30 12:48:51 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Remmy Nweke (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 17:48:51 +0100 Subject: [governance] Voting Process for election of co coordinators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Ian and TT for accepting to coordinate the election process. Do we have a ng specific reason election has to last two weeks? I think one week is enough for those who want to participate to do so and fast track the process. Regards Remmy Nweke On Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 1:13 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: > This is some background on the election process for those interested: > > At this stage we envisage nominations closing on September 5, and after > that a short period where candidates can confirm their nominations and > supply 300 word statements for the benefit of voters. > > Election software is currently being prepared and will be tested by a > small group between now and September 10. > > On September 10 (approx) voting will commence, and run for approximately 2 > weeks. > > Each email address on the IGC mailing list for 2 months or more will > receive an individual email when voting is ready to commence, which > contains a link to click on to participate in voting. The link is > registered to that email address – so is not transferable. We will follow > up on anyone who for any reason does not receive the voting link. > > The voting process will firstly ask people to confirm that > > - > > they identify as civil society > - > > they subscribe to the charter of IGC > - > > they have not previously voted in this election > - > > they have been subscribed to IGC mailing list for more than 2 months > > > To proceed to voting, participants must answer positively to all these > questions. They are not eligible to vote otherwise. > > For those who are eligible, they will now be directed to the voting page. > > The page consists of a list of each candidate, and also the option “None > of the above” . The order of candidates will be decided by drawing names > from a hat. > > A valid vote could be > > a. selecting one candidates > > b selecting two candidates > > 1. > > selecting “None of the Above” > > All other combinations (more than two candidates ticked, no options > ticked) will create invalid votes. > > Please note: The “none of the above” option is important: because it is > only by participating in the election that someone can become a current > member of IGC. So someone can become a member without expressing support > for any particular candidate if they so wish. > > All of this will be clearly explained on the voting page. > > After you have completed your vote, you will receive a follow up email > confirming your participation and membership of IGC. > > At the close of elections, the returning officers will announce results > and overall vote totals: plus any other relevant information about informal > votes etc. New co coordinators can then take their place for their > respective terms.. > > Also at that time we will have a valid and up to date list of IGC members > (for the first time in years). That will enable actions like appointing an > Appeals Team to take place according to processes outlined in the Charter. > > That's it in a nutshell: everything should be straightforward when you > receive the voting slip, but we will post follow up messages on list and > reminders during the process. Myself and Tapani will also be available to > deal with any queries and anomalies. > > > Ian Peter > > > > > > > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng Fri Aug 30 14:24:04 2019 From: udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng (=?UTF-8?B?Q2hyaXMgUHJpbmNlIFVkb2NodWt3dSBOauG7jWvhu6U=?=) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 19:24:04 +0100 Subject: [governance] Voting Process for election of co coordinators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I understand you now, Norbert. Ian and Tapani, as you might have noticed with me, have made commendable provision in the direction of your last paragraph. IMO, that adequately answers the question of how it can be known that someone subscribes to the charter. @DrCPUNjoku We mustn't remain with old ways of doing things, especially if they're not yielding optimum results. On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 5:49 PM Remmy Nweke wrote: > Thanks Ian and TT for accepting to coordinate the election process. > > Do we have a ng specific reason election has to last two weeks? > > I think one week is enough for those who want to participate to do so and > fast track the process. > > Regards > Remmy Nweke > > On Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 1:13 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > >> This is some background on the election process for those interested: >> >> At this stage we envisage nominations closing on September 5, and after >> that a short period where candidates can confirm their nominations and >> supply 300 word statements for the benefit of voters. >> >> Election software is currently being prepared and will be tested by a >> small group between now and September 10. >> >> On September 10 (approx) voting will commence, and run for approximately >> 2 weeks. >> >> Each email address on the IGC mailing list for 2 months or more will >> receive an individual email when voting is ready to commence, which >> contains a link to click on to participate in voting. The link is >> registered to that email address – so is not transferable. We will follow >> up on anyone who for any reason does not receive the voting link. >> >> The voting process will firstly ask people to confirm that >> >> - >> >> they identify as civil society >> - >> >> they subscribe to the charter of IGC >> - >> >> they have not previously voted in this election >> - >> >> they have been subscribed to IGC mailing list for more than 2 months >> >> >> To proceed to voting, participants must answer positively to all these >> questions. They are not eligible to vote otherwise. >> >> For those who are eligible, they will now be directed to the voting page. >> >> The page consists of a list of each candidate, and also the option “None >> of the above” . The order of candidates will be decided by drawing names >> from a hat. >> >> A valid vote could be >> >> a. selecting one candidates >> >> b selecting two candidates >> >> 1. >> >> selecting “None of the Above” >> >> All other combinations (more than two candidates ticked, no options >> ticked) will create invalid votes. >> >> Please note: The “none of the above” option is important: because it is >> only by participating in the election that someone can become a current >> member of IGC. So someone can become a member without expressing support >> for any particular candidate if they so wish. >> >> All of this will be clearly explained on the voting page. >> >> After you have completed your vote, you will receive a follow up email >> confirming your participation and membership of IGC. >> >> At the close of elections, the returning officers will announce results >> and overall vote totals: plus any other relevant information about informal >> votes etc. New co coordinators can then take their place for their >> respective terms.. >> >> Also at that time we will have a valid and up to date list of IGC members >> (for the first time in years). That will enable actions like appointing an >> Appeals Team to take place according to processes outlined in the Charter. >> >> That's it in a nutshell: everything should be straightforward when you >> receive the voting slip, but we will post follow up messages on list and >> reminders during the process. Myself and Tapani will also be available to >> deal with any queries and anomalies. >> >> >> Ian Peter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Fri Aug 30 16:35:15 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 20:35:15 +0000 Subject: [governance] Voting Process for election of co coordinators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Remmy, in retrospect maybe a week would be long enough - but some people travel a lot and a longer period might be more convenient. But in any case - having announced a set of dates and a period for voting I think we should stick to them. Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Remmy Nweke" To: "Ian Peter" Cc: "governance" ; "Tapani Tarvainen" Sent: 31/08/2019 2:48:51 AM Subject: Re: [governance] Voting Process for election of co coordinators >Thanks Ian and TT for accepting to coordinate the election process. > >Do we have a ng specific reason election has to last two weeks? > > I think one week is enough for those who want to participate to do so >and fast track the process. > >Regards >Remmy Nweke > >On Thu, Aug 29, 2019, 1:13 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com > wrote: >>This is some background on the election process for those interested: >> >>At this stage we envisage nominations closing on September 5, and >>after that a short period where candidates can confirm their >>nominations and supply 300 word statements for the benefit of voters. >> >>Election software is currently being prepared and will be tested by a >>small group between now and September 10. >> >>On September 10 (approx) voting will commence, and run for >>approximately 2 weeks. >> >>Each email address on the IGC mailing list for 2 months or more will >>receive an individual email when voting is ready to commence, which >>contains a link to click on to participate in voting. The link is >>registered to that email address – so is not transferable. We will >>follow up on anyone who for any reason does not receive the voting >>link. >> >>The voting process will firstly ask people to confirm that >> >>they identify as civil society >> >>they subscribe to the charter of IGC >> >>they have not previously voted in this election >> >>they have been subscribed to IGC mailing list for more than 2 months >> >> >> >>To proceed to voting, participants must answer positively to all these >>questions. They are not eligible to vote otherwise. >> >>For those who are eligible, they will now be directed to the voting >>page. >> >>The page consists of a list of each candidate, and also the option >>“None of the above” . The order of candidates will be decided by >>drawing names from a hat. >> >>A valid vote could be >> >>a. selecting one candidates >> >>b selecting two candidates >> >>selecting “None of the Above” >> >>All other combinations (more than two candidates ticked, no options >>ticked) will create invalid votes. >> >>Please note: The “none of the above” option is important: because it >>is only by participating in the election that someone can become a >>current member of IGC. So someone can become a member without >>expressing support for any particular candidate if they so wish. >> >>All of this will be clearly explained on the voting page. >> >>After you have completed your vote, you will receive a follow up email >>confirming your participation and membership of IGC. >> >>At the close of elections, the returning officers will announce >>results and overall vote totals: plus any other relevant information >>about informal votes etc. New co coordinators can then take their >>place for their respective terms.. >> >>Also at that time we will have a valid and up to date list of IGC >>members (for the first time in years). That will enable actions like >>appointing an Appeals Team to take place according to processes >>outlined in the Charter. >> >>That's it in a nutshell: everything should be straightforward when you >>receive the voting slip, but we will post follow up messages on list >>and reminders during the process. Myself and Tapani will also be >>available to deal with any queries and anomalies. >> >> >> >>Ian Peter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>--- >>To unsubscribe: >>List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sat Aug 3 09:01:35 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 13:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement In-Reply-To: References: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <331223338.1280922.1564054827237@mail.yahoo.com> <1964036975.905928.1564059288691@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1344941482.566636.1564837295645@mail.yahoo.com> Dear Bruna, >It would be important to have a more consistent place with the history of IGC and CS coordination and so on.. I can start collecting material on this, if everyone agrees.  With reference to above important mission, to make IGC more consistent place with history of IGC & CS coordination, would you please share your comments and the material do you have or need to be contributed from the caucus? Thanks and Regards Imran Amed Shah On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 18:38:35 GMT+5, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote: Thank you so so much to all involved on this! Its absolutely thrilling to see the IGC website back to work! Adding to Arsène's point about membership approval, I would also have a concern on the website and IGC being GDPR compliant when listing the members names - we should give people the option of being listed, or not!  Also, maybe we can add a - newcomers/onboarding - page, thinking of the BestBits or any other new member who end up joining our list. It would be important to have a more consistent place with the history of IGC and CS coordination and so on.. I can start collecting material on this, if everyone agrees.  Best Regards, Bruna Santos  Le jeu. 25 juil. 2019 à 09:54, Imran Ahmed Shah a écrit : Thanks Arsène, for your comments and concerns. >Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before they can be added to the mailing list? Membership subscription is just added on the membership page, as alternative to the previously referred page of registration. Assuming that the subscription request will go through approval. If it is not activated, may be arranged through the List administrator. Thanking you for pointing out, I have removed it for a while until the User Registration Page is developed and uploaded. Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Thursday, 25 July 2019, 17:25:20 GMT+5, Arsène Tungali wrote: Good job, team! Thank you very much for bringing our website back online. Is there a process of approving (vetting or so) new members before they can be added to the mailing list? I do remember in the past Co co were the ones approving new member's requests, I am hoping we can keep it that way. It is said on this link (https://igcaucus.org/membership/) that anyone who sends an email to governance-subscribe at lists.riseup.net will be subscribed. Did you set it up so that this request goes to the Co-cos first? And then have them approve the request before the member is added to the mailing list? Just thinking out loud so will appreciate any leads on this to confirm my thinking. 2019-07-25 13:40 UTC+02:00, Imran Ahmed Shah : > Dear IGC Members, > > As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of revival > of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made up of > technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past coordinators) who > have been working on restoration of the website during last few days. Jeremy > Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed) Developed > the Website. Contents are obtained from https://web.archive.org. This is a > soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. Broken links > are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website has to be > maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani Tarvainen is > arranging offsite-backups. > This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter Taiwo, Avri > Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm, > Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads for the > restoration are Farzaneh and Imran. > > We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the archives, > mailing list and others over the time. The website https://IGCaucus.org has > been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this Working > Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. We also > need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between new members > and old ones. This is archived information. > > As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet published. > This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of members, > differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have been > members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with the > matters related to elections which we think should be done in coordination > with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would like to > help with organizing the elections. > > The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your comments and > suggestions. > > > on behalf of > [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website] > > Imran Ahmed Shah > [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet Society] > > -- ------------------------ **Arsène Tungali* * Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international *, CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) GPG: 523644A0 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow < http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member Member. UN IGF MAG Member -- Bruna Martins dos Santos  Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think earlier on Chaitanya was alluding to the need for a more diplomatic post, when he suggested (along with a third suggestion which everyone rejected) - Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to the foreground these issues (corruption & human rights issues). - It is our (my) view that he should be honoured as a strong contributor to society. I can see the logic in including such phrases and in phrasing a letter so that it is not so much an attack on a country who we are asking to take a specific action to free someone who we believe has been wrongfully imprisoned. Ian ----- Original Message ------ From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "Marie Georges" Cc: "Norbert Bollow" ; "governance" Sent: 3/08/2019 2:45:52 AM Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing >Dear All, > >Please suggest revisions. When there is consensus and we finalise, we >can release the statement to China's ambassador to Geneva who is on the >MAG. > >Proposed Draft >The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the >sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang >has been honored multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his >courage in exposing corruption and human rights violations in China >through his website, 64 Tianwang. > >Huang Qi's persecution and imprisonment reflects China’s continued >repression of free speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold >its international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the >rule of law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to >allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon >as possible. We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the >freedom of movement of his family and those who assisted him. > >We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights >Council this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls >on China to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights >and Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet >Rights and Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is >available on the OHCHR website. > > >On Fri, 2 Aug 2019, 5:48 pm Marie Georges, >wrote: >>Complete agreement with you Norbert. >>Marie >> >>Envoyé de mon iPhone >> >> > Le 2 août 2019 à 10:24, Norbert Bollow a écrit : >> > >> > On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 03:38:08 +0530 >> > "Chaitanya Dhareshwar" (via governance Mailing List) >> > wrote: >> > >> >> - A reasonable middle ground between sentencing (law) and honouring >> >> commitment to free speech would be to give a Community Service >> >> sentence >> > >> > I would strongly object to anything that calls anything a >>"reasonable >> > middle ground" which is not fully in alignment with all human rights >> > including the right to free speech. >> > >> > Greetings, >> > Norbert >> > --- >> > To unsubscribe: >> > List help: >> >>--- >>To unsubscribe: >>List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu Sat Aug 3 13:46:14 2019 From: david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu (david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 13:46:14 -0400 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> Message-ID: <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> Do we actually believe our actions will secure his release? Or rather, have the opportunity tp be clear that despotic behavior is unacceptable in the world community? And so, want to be clear on the fact. Which is the realistic option? David > On Aug 3, 2019, at 1:29 PM, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: > > I am not happy with the tone of this. > > If you actually want something to happen and for China to listen, I would suggest removing phrases such as "Huang Qi's persecution and imprisonment reflects China’s continued repression of free speech." That will achieve nothing towards securing a release. > > I think earlier on Chaitanya was alluding to the need for a more diplomatic post, when he suggested (along with a third suggestion which everyone rejected) > > - Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to the foreground these issues (corruption & human rights issues). > - It is our (my) view that he should be honoured as a strong contributor to society. > > I can see the logic in including such phrases and in phrasing a letter so that it is not so much an attack on a country who we are asking to take a specific action to free someone who we believe has been wrongfully imprisoned. > > > > Ian > > > ----- Original Message ------ > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > To: "Marie Georges" > > Cc: "Norbert Bollow" >; "governance" > > Sent: 3/08/2019 2:45:52 AM > Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing > >> Dear All, >> >> Please suggest revisions. When there is consensus and we finalise, we can release the statement to China's ambassador to Geneva who is on the MAG. >> >> Proposed Draft >> The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been honored multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his website, 64 Tianwang. >> >> Huang Qi's persecution and imprisonment reflects China’s continued repression of free speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those who assisted him. >> >> We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights Council this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the OHCHR website. >> >> >> On Fri, 2 Aug 2019, 5:48 pm Marie Georges, > wrote: >> Complete agreement with you Norbert. >> Marie >> >> Envoyé de mon iPhone >> >> > Le 2 août 2019 à 10:24, Norbert Bollow > a écrit : >> > >> > On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 03:38:08 +0530 >> > "Chaitanya Dhareshwar" (via governance Mailing List) >> > > wrote: >> > >> >> - A reasonable middle ground between sentencing (law) and honouring >> >> commitment to free speech would be to give a Community Service >> >> sentence >> > >> > I would strongly object to anything that calls anything a "reasonable >> > middle ground" which is not fully in alignment with all human rights >> > including the right to free speech. >> > >> > Greetings, >> > Norbert >> > --- >> > To unsubscribe: > >> > List help: > >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: > >> List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sat Aug 3 14:35:27 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Remmy Nweke (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 19:35:27 +0100 Subject: [governance] Go Live - IGC New Website Launch Announcement In-Reply-To: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237@mail.yahoo.com> References: <331223338.1280922.1564054827237.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <331223338.1280922.1564054827237@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Great team work On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 12:40 PM Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: > Dear IGC Members, > > As you know, we were discussing about the immediate requirement of revival > of the IGC website. There are volunteers from within the IGC (made up of > technical and non-technical persons, some of whom are past coordinators) > who have been working on restoration of the website during last few days. > Jeremy Malcom has sponsored five years of hosting and I (under singed) > Developed the Website. Contents are obtained from https://web.archive.org. > This is a soft launch with soft edits on content to make them relevant. > Broken links are removed. Comments are welcome. We believe that the website > has to be maintained regularly, with periodic offsite-backups. Tapani > Tarvainen is arranging offsite-backups. > > This dedicated team of volunteers consisting of Akinremi Peter Taiwo, Avri > Doria, Farzaneh Badii, Ian Peter, Imran Ahmed Shah, Jeremy Malcolm, > Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro and Tapani Tarvainen. Our Team leads for the > restoration are Farzaneh and Imran. > > We wanted to do a quick launch and work on bringing back the archives, > mailing list and others over the time. The website https://IGCaucus.org > has been revived with the minimal necessary requirements and now this > Working Group of volunteers is working for its enhancement and completion. > We also need to be able to place time triggers to differentiate between new > members and old ones. This is archived information. > > As you can see on the website, the membership list is not yet published. > This is due to the fact that we need to work on an updated list of members, > differentiate those who voted in the last elections and who have been > members for over 2 months. This would need us to get involved with the > matters related to elections which we think should be done in coordination > with IGC coordinator and perhaps a group of volunteers who would like to > help with organizing the elections. > > The website is now open for comments. Please let us know your comments and > suggestions. > > > on behalf of > [IGC Working Group for the Revival of Website] > > Imran Ahmed Shah > [President: IGF Pakistan, Youth IGF Pakistan, Urdu Internet Society] > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sat Aug 3 14:43:07 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Remmy Nweke (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 19:43:07 +0100 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> Message-ID: Hi David Even if it will not entirely on its own secure release but adds up to the efforts diplomatically. We can't keep silent either, otherwise it means we are supporting the government against one of own advocates for free and open internet space and more so on open government and accountability. Insiders in China are being hurted so they need us at this time to speak for them and support them too. Regards Remmy On Sat, Aug 3, 2019, 6:46 PM wrote: > Do we actually believe our actions will secure his release? > > Or rather, have the opportunity tp be clear that despotic behavior is > unacceptable in the world community? And so, want to be clear on the fact. > > Which is the realistic option? > > David > > > On Aug 3, 2019, at 1:29 PM, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: > > I am not happy with the tone of this. > > If you actually want something to happen and for China to listen, I would > suggest removing phrases such as "Huang Qi's persecution and imprisonment > reflects China’s continued repression of free speech." That will achieve > nothing towards securing a release. > > I think earlier on Chaitanya was alluding to the need for a more > diplomatic post, when he suggested (along with a third suggestion which > everyone rejected) > > - Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to the > foreground these issues (corruption & human rights issues). > - It is our (my) view that he should be honoured as a strong contributor > to society. > > I can see the logic in including such phrases and in phrasing a letter so > that it is not so much an attack on a country who we are asking to take a > specific action to free someone who we believe has been wrongfully > imprisoned. > > > > Ian > > > ----- Original Message ------ > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > To: "Marie Georges" > Cc: "Norbert Bollow" ; "governance" < > governance at lists.riseup.net> > Sent: 3/08/2019 2:45:52 AM > Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing > > Dear All, > > Please suggest revisions. When there is consensus and we finalise, we can > release the statement to China's ambassador to Geneva who is on the MAG. > > Proposed Draft > > The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the > sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has > been honored multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in > exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his > website, 64 Tianwang. > > Huang Qi's persecution and imprisonment reflects China’s continued > repression of free speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its > international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of > law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him > access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. > We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement > of his family and those who assisted him. > > We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights Council > this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to > aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles > which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and > Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the > OHCHR website. > > On Fri, 2 Aug 2019, 5:48 pm Marie Georges, wrote: > >> Complete agreement with you Norbert. >> Marie >> >> Envoyé de mon iPhone >> >> > Le 2 août 2019 à 10:24, Norbert Bollow a écrit : >> > >> > On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 03:38:08 +0530 >> > "Chaitanya Dhareshwar" (via governance Mailing List) >> > wrote: >> > >> >> - A reasonable middle ground between sentencing (law) and honouring >> >> commitment to free speech would be to give a Community Service >> >> sentence >> > >> > I would strongly object to anything that calls anything a "reasonable >> > middle ground" which is not fully in alignment with all human rights >> > including the right to free speech. >> > >> > Greetings, >> > Norbert >> > --- >> > To unsubscribe: >> > List help: >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > --- > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Sat Aug 3 15:20:05 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2019 19:20:05 +0000 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> Message-ID: Well I'm not sure of the objective David. But if it is, as you suggest, to be clear that despotic behaviour is unacceptable in the world community, I woud prefer a broader letter including cases such as Chelsea Manning and Julian Assange. And perhaps a very broad range of internet activists who have been imprisoned, and perhaps addressed to UN or something. This just looks a little Sinophobic to me in its current form. ------ Original Message ------ From: david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu To: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" Cc: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" ; "Marie Georges" ; "Norbert Bollow" ; "governance" Sent: 4/08/2019 3:46:14 AM Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing >Do we actually believe our actions will secure his release? > >Or rather, have the opportunity tp be clear that despotic behavior is >unacceptable in the world community? And so, want to be clear on the >fact. > >Which is the realistic option? > >David > > >>On Aug 3, 2019, at 1:29 PM, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: >> >>I am not happy with the tone of this. >> >>If you actually want something to happen and for China to listen, I >>would suggest removing phrases such as "Huang Qi's persecution and >>imprisonment reflects China’s continued repression of free speech." >>That will achieve nothing towards securing a release. >> >>I think earlier on Chaitanya was alluding to the need for a more >>diplomatic post, when he suggested (along with a third suggestion >>which everyone rejected) >> >>- Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to >>the foreground these issues (corruption & human rights issues). >>- It is our (my) view that he should be honoured as a strong >>contributor to society. >> >>I can see the logic in including such phrases and in phrasing a letter >>so that it is not so much an attack on a country who we are asking to >>take a specific action to free someone who we believe has been >>wrongfully imprisoned. >> >> >> >>Ian >> >> >>----- Original Message ------ >>From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>To: "Marie Georges" >>Cc: "Norbert Bollow" ; "governance" >> >>Sent: 3/08/2019 2:45:52 AM >>Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing >> >>>Dear All, >>> >>>Please suggest revisions. When there is consensus and we finalise, we >>>can release the statement to China's ambassador to Geneva who is on >>>the MAG. >>> >>>Proposed Draft >>>The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by >>>the sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. >>>Huang has been honored multiple times by Reporters Without Borders >>>for his courage in exposing corruption and human rights violations in >>>China through his website, 64 Tianwang. >>> >>>Huang Qi's persecution and imprisonment reflects China’s continued >>>repression of free speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold >>>its international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and >>>the rule of law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, >>>and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal >>>counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end undue >>>restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those who >>>assisted him. >>> >>>We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights >>>Council this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls >>>on China to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights >>>and Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on >>>Internet Rights and Principles within the Internet Governance Forum >>>and is available on the OHCHR website. >>> >>> >>>On Fri, 2 Aug 2019, 5:48 pm Marie Georges, >>>wrote: >>>>Complete agreement with you Norbert. >>>>Marie >>>> >>>>Envoyé de mon iPhone >>>> >>>> > Le 2 août 2019 à 10:24, Norbert Bollow a écrit : >>>> > >>>> > On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 03:38:08 +0530 >>>> > "Chaitanya Dhareshwar" (via governance Mailing List) >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> - A reasonable middle ground between sentencing (law) and >>>>honouring >>>> >> commitment to free speech would be to give a Community Service >>>> >> sentence >>>> > >>>> > I would strongly object to anything that calls anything a >>>>"reasonable >>>> > middle ground" which is not fully in alignment with all human >>>>rights >>>> > including the right to free speech. >>>> > >>>> > Greetings, >>>> > Norbert >>>> > --- >>>> > To unsubscribe: >>>> > List help: >>>> >>>>--- >>>>To unsubscribe: >>>>List help: >>--- >>To unsubscribe: >>List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu Sat Aug 3 16:33:35 2019 From: david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu (david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 16:33:35 -0400 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> Do you think there is a reason it’’s China – its human rights record, writ repeatedly, every day …? David > On Aug 3, 2019, at 3:20 PM, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: > > Well I'm not sure of the objective David. > > But if it is, as you suggest, to be clear that despotic behaviour is unacceptable in the world community, I woud prefer a broader letter including cases such as Chelsea Manning and Julian Assange. And perhaps a very broad range of internet activists who have been imprisoned, and perhaps addressed to UN or something. > > This just looks a little Sinophobic to me in its current form. > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu > To: "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" > > Cc: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >; "Marie Georges" >; "Norbert Bollow" >; "governance" > > Sent: 4/08/2019 3:46:14 AM > Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing > >> Do we actually believe our actions will secure his release? >> >> Or rather, have the opportunity tp be clear that despotic behavior is unacceptable in the world community? And so, want to be clear on the fact. >> >> Which is the realistic option? >> >> David >> >> >>> On Aug 3, 2019, at 1:29 PM, ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: >>> >>> I am not happy with the tone of this. >>> >>> If you actually want something to happen and for China to listen, I would suggest removing phrases such as "Huang Qi's persecution and imprisonment reflects China’s continued repression of free speech." That will achieve nothing towards securing a release. >>> >>> I think earlier on Chaitanya was alluding to the need for a more diplomatic post, when he suggested (along with a third suggestion which everyone rejected) >>> >>> - Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to the foreground these issues (corruption & human rights issues). >>> - It is our (my) view that he should be honoured as a strong contributor to society. >>> >>> I can see the logic in including such phrases and in phrasing a letter so that it is not so much an attack on a country who we are asking to take a specific action to free someone who we believe has been wrongfully imprisoned. >>> >>> >>> >>> Ian >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ------ >>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > >>> To: "Marie Georges" > >>> Cc: "Norbert Bollow" >; "governance" > >>> Sent: 3/08/2019 2:45:52 AM >>> Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing >>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> Please suggest revisions. When there is consensus and we finalise, we can release the statement to China's ambassador to Geneva who is on the MAG. >>>> >>>> Proposed Draft >>>> The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been honored multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his website, 64 Tianwang. >>>> >>>> Huang Qi's persecution and imprisonment reflects China’s continued repression of free speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those who assisted him. >>>> >>>> We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights Council this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the OHCHR website. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 2 Aug 2019, 5:48 pm Marie Georges, > wrote: >>>> Complete agreement with you Norbert. >>>> Marie >>>> >>>> Envoyé de mon iPhone >>>> >>>> > Le 2 août 2019 à 10:24, Norbert Bollow > a écrit : >>>> > >>>> > On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 03:38:08 +0530 >>>> > "Chaitanya Dhareshwar" (via governance Mailing List) >>>> > > wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> - A reasonable middle ground between sentencing (law) and honouring >>>> >> commitment to free speech would be to give a Community Service >>>> >> sentence >>>> > >>>> > I would strongly object to anything that calls anything a "reasonable >>>> > middle ground" which is not fully in alignment with all human rights >>>> > including the right to free speech. >>>> > >>>> > Greetings, >>>> > Norbert >>>> > --- >>>> > To unsubscribe: > >>>> > List help: > >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To unsubscribe: > >>>> List help: > >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: > >>> List help: > >> > --- > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sat Aug 3 21:33:00 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 13:33:00 +1200 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> Message-ID: Dear All, This revised draft captures some of Chaitanya and Ian's input and suggested edits. Please review and comment. Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 *Proposed Draft* The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been honoured multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his website, 64 Tianwang. Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to corruption & human rights. It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong contributor to society. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those who assisted him. We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights Council this year. 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This needs to be redrafted from scratch should we want to issue a statement. On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:33 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > Dear All, > > This revised draft captures some of Chaitanya and Ian's input and > suggested edits. Please review and comment. > > Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 > > *Proposed Draft* > > The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the > sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has > been honoured multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage > in exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his > website, 64 Tianwang. > > > > Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to the > foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to > corruption & human rights. It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured > as a strong contributor to society. > > > > We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments > related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on China to > immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, > medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China > to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and > those who assisted him. > > > > We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights Council > this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to > aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles > which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and > Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the > OHCHR website. > > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- Farzaneh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Sun Aug 4 00:04:25 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2019 04:04:25 +0000 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> Message-ID: Oh I am glad you noticed that Farzaneh - our credibility for having independent inputs is ruined if we either deliberately or accidentally adopt such statements which fully mimic any government. Here is the wording of the US statement - more than just the opening paragraph, whole sections of our proposed wording are identical. WTF..... "The United States is deeply concerned by the sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been honored multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his website, 64 Tianwang. The imprisonment of Huang Qi underscores China’s continued repression of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including free speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those who assisted him." So I oppose repitition of any of these sentences or phrases. We can echo the sentiments if we are in agreement with them, but our statement must be our statement, not a copy of that of any government.. Ian Peter ------ Original Message ------ From: "farzaneh badii" To: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com Cc: "David Allen" ; "Marie Georges" ; "Norbert Bollow" ; "governance" ; "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" Sent: 4/08/2019 12:14:43 PM Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing >The first paragraph is almost a copy paste of the US statement. We >can't just work on a "draft" that someone else has issued already. This >needs to be redrafted from scratch should we want to issue a statement. > >On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:33 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > wrote: >>Dear All, >> >>This revised draft captures some of Chaitanya and Ian's input and >>suggested edits. Please review and comment. >> >>Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 >> >>Proposed Draft >> >>The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by >>the sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. >>Huang has been honoured multiple times by Reporters Without Borders >>for his courage in exposing corruption and human rights violations in >>China through his website, 64 Tianwang. >> >> >> >> Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to >>the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited >>to corruption & human rights. It is our view that Huang Qi should be >>honoured as a strong contributor to society. >> >> >> >>We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments >>related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on >>China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his >>family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. We also >>call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of >>his family and those who assisted him. >> >> >> >>We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights >>Council this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls >>on China to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights >>and Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on >>Internet Rights and Principles within the Internet Governance Forum >>and is available on the OHCHR website. >> >> >> >> >>--- >>To unsubscribe: >>List help: >-- >Farzaneh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sun Aug 4 00:52:24 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (srajukanumuri (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 10:22:24 +0530 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> Message-ID: Dear one and all Suppression is happening all over the world .each country tells their own story . If we ask any thing they will talk past genocides wars invasion colonial wars cyber attacks trade wars weapons of mass distruction occupying other countries like our own lands biz in our neighborhood crate race religion wars poor rich wars etc divide and rule . Democracies vs Communists vs left vs right vs plutocrats vs trade wars vs super power . In all countries internally so many innocemts are getting killed by gun voilance , land mafia , real estate mafia criminal acts corruption looting factionists naxalites dacoits etc poverty drugs poor man made wars greediness etc making humans like barbarians animals to kill each other cheat other arrest innocemts etc World is flat made humanity forgetting about values ethics etc All humans are one 1st they are good humans respect each other love each other honer each other with equal development individual nation sovergnty freedom survival . All over world human rights are treated differently and also problems . Today. Criminals corrupt mafia linked poltical parties are ruling countries they are making creating terror in various means for power . Make slaves for ever . Even earth climate countries happiness gone they are continuing same acts of suppression arrests or stamping Innocents as criminals crooks terrorists in the process others are also effecting they are also becoming fighting for justice or becoming killers . Creators are distroyres. In all countries no proper justice for suffering families honest good poor middle class . Entire humanity must pray for good people rights people support voice for them or request governments to respect their own honest citizens intelctuals visionaries etc In India also so many Innocents freedom fighters scientists families anti corruption activists innovators families killed suppressed by poltical system judiciary police etc greedy societies humans are root cause for humanity problems earth issues like home country issues . Who is good bad ugly crooks criminals suppressors dictators etc only humanity must decide and lastly peace is important non voilance non exploiting is important for survival . Let world leaders think once again for peace and prosperity of their citizens and also rights activists. Sit with them think broadly have common actions thoughts idieas vision dreams about future .. With gratitude to humanity goodness rights of life on mother Earth. Note : my family came freedom fighters scientists families. But my parents rights activists killed by poltical parties police judiciary etc these same guys are leaders ministers etc who are doing biz world wide including usa Europe China Africa Belgrade gulf Singapore etc illegal mining to so many countries red sandal wood smuggling to China etc same story in all countries . resources looting ward suppression money power have villas hatch's billions in pocket have safe tax Haven's to park looted money gold diamonds people money government money banks stock markets compdities fake real estate etc humanity earth life re booting re thinking as good honest only matters. On Sun, Aug 4, 2019, 9:35 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: > Oh I am glad you noticed that Farzaneh - our credibility for having > independent inputs is ruined if we either deliberately or accidentally > adopt such statements which fully mimic any government. > > Here is the wording of the US statement - more than just the opening > paragraph, whole sections of our proposed wording are identical. WTF..... > > *"The United States is deeply concerned by the sentencing of online > activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been honored multiple > times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in exposing corruption > and human rights violations in China through his website, 64 Tianwang.* > > *The imprisonment of Huang Qi underscores China’s continued repression of > human rights and fundamental freedoms, including free speech. We urge the > Chinese government to uphold its international commitments related to fair > trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on China to immediately > release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and > legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end undue > restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those who > assisted him."* > So I oppose repitition of any of these sentences or phrases. We can echo > the sentiments if we are in agreement with them, but our statement must be > our statement, not a copy of that of any government.. > > Ian Peter > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "farzaneh badii" > To: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com > Cc: "David Allen" ; "Marie Georges" < > ma.georges at orange.fr>; "Norbert Bollow" ; "governance" < > governance at lists.riseup.net>; "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> > Sent: 4/08/2019 12:14:43 PM > Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing > > The first paragraph is almost a copy paste of the US statement. We can't > just work on a "draft" that someone else has issued already. This needs to > be redrafted from scratch should we want to issue a statement. > > On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:33 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> This revised draft captures some of Chaitanya and Ian's input and >> suggested edits. Please review and comment. >> >> Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 >> >> *Proposed Draft* >> >> The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the >> sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has >> been honoured multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage >> in exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his >> website, 64 Tianwang. >> >> >> >> Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to the >> foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to >> corruption & human rights. It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured >> as a strong contributor to society. >> >> >> >> We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments >> related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on China to >> immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, >> medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China >> to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and >> those who assisted him. >> >> >> >> We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights Council >> this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to >> aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles >> which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and >> Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the >> OHCHR website. >> >> >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > -- > Farzaneh > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Aug 1 08:55:23 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 13:55:23 +0100 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing Message-ID: Dear fellow Caucus, I would like to propose that we draft a statement concerning Huan Qi, an online activist's sentencing. Proposed Draft The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been honored multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his website, 64 Tianwang. Huang Qi's persecution and imprisonment reflects China’s continued repression of free speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those who assisted him. Kind Regards, Sala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sun Aug 4 01:19:34 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 06:19:34 +0100 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> Message-ID: Suggest draft text and which ones to replace. On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 3:14 am farzaneh badii, wrote: > The first paragraph is almost a copy paste of the US statement. We can't > just work on a "draft" that someone else has issued already. This needs to > be redrafted from scratch should we want to issue a statement. > > On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:33 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> This revised draft captures some of Chaitanya and Ian's input and >> suggested edits. Please review and comment. >> >> Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 >> >> *Proposed Draft* >> >> The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the >> sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has >> been honoured multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage >> in exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his >> website, 64 Tianwang. >> >> >> >> Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to the >> foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to >> corruption & human rights. It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured >> as a strong contributor to society. >> >> >> >> We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments >> related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on China to >> immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, >> medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China >> to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and >> those who assisted him. >> >> >> >> We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights Council >> this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to >> aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles >> which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and >> Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the >> OHCHR website. >> >> >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > -- > Farzaneh > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sun Aug 4 01:24:18 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 06:24:18 +0100 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> Message-ID: Your suggested draft text was incorporated into the text and if you are still after further revisions, be precise in what specifically you want to replace. On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 5:05 am ian.peter at ianpeter.com, wrote: > Oh I am glad you noticed that Farzaneh - our credibility for having > independent inputs is ruined if we either deliberately or accidentally > adopt such statements which fully mimic any government. > > Here is the wording of the US statement - more than just the opening > paragraph, whole sections of our proposed wording are identical. WTF..... > > *"The United States is deeply concerned by the sentencing of online > activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been honored multiple > times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in exposing corruption > and human rights violations in China through his website, 64 Tianwang.* > > *The imprisonment of Huang Qi underscores China’s continued repression of > human rights and fundamental freedoms, including free speech. We urge the > Chinese government to uphold its international commitments related to fair > trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on China to immediately > release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and > legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end undue > restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those who > assisted him."* > So I oppose repitition of any of these sentences or phrases. We can echo > the sentiments if we are in agreement with them, but our statement must be > our statement, not a copy of that of any government.. > > Ian Peter > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "farzaneh badii" > To: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com > Cc: "David Allen" ; "Marie Georges" < > ma.georges at orange.fr>; "Norbert Bollow" ; "governance" < > governance at lists.riseup.net>; "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> > Sent: 4/08/2019 12:14:43 PM > Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing > > The first paragraph is almost a copy paste of the US statement. We can't > just work on a "draft" that someone else has issued already. This needs to > be redrafted from scratch should we want to issue a statement. > > On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:33 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> This revised draft captures some of Chaitanya and Ian's input and >> suggested edits. Please review and comment. >> >> Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 >> >> *Proposed Draft* >> >> The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the >> sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has >> been honoured multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage >> in exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his >> website, 64 Tianwang. >> >> >> >> Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to the >> foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to >> corruption & human rights. It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured >> as a strong contributor to society. >> >> >> >> We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments >> related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on China to >> immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, >> medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China >> to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and >> those who assisted him. >> >> >> >> We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights Council >> this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to >> aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles >> which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and >> Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the >> OHCHR website. >> >> >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > -- > Farzaneh > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sun Aug 4 01:25:33 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 06:25:33 +0100 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> Message-ID: Sorry about what happened to your family, Srajukanimuri. Thank you for sharing your opinions and views with us. On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 5:52 am srajukanumuri, wrote: > Dear one and all > > Suppression is happening all over the world .each country tells their own > story . If we ask any thing they will talk past genocides wars invasion > colonial wars cyber attacks trade wars weapons of mass distruction > occupying other countries like our own lands biz in our neighborhood crate > race religion wars poor rich wars etc divide and rule . > > Democracies vs Communists vs left vs right vs plutocrats vs trade wars vs > super power . > > In all countries internally so many innocemts are getting killed by gun > voilance , land mafia , real estate mafia criminal acts corruption looting > factionists naxalites dacoits etc poverty drugs poor man made wars > greediness etc making humans like barbarians animals to kill each other > cheat other arrest innocemts etc > > World is flat made humanity forgetting about values ethics etc > > All humans are one 1st they are good humans respect each other love each > other honer each other with equal development individual nation sovergnty > freedom survival . > > All over world human rights are treated differently and also problems . > > Today. Criminals corrupt mafia linked poltical parties are ruling > countries they are making creating terror in various means for power . > Make slaves for ever . > > Even earth climate countries happiness gone they are continuing same acts > of suppression arrests or stamping Innocents as criminals crooks terrorists > in the process others are also effecting they are also becoming fighting > for justice or becoming killers . > > Creators are distroyres. In all countries no proper justice for suffering > families honest good poor middle class . > > Entire humanity must pray for good people rights people support voice for > them or request governments to respect their own honest citizens > intelctuals visionaries etc > > In India also so many Innocents freedom fighters scientists families anti > corruption activists innovators families killed suppressed by poltical > system judiciary police etc greedy societies humans are root cause for > humanity problems earth issues like home country issues . > > Who is good bad ugly crooks criminals suppressors dictators etc only > humanity must decide and lastly peace is important non voilance non > exploiting is important for survival . > > Let world leaders think once again for peace and prosperity of their > citizens and also rights activists. > > Sit with them think broadly have common actions thoughts idieas vision > dreams about future .. > > With gratitude to humanity goodness rights of life on mother Earth. > > Note : my family came freedom fighters scientists families. But my > parents rights activists killed by poltical parties police judiciary etc > these same guys are leaders ministers etc who are doing biz world wide > including usa Europe China Africa Belgrade gulf Singapore etc illegal > mining to so many countries red sandal wood smuggling to China etc same > story in all countries . resources looting ward suppression money power > have villas hatch's billions in pocket have safe tax Haven's to park looted > money gold diamonds people money government money banks stock markets > compdities fake real estate etc > > humanity earth life re booting re thinking as good honest only matters. > > > On Sun, Aug 4, 2019, 9:35 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > >> Oh I am glad you noticed that Farzaneh - our credibility for having >> independent inputs is ruined if we either deliberately or accidentally >> adopt such statements which fully mimic any government. >> >> Here is the wording of the US statement - more than just the opening >> paragraph, whole sections of our proposed wording are identical. WTF..... >> >> *"The United States is deeply concerned by the sentencing of online >> activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been honored multiple >> times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in exposing corruption >> and human rights violations in China through his website, 64 Tianwang.* >> >> *The imprisonment of Huang Qi underscores China’s continued repression of >> human rights and fundamental freedoms, including free speech. We urge the >> Chinese government to uphold its international commitments related to fair >> trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on China to immediately >> release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and >> legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end undue >> restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those who >> assisted him."* >> So I oppose repitition of any of these sentences or phrases. We can echo >> the sentiments if we are in agreement with them, but our statement must be >> our statement, not a copy of that of any government.. >> >> Ian Peter >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "farzaneh badii" >> To: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com >> Cc: "David Allen" ; "Marie Georges" < >> ma.georges at orange.fr>; "Norbert Bollow" ; "governance" < >> governance at lists.riseup.net>; "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" < >> ian.peter at ianpeter.com> >> Sent: 4/08/2019 12:14:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing >> >> The first paragraph is almost a copy paste of the US statement. We can't >> just work on a "draft" that someone else has issued already. This needs to >> be redrafted from scratch should we want to issue a statement. >> >> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:33 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> This revised draft captures some of Chaitanya and Ian's input and >>> suggested edits. Please review and comment. >>> >>> Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 >>> >>> *Proposed Draft* >>> >>> The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the >>> sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has >>> been honoured multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage >>> in exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his >>> website, 64 Tianwang. >>> >>> >>> >>> Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to the >>> foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to >>> corruption & human rights. It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured >>> as a strong contributor to society. >>> >>> >>> >>> We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments >>> related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on China to >>> immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, >>> medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China >>> to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and >>> those who assisted him. >>> >>> >>> >>> We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights >>> Council this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on >>> China to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and >>> Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights >>> and Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the >>> OHCHR website. >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >> -- >> Farzaneh >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sun Aug 4 01:30:23 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 06:30:23 +0100 Subject: [governance] Revised Draft Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear All, This revised draft captures some of Chaitanya and Ian's input and suggested edits. Please review and comment. Should you wish sentences replaced, suggest, alternative texts and drafts. This would be easier with the etherpad restored. This is still a Draft so don't get your panties and knickers in a twist/knot. 🤣🤣🤣 Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 *Proposed Draft* The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been honoured multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his website, 64 Tianwang. Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to corruption & human rights. It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong contributor to society. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those who assisted him. We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights Council this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the OHCHR website. On Thu, 1 Aug 2019, 1:55 pm Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear fellow Caucus, > > I would like to propose that we draft a statement concerning Huan Qi, an > online activist's sentencing. > > Proposed Draft > > The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the > sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has > been honored multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in > exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his > website, 64 Tianwang. > > Huang Qi's persecution and imprisonment reflects China’s continued > repression of free speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its > international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of > law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him > access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. > We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement > of his family and those who assisted him. > > > Kind Regards, > > Sala > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Sun Aug 4 01:44:31 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2019 05:44:31 +0000 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> Message-ID: To be absolutely precise, Sala. I want to replace everything. It is totally inappropriate to use a US Government text, and then later suggest most of it be adopted as final copy, for a civil society statement. If someone wants to come up with a fresh statement that it not plagiarising US government statements, I will be happy to look and comment. But as regards this process and discussion, I am sorry, but I cannot support this as a basis for a civil society statement. Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "Ian Peter" Cc: "farzaneh badii" ; "David Allen" ; "Marie Georges" ; "Norbert Bollow" ; "governance" Sent: 4/08/2019 3:24:18 PM Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing >Your suggested draft text was incorporated into the text and if you are >still after further revisions, be precise in what specifically you want >to replace. > >On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 5:05 am ian.peter at ianpeter.com, > wrote: >>Oh I am glad you noticed that Farzaneh - our credibility for having >>independent inputs is ruined if we either deliberately or accidentally >>adopt such statements which fully mimic any government. >> >>Here is the wording of the US statement - more than just the opening >>paragraph, whole sections of our proposed wording are identical. >>WTF..... >> >>"The United States is deeply concerned by the sentencing of online >>activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been honored >>multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in >>exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his >>website, 64 Tianwang. >> >>The imprisonment of Huang Qi underscores China’s continued repression >>of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including free speech. We >>urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments >>related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on >>China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his >>family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. We also >>call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of >>his family and those who assisted him." >> >>So I oppose repitition of any of these sentences or phrases. We can >>echo the sentiments if we are in agreement with them, but our >>statement must be our statement, not a copy of that of any >>government.. >> >>Ian Peter >> >> >>------ Original Message ------ >>From: "farzaneh badii" >>To: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com >>Cc: "David Allen" ; "Marie Georges" >>; "Norbert Bollow" ; "governance" >>; "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" >> >>Sent: 4/08/2019 12:14:43 PM >>Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing >> >>>The first paragraph is almost a copy paste of the US statement. We >>>can't just work on a "draft" that someone else has issued already. >>>This needs to be redrafted from scratch should we want to issue a >>>statement. >>> >>>On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:33 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>> wrote: >>>>Dear All, >>>> >>>>This revised draft captures some of Chaitanya and Ian's input and >>>>suggested edits. Please review and comment. >>>> >>>>Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 >>>> >>>>Proposed Draft >>>> >>>>The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by >>>>the sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. >>>>Huang has been honoured multiple times by Reporters Without Borders >>>>for his courage in exposing corruption and human rights violations >>>>in China through his website, 64 Tianwang. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to >>>>the foreground these good governance issues including but not >>>>limited to corruption & human rights. It is our view that Huang Qi >>>>should be honoured as a strong contributor to society. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international >>>>commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. >>>>We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him >>>>access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as >>>>possible. We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the >>>>freedom of movement of his family and those who assisted him. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights >>>>Council this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus >>>>calls on China to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet >>>>Rights and Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition >>>>on Internet Rights and Principles within the Internet Governance >>>>Forum and is available on the OHCHR website. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>--- >>>>To unsubscribe: >>>>List help: >>>-- >>>Farzaneh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sun Aug 4 01:59:27 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 06:59:27 +0100 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> Message-ID: Your point has been made and is noted. Recommend text. A lot of the current draft version is new and is the result of collaboration. Suggest a new draft text. Am currently in LA and will be flying to Heathrow tomorrow at 5pm so will be off grid unless there is is wifi on the plane which I am hoping there is. Again, it is a Draft. On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 6:44 am ian.peter at ianpeter.com, wrote: > To be absolutely precise, Sala. > > I want to replace everything. It is totally inappropriate to use a US > Government text, and then later suggest most of it be adopted as final > copy, for a civil society statement. > > If someone wants to come up with a fresh statement that it not > plagiarising US government statements, I will be happy to look and comment. > But as regards this process and discussion, I am sorry, but I cannot > support this as a basis for a civil society statement. > > Ian > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > To: "Ian Peter" > Cc: "farzaneh badii" ; "David Allen" < > David_Allen_AB63 at post.harvard.edu>; "Marie Georges" ; > "Norbert Bollow" ; "governance" > > Sent: 4/08/2019 3:24:18 PM > Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing > > Your suggested draft text was incorporated into the text and if you are > still after further revisions, be precise in what specifically you want to > replace. > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 5:05 am ian.peter at ianpeter.com, < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > >> Oh I am glad you noticed that Farzaneh - our credibility for having >> independent inputs is ruined if we either deliberately or accidentally >> adopt such statements which fully mimic any government. >> >> Here is the wording of the US statement - more than just the opening >> paragraph, whole sections of our proposed wording are identical. WTF..... >> >> *"The United States is deeply concerned by the sentencing of online >> activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been honored multiple >> times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in exposing corruption >> and human rights violations in China through his website, 64 Tianwang.* >> >> *The imprisonment of Huang Qi underscores China’s continued repression of >> human rights and fundamental freedoms, including free speech. We urge the >> Chinese government to uphold its international commitments related to fair >> trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on China to immediately >> release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and >> legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end undue >> restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those who >> assisted him."* >> So I oppose repitition of any of these sentences or phrases. We can echo >> the sentiments if we are in agreement with them, but our statement must be >> our statement, not a copy of that of any government.. >> >> Ian Peter >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "farzaneh badii" >> To: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com >> Cc: "David Allen" ; "Marie Georges" < >> ma.georges at orange.fr>; "Norbert Bollow" ; "governance" < >> governance at lists.riseup.net>; "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" < >> ian.peter at ianpeter.com> >> Sent: 4/08/2019 12:14:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing >> >> The first paragraph is almost a copy paste of the US statement. We can't >> just work on a "draft" that someone else has issued already. This needs to >> be redrafted from scratch should we want to issue a statement. >> >> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:33 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> This revised draft captures some of Chaitanya and Ian's input and >>> suggested edits. Please review and comment. >>> >>> Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 >>> >>> *Proposed Draft* >>> >>> The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the >>> sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has >>> been honoured multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage >>> in exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his >>> website, 64 Tianwang. >>> >>> >>> >>> Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to the >>> foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to >>> corruption & human rights. It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured >>> as a strong contributor to society. >>> >>> >>> >>> We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments >>> related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on China to >>> immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, >>> medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China >>> to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and >>> those who assisted him. >>> >>> >>> >>> We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights >>> Council this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on >>> China to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and >>> Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights >>> and Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the >>> OHCHR website. >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >> -- >> Farzaneh >> >> --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sun Aug 4 03:18:21 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 19:18:21 +1200 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> Message-ID: Dear All, Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any changes as this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the sentences for ease of reference and when commenting on replacements, refer to sentence number and suggest edits and revisions. *Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time]* Proposed Revised Draft (1)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets when he was promoting accountability and transparency and good governance. (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights Council this year. (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the OHCHR website. (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honoured by Reporters Without Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. (5) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human trafficking cases, over the years, it has extended to reporting on persons exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to corruption & human rights. (7) It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong contributor to society. (8) We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. (9)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of keeping government accountable to the people. (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. (11) We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those who assisted him. ENDS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sun Aug 4 03:32:02 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 08:32:02 +0100 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> Message-ID: Dear All, Further to the revised draft, I should add that he has advanced medical conditions that require treatment, see: https://cpj.org/2019/07/chinese-court-sentences-journalist-huang-qi-to-12-.php Sala On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:18 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any changes as > this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the sentences for ease > of reference and when commenting on replacements, refer to sentence number > and suggest edits and revisions. > > *Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time]* > > > Proposed Revised Draft > > (1)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the > sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to 12 > years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets when he was promoting > accountability and transparency and good governance. > > > (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights > Council this year. > > > (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to aspire > to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles which was > developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles within > the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the OHCHR website. > > > (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honoured by Reporters Without > Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. > > > (5) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human > trafficking cases, over the years, it has extended to reporting on persons > exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. > > > > (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to > the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to > corruption & human rights. > > > (7) It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong > contributor to society. > > > > (8) We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments > related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. > > > (9)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of > keeping government accountable to the people. > > > (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him > access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. > > > (11) We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of > movement of his family and those who assisted him. > > > > ENDS > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sun Aug 4 04:32:18 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (srajukanumuri (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 14:02:18 +0530 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> Message-ID: Entire honking suffering by British colonial acts in India and other nations. Now Brit exit . War in Falklands Irish Scottish suppression wars all over the world is act of colonial acts .indigionous people suffering developing Nationals Africa south America India sufferings terrorists attacks world wide from rouge nations etc Last 500 yrs wars occupations is for trade prosperity slavery un perminant security members. Why this global divide . Allready global economy gone to dogs climate gone to death bed climate change effecting a lot . 1st save mother Earth let humans life on mother live happily. Earth will be Mars moon sun etc World must decide. Make technologies human rights human minds for all citizens live happy as gender equal . Let citizens of world sit together for non voilance peace talks . Like wife and husband partners fightjng two nations fought then rest of rogues join to make simple issue solved to make global problem nation problem. Entire world is educated what is happening all over world knows .why not peace no guns no war machines no nuclear weapons Gun powder etc Like zero plastic zero arms zero drugs zero defence zero egoism zero economic divide . Zero genocide on own citizens zero wars zero slavery zero migrants. United Nations no meaning . United eco humans earth is key .if entire earth join together we can conquer all galaxies. Humans searching spacr for survival spending billions trillions is insane mind greediness. No body knows dooms day . Re boot nations in next climate meetings . Zero wars zero pollution zero economic wars zero divide and rule zero saving criminsls terrorists zero divide and rule . Let earth eco system happy life happy . Good days years for life on Earth On Sun, Aug 4, 2019, 1:10 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > Dear All, > > Further to the revised draft, I should add that he has advanced medical > conditions that require treatment, see: > > > https://cpj.org/2019/07/chinese-court-sentences-journalist-huang-qi-to-12-.php > > Sala > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:18 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any changes as >> this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the sentences for ease >> of reference and when commenting on replacements, refer to sentence number >> and suggest edits and revisions. >> >> *Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time]* >> >> >> Proposed Revised Draft >> >> (1)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by >> the sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to >> 12 years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets when he was >> promoting accountability and transparency and good governance. >> >> >> (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights >> Council this year. >> >> >> (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to aspire >> to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles which was >> developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles within >> the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the OHCHR website. >> >> >> (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honoured by Reporters Without >> Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. >> >> >> (5) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human >> trafficking cases, over the years, it has extended to reporting on persons >> exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. >> >> >> >> (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing >> to the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to >> corruption & human rights. >> >> >> (7) It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong >> contributor to society. >> >> >> >> (8) We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international >> commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. >> >> >> (9)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of >> keeping government accountable to the people. >> >> >> (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him >> access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. >> >> >> (11) We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of >> movement of his family and those who assisted him. >> >> >> >> ENDS >> >> > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sun Aug 4 08:34:24 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 12:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <825086698.810134.1564922064544@mail.yahoo.com> Dear All (IGC Members), With reference to the following proposal on the subject, an EhterPad link is created for the joint collaboration and contribution efforts. Following draft has also been copied there for your. The IGC CS Statement is accessible through following URL Link: https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 This Etherpad is established on request form Sala, temporarily created on RiseUp.net Thanking you and Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah [for IGC WG for Website] P.S:If you do not wish to mention your name, basic information or contribution to be published, please use some abbreviation or alternate to your name, and declare on the mailing list explicitly, that you do not want to mention your basic information (Affiliation/ Organization, Email) anywhere. Please also note that this workspace (Etherpad) and Mailing List both are publicly accessible workspaces somehow. (Ref. IGC GDPR Compliance Policy Statement). WARNING: This "pad" is a collaborative document that can be edited by anyone who has the URL. If you use an obvious name for the pad, it could be guessed. WARNING: This pad will be DELETED if 60 days go by with no edits. There is NO WAY to recover the pad after this happens, so be careful! On Sunday, 4 August 2019, 12:40:41 GMT+5, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: Dear All, Further to the revised draft, I should add that he has advanced medical conditions that require treatment, see: https://cpj.org/2019/07/chinese-court-sentences-journalist-huang-qi-to-12-.php Sala On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:18 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, wrote: Dear All, Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any changes as this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the sentences for ease of reference and when commenting on replacements, refer to sentence number and suggest edits and revisions.  Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time] Proposed Revised  Draft (1)TheCivil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the sentencingof Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prisonfor allegedly leaking state secrets when he was promoting accountability andtransparency and good governance.   (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights Council this year.  (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the OHCHR website. (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honouredby Reporters Without Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize.  (5) Sincesetting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human trafficking cases, overthe years, it has extended to reporting on persons exploited by governmentofficials and promoting good governance.   (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China asa country by bringing to the foreground these good governance issues includingbut not limited to corruption & human rights.  (7) It is our view that Huang Qishould be honoured as a strong contributor to society.    (8) Weurge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments related tofair trial guarantees and the rule of law.   (9)We call on China to recognizethat Mr Huang’s actions are part of keeping government accountable to thepeople.  (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him accessto his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible.   (11) Wealso call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of hisfamily and those who assisted him.   ENDS      --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was hoping you could share this call with the Kenya Internet Governance Forum people. It is due tomorrow, and is for someone to develop a training program about Internet Governance across Africa in partnership with the African Union. Thank you, Isabelle -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- - - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nb at bollow.ch Sun Aug 4 15:46:00 2019 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 21:46:00 +0200 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huang Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <20190804214600.52c6a0ec@quill> I'm strongly in agreement with Ian where he has written: "It is totally inappropriate to use a US Government text, and then later suggest most of it be adopted as final copy, for a civil society statement." And in fact I think that if there is going to be an IGC statement right now, we must take another step back and not just redraft the statement, but consider what we want to achieve (which could be more than one goal, and it doesn't need to be the same goal for everyone, as long as those goals are broadly ok among IGC members), and then figure out how those goals can be credibly advanced. And only then start drafting one or more statements. Although the originally proposed statement expressed sentiments that in themselves I would have been quite willing to endorse, now we are at a point where any statement which we may issue is (both in actual fact and in the perception of anyone who gets informed about what has taken place on this publicly-archived mailing list) not only a reaction to China's deplorable action, but also a reaction to a US government statement. A US government statement which I would consider quite hypocritical in view of the US government's attempts to persecute whistleblowers who have revealed human rights violations committed by the US. Even the excuse used by the Chinese government ("leaking state secrets") is eerily similar to what Chelsea Manning (who lost her pension rights and was sentenced to 35 years in prison, then released early —on the basis of a presidential pardon— after a little under seven years of imprisonment), Julian Assange and Edward Snowden have been accused of by the US. The US government statement is not truly about insisting that the human right to free speech must be safeguarded for whistleblowers who publicly expose human rights violations. If that were now truly a US government view, then they would also publicly change their stance in relation to whistleblowers who expose human rights violations committed by the US. No, that US government statement is part of something else: A process of geopolitical struggle for soft power, which is part of a global geopolitical and economic power struggle that has been going on for a long time. Whether we like it or not, if we were to now issue a statement which criticizes China without also criticizing the US, then we would thereby not only take a side in that geopolitical struggle. We would do so in a way through which we would become complicit in the US government's hypocrisy. Greetings, Norbert On Sun, 04 Aug 2019 05:44:31 +0000 "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" wrote: > To be absolutely precise, Sala. > > I want to replace everything. It is totally inappropriate to use a US > Government text, and then later suggest most of it be adopted as > final copy, for a civil society statement. > > If someone wants to come up with a fresh statement that it not > plagiarising US government statements, I will be happy to look and > comment. But as regards this process and discussion, I am sorry, but > I cannot support this as a basis for a civil society statement. > > Ian > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > To: "Ian Peter" > Cc: "farzaneh badii" ; "David Allen" > ; "Marie Georges" > ; "Norbert Bollow" ; "governance" > > Sent: 4/08/2019 3:24:18 PM > Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing > > >Your suggested draft text was incorporated into the text and if you > >are still after further revisions, be precise in what specifically > >you want to replace. > > > >On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 5:05 am ian.peter at ianpeter.com, > > wrote: > >>Oh I am glad you noticed that Farzaneh - our credibility for having > >>independent inputs is ruined if we either deliberately or > >>accidentally adopt such statements which fully mimic any government. > >> > >>Here is the wording of the US statement - more than just the > >>opening paragraph, whole sections of our proposed wording are > >>identical. WTF..... > >> > >>"The United States is deeply concerned by the sentencing of online > >>activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been honored > >>multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in > >>exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through > >>his website, 64 Tianwang. > >> > >>The imprisonment of Huang Qi underscores China’s continued > >>repression of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including free > >>speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international > >>commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. > >>We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him > >>access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as > >>possible. We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the > >>freedom of movement of his family and those who assisted him." > >> > >>So I oppose repitition of any of these sentences or phrases. We can > >>echo the sentiments if we are in agreement with them, but our > >>statement must be our statement, not a copy of that of any > >>government.. > >> > >>Ian Peter > >> > >> > >>------ Original Message ------ > >>From: "farzaneh badii" > >>To: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com > >>Cc: "David Allen" ; "Marie > >>Georges" ; "Norbert Bollow" ; > >>"governance" ; > >>"ian.peter at ianpeter.com" > >>Sent: 4/08/2019 12:14:43 PM > >>Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing > >> > >>>The first paragraph is almost a copy paste of the US statement. > >>>We can't just work on a "draft" that someone else has issued > >>>already. This needs to be redrafted from scratch should we want to > >>>issue a statement. > >>> > >>>On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:33 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > >>> wrote: > >>>>Dear All, > >>>> > >>>>This revised draft captures some of Chaitanya and Ian's input and > >>>>suggested edits. Please review and comment. > >>>> > >>>>Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 > >>>> > >>>>Proposed Draft > >>>> > >>>>The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned > >>>>by the sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in > >>>>prison. Huang has been honoured multiple times by Reporters > >>>>Without Borders for his courage in exposing corruption and human > >>>>rights violations in China through his website, 64 Tianwang. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by > >>>> bringing to > >>>>the foreground these good governance issues including but not > >>>>limited to corruption & human rights. It is our view that Huang > >>>>Qi should be honoured as a strong contributor to society. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international > >>>>commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of > >>>>law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to > >>>>allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel > >>>>as soon as possible. We also call on China to end undue > >>>>restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those > >>>>who assisted him. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights > >>>>Council this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus > >>>>calls on China to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the > >>>>Internet Rights and Principles which was developed by the Dynamic > >>>>Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles within the Internet > >>>>Governance Forum and is available on the OHCHR website. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>--- > >>>>To unsubscribe: > >>>>List help: > >>>-- > >>>Farzaneh From governance at lists.riseup.net Sun Aug 4 15:53:15 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 20:53:15 +0100 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huang Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: <20190804214600.52c6a0ec@quill> References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> <20190804214600.52c6a0ec@quill> Message-ID: Most countries globally, China, US etc have varying degrees of human rights violations all across the world. Western/Eastern Europe, South America, Africa, Oceania are not exempt from this. We are in agreement to have different text and not to associate with any government, this is not an anti China position. Those who know me personally will know I love the Chinese and China as I love all other nations. The focus here is Huang Qi, a digital activist who has been imprisoned and historically in former imprisonment, he has been denied medical treatment. If you look at the current revised text, there are references for his current situation. So I would encourage everyone to suggest draft text. To make things easier as opposed to scrolling through the thread, Imran has put the current revised draft in the etherpad. Again, this is merely a draft and there is no current call for consensus. That would happen once we are all relatively ok with the draft. For now, I would encourage us to move swiftly and encourage and suggest draft text. The other purpose in initiating this is to demonstrate to newer subscribers that there is a process in which people initiate drafting of statements before the IGC releases this to any forum. Even if the statement never reaches consensus, then at least we would have demonstrated the process. Going to fly to Heathrow from Los Angeles in several hours. Sala On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:46 pm Norbert Bollow, wrote: > I'm strongly in agreement with Ian where he has written: "It is totally > inappropriate to use a US Government text, and then later suggest most > of it be adopted as final copy, for a civil society statement." > > And in fact I think that if there is going to be an IGC statement right > now, we must take another step back and not just redraft the statement, > but consider what we want to achieve (which could be more than one > goal, and it doesn't need to be the same goal for everyone, as long as > those goals are broadly ok among IGC members), and then figure out how > those goals can be credibly advanced. And only then start drafting one > or more statements. > > Although the originally proposed statement expressed sentiments that in > themselves I would have been quite willing to endorse, now we are at a > point where any statement which we may issue is (both in actual fact > and in the perception of anyone who gets informed about what has taken > place on this publicly-archived mailing list) not only a reaction to > China's deplorable action, but also a reaction to a US government > statement. A US government statement which I would consider quite > hypocritical in view of the US government's attempts to persecute > whistleblowers who have revealed human rights violations committed by > the US. Even the excuse used by the Chinese government ("leaking state > secrets") is eerily similar to what Chelsea Manning (who lost her > pension rights and was sentenced to 35 years in prison, then released > early —on the basis of a presidential pardon— after a little under > seven years of imprisonment), Julian Assange and Edward Snowden have > been accused of by the US. > > The US government statement is not truly about insisting that the human > right to free speech must be safeguarded for whistleblowers who publicly > expose human rights violations. If that were now truly a US government > view, then they would also publicly change their stance in relation to > whistleblowers who expose human rights violations committed by the US. > > No, that US government statement is part of something else: A process > of geopolitical struggle for soft power, which is part of a global > geopolitical and economic power struggle that has been going on for a > long time. > > Whether we like it or not, if we were to now issue a statement which > criticizes China without also criticizing the US, then we would > thereby not only take a side in that geopolitical struggle. We would > do so in a way through which we would become complicit in the US > government's hypocrisy. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > > On Sun, 04 Aug 2019 05:44:31 +0000 > "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" wrote: > > > To be absolutely precise, Sala. > > > > I want to replace everything. It is totally inappropriate to use a US > > Government text, and then later suggest most of it be adopted as > > final copy, for a civil society statement. > > > > If someone wants to come up with a fresh statement that it not > > plagiarising US government statements, I will be happy to look and > > comment. But as regards this process and discussion, I am sorry, but > > I cannot support this as a basis for a civil society statement. > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > To: "Ian Peter" > > Cc: "farzaneh badii" ; "David Allen" > > ; "Marie Georges" > > ; "Norbert Bollow" ; "governance" > > > > Sent: 4/08/2019 3:24:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing > > > > >Your suggested draft text was incorporated into the text and if you > > >are still after further revisions, be precise in what specifically > > >you want to replace. > > > > > >On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 5:05 am ian.peter at ianpeter.com, > > > wrote: > > >>Oh I am glad you noticed that Farzaneh - our credibility for having > > >>independent inputs is ruined if we either deliberately or > > >>accidentally adopt such statements which fully mimic any government. > > >> > > >>Here is the wording of the US statement - more than just the > > >>opening paragraph, whole sections of our proposed wording are > > >>identical. WTF..... > > >> > > >>"The United States is deeply concerned by the sentencing of online > > >>activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been honored > > >>multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in > > >>exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through > > >>his website, 64 Tianwang. > > >> > > >>The imprisonment of Huang Qi underscores China’s continued > > >>repression of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including free > > >>speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international > > >>commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. > > >>We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him > > >>access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as > > >>possible. We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the > > >>freedom of movement of his family and those who assisted him." > > >> > > >>So I oppose repitition of any of these sentences or phrases. We can > > >>echo the sentiments if we are in agreement with them, but our > > >>statement must be our statement, not a copy of that of any > > >>government.. > > >> > > >>Ian Peter > > >> > > >> > > >>------ Original Message ------ > > >>From: "farzaneh badii" > > >>To: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com > > >>Cc: "David Allen" ; "Marie > > >>Georges" ; "Norbert Bollow" ; > > >>"governance" ; > > >>"ian.peter at ianpeter.com" > > >>Sent: 4/08/2019 12:14:43 PM > > >>Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing > > >> > > >>>The first paragraph is almost a copy paste of the US statement. > > >>>We can't just work on a "draft" that someone else has issued > > >>>already. This needs to be redrafted from scratch should we want to > > >>>issue a statement. > > >>> > > >>>On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:33 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > >>> wrote: > > >>>>Dear All, > > >>>> > > >>>>This revised draft captures some of Chaitanya and Ian's input and > > >>>>suggested edits. Please review and comment. > > >>>> > > >>>>Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 > > >>>> > > >>>>Proposed Draft > > >>>> > > >>>>The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned > > >>>>by the sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in > > >>>>prison. Huang has been honoured multiple times by Reporters > > >>>>Without Borders for his courage in exposing corruption and human > > >>>>rights violations in China through his website, 64 Tianwang. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by > > >>>> bringing to > > >>>>the foreground these good governance issues including but not > > >>>>limited to corruption & human rights. It is our view that Huang > > >>>>Qi should be honoured as a strong contributor to society. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international > > >>>>commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of > > >>>>law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to > > >>>>allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel > > >>>>as soon as possible. We also call on China to end undue > > >>>>restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those > > >>>>who assisted him. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights > > >>>>Council this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus > > >>>>calls on China to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the > > >>>>Internet Rights and Principles which was developed by the Dynamic > > >>>>Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles within the Internet > > >>>>Governance Forum and is available on the OHCHR website. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>--- > > >>>>To unsubscribe: > > >>>>List help: > > >>>-- > > >>>Farzaneh > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu Sun Aug 4 16:56:17 2019 From: david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu (david_allen_ab63 at post.harvard.edu) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 16:56:17 -0400 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huang Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> <20190804214600.52c6a0ec@quill> Message-ID: <9F4DD73F-FEE0-4D90-9DC7-A431EED6A0AA@post.harvard.edu> First, appreciation to Sala, for her (stalwart) efforts. To the point: Norbert’s call – first – to settle on an objective is, I believe, fundamental. The saying is clear: “when you don’t know where you are going, any road will take you there ...” Looking forward to that discussion, as the first, and next, step. David > On Aug 4, 2019, at 3:53 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > > Most countries globally, China, US etc have varying degrees of human rights violations all across the world. Western/Eastern Europe, South America, Africa, Oceania are not exempt from this. > > We are in agreement to have different text and not to associate with any government, this is not an anti China position. Those who know me personally will know I love the Chinese and China as I love all other nations. > > The focus here is Huang Qi, a digital activist who has been imprisoned and historically in former imprisonment, he has been denied medical treatment. If you look at the current revised text, there are references for his current situation. > > So I would encourage everyone to suggest draft text. To make things easier as opposed to scrolling through the thread, Imran has put the current revised draft in the etherpad. > > Again, this is merely a draft and there is no current call for consensus. That would happen once we are all relatively ok with the draft. For now, I would encourage us to move swiftly and encourage and suggest draft text. > > The other purpose in initiating this is to demonstrate to newer subscribers that there is a process in which people initiate drafting of statements before the IGC releases this to any forum. Even if the statement never reaches consensus, then at least we would have demonstrated the process. > > Going to fly to Heathrow from Los Angeles in several hours. > > Sala > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:46 pm Norbert Bollow, > wrote: > I'm strongly in agreement with Ian where he has written: "It is totally > inappropriate to use a US Government text, and then later suggest most > of it be adopted as final copy, for a civil society statement." > > And in fact I think that if there is going to be an IGC statement right > now, we must take another step back and not just redraft the statement, > but consider what we want to achieve (which could be more than one > goal, and it doesn't need to be the same goal for everyone, as long as > those goals are broadly ok among IGC members), and then figure out how > those goals can be credibly advanced. And only then start drafting one > or more statements. > > Although the originally proposed statement expressed sentiments that in > themselves I would have been quite willing to endorse, now we are at a > point where any statement which we may issue is (both in actual fact > and in the perception of anyone who gets informed about what has taken > place on this publicly-archived mailing list) not only a reaction to > China's deplorable action, but also a reaction to a US government > statement. A US government statement which I would consider quite > hypocritical in view of the US government's attempts to persecute > whistleblowers who have revealed human rights violations committed by > the US. Even the excuse used by the Chinese government ("leaking state > secrets") is eerily similar to what Chelsea Manning (who lost her > pension rights and was sentenced to 35 years in prison, then released > early —on the basis of a presidential pardon— after a little under > seven years of imprisonment), Julian Assange and Edward Snowden have > been accused of by the US. > > The US government statement is not truly about insisting that the human > right to free speech must be safeguarded for whistleblowers who publicly > expose human rights violations. If that were now truly a US government > view, then they would also publicly change their stance in relation to > whistleblowers who expose human rights violations committed by the US. > > No, that US government statement is part of something else: A process > of geopolitical struggle for soft power, which is part of a global > geopolitical and economic power struggle that has been going on for a > long time. > > Whether we like it or not, if we were to now issue a statement which > criticizes China without also criticizing the US, then we would > thereby not only take a side in that geopolitical struggle. We would > do so in a way through which we would become complicit in the US > government's hypocrisy. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > > On Sun, 04 Aug 2019 05:44:31 +0000 > "ian.peter at ianpeter.com " > wrote: > > > To be absolutely precise, Sala. > > > > I want to replace everything. It is totally inappropriate to use a US > > Government text, and then later suggest most of it be adopted as > > final copy, for a civil society statement. > > > > If someone wants to come up with a fresh statement that it not > > plagiarising US government statements, I will be happy to look and > > comment. But as regards this process and discussion, I am sorry, but > > I cannot support this as a basis for a civil society statement. > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > > To: "Ian Peter" > > > Cc: "farzaneh badii" >; "David Allen" > > >; "Marie Georges" > > >; "Norbert Bollow" >; "governance" > > > > > Sent: 4/08/2019 3:24:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing > > > > >Your suggested draft text was incorporated into the text and if you > > >are still after further revisions, be precise in what specifically > > >you want to replace. > > > > > >On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 5:05 am ian.peter at ianpeter.com , > > >> wrote: > > >>Oh I am glad you noticed that Farzaneh - our credibility for having > > >>independent inputs is ruined if we either deliberately or > > >>accidentally adopt such statements which fully mimic any government. > > >> > > >>Here is the wording of the US statement - more than just the > > >>opening paragraph, whole sections of our proposed wording are > > >>identical. WTF..... > > >> > > >>"The United States is deeply concerned by the sentencing of online > > >>activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been honored > > >>multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in > > >>exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through > > >>his website, 64 Tianwang. > > >> > > >>The imprisonment of Huang Qi underscores China’s continued > > >>repression of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including free > > >>speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international > > >>commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. > > >>We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him > > >>access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as > > >>possible. We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the > > >>freedom of movement of his family and those who assisted him." > > >> > > >>So I oppose repitition of any of these sentences or phrases. We can > > >>echo the sentiments if we are in agreement with them, but our > > >>statement must be our statement, not a copy of that of any > > >>government.. > > >> > > >>Ian Peter > > >> > > >> > > >>------ Original Message ------ > > >>From: "farzaneh badii" > > > >>To: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com > > >>Cc: "David Allen" >; "Marie > > >>Georges" >; "Norbert Bollow" >; > > >>"governance" >; > > >>"ian.peter at ianpeter.com " > > > >>Sent: 4/08/2019 12:14:43 PM > > >>Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing > > >> > > >>>The first paragraph is almost a copy paste of the US statement. > > >>>We can't just work on a "draft" that someone else has issued > > >>>already. This needs to be redrafted from scratch should we want to > > >>>issue a statement. > > >>> > > >>>On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:33 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>Dear All, > > >>>> > > >>>>This revised draft captures some of Chaitanya and Ian's input and > > >>>>suggested edits. Please review and comment. > > >>>> > > >>>>Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 > > >>>> > > >>>>Proposed Draft > > >>>> > > >>>>The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned > > >>>>by the sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in > > >>>>prison. Huang has been honoured multiple times by Reporters > > >>>>Without Borders for his courage in exposing corruption and human > > >>>>rights violations in China through his website, 64 Tianwang. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by > > >>>> bringing to > > >>>>the foreground these good governance issues including but not > > >>>>limited to corruption & human rights. It is our view that Huang > > >>>>Qi should be honoured as a strong contributor to society. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international > > >>>>commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of > > >>>>law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to > > >>>>allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel > > >>>>as soon as possible. We also call on China to end undue > > >>>>restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those > > >>>>who assisted him. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights > > >>>>Council this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus > > >>>>calls on China to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the > > >>>>Internet Rights and Principles which was developed by the Dynamic > > >>>>Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles within the Internet > > >>>>Governance Forum and is available on the OHCHR website. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>--- > > >>>>To unsubscribe: > > > >>>>List help: > > > >>>-- > > >>>Farzaneh > > --- > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nb at bollow.ch Sun Aug 4 16:57:47 2019 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 22:57:47 +0200 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huang Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> <20190804214600.52c6a0ec@quill> Message-ID: <20190804225747.1cd69033@quill> Sala, Well, if this drafting process continues —without taking a step back, and without changing the focus— and then a consensus call comes, then I will formally oppose then, for the reasons that I have explained. In regard to the goal expressed in the statement "The other purpose in initiating this is to demonstrate to newer subscribers that there is a process in which people initiate drafting of statements before the IGC releases this to any forum. Even if the statement never reaches consensus, then at least we would have demonstrated the process." — Please feel absolutely free to initiate a demonstration of a good drafting process either by appropriately addressing not only the situation of Huang Qi's sentencing, but also the broader geopolitical context of the hypocritical accusation by the US which is also guilty of similar suppression of whistleblowers' online speech on grounds of "leaking state secrets", or by initiating a drafting process on any other topic in which IGC's ability to credibly focus on just one aspect of a larger problem has not been compromised. Or in the alternative we can of course continue the present process in a way that would address the concern which I'm raising. To do so would at the very least require a change of focus. Would you be in agreement with a statement which is not focused on Huang Qi's sentencing, but which uses the occasion of his sentencing to highlight the larger problem of states (including not only China, but also including the US) persecuting whistleblowers whose leaking of state secrets was motivated by a desire to expose and/or mitigate human rights violations? Greetings, Norbert On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 20:53:15 +0100 "\"Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro\"" (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > Most countries globally, China, US etc have varying degrees of human > rights violations all across the world. Western/Eastern Europe, South > America, Africa, Oceania are not exempt from this. > > We are in agreement to have different text and not to associate with > any government, this is not an anti China position. Those who know me > personally will know I love the Chinese and China as I love all other > nations. > > The focus here is Huang Qi, a digital activist who has been > imprisoned and historically in former imprisonment, he has been > denied medical treatment. If you look at the current revised text, > there are references for his current situation. > > So I would encourage everyone to suggest draft text. To make things > easier as opposed to scrolling through the thread, Imran has put the > current revised draft in the etherpad. > > Again, this is merely a draft and there is no current call for > consensus. That would happen once we are all relatively ok with the > draft. For now, I would encourage us to move swiftly and encourage > and suggest draft text. > > The other purpose in initiating this is to demonstrate to newer > subscribers that there is a process in which people initiate drafting > of statements before the IGC releases this to any forum. Even if the > statement never reaches consensus, then at least we would have > demonstrated the process. > > Going to fly to Heathrow from Los Angeles in several hours. > > Sala > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:46 pm Norbert Bollow, wrote: > > > I'm strongly in agreement with Ian where he has written: "It is > > totally inappropriate to use a US Government text, and then later > > suggest most of it be adopted as final copy, for a civil society > > statement." > > > > And in fact I think that if there is going to be an IGC statement > > right now, we must take another step back and not just redraft the > > statement, but consider what we want to achieve (which could be > > more than one goal, and it doesn't need to be the same goal for > > everyone, as long as those goals are broadly ok among IGC members), > > and then figure out how those goals can be credibly advanced. And > > only then start drafting one or more statements. > > > > Although the originally proposed statement expressed sentiments > > that in themselves I would have been quite willing to endorse, now > > we are at a point where any statement which we may issue is (both > > in actual fact and in the perception of anyone who gets informed > > about what has taken place on this publicly-archived mailing list) > > not only a reaction to China's deplorable action, but also a > > reaction to a US government statement. A US government statement > > which I would consider quite hypocritical in view of the US > > government's attempts to persecute whistleblowers who have revealed > > human rights violations committed by the US. Even the excuse used > > by the Chinese government ("leaking state secrets") is eerily > > similar to what Chelsea Manning (who lost her pension rights and > > was sentenced to 35 years in prison, then released early —on the > > basis of a presidential pardon— after a little under seven years of > > imprisonment), Julian Assange and Edward Snowden have been accused > > of by the US. > > > > The US government statement is not truly about insisting that the > > human right to free speech must be safeguarded for whistleblowers > > who publicly expose human rights violations. If that were now truly > > a US government view, then they would also publicly change their > > stance in relation to whistleblowers who expose human rights > > violations committed by the US. > > > > No, that US government statement is part of something else: A > > process of geopolitical struggle for soft power, which is part of a > > global geopolitical and economic power struggle that has been going > > on for a long time. > > > > Whether we like it or not, if we were to now issue a statement which > > criticizes China without also criticizing the US, then we would > > thereby not only take a side in that geopolitical struggle. We would > > do so in a way through which we would become complicit in the US > > government's hypocrisy. > > > > Greetings, > > Norbert > > > > > > > > On Sun, 04 Aug 2019 05:44:31 +0000 > > "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" wrote: > > > > > To be absolutely precise, Sala. > > > > > > I want to replace everything. It is totally inappropriate to use > > > a US Government text, and then later suggest most of it be > > > adopted as final copy, for a civil society statement. > > > > > > If someone wants to come up with a fresh statement that it not > > > plagiarising US government statements, I will be happy to look and > > > comment. But as regards this process and discussion, I am sorry, > > > but I cannot support this as a basis for a civil society > > > statement. > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > > To: "Ian Peter" > > > Cc: "farzaneh badii" > > > ; "David Allen" > > > ; "Marie Georges" > > > ; "Norbert Bollow" ; > > > "governance" Sent: 4/08/2019 > > > 3:24:18 PM Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan > > > Qi's sentencing > > > >Your suggested draft text was incorporated into the text and if > > > >you are still after further revisions, be precise in what > > > >specifically you want to replace. > > > > > > > >On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 5:05 am ian.peter at ianpeter.com, > > > > wrote: > > > >>Oh I am glad you noticed that Farzaneh - our credibility for > > > >>having independent inputs is ruined if we either deliberately or > > > >>accidentally adopt such statements which fully mimic any > > > >>government. > > > >> > > > >>Here is the wording of the US statement - more than just the > > > >>opening paragraph, whole sections of our proposed wording are > > > >>identical. WTF..... > > > >> > > > >>"The United States is deeply concerned by the sentencing of > > > >>online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been > > > >>honored multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his > > > >>courage in exposing corruption and human rights violations in > > > >>China through his website, 64 Tianwang. > > > >> > > > >>The imprisonment of Huang Qi underscores China’s continued > > > >>repression of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including > > > >>free speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its > > > >>international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and > > > >>the rule of law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. > > > >>Huang, and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and > > > >>legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end > > > >>undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and > > > >>those who assisted him." > > > >> > > > >>So I oppose repitition of any of these sentences or phrases. We > > > >>can echo the sentiments if we are in agreement with them, but > > > >>our statement must be our statement, not a copy of that of any > > > >>government.. > > > >> > > > >>Ian Peter > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>------ Original Message ------ > > > >>From: "farzaneh badii" > > > >>To: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com > > > >>Cc: "David Allen" ; "Marie > > > >>Georges" ; "Norbert Bollow" > > > >>; "governance" ; > > > >>"ian.peter at ianpeter.com" > > > >>Sent: 4/08/2019 12:14:43 PM > > > >>Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's > > > >>sentencing > > > >> > > > >>>The first paragraph is almost a copy paste of the US > > > >>>statement. We can't just work on a "draft" that someone else > > > >>>has issued already. This needs to be redrafted from scratch > > > >>>should we want to issue a statement. > > > >>> > > > >>>On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:33 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>>>Dear All, > > > >>>> > > > >>>>This revised draft captures some of Chaitanya and Ian's input > > > >>>>and suggested edits. Please review and comment. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Proposed Draft > > > >>>> > > > >>>>The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply > > > >>>>concerned by the sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 > > > >>>>years in prison. Huang has been honoured multiple times by > > > >>>>Reporters Without Borders for his courage in exposing > > > >>>>corruption and human rights violations in China through his > > > >>>>website, 64 Tianwang. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by > > > >>>> bringing to > > > >>>>the foreground these good governance issues including but not > > > >>>>limited to corruption & human rights. It is our view that > > > >>>>Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong contributor to > > > >>>>society. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international > > > >>>>commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of > > > >>>>law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to > > > >>>>allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal > > > >>>>counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end > > > >>>>undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family > > > >>>>and those who assisted him. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human > > > >>>>Rights Council this year. The Civil Society Internet > > > >>>>Governance Caucus calls on China to aspire to subscribe to > > > >>>>the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles which was > > > >>>>developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and > > > >>>>Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is > > > >>>>available on the OHCHR website. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>--- > > > >>>>To unsubscribe: > > > >>>>List help: > > > >>>-- > > > >>>Farzaneh > > > > --- > > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > From governance at lists.riseup.net Sun Aug 4 17:50:01 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Chaitanya Dhareshwar (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 03:20:01 +0530 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huang Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: <20190804225747.1cd69033@quill> References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> <20190804214600.52c6a0ec@quill> <20190804225747.1cd69033@quill> Message-ID: I agree that the statement we make should also address the global context. In the sense of saying that people who work for the good of mankind (social good through exposure of corruption/problems in an otherwise largely opaque system) should not be hounded. On the 'hypocrisy' front my view is that we should exercise restraint in saying this as an organisation. However the current focus of the statement in my view should include the present Huang Qi case both as a current action point and as a reference for future. Should we believe this will have any impact? - in my view we may be just one of the voices but should hope for resonance. Best, C On Mon 5 Aug, 2019, 02:28 Norbert Bollow, wrote: > Sala, > > Well, if this drafting process continues —without taking a step back, > and without changing the focus— and then a consensus call comes, then I > will formally oppose then, for the reasons that I have explained. > > In regard to the goal expressed in the statement "The other purpose in > initiating this is to demonstrate to newer subscribers that there is a > process in which people initiate drafting of statements before the IGC > releases this to any forum. Even if the statement never reaches > consensus, then at least we would have demonstrated the process." — > Please feel absolutely free to initiate a demonstration of a good > drafting process either by appropriately addressing not only the > situation of Huang Qi's sentencing, but also the broader geopolitical > context of the hypocritical accusation by the US which is also guilty > of similar suppression of whistleblowers' online speech on grounds of > "leaking state secrets", or by initiating a drafting process on any > other topic in which IGC's ability to credibly focus on just one aspect > of a larger problem has not been compromised. > > Or in the alternative we can of course continue the present process in > a way that would address the concern which I'm raising. To do so would > at the very least require a change of focus. > > Would you be in agreement with a statement which is not focused on > Huang Qi's sentencing, but which uses the occasion of his sentencing > to highlight the larger problem of states (including not only China, > but also including the US) persecuting whistleblowers whose leaking of > state secrets was motivated by a desire to expose and/or mitigate human > rights violations? > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 20:53:15 +0100 > "\"Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro\"" (via governance Mailing List) > wrote: > > > Most countries globally, China, US etc have varying degrees of human > > rights violations all across the world. Western/Eastern Europe, South > > America, Africa, Oceania are not exempt from this. > > > > We are in agreement to have different text and not to associate with > > any government, this is not an anti China position. Those who know me > > personally will know I love the Chinese and China as I love all other > > nations. > > > > The focus here is Huang Qi, a digital activist who has been > > imprisoned and historically in former imprisonment, he has been > > denied medical treatment. If you look at the current revised text, > > there are references for his current situation. > > > > So I would encourage everyone to suggest draft text. To make things > > easier as opposed to scrolling through the thread, Imran has put the > > current revised draft in the etherpad. > > > > Again, this is merely a draft and there is no current call for > > consensus. That would happen once we are all relatively ok with the > > draft. For now, I would encourage us to move swiftly and encourage > > and suggest draft text. > > > > The other purpose in initiating this is to demonstrate to newer > > subscribers that there is a process in which people initiate drafting > > of statements before the IGC releases this to any forum. Even if the > > statement never reaches consensus, then at least we would have > > demonstrated the process. > > > > Going to fly to Heathrow from Los Angeles in several hours. > > > > Sala > > > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:46 pm Norbert Bollow, wrote: > > > > > I'm strongly in agreement with Ian where he has written: "It is > > > totally inappropriate to use a US Government text, and then later > > > suggest most of it be adopted as final copy, for a civil society > > > statement." > > > > > > And in fact I think that if there is going to be an IGC statement > > > right now, we must take another step back and not just redraft the > > > statement, but consider what we want to achieve (which could be > > > more than one goal, and it doesn't need to be the same goal for > > > everyone, as long as those goals are broadly ok among IGC members), > > > and then figure out how those goals can be credibly advanced. And > > > only then start drafting one or more statements. > > > > > > Although the originally proposed statement expressed sentiments > > > that in themselves I would have been quite willing to endorse, now > > > we are at a point where any statement which we may issue is (both > > > in actual fact and in the perception of anyone who gets informed > > > about what has taken place on this publicly-archived mailing list) > > > not only a reaction to China's deplorable action, but also a > > > reaction to a US government statement. A US government statement > > > which I would consider quite hypocritical in view of the US > > > government's attempts to persecute whistleblowers who have revealed > > > human rights violations committed by the US. Even the excuse used > > > by the Chinese government ("leaking state secrets") is eerily > > > similar to what Chelsea Manning (who lost her pension rights and > > > was sentenced to 35 years in prison, then released early —on the > > > basis of a presidential pardon— after a little under seven years of > > > imprisonment), Julian Assange and Edward Snowden have been accused > > > of by the US. > > > > > > The US government statement is not truly about insisting that the > > > human right to free speech must be safeguarded for whistleblowers > > > who publicly expose human rights violations. If that were now truly > > > a US government view, then they would also publicly change their > > > stance in relation to whistleblowers who expose human rights > > > violations committed by the US. > > > > > > No, that US government statement is part of something else: A > > > process of geopolitical struggle for soft power, which is part of a > > > global geopolitical and economic power struggle that has been going > > > on for a long time. > > > > > > Whether we like it or not, if we were to now issue a statement which > > > criticizes China without also criticizing the US, then we would > > > thereby not only take a side in that geopolitical struggle. We would > > > do so in a way through which we would become complicit in the US > > > government's hypocrisy. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Norbert > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 04 Aug 2019 05:44:31 +0000 > > > "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" wrote: > > > > > > > To be absolutely precise, Sala. > > > > > > > > I want to replace everything. It is totally inappropriate to use > > > > a US Government text, and then later suggest most of it be > > > > adopted as final copy, for a civil society statement. > > > > > > > > If someone wants to come up with a fresh statement that it not > > > > plagiarising US government statements, I will be happy to look and > > > > comment. But as regards this process and discussion, I am sorry, > > > > but I cannot support this as a basis for a civil society > > > > statement. > > > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > > > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > > > To: "Ian Peter" > > > > Cc: "farzaneh badii" > > > > ; "David Allen" > > > > ; "Marie Georges" > > > > ; "Norbert Bollow" ; > > > > "governance" Sent: 4/08/2019 > > > > 3:24:18 PM Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan > > > > Qi's sentencing > > > > >Your suggested draft text was incorporated into the text and if > > > > >you are still after further revisions, be precise in what > > > > >specifically you want to replace. > > > > > > > > > >On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 5:05 am ian.peter at ianpeter.com, > > > > > wrote: > > > > >>Oh I am glad you noticed that Farzaneh - our credibility for > > > > >>having independent inputs is ruined if we either deliberately or > > > > >>accidentally adopt such statements which fully mimic any > > > > >>government. > > > > >> > > > > >>Here is the wording of the US statement - more than just the > > > > >>opening paragraph, whole sections of our proposed wording are > > > > >>identical. WTF..... > > > > >> > > > > >>"The United States is deeply concerned by the sentencing of > > > > >>online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been > > > > >>honored multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his > > > > >>courage in exposing corruption and human rights violations in > > > > >>China through his website, 64 Tianwang. > > > > >> > > > > >>The imprisonment of Huang Qi underscores China’s continued > > > > >>repression of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including > > > > >>free speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its > > > > >>international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and > > > > >>the rule of law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. > > > > >>Huang, and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and > > > > >>legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end > > > > >>undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and > > > > >>those who assisted him." > > > > >> > > > > >>So I oppose repitition of any of these sentences or phrases. We > > > > >>can echo the sentiments if we are in agreement with them, but > > > > >>our statement must be our statement, not a copy of that of any > > > > >>government.. > > > > >> > > > > >>Ian Peter > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>------ Original Message ------ > > > > >>From: "farzaneh badii" > > > > >>To: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com > > > > >>Cc: "David Allen" ; "Marie > > > > >>Georges" ; "Norbert Bollow" > > > > >>; "governance" ; > > > > >>"ian.peter at ianpeter.com" > > > > >>Sent: 4/08/2019 12:14:43 PM > > > > >>Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's > > > > >>sentencing > > > > >> > > > > >>>The first paragraph is almost a copy paste of the US > > > > >>>statement. We can't just work on a "draft" that someone else > > > > >>>has issued already. This needs to be redrafted from scratch > > > > >>>should we want to issue a statement. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:33 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>>>Dear All, > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>This revised draft captures some of Chaitanya and Ian's input > > > > >>>>and suggested edits. Please review and comment. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>Proposed Draft > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply > > > > >>>>concerned by the sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 > > > > >>>>years in prison. Huang has been honoured multiple times by > > > > >>>>Reporters Without Borders for his courage in exposing > > > > >>>>corruption and human rights violations in China through his > > > > >>>>website, 64 Tianwang. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by > > > > >>>> bringing to > > > > >>>>the foreground these good governance issues including but not > > > > >>>>limited to corruption & human rights. It is our view that > > > > >>>>Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong contributor to > > > > >>>>society. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international > > > > >>>>commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of > > > > >>>>law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to > > > > >>>>allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal > > > > >>>>counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end > > > > >>>>undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family > > > > >>>>and those who assisted him. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human > > > > >>>>Rights Council this year. The Civil Society Internet > > > > >>>>Governance Caucus calls on China to aspire to subscribe to > > > > >>>>the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles which was > > > > >>>>developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and > > > > >>>>Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is > > > > >>>>available on the OHCHR website. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>--- > > > > >>>>To unsubscribe: > > > > >>>>List help: > > > > >>>-- > > > > >>>Farzaneh > > > > > > --- > > > To unsubscribe: > > > List help: > > > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sun Aug 4 19:51:18 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 00:51:18 +0100 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huang Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: <20190804225747.1cd69033@quill> References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> <20190804214600.52c6a0ec@quill> <20190804225747.1cd69033@quill> Message-ID: Dear Norbert, My comments are inline: On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 9:58 pm Norbert Bollow, wrote: > Sala, > > Well, if this drafting process continues —without taking a step back, > and without changing the focus— and then a consensus call comes, then I > will formally oppose then, for the reasons that I have explained. > Thank you for your comments about changing the focus from just Huang Qi to addressing the US. As mentioned in my other emails, all countries are guilty of varying degrees of human rights violations, including but not limited to China, US, France, Australia, Belgium, Japan etc. I am not sure what benefit there is from turning the statement into a geopolitical war as it does nothing to serve our intention of highlighting Huan Qi's plight. Huan Qi has serious medical conditions and his family has been going through persecution, see the link to the article by the Committee Protecting Journalists. Huan Qi is civil society and a digital human rights activist and I would like to think that if what happened to him happened to any one of us, that less time would be spent turning it into a geopolitical issue to addressing the conduct and calling for his release. If anything, the DRAFT text in its current form highlights the Internet Rights and Principles which are published on the UN OHRCR website which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition of Human Rights within the IGF processes and many members are members of the IGC. It also points to China being on the Human Right Council this year and as such it should take leadership and lead by example. The etherpad also has a list of international instruments that China has signed and ratified. > > In regard to the goal expressed in the statement "The other purpose in > initiating this is to demonstrate to newer subscribers that there is a > process in which people initiate drafting of statements before the IGC > releases this to any forum. Even if the statement never reaches > consensus, then at least we would have demonstrated the process." — > Please feel absolutely free to initiate a demonstration of a good > drafting process either by appropriately addressing not only the > situation of Huang Qi's sentencing, but also the broader geopolitical > context of the hypocritical accusation by the US which is also guilty > of similar suppression of whistleblowers' online speech on grounds of > "leaking state secrets", or by initiating a drafting process on any > other topic in which IGC's ability to credibly focus on just one aspect > of a larger problem has not been compromised. > > If you are still adamant about a change of focus, I would recommend that > you draft an entire text to reflect your suggestion for a change of focus. > > Or in the alternative we can of course continue the present process in > a way that would address the concern which I'm raising. To do so would > at the very least require a change of focus. > > > Please initiate an entirely new draft text that in your mind reflects > this. My personal thoughts though is that the focus should be on Huan Qi > and not geo political focus. If we wish to draft a statement about > something else, there is nothing stopping anyone from initiating a draft > text. > Would you be in agreement with a statement which is not focused on > Huang Qi's sentencing, but which uses the occasion of his sentencing > to highlight the larger problem of states (including not only China, > but also including the US) persecuting whistleblowers whose leaking of > state secrets was motivated by a desire to expose and/or mitigate human > rights violations? > > Personally, I am concerned about Huan Qi's wellbeing as he has kidney > problems, tumours that demand medical attention and less on the China US. > If we opened up the geopolitical discussion if the community wishes, then > it is far more broader, consider Assange, Snowden recent journalist from > Venezuela whose detention was freed from the quick global activism that > took place on twitter etc and calls for the Human Rights Commissioners to > intervene. I don't see why we cannot do the same for Huan Qi. As a member > of the IGC, I am all for discussion, dialogue and debate. If we start the > geopolitical Discussion, you have China, and Hong Kong, Japan-Korea, US, > Belgium, France etc and it distracts and takes away from Huan Qi. So my > question is, whether the geopolitical needs to be factored in, if we are > focusing on Huang Qi. On a completely different tangent, if we were to > expand the focus to include the geopolitical aspects, how can we do it > without taking away the spotlight from Huan Qi. Again please feel free to > suggest and draft whole new texts. > Greetings, > Norbert > > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 20:53:15 +0100 > "\"Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro\"" (via governance Mailing List) > wrote: > > > Most countries globally, China, US etc have varying degrees of human > > rights violations all across the world. Western/Eastern Europe, South > > America, Africa, Oceania are not exempt from this. > > > > We are in agreement to have different text and not to associate with > > any government, this is not an anti China position. Those who know me > > personally will know I love the Chinese and China as I love all other > > nations. > > > > The focus here is Huang Qi, a digital activist who has been > > imprisoned and historically in former imprisonment, he has been > > denied medical treatment. If you look at the current revised text, > > there are references for his current situation. > > > > So I would encourage everyone to suggest draft text. To make things > > easier as opposed to scrolling through the thread, Imran has put the > > current revised draft in the etherpad. > > > > Again, this is merely a draft and there is no current call for > > consensus. That would happen once we are all relatively ok with the > > draft. For now, I would encourage us to move swiftly and encourage > > and suggest draft text. > > > > The other purpose in initiating this is to demonstrate to newer > > subscribers that there is a process in which people initiate drafting > > of statements before the IGC releases this to any forum. Even if the > > statement never reaches consensus, then at least we would have > > demonstrated the process. > > > > Going to fly to Heathrow from Los Angeles in several hours. > > > > Sala > > > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:46 pm Norbert Bollow, wrote: > > > > > I'm strongly in agreement with Ian where he has written: "It is > > > totally inappropriate to use a US Government text, and then later > > > suggest most of it be adopted as final copy, for a civil society > > > statement." > > > > > > And in fact I think that if there is going to be an IGC statement > > > right now, we must take another step back and not just redraft the > > > statement, but consider what we want to achieve (which could be > > > more than one goal, and it doesn't need to be the same goal for > > > everyone, as long as those goals are broadly ok among IGC members), > > > and then figure out how those goals can be credibly advanced. And > > > only then start drafting one or more statements. > > > > > > Although the originally proposed statement expressed sentiments > > > that in themselves I would have been quite willing to endorse, now > > > we are at a point where any statement which we may issue is (both > > > in actual fact and in the perception of anyone who gets informed > > > about what has taken place on this publicly-archived mailing list) > > > not only a reaction to China's deplorable action, but also a > > > reaction to a US government statement. A US government statement > > > which I would consider quite hypocritical in view of the US > > > government's attempts to persecute whistleblowers who have revealed > > > human rights violations committed by the US. Even the excuse used > > > by the Chinese government ("leaking state secrets") is eerily > > > similar to what Chelsea Manning (who lost her pension rights and > > > was sentenced to 35 years in prison, then released early —on the > > > basis of a presidential pardon— after a little under seven years of > > > imprisonment), Julian Assange and Edward Snowden have been accused > > > of by the US. > > > > > > The US government statement is not truly about insisting that the > > > human right to free speech must be safeguarded for whistleblowers > > > who publicly expose human rights violations. If that were now truly > > > a US government view, then they would also publicly change their > > > stance in relation to whistleblowers who expose human rights > > > violations committed by the US. > > > > > > No, that US government statement is part of something else: A > > > process of geopolitical struggle for soft power, which is part of a > > > global geopolitical and economic power struggle that has been going > > > on for a long time. > > > > > > Whether we like it or not, if we were to now issue a statement which > > > criticizes China without also criticizing the US, then we would > > > thereby not only take a side in that geopolitical struggle. We would > > > do so in a way through which we would become complicit in the US > > > government's hypocrisy. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Norbert > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 04 Aug 2019 05:44:31 +0000 > > > "ian.peter at ianpeter.com" wrote: > > > > > > > To be absolutely precise, Sala. > > > > > > > > I want to replace everything. It is totally inappropriate to use > > > > a US Government text, and then later suggest most of it be > > > > adopted as final copy, for a civil society statement. > > > > > > > > If someone wants to come up with a fresh statement that it not > > > > plagiarising US government statements, I will be happy to look and > > > > comment. But as regards this process and discussion, I am sorry, > > > > but I cannot support this as a basis for a civil society > > > > statement. > > > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > > > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > > > To: "Ian Peter" > > > > Cc: "farzaneh badii" > > > > ; "David Allen" > > > > ; "Marie Georges" > > > > ; "Norbert Bollow" ; > > > > "governance" Sent: 4/08/2019 > > > > 3:24:18 PM Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan > > > > Qi's sentencing > > > > >Your suggested draft text was incorporated into the text and if > > > > >you are still after further revisions, be precise in what > > > > >specifically you want to replace. > > > > > > > > > >On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 5:05 am ian.peter at ianpeter.com, > > > > > wrote: > > > > >>Oh I am glad you noticed that Farzaneh - our credibility for > > > > >>having independent inputs is ruined if we either deliberately or > > > > >>accidentally adopt such statements which fully mimic any > > > > >>government. > > > > >> > > > > >>Here is the wording of the US statement - more than just the > > > > >>opening paragraph, whole sections of our proposed wording are > > > > >>identical. WTF..... > > > > >> > > > > >>"The United States is deeply concerned by the sentencing of > > > > >>online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has been > > > > >>honored multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his > > > > >>courage in exposing corruption and human rights violations in > > > > >>China through his website, 64 Tianwang. > > > > >> > > > > >>The imprisonment of Huang Qi underscores China’s continued > > > > >>repression of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including > > > > >>free speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its > > > > >>international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and > > > > >>the rule of law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. > > > > >>Huang, and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and > > > > >>legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end > > > > >>undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and > > > > >>those who assisted him." > > > > >> > > > > >>So I oppose repitition of any of these sentences or phrases. We > > > > >>can echo the sentiments if we are in agreement with them, but > > > > >>our statement must be our statement, not a copy of that of any > > > > >>government.. > > > > >> > > > > >>Ian Peter > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>------ Original Message ------ > > > > >>From: "farzaneh badii" > > > > >>To: salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com > > > > >>Cc: "David Allen" ; "Marie > > > > >>Georges" ; "Norbert Bollow" > > > > >>; "governance" ; > > > > >>"ian.peter at ianpeter.com" > > > > >>Sent: 4/08/2019 12:14:43 PM > > > > >>Subject: Re: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's > > > > >>sentencing > > > > >> > > > > >>>The first paragraph is almost a copy paste of the US > > > > >>>statement. We can't just work on a "draft" that someone else > > > > >>>has issued already. This needs to be redrafted from scratch > > > > >>>should we want to issue a statement. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:33 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>>>Dear All, > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>This revised draft captures some of Chaitanya and Ian's input > > > > >>>>and suggested edits. Please review and comment. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>Proposed Draft > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply > > > > >>>>concerned by the sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 > > > > >>>>years in prison. Huang has been honoured multiple times by > > > > >>>>Reporters Without Borders for his courage in exposing > > > > >>>>corruption and human rights violations in China through his > > > > >>>>website, 64 Tianwang. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by > > > > >>>> bringing to > > > > >>>>the foreground these good governance issues including but not > > > > >>>>limited to corruption & human rights. It is our view that > > > > >>>>Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong contributor to > > > > >>>>society. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international > > > > >>>>commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of > > > > >>>>law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to > > > > >>>>allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal > > > > >>>>counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China to end > > > > >>>>undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family > > > > >>>>and those who assisted him. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human > > > > >>>>Rights Council this year. The Civil Society Internet > > > > >>>>Governance Caucus calls on China to aspire to subscribe to > > > > >>>>the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles which was > > > > >>>>developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and > > > > >>>>Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is > > > > >>>>available on the OHCHR website. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>--- > > > > >>>>To unsubscribe: > > > > >>>>List help: > > > > >>>-- > > > > >>>Farzaneh > > > > > > --- > > > To unsubscribe: > > > List help: > > > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sun Aug 4 20:49:16 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 01:49:16 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGC Submissions to UN Human Rights Council Feb 2020 Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, The recent discussions on the drafting of Huan Qi which caused some to raise the need to raise the geopolitical violations naturally within that statement, got me to thinking that perhaps we should consider drafting a separate submission for the UN Human Rights Council meeting scheduled to take place in February, 2020. Given that we are free to make submissions pertaining to those Human rights concerns related to the internet, it may be worthwhile considering making a general submission with a wider focus. This is inspired by Norbert's suggestion of expanding focus of the Huan Qi statement which I think we should keep separate but I defer to the wider community. The oral submissions would probably be a 3 to 5 min intervention from the floor. If this is something of interest, then we can work towards it. Sala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Aug 5 00:14:23 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 05:14:23 +0100 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: <825086698.810134.1564922064544@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> <825086698.810134.1564922064544@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is a revised draft following Norbert's comments. It is also on the etherpad via https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 There's free wifi on the plane so able to draft a revision. *Proposed Revised Draft 5th August, 2019.* (1) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is deeply concerned by global trends of governments to abuse the "national security" exception to trample on basic freedoms of expression particularly when these freedoms are fundamentally linked to good governance and keeping governments accountable. (2) From Venezuela's treatment of Luis Carlos Diaz and numerous other journalists, United States of America's treatment of Edward Snowden and Julian Assange, France's mistreatment of Taha Bouhafs, a reporter at French news website *Là-bas Si J'y Suis, *allegedly assaulted whilst filming a protest of undocumented workers and now the recent sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets when he was promoting accountability and transparency and good governance. (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on governments to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles within the Internet Governance Forum which is available on the OHCHR website. (4) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights Council this year. (5)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus would like to call on China to recognise Mr Huang Qi's motivations to encourage good governance where government officials do not abuse their roles. MrHuang Qi has been recognised for his stellar journalism by Reporters Without Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. (6) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human trafficking cases, over the years, the websitet has extended to reporting on persons exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. (7) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to corruption & human rights. (8) Mr Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong contributor society. (9)We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments. (10)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of keeping government accountable to the people. (11)We note that the Committee to protect Journalists had reported that at Mr Huang Qi's last imprisonment, he was denied medical treatment and has serious health issues, such as kidney problems and tumours and denied legal access. (12) It was also reported that he is being denied access to medical care and legal counsel. (13)We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. (14)We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those who assisted him. (15)Furthermore, we call on governments to recognise that their administration is for the people and not meant to be self serving at the expense of innocent lives. (16)The freedom of journalists, media freedoms, freedom of expression are necessary for a balanced society and to promote the rule of law. ENDS On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 1:34 pm Imran Ahmed Shah, wrote: Dear All (IGC Members), With reference to the following proposal on the subject, an EhterPad link is created for the joint collaboration and contribution efforts. Following draft has also been copied there for your. The IGC CS Statement is accessible through following URL Link: https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 This Etherpad is established on request form Sala, temporarily created on RiseUp.net Thanking you and Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah [for IGC WG for Website] P.S: If you do not wish to mention your name, basic information or contribution to be published, please use some abbreviation or alternate to your name, and declare on the mailing list explicitly, that you do not want to mention your basic information (Affiliation/ Organization, Email) anywhere. Please also note that this workspace (Etherpad) and Mailing List both are publicly accessible workspaces somehow. (Ref. IGC GDPR Compliance Policy Statement). WARNING: This "pad" is a collaborative document that can be edited by anyone who has the URL. If you use an obvious name for the pad, it could be guessed. WARNING: This pad will be DELETED if 60 days go by with no edits. There is NO WAY to recover the pad after this happens, so be careful! On Sunday, 4 August 2019, 12:40:41 GMT+5, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: Dear All, Further to the revised draft, I should add that he has advanced medical conditions that require treatment, see: https://cpj.org/2019/07/chinese-court-sentences-journalist-huang-qi-to-12-.php Sala On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:18 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: Dear All, Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any changes as this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the sentences for ease of reference and when commenting on replacements, refer to sentence number and suggest edits and revisions. *Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time]* Proposed Revised Draft (1)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets when he was promoting accountability and transparency and good governance. (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights Council this year. (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the OHCHR website. (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honoured by Reporters Without Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. (5) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human trafficking cases, over the years, it has extended to reporting on persons exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to corruption & human rights. (7) It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong contributor to society. (8) We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. (9)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of keeping government accountable to the people. (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. (11) We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and those who assisted him. ENDS --- To unsubscribe: List help: On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 1:34 pm Imran Ahmed Shah, wrote: > Dear All (IGC Members), > > With reference to the following proposal on the subject, an EhterPad link > is created for the joint collaboration and contribution efforts. Following > draft has also been copied there for your. The IGC CS Statement is > accessible through following URL Link: > > https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 > > This Etherpad is established on request form Sala, temporarily created on > RiseUp.net > > Thanking you and Best Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > [for IGC WG for Website] > > P.S: > If you do not wish to mention your name, basic information or contribution > to be published, please use some abbreviation or alternate to your name, > and declare on the mailing list explicitly, that you do not want to mention > your basic information (Affiliation/ Organization, Email) anywhere. Please > also note that this workspace (Etherpad) and Mailing List both are publicly > accessible workspaces somehow. (Ref. IGC GDPR Compliance Policy Statement). > > WARNING: This "pad" is a collaborative document that can be edited by > anyone who has the URL. If you use an obvious name for the pad, it could be > guessed. > WARNING: This pad will be DELETED if 60 days go by with no edits. There is > NO WAY to recover the pad after this happens, so be careful! > > > On Sunday, 4 August 2019, 12:40:41 GMT+5, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > Further to the revised draft, I should add that he has advanced medical > conditions that require treatment, see: > > > https://cpj.org/2019/07/chinese-court-sentences-journalist-huang-qi-to-12-.php > > Sala > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:18 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear All, > > Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any changes as > this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the sentences for ease > of reference and when commenting on replacements, refer to sentence number > and suggest edits and revisions. > > *Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time]* > > > Proposed Revised Draft > > (1)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the > sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to 12 > years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets when he was promoting > accountability and transparency and good governance. > > > (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights > Council this year. > > > (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to aspire > to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles which was > developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles within > the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the OHCHR website. > > > (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honoured by Reporters Without > Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. > > > (5) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human > trafficking cases, over the years, it has extended to reporting on persons > exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. > > > > (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to > the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to > corruption & human rights. > > > (7) It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong > contributor to society. > > > > (8) We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments > related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. > > > (9)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of > keeping government accountable to the people. > > > (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him > access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. > > > (11) We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of > movement of his family and those who assisted him. > > > > ENDS > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Mon Aug 5 00:46:45 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2019 04:46:45 +0000 Subject: [governance] IGC Submissions to UN Human Rights Council Feb 2020 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Sala, I like this as a way forward, and note that on the draft of the other proposed submission to Chinese government you have just included: (1) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is deeply concerned by global trends of governments to abuse the "national security" exception to trample on basic freedoms of expression particularly when these freedoms are fundamentally linked to good governance and keeping governments accountable. (2) From Venezuela's treatment of Luis Carlos Diaz and numerous other journalists, United States of America's treatment of Edward Snowden and Julian Assange, France's mistreatment of Taha Bouhafs, a reporter at French news website Là-bas Si J'y Suis, allegedly assaulted whilst filming a protest of undocumented workers and now the recent sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets when he was promoting accountability and transparency and good governance. This is I think the beginnings of a good submission. To finalise it: 1. I think we need a comprehensive list of all the journalists and activists in all countries who have been imprisoned or punished for using the Internet to express basic freedom of expression issues which should be a basic human right, not a grounds for imprisonment. There are quite a few more names we can add, and I am sure people on this list can make suggestions. 2. We need to forcefully express the human rights obligations of governments to not use excuses such as national security to undermine basic freedom of expression. I know there are people here who can express this better than I can, but a strong statement in support of basic human rights for on line activists - with a comprehensive list of individuals and countries who have denied them these rights - would be a great thing to do, and I would be happy to work with others on such a statement. I suggest we drop the Huan Qi draft right now, and instead work on a more comprehensive and inclusive statement as outlined and also suggested by Norbert. Ian ------ Original Message ------ From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "governance" Sent: 5/08/2019 10:49:16 AM Subject: [governance] IGC Submissions to UN Human Rights Council Feb 2020 >Dear Colleagues, > >The recent discussions on the drafting of Huan Qi which caused some to >raise the need to raise the geopolitical violations naturally within >that statement, got me to thinking that perhaps we should consider >drafting a separate submission for the UN Human Rights Council meeting >scheduled to take place in February, 2020. > >Given that we are free to make submissions pertaining to those Human >rights concerns related to the internet, it may be worthwhile >considering making a general submission with a wider focus. This is >inspired by Norbert's suggestion of expanding focus of the Huan Qi >statement which I think we should keep separate but I defer to the >wider community. The oral submissions would probably be a 3 to 5 min >intervention from the floor. > >If this is something of interest, then we can work towards it. > >Sala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Aug 5 00:42:10 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 05:42:10 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGC Submissions to UN Human Rights Council Feb 2020 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I hear you Ian but the reason I initiated the draft was specifically for Huan Qi and have included. If a general statement is to be drafted, there is nothing stopping 2 statements but wanted to highlight Huang Qi's case. On Mon, 5 Aug 2019, 5:47 am ian.peter at ianpeter.com, wrote: > Hi Sala, > > I like this as a way forward, and note that on the draft of the other > proposed submission to Chinese government you have just included: > > (1) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is deeply concerned > by global trends of governments to abuse the "national security" exception > to trample on basic freedoms of expression particularly when these freedoms > are fundamentally linked to good governance and keeping governments > accountable. > > (2) From Venezuela's treatment of Luis Carlos Diaz and numerous other > journalists, United States of America's treatment of Edward Snowden and > Julian Assange, France's mistreatment of Taha Bouhafs, a reporter at French > news website *Là-bas Si J'y Suis, *allegedly assaulted whilst filming a > protest of undocumented workers and now the recent sentencing of Chinese > webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison for > allegedly leaking state secrets when he was promoting accountability and > transparency and good governance. > > This is I think the beginnings of a good submission. To finalise it: > > 1. I think we need a comprehensive list of all the journalists and > activists in all countries who have been imprisoned or punished for using > the Internet to express basic freedom of expression issues which should be > a basic human right, not a grounds for imprisonment. There are quite a few > more names we can add, and I am sure people on this list can make > suggestions. > > 2. We need to forcefully express the human rights obligations of > governments to not use excuses such as national security to undermine basic > freedom of expression. I know there are people here who can express this > better than I can, but a strong statement in support of basic human rights > for on line activists - with a comprehensive list of individuals and > countries who have denied them these rights - would be a great thing to do, > and I would be happy to work with others on such a statement. > > I suggest we drop the Huan Qi draft right now, and instead work on a more > comprehensive and inclusive statement as outlined and also suggested by > Norbert. > > Ian > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > To: "governance" > Sent: 5/08/2019 10:49:16 AM > Subject: [governance] IGC Submissions to UN Human Rights Council Feb 2020 > > Dear Colleagues, > > The recent discussions on the drafting of Huan Qi which caused some to > raise the need to raise the geopolitical violations naturally within that > statement, got me to thinking that perhaps we should consider drafting a > separate submission for the UN Human Rights Council meeting scheduled to > take place in February, 2020. > > Given that we are free to make submissions pertaining to those Human > rights concerns related to the internet, it may be worthwhile considering > making a general submission with a wider focus. This is inspired by > Norbert's suggestion of expanding focus of the Huan Qi statement which I > think we should keep separate but I defer to the wider community. The oral > submissions would probably be a 3 to 5 min intervention from the floor. > > If this is something of interest, then we can work towards it. > > Sala > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anriette at apc.org Thu Aug 1 14:50:19 2019 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 20:50:19 +0200 Subject: [governance] IGF BPF Gender: A short survey to help refine the work programme In-Reply-To: <8bdcb64e-db99-c3a1-a252-6698ebbb1625@gmail.com> References: <8bdcb64e-db99-c3a1-a252-6698ebbb1625@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear colleagues, *Gender and Access Best Practice Forum: A short survey to help refine the work programme for 2019, July 2019* https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/gender-bpf-gender-and-access-best-practice-forum-a-short-survey-to-help-refine-the-work The Internet Governance Forum's Best Practice Forum on Gender and Access need your assistance. Since its launch in 2015, the Best Practice Forum (BPF) on Gender and Access has focused on different aspects of women’s meaningful access to the Internet: online abuse and gender-based violence (2015); barriers to accessing the Internet (2016); identification of the needs and challenges of diverse women’s groups with respect to Internet access (2017); and the impact of supplementary models of connectivity on women’s Internet access (2018). The BPF session at the 2018 IGF emphasised the need to consider what happens once women and LGBTIQ people have some form of access to the internet? Does it mean they are automatically able to benefit from this access and that they are able to  participate in the digital economy in ways that improves their lives? In this context, in response to input from people and organisations who have been part of this BPF, it was decided that the focus of work in 2019 will be on "after access" concerns, in particular the opportunities and challenges faced by women and LGBTIQ people who want to participate meaningfully in the digital economy. To help us move to the next phase of our work we would really value your response to a short online survey by 5 August. The survey is at https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/gender-bpf-gender-and-access-best-practice-forum-a-short-survey-to-help-refine-the-work Let us know if you have any questions. You can join the Gender and Access Best Practice forum mailing list at https://intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_gender_intgovforum.org Thank you for your interest. Gender and Access Best Practice Forum coordinators -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Aug 5 00:43:18 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 05:43:18 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGC Submissions to UN Human Rights Council Feb 2020 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pressed send by mistake. Edited comments. On Mon, 5 Aug 2019, 5:42 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > I hear you Ian but the reason I initiated the draft was specifically for > Huan Qi and have included the different views. > > If a general statement is to be drafted, there is nothing stopping 2 > statements but wanted to highlight Huang Qi's case. > > On Mon, 5 Aug 2019, 5:47 am ian.peter at ianpeter.com, < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > >> Hi Sala, >> >> I like this as a way forward, and note that on the draft of the other >> proposed submission to Chinese government you have just included: >> >> (1) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is deeply >> concerned by global trends of governments to abuse the "national security" >> exception to trample on basic freedoms of expression particularly when >> these freedoms are fundamentally linked to good governance and keeping >> governments accountable. >> >> (2) From Venezuela's treatment of Luis Carlos Diaz and numerous other >> journalists, United States of America's treatment of Edward Snowden and >> Julian Assange, France's mistreatment of Taha Bouhafs, a reporter at French >> news website *Là-bas Si J'y Suis, *allegedly assaulted whilst filming a >> protest of undocumented workers and now the recent sentencing of Chinese >> webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison for >> allegedly leaking state secrets when he was promoting accountability and >> transparency and good governance. >> >> This is I think the beginnings of a good submission. To finalise it: >> >> 1. I think we need a comprehensive list of all the journalists and >> activists in all countries who have been imprisoned or punished for using >> the Internet to express basic freedom of expression issues which should be >> a basic human right, not a grounds for imprisonment. There are quite a few >> more names we can add, and I am sure people on this list can make >> suggestions. >> >> 2. We need to forcefully express the human rights obligations of >> governments to not use excuses such as national security to undermine basic >> freedom of expression. I know there are people here who can express this >> better than I can, but a strong statement in support of basic human rights >> for on line activists - with a comprehensive list of individuals and >> countries who have denied them these rights - would be a great thing to do, >> and I would be happy to work with others on such a statement. >> >> I suggest we drop the Huan Qi draft right now, and instead work on a more >> comprehensive and inclusive statement as outlined and also suggested by >> Norbert. >> >> Ian >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> To: "governance" >> Sent: 5/08/2019 10:49:16 AM >> Subject: [governance] IGC Submissions to UN Human Rights Council Feb 2020 >> >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> The recent discussions on the drafting of Huan Qi which caused some to >> raise the need to raise the geopolitical violations naturally within that >> statement, got me to thinking that perhaps we should consider drafting a >> separate submission for the UN Human Rights Council meeting scheduled to >> take place in February, 2020. >> >> Given that we are free to make submissions pertaining to those Human >> rights concerns related to the internet, it may be worthwhile considering >> making a general submission with a wider focus. This is inspired by >> Norbert's suggestion of expanding focus of the Huan Qi statement which I >> think we should keep separate but I defer to the wider community. The oral >> submissions would probably be a 3 to 5 min intervention from the floor. >> >> If this is something of interest, then we can work towards it. >> >> Sala >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nb at bollow.ch Mon Aug 5 04:30:45 2019 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 10:30:45 +0200 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huang Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: References: <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> <825086698.810134.1564922064544@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20190805103045.1ef97e14@quill> Sala, Thanks a lot for this new draft. Indeed this new approach is acceptable to me. Greetings, Norbert On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 05:14:23 +0100 "\"Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro\"" (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > This is a revised draft following Norbert's comments. It is also on > the etherpad via > https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 > > There's free wifi on the plane so able to draft a revision. > > *Proposed Revised Draft 5th August, 2019.* > > (1) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is deeply > concerned by global trends of governments to abuse the "national > security" exception to trample on basic freedoms of expression > particularly when these freedoms are fundamentally linked to good > governance and keeping governments accountable. > > (2) From Venezuela's treatment of Luis Carlos Diaz and numerous other > journalists, United States of America's treatment of Edward Snowden > and Julian Assange, France's mistreatment of Taha Bouhafs, a reporter > at French news website *Là-bas Si J'y Suis, *allegedly assaulted > whilst filming a protest of undocumented workers and now the recent > sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to > 12 years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets when he was > promoting accountability and transparency and good governance. > > (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on governments > to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and > Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet > Rights and Principles within the Internet Governance Forum which is > available on the OHCHR website. > > (4) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights > Council this year. > > (5)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus would like to call on > China to recognise Mr Huang Qi's motivations to encourage good > governance where government officials do not abuse their roles. > MrHuang Qi has been recognised for his stellar journalism by > Reporters Without Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. > > (6) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human > trafficking cases, over the years, the websitet has extended to > reporting on persons exploited by government officials and promoting > good governance. > > (7) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by > bringing to the foreground these good governance issues including but > not limited to corruption & human rights. > > (8) Mr Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong contributor society. > > (9)We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international > commitments. > > (10)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of > keeping government accountable to the people. > > (11)We note that the Committee to protect Journalists had reported > that at Mr Huang Qi's last imprisonment, he was denied medical > treatment and has serious health issues, such as kidney problems and > tumours and denied legal access. > > (12) It was also reported that he is being denied access to medical > care and legal counsel. > > (13)We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him > access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as > possible. > > (14)We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of > movement of his family and those who assisted him. > > (15)Furthermore, we call on governments to recognise that their > administration is for the people and not meant to be self serving at > the expense of innocent lives. > > (16)The freedom of journalists, media freedoms, freedom of expression > are necessary for a balanced society and to promote the rule of law. > > ENDS > > > > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 1:34 pm Imran Ahmed Shah, > wrote: > > Dear All (IGC Members), > > With reference to the following proposal on the subject, an EhterPad > link is created for the joint collaboration and contribution efforts. > Following draft has also been copied there for your. The IGC CS > Statement is accessible through following URL Link: > > https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 > > This Etherpad is established on request form Sala, temporarily > created on RiseUp.net > > Thanking you and Best Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > [for IGC WG for Website] > > P.S: > If you do not wish to mention your name, basic information or > contribution to be published, please use some abbreviation or > alternate to your name, and declare on the mailing list explicitly, > that you do not want to mention your basic information (Affiliation/ > Organization, Email) anywhere. Please also note that this workspace > (Etherpad) and Mailing List both are publicly accessible workspaces > somehow. (Ref. IGC GDPR Compliance Policy Statement). > > WARNING: This "pad" is a collaborative document that can be edited by > anyone who has the URL. If you use an obvious name for the pad, it > could be guessed. > WARNING: This pad will be DELETED if 60 days go by with no edits. > There is NO WAY to recover the pad after this happens, so be careful! > > > On Sunday, 4 August 2019, 12:40:41 GMT+5, Salanieta T. > Tamanikaiwaimaro < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > Further to the revised draft, I should add that he has advanced > medical conditions that require treatment, see: > > https://cpj.org/2019/07/chinese-court-sentences-journalist-huang-qi-to-12-.php > > Sala > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:18 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear All, > > Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any changes > as this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the sentences > for ease of reference and when commenting on replacements, refer to > sentence number and suggest edits and revisions. > > *Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time]* > > > Proposed Revised Draft > > (1)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned > by the sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist > Huang Qi to 12 years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets > when he was promoting accountability and transparency and good > governance. > > > (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights > Council this year. > > > (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to > aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and > Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet > Rights and Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is > available on the OHCHR website. > > > (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honoured by Reporters > Without Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. > > > (5) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human > trafficking cases, over the years, it has extended to reporting on > persons exploited by government officials and promoting good > governance. > > > > (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by > bringing to the foreground these good governance issues including but > not limited to corruption & human rights. > > > (7) It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong > contributor to society. > > > > (8) We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international > commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. > > > (9)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of > keeping government accountable to the people. > > > (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him > access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as > possible. > > > (11) We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of > movement of his family and those who assisted him. > > > > ENDS > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 1:34 pm Imran Ahmed Shah, > wrote: > > > Dear All (IGC Members), > > > > With reference to the following proposal on the subject, an > > EhterPad link is created for the joint collaboration and > > contribution efforts. Following draft has also been copied there > > for your. The IGC CS Statement is accessible through following URL > > Link: > > > > https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 > > > > This Etherpad is established on request form Sala, temporarily > > created on RiseUp.net > > > > Thanking you and Best Regards > > > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > > > [for IGC WG for Website] > > > > P.S: > > If you do not wish to mention your name, basic information or > > contribution to be published, please use some abbreviation or > > alternate to your name, and declare on the mailing list explicitly, > > that you do not want to mention your basic information > > (Affiliation/ Organization, Email) anywhere. Please also note that > > this workspace (Etherpad) and Mailing List both are publicly > > accessible workspaces somehow. (Ref. IGC GDPR Compliance Policy > > Statement). > > > > WARNING: This "pad" is a collaborative document that can be edited > > by anyone who has the URL. If you use an obvious name for the pad, > > it could be guessed. > > WARNING: This pad will be DELETED if 60 days go by with no edits. > > There is NO WAY to recover the pad after this happens, so be > > careful! > > > > > > On Sunday, 4 August 2019, 12:40:41 GMT+5, Salanieta T. > > Tamanikaiwaimaro < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Further to the revised draft, I should add that he has advanced > > medical conditions that require treatment, see: > > > > > > https://cpj.org/2019/07/chinese-court-sentences-journalist-huang-qi-to-12-.php > > > > Sala > > > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:18 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < > > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any > > changes as this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the > > sentences for ease of reference and when commenting on > > replacements, refer to sentence number and suggest edits and > > revisions. > > > > *Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time]* > > > > > > Proposed Revised Draft > > > > (1)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned > > by the sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist > > Huang Qi to 12 years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets > > when he was promoting accountability and transparency and good > > governance. > > > > > > (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human > > Rights Council this year. > > > > > > (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to > > aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and > > Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet > > Rights and Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is > > available on the OHCHR website. > > > > > > (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honoured by Reporters > > Without Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. > > > > > > (5) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human > > trafficking cases, over the years, it has extended to reporting on > > persons exploited by government officials and promoting good > > governance. > > > > > > > > (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by > > bringing to the foreground these good governance issues including > > but not limited to corruption & human rights. > > > > > > (7) It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong > > contributor to society. > > > > > > > > (8) We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international > > commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. > > > > > > (9)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of > > keeping government accountable to the people. > > > > > > (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow > > him access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon > > as possible. > > > > > > (11) We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom > > of movement of his family and those who assisted him. > > > > > > > > ENDS > > > > > > --- > > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Aug 5 05:02:43 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 10:02:43 +0100 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huang Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: <20190805103045.1ef97e14@quill> References: <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> <825086698.810134.1564922064544@mail.yahoo.com> <20190805103045.1ef97e14@quill> Message-ID: Landing in 1 hour, will replace the text on the etherpad when I get home. Sala P.S gotta love Air NZ for their free airplane wifi. On Mon, 5 Aug 2019, 9:31 am Norbert Bollow, wrote: > Sala, > > Thanks a lot for this new draft. Indeed this new approach is acceptable > to me. > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 05:14:23 +0100 > "\"Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro\"" (via governance Mailing List) > wrote: > > > This is a revised draft following Norbert's comments. It is also on > > the etherpad via > > https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 > > > > There's free wifi on the plane so able to draft a revision. > > > > *Proposed Revised Draft 5th August, 2019.* > > > > (1) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is deeply > > concerned by global trends of governments to abuse the "national > > security" exception to trample on basic freedoms of expression > > particularly when these freedoms are fundamentally linked to good > > governance and keeping governments accountable. > > > > (2) From Venezuela's treatment of Luis Carlos Diaz and numerous other > > journalists, United States of America's treatment of Edward Snowden > > and Julian Assange, France's mistreatment of Taha Bouhafs, a reporter > > at French news website *Là-bas Si J'y Suis, *allegedly assaulted > > whilst filming a protest of undocumented workers and now the recent > > sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to > > 12 years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets when he was > > promoting accountability and transparency and good governance. > > > > (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on governments > > to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and > > Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet > > Rights and Principles within the Internet Governance Forum which is > > available on the OHCHR website. > > > > (4) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights > > Council this year. > > > > (5)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus would like to call on > > China to recognise Mr Huang Qi's motivations to encourage good > > governance where government officials do not abuse their roles. > > MrHuang Qi has been recognised for his stellar journalism by > > Reporters Without Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. > > > > (6) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human > > trafficking cases, over the years, the websitet has extended to > > reporting on persons exploited by government officials and promoting > > good governance. > > > > (7) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by > > bringing to the foreground these good governance issues including but > > not limited to corruption & human rights. > > > > (8) Mr Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong contributor society. > > > > (9)We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international > > commitments. > > > > (10)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of > > keeping government accountable to the people. > > > > (11)We note that the Committee to protect Journalists had reported > > that at Mr Huang Qi's last imprisonment, he was denied medical > > treatment and has serious health issues, such as kidney problems and > > tumours and denied legal access. > > > > (12) It was also reported that he is being denied access to medical > > care and legal counsel. > > > > (13)We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him > > access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as > > possible. > > > > (14)We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of > > movement of his family and those who assisted him. > > > > (15)Furthermore, we call on governments to recognise that their > > administration is for the people and not meant to be self serving at > > the expense of innocent lives. > > > > (16)The freedom of journalists, media freedoms, freedom of expression > > are necessary for a balanced society and to promote the rule of law. > > > > ENDS > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 1:34 pm Imran Ahmed Shah, > > wrote: > > > > Dear All (IGC Members), > > > > With reference to the following proposal on the subject, an EhterPad > > link is created for the joint collaboration and contribution efforts. > > Following draft has also been copied there for your. The IGC CS > > Statement is accessible through following URL Link: > > > > https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 > > > > This Etherpad is established on request form Sala, temporarily > > created on RiseUp.net > > > > Thanking you and Best Regards > > > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > > > [for IGC WG for Website] > > > > P.S: > > If you do not wish to mention your name, basic information or > > contribution to be published, please use some abbreviation or > > alternate to your name, and declare on the mailing list explicitly, > > that you do not want to mention your basic information (Affiliation/ > > Organization, Email) anywhere. Please also note that this workspace > > (Etherpad) and Mailing List both are publicly accessible workspaces > > somehow. (Ref. IGC GDPR Compliance Policy Statement). > > > > WARNING: This "pad" is a collaborative document that can be edited by > > anyone who has the URL. If you use an obvious name for the pad, it > > could be guessed. > > WARNING: This pad will be DELETED if 60 days go by with no edits. > > There is NO WAY to recover the pad after this happens, so be careful! > > > > > > On Sunday, 4 August 2019, 12:40:41 GMT+5, Salanieta T. > > Tamanikaiwaimaro < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Further to the revised draft, I should add that he has advanced > > medical conditions that require treatment, see: > > > > > https://cpj.org/2019/07/chinese-court-sentences-journalist-huang-qi-to-12-.php > > > > Sala > > > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:18 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < > > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any changes > > as this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the sentences > > for ease of reference and when commenting on replacements, refer to > > sentence number and suggest edits and revisions. > > > > *Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time]* > > > > > > Proposed Revised Draft > > > > (1)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned > > by the sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist > > Huang Qi to 12 years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets > > when he was promoting accountability and transparency and good > > governance. > > > > > > (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights > > Council this year. > > > > > > (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to > > aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and > > Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet > > Rights and Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is > > available on the OHCHR website. > > > > > > (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honoured by Reporters > > Without Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. > > > > > > (5) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human > > trafficking cases, over the years, it has extended to reporting on > > persons exploited by government officials and promoting good > > governance. > > > > > > > > (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by > > bringing to the foreground these good governance issues including but > > not limited to corruption & human rights. > > > > > > (7) It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong > > contributor to society. > > > > > > > > (8) We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international > > commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. > > > > > > (9)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of > > keeping government accountable to the people. > > > > > > (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him > > access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as > > possible. > > > > > > (11) We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of > > movement of his family and those who assisted him. > > > > > > > > ENDS > > > > > > --- > > To unsubscribe: > > List help: > > > > > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 1:34 pm Imran Ahmed Shah, > > wrote: > > > > > Dear All (IGC Members), > > > > > > With reference to the following proposal on the subject, an > > > EhterPad link is created for the joint collaboration and > > > contribution efforts. Following draft has also been copied there > > > for your. The IGC CS Statement is accessible through following URL > > > Link: > > > > > > https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 > > > > > > This Etherpad is established on request form Sala, temporarily > > > created on RiseUp.net > > > > > > Thanking you and Best Regards > > > > > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > > > > > [for IGC WG for Website] > > > > > > P.S: > > > If you do not wish to mention your name, basic information or > > > contribution to be published, please use some abbreviation or > > > alternate to your name, and declare on the mailing list explicitly, > > > that you do not want to mention your basic information > > > (Affiliation/ Organization, Email) anywhere. Please also note that > > > this workspace (Etherpad) and Mailing List both are publicly > > > accessible workspaces somehow. (Ref. IGC GDPR Compliance Policy > > > Statement). > > > > > > WARNING: This "pad" is a collaborative document that can be edited > > > by anyone who has the URL. If you use an obvious name for the pad, > > > it could be guessed. > > > WARNING: This pad will be DELETED if 60 days go by with no edits. > > > There is NO WAY to recover the pad after this happens, so be > > > careful! > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, 4 August 2019, 12:40:41 GMT+5, Salanieta T. > > > Tamanikaiwaimaro < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Further to the revised draft, I should add that he has advanced > > > medical conditions that require treatment, see: > > > > > > > > > > https://cpj.org/2019/07/chinese-court-sentences-journalist-huang-qi-to-12-.php > > > > > > Sala > > > > > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:18 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < > > > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any > > > changes as this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the > > > sentences for ease of reference and when commenting on > > > replacements, refer to sentence number and suggest edits and > > > revisions. > > > > > > *Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time]* > > > > > > > > > Proposed Revised Draft > > > > > > (1)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned > > > by the sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist > > > Huang Qi to 12 years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets > > > when he was promoting accountability and transparency and good > > > governance. > > > > > > > > > (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human > > > Rights Council this year. > > > > > > > > > (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to > > > aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and > > > Principles which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet > > > Rights and Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is > > > available on the OHCHR website. > > > > > > > > > (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honoured by Reporters > > > Without Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. > > > > > > > > > (5) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human > > > trafficking cases, over the years, it has extended to reporting on > > > persons exploited by government officials and promoting good > > > governance. > > > > > > > > > > > > (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by > > > bringing to the foreground these good governance issues including > > > but not limited to corruption & human rights. > > > > > > > > > (7) It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong > > > contributor to society. > > > > > > > > > > > > (8) We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international > > > commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. > > > > > > > > > (9)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of > > > keeping government accountable to the people. > > > > > > > > > (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow > > > him access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon > > > as possible. > > > > > > > > > (11) We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom > > > of movement of his family and those who assisted him. > > > > > > > > > > > > ENDS > > > > > > > > > --- > > > To unsubscribe: > > > List help: > > > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheetal at gp-digital.org Mon Aug 5 07:51:16 2019 From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 12:51:16 +0100 Subject: [governance] The proposal for closing Bestbits and merging with IGC + next steps (was "Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps") In-Reply-To: References: <9fd097236d0c42d5a6a54f768bd0b2d8@adcu.columbia.edu> <1a7c0747-9727-6ed7-0197-38ec56f79c7f@apc.org> Message-ID: Dear all, This is just a polite reminder that we'll be having our call tomorrow, 06 August at 2 PM UTC. Please find the details below, I look forward to speaking to you then! Best Sheetal *Date and time:* 06 August, 2 PM UTC To join the call online, please click the green "join" button below and follow the on-screen prompts. To connect to audio, please click the "call using computer" button on the left hand side of the webex window. Bestbits closure and revived IGC: Next steps *6 Aug, 15:00* | 1 hr 30 min London (Western European Summer Time, GMT+01:00) Host: Global Partners Digital Join *Agenda:* 1) Closure of Bestbits: agreement on date and process 2) Moving to IGC: what is the current status? What is happening/what to expect? 3) Organisation of civil society day 0 event: discussion of timeline 4) AOB On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 at 00:55, Remmy Nweke wrote: > Thanks Sheetal and all > As much as I agree with bulk of the outlined summarised by you, there is > need for IGC charter review and left for me to accommodate and harmonise > thoughts on the new dispensation and could actually be a major task for new > coordinators once after their election > I wish us well in this efforts. > Regards > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 12:11 PM Sheetal Kumar > wrote: > >> Dear all >> >> Apologies for the delay in responding - I've been away for a week and I >> trust you received my OOO. Reading through the comments, it seems to me >> there is more or less agreement on some things but less on others. In >> essence: >> >> - There seems to be agreement that reviving IGC is a good thing >> because there's a lot of work to be done by CS on important IG issues on >> the global agenda/at global forums >> - There's some agreement that merging BB with IGC would be a good way >> forward to accomplish that but concern that the appropriate process hasn't >> been followed within IGC, albeit there is disagreement about what that >> process would/could be >> - There's agreement that all documents, from both lists, should be >> preserved and centralised for easy access by all members >> - There support for organising a day 0 event at the IGF in Berlin >> - There's less agreement that there's a need to review the IGC >> Charter >> >> Hopefully this captures the conversation so far? >> >> I've also read the responses on the thread which includes Bestbits and >> although there are only a few responses there, combined with the views of >> those who attended the meeting at RightsCon, I think we can say that there >> is general support from the Bestbits list members for merging so far. >> >> As such, I'd suggest the following as a way forward, interested to hear >> what others think if you don't agree: >> >> - If there isn't agreement on the diagnosis of the problem, we can >> start the discussion anew. It's important we all agree on the premise we're >> working on, otherwise we'll move forward leaving people behind and just >> recreate the current situation again. Currently the diagnosis of those >> engaged, and the basis of those who attended the meeting at RightsCon, is >> that civil society working on IG issues is split/fragmented and therefore >> less effective than it could be. If anyone disagrees with this diagnosis, I >> think they should express this on the thread with Bestbits included >> - If anyone is against the merger as a way of addressing this issue >> (i.e split/fragmentation as a key factor which explains our >> ineffectiveness) I think this should be expressed on the Bestbits thread >> too - mainly because of the general support for the idea of merging among >> members of both lists, and the main concern currently expressed about the >> merger being about process. Otherwise, the conversations will continue to >> be split and the current situation will be perpetuated. >> - If anyone is against the idea of reforming the Charter *in >> principle* they make that clear in the thread with Bestbits too - as >> there maybe Bestbits members who have opinions on that as well. This is >> just a conversation so if there is strong disagreement about reforming the >> Charter among anyone in either list, we could potentially agree not to >> reform it and revisit the idea in a year, for example. >> >> Unless there's disagreement, I'll send a reminder to the thread which >> includes Bestbits at the end of this week, and hopefully we can weave >> ourselves back together there? >> >> Best >> Sheetal >> >> On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 at 22:45, Anriette Esterhuysen >> wrote: >> >>> Agree completely with you on this Milton. And as Farzi pointed out, of >>> course we should preserve the documents on the Best Bits site, and the list >>> archives. >>> >>> By the way, if anyone wants the archives of the IGC lists I have pretty >>> complete records for 2009-2016. Probably earlier too but on a back-up drive >>> somewhere. I also think that the list archive of the list when it was still >>> hosted by APC is still available somewhere too. >>> >>> Anriette >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------- >>> Anriette Esterhuysen >>> Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning >>> Association for Progressive Communicationsapc.orgafrisig.organriette at apc.org >>> >>> On 2019/06/17 23:08, Mueller, Milton L wrote: >>> >>> Really good point, Sheetal. >>> >>> But it is actually a substantive one. You have pointed out that there >>> are divergent perceptions of the discussion, and this is happening because >>> the lists are not integrated. >>> >>> >>> >>> So how can anyone seriously suggest that we do not need to merge these >>> lists? How can anyone truly concerned with civil society influence favor >>> maintaining this stupid barrier between the groups involved? >>> >>> >>> >>> --MM >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> >>> >>> Without wanting to weigh in on the substantive discussion being had >>> here, I was just wondering if it was a purposeful decision to drop Bestbits >>> in some of these replies. It seems there are two divergent perceptions of >>> the discussion happening. Happy for IGC to have its discussion but at some >>> point, those on Bestbits who are not on IGC will need to be updated as I >>> believe there are some Bestbits members who have only seen one side of the >>> conversation. Otherwise, I'm happy to loop Bestbits back in, and share the >>> conversation that has already happened? >>> >>> >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Sheetal. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 11:03, Carolina Rossini < >>> carolina.rossini at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I did not say anybody was suggesting anything. It was just a reminder. >>> >>> Tks >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 9:42 AM farzaneh badii >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> @Carolina (Hello!) I don't think anyone here is suggesting that BestBits >>> documents, materials etc will not be preserved. It is only a matter of how >>> we should preserve them when we carry out the merge. (Jeremy has been >>> wanting to transfer the domain name for the past I think around 3 years, >>> no one wants to take over, so we definitely need a plan), we can for >>> example decide on having the materials stored on future IGC website. >>> >>> >>> >>> As to changes to the IGC charter, as Sheetal explained and it is in the >>> proposal, the changes are going to be lightweight but if IGC charter >>> recommends a process for amendment, then we should follow that. I still >>> support forming a small group to look into these issues and let us know how >>> we should proceed. Even if we don't agree to change the charter, we can >>> consider what new features IGC should possess in order to address the needs >>> of its members and those members that are migrating from BestBits and >>> generally more engagement with IG processes. >>> >>> >>> >>> As to the poll among BestBits members, that is something you need to >>> discuss with BestBits. Just a reminder that both groups have been in my >>> opinion briefed and engaged with the conversation. We did not just have a >>> meeting with 11 members. Since December 2018, IGC and BestBits held >>> meetings about this, a survey was taken to see what BestBits members think >>> (the average attendance in those meetings was something like 15 members, >>> Sheetal shared a comprehensive result of the survey). >>> >>> >>> >>> @Sala thank you for your kind words. I believe in collective action and >>> am glad that you found the briefings and reports useful. InternetNZ's help >>> was crucial in making that happen. >>> >>> >>> >>> Christchurch call was one instance when the civil society got together >>> and showed its depth of expertise and knowledge about Internet governance >>> issues. So we definitely can get it together and act collectively. It's >>> just a matter of how, which I am sure we solve if we keep at it and have >>> these conversations. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Farzaneh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 3:42 AM Carolina Rossini < >>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>> >>> I disagree with you Ian. A pool is needed among the BB members. There >>> are more than 11. >>> >>> >>> >>> And for the BB folks, and it’s is not only the mailing list. BB site has >>> a lot of good material and statements that should be captured and saved. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sorry I could not make to the meeting. You can only imagine how busy I >>> am. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tks Sheetal for moving this forward with all the delicate and sensitive >>> touch it does deserve. >>> >>> >>> >>> C >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 5:20 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: >>> >>> No poll needed. Best Bits closes down (their call). Former members join >>> IGC individually. End of story. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> But fixing the IGC constitution (a later step) is more complex as Sala >>> points out. >>> >>> >>> >>> Ian. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>> >>> To: "Sheetal Kumar" >>> >>> Cc: "Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov" ; "Lee W McKnight" < >>> lmcknigh at syr.edu>; "Tapani Tarvainen" ; >>> "Sivasubramanian M" <6.Internet at gmail.com>; "Akinremi Peter Taiwo" < >>> compsoftnet at gmail.com>; "governance" >>> >>> Sent: 14/06/2019 11:40:49 AM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [governance] The proposal for closing Bestbits and merging >>> with IGC + next steps (was "Follow-on from survey on the future of >>> Bestbits: next steps") >>> >>> >>> >>> The IGC usually takes a poll led by elected co-coordinators to determine >>> consensus. If post discussion and debate, consensusnis reached to merge >>> then by all means. >>> >>> >>> >>> Nobody speaks for the IGC unless there is consensus, if you want to >>> change the Charter, then there is a process to follow. It is meant to >>> protect us. Members of Best Bits are members of the IGC anyway unless they >>> left or unsubscribed. >>> >>> >>> >>> One of the challenges, I have seen is the loss of important IGC data >>> from the old servers. Every organsiation has to evolve, advance but this >>> has to be based on consensus, and papers for and against, proper discussion >>> and debate. From the outset, all I have seen is a presumption where the IGC >>> has been forcibly roped into discussing mergers without the consensus. >>> >>> >>> >>> The co-coordinators have not set a strategic pathway for engagement in >>> key international fora as the IGC in the HLP session although I was to see >>> great geographical representation by some members of the IGC in the.forum >>> in their individual capacity. >>> >>> >>> >>> I would also like to see the IGC working with the World Economic Forum >>> etc and participating in the UN New York meetings, although some members >>> participate in their organisational capacity. It is also significant that >>> UNDESA reviews the global SDG projects and has a >>> monitoring/evaluation/audit type role which it uses to review and report >>> back to the UNGA. >>> >>> >>> >>> On another separate, note, whilst Arden (bless her heart), and others >>> have been royally pissed about making a dent in how global MNCs like >>> Facebook behave in crisis, these are not new issues as they are.similar to >>> historical discussion on the list about Brits imposing a temporary ban over >>> a certain radius of the London bombing just as the Egyptians and others >>> have done during times of national security. The Tech Accord which >>> represents the committment and negotiations between MNCs, Tech Giants and >>> some government reps as was shared by the former French Ambassador on Cyber >>> affairs and others, it is on a transcript at a main session from last year. >>> >>> >>> >>> The most New Zealand can do is impose a law in New Zealand against these >>> giants. Facebook's Mia in NZ who is based in the Sydney officer and global >>> public policy counterparts have alot of work on their hands. >>> >>> >>> >>> One view is that the threat to freedom of expression (which the IGC has >>> always talked about is no respecter of whether you are from the East, West, >>> South, North. The principles are well established in International law and >>> Frank La Rue's report to the UN General Assembly which was endorsed is >>> relevant. On the other hand, threats that Jeremy Malcolm and others have >>> been raising on wordings and semantics on child pornography by a UN >>> Drafting.committee show an example of new and emergent threats. >>> >>> >>> >>> Personally, even if Arden takes it to the UN, the UN is obliged and >>> mandated not to duplicate work that is already done and to this end, the UN >>> Secretary General's foresight in appointing the HLP and launching the >>> report is key as geopolitical tensions are further heightened. I have yet >>> to read the full HLP report, but if it is missing a FoX compoment, then a >>> letter to the Co-Chairs, the UN Secretary General.may the faster non >>> bureaucratic way to get traction. >>> >>> >>> >>> What giants like Facebook would fear is being broken up for regulation! >>> Frankly Macron is hated in France just as Trump is hated in the US for >>> imposing taxes. >>> >>> >>> >>> It would be great for the IGC to host and convene a panel to explore >>> this. I would recommend Bertrand from Internet Jurisdiction to co >>> facilitate and moderate a geographically diverse panel and a representative >>> from the Geneva Internet Platform. I know Bertrand is speaking at a >>> European Court of Human Rights with others. >>> >>> >>> >>> We need to take a step back and reflect as a community how we want to >>> engage. We cannot be reactive and we have to stay ahead of the curve. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2.36am so best be getting back to bed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Sala >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> *Carolina Rossini * >>> >>> + 1 (617) 697 9389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini >>> >>> PGP ID: 0xEC81015C >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> *Carolina Rossini * >>> >>> + 1 (617) 697 9389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini >>> >>> PGP ID: 0xEC81015C >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> *Sheetal Kumar* >> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > -- *Sheetal Kumar* Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Aug 5 09:48:54 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 13:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] The proposal for closing Bestbits and merging with IGC + next steps (was "Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps") In-Reply-To: References: <9fd097236d0c42d5a6a54f768bd0b2d8@adcu.columbia.edu> <1a7c0747-9727-6ed7-0197-38ec56f79c7f@apc.org> Message-ID: <1902794240.1159745.1565012934874@mail.yahoo.com> Dear Sheetal, Thanks for reminder. I will also join the meeting. Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Monday, 5 August 2019, 16:52:08 GMT+5, Sheetal Kumar wrote: Dear all, This is just a polite reminder that we'll be having our call tomorrow, 06 August at 2 PM UTC. Please find the details below, I look forward to speaking to you then! BestSheetal Date and time: 06 August, 2 PM UTC To join the call online, please click the green "join" button below and follow the on-screen prompts. To connect to audio, please click the "call using computer" button on the left hand side of the webex window. | | |    | Bestbits closure and revived IGC: Next steps 6 Aug, 15:00 | 1 hr 30 min London (Western European Summer Time, GMT+01:00) Host: Global Partners Digital | |    | | | Join | | | Agenda: 1) Closure of Bestbits: agreement on date and process 2) Moving to IGC: what is the current status? What is happening/what to expect?3) Organisation of civil society day 0 event: discussion of timeline 4) AOB On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 at 00:55, Remmy Nweke wrote: Thanks Sheetal and allAs much as I agree with bulk of the outlined summarised by you, there is need for IGC charter review and left for me to accommodate and harmonise thoughts on the new dispensation and could actually be a major task for new coordinators once after their election  I wish us well in this efforts.Regards On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 12:11 PM Sheetal Kumar wrote: Dear all Apologies for the delay in responding - I've been away for a week and I trust you received my OOO. Reading through the comments, it seems to me there is more or less agreement on some things but less on others. In essence: - There seems to be agreement that reviving IGC is a good thing because there's a lot of work to be done by CS on important IG issues on the global agenda/at global forums - There's some agreement that merging BB with IGC would be a good way forward to accomplish that but concern that the appropriate process hasn't been followed within IGC, albeit there is disagreement about what that process would/could be - There's agreement that all documents, from both lists, should be preserved and centralised for easy access by all members - There support for organising a day 0 event at the IGF in Berlin - There's less agreement that there's a need to review the IGC Charter  Hopefully this captures the conversation so far? I've also read the responses on the thread which includes Bestbits and although there are only a few responses there, combined with the views of those who attended the meeting at RightsCon, I think we can say that there is general support from the Bestbits list members for merging so far. As such, I'd suggest the following as a way forward, interested to hear what others think if you don't agree: - If there isn't agreement on the diagnosis of the problem, we can start the discussion anew. It's important we all agree on the premise we're working on, otherwise we'll move forward leaving people behind and just recreate the current situation again. Currently the diagnosis of those engaged, and the basis of those who attended the meeting at RightsCon, is that civil society working on IG issues is split/fragmented and therefore less effective than it could be. If anyone disagrees with this diagnosis, I think they should express this on the thread with Bestbits included - If anyone is against the merger as a way of addressing this issue (i.e split/fragmentation as a key factor which explains our ineffectiveness) I think this should be expressed on the Bestbits thread too - mainly because of the general support for the idea of merging among members of both lists, and the main concern currently expressed about the merger being about process. Otherwise, the conversations will continue to be split and the current situation will be perpetuated. - If anyone is against the idea of reforming the Charter in principle they make that clear in the thread with Bestbits too - as there maybe Bestbits members who have opinions on that as well. This is just a conversation so if there is strong disagreement about reforming the Charter among anyone in either list, we could potentially agree not to reform it and revisit the idea in a year, for example. Unless there's disagreement, I'll send a reminder to the thread which includes Bestbits at the end of this week, and hopefully we can weave ourselves back together there? BestSheetal On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 at 22:45, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: Agree completely with you on this Milton. And as Farzi pointed out, of course we should preserve the documents on the Best Bits site, and the list archives. By the way, if anyone wants the archives of the IGC lists I have pretty complete records for 2009-2016. Probably earlier too but on a back-up drive somewhere. I also think that the list archive of the list when it was still hosted by APC is still available somewhere too. Anriette ----------------------------- Anriette Esterhuysen Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning Association for Progressive Communications apc.org afrisig.org anriette at apc.org On 2019/06/17 23:08, Mueller, Milton L wrote: Really good point, Sheetal. But it is actually a substantive one. You have pointed out that there are divergent perceptions of the discussion, and this is happening because the lists are not integrated.   So how can anyone seriously suggest that we do not need to merge these lists? How can anyone truly concerned with civil society influence favor maintaining this stupid barrier between the groups involved?   --MM   Dear all,   Without wanting to weigh in on the substantive discussion being had here, I was just wondering if it was a purposeful decision to drop Bestbits in some of these replies. It seems there are two divergent perceptions of the discussion happening. Happy for IGC to have its discussion but at some point, those on Bestbits who are not on IGC will need to be updated as I believe there are some Bestbits members who have only seen one side of the conversation. Otherwise, I'm happy to loop Bestbits back in, and share the conversation that has already happened?   Best Sheetal.   On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 11:03, Carolina Rossini wrote: I did not say anybody was suggesting anything.  It was just a reminder. Tks    On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 9:42 AM farzaneh badii wrote:   @Carolina (Hello!) I don't think anyone here is suggesting that BestBits documents, materials etc will not be preserved. It is only a matter of how we should preserve them when we carry out the merge. (Jeremy has been wanting to transfer the domain name for the past  I think around 3 years, no one wants to take over, so we definitely need a plan), we can for example decide on having the materials stored on future IGC website.    As to changes to the IGC charter, as Sheetal explained and it is in the proposal, the changes are going to be lightweight but if IGC charter recommends a process for amendment, then we should follow that. I still support forming a small group to look into these issues and let us know how we should proceed. Even if we don't agree to change the charter, we can consider what new features IGC should possess in order to address the needs of its members and those members that are migrating from BestBits and generally more engagement with IG processes.    As to the poll among BestBits members, that is something you need to discuss with BestBits. Just a reminder that both groups have been in my opinion briefed and engaged with the conversation. We did not just have a meeting with 11 members. Since December 2018, IGC and BestBits held meetings about this, a survey was taken to see what BestBits members think (the average attendance in those meetings was something like 15 members, Sheetal shared a comprehensive result of the survey).    @Sala thank you for your kind words. I believe in collective action and am glad that you found the briefings and reports useful. InternetNZ's help was crucial in making that happen.   Christchurch call was one instance when the civil society got together and showed its depth of expertise and knowledge about Internet governance issues. So we definitely can get it together and act collectively. It's just a matter of how, which I am sure we solve if we keep at it and have these conversations.      Farzaneh     On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 3:42 AM Carolina Rossini wrote: I disagree with you Ian. A pool is needed among the BB members. There are more than 11.    And for the BB folks, and it’s is not only the mailing list. BB site has a lot of good material and statements that should be captured and saved.    Sorry I could not make to the meeting. You can only imagine how busy I am.   Tks Sheetal for moving this forward with all the delicate and sensitive touch it does deserve.    C   On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 5:20 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: No poll needed. Best Bits closes down (their call). Former members join IGC individually. End of story.      But fixing the IGC constitution (a later step) is more complex as Sala points out.   Ian.   ------ Original Message ------ From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" To: "Sheetal Kumar" Cc: "Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov" ; "Lee W McKnight" ; "Tapani Tarvainen" ; "Sivasubramanian M" <6.Internet at gmail.com>; "Akinremi Peter Taiwo" ; "governance" Sent: 14/06/2019 11:40:49 AM Subject: Re: [governance] The proposal for closing Bestbits and merging with IGC + next steps (was "Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps")   The IGC usually takes a poll led by elected co-coordinators to determine consensus. If post discussion and debate, consensusnis reached to merge then by all means.   Nobody speaks for the IGC unless there is consensus, if you want to change the Charter, then there is a process to follow. It is meant to protect us. Members of Best Bits are members of the IGC anyway unless they left or unsubscribed.   One of the challenges, I have seen is the loss of important IGC data from the old servers. Every organsiation has to evolve, advance but this has to be based on consensus, and papers for and against, proper discussion and debate. From the outset, all I have seen is a presumption where the IGC has been forcibly roped into discussing mergers without the consensus.   The co-coordinators have not set a strategic pathway for engagement in key international fora as the IGC in the HLP session although I was to see great geographical representation by some members of the IGC in the.forum in their individual capacity.   I would also like to see the IGC working with the World Economic Forum etc and participating in the UN New York meetings, although some members participate in their organisational capacity. It is also significant that UNDESA reviews the global SDG projects and has a monitoring/evaluation/audit type role which it uses to review and report back to the UNGA.   On another separate, note, whilst Arden (bless her heart), and others have been royally pissed about making a dent in how global MNCs like Facebook behave in crisis, these are not new issues as they are.similar to historical discussion on the list about Brits imposing a temporary ban over a certain radius of the London bombing just as the Egyptians and others have done during times of national security. The Tech Accord which represents the committment and negotiations between MNCs, Tech Giants and some government reps as was shared by the former French Ambassador on Cyber affairs and others, it is on a transcript at a main session from last year.   The most New Zealand can do is impose a law in New Zealand against these giants.  Facebook's Mia in NZ who is based in the Sydney officer and global public policy counterparts have alot of work on their hands.   One view is that the threat to freedom of expression (which the IGC has always talked about is no respecter of whether you are from the East, West, South, North. The principles are well established in International law and Frank La Rue's report to the UN General Assembly which was endorsed is relevant. On the other hand, threats that Jeremy Malcolm and others have been raising on wordings and semantics on child pornography by a UN Drafting.committee show an example of new and emergent threats.   Personally, even if Arden takes it to the UN, the UN is obliged and mandated not to duplicate work that is already done and to this end, the UN Secretary General's foresight in appointing the HLP and launching the report is key as geopolitical tensions are further heightened. I have yet to read the full HLP report, but if it is missing a FoX compoment, then a letter to the Co-Chairs, the UN Secretary General.may the faster non bureaucratic way to get traction.   What giants like Facebook would fear is being broken up for regulation! Frankly Macron is hated in France just as Trump is hated in the US for imposing taxes.   It would be great for the IGC to host and convene a panel to explore this. I would recommend Bertrand from Internet Jurisdiction to co facilitate and moderate a geographically diverse panel and a representative from the Geneva Internet Platform. I know Bertrand is speaking at a European Court of Human Rights with others.   We need to take a step back and reflect as a community how we want to engage. 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In order to stop this help families suffering few thoughts 1) create global list of all families individuals effected getting effected every day . 2) crate global teams to help them from lawyers to lobbying experts leaders sports persons move actors news social media rights activists to support them . 3) create crowd fund to help these families . 4) educate youth un educated society about human rights make them to be part of global movement. 5) peace and prosperity equally in all societies with happy family 6) create common global rights law which is applicable at district court police station governence 7) have one global open digital rights freedom of living expression growth. Thanking you all Kanumuri s Raju On Sun, Aug 4, 2019, 11:08 AM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > Dear All, > > > > This revised draft captures some of Chaitanya and Ian's input and > suggested edits. Please review and comment. Should you wish sentences > replaced, suggest, alternative texts and drafts. This would be easier with > the etherpad restored. This is still a Draft so don't get your panties and > knickers in a twist/knot. 🤣🤣🤣 > > Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 > > *Proposed Draft* > > The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the > sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has > been honoured multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage > in exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his > website, 64 Tianwang. > > > > Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to the > foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to > corruption & human rights. It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured > as a strong contributor to society. > > > > We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments > related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. We call on China to > immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him access to his family, > medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. We also call on China > to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement of his family and > those who assisted him. > > > > We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights Council > this year. The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to > aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles > which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and > Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the > OHCHR website. > > On Thu, 1 Aug 2019, 1:55 pm Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear fellow Caucus, >> >> I would like to propose that we draft a statement concerning Huan Qi, an >> online activist's sentencing. >> >> Proposed Draft >> >> The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the >> sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has >> been honored multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in >> exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his >> website, 64 Tianwang. >> >> Huang Qi's persecution and imprisonment reflects China’s continued >> repression of free speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its >> international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of >> law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him >> access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. >> We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement >> of his family and those who assisted him. >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Sala >> > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Tue Aug 6 03:09:16 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 08:09:16 +0100 Subject: [governance] Kashmir and India (Revocation of certain Articles) #democracy #FoX Message-ID: Dear All, Saw this published on bytesforall Thinking of our colleagues who are directly impacted by this. 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Thoughts are with you. https://bytesforall.pk/post/india-democratic-rights-must-be-respected-and-protected-jammu-and-kashmir --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Tue Aug 6 06:49:11 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (srajukanumuri (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 16:19:11 +0530 Subject: [governance] Kashmir and India (Revocation of certain Articles) #democracy #FoX In-Reply-To: <303773386.1608145.1565082570783@mail.yahoo.com> References: <303773386.1608145.1565082570783@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Terrorists killing Innocents is also human rights violation. India Pakistan divided by invadors. Then rest is history. Afganiatan Pakistan terrorism is stage played . Jammu and Kashmir is rulers are by Hindu Kings who treated all citizens as one . Colonial wars last 300 yrs impacted all countries.. No body asks about terrorists attacks kashmiri pandits genocide United India invaders bulochistan genocide india terrorist attacks killing Innocents . Even I'n Pakistan afganiatan terrorists attacks is barbarians acts. Global stage players making countries fight making brothers sisters tribes citizens fight each other to loot or sell arms occupying other lands . Make people papuer suffering for ever with poverty woman exploitation children effected etc Economic affects . Let world live in peace and prosperity. People live peace and prosperity. United gernany is open Answer to world . It is not human rights voilation making people to become rich become happy for ever . Let contries humanity not to fight or terrorists attacks or wars . Awake old global order over new peace and prosperous citizens happiness citizens important. Why no human rights issues on wars gun voilance in USA and terrorists attacks all over . Awake think broadly the people of Jammu and Kashmir are looking for change no cross terrorist attacks crate wars for ever live poverty exploiting etc make countries bankruptcy. Saarc is one answer. Global peace agreements on own . No hatred let us have peace hands . God bless humanity without wars hate . On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 2:39 PM Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: > Dear All, > > We Support BytesforAll statement and Strongly Condemn and Rejects the > Indian Action, which is Serious Violation of Human Rights, in Jammu & > Kashmir. > > Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > for Internet Governance Forum of Pakistan > > On Tuesday, 6 August 2019, 12:17:54 GMT+5, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > Saw this published on bytesforall > Thinking of our colleagues who are directly impacted by this. Thoughts are > with you. > > > https://bytesforall.pk/post/india-democratic-rights-must-be-respected-and-protected-jammu-and-kashmir > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From suresh at hserus.net Tue Aug 6 06:58:02 2019 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 10:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Kashmir and India (Revocation of certain Articles) #democracy #FoX In-Reply-To: References: <303773386.1608145.1565082570783@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <25F457B8D0530B29.C43889C1-17CA-4E2A-B7C7-1E076958FC8B@mail.outlook.com> 1. This is incoherent 2. This is far outside the remit of this caucus --srs On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 4:19 PM +0530, "srajukanumuri" wrote: Terrorists killing Innocents is also human rights violation.  India Pakistan divided by invadors.Then rest is history. Afganiatan Pakistan terrorism is stage played . Jammu and Kashmir is rulers are by Hindu Kings who treated all citizens as one . Colonial wars last 300 yrs impacted all countries.. No body asks about terrorists attacks kashmiri pandits genocide United India invaders bulochistan genocide india terrorist attacks killing Innocents . Even I'n Pakistan afganiatan terrorists attacks is barbarians acts. Global stage players making countries fight making brothers sisters tribes citizens fight each other to loot or sell arms occupying other lands .  Make people papuer suffering for ever with poverty woman exploitation children effected etc Economic affects . Let world live in peace and prosperity. People live peace and prosperity. United gernany is open Answer to world . It is not human rights voilation making people to become rich become happy for ever . Let contries humanity not to fight or terrorists attacks or wars . Awake old global order over new peace and prosperous citizens happiness citizens important. Why no human rights issues on wars gun voilance in USA and terrorists attacks all over . Awake think broadly the people of Jammu and Kashmir are looking for change no cross terrorist attacks  crate wars for ever live poverty exploiting etc make countries bankruptcy. Saarc is one answer.  Global peace agreements on own . No hatred let us have peace hands . God bless humanity without wars hate .      On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 2:39 PM Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: Dear All, We Support BytesforAll statement and Strongly Condemn and Rejects the Indian Action, which is Serious Violation of Human Rights, in Jammu & Kashmir. Regards Imran Ahmed Shahfor Internet Governance Forum of Pakistan On Tuesday, 6 August 2019, 12:17:54 GMT+5, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: Dear All, Saw this published on bytesforallThinking of our colleagues who are directly impacted by this. 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URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Aug 1 18:08:08 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Chaitanya Dhareshwar (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 03:38:08 +0530 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Some thoughts (which may be added in the draft if deemed fit): - Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to the foreground these issues (corruption & human rights issues). - It is our (my) view that he should be honoured as a strong contributor to society. - A reasonable middle ground between sentencing (law) and honouring commitment to free speech would be to give a Community Service sentence *Chaitanya Dhareshwar* Linkedin | Blog | *Book Me* | Skype: chaitanyabd Mobile: +91.9820760253 On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 6:34 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > Dear fellow Caucus, > > I would like to propose that we draft a statement concerning Huan Qi, an > online activist's sentencing. > > Proposed Draft > > The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the > sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has > been honored multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in > exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his > website, 64 Tianwang. > > Huang Qi's persecution and imprisonment reflects China’s continued > repression of free speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its > international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of > law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him > access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. > We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement > of his family and those who assisted him. > > > Kind Regards, > > Sala > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sat Aug 3 09:21:33 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Nyangkwe Agien Aaron (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 14:21:33 +0100 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huang Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: <20190802160611.03ef40a7@quill> References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <20190802160611.03ef40a7@quill> Message-ID: I agree with the text. Thanks Agien Nyangkwe On Fri, 2 Aug 2019, 15:06 Norbert Bollow, wrote: > On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 10:18:47 +0100 > "\"Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro\"" (via governance Mailing List) > wrote: > > > Suggest some text. > > Your original proposed text is fine from my perspective; my objection > only concerns an idea for changing it. > > > For the sake of convenient reference, here is Sala's original proposal > again: > > """ > Proposed Draft > > The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the > sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang > has been honored multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his > courage in exposing corruption and human rights violations in China > through his website, 64 Tianwang. > > Huang Qi's persecution and imprisonment reflects China’s continued > repression of free speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold > its international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the > rule of law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to > allow him access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon > as possible. We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the > freedom of movement of his family and those who assisted him. > """ > > Greetings, > Norbert > > > > > On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 03:38:08 +0530 > > > "Chaitanya Dhareshwar" (via governance Mailing List) > > > wrote: > > > > > > > - A reasonable middle ground between sentencing (law) and > > > > honouring commitment to free speech would be to give a Community > > > > Service sentence > > > > > > I would strongly object to anything that calls anything a > > > "reasonable middle ground" which is not fully in alignment with all > > > human rights including the right to free speech. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Norbert > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Tue Aug 6 10:07:50 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 10:07:50 -0400 Subject: [governance] Meeting has started, please join In-Reply-To: References: <9fd097236d0c42d5a6a54f768bd0b2d8@adcu.columbia.edu> <1a7c0747-9727-6ed7-0197-38ec56f79c7f@apc.org> Message-ID: Meeting started Dear all, This is just a polite reminder that we'll be having our call tomorrow, 06 August at 2 PM UTC. Please find the details below, I look forward to speaking to you then! Best Sheetal *Date and time:* 06 August, 2 PM UTC To join the call online, please click the green "join" button below and follow the on-screen prompts. To connect to audio, please click the "call using computer" button on the left hand side of the webex window. Bestbits closure and revived IGC: Next steps *6 Aug, 15:00* | 1 hr 30 min London (Western European Summer Time, GMT+01:00) Host: Global Partners Digital Join *Agenda:* 1) Closure of Bestbits: agreement on date and process 2) Moving to IGC: what is the current status? What is happening/what to expect? 3) Organisation of civil society day 0 event: discussion of timeline 4) AOB On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 at 00:55, Remmy Nweke wrote: > Thanks Sheetal and all > As much as I agree with bulk of the outlined summarised by you, there is > need for IGC charter review and left for me to accommodate and harmonise > thoughts on the new dispensation and could actually be a major task for new > coordinators once after their election > I wish us well in this efforts. > Regards > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 12:11 PM Sheetal Kumar > wrote: > >> Dear all >> >> Apologies for the delay in responding - I've been away for a week and I >> trust you received my OOO. Reading through the comments, it seems to me >> there is more or less agreement on some things but less on others. In >> essence: >> >> - There seems to be agreement that reviving IGC is a good thing >> because there's a lot of work to be done by CS on important IG issues on >> the global agenda/at global forums >> - There's some agreement that merging BB with IGC would be a good way >> forward to accomplish that but concern that the appropriate process hasn't >> been followed within IGC, albeit there is disagreement about what that >> process would/could be >> - There's agreement that all documents, from both lists, should be >> preserved and centralised for easy access by all members >> - There support for organising a day 0 event at the IGF in Berlin >> - There's less agreement that there's a need to review the IGC >> Charter >> >> Hopefully this captures the conversation so far? >> >> I've also read the responses on the thread which includes Bestbits and >> although there are only a few responses there, combined with the views of >> those who attended the meeting at RightsCon, I think we can say that there >> is general support from the Bestbits list members for merging so far. >> >> As such, I'd suggest the following as a way forward, interested to hear >> what others think if you don't agree: >> >> - If there isn't agreement on the diagnosis of the problem, we can >> start the discussion anew. It's important we all agree on the premise we're >> working on, otherwise we'll move forward leaving people behind and just >> recreate the current situation again. Currently the diagnosis of those >> engaged, and the basis of those who attended the meeting at RightsCon, is >> that civil society working on IG issues is split/fragmented and therefore >> less effective than it could be. If anyone disagrees with this diagnosis, I >> think they should express this on the thread with Bestbits included >> - If anyone is against the merger as a way of addressing this issue >> (i.e split/fragmentation as a key factor which explains our >> ineffectiveness) I think this should be expressed on the Bestbits thread >> too - mainly because of the general support for the idea of merging among >> members of both lists, and the main concern currently expressed about the >> merger being about process. Otherwise, the conversations will continue to >> be split and the current situation will be perpetuated. >> - If anyone is against the idea of reforming the Charter *in >> principle* they make that clear in the thread with Bestbits too - as >> there maybe Bestbits members who have opinions on that as well. This is >> just a conversation so if there is strong disagreement about reforming the >> Charter among anyone in either list, we could potentially agree not to >> reform it and revisit the idea in a year, for example. >> >> Unless there's disagreement, I'll send a reminder to the thread which >> includes Bestbits at the end of this week, and hopefully we can weave >> ourselves back together there? >> >> Best >> Sheetal >> >> On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 at 22:45, Anriette Esterhuysen >> wrote: >> >>> Agree completely with you on this Milton. And as Farzi pointed out, of >>> course we should preserve the documents on the Best Bits site, and the list >>> archives. >>> >>> By the way, if anyone wants the archives of the IGC lists I have pretty >>> complete records for 2009-2016. Probably earlier too but on a back-up drive >>> somewhere. I also think that the list archive of the list when it was still >>> hosted by APC is still available somewhere too. >>> >>> Anriette >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------- >>> Anriette Esterhuysen >>> Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning >>> Association for Progressive Communicationsapc.orgafrisig.organriette at apc.org >>> >>> On 2019/06/17 23:08, Mueller, Milton L wrote: >>> >>> Really good point, Sheetal. >>> >>> But it is actually a substantive one. You have pointed out that there >>> are divergent perceptions of the discussion, and this is happening because >>> the lists are not integrated. >>> >>> >>> >>> So how can anyone seriously suggest that we do not need to merge these >>> lists? How can anyone truly concerned with civil society influence favor >>> maintaining this stupid barrier between the groups involved? >>> >>> >>> >>> --MM >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> >>> >>> Without wanting to weigh in on the substantive discussion being had >>> here, I was just wondering if it was a purposeful decision to drop Bestbits >>> in some of these replies. It seems there are two divergent perceptions of >>> the discussion happening. Happy for IGC to have its discussion but at some >>> point, those on Bestbits who are not on IGC will need to be updated as I >>> believe there are some Bestbits members who have only seen one side of the >>> conversation. Otherwise, I'm happy to loop Bestbits back in, and share the >>> conversation that has already happened? >>> >>> >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Sheetal. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 11:03, Carolina Rossini < >>> carolina.rossini at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I did not say anybody was suggesting anything. It was just a reminder. >>> >>> Tks >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 9:42 AM farzaneh badii >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> @Carolina (Hello!) I don't think anyone here is suggesting that BestBits >>> documents, materials etc will not be preserved. It is only a matter of how >>> we should preserve them when we carry out the merge. (Jeremy has been >>> wanting to transfer the domain name for the past I think around 3 years, >>> no one wants to take over, so we definitely need a plan), we can for >>> example decide on having the materials stored on future IGC website. >>> >>> >>> >>> As to changes to the IGC charter, as Sheetal explained and it is in the >>> proposal, the changes are going to be lightweight but if IGC charter >>> recommends a process for amendment, then we should follow that. I still >>> support forming a small group to look into these issues and let us know how >>> we should proceed. Even if we don't agree to change the charter, we can >>> consider what new features IGC should possess in order to address the needs >>> of its members and those members that are migrating from BestBits and >>> generally more engagement with IG processes. >>> >>> >>> >>> As to the poll among BestBits members, that is something you need to >>> discuss with BestBits. Just a reminder that both groups have been in my >>> opinion briefed and engaged with the conversation. We did not just have a >>> meeting with 11 members. Since December 2018, IGC and BestBits held >>> meetings about this, a survey was taken to see what BestBits members think >>> (the average attendance in those meetings was something like 15 members, >>> Sheetal shared a comprehensive result of the survey). >>> >>> >>> >>> @Sala thank you for your kind words. I believe in collective action and >>> am glad that you found the briefings and reports useful. InternetNZ's help >>> was crucial in making that happen. >>> >>> >>> >>> Christchurch call was one instance when the civil society got together >>> and showed its depth of expertise and knowledge about Internet governance >>> issues. So we definitely can get it together and act collectively. It's >>> just a matter of how, which I am sure we solve if we keep at it and have >>> these conversations. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Farzaneh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 3:42 AM Carolina Rossini < >>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>> >>> I disagree with you Ian. A pool is needed among the BB members. There >>> are more than 11. >>> >>> >>> >>> And for the BB folks, and it’s is not only the mailing list. BB site has >>> a lot of good material and statements that should be captured and saved. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sorry I could not make to the meeting. You can only imagine how busy I >>> am. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tks Sheetal for moving this forward with all the delicate and sensitive >>> touch it does deserve. >>> >>> >>> >>> C >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 5:20 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >>> ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: >>> >>> No poll needed. Best Bits closes down (their call). Former members join >>> IGC individually. End of story. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> But fixing the IGC constitution (a later step) is more complex as Sala >>> points out. >>> >>> >>> >>> Ian. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >>> >>> To: "Sheetal Kumar" >>> >>> Cc: "Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov" ; "Lee W McKnight" < >>> lmcknigh at syr.edu>; "Tapani Tarvainen" ; >>> "Sivasubramanian M" <6.Internet at gmail.com>; "Akinremi Peter Taiwo" < >>> compsoftnet at gmail.com>; "governance" >>> >>> Sent: 14/06/2019 11:40:49 AM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [governance] The proposal for closing Bestbits and merging >>> with IGC + next steps (was "Follow-on from survey on the future of >>> Bestbits: next steps") >>> >>> >>> >>> The IGC usually takes a poll led by elected co-coordinators to determine >>> consensus. If post discussion and debate, consensusnis reached to merge >>> then by all means. >>> >>> >>> >>> Nobody speaks for the IGC unless there is consensus, if you want to >>> change the Charter, then there is a process to follow. It is meant to >>> protect us. Members of Best Bits are members of the IGC anyway unless they >>> left or unsubscribed. >>> >>> >>> >>> One of the challenges, I have seen is the loss of important IGC data >>> from the old servers. Every organsiation has to evolve, advance but this >>> has to be based on consensus, and papers for and against, proper discussion >>> and debate. From the outset, all I have seen is a presumption where the IGC >>> has been forcibly roped into discussing mergers without the consensus. >>> >>> >>> >>> The co-coordinators have not set a strategic pathway for engagement in >>> key international fora as the IGC in the HLP session although I was to see >>> great geographical representation by some members of the IGC in the.forum >>> in their individual capacity. >>> >>> >>> >>> I would also like to see the IGC working with the World Economic Forum >>> etc and participating in the UN New York meetings, although some members >>> participate in their organisational capacity. It is also significant that >>> UNDESA reviews the global SDG projects and has a >>> monitoring/evaluation/audit type role which it uses to review and report >>> back to the UNGA. >>> >>> >>> >>> On another separate, note, whilst Arden (bless her heart), and others >>> have been royally pissed about making a dent in how global MNCs like >>> Facebook behave in crisis, these are not new issues as they are.similar to >>> historical discussion on the list about Brits imposing a temporary ban over >>> a certain radius of the London bombing just as the Egyptians and others >>> have done during times of national security. The Tech Accord which >>> represents the committment and negotiations between MNCs, Tech Giants and >>> some government reps as was shared by the former French Ambassador on Cyber >>> affairs and others, it is on a transcript at a main session from last year. >>> >>> >>> >>> The most New Zealand can do is impose a law in New Zealand against these >>> giants. Facebook's Mia in NZ who is based in the Sydney officer and global >>> public policy counterparts have alot of work on their hands. >>> >>> >>> >>> One view is that the threat to freedom of expression (which the IGC has >>> always talked about is no respecter of whether you are from the East, West, >>> South, North. The principles are well established in International law and >>> Frank La Rue's report to the UN General Assembly which was endorsed is >>> relevant. On the other hand, threats that Jeremy Malcolm and others have >>> been raising on wordings and semantics on child pornography by a UN >>> Drafting.committee show an example of new and emergent threats. >>> >>> >>> >>> Personally, even if Arden takes it to the UN, the UN is obliged and >>> mandated not to duplicate work that is already done and to this end, the UN >>> Secretary General's foresight in appointing the HLP and launching the >>> report is key as geopolitical tensions are further heightened. I have yet >>> to read the full HLP report, but if it is missing a FoX compoment, then a >>> letter to the Co-Chairs, the UN Secretary General.may the faster non >>> bureaucratic way to get traction. >>> >>> >>> >>> What giants like Facebook would fear is being broken up for regulation! >>> Frankly Macron is hated in France just as Trump is hated in the US for >>> imposing taxes. >>> >>> >>> >>> It would be great for the IGC to host and convene a panel to explore >>> this. I would recommend Bertrand from Internet Jurisdiction to co >>> facilitate and moderate a geographically diverse panel and a representative >>> from the Geneva Internet Platform. I know Bertrand is speaking at a >>> European Court of Human Rights with others. >>> >>> >>> >>> We need to take a step back and reflect as a community how we want to >>> engage. We cannot be reactive and we have to stay ahead of the curve. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2.36am so best be getting back to bed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Sala >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> *Carolina Rossini * >>> >>> + 1 (617) 697 9389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini >>> >>> PGP ID: 0xEC81015C >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> *Carolina Rossini * >>> >>> + 1 (617) 697 9389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini >>> >>> PGP ID: 0xEC81015C >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Sheetal Kumar* >>> >>> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >>> >>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >>> >>> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >>> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >>> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> *Sheetal Kumar* >> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > -- *Sheetal Kumar* Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Tue Aug 6 13:17:32 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (sivasubramanian muthusamy (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 22:47:32 +0530 Subject: [governance] Kashmir and India (Revocation of certain Articles) #democracy #FoX In-Reply-To: <25F457B8D0530B29.C43889C1-17CA-4E2A-B7C7-1E076958FC8B@mail.outlook.com> References: <303773386.1608145.1565082570783@mail.yahoo.com> <25F457B8D0530B29.C43889C1-17CA-4E2A-B7C7-1E076958FC8B@mail.outlook.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 4:28 PM Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > 1. This is incoherent > 2. This is far outside the remit of this caucus > +1 > --srs > > > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 4:19 PM +0530, "srajukanumuri" < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > Terrorists killing Innocents is also human rights violation. >> >> India Pakistan divided by invadors. >> Then rest is history. >> >> Afganiatan Pakistan terrorism is stage played . >> >> Jammu and Kashmir is rulers are by Hindu Kings who treated all citizens >> as one . >> >> Colonial wars last 300 yrs impacted all countries.. >> >> No body asks about terrorists attacks kashmiri pandits genocide >> United India invaders bulochistan genocide india terrorist attacks >> killing Innocents . >> >> Even I'n Pakistan afganiatan terrorists attacks is barbarians acts. >> >> Global stage players making countries fight making brothers sisters >> tribes citizens fight each other to loot or sell arms occupying other lands >> . >> >> Make people papuer suffering for ever with poverty woman exploitation >> children effected etc >> Economic affects . >> >> Let world live in peace and prosperity. >> >> People live peace and prosperity. >> >> United gernany is open Answer to world . >> >> It is not human rights voilation making people to become rich become >> happy for ever . >> >> Let contries humanity not to fight or terrorists attacks or wars . >> >> Awake old global order over new peace and prosperous citizens happiness >> citizens important. >> >> Why no human rights issues on wars gun voilance in USA and terrorists >> attacks all over . >> >> Awake think broadly the people of Jammu and Kashmir are looking for >> change no cross terrorist attacks crate wars for ever live poverty >> exploiting etc make countries bankruptcy. >> >> Saarc is one answer. Global peace agreements on own . >> >> No hatred let us have peace hands . >> >> God bless humanity without wars hate . >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 2:39 PM Imran Ahmed Shah < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> We Support BytesforAll statement and Strongly Condemn and Rejects the >>> Indian Action, which is Serious Violation of Human Rights, in Jammu & >>> Kashmir. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Imran Ahmed Shah >>> for Internet Governance Forum of Pakistan >>> >>> On Tuesday, 6 August 2019, 12:17:54 GMT+5, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> Saw this published on bytesforall >>> Thinking of our colleagues who are directly impacted by this. Thoughts >>> are with you. >>> >>> >>> https://bytesforall.pk/post/india-democratic-rights-must-be-respected-and-protected-jammu-and-kashmir >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >> --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Tue Aug 6 13:22:30 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (farzaneh badii (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 13:22:30 -0400 Subject: [governance] Kashmir and India (Revocation of certain Articles) #democracy #FoX In-Reply-To: References: <303773386.1608145.1565082570783@mail.yahoo.com> <25F457B8D0530B29.C43889C1-17CA-4E2A-B7C7-1E076958FC8B@mail.outlook.com> Message-ID: Hello The below message is too broad but the fact that India has actually shut down Internet access in Kashmir is within the mandate of this caucus to address. Farzaneh On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:18 PM sivasubramanian muthusamy < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 4:28 PM Suresh Ramasubramanian > wrote: > >> 1. This is incoherent >> 2. This is far outside the remit of this caucus >> > > +1 > > >> --srs >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 4:19 PM +0530, "srajukanumuri" < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >> Terrorists killing Innocents is also human rights violation. >>> >>> India Pakistan divided by invadors. >>> Then rest is history. >>> >>> Afganiatan Pakistan terrorism is stage played . >>> >>> Jammu and Kashmir is rulers are by Hindu Kings who treated all citizens >>> as one . >>> >>> Colonial wars last 300 yrs impacted all countries.. >>> >>> No body asks about terrorists attacks kashmiri pandits genocide >>> United India invaders bulochistan genocide india terrorist attacks >>> killing Innocents . >>> >>> Even I'n Pakistan afganiatan terrorists attacks is barbarians acts. >>> >>> Global stage players making countries fight making brothers sisters >>> tribes citizens fight each other to loot or sell arms occupying other lands >>> . >>> >>> Make people papuer suffering for ever with poverty woman exploitation >>> children effected etc >>> Economic affects . >>> >>> Let world live in peace and prosperity. >>> >>> People live peace and prosperity. >>> >>> United gernany is open Answer to world . >>> >>> It is not human rights voilation making people to become rich become >>> happy for ever . >>> >>> Let contries humanity not to fight or terrorists attacks or wars . >>> >>> Awake old global order over new peace and prosperous citizens happiness >>> citizens important. >>> >>> Why no human rights issues on wars gun voilance in USA and terrorists >>> attacks all over . >>> >>> Awake think broadly the people of Jammu and Kashmir are looking for >>> change no cross terrorist attacks crate wars for ever live poverty >>> exploiting etc make countries bankruptcy. >>> >>> Saarc is one answer. Global peace agreements on own . >>> >>> No hatred let us have peace hands . >>> >>> God bless humanity without wars hate . >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 2:39 PM Imran Ahmed Shah < >>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> We Support BytesforAll statement and Strongly Condemn and Rejects the >>>> Indian Action, which is Serious Violation of Human Rights, in Jammu & >>>> Kashmir. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Imran Ahmed Shah >>>> for Internet Governance Forum of Pakistan >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, 6 August 2019, 12:17:54 GMT+5, Salanieta T. >>>> Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> Saw this published on bytesforall >>>> Thinking of our colleagues who are directly impacted by this. Thoughts >>>> are with you. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://bytesforall.pk/post/india-democratic-rights-must-be-respected-and-protected-jammu-and-kashmir >>>> --- >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> List help: >>>> --- >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> List help: >>>> >>> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From suresh at hserus.net Tue Aug 6 13:25:05 2019 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2019 22:55:05 +0530 Subject: [governance] Kashmir and India (Revocation of certain Articles) #democracy #FoX In-Reply-To: References: <303773386.1608145.1565082570783@mail.yahoo.com> <25F457B8D0530B29.C43889C1-17CA-4E2A-B7C7-1E076958FC8B@mail.outlook.com> Message-ID: I agree that in the limited scope of this aspect, it would be good for the caucus to issue a statement condemning this. I am not happy with this entire situation any more than others here are. However, this being an igov caucus, it would be good for us to restrict ourselves to internet governance, I agree 100%. From: farzaneh badii Date: Tuesday, 6 August 2019 at 10:52 pm To: sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet at gmail.com> Cc: "suresh at hserus.net" , , Imran Ahmed Shah , governance , "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" Subject: Re: [governance] Kashmir and India (Revocation of certain Articles) #democracy #FoX Hello The below message is too broad but the fact that India has actually shut down Internet access in Kashmir is within the mandate of this caucus to address. Farzaneh On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 1:18 PM sivasubramanian muthusamy wrote: On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 4:28 PM Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: 1. This is incoherent 2. This is far outside the remit of this caucus +1 --srs On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 4:19 PM +0530, "srajukanumuri" wrote: Terrorists killing Innocents is also human rights violation. India Pakistan divided by invadors. Then rest is history. Afganiatan Pakistan terrorism is stage played . Jammu and Kashmir is rulers are by Hindu Kings who treated all citizens as one . Colonial wars last 300 yrs impacted all countries.. No body asks about terrorists attacks kashmiri pandits genocide United India invaders bulochistan genocide india terrorist attacks killing Innocents . Even I'n Pakistan afganiatan terrorists attacks is barbarians acts. Global stage players making countries fight making brothers sisters tribes citizens fight each other to loot or sell arms occupying other lands . Make people papuer suffering for ever with poverty woman exploitation children effected etc Economic affects . Let world live in peace and prosperity. People live peace and prosperity. United gernany is open Answer to world . It is not human rights voilation making people to become rich become happy for ever . Let contries humanity not to fight or terrorists attacks or wars . Awake old global order over new peace and prosperous citizens happiness citizens important. Why no human rights issues on wars gun voilance in USA and terrorists attacks all over . Awake think broadly the people of Jammu and Kashmir are looking for change no cross terrorist attacks crate wars for ever live poverty exploiting etc make countries bankruptcy. Saarc is one answer. Global peace agreements on own . No hatred let us have peace hands . God bless humanity without wars hate . On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 2:39 PM Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: Dear All, We Support BytesforAll statement and Strongly Condemn and Rejects the Indian Action, which is Serious Violation of Human Rights, in Jammu & Kashmir. Regards Imran Ahmed Shah for Internet Governance Forum of Pakistan On Tuesday, 6 August 2019, 12:17:54 GMT+5, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: Dear All, Saw this published on bytesforall Thinking of our colleagues who are directly impacted by this. Thoughts are with you. https://bytesforall.pk/post/india-democratic-rights-must-be-respected-and-protected-jammu-and-kashmir --- To unsubscribe: List help: --- To unsubscribe: List help: --- To unsubscribe: List help: --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joly at punkcast.com Tue Aug 6 15:10:44 2019 From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 15:10:44 -0400 Subject: [governance] WEBCAST TUE-THU: 2019 Latin America and Caribbean Internet Governance Forum #LACIGF12 Message-ID: Big congrats to ISOC Bolivia for pulling of a triple language webcast and, of course, the vent itself! [image: livestream] The 2019 *Latin America and Caribbean Internet Governance Forum * (LACIGF 12) will be held from *August 6 to 8, 2019* in La Paz, Bolivia, hosted by the *Internet Society Bolivia Chapter* . Since 2008 LACIGF has become a true regional meeting space for multistakeholder policy debate where different stakeholders representing governments, the private sector, the technical community, academia and civil society organizations share and discuss their views on Internet Governance, in preparation for the global Internet Governance Forum. This year's event will be webcast live in English, Spanish, and Portuguese via uStream, with a simulcast via *ISOC.LIVE * *VIEW ON LIVESTREAM: http://livestream.com/internetsociety/lacigf12 * *VIEW ON USTREAM: https://www.ustream.tv/channel/DKWsjfRLtPe * *(ENGLISH)* El *Foro de Gobernanza de Internet de América Latina y el Caribe de 2019* (LACIGF 12) se llevará a cabo del 6 al 8 de agosto de 2019 en La Paz, Bolivia, organizado por el *Capítulo Bolivia de Internet Society *. Desde 2008, LACIGF se ha convertido en un verdadero espacio de reunión regional para el debate de políticas de múltiples partes interesadas donde diferentes partes interesadas que representan a los gobiernos, el sector privado, la comunidad técnica, la academia y las organizaciones de la sociedad civil comparten y discuten sus puntos de vista sobre la gobernanza de Internet, en preparación para la gobernanza global de Internet Foro. El evento de este año se transmitirá en vivo en inglés, español y portugués a través de uStream, con una transmisión simultánea a *ISOC.LIVE .* *VER EN LIVESTREAM: http://livestream.com/internetsociety2/lacigf12 * *VER EN USTREAM: https://www.ustream.tv/channel/wJD3jzyMV7X * *(ESPAÑOL)* O *Fórum de Governança da Internet para a América Latina e o Caribe de 2019 * (LACIGF 12) será realizado de *6 a 8 de agosto de 2019* em La Paz, Bolívia, organizado pelo *Capítulo Internet Society Bolivia *. 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Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 22:04:48 +1200 Subject: [governance] Draft Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing [5th August 2019 draft] In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> <825086698.810134.1564922064544@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, 1. The draft statement has been up on the ether pad since the 5th August, 2019. Does anyone have any pressing changes to make or suggest? 2. It is below in this email or on the etherpad: https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 3. I would like to leave this here for another 72 hours to see if there is any suggestion for change or revision or amendments. If so, please refer to the paragraph and suggest an alternate text. 4. If within the 72 hours, there are no comments, I will submit this for a call for consensus before as a community we decide whether we agree or not and if the statement is to be made or not. 5. For now, thank you for the discussions, debate, diverse perspectives so far, let's keep at it as it is productive and insightful. 6. Individually, we only see in part but together we see as a whole. 7. My only concern and motivation is Huang Qi. 8. I keep imagining him in a dark prison cell without access and even if the statement does not get him freed but at least we would have attempted to do something. With every best wish, Sala This is intended to be a collaborative process and is only a draft and we are not at the stage where there is a call for consensus yet. On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 4:14 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > This is a revised draft following Norbert's comments. It is also on the > etherpad via > https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 > > There's free wifi on the plane so able to draft a revision. > > *Proposed Revised Draft 5th August, 2019.* > > (1) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is deeply concerned > by global trends of governments to abuse the "national security" exception > to trample on basic freedoms of expression particularly when these freedoms > are fundamentally linked to good governance and keeping governments > accountable. > > (2) From Venezuela's treatment of Luis Carlos Diaz and numerous other > journalists, United States of America's treatment of Edward Snowden and > Julian Assange, France's mistreatment of Taha Bouhafs, a reporter at French > news website *Là-bas Si J'y Suis, *allegedly assaulted whilst filming a > protest of undocumented workers and now the recent sentencing of Chinese > webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison for > allegedly leaking state secrets when he was promoting accountability and > transparency and good governance. > > (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on governments to > aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles > which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and > Principles within the Internet Governance Forum which is available on the > OHCHR website. > > (4) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights > Council this year. > > (5)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus would like to call on > China to recognise Mr Huang Qi's motivations to encourage good governance > where government officials do not abuse their roles. MrHuang Qi has been > recognised for his stellar journalism by Reporters Without Borders in 2004 > with the Cyber Freedom Prize. > > (6) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human > trafficking cases, over the years, the websitet has extended to reporting > on persons exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. > > (7) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to > the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to > corruption & human rights. > > (8) Mr Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong contributor society. > > (9)We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments. > > (10)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of > keeping government accountable to the people. > > (11)We note that the Committee to protect Journalists had reported that at > Mr Huang Qi's last imprisonment, he was denied medical treatment and has > serious health issues, such as kidney problems and tumours and denied legal > access. > > (12) It was also reported that he is being denied access to medical care > and legal counsel. > > (13)We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him > access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. > > (14)We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of > movement of his family and those who assisted him. > > (15)Furthermore, we call on governments to recognise that their > administration is for the people and not meant to be self serving at the > expense of innocent lives. > > (16)The freedom of journalists, media freedoms, freedom of expression are > necessary for a balanced society and to promote the rule of law. > > ENDS > > > > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 1:34 pm Imran Ahmed Shah, wrote: > > Dear All (IGC Members), > > With reference to the following proposal on the subject, an EhterPad link > is created for the joint collaboration and contribution efforts. Following > draft has also been copied there for your. The IGC CS Statement is > accessible through following URL Link: > > https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 > > This Etherpad is established on request form Sala, temporarily created on > RiseUp.net > > Thanking you and Best Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > [for IGC WG for Website] > > P.S: > If you do not wish to mention your name, basic information or contribution > to be published, please use some abbreviation or alternate to your name, > and declare on the mailing list explicitly, that you do not want to mention > your basic information (Affiliation/ Organization, Email) anywhere. Please > also note that this workspace (Etherpad) and Mailing List both are publicly > accessible workspaces somehow. (Ref. IGC GDPR Compliance Policy Statement). > > WARNING: This "pad" is a collaborative document that can be edited by > anyone who has the URL. If you use an obvious name for the pad, it could be > guessed. > WARNING: This pad will be DELETED if 60 days go by with no edits. There is > NO WAY to recover the pad after this happens, so be careful! > > > On Sunday, 4 August 2019, 12:40:41 GMT+5, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > Further to the revised draft, I should add that he has advanced medical > conditions that require treatment, see: > > > https://cpj.org/2019/07/chinese-court-sentences-journalist-huang-qi-to-12-.php > > Sala > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:18 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear All, > > Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any changes as > this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the sentences for ease > of reference and when commenting on replacements, refer to sentence number > and suggest edits and revisions. > > *Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time]* > > > Proposed Revised Draft > > (1)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the > sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to 12 > years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets when he was promoting > accountability and transparency and good governance. > > > (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights > Council this year. > > > (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to aspire > to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles which was > developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles within > the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the OHCHR website. > > > (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honoured by Reporters Without > Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. > > > (5) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human > trafficking cases, over the years, it has extended to reporting on persons > exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. > > > > (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to > the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to > corruption & human rights. > > > (7) It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong > contributor to society. > > > > (8) We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments > related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. > > > (9)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of > keeping government accountable to the people. > > > (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him > access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. > > > (11) We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of > movement of his family and those who assisted him. > > > > ENDS > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 1:34 pm Imran Ahmed Shah, wrote: > >> Dear All (IGC Members), >> >> With reference to the following proposal on the subject, an EhterPad link >> is created for the joint collaboration and contribution efforts. Following >> draft has also been copied there for your. The IGC CS Statement is >> accessible through following URL Link: >> >> https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 >> >> This Etherpad is established on request form Sala, temporarily created on >> RiseUp.net >> >> Thanking you and Best Regards >> >> Imran Ahmed Shah >> >> [for IGC WG for Website] >> >> P.S: >> If you do not wish to mention your name, basic information or >> contribution to be published, please use some abbreviation or alternate to >> your name, and declare on the mailing list explicitly, that you do not want >> to mention your basic information (Affiliation/ Organization, Email) >> anywhere. Please also note that this workspace (Etherpad) and Mailing List >> both are publicly accessible workspaces somehow. (Ref. IGC GDPR Compliance >> Policy Statement). >> >> WARNING: This "pad" is a collaborative document that can be edited by >> anyone who has the URL. If you use an obvious name for the pad, it could be >> guessed. >> WARNING: This pad will be DELETED if 60 days go by with no edits. There >> is NO WAY to recover the pad after this happens, so be careful! >> >> >> On Sunday, 4 August 2019, 12:40:41 GMT+5, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> Further to the revised draft, I should add that he has advanced medical >> conditions that require treatment, see: >> >> >> https://cpj.org/2019/07/chinese-court-sentences-journalist-huang-qi-to-12-.php >> >> Sala >> >> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:18 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear All, >> >> Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any changes as >> this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the sentences for ease >> of reference and when commenting on replacements, refer to sentence number >> and suggest edits and revisions. >> >> *Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time]* >> >> >> Proposed Revised Draft >> >> (1)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by >> the sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to >> 12 years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets when he was >> promoting accountability and transparency and good governance. >> >> >> (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights >> Council this year. >> >> >> (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to aspire >> to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles which was >> developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles within >> the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the OHCHR website. >> >> >> (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honoured by Reporters Without >> Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. >> >> >> (5) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human >> trafficking cases, over the years, it has extended to reporting on persons >> exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. >> >> >> >> (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing >> to the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to >> corruption & human rights. >> >> >> (7) It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong >> contributor to society. >> >> >> >> (8) We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international >> commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. >> >> >> (9)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of >> keeping government accountable to the people. >> >> >> (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him >> access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. >> >> >> (11) We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of >> movement of his family and those who assisted him. >> >> >> >> ENDS >> >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > -- *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* *P. O. Box 17862* *Suva* *Republic of Fiji* *Cell: +679 7656770; * *Home: +679 3362003* *Twitter: @SalanietaT* *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheetal at gp-digital.org Wed Aug 7 06:20:42 2019 From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 11:20:42 +0100 Subject: [governance] Draft Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing [5th August 2019 draft] In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> <825086698.810134.1564922064544@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Salanieta, all, Thank you for your email and these efforts. I hope you'll excuse my ignorance as a new member...I was wondering if this will be an 'IGC' statement and if so if it has to be adopted by consensus or whether it is a statement that anyone can sign on to? If it is an IGC statement then is there a process for getting that consensus? Best Sheetal On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 11:05, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > > 1. The draft statement has been up on the ether pad since the 5th > August, 2019. Does anyone have any pressing changes to make or suggest? > 2. It is below in this email or on the etherpad: https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 > 3. I would like to leave this here for another 72 hours to see if > there is any suggestion for change or revision or amendments. If so, please > refer to the paragraph and suggest an alternate text. > 4. If within the 72 hours, there are no comments, I will submit this > for a call for consensus before as a community we decide whether we agree > or not and if the statement is to be made or not. > 5. For now, thank you for the discussions, debate, diverse > perspectives so far, let's keep at it as it is productive and insightful. > 6. Individually, we only see in part but together we see as a whole. > 7. My only concern and motivation is Huang Qi. > 8. I keep imagining him in a dark prison cell without access and even > if the statement does not get him freed but at least we would have > attempted to do something. > > With every best wish, > Sala > > > This is intended to be a collaborative process and is only a draft and we > are not at the stage where there is a call for consensus yet. > > On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 4:14 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> This is a revised draft following Norbert's comments. It is also on the >> etherpad via >> https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 >> >> There's free wifi on the plane so able to draft a revision. >> >> *Proposed Revised Draft 5th August, 2019.* >> >> (1) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is deeply >> concerned by global trends of governments to abuse the "national security" >> exception to trample on basic freedoms of expression particularly when >> these freedoms are fundamentally linked to good governance and keeping >> governments accountable. >> >> (2) From Venezuela's treatment of Luis Carlos Diaz and numerous other >> journalists, United States of America's treatment of Edward Snowden and >> Julian Assange, France's mistreatment of Taha Bouhafs, a reporter at French >> news website *Là-bas Si J'y Suis, *allegedly assaulted whilst filming a >> protest of undocumented workers and now the recent sentencing of Chinese >> webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison for >> allegedly leaking state secrets when he was promoting accountability and >> transparency and good governance. >> >> (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on governments to >> aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles >> which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and >> Principles within the Internet Governance Forum which is available on the >> OHCHR website. >> >> (4) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights >> Council this year. >> >> (5)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus would like to call on >> China to recognise Mr Huang Qi's motivations to encourage good governance >> where government officials do not abuse their roles. MrHuang Qi has been >> recognised for his stellar journalism by Reporters Without Borders in 2004 >> with the Cyber Freedom Prize. >> >> (6) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human >> trafficking cases, over the years, the websitet has extended to reporting >> on persons exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. >> >> (7) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing >> to the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to >> corruption & human rights. >> >> (8) Mr Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong contributor society. >> >> (9)We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments. >> >> (10)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of >> keeping government accountable to the people. >> >> (11)We note that the Committee to protect Journalists had reported that >> at Mr Huang Qi's last imprisonment, he was denied medical treatment and has >> serious health issues, such as kidney problems and tumours and denied legal >> access. >> >> (12) It was also reported that he is being denied access to medical care >> and legal counsel. >> >> (13)We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him >> access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. >> >> (14)We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of >> movement of his family and those who assisted him. >> >> (15)Furthermore, we call on governments to recognise that their >> administration is for the people and not meant to be self serving at the >> expense of innocent lives. >> >> (16)The freedom of journalists, media freedoms, freedom of expression are >> necessary for a balanced society and to promote the rule of law. >> >> ENDS >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 1:34 pm Imran Ahmed Shah, wrote: >> >> Dear All (IGC Members), >> >> With reference to the following proposal on the subject, an EhterPad link >> is created for the joint collaboration and contribution efforts. Following >> draft has also been copied there for your. The IGC CS Statement is >> accessible through following URL Link: >> >> https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 >> >> This Etherpad is established on request form Sala, temporarily created on >> RiseUp.net >> >> Thanking you and Best Regards >> >> Imran Ahmed Shah >> >> [for IGC WG for Website] >> >> P.S: >> If you do not wish to mention your name, basic information or >> contribution to be published, please use some abbreviation or alternate to >> your name, and declare on the mailing list explicitly, that you do not want >> to mention your basic information (Affiliation/ Organization, Email) >> anywhere. Please also note that this workspace (Etherpad) and Mailing List >> both are publicly accessible workspaces somehow. (Ref. IGC GDPR Compliance >> Policy Statement). >> >> WARNING: This "pad" is a collaborative document that can be edited by >> anyone who has the URL. If you use an obvious name for the pad, it could be >> guessed. >> WARNING: This pad will be DELETED if 60 days go by with no edits. There >> is NO WAY to recover the pad after this happens, so be careful! >> >> >> On Sunday, 4 August 2019, 12:40:41 GMT+5, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> Further to the revised draft, I should add that he has advanced medical >> conditions that require treatment, see: >> >> >> https://cpj.org/2019/07/chinese-court-sentences-journalist-huang-qi-to-12-.php >> >> Sala >> >> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:18 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear All, >> >> Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any changes as >> this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the sentences for ease >> of reference and when commenting on replacements, refer to sentence number >> and suggest edits and revisions. >> >> *Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time]* >> >> >> Proposed Revised Draft >> >> (1)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by >> the sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to >> 12 years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets when he was >> promoting accountability and transparency and good governance. >> >> >> (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights >> Council this year. >> >> >> (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to aspire >> to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles which was >> developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles within >> the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the OHCHR website. >> >> >> (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honoured by Reporters Without >> Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. >> >> >> (5) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human >> trafficking cases, over the years, it has extended to reporting on persons >> exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. >> >> >> >> (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing >> to the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to >> corruption & human rights. >> >> >> (7) It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong >> contributor to society. >> >> >> >> (8) We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international >> commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. >> >> >> (9)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of >> keeping government accountable to the people. >> >> >> (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him >> access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. >> >> >> (11) We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of >> movement of his family and those who assisted him. >> >> >> >> ENDS >> >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> >> >> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 1:34 pm Imran Ahmed Shah, wrote: >> >>> Dear All (IGC Members), >>> >>> With reference to the following proposal on the subject, an EhterPad >>> link is created for the joint collaboration and contribution efforts. >>> Following draft has also been copied there for your. The IGC CS Statement >>> is accessible through following URL Link: >>> >>> https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 >>> >>> This Etherpad is established on request form Sala, temporarily created >>> on RiseUp.net >>> >>> Thanking you and Best Regards >>> >>> Imran Ahmed Shah >>> >>> [for IGC WG for Website] >>> >>> P.S: >>> If you do not wish to mention your name, basic information or >>> contribution to be published, please use some abbreviation or alternate to >>> your name, and declare on the mailing list explicitly, that you do not want >>> to mention your basic information (Affiliation/ Organization, Email) >>> anywhere. Please also note that this workspace (Etherpad) and Mailing List >>> both are publicly accessible workspaces somehow. (Ref. IGC GDPR Compliance >>> Policy Statement). >>> >>> WARNING: This "pad" is a collaborative document that can be edited by >>> anyone who has the URL. If you use an obvious name for the pad, it could be >>> guessed. >>> WARNING: This pad will be DELETED if 60 days go by with no edits. There >>> is NO WAY to recover the pad after this happens, so be careful! >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, 4 August 2019, 12:40:41 GMT+5, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> Further to the revised draft, I should add that he has advanced medical >>> conditions that require treatment, see: >>> >>> >>> https://cpj.org/2019/07/chinese-court-sentences-journalist-huang-qi-to-12-.php >>> >>> Sala >>> >>> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:18 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any changes as >>> this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the sentences for ease >>> of reference and when commenting on replacements, refer to sentence number >>> and suggest edits and revisions. >>> >>> *Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time]* >>> >>> >>> Proposed Revised Draft >>> >>> (1)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by >>> the sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to >>> 12 years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets when he was >>> promoting accountability and transparency and good governance. >>> >>> >>> (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights >>> Council this year. >>> >>> >>> (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to >>> aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles >>> which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and >>> Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the >>> OHCHR website. >>> >>> >>> (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honoured by Reporters Without >>> Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. >>> >>> >>> (5) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human >>> trafficking cases, over the years, it has extended to reporting on persons >>> exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. >>> >>> >>> >>> (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing >>> to the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to >>> corruption & human rights. >>> >>> >>> (7) It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong >>> contributor to society. >>> >>> >>> >>> (8) We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international >>> commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. >>> >>> >>> (9)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of >>> keeping government accountable to the people. >>> >>> >>> (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him >>> access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. >>> >>> >>> (11) We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of >>> movement of his family and those who assisted him. >>> >>> >>> >>> ENDS >>> >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >> > > -- > > *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* > > *P. O. Box 17862* > > *Suva* > > > *Republic of Fiji* > > *Cell: +679 7656770; * > > *Home: +679 3362003* > *Twitter: @SalanietaT* > > > > > *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the > greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- *Sheetal Kumar* Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 7 06:23:49 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 11:23:49 +0100 Subject: [governance] Draft Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing [5th August 2019 draft] In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> <825086698.810134.1564922064544@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Sheetal, This is drafting stages before the text is ready to be given to the IGC coordinators for a call for consensus as per the Charter. The drafting stage is different from the call for consensus. Post call for consensus, if consensus is reached, then it will be formalised and published as the official IGC statement. Then others can sign on if they wish. Best wishes, Sala P.S hope the meeting went well, been jetlagged and sleeping On Wed, 7 Aug 2019, 11:20 am Sheetal Kumar, wrote: > Dear Salanieta, all, > > Thank you for your email and these efforts. I hope you'll excuse my > ignorance as a new member...I was wondering if this will be an 'IGC' > statement and if so if it has to be adopted by consensus or whether it is a > statement that anyone can sign on to? If it is an IGC statement then is > there a process for getting that consensus? > > Best > Sheetal > > On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 11:05, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> >> 1. The draft statement has been up on the ether pad since the 5th >> August, 2019. Does anyone have any pressing changes to make or suggest? >> 2. It is below in this email or on the etherpad: >> https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 >> 3. I would like to leave this here for another 72 hours to see if >> there is any suggestion for change or revision or amendments. If so, please >> refer to the paragraph and suggest an alternate text. >> 4. If within the 72 hours, there are no comments, I will submit this >> for a call for consensus before as a community we decide whether we agree >> or not and if the statement is to be made or not. >> 5. For now, thank you for the discussions, debate, diverse >> perspectives so far, let's keep at it as it is productive and insightful. >> 6. Individually, we only see in part but together we see as a whole. >> 7. My only concern and motivation is Huang Qi. >> 8. I keep imagining him in a dark prison cell without access and even >> if the statement does not get him freed but at least we would have >> attempted to do something. >> >> With every best wish, >> Sala >> >> >> This is intended to be a collaborative process and is only a draft and we >> are not at the stage where there is a call for consensus yet. >> >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 4:14 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> This is a revised draft following Norbert's comments. It is also on the >>> etherpad via >>> https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 >>> >>> There's free wifi on the plane so able to draft a revision. >>> >>> *Proposed Revised Draft 5th August, 2019.* >>> >>> (1) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is deeply >>> concerned by global trends of governments to abuse the "national security" >>> exception to trample on basic freedoms of expression particularly when >>> these freedoms are fundamentally linked to good governance and keeping >>> governments accountable. >>> >>> (2) From Venezuela's treatment of Luis Carlos Diaz and numerous other >>> journalists, United States of America's treatment of Edward Snowden and >>> Julian Assange, France's mistreatment of Taha Bouhafs, a reporter at French >>> news website *Là-bas Si J'y Suis, *allegedly assaulted whilst filming a >>> protest of undocumented workers and now the recent sentencing of Chinese >>> webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison for >>> allegedly leaking state secrets when he was promoting accountability and >>> transparency and good governance. >>> >>> (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on governments to >>> aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles >>> which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and >>> Principles within the Internet Governance Forum which is available on the >>> OHCHR website. >>> >>> (4) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights >>> Council this year. >>> >>> (5)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus would like to call on >>> China to recognise Mr Huang Qi's motivations to encourage good governance >>> where government officials do not abuse their roles. MrHuang Qi has been >>> recognised for his stellar journalism by Reporters Without Borders in 2004 >>> with the Cyber Freedom Prize. >>> >>> (6) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human >>> trafficking cases, over the years, the websitet has extended to reporting >>> on persons exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. >>> >>> (7) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing >>> to the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to >>> corruption & human rights. >>> >>> (8) Mr Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong contributor society. >>> >>> (9)We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international >>> commitments. >>> >>> (10)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of >>> keeping government accountable to the people. >>> >>> (11)We note that the Committee to protect Journalists had reported that >>> at Mr Huang Qi's last imprisonment, he was denied medical treatment and has >>> serious health issues, such as kidney problems and tumours and denied legal >>> access. >>> >>> (12) It was also reported that he is being denied access to medical care >>> and legal counsel. >>> >>> (13)We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him >>> access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. >>> >>> (14)We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of >>> movement of his family and those who assisted him. >>> >>> (15)Furthermore, we call on governments to recognise that their >>> administration is for the people and not meant to be self serving at the >>> expense of innocent lives. >>> >>> (16)The freedom of journalists, media freedoms, freedom of expression >>> are necessary for a balanced society and to promote the rule of law. >>> >>> ENDS >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 1:34 pm Imran Ahmed Shah, wrote: >>> >>> Dear All (IGC Members), >>> >>> With reference to the following proposal on the subject, an EhterPad >>> link is created for the joint collaboration and contribution efforts. >>> Following draft has also been copied there for your. The IGC CS Statement >>> is accessible through following URL Link: >>> >>> https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 >>> >>> This Etherpad is established on request form Sala, temporarily created >>> on RiseUp.net >>> >>> Thanking you and Best Regards >>> >>> Imran Ahmed Shah >>> >>> [for IGC WG for Website] >>> >>> P.S: >>> If you do not wish to mention your name, basic information or >>> contribution to be published, please use some abbreviation or alternate to >>> your name, and declare on the mailing list explicitly, that you do not want >>> to mention your basic information (Affiliation/ Organization, Email) >>> anywhere. Please also note that this workspace (Etherpad) and Mailing List >>> both are publicly accessible workspaces somehow. (Ref. IGC GDPR Compliance >>> Policy Statement). >>> >>> WARNING: This "pad" is a collaborative document that can be edited by >>> anyone who has the URL. If you use an obvious name for the pad, it could be >>> guessed. >>> WARNING: This pad will be DELETED if 60 days go by with no edits. There >>> is NO WAY to recover the pad after this happens, so be careful! >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, 4 August 2019, 12:40:41 GMT+5, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> Further to the revised draft, I should add that he has advanced medical >>> conditions that require treatment, see: >>> >>> >>> https://cpj.org/2019/07/chinese-court-sentences-journalist-huang-qi-to-12-.php >>> >>> Sala >>> >>> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:18 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any changes as >>> this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the sentences for ease >>> of reference and when commenting on replacements, refer to sentence number >>> and suggest edits and revisions. >>> >>> *Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time]* >>> >>> >>> Proposed Revised Draft >>> >>> (1)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by >>> the sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to >>> 12 years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets when he was >>> promoting accountability and transparency and good governance. >>> >>> >>> (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights >>> Council this year. >>> >>> >>> (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to >>> aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles >>> which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and >>> Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the >>> OHCHR website. >>> >>> >>> (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honoured by Reporters Without >>> Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. >>> >>> >>> (5) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human >>> trafficking cases, over the years, it has extended to reporting on persons >>> exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. >>> >>> >>> >>> (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing >>> to the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to >>> corruption & human rights. >>> >>> >>> (7) It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong >>> contributor to society. >>> >>> >>> >>> (8) We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international >>> commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. >>> >>> >>> (9)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of >>> keeping government accountable to the people. >>> >>> >>> (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him >>> access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. >>> >>> >>> (11) We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of >>> movement of his family and those who assisted him. >>> >>> >>> >>> ENDS >>> >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >>> >>> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 1:34 pm Imran Ahmed Shah, wrote: >>> >>>> Dear All (IGC Members), >>>> >>>> With reference to the following proposal on the subject, an EhterPad >>>> link is created for the joint collaboration and contribution efforts. >>>> Following draft has also been copied there for your. The IGC CS Statement >>>> is accessible through following URL Link: >>>> >>>> https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 >>>> >>>> This Etherpad is established on request form Sala, temporarily created >>>> on RiseUp.net >>>> >>>> Thanking you and Best Regards >>>> >>>> Imran Ahmed Shah >>>> >>>> [for IGC WG for Website] >>>> >>>> P.S: >>>> If you do not wish to mention your name, basic information or >>>> contribution to be published, please use some abbreviation or alternate to >>>> your name, and declare on the mailing list explicitly, that you do not want >>>> to mention your basic information (Affiliation/ Organization, Email) >>>> anywhere. Please also note that this workspace (Etherpad) and Mailing List >>>> both are publicly accessible workspaces somehow. (Ref. IGC GDPR Compliance >>>> Policy Statement). >>>> >>>> WARNING: This "pad" is a collaborative document that can be edited by >>>> anyone who has the URL. If you use an obvious name for the pad, it could be >>>> guessed. >>>> WARNING: This pad will be DELETED if 60 days go by with no edits. There >>>> is NO WAY to recover the pad after this happens, so be careful! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, 4 August 2019, 12:40:41 GMT+5, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> Further to the revised draft, I should add that he has advanced medical >>>> conditions that require treatment, see: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://cpj.org/2019/07/chinese-court-sentences-journalist-huang-qi-to-12-.php >>>> >>>> Sala >>>> >>>> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:18 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >>>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any changes as >>>> this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the sentences for ease >>>> of reference and when commenting on replacements, refer to sentence number >>>> and suggest edits and revisions. >>>> >>>> *Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time]* >>>> >>>> >>>> Proposed Revised Draft >>>> >>>> (1)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by >>>> the sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to >>>> 12 years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets when he was >>>> promoting accountability and transparency and good governance. >>>> >>>> >>>> (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights >>>> Council this year. >>>> >>>> >>>> (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to >>>> aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles >>>> which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and >>>> Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the >>>> OHCHR website. >>>> >>>> >>>> (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honoured by Reporters Without >>>> Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. >>>> >>>> >>>> (5) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human >>>> trafficking cases, over the years, it has extended to reporting on persons >>>> exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing >>>> to the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to >>>> corruption & human rights. >>>> >>>> >>>> (7) It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong >>>> contributor to society. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> (8) We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international >>>> commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. >>>> >>>> >>>> (9)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of >>>> keeping government accountable to the people. >>>> >>>> >>>> (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him >>>> access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. >>>> >>>> >>>> (11) We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of >>>> movement of his family and those who assisted him. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ENDS >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> List help: >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* >> >> *P. 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And who do we send it to? Farzaneh On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 6:08 PM Chaitanya Dhareshwar < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > Some thoughts (which may be added in the draft if deemed fit): > - Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to the > foreground these issues (corruption & human rights issues). > - It is our (my) view that he should be honoured as a strong contributor > to society. > - A reasonable middle ground between sentencing (law) and honouring > commitment to free speech would be to give a Community Service sentence > > > *Chaitanya Dhareshwar* > > Linkedin | Blog > | *Book Me* | Skype: > chaitanyabd > Mobile: +91.9820760253 > > > On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 6:34 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > >> Dear fellow Caucus, >> >> I would like to propose that we draft a statement concerning Huan Qi, an >> online activist's sentencing. >> >> Proposed Draft >> >> The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the >> sentencing of online activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison. Huang has >> been honored multiple times by Reporters Without Borders for his courage in >> exposing corruption and human rights violations in China through his >> website, 64 Tianwang. >> >> Huang Qi's persecution and imprisonment reflects China’s continued >> repression of free speech. We urge the Chinese government to uphold its >> international commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of >> law. We call on China to immediately release Mr. Huang, and to allow him >> access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. >> We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of movement >> of his family and those who assisted him. >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Sala >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sheetal at gp-digital.org Wed Aug 7 06:45:07 2019 From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 11:45:07 +0100 Subject: [governance] Draft Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing [5th August 2019 draft] In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> <825086698.810134.1564922064544@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Sala, Thank you for this clarification! Does this mean that the statement will need to wait until the election process has culminated as there is only one active co-ordinator, whose term has itself expired? The meeting was productive thanks, I'll be sharing the notes soon! Hoping you get some well deserved rest after the travels, Best On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 11:32, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Sheetal, > > This is drafting stages before the text is ready to be given to the IGC > coordinators for a call for consensus as per the Charter. > > The drafting stage is different from the call for consensus. Post call for > consensus, if consensus is reached, then it will be formalised and > published as the official IGC statement. > > Then others can sign on if they wish. > > Best wishes, > Sala > > P.S hope the meeting went well, been jetlagged and sleeping > > On Wed, 7 Aug 2019, 11:20 am Sheetal Kumar, > wrote: > >> Dear Salanieta, all, >> >> Thank you for your email and these efforts. I hope you'll excuse my >> ignorance as a new member...I was wondering if this will be an 'IGC' >> statement and if so if it has to be adopted by consensus or whether it is a >> statement that anyone can sign on to? If it is an IGC statement then is >> there a process for getting that consensus? >> >> Best >> Sheetal >> >> On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 11:05, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >>> Dear Colleagues, >>> >>> >>> 1. The draft statement has been up on the ether pad since the 5th >>> August, 2019. Does anyone have any pressing changes to make or suggest? >>> 2. It is below in this email or on the etherpad: >>> https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 >>> 3. I would like to leave this here for another 72 hours to see if >>> there is any suggestion for change or revision or amendments. If so, please >>> refer to the paragraph and suggest an alternate text. >>> 4. If within the 72 hours, there are no comments, I will submit this >>> for a call for consensus before as a community we decide whether we agree >>> or not and if the statement is to be made or not. >>> 5. For now, thank you for the discussions, debate, diverse >>> perspectives so far, let's keep at it as it is productive and insightful. >>> 6. Individually, we only see in part but together we see as a whole. >>> 7. My only concern and motivation is Huang Qi. >>> 8. I keep imagining him in a dark prison cell without access and >>> even if the statement does not get him freed but at least we would have >>> attempted to do something. >>> >>> With every best wish, >>> Sala >>> >>> >>> This is intended to be a collaborative process and is only a draft and >>> we are not at the stage where there is a call for consensus yet. >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 4:14 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> This is a revised draft following Norbert's comments. It is also on the >>>> etherpad via >>>> https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 >>>> >>>> There's free wifi on the plane so able to draft a revision. >>>> >>>> *Proposed Revised Draft 5th August, 2019.* >>>> >>>> (1) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is deeply >>>> concerned by global trends of governments to abuse the "national security" >>>> exception to trample on basic freedoms of expression particularly when >>>> these freedoms are fundamentally linked to good governance and keeping >>>> governments accountable. >>>> >>>> (2) From Venezuela's treatment of Luis Carlos Diaz and numerous other >>>> journalists, United States of America's treatment of Edward Snowden and >>>> Julian Assange, France's mistreatment of Taha Bouhafs, a reporter at French >>>> news website *Là-bas Si J'y Suis, *allegedly assaulted whilst filming >>>> a protest of undocumented workers and now the recent sentencing of Chinese >>>> webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison for >>>> allegedly leaking state secrets when he was promoting accountability and >>>> transparency and good governance. >>>> >>>> (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on governments >>>> to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles >>>> which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and >>>> Principles within the Internet Governance Forum which is available on the >>>> OHCHR website. >>>> >>>> (4) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights >>>> Council this year. >>>> >>>> (5)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus would like to call on >>>> China to recognise Mr Huang Qi's motivations to encourage good governance >>>> where government officials do not abuse their roles. MrHuang Qi has been >>>> recognised for his stellar journalism by Reporters Without Borders in 2004 >>>> with the Cyber Freedom Prize. >>>> >>>> (6) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human >>>> trafficking cases, over the years, the websitet has extended to reporting >>>> on persons exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. >>>> >>>> (7) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing >>>> to the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to >>>> corruption & human rights. >>>> >>>> (8) Mr Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong contributor society. >>>> >>>> (9)We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international >>>> commitments. >>>> >>>> (10)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of >>>> keeping government accountable to the people. >>>> >>>> (11)We note that the Committee to protect Journalists had reported that >>>> at Mr Huang Qi's last imprisonment, he was denied medical treatment and has >>>> serious health issues, such as kidney problems and tumours and denied legal >>>> access. >>>> >>>> (12) It was also reported that he is being denied access to medical >>>> care and legal counsel. >>>> >>>> (13)We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him >>>> access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. >>>> >>>> (14)We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of >>>> movement of his family and those who assisted him. >>>> >>>> (15)Furthermore, we call on governments to recognise that their >>>> administration is for the people and not meant to be self serving at the >>>> expense of innocent lives. >>>> >>>> (16)The freedom of journalists, media freedoms, freedom of expression >>>> are necessary for a balanced society and to promote the rule of law. >>>> >>>> ENDS >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 1:34 pm Imran Ahmed Shah, wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear All (IGC Members), >>>> >>>> With reference to the following proposal on the subject, an EhterPad >>>> link is created for the joint collaboration and contribution efforts. >>>> Following draft has also been copied there for your. The IGC CS Statement >>>> is accessible through following URL Link: >>>> >>>> https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 >>>> >>>> This Etherpad is established on request form Sala, temporarily created >>>> on RiseUp.net >>>> >>>> Thanking you and Best Regards >>>> >>>> Imran Ahmed Shah >>>> >>>> [for IGC WG for Website] >>>> >>>> P.S: >>>> If you do not wish to mention your name, basic information or >>>> contribution to be published, please use some abbreviation or alternate to >>>> your name, and declare on the mailing list explicitly, that you do not want >>>> to mention your basic information (Affiliation/ Organization, Email) >>>> anywhere. Please also note that this workspace (Etherpad) and Mailing List >>>> both are publicly accessible workspaces somehow. (Ref. IGC GDPR Compliance >>>> Policy Statement). >>>> >>>> WARNING: This "pad" is a collaborative document that can be edited by >>>> anyone who has the URL. If you use an obvious name for the pad, it could be >>>> guessed. >>>> WARNING: This pad will be DELETED if 60 days go by with no edits. There >>>> is NO WAY to recover the pad after this happens, so be careful! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, 4 August 2019, 12:40:41 GMT+5, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> Further to the revised draft, I should add that he has advanced medical >>>> conditions that require treatment, see: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://cpj.org/2019/07/chinese-court-sentences-journalist-huang-qi-to-12-.php >>>> >>>> Sala >>>> >>>> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:18 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >>>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any changes as >>>> this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the sentences for ease >>>> of reference and when commenting on replacements, refer to sentence number >>>> and suggest edits and revisions. >>>> >>>> *Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time]* >>>> >>>> >>>> Proposed Revised Draft >>>> >>>> (1)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by >>>> the sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to >>>> 12 years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets when he was >>>> promoting accountability and transparency and good governance. >>>> >>>> >>>> (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights >>>> Council this year. >>>> >>>> >>>> (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to >>>> aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles >>>> which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and >>>> Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the >>>> OHCHR website. >>>> >>>> >>>> (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honoured by Reporters Without >>>> Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. >>>> >>>> >>>> (5) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human >>>> trafficking cases, over the years, it has extended to reporting on persons >>>> exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing >>>> to the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to >>>> corruption & human rights. >>>> >>>> >>>> (7) It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong >>>> contributor to society. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> (8) We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international >>>> commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. >>>> >>>> >>>> (9)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of >>>> keeping government accountable to the people. >>>> >>>> >>>> (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him >>>> access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. >>>> >>>> >>>> (11) We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of >>>> movement of his family and those who assisted him. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ENDS >>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> List help: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 1:34 pm Imran Ahmed Shah, wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear All (IGC Members), >>>>> >>>>> With reference to the following proposal on the subject, an EhterPad >>>>> link is created for the joint collaboration and contribution efforts. >>>>> Following draft has also been copied there for your. The IGC CS Statement >>>>> is accessible through following URL Link: >>>>> >>>>> https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 >>>>> >>>>> This Etherpad is established on request form Sala, temporarily created >>>>> on RiseUp.net >>>>> >>>>> Thanking you and Best Regards >>>>> >>>>> Imran Ahmed Shah >>>>> >>>>> [for IGC WG for Website] >>>>> >>>>> P.S: >>>>> If you do not wish to mention your name, basic information or >>>>> contribution to be published, please use some abbreviation or alternate to >>>>> your name, and declare on the mailing list explicitly, that you do not want >>>>> to mention your basic information (Affiliation/ Organization, Email) >>>>> anywhere. Please also note that this workspace (Etherpad) and Mailing List >>>>> both are publicly accessible workspaces somehow. (Ref. IGC GDPR Compliance >>>>> Policy Statement). >>>>> >>>>> WARNING: This "pad" is a collaborative document that can be edited by >>>>> anyone who has the URL. If you use an obvious name for the pad, it could be >>>>> guessed. >>>>> WARNING: This pad will be DELETED if 60 days go by with no edits. >>>>> There is NO WAY to recover the pad after this happens, so be careful! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, 4 August 2019, 12:40:41 GMT+5, Salanieta T. >>>>> Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear All, >>>>> >>>>> Further to the revised draft, I should add that he has advanced >>>>> medical conditions that require treatment, see: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://cpj.org/2019/07/chinese-court-sentences-journalist-huang-qi-to-12-.php >>>>> >>>>> Sala >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:18 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >>>>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear All, >>>>> >>>>> Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any changes >>>>> as this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the sentences for >>>>> ease of reference and when commenting on replacements, refer to sentence >>>>> number and suggest edits and revisions. >>>>> >>>>> *Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time]* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Proposed Revised Draft >>>>> >>>>> (1)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by >>>>> the sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to >>>>> 12 years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets when he was >>>>> promoting accountability and transparency and good governance. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights >>>>> Council this year. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to >>>>> aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles >>>>> which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and >>>>> Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the >>>>> OHCHR website. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honoured by Reporters >>>>> Without Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (5) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human >>>>> trafficking cases, over the years, it has extended to reporting on persons >>>>> exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by >>>>> bringing to the foreground these good governance issues including but not >>>>> limited to corruption & human rights. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (7) It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong >>>>> contributor to society. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (8) We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international >>>>> commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (9)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of >>>>> keeping government accountable to the people. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him >>>>> access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (11) We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of >>>>> movement of his family and those who assisted him. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ENDS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>> List help: >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* >>> >>> *P. 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URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 7 06:38:20 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 11:38:20 +0100 Subject: [governance] Draft Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing [5th August 2019 draft] In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> <825086698.810134.1564922064544@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes the call for consensus can go on and is not dependent on elections. The elections as you can imagine is overdue. On Wed, 7 Aug 2019, 11:45 am Sheetal Kumar, wrote: > Dear Sala, > > Thank you for this clarification! Does this mean that the statement will > need to wait until the election process has culminated as there is only one > active co-ordinator, whose term has itself expired? > > The meeting was productive thanks, I'll be sharing the notes soon! > > Hoping you get some well deserved rest after the travels, > > Best > > On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 11:32, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear Sheetal, >> >> This is drafting stages before the text is ready to be given to the IGC >> coordinators for a call for consensus as per the Charter. >> >> The drafting stage is different from the call for consensus. Post call >> for consensus, if consensus is reached, then it will be formalised and >> published as the official IGC statement. >> >> Then others can sign on if they wish. >> >> Best wishes, >> Sala >> >> P.S hope the meeting went well, been jetlagged and sleeping >> >> On Wed, 7 Aug 2019, 11:20 am Sheetal Kumar, >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Salanieta, all, >>> >>> Thank you for your email and these efforts. I hope you'll excuse my >>> ignorance as a new member...I was wondering if this will be an 'IGC' >>> statement and if so if it has to be adopted by consensus or whether it is a >>> statement that anyone can sign on to? If it is an IGC statement then is >>> there a process for getting that consensus? >>> >>> Best >>> Sheetal >>> >>> On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 11:05, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < >>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. The draft statement has been up on the ether pad since the 5th >>>> August, 2019. Does anyone have any pressing changes to make or suggest? >>>> 2. It is below in this email or on the etherpad: >>>> https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 >>>> 3. I would like to leave this here for another 72 hours to see if >>>> there is any suggestion for change or revision or amendments. If so, please >>>> refer to the paragraph and suggest an alternate text. >>>> 4. If within the 72 hours, there are no comments, I will submit >>>> this for a call for consensus before as a community we decide whether we >>>> agree or not and if the statement is to be made or not. >>>> 5. For now, thank you for the discussions, debate, diverse >>>> perspectives so far, let's keep at it as it is productive and insightful. >>>> 6. Individually, we only see in part but together we see as a whole. >>>> 7. My only concern and motivation is Huang Qi. >>>> 8. I keep imagining him in a dark prison cell without access and >>>> even if the statement does not get him freed but at least we would have >>>> attempted to do something. >>>> >>>> With every best wish, >>>> Sala >>>> >>>> >>>> This is intended to be a collaborative process and is only a draft and >>>> we are not at the stage where there is a call for consensus yet. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 4:14 PM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >>>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is a revised draft following Norbert's comments. It is also on >>>>> the etherpad via >>>>> https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 >>>>> >>>>> There's free wifi on the plane so able to draft a revision. >>>>> >>>>> *Proposed Revised Draft 5th August, 2019.* >>>>> >>>>> (1) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is deeply >>>>> concerned by global trends of governments to abuse the "national security" >>>>> exception to trample on basic freedoms of expression particularly when >>>>> these freedoms are fundamentally linked to good governance and keeping >>>>> governments accountable. >>>>> >>>>> (2) From Venezuela's treatment of Luis Carlos Diaz and numerous other >>>>> journalists, United States of America's treatment of Edward Snowden and >>>>> Julian Assange, France's mistreatment of Taha Bouhafs, a reporter at French >>>>> news website *Là-bas Si J'y Suis, *allegedly assaulted whilst filming >>>>> a protest of undocumented workers and now the recent sentencing of Chinese >>>>> webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison for >>>>> allegedly leaking state secrets when he was promoting accountability and >>>>> transparency and good governance. >>>>> >>>>> (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on governments >>>>> to aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles >>>>> which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and >>>>> Principles within the Internet Governance Forum which is available on the >>>>> OHCHR website. >>>>> >>>>> (4) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights >>>>> Council this year. >>>>> >>>>> (5)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus would like to call on >>>>> China to recognise Mr Huang Qi's motivations to encourage good governance >>>>> where government officials do not abuse their roles. MrHuang Qi has been >>>>> recognised for his stellar journalism by Reporters Without Borders in 2004 >>>>> with the Cyber Freedom Prize. >>>>> >>>>> (6) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human >>>>> trafficking cases, over the years, the websitet has extended to reporting >>>>> on persons exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. >>>>> >>>>> (7) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by >>>>> bringing to the foreground these good governance issues including but not >>>>> limited to corruption & human rights. >>>>> >>>>> (8) Mr Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong contributor society. >>>>> >>>>> (9)We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international >>>>> commitments. >>>>> >>>>> (10)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of >>>>> keeping government accountable to the people. >>>>> >>>>> (11)We note that the Committee to protect Journalists had reported >>>>> that at Mr Huang Qi's last imprisonment, he was denied medical treatment >>>>> and has serious health issues, such as kidney problems and tumours and >>>>> denied legal access. >>>>> >>>>> (12) It was also reported that he is being denied access to medical >>>>> care and legal counsel. >>>>> >>>>> (13)We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him >>>>> access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. >>>>> >>>>> (14)We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of >>>>> movement of his family and those who assisted him. >>>>> >>>>> (15)Furthermore, we call on governments to recognise that their >>>>> administration is for the people and not meant to be self serving at the >>>>> expense of innocent lives. >>>>> >>>>> (16)The freedom of journalists, media freedoms, freedom of expression >>>>> are necessary for a balanced society and to promote the rule of law. >>>>> >>>>> ENDS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 1:34 pm Imran Ahmed Shah, >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear All (IGC Members), >>>>> >>>>> With reference to the following proposal on the subject, an EhterPad >>>>> link is created for the joint collaboration and contribution efforts. >>>>> Following draft has also been copied there for your. The IGC CS Statement >>>>> is accessible through following URL Link: >>>>> >>>>> https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 >>>>> >>>>> This Etherpad is established on request form Sala, temporarily created >>>>> on RiseUp.net >>>>> >>>>> Thanking you and Best Regards >>>>> >>>>> Imran Ahmed Shah >>>>> >>>>> [for IGC WG for Website] >>>>> >>>>> P.S: >>>>> If you do not wish to mention your name, basic information or >>>>> contribution to be published, please use some abbreviation or alternate to >>>>> your name, and declare on the mailing list explicitly, that you do not want >>>>> to mention your basic information (Affiliation/ Organization, Email) >>>>> anywhere. Please also note that this workspace (Etherpad) and Mailing List >>>>> both are publicly accessible workspaces somehow. (Ref. IGC GDPR Compliance >>>>> Policy Statement). >>>>> >>>>> WARNING: This "pad" is a collaborative document that can be edited by >>>>> anyone who has the URL. If you use an obvious name for the pad, it could be >>>>> guessed. >>>>> WARNING: This pad will be DELETED if 60 days go by with no edits. >>>>> There is NO WAY to recover the pad after this happens, so be careful! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, 4 August 2019, 12:40:41 GMT+5, Salanieta T. >>>>> Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear All, >>>>> >>>>> Further to the revised draft, I should add that he has advanced >>>>> medical conditions that require treatment, see: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://cpj.org/2019/07/chinese-court-sentences-journalist-huang-qi-to-12-.php >>>>> >>>>> Sala >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:18 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >>>>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear All, >>>>> >>>>> Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any changes >>>>> as this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the sentences for >>>>> ease of reference and when commenting on replacements, refer to sentence >>>>> number and suggest edits and revisions. >>>>> >>>>> *Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time]* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Proposed Revised Draft >>>>> >>>>> (1)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by >>>>> the sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to >>>>> 12 years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets when he was >>>>> promoting accountability and transparency and good governance. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights >>>>> Council this year. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to >>>>> aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles >>>>> which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and >>>>> Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the >>>>> OHCHR website. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honoured by Reporters >>>>> Without Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (5) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human >>>>> trafficking cases, over the years, it has extended to reporting on persons >>>>> exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by >>>>> bringing to the foreground these good governance issues including but not >>>>> limited to corruption & human rights. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (7) It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong >>>>> contributor to society. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (8) We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international >>>>> commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (9)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of >>>>> keeping government accountable to the people. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him >>>>> access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (11) We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of >>>>> movement of his family and those who assisted him. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ENDS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>> List help: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 1:34 pm Imran Ahmed Shah, >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear All (IGC Members), >>>>>> >>>>>> With reference to the following proposal on the subject, an EhterPad >>>>>> link is created for the joint collaboration and contribution efforts. >>>>>> Following draft has also been copied there for your. The IGC CS Statement >>>>>> is accessible through following URL Link: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 >>>>>> >>>>>> This Etherpad is established on request form Sala, temporarily >>>>>> created on RiseUp.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanking you and Best Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Imran Ahmed Shah >>>>>> >>>>>> [for IGC WG for Website] >>>>>> >>>>>> P.S: >>>>>> If you do not wish to mention your name, basic information or >>>>>> contribution to be published, please use some abbreviation or alternate to >>>>>> your name, and declare on the mailing list explicitly, that you do not want >>>>>> to mention your basic information (Affiliation/ Organization, Email) >>>>>> anywhere. Please also note that this workspace (Etherpad) and Mailing List >>>>>> both are publicly accessible workspaces somehow. (Ref. IGC GDPR Compliance >>>>>> Policy Statement). >>>>>> >>>>>> WARNING: This "pad" is a collaborative document that can be edited by >>>>>> anyone who has the URL. If you use an obvious name for the pad, it could be >>>>>> guessed. >>>>>> WARNING: This pad will be DELETED if 60 days go by with no edits. >>>>>> There is NO WAY to recover the pad after this happens, so be careful! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, 4 August 2019, 12:40:41 GMT+5, Salanieta T. >>>>>> Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>> >>>>>> Further to the revised draft, I should add that he has advanced >>>>>> medical conditions that require treatment, see: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://cpj.org/2019/07/chinese-court-sentences-journalist-huang-qi-to-12-.php >>>>>> >>>>>> Sala >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:18 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >>>>>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>> >>>>>> Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any changes >>>>>> as this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the sentences for >>>>>> ease of reference and when commenting on replacements, refer to sentence >>>>>> number and suggest edits and revisions. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time]* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Proposed Revised Draft >>>>>> >>>>>> (1)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned >>>>>> by the sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi >>>>>> to 12 years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets when he was >>>>>> promoting accountability and transparency and good governance. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights >>>>>> Council this year. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to >>>>>> aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles >>>>>> which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and >>>>>> Principles within the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the >>>>>> OHCHR website. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honoured by Reporters >>>>>> Without Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (5) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human >>>>>> trafficking cases, over the years, it has extended to reporting on persons >>>>>> exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by >>>>>> bringing to the foreground these good governance issues including but not >>>>>> limited to corruption & human rights. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (7) It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong >>>>>> contributor to society. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (8) We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international >>>>>> commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (9)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of >>>>>> keeping government accountable to the people. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him >>>>>> access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (11) We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom >>>>>> of movement of his family and those who assisted him. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ENDS >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>>> List help: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* >>>> >>>> *P. 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URL: From sheetal at gp-digital.org Wed Aug 7 09:07:03 2019 From: sheetal at gp-digital.org (Sheetal Kumar) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 14:07:03 +0100 Subject: [governance] The proposal for closing Bestbits and merging with IGC + next steps (was "Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps") In-Reply-To: <1902794240.1159745.1565012934874@mail.yahoo.com> References: <9fd097236d0c42d5a6a54f768bd0b2d8@adcu.columbia.edu> <1a7c0747-9727-6ed7-0197-38ec56f79c7f@apc.org> <1902794240.1159745.1565012934874@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear all, Thanks to those who attended the call yesterday, it was great to speak to you and hope you find it as productive as I did. Please find the notes and recording of the call at the top of the pad: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture Best Sheetal. On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 14:49, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: > Dear Sheetal, > Thanks for reminder. > > I will also join the meeting. > > Best Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > On Monday, 5 August 2019, 16:52:08 GMT+5, Sheetal Kumar < > sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: > > > Dear all, > > This is just a polite reminder that we'll be having our call tomorrow, 06 > August at 2 PM UTC. Please find the details below, I look forward to > speaking to you then! > > Best > Sheetal > > *Date and time:* 06 August, 2 PM UTC > > To join the call online, please click the green "join" button below and > follow the on-screen prompts. To connect to audio, please click the "call > using computer" button on the left hand side of the webex window. > > > Bestbits closure and revived IGC: Next steps > > > *6 Aug, 15:00* | 1 hr 30 min > > London (Western European Summer Time, GMT+01:00) > > Host: Global Partners Digital > > > Join > > > > *Agenda:* > 1) Closure of Bestbits: agreement on date and process > 2) Moving to IGC: what is the current status? What is happening/what to > expect? > 3) Organisation of civil society day 0 event: discussion of timeline > 4) AOB > > > On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 at 00:55, Remmy Nweke wrote: > > Thanks Sheetal and all > As much as I agree with bulk of the outlined summarised by you, there is > need for IGC charter review and left for me to accommodate and harmonise > thoughts on the new dispensation and could actually be a major task for new > coordinators once after their election > I wish us well in this efforts. > Regards > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 12:11 PM Sheetal Kumar > wrote: > > Dear all > > Apologies for the delay in responding - I've been away for a week and I > trust you received my OOO. Reading through the comments, it seems to me > there is more or less agreement on some things but less on others. In > essence: > > - There seems to be agreement that reviving IGC is a good thing > because there's a lot of work to be done by CS on important IG issues on > the global agenda/at global forums > - There's some agreement that merging BB with IGC would be a good way > forward to accomplish that but concern that the appropriate process hasn't > been followed within IGC, albeit there is disagreement about what that > process would/could be > - There's agreement that all documents, from both lists, should be > preserved and centralised for easy access by all members > - There support for organising a day 0 event at the IGF in Berlin > - There's less agreement that there's a need to review the IGC > Charter > > Hopefully this captures the conversation so far? > > I've also read the responses on the thread which includes Bestbits and > although there are only a few responses there, combined with the views of > those who attended the meeting at RightsCon, I think we can say that there > is general support from the Bestbits list members for merging so far. > > As such, I'd suggest the following as a way forward, interested to hear > what others think if you don't agree: > > - If there isn't agreement on the diagnosis of the problem, we can > start the discussion anew. It's important we all agree on the premise we're > working on, otherwise we'll move forward leaving people behind and just > recreate the current situation again. Currently the diagnosis of those > engaged, and the basis of those who attended the meeting at RightsCon, is > that civil society working on IG issues is split/fragmented and therefore > less effective than it could be. If anyone disagrees with this diagnosis, I > think they should express this on the thread with Bestbits included > - If anyone is against the merger as a way of addressing this issue > (i.e split/fragmentation as a key factor which explains our > ineffectiveness) I think this should be expressed on the Bestbits thread > too - mainly because of the general support for the idea of merging among > members of both lists, and the main concern currently expressed about the > merger being about process. Otherwise, the conversations will continue to > be split and the current situation will be perpetuated. > - If anyone is against the idea of reforming the Charter *in principle* > they make that clear in the thread with Bestbits too - as there maybe > Bestbits members who have opinions on that as well. This is just a > conversation so if there is strong disagreement about reforming the Charter > among anyone in either list, we could potentially agree not to reform it > and revisit the idea in a year, for example. > > Unless there's disagreement, I'll send a reminder to the thread which > includes Bestbits at the end of this week, and hopefully we can weave > ourselves back together there? > > Best > Sheetal > > On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 at 22:45, Anriette Esterhuysen > wrote: > > Agree completely with you on this Milton. And as Farzi pointed out, of > course we should preserve the documents on the Best Bits site, and the list > archives. > > By the way, if anyone wants the archives of the IGC lists I have pretty > complete records for 2009-2016. Probably earlier too but on a back-up drive > somewhere. I also think that the list archive of the list when it was still > hosted by APC is still available somewhere too. > > Anriette > > > ----------------------------- > Anriette Esterhuysen > Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic planning > Association for Progressive Communicationsapc.orgafrisig.organriette at apc.org > > On 2019/06/17 23:08, Mueller, Milton L wrote: > > Really good point, Sheetal. > > But it is actually a substantive one. You have pointed out that there are > divergent perceptions of the discussion, and this is happening because the > lists are not integrated. > > > > So how can anyone seriously suggest that we do not need to merge these > lists? How can anyone truly concerned with civil society influence favor > maintaining this stupid barrier between the groups involved? > > > > --MM > > > > Dear all, > > > > Without wanting to weigh in on the substantive discussion being had here, > I was just wondering if it was a purposeful decision to drop Bestbits in > some of these replies. It seems there are two divergent perceptions of the > discussion happening. Happy for IGC to have its discussion but at some > point, those on Bestbits who are not on IGC will need to be updated as I > believe there are some Bestbits members who have only seen one side of the > conversation. Otherwise, I'm happy to loop Bestbits back in, and share the > conversation that has already happened? > > > > Best > > Sheetal. > > > > On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 11:03, Carolina Rossini > wrote: > > I did not say anybody was suggesting anything. It was just a reminder. > > Tks > > > > On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 9:42 AM farzaneh badii > wrote: > > > > @Carolina (Hello!) I don't think anyone here is suggesting that BestBits > documents, materials etc will not be preserved. It is only a matter of how > we should preserve them when we carry out the merge. (Jeremy has been > wanting to transfer the domain name for the past I think around 3 years, > no one wants to take over, so we definitely need a plan), we can for > example decide on having the materials stored on future IGC website. > > > > As to changes to the IGC charter, as Sheetal explained and it is in the > proposal, the changes are going to be lightweight but if IGC charter > recommends a process for amendment, then we should follow that. I still > support forming a small group to look into these issues and let us know how > we should proceed. Even if we don't agree to change the charter, we can > consider what new features IGC should possess in order to address the needs > of its members and those members that are migrating from BestBits and > generally more engagement with IG processes. > > > > As to the poll among BestBits members, that is something you need to > discuss with BestBits. Just a reminder that both groups have been in my > opinion briefed and engaged with the conversation. We did not just have a > meeting with 11 members. Since December 2018, IGC and BestBits held > meetings about this, a survey was taken to see what BestBits members think > (the average attendance in those meetings was something like 15 members, > Sheetal shared a comprehensive result of the survey). > > > > @Sala thank you for your kind words. I believe in collective action and am > glad that you found the briefings and reports useful. InternetNZ's help was > crucial in making that happen. > > > > Christchurch call was one instance when the civil society got together and > showed its depth of expertise and knowledge about Internet governance > issues. So we definitely can get it together and act collectively. It's > just a matter of how, which I am sure we solve if we keep at it and have > these conversations. > > > > > > Farzaneh > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 3:42 AM Carolina Rossini < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > I disagree with you Ian. A pool is needed among the BB members. There are > more than 11. > > > > And for the BB folks, and it’s is not only the mailing list. BB site has a > lot of good material and statements that should be captured and saved. > > > > Sorry I could not make to the meeting. You can only imagine how busy I am. > > > > Tks Sheetal for moving this forward with all the delicate and sensitive > touch it does deserve. > > > > C > > > > On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 5:20 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > > No poll needed. Best Bits closes down (their call). Former members join > IGC individually. End of story. > > > > > > But fixing the IGC constitution (a later step) is more complex as Sala > points out. > > > > Ian. > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" > > To: "Sheetal Kumar" > > Cc: "Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov" ; "Lee W McKnight" < > lmcknigh at syr.edu>; "Tapani Tarvainen" ; > "Sivasubramanian M" <6.Internet at gmail.com>; "Akinremi Peter Taiwo" < > compsoftnet at gmail.com>; "governance" > > Sent: 14/06/2019 11:40:49 AM > > Subject: Re: [governance] The proposal for closing Bestbits and merging > with IGC + next steps (was "Follow-on from survey on the future of > Bestbits: next steps") > > > > The IGC usually takes a poll led by elected co-coordinators to determine > consensus. If post discussion and debate, consensusnis reached to merge > then by all means. > > > > Nobody speaks for the IGC unless there is consensus, if you want to change > the Charter, then there is a process to follow. It is meant to protect us. > Members of Best Bits are members of the IGC anyway unless they left or > unsubscribed. > > > > One of the challenges, I have seen is the loss of important IGC data from > the old servers. Every organsiation has to evolve, advance but this has to > be based on consensus, and papers for and against, proper discussion and > debate. From the outset, all I have seen is a presumption where the IGC has > been forcibly roped into discussing mergers without the consensus. > > > > The co-coordinators have not set a strategic pathway for engagement in key > international fora as the IGC in the HLP session although I was to see > great geographical representation by some members of the IGC in the.forum > in their individual capacity. > > > > I would also like to see the IGC working with the World Economic Forum etc > and participating in the UN New York meetings, although some members > participate in their organisational capacity. It is also significant that > UNDESA reviews the global SDG projects and has a > monitoring/evaluation/audit type role which it uses to review and report > back to the UNGA. > > > > On another separate, note, whilst Arden (bless her heart), and others have > been royally pissed about making a dent in how global MNCs like Facebook > behave in crisis, these are not new issues as they are.similar to > historical discussion on the list about Brits imposing a temporary ban over > a certain radius of the London bombing just as the Egyptians and others > have done during times of national security. The Tech Accord which > represents the committment and negotiations between MNCs, Tech Giants and > some government reps as was shared by the former French Ambassador on Cyber > affairs and others, it is on a transcript at a main session from last year. > > > > The most New Zealand can do is impose a law in New Zealand against these > giants. Facebook's Mia in NZ who is based in the Sydney officer and global > public policy counterparts have alot of work on their hands. > > > > One view is that the threat to freedom of expression (which the IGC has > always talked about is no respecter of whether you are from the East, West, > South, North. The principles are well established in International law and > Frank La Rue's report to the UN General Assembly which was endorsed is > relevant. On the other hand, threats that Jeremy Malcolm and others have > been raising on wordings and semantics on child pornography by a UN > Drafting.committee show an example of new and emergent threats. > > > > Personally, even if Arden takes it to the UN, the UN is obliged and > mandated not to duplicate work that is already done and to this end, the UN > Secretary General's foresight in appointing the HLP and launching the > report is key as geopolitical tensions are further heightened. I have yet > to read the full HLP report, but if it is missing a FoX compoment, then a > letter to the Co-Chairs, the UN Secretary General.may the faster non > bureaucratic way to get traction. > > > > What giants like Facebook would fear is being broken up for regulation! > Frankly Macron is hated in France just as Trump is hated in the US for > imposing taxes. > > > > It would be great for the IGC to host and convene a panel to explore this. > I would recommend Bertrand from Internet Jurisdiction to co facilitate and > moderate a geographically diverse panel and a representative from the > Geneva Internet Platform. I know Bertrand is speaking at a European Court > of Human Rights with others. > > > > We need to take a step back and reflect as a community how we want to > engage. We cannot be reactive and we have to stay ahead of the curve. > > > > 2.36am so best be getting back to bed. > > > > Cheers, > > Sala > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > -- > > > > *Carolina Rossini * > > + 1 (617) 697 9389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini > > PGP ID: 0xEC81015C > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > -- > > > > *Carolina Rossini * > > + 1 (617) 697 9389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini > > PGP ID: 0xEC81015C > > > > -- > > > > > > *Sheetal Kumar* > > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F > E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > > > -- > > > *Sheetal Kumar* > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > > > -- > > > *Sheetal Kumar* > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 > DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- *Sheetal Kumar* Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 7 10:55:14 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne?= Tungali (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 16:55:14 +0200 Subject: [governance] The proposal for closing Bestbits and merging with IGC + next steps (was "Follow-on from survey on the future of Bestbits: next steps") In-Reply-To: References: <9fd097236d0c42d5a6a54f768bd0b2d8@adcu.columbia.edu> <1a7c0747-9727-6ed7-0197-38ec56f79c7f@apc.org> <1902794240.1159745.1565012934874@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Sheetal, Thanks for these notes and my apologies for not joining the call yesterday. I think it was a great conversation and I do agree with the outcomes. Regards, Arsene 2019-08-07 15:07 UTC+02:00, Sheetal Kumar : > Dear all, > > Thanks to those who attended the call yesterday, it was great to speak to > you and hope you find it as productive as I did. > > Please find the notes and recording of the call at the top of the pad: > https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Bestbitscallfuture > > Best > Sheetal. > > On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 at 14:49, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote: > >> Dear Sheetal, >> Thanks for reminder. >> >> I will also join the meeting. >> >> Best Regards >> >> Imran Ahmed Shah >> >> On Monday, 5 August 2019, 16:52:08 GMT+5, Sheetal Kumar < >> sheetal at gp-digital.org> wrote: >> >> >> Dear all, >> >> This is just a polite reminder that we'll be having our call tomorrow, 06 >> August at 2 PM UTC. Please find the details below, I look forward to >> speaking to you then! >> >> Best >> Sheetal >> >> *Date and time:* 06 August, 2 PM UTC >> >> To join the call online, please click the green "join" button below and >> follow the on-screen prompts. To connect to audio, please click the "call >> using computer" button on the left hand side of the webex window. >> >> >> Bestbits closure and revived IGC: Next steps >> >> >> *6 Aug, 15:00* | 1 hr 30 min >> >> London (Western European Summer Time, GMT+01:00) >> >> Host: Global Partners Digital >> >> >> Join >> >> >> >> *Agenda:* >> 1) Closure of Bestbits: agreement on date and process >> 2) Moving to IGC: what is the current status? What is happening/what to >> expect? >> 3) Organisation of civil society day 0 event: discussion of timeline >> 4) AOB >> >> >> On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 at 00:55, Remmy Nweke wrote: >> >> Thanks Sheetal and all >> As much as I agree with bulk of the outlined summarised by you, there is >> need for IGC charter review and left for me to accommodate and harmonise >> thoughts on the new dispensation and could actually be a major task for >> new >> coordinators once after their election >> I wish us well in this efforts. >> Regards >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 12:11 PM Sheetal Kumar >> wrote: >> >> Dear all >> >> Apologies for the delay in responding - I've been away for a week and I >> trust you received my OOO. Reading through the comments, it seems to me >> there is more or less agreement on some things but less on others. In >> essence: >> >> - There seems to be agreement that reviving IGC is a good thing >> because there's a lot of work to be done by CS on important IG issues >> on >> the global agenda/at global forums >> - There's some agreement that merging BB with IGC would be a good way >> forward to accomplish that but concern that the appropriate process >> hasn't >> been followed within IGC, albeit there is disagreement about what that >> process would/could be >> - There's agreement that all documents, from both lists, should be >> preserved and centralised for easy access by all members >> - There support for organising a day 0 event at the IGF in Berlin >> - There's less agreement that there's a need to review the IGC >> Charter >> >> Hopefully this captures the conversation so far? >> >> I've also read the responses on the thread which includes Bestbits and >> although there are only a few responses there, combined with the views of >> those who attended the meeting at RightsCon, I think we can say that >> there >> is general support from the Bestbits list members for merging so far. >> >> As such, I'd suggest the following as a way forward, interested to hear >> what others think if you don't agree: >> >> - If there isn't agreement on the diagnosis of the problem, we can >> start the discussion anew. It's important we all agree on the premise >> we're >> working on, otherwise we'll move forward leaving people behind and >> just >> recreate the current situation again. Currently the diagnosis of those >> engaged, and the basis of those who attended the meeting at RightsCon, >> is >> that civil society working on IG issues is split/fragmented and >> therefore >> less effective than it could be. If anyone disagrees with this >> diagnosis, I >> think they should express this on the thread with Bestbits included >> - If anyone is against the merger as a way of addressing this issue >> (i.e split/fragmentation as a key factor which explains our >> ineffectiveness) I think this should be expressed on the Bestbits >> thread >> too - mainly because of the general support for the idea of merging >> among >> members of both lists, and the main concern currently expressed about >> the >> merger being about process. Otherwise, the conversations will continue >> to >> be split and the current situation will be perpetuated. >> - If anyone is against the idea of reforming the Charter *in >> principle* >> they make that clear in the thread with Bestbits too - as there maybe >> Bestbits members who have opinions on that as well. This is just a >> conversation so if there is strong disagreement about reforming the >> Charter >> among anyone in either list, we could potentially agree not to reform >> it >> and revisit the idea in a year, for example. >> >> Unless there's disagreement, I'll send a reminder to the thread which >> includes Bestbits at the end of this week, and hopefully we can weave >> ourselves back together there? >> >> Best >> Sheetal >> >> On Mon, 17 Jun 2019 at 22:45, Anriette Esterhuysen >> wrote: >> >> Agree completely with you on this Milton. And as Farzi pointed out, of >> course we should preserve the documents on the Best Bits site, and the >> list >> archives. >> >> By the way, if anyone wants the archives of the IGC lists I have pretty >> complete records for 2009-2016. Probably earlier too but on a back-up >> drive >> somewhere. I also think that the list archive of the list when it was >> still >> hosted by APC is still available somewhere too. >> >> Anriette >> >> >> ----------------------------- >> Anriette Esterhuysen >> Senior advisor on internet governance, policy advocacy and strategic >> planning >> Association for Progressive >> Communicationsapc.orgafrisig.organriette at apc.org >> >> On 2019/06/17 23:08, Mueller, Milton L wrote: >> >> Really good point, Sheetal. >> >> But it is actually a substantive one. You have pointed out that there are >> divergent perceptions of the discussion, and this is happening because >> the >> lists are not integrated. >> >> >> >> So how can anyone seriously suggest that we do not need to merge these >> lists? How can anyone truly concerned with civil society influence favor >> maintaining this stupid barrier between the groups involved? >> >> >> >> --MM >> >> >> >> Dear all, >> >> >> >> Without wanting to weigh in on the substantive discussion being had here, >> I was just wondering if it was a purposeful decision to drop Bestbits in >> some of these replies. It seems there are two divergent perceptions of >> the >> discussion happening. Happy for IGC to have its discussion but at some >> point, those on Bestbits who are not on IGC will need to be updated as I >> believe there are some Bestbits members who have only seen one side of >> the >> conversation. Otherwise, I'm happy to loop Bestbits back in, and share >> the >> conversation that has already happened? >> >> >> >> Best >> >> Sheetal. >> >> >> >> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 11:03, Carolina Rossini >> >> wrote: >> >> I did not say anybody was suggesting anything. It was just a reminder. >> >> Tks >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 9:42 AM farzaneh badii >> wrote: >> >> >> >> @Carolina (Hello!) I don't think anyone here is suggesting that BestBits >> documents, materials etc will not be preserved. It is only a matter of >> how >> we should preserve them when we carry out the merge. (Jeremy has been >> wanting to transfer the domain name for the past I think around 3 years, >> no one wants to take over, so we definitely need a plan), we can for >> example decide on having the materials stored on future IGC website. >> >> >> >> As to changes to the IGC charter, as Sheetal explained and it is in the >> proposal, the changes are going to be lightweight but if IGC charter >> recommends a process for amendment, then we should follow that. I still >> support forming a small group to look into these issues and let us know >> how >> we should proceed. Even if we don't agree to change the charter, we can >> consider what new features IGC should possess in order to address the >> needs >> of its members and those members that are migrating from BestBits and >> generally more engagement with IG processes. >> >> >> >> As to the poll among BestBits members, that is something you need to >> discuss with BestBits. Just a reminder that both groups have been in my >> opinion briefed and engaged with the conversation. We did not just have a >> meeting with 11 members. Since December 2018, IGC and BestBits held >> meetings about this, a survey was taken to see what BestBits members >> think >> (the average attendance in those meetings was something like 15 members, >> Sheetal shared a comprehensive result of the survey). >> >> >> >> @Sala thank you for your kind words. I believe in collective action and >> am >> glad that you found the briefings and reports useful. InternetNZ's help >> was >> crucial in making that happen. >> >> >> >> Christchurch call was one instance when the civil society got together >> and >> showed its depth of expertise and knowledge about Internet governance >> issues. So we definitely can get it together and act collectively. It's >> just a matter of how, which I am sure we solve if we keep at it and have >> these conversations. >> >> >> >> >> >> Farzaneh >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 3:42 AM Carolina Rossini < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >> I disagree with you Ian. A pool is needed among the BB members. There are >> more than 11. >> >> >> >> And for the BB folks, and it’s is not only the mailing list. BB site has >> a >> lot of good material and statements that should be captured and saved. >> >> >> >> Sorry I could not make to the meeting. You can only imagine how busy I >> am. >> >> >> >> Tks Sheetal for moving this forward with all the delicate and sensitive >> touch it does deserve. >> >> >> >> C >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 5:20 AM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >> ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: >> >> No poll needed. Best Bits closes down (their call). Former members join >> IGC individually. End of story. >> >> >> >> >> >> But fixing the IGC constitution (a later step) is more complex as Sala >> points out. >> >> >> >> Ian. >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> >> From: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" >> >> To: "Sheetal Kumar" >> >> Cc: "Bakhtiyor Avezdjanov" ; "Lee W McKnight" < >> lmcknigh at syr.edu>; "Tapani Tarvainen" ; >> "Sivasubramanian M" <6.Internet at gmail.com>; "Akinremi Peter Taiwo" < >> compsoftnet at gmail.com>; "governance" >> >> Sent: 14/06/2019 11:40:49 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [governance] The proposal for closing Bestbits and merging >> with IGC + next steps (was "Follow-on from survey on the future of >> Bestbits: next steps") >> >> >> >> The IGC usually takes a poll led by elected co-coordinators to determine >> consensus. If post discussion and debate, consensusnis reached to merge >> then by all means. >> >> >> >> Nobody speaks for the IGC unless there is consensus, if you want to >> change >> the Charter, then there is a process to follow. It is meant to protect >> us. >> Members of Best Bits are members of the IGC anyway unless they left or >> unsubscribed. >> >> >> >> One of the challenges, I have seen is the loss of important IGC data from >> the old servers. Every organsiation has to evolve, advance but this has >> to >> be based on consensus, and papers for and against, proper discussion and >> debate. From the outset, all I have seen is a presumption where the IGC >> has >> been forcibly roped into discussing mergers without the consensus. >> >> >> >> The co-coordinators have not set a strategic pathway for engagement in >> key >> international fora as the IGC in the HLP session although I was to see >> great geographical representation by some members of the IGC in the.forum >> in their individual capacity. >> >> >> >> I would also like to see the IGC working with the World Economic Forum >> etc >> and participating in the UN New York meetings, although some members >> participate in their organisational capacity. It is also significant that >> UNDESA reviews the global SDG projects and has a >> monitoring/evaluation/audit type role which it uses to review and report >> back to the UNGA. >> >> >> >> On another separate, note, whilst Arden (bless her heart), and others >> have >> been royally pissed about making a dent in how global MNCs like Facebook >> behave in crisis, these are not new issues as they are.similar to >> historical discussion on the list about Brits imposing a temporary ban >> over >> a certain radius of the London bombing just as the Egyptians and others >> have done during times of national security. The Tech Accord which >> represents the committment and negotiations between MNCs, Tech Giants and >> some government reps as was shared by the former French Ambassador on >> Cyber >> affairs and others, it is on a transcript at a main session from last >> year. >> >> >> >> The most New Zealand can do is impose a law in New Zealand against these >> giants. Facebook's Mia in NZ who is based in the Sydney officer and >> global >> public policy counterparts have alot of work on their hands. >> >> >> >> One view is that the threat to freedom of expression (which the IGC has >> always talked about is no respecter of whether you are from the East, >> West, >> South, North. The principles are well established in International law >> and >> Frank La Rue's report to the UN General Assembly which was endorsed is >> relevant. On the other hand, threats that Jeremy Malcolm and others have >> been raising on wordings and semantics on child pornography by a UN >> Drafting.committee show an example of new and emergent threats. >> >> >> >> Personally, even if Arden takes it to the UN, the UN is obliged and >> mandated not to duplicate work that is already done and to this end, the >> UN >> Secretary General's foresight in appointing the HLP and launching the >> report is key as geopolitical tensions are further heightened. I have yet >> to read the full HLP report, but if it is missing a FoX compoment, then a >> letter to the Co-Chairs, the UN Secretary General.may the faster non >> bureaucratic way to get traction. >> >> >> >> What giants like Facebook would fear is being broken up for regulation! >> Frankly Macron is hated in France just as Trump is hated in the US for >> imposing taxes. >> >> >> >> It would be great for the IGC to host and convene a panel to explore >> this. >> I would recommend Bertrand from Internet Jurisdiction to co facilitate >> and >> moderate a geographically diverse panel and a representative from the >> Geneva Internet Platform. I know Bertrand is speaking at a European Court >> of Human Rights with others. >> >> >> >> We need to take a step back and reflect as a community how we want to >> engage. We cannot be reactive and we have to stay ahead of the curve. >> >> >> >> 2.36am so best be getting back to bed. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Sala >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> >> -- >> >> >> >> *Carolina Rossini * >> >> + 1 (617) 697 9389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini >> >> PGP ID: 0xEC81015C >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> >> -- >> >> >> >> *Carolina Rossini * >> >> + 1 (617) 697 9389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini >> >> PGP ID: 0xEC81015C >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> *Sheetal Kumar* >> >> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> >> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> >> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >> DD7F >> E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> >> List help: >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> *Sheetal Kumar* >> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> *Sheetal Kumar* >> Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL >> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL >> T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | >> PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 >> DD7F E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > > > -- > > > *Sheetal Kumar* > Programme Lead | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL > Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL > T: +44 (0)20 3 818 3258| M: +44 (0)7739569514 | > PGP ID: E592EFBBEAB1CF31 | PGP Fingerprint: F5D5 114D 173B E9E2 0603 DD7F > E592 EFBB EAB1 CF31| > -- ------------------------ **Arsène Tungali* * Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international *, CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC) GPG: 523644A0 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow < http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member Member. UN IGF MAG Member From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 7 11:53:28 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne?= Tungali (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 17:53:28 +0200 Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?Fwd=3A_=5BIGFmaglist=5D_Call_for_Feedback_?= =?UTF-8?Q?to_the_High-Level_Panel_on_=E2=80=8EDigital_Cooperation_Report?= =?UTF-8?Q?=27s_Recommendation_5_and_the_IGF_Plus_Model?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FYI ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Dear All, The the Call for Feedback to the High-Level Panel on ‎Digital Cooperation Report's Recommendation 5 and the IGF Plus Model is now open. https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/report-of-the-un-secretary-general’s-%E2%80%8Ehigh-level-panel-on-digital-cooperation The deadline for comments is September 30, 2019. The results of this call will act as an input into the Global Digital Cooperation Main Session on day 1 at the IGF 2019 meeting. I would be grateful if you could share the link with your respective constituencies. Best regards Chengetai From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 7 15:58:16 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Sylvain BAYA (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 20:58:16 +0100 Subject: [governance] Add the link of the mailinglist to the new website Message-ID: Hi all, Congrates to the volunteers who have worked hardly to bring back the website of the IGC. As the subject of this mail introduces, i suggest to add the link of the mailinglist : * To the current existant text on the home page of the website. * You should also add it here If my suggested change is applied, we shall have something similar to the following text on the home page instead :  ~•~ Welcome to the IGC website The policies that shape the Internet impact not only the development of the technologies themselves, but also the realization of internationally agreed human rights, social equity and interdependence, cultural concerns, and both social and economic development. Our vision is that Internet governance should be inclusive, people centered and development oriented. Our contributions to the various forums relevant to Internet governance, will strive to ensure an information society which better enables equal opportunity and freedom for all. Our mailinglist, , is the main place where we are discussing current (/and past/) Internet governance issues. You can quickly reach our mail archives, , for an overview of what have been already discussed on our midst... Please join us ! ~•~ Hope this could help. Shalom, --sb. -- Regards, Sylvain B. __ Website : Wiki : -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 0x0387408365AC8594.asc Type: application/pgp-keys Size: 4826 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As the subject of this mail introduces, i suggest to add the link of the mailinglist : * To the current existant text on the home page of the website. * You should also add it here If my suggested change is applied, we shall have something similar to the following text on the home page instead :  ~•~ Welcome to the IGC website The policies that shape the Internet impact not only the development of the technologies themselves, but also the realization of internationally agreed human rights, social equity and interdependence, cultural concerns, and both social and economic development. Our vision is that Internet governance should be inclusive, people centered and development oriented. Our contributions to the various forums relevant to Internet governance, will strive to ensure an information society which better enables equal opportunity and freedom for all. Our mailinglist, , is the main place where we are discussing current (and past) Internet governance issues. You can quickly reach our mail archives, , for an overview of what have been already discussed on our midst... Please join us ! ~•~ Hope this could help. Shalom, --sb. -- Regards, Sylvain B. __ Website : Wiki : -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Shalom, --sb. > Amali De Silva - Mitchell  > //  > > On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎August‎ ‎07‎, ‎2019‎ ‎12‎:‎59‎:‎34‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PDT, > Sylvain BAYA wrote: > > Hi all, > > Congrates to the volunteers who have worked hardly to bring back the > website of the IGC. > > As the subject of this mail introduces, i suggest to add the link of > the mailinglist : > * To the current existant text on the home page of the > website. > * You should also add it here > > > If my suggested change is applied, we shall have something similar to > the following text > on the home page instead :  > > [...] -- Regards, Sylvain B. __ Website : Wiki : -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 0x0387408365AC8594.asc Type: application/pgp-keys Size: 4826 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Aug 8 03:37:18 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 07:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Add the link of the mailinglist to the new website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <808960445.2678942.1565249838509@mail.yahoo.com> Dear Sylvain BAYA,Thanking you for reviewing the website and submitting your suggestions. > Our mailinglist, , is the main place where we are discussing current (and past) Internet governance issues Regarding the accessibility to the past discussion of the current mailing list, yes is it available since its creation date i.e. 29 Dec 2017. However, earlier discussion on our primary mailing list at IGCaucus.org is not available. So, do yu think the your suggested text enough of it has to be further elaborated? > You can quickly reach our mail archives, , for an overview of what have been already discussed on our midst... I suggest to shift these lines to Membership Page instead of Main Page. However, in order to mention the information about Mailing List and Mailing List Subscription option on the Website is subject to the response from the coordinator either is there any approval process required in between mailing list subscription or not (for spam filtering etc.). Best Regards Imran Ahmed Shah On Thursday, 8 August 2019, 00:59:33 GMT+5, Sylvain BAYA wrote: Hi all, Congrates to the volunteers who have worked hardly to bring back the website of the IGC. As the subject of this mail introduces, i suggest to add the link of the mailinglist : * To the current existant text on the home page of the website. * You should also add it here If my suggested change is applied, we shall have something similar to the following text on the home page instead :  ~•~ Welcome to the IGC website The policies that shape the Internet impact not only the development of the technologies themselves, but also the realization of internationally agreed human rights, social equity and interdependence, cultural concerns, and both social and economic development. Our vision is that Internet governance should be inclusive, people centered and development oriented. Our contributions to the various forums relevant to Internet governance, will strive to ensure an information society which better enables equal opportunity and freedom for all. Our mailinglist, , is the main place where we are discussing current (and past) Internet governance issues. You can quickly reach our mail archives, , for an overview of what have been already discussed on our midst... Please join us ! ~•~ Hope this could help. Shalom, --sb. -- Regards, Sylvain B. __ Website : Wiki : -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 819 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 0x0387408365AC8594.asc Type: application/pgp-keys Size: 4825 bytes Desc: not available URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Sat Aug 10 23:22:59 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 15:22:59 +1200 Subject: [governance] [Call for Consensus] Draft Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing 11th August 2019 draft] In-Reply-To: References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> <8E427261-30CD-482D-A80C-79E48E8220D7@orange.fr> <4C3E8DA0-A179-4FAF-B851-7220CB95AC48@post.harvard.edu> <4F1C7A2A-3B0B-4366-8BEF-ECB1724228DC@post.harvard.edu> <825086698.810134.1564922064544@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, 1. The following draft text which is also on the etherpad for over 72 hours for calls for changes in the text. This draft text is the result of diverse input rendered through the mailing list. 2. I can confirm that there was no activity on the etherpad and all suggestions and revisions occurred on the mailing list. 3. 10 hours before the conclusion of the 72 hours lapsed, I had written to Bruna to issue a call for consensus on the statement off list. 4. As a matter of background the first draft text was published on the mailing list on 1st August, 2019 and since there has been various input. 5. Whilst in setting the context, the statement is wide to highlight that many governments in the world are consciously persecuting freedom of expression and digital activists, the primary focus was Mr Huang Qi's position and to attempt to draw attention to his need to access legal counsel, medical services as was highlighted by the Committee to Protect Journalists, see here . 6. The US State Department had issued a Press Release on the 1st August, 2019, see here . 7. Our draft text is copied below, should you wish to compare the same. 8. Thank you to all those who contributed to the drafting and who suggested alternate text. 9. This is now publicly submitted to Bruna as outgoing co-coordinator to call for consensus. 10. The following Draft Text was placed on the list on the 5th August, 2019. 11. As I write this it is now 11th August, 2019 4:11am UK time and is now officially submitted for the Call for Consensus as per the Charter. > > *Proposed Revised Draft 5th August, 2019. [DRAFT TEXT ONLY]* > > (1) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus (IGC) is deeply concerned > by global trends of governments to abuse the "national security" exception > to trample on basic freedoms of expression particularly when these freedoms > are fundamentally linked to good governance and keeping governments > accountable. > > (2) From Venezuela's treatment of Luis Carlos Diaz and numerous other > journalists, United States of America's treatment of Edward Snowden and > Julian Assange, France's mistreatment of Taha Bouhafs, a reporter at French > news website *Là-bas Si J'y Suis, *allegedly assaulted whilst filming a > protest of undocumented workers and now the recent sentencing of Chinese > webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to 12 years in prison for > allegedly leaking state secrets when he was promoting accountability and > transparency and good governance. > > (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on governments to > aspire to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles > which was developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and > Principles within the Internet Governance Forum which is available on the > OHCHR website. > > (4) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights > Council this year. > > (5)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus would like to call on > China to recognise Mr Huang Qi's motivations to encourage good governance > where government officials do not abuse their roles. MrHuang Qi has been > recognised for his stellar journalism by Reporters Without Borders in 2004 > with the Cyber Freedom Prize. > > (6) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human > trafficking cases, over the years, the websitet has extended to reporting > on persons exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. > > (7) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to > the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to > corruption & human rights. > > (8) Mr Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong contributor society. > > (9)We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments. > > (10)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of > keeping government accountable to the people. > > (11)We note that the Committee to protect Journalists had reported that at > Mr Huang Qi's last imprisonment, he was denied medical treatment and has > serious health issues, such as kidney problems and tumours and denied legal > access. > > (12) It was also reported that he is being denied access to medical care > and legal counsel. > > (13)We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him > access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. > > (14)We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of > movement of his family and those who assisted him. > > (15)Furthermore, we call on governments to recognise that their > administration is for the people and not meant to be self serving at the > expense of innocent lives. > > (16)The freedom of journalists, media freedoms, freedom of expression are > necessary for a balanced society and to promote the rule of law. > > ENDS > > > > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 1:34 pm Imran Ahmed Shah, wrote: > > Dear All (IGC Members), > > With reference to the following proposal on the subject, an EhterPad link > is created for the joint collaboration and contribution efforts. Following > draft has also been copied there for your. The IGC CS Statement is > accessible through following URL Link: > > https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 > > This Etherpad is established on request form Sala, temporarily created on > RiseUp.net > > Thanking you and Best Regards > > Imran Ahmed Shah > > [for IGC WG for Website] > > P.S: > If you do not wish to mention your name, basic information or contribution > to be published, please use some abbreviation or alternate to your name, > and declare on the mailing list explicitly, that you do not want to mention > your basic information (Affiliation/ Organization, Email) anywhere. Please > also note that this workspace (Etherpad) and Mailing List both are publicly > accessible workspaces somehow. (Ref. IGC GDPR Compliance Policy Statement). > > WARNING: This "pad" is a collaborative document that can be edited by > anyone who has the URL. If you use an obvious name for the pad, it could be > guessed. > WARNING: This pad will be DELETED if 60 days go by with no edits. There is > NO WAY to recover the pad after this happens, so be careful! > > > On Sunday, 4 August 2019, 12:40:41 GMT+5, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > Further to the revised draft, I should add that he has advanced medical > conditions that require treatment, see: > > > https://cpj.org/2019/07/chinese-court-sentences-journalist-huang-qi-to-12-.php > > Sala > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:18 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear All, > > Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any changes as > this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the sentences for ease > of reference and when commenting on replacements, refer to sentence number > and suggest edits and revisions. > > *Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time]* > > > Proposed Revised Draft > > (1)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by the > sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to 12 > years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets when he was promoting > accountability and transparency and good governance. > > > (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights > Council this year. > > > (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to aspire > to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles which was > developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles within > the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the OHCHR website. > > > (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honoured by Reporters Without > Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. > > > (5) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human > trafficking cases, over the years, it has extended to reporting on persons > exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. > > > > (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing to > the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to > corruption & human rights. > > > (7) It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong > contributor to society. > > > > (8) We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international commitments > related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. > > > (9)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of > keeping government accountable to the people. > > > (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him > access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. > > > (11) We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of > movement of his family and those who assisted him. > > > > ENDS > > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 1:34 pm Imran Ahmed Shah, wrote: > >> Dear All (IGC Members), >> >> With reference to the following proposal on the subject, an EhterPad link >> is created for the joint collaboration and contribution efforts. Following >> draft has also been copied there for your. The IGC CS Statement is >> accessible through following URL Link: >> >> https://bit.ly/2Yr9o71 >> >> This Etherpad is established on request form Sala, temporarily created on >> RiseUp.net >> >> Thanking you and Best Regards >> >> Imran Ahmed Shah >> >> [for IGC WG for Website] >> >> P.S: >> If you do not wish to mention your name, basic information or >> contribution to be published, please use some abbreviation or alternate to >> your name, and declare on the mailing list explicitly, that you do not want >> to mention your basic information (Affiliation/ Organization, Email) >> anywhere. Please also note that this workspace (Etherpad) and Mailing List >> both are publicly accessible workspaces somehow. (Ref. IGC GDPR Compliance >> Policy Statement). >> >> WARNING: This "pad" is a collaborative document that can be edited by >> anyone who has the URL. If you use an obvious name for the pad, it could be >> guessed. >> WARNING: This pad will be DELETED if 60 days go by with no edits. There >> is NO WAY to recover the pad after this happens, so be careful! >> >> >> On Sunday, 4 August 2019, 12:40:41 GMT+5, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> Further to the revised draft, I should add that he has advanced medical >> conditions that require treatment, see: >> >> >> https://cpj.org/2019/07/chinese-court-sentences-journalist-huang-qi-to-12-.php >> >> Sala >> >> On Sun, 4 Aug 2019, 8:18 am Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro, < >> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear All, >> >> Kindly find a revised draft, please feel free to suggest any changes as >> this is still early drafting stages. I have numbered the sentences for ease >> of reference and when commenting on replacements, refer to sentence number >> and suggest edits and revisions. >> >> *Revised Draft 4th August, 2019 12:13am [Californian Time]* >> >> >> Proposed Revised Draft >> >> (1)The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus is deeply concerned by >> the sentencing of Chinese webmaster and human rights activist Huang Qi to >> 12 years in prison for allegedly leaking state secrets when he was >> promoting accountability and transparency and good governance. >> >> >> (2) We note that China is a member of the United Nations Human Rights >> Council this year. >> >> >> (3) The Civil Society Internet Governance Caucus calls on China to aspire >> to subscribe to the Charter of the Internet Rights and Principles which was >> developed by the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles within >> the Internet Governance Forum and is available on the OHCHR website. >> >> >> (4) We further note that Mr Huang Qi, was honoured by Reporters Without >> Borders in 2004 with the Cyber Freedom Prize. >> >> >> (5) Since setting up website, 64 Tianwang in 1998 to track human >> trafficking cases, over the years, it has extended to reporting on persons >> exploited by government officials and promoting good governance. >> >> >> >> (6) Mr Huang Qi has greatly strengthened China as a country by bringing >> to the foreground these good governance issues including but not limited to >> corruption & human rights. >> >> >> (7) It is our view that Huang Qi should be honoured as a strong >> contributor to society. >> >> >> >> (8) We urge the Chinese government to uphold its international >> commitments related to fair trial guarantees and the rule of law. >> >> >> (9)We call on China to recognize that Mr Huang’s actions are part of >> keeping government accountable to the people. >> >> >> (10) We call for the immediate release of Mr. Huang, and to allow him >> access to his family, medical care, and legal counsel as soon as possible. >> >> >> (11) We also call on China to end undue restrictions on the freedom of >> movement of his family and those who assisted him. >> >> >> >> ENDS >> >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > -- *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* *P. 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URL: From nb at bollow.ch Fri Aug 2 04:24:15 2019 From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 10:24:15 +0200 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 03:38:08 +0530 "Chaitanya Dhareshwar" (via governance Mailing List) wrote: > - A reasonable middle ground between sentencing (law) and honouring > commitment to free speech would be to give a Community Service > sentence I would strongly object to anything that calls anything a "reasonable middle ground" which is not fully in alignment with all human rights including the right to free speech. Greetings, Norbert From governance at lists.riseup.net Sat Aug 10 23:34:10 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 15:34:10 +1200 Subject: [governance] Overdue IGC Co-coordinator Elections and Request for Update on Website/ Was Re: Who are the IGC Co-coordinators? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear All, 1. On June 26, 2016, I had raised the issue of the need for URGENT elections to replace one of the vacancy that had raised from 2 years ago. 2. As I write this, there are now two coordinator vacancies and so the matter is almost URGENT. 3. Two months have lapsed and we still do not have clear Election timelines even though there were some great suggestions. 4. It is my view that there should be an urgent call for elections now to request the community to send in their Expression of Interest. 5. Even if we wait for November to hold the elections, there has to be an open call for Expression of Interest and platform for elections set up. 6. If we are to make the IGC fully functional and activated, then we have to suggest some really good candidates who have some institutional memory and are energetic and willing to work with another coordinator to lead the IGC. 7. There was no migration of the website done following the call and subsequent appointment of Akinremi Peter but in 2019, a team of volunteers including Akinremi Peter have managed to restore the archived website, thanks to Jeremy's donation and Imran's heavy lifting and the wider team's input. 8. It is my recommendation that the root details are transferred from Akinremi Peter for the website to Imran or a former co-coordinator. 9. The website that was restored is basic archives and nothing new. 10. It was our hope that following the elections that a call can be made under the direction of the coordinators to the Working Group to open call for improvements to the website on matters of content and other things. Trusting that the matter is resolved. Kind Regards, Sala On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 2:13 AM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > > 1. It would appear from a copy of the email to the IGC Mailing list > that one of our co-coordinator's (Arsene) term would have lapsed last year > in December, 2018 where the elections for a new co-coordinator should have > been held to ensure rotation. IC co-coordinators serve for a term of 2 > years. Arsene was elected and began serving in March 2016 following the > February 2016 elections facilitated by Analia. > 2. Bruna and Arsene should have started the Open Call for candidates > in December and held the elections by February 2019. > 3. The co-coordinators have been working with the community on > migrating the content as you can see from the email below of April 27, 2017 > and preparing a new website. The website mentioned in that email was > www.igcaucus.org Moreover, on September, 2016, Arsene had informed the > IGC that whilst he had received 3 statement of interests to do the website, > he had accepted Akinremi Peter. In essence work on the website would have > been from September 2016 and onwards. > 4. Kindly advise what the new website is and whether the migration of > content was completed. > 5. An election should be held immediately to replace the vacancy that > currently exists. I would encourage energetic and committed members to > apply (looking at *Sheetal* and *Farzaneh*) and non-discriminately > encouraging others too. > 6. An update should be sent to all members about the status of the > IGC, and strategic framework for engagement within the IGF, WEF, WTO and > diverse fora. > 7. There have been some content about a rudderless IGC and we have to > encourage Bruna to get on with it as per the Charter and provide an update. > Should any of the co-coordinators need assistance there are many past > coordinators who can give advice offline. > 8. There is need to align the IGC to the Charter and if the Charter > needs changing and leadership needs revamping so be it! > > Sincerely, > Sala > > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Arsène Tungali > Date: Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:07 AM > Subject: [governance] New IGC Co-coordinator: Nominations open until May > 10th! > To: Internet Governance > > > Dear colleagues, > > > It is time to elect a new Co-coordinator for the Caucus, to replace Analía > who has already completed her two-year term, and to work with me (Arsene). > As you know, the IGC is operating with two volunteers called > “Co-coordinators”. > > > I would like to send my apologies for the time it took me to quick start > this process; as you know, we have been busy with migrating our server but > also I informed that I will be launching this once we have submitted our > workshop proposal to the upcoming IGF (which we did today). This is an > usual process and I beg you to bear with me. You will remember I did launch > this call while we were still working on the server but so many of you only > saw it later on when the system was restored back. > > > We invite members of the IGC to nominate candidates (please check with > them first about their willingness to serve), or to nominate themselves as > Co-coordinator to serve for 2 years, from 2017-2019. All you need to do is > to send TO THE LIST your statement of interest (in the body of an email and > attached in a .doc file) with the following elements: > > - Your full name > > - Your country of origin and of residence > > - Anything we need to know about your work/involvement with > IGC/IGF/Civil Society activities. (200 words max) > > - Why do you think you can be a good Co-coordinator for the IGC? > (Max 200 words) > > - What’s your vision for the IGC during your term if elected? > Pick up to 3 current issues we face in the group that you will consider as > priority during your first year. (Max 200 words) > > > The nomination period will be open until midnight UTC on May 10th, > 2017. After this date, we will circulate a resume of candidate's profiles > and enable a voting link to all IGC members in order to elect our new > co-coordinator. > > > You can check duties and responsibilities on our website (www.igcaucus.org > ) > > I do encourage all of you who wish to have a > different experience with international advocacy or Internet public policy > issues to consider applying. Also, we need to revitalize our group so we > need someone very dynamic that will bring a push to support me. > > > Kind regards, > > Arsene > > IGC Co-coordinator > > > ------------------------ > **Arsène Tungali* * > Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international > *, > CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, *Mabingwa Forum > * > Tel: +243 993810967 > GPG: 523644A0 > *Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo* > > 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow > (YALI) > - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil > > & Mexico > > ) - AFRISIG 2016 - > Blogger - ICANN Fellow (Los Angeles > & Marrakech > > ). AFRINIC Fellow (Mauritius > > )* - *IGFSA Member - Internet Governance - > Internet Freedom. > > Check the 2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC report > > To unsubscribe from this list, click here: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/sympa/auto_signoff/governance/salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro%40gmail.com > > > > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 4:33 AM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear Bruna, Arsene, >> >> Thank you such a relief.Can you advise when (dates) in which you were >> both elected? Basically month and year. >> >> On another note, Sheetal and Farzaneh have raised issues that deserve >> discussion. >> >> Notably in the threads, there have been links provided on archived info >> so hoping you can consolidate and advise us what our current site is. >> >> Have you made an open call to the community to map areas of participation >> etc? >> >> Kind Regards, >> Sala >> >> On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 5:33 pm Bruna Martins dos Santos, < >> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear Sala, >>> >>> Right now the co-coordinators are Arsene Tungali and myself. >>> >>> Best, >>> Bruna >>> >>> On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 17:21 "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro", < >>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> Can someone advise me who the co-coordinators are? >>>> >>>> Many thanks, >>>> Sala >>>> --- >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> List help: >>>> >>> > > -- > > *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* > > *P. O. Box 17862* > > *Suva* > > > *Republic of Fiji* > > *Cell: +679 7656770; * > > *Home: +679 3362003* > *Twitter: @SalanietaT* > > > > > *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the > greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* > > -- *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* *P. O. Box 17862* *Suva* *Republic of Fiji* *Cell: +679 7656770; * *Home: +679 3362003* *Twitter: @SalanietaT* *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Aug 12 00:02:23 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 01:02:23 -0300 Subject: [governance] Overdue IGC Co-coordinator Elections and Request for Update on Website/ Was Re: Who are the IGC Co-coordinators? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Sala, Thank you for your email. I very much appreciate your interest in helping us put IGC back together and all the efforts you have done so far. Our caucus has come a long way with the website so far - that obviously needs some improvements - but you have to agree with me that for a start the website looks pretty good. On the matter of the elections, I think you can see on the lists that there was some consensus for hosting elections ASAP, meaning this month or at the beginning of september by the latest. At the same email in which I listed my agreement with the propositions we had from our members - 1. hosting elections asap; 2. that the elections would be applicable to both co-coordinator slots; and 3. One of the terms would be for only one year just so we can have the co-coordinator slots opening in different dates in future elections; - you might have seen that I also asked for help from our members in order to help me develop a proper election process. And what to I mean with that? (a) We need to assess which members have voting rights as of now; (b) we need some system for voters check-in and (c) we also need a tally system thats trustworthy and auditable. Unfortunately, the amount of information shared on the list lead us to another discussion regarding membership approval if Im not mistaken. But either way...I would like to - once again - mention to you and the others that YES, IGC is hosting elections soon and for the two slots of co-coordinators. I shall be able to get back to the list with an election timeline by the end of the week. Additionally, in case anyone wants to help sort the issues related to tally, check-in and so on, your help is more than welcome. Best Regards, Bruna Santos Le dim. 11 août 2019 à 00:33, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> a écrit : > Dear All, > > > 1. On June 26, 2016, I had raised the issue of the need for URGENT > elections to replace one of the vacancy that had raised from 2 years ago. > 2. As I write this, there are now two coordinator vacancies and so the > matter is almost URGENT. > 3. Two months have lapsed and we still do not have clear Election > timelines even though there were some great suggestions. > 4. It is my view that there should be an urgent call for elections now > to request the community to send in their Expression of Interest. > 5. Even if we wait for November to hold the elections, there has to be > an open call for Expression of Interest and platform for elections set up. > 6. If we are to make the IGC fully functional and activated, then we > have to suggest some really good candidates who have some institutional > memory and are energetic and willing to work with another coordinator to > lead the IGC. > 7. There was no migration of the website done following the call and > subsequent appointment of Akinremi Peter but in 2019, a team of volunteers > including Akinremi Peter have managed to restore the archived website, > thanks to Jeremy's donation and Imran's heavy lifting and the wider team's > input. > 8. It is my recommendation that the root details are transferred from > Akinremi Peter for the website to Imran or a former co-coordinator. > 9. The website that was restored is basic archives and nothing new. > 10. It was our hope that following the elections that a call can be > made under the direction of the coordinators to the Working Group to open > call for improvements to the website on matters of content and other things. > > Trusting that the matter is resolved. > > Kind Regards, > Sala > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 2:13 AM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> >> 1. It would appear from a copy of the email to the IGC Mailing list >> that one of our co-coordinator's (Arsene) term would have lapsed last year >> in December, 2018 where the elections for a new co-coordinator should have >> been held to ensure rotation. IC co-coordinators serve for a term of 2 >> years. Arsene was elected and began serving in March 2016 following the >> February 2016 elections facilitated by Analia. >> 2. Bruna and Arsene should have started the Open Call for candidates >> in December and held the elections by February 2019. >> 3. The co-coordinators have been working with the community on >> migrating the content as you can see from the email below of April 27, 2017 >> and preparing a new website. The website mentioned in that email was >> www.igcaucus.org Moreover, on September, 2016, Arsene had informed >> the IGC that whilst he had received 3 statement of interests to do the >> website, he had accepted Akinremi Peter. In essence work on the website >> would have been from September 2016 and onwards. >> 4. Kindly advise what the new website is and whether the migration of >> content was completed. >> 5. An election should be held immediately to replace the vacancy that >> currently exists. I would encourage energetic and committed members to >> apply (looking at *Sheetal* and *Farzaneh*) and non-discriminately >> encouraging others too. >> 6. An update should be sent to all members about the status of the >> IGC, and strategic framework for engagement within the IGF, WEF, WTO and >> diverse fora. >> 7. There have been some content about a rudderless IGC and we have to >> encourage Bruna to get on with it as per the Charter and provide an update. >> Should any of the co-coordinators need assistance there are many past >> coordinators who can give advice offline. >> 8. There is need to align the IGC to the Charter and if the Charter >> needs changing and leadership needs revamping so be it! >> >> Sincerely, >> Sala >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Arsène Tungali >> Date: Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:07 AM >> Subject: [governance] New IGC Co-coordinator: Nominations open until May >> 10th! >> To: Internet Governance >> >> >> Dear colleagues, >> >> >> It is time to elect a new Co-coordinator for the Caucus, to replace >> Analía who has already completed her two-year term, and to work with me >> (Arsene). As you know, the IGC is operating with two volunteers called >> “Co-coordinators”. >> >> >> I would like to send my apologies for the time it took me to quick start >> this process; as you know, we have been busy with migrating our server but >> also I informed that I will be launching this once we have submitted our >> workshop proposal to the upcoming IGF (which we did today). This is an >> usual process and I beg you to bear with me. You will remember I did launch >> this call while we were still working on the server but so many of you only >> saw it later on when the system was restored back. >> >> >> We invite members of the IGC to nominate candidates (please check with >> them first about their willingness to serve), or to nominate themselves as >> Co-coordinator to serve for 2 years, from 2017-2019. All you need to do is >> to send TO THE LIST your statement of interest (in the body of an email and >> attached in a .doc file) with the following elements: >> >> - Your full name >> >> - Your country of origin and of residence >> >> - Anything we need to know about your work/involvement with >> IGC/IGF/Civil Society activities. (200 words max) >> >> - Why do you think you can be a good Co-coordinator for the >> IGC? (Max 200 words) >> >> - What’s your vision for the IGC during your term if elected? >> Pick up to 3 current issues we face in the group that you will consider as >> priority during your first year. (Max 200 words) >> >> >> The nomination period will be open until midnight UTC on May 10th, >> 2017. After this date, we will circulate a resume of candidate's profiles >> and enable a voting link to all IGC members in order to elect our new >> co-coordinator. >> >> >> You can check duties and responsibilities on our website ( >> www.igcaucus.org) >> >> I do encourage all of you who wish to have >> a different experience with international advocacy or Internet public >> policy issues to consider applying. Also, we need to revitalize our group >> so we need someone very dynamic that will bring a push to support me. >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Arsene >> >> IGC Co-coordinator >> >> >> ------------------------ >> **Arsène Tungali* * >> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >> *, >> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, *Mabingwa Forum >> * >> Tel: +243 993810967 >> GPG: 523644A0 >> *Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo* >> >> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow >> (YALI) >> - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil >> >> & Mexico >> >> ) - AFRISIG 2016 - >> Blogger - ICANN Fellow (Los Angeles >> & Marrakech >> >> ). AFRINIC Fellow (Mauritius >> >> )* - *IGFSA Member - Internet Governance - >> Internet Freedom. >> >> Check the 2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC report >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, click here: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/sympa/auto_signoff/governance/salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 4:33 AM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear Bruna, Arsene, >>> >>> Thank you such a relief.Can you advise when (dates) in which you were >>> both elected? Basically month and year. >>> >>> On another note, Sheetal and Farzaneh have raised issues that deserve >>> discussion. >>> >>> Notably in the threads, there have been links provided on archived info >>> so hoping you can consolidate and advise us what our current site is. >>> >>> Have you made an open call to the community to map areas of >>> participation etc? >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> Sala >>> >>> On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 5:33 pm Bruna Martins dos Santos, < >>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Sala, >>>> >>>> Right now the co-coordinators are Arsene Tungali and myself. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Bruna >>>> >>>> On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 17:21 "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro", < >>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear All, >>>>> >>>>> Can someone advise me who the co-coordinators are? >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks, >>>>> Sala >>>>> --- >>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>> List help: >>>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> >> *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* >> >> *P. O. Box 17862* >> >> *Suva* >> >> >> *Republic of Fiji* >> >> *Cell: +679 7656770; * >> >> *Home: +679 3362003* >> *Twitter: @SalanietaT* >> >> >> >> >> *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the >> greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* >> >> > > -- > > *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* > > *P. O. Box 17862* > > *Suva* > > > *Republic of Fiji* > > *Cell: +679 7656770; * > > *Home: +679 3362003* > *Twitter: @SalanietaT* > > > > > *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the > greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* > > -- *Bruna Martins dos Santos * Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Mon Aug 12 00:35:42 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 04:35:42 +0000 Subject: [governance] Overdue IGC Co-coordinator Elections and Request for Update on Website/ Was Re: Who are the IGC Co-coordinators? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bruna, I agree with all the points you raise as regards 1. asap 2. elect 2 cocos 3. one one year term, one 2 year term As regards voting etc - the process outlined in the charter is that everyone who has been on the mailing list for 2 months gets an invitation to vote - so that's easy to organise and nothing to discuss really. Everyone as part of the process then needs to affirm they are civil society in the process of lodging a vote, and that process of voting makes them a member. So it's pretty simple really and nothing much we need to do to prepare. I am confident the tech team can look after the logistics, and I am happy to assist and make sure the process, voting etc is credible. My suggestion is you appoint two scrutineers to manage the voting process, announce results etc. They of course should not be candidates. I am happy to be one of those scrutineeers. Happy to discuss more detailed logistics suggestions witth you off list. Ian Peter ------ Original Message ------ From: "Bruna Martins dos Santos" To: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" Cc: "governance" Sent: 12/08/2019 2:02:23 PM Subject: Re: [governance] Overdue IGC Co-coordinator Elections and Request for Update on Website/ Was Re: Who are the IGC Co-coordinators? >Dear Sala, > >Thank you for your email. I very much appreciate your interest in >helping us put IGC back together and all the efforts you have done so >far. Our caucus has come a long way with the website so far - that >obviously needs some improvements - but you have to agree with me that >for a start the website looks pretty good. > >On the matter of the elections, I think you can see on the lists that >there was some consensus for hosting elections ASAP, meaning this month >or at the beginning of september by the latest. At the same email in >which I listed my agreement with the propositions we had from our >members - 1. hosting elections asap; 2. that the elections would be >applicable to both co-coordinator slots; and 3. One of the terms would >be for only one year just so we can have the co-coordinator slots >opening in different dates in future elections; - you might have seen >that I also asked for help from our members in order to help me develop >a proper election process. > >And what to I mean with that? (a) We need to assess which members have >voting rights as of now; (b) we need some system for voters check-in >and (c) we also need a tally system thats trustworthy and auditable. >Unfortunately, the amount of information shared on the list lead us to >another discussion regarding membership approval if Im not mistaken. > >But either way...I would like to - once again - mention to you and the >others that YES, IGC is hosting elections soon and for the two slots of >co-coordinators. I shall be able to get back to the list with an >election timeline by the end of the week. > >Additionally, in case anyone wants to help sort the issues related to >tally, check-in and so on, your help is more than welcome. > >Best Regards, >Bruna Santos > >Le dim. 11 août 2019 à 00:33, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro > a écrit : >>Dear All, >> >>On June 26, 2016, I had raised the issue of the need for URGENT >>elections to replace one of the vacancy that had raised from 2 years >>ago. >>As I write this, there are now two coordinator vacancies and so the >>matter is almost URGENT.Two months have lapsed and we still do not >>have clear Election timelines even though there were some great >>suggestions.It is my view that there should be an urgent call for >>elections now to request the community to send in their Expression of >>Interest.Even if we wait for November to hold the elections, there has >>to be an open call for Expression of Interest and platform for >>elections set up.If we are to make the IGC fully functional and >>activated, then we have to suggest some really good candidates who >>have some institutional memory and are energetic and willing to work >>with another coordinator to lead the IGC.There was no migration of the >>website done following the call and subsequent appointment of Akinremi >>Peter but in 2019, a team of volunteers including Akinremi Peter have >>managed to restore the archived website, thanks to Jeremy's donation >>and Imran's heavy lifting and the wider team's input.It is my >>recommendation that the root details are transferred from Akinremi >>Peter for the website to Imran or a former co-coordinator.The website >>that was restored is basic archives and nothing new.It was our hope >>that following the elections that a call can be made under the >>direction of the coordinators to the Working Group to open call for >>improvements to the website on matters of content and other things. >>Trusting that the matter is resolved. >> >>Kind Regards, >>Sala >>On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 2:13 AM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >> wrote: >>>Dear Colleagues, >>> >>>It would appear from a copy of the email to the IGC Mailing list that >>>one of our co-coordinator's (Arsene) term would have lapsed last year >>>in December, 2018 where the elections for a new co-coordinator should >>>have been held to ensure rotation. IC co-coordinators serve for a >>>term of 2 years. Arsene was elected and began serving in March 2016 >>>following the February 2016 elections facilitated by Analia.Bruna and >>>Arsene should have started the Open Call for candidates in December >>>and held the elections by February 2019. The co-coordinators have >>>been working with the community on migrating the content as you can >>>see from the email below of April 27, 2017 and preparing a new >>>website. The website mentioned in that email was www.igcaucus.org >>>Moreover, on September, 2016, Arsene had informed the IGC that whilst >>>he had received 3 statement of interests to do the website, he had >>>accepted Akinremi Peter. In essence work on the website would have >>>been from September 2016 and onwards.Kindly advise what the new >>>website is and whether the migration of content was completed.An >>>election should be held immediately to replace the vacancy that >>>currently exists. I would encourage energetic and committed members >>>to apply (looking at Sheetal and Farzaneh) and non-discriminately >>>encouraging others too.An update should be sent to all members about >>>the status of the IGC, and strategic framework for engagement within >>>the IGF, WEF, WTO and diverse fora.There have been some content about >>>a rudderless IGC and we have to encourage Bruna to get on with it as >>>per the Charter and provide an update. Should any of the >>>co-coordinators need assistance there are many past coordinators who >>>can give advice offline.There is need to align the IGC to the Charter >>>and if the Charter needs changing and leadership needs revamping so >>>be it! >>>Sincerely, >>>Sala >>> >>> >>> >>>---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>From: Arsène Tungali >>>Date: Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:07 AM >>>Subject: [governance] New IGC Co-coordinator: Nominations open until >>>May 10th! >>>To: Internet Governance >>> >>> >>>Dear colleagues, >>> >>> >>> >>>It is time to elect a new Co-coordinator for the Caucus, to replace >>>Analía who has already completed her two-year term, and to work with >>>me (Arsene). As you know, the IGC is operating with two volunteers >>>called “Co-coordinators”. >>> >>> >>> >>>I would like to send my apologies for the time it took me to quick >>>start this process; as you know, we have been busy with migrating our >>>server but also I informed that I will be launching this once we have >>>submitted our workshop proposal to the upcoming IGF (which we did >>>today). This is an usual process and I beg you to bear with me. You >>>will remember I did launch this call while we were still working on >>>the server but so many of you only saw it later on when the system >>>was restored back. >>> >>> >>> >>>We invite members of the IGC to nominate candidates (please check >>>with them first about their willingness to serve), or to nominate >>>themselves as Co-coordinator to serve for 2 years, from 2017-2019. >>>All you need to do is to send TO THE LIST your statement of interest >>>(in the body of an email and attached in a .doc file) with the >>>following elements: >>> >>>- Your full name >>> >>>- Your country of origin and of residence >>> >>>- Anything we need to know about your work/involvement with >>>IGC/IGF/Civil Society activities. (200 words max) >>> >>>- Why do you think you can be a good Co-coordinator for the >>>IGC? (Max 200 words) >>> >>>- What’s your vision for the IGC during your term if >>>elected? Pick up to 3 current issues we face in the group that you >>>will consider as priority during your first year. (Max 200 words) >>> >>> >>> >>>The nomination period will be open until midnight UTC on May 10th, >>>2017. After this date, we will circulate a resume of candidate's >>>profiles and enable a voting link to all IGC members in order to >>>elect our new co-coordinator. >>> >>> >>> >>>You can check duties and responsibilities on our website >>>(www.igcaucus.org) >>> >>>I do encourage all of you who wish to >>>have a different experience with international advocacy or Internet >>>public policy issues to consider applying. Also, we need to >>>revitalize our group so we need someone very dynamic that will bring >>>a push to support me. >>> >>> >>> >>>Kind regards, >>> >>>Arsene >>> >>>IGC Co-coordinator >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------ >>>*Arsène Tungali * >>>Co-Founder & Executive Director, Rudi international >>>, >>>CEO, Smart Services Sarl , Mabingwa Forum >>> >>>Tel: +243 993810967 >>>GPG: 523644A0 >>>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo >>> >>>2015 Mandela Washington Felllow >>> >>>(YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil >>> >>>& Mexico >>>) >>>- AFRISIG 2016 - >>>Blogger - ICANN Fellow (Los Angeles >>> & Marrakech >>>). >>>AFRINIC Fellow (Mauritius >>>) >>>- IGFSA Member - Internet Governance - >>>Internet Freedom. >>> >>>Check the 2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC report >>> >>>To unsubscribe from this list, click here: >>>http://lists.igcaucus.org/sympa/auto_signoff/governance/salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 4:33 AM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro >>> wrote: >>>>Dear Bruna, Arsene, >>>> >>>>Thank you such a relief.Can you advise when (dates) in which you >>>>were both elected? Basically month and year. >>>> >>>>On another note, Sheetal and Farzaneh have raised issues that >>>>deserve discussion. >>>> >>>>Notably in the threads, there have been links provided on archived >>>>info so hoping you can consolidate and advise us what our current >>>>site is. >>>> >>>>Have you made an open call to the community to map areas of >>>>participation etc? >>>> >>>>Kind Regards, >>>>Sala >>>> >>>>On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 5:33 pm Bruna Martins dos Santos, >>>> wrote: >>>>>Dear Sala, >>>>> >>>>>Right now the co-coordinators are Arsene Tungali and myself. >>>>> >>>>>Best, >>>>>Bruna >>>>> >>>>>On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 17:21 "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro", >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>Dear All, >>>>>> >>>>>>Can someone advise me who the co-coordinators are? >>>>>> >>>>>>Many thanks, >>>>>>Sala >>>>>>--- >>>>>>To unsubscribe: >>>>>>List help: >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T >>>P. O. Box 17862 >>>Suva >>>Republic of Fiji >>> >>>Cell: +679 7656770; >>>Home: +679 3362003 >>>Twitter: @SalanietaT >>> >>> >>>"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the >>>greatest quality of the mind next to honour." >>> >>>Aristotle >>> >> >> >>-- >>Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T >>P. O. Box 17862 >>Suva >>Republic of Fiji >> >>Cell: +679 7656770; >>Home: +679 3362003 >>Twitter: @SalanietaT >> >> >>"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the >>greatest quality of the mind next to honour." >> >>Aristotle >> > > >-- >Bruna Martins dos Santos > >Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >@boomartins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Aug 12 04:29:27 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:29:27 +1200 Subject: [governance] Overdue IGC Co-coordinator Elections and Request for Update on Website/ Was Re: Who are the IGC Co-coordinators? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Bruna, Comments are inline: On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:02 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > Dear Sala, > > Thank you for your email. I very much appreciate your interest in helping > us put IGC back together and all the efforts you have done so far. Our > caucus has come a long way with the website so far - that obviously needs > some improvements - but you have to agree with me that for a start the > website looks pretty good. > Not to take away from the Team efforts in restoring the archives, that was pretty basic and the information already existed. It has been overdue since 2017 but it's good that it is restored. > > On the matter of the elections, I think you can see on the lists that there > was some consensus for hosting elections ASAP, meaning this month or at the > beginning of september by the latest. > Yes, there is consensus on holding the elections ASAP. There is no point in discussion coordination outside of the IGC before we tie up our loose ends and get our Caucus in order. > At the same email in which I listed my agreement with the propositions we > had from our members - 1. hosting elections asap; 2. that the elections > would be applicable to both co-coordinator slots; and 3. One of the terms > would be for only one year just so we can have the co-coordinator slots > opening in different dates in future elections; - you might have seen that > I also asked for help from our members in order to help me develop a proper > election process. > > Fantastic, yes, sorry I must have missed the email asking for help. As Ian mentioned the website technical team except for those who may wish to stand for elections will help. The system is automated so ballots are automatically tallied but we will need auditors and as Ian has volunteered. Suggest we get 1 or 2 more for accountability. > And what to I mean with that? (a) We need to assess which members have > voting rights as of now; (b) we need some system for voters check-in and > (c) we also need a tally system thats trustworthy and auditable. > Unfortunately, the amount of information shared on the list lead us to > another discussion regarding membership approval if Im not mistaken. > This is easy and all automated and the logins would all be online and timestamped, no issue here. The election guidelines are in the Charter and any of the former coordinators or technical people can assist. New members cannot vote unless they have been with us for over two months. You do not wait for the caucus to tell you when to hold the elections. As a co-coordinator you just get on with it, we have wasted too much time already. > > But either way...I would like to - once again - mention to you and the > others that YES, IGC is hosting elections soon and for the two slots of > co-coordinators. I shall be able to get back to the list with an election > timeline by the end of the week. > Suggestions are as follows: For the wider IGC 1. Issue a call for expressions of interest where candidates publish their candidate statement and how long they have been with the IGC. Self Nominations or Nominations by Others. 2. Briefly describe how they plan to coordinate and what issues they are passionate about 3. Declaration of Conflicts of interest 4. Declaration of Organisations that they have affiliations or membership with (Optional) 5. In the timeline factor in date candidacy is going to be closed 6. Date of Elections 7. Casting of votes 8. Counting votes 9. Announcement 10. Time for Appeal To this end you will also need to appoint an Appeal Team ready in case there are any appeals. > > Additionally, in case anyone wants to help sort the issues related to > tally, check-in and so on, your help is more than welcome. > > We need > Best Regards, > Bruna Santos > > Le dim. 11 août 2019 à 00:33, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> a écrit : > >> Dear All, >> >> >> 1. On June 26, 2016, I had raised the issue of the need for URGENT >> elections to replace one of the vacancy that had raised from 2 years ago. >> 2. As I write this, there are now two coordinator vacancies and so >> the matter is almost URGENT. >> 3. Two months have lapsed and we still do not have clear Election >> timelines even though there were some great suggestions. >> 4. It is my view that there should be an urgent call for elections >> now to request the community to send in their Expression of Interest. >> 5. Even if we wait for November to hold the elections, there has to >> be an open call for Expression of Interest and platform for elections set >> up. >> 6. If we are to make the IGC fully functional and activated, then we >> have to suggest some really good candidates who have some institutional >> memory and are energetic and willing to work with another coordinator to >> lead the IGC. >> 7. There was no migration of the website done following the call and >> subsequent appointment of Akinremi Peter but in 2019, a team of volunteers >> including Akinremi Peter have managed to restore the archived website, >> thanks to Jeremy's donation and Imran's heavy lifting and the wider team's >> input. >> 8. It is my recommendation that the root details are transferred from >> Akinremi Peter for the website to Imran or a former co-coordinator. >> 9. The website that was restored is basic archives and nothing new. >> 10. It was our hope that following the elections that a call can be >> made under the direction of the coordinators to the Working Group to open >> call for improvements to the website on matters of content and other things. >> >> Trusting that the matter is resolved. >> >> Kind Regards, >> Sala >> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 2:13 AM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear Colleagues, >>> >>> >>> 1. It would appear from a copy of the email to the IGC Mailing list >>> that one of our co-coordinator's (Arsene) term would have lapsed last year >>> in December, 2018 where the elections for a new co-coordinator should have >>> been held to ensure rotation. IC co-coordinators serve for a term of 2 >>> years. Arsene was elected and began serving in March 2016 following the >>> February 2016 elections facilitated by Analia. >>> 2. Bruna and Arsene should have started the Open Call for candidates >>> in December and held the elections by February 2019. >>> 3. The co-coordinators have been working with the community on >>> migrating the content as you can see from the email below of April 27, 2017 >>> and preparing a new website. The website mentioned in that email was >>> www.igcaucus.org Moreover, on September, 2016, Arsene had informed >>> the IGC that whilst he had received 3 statement of interests to do the >>> website, he had accepted Akinremi Peter. In essence work on the website >>> would have been from September 2016 and onwards. >>> 4. Kindly advise what the new website is and whether the migration >>> of content was completed. >>> 5. An election should be held immediately to replace the vacancy >>> that currently exists. I would encourage energetic and committed members to >>> apply (looking at *Sheetal* and *Farzaneh*) and non-discriminately >>> encouraging others too. >>> 6. An update should be sent to all members about the status of the >>> IGC, and strategic framework for engagement within the IGF, WEF, WTO and >>> diverse fora. >>> 7. There have been some content about a rudderless IGC and we have >>> to encourage Bruna to get on with it as per the Charter and provide an >>> update. Should any of the co-coordinators need assistance there are many >>> past coordinators who can give advice offline. >>> 8. There is need to align the IGC to the Charter and if the Charter >>> needs changing and leadership needs revamping so be it! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Sala >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>> From: Arsène Tungali >>> Date: Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 10:07 AM >>> Subject: [governance] New IGC Co-coordinator: Nominations open until May >>> 10th! >>> To: Internet Governance >>> >>> >>> Dear colleagues, >>> >>> >>> It is time to elect a new Co-coordinator for the Caucus, to replace >>> Analía who has already completed her two-year term, and to work with me >>> (Arsene). As you know, the IGC is operating with two volunteers called >>> “Co-coordinators”. >>> >>> >>> I would like to send my apologies for the time it took me to quick start >>> this process; as you know, we have been busy with migrating our server but >>> also I informed that I will be launching this once we have submitted our >>> workshop proposal to the upcoming IGF (which we did today). This is an >>> usual process and I beg you to bear with me. You will remember I did launch >>> this call while we were still working on the server but so many of you only >>> saw it later on when the system was restored back. >>> >>> >>> We invite members of the IGC to nominate candidates (please check with >>> them first about their willingness to serve), or to nominate themselves as >>> Co-coordinator to serve for 2 years, from 2017-2019. All you need to do is >>> to send TO THE LIST your statement of interest (in the body of an email and >>> attached in a .doc file) with the following elements: >>> >>> - Your full name >>> >>> - Your country of origin and of residence >>> >>> - Anything we need to know about your work/involvement with >>> IGC/IGF/Civil Society activities. (200 words max) >>> >>> - Why do you think you can be a good Co-coordinator for the >>> IGC? (Max 200 words) >>> >>> - What’s your vision for the IGC during your term if elected? >>> Pick up to 3 current issues we face in the group that you will consider as >>> priority during your first year. (Max 200 words) >>> >>> >>> The nomination period will be open until midnight UTC on May 10th, >>> 2017. After this date, we will circulate a resume of candidate's profiles >>> and enable a voting link to all IGC members in order to elect our new >>> co-coordinator. >>> >>> >>> You can check duties and responsibilities on our website ( >>> www.igcaucus.org) >>> >>> I do encourage all of you who wish to have >>> a different experience with international advocacy or Internet public >>> policy issues to consider applying. Also, we need to revitalize our group >>> so we need someone very dynamic that will bring a push to support me. >>> >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Arsene >>> >>> IGC Co-coordinator >>> >>> >>> ------------------------ >>> **Arsène Tungali* * >>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international >>> *, >>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, *Mabingwa >>> Forum * >>> Tel: +243 993810967 >>> GPG: 523644A0 >>> *Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo* >>> >>> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow >>> (YALI) >>> - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil >>> >>> & Mexico >>> >>> ) - AFRISIG 2016 - >>> Blogger - ICANN Fellow (Los Angeles >>> & Marrakech >>> >>> ). AFRINIC Fellow (Mauritius >>> >>> )* - *IGFSA Member - Internet Governance - >>> Internet Freedom. >>> >>> Check the 2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC report >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list, click here: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/sympa/auto_signoff/governance/salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 4:33 AM Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < >>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Bruna, Arsene, >>>> >>>> Thank you such a relief.Can you advise when (dates) in which you were >>>> both elected? Basically month and year. >>>> >>>> On another note, Sheetal and Farzaneh have raised issues that deserve >>>> discussion. >>>> >>>> Notably in the threads, there have been links provided on archived info >>>> so hoping you can consolidate and advise us what our current site is. >>>> >>>> Have you made an open call to the community to map areas of >>>> participation etc? >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> Sala >>>> >>>> On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 5:33 pm Bruna Martins dos Santos, < >>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Sala, >>>>> >>>>> Right now the co-coordinators are Arsene Tungali and myself. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Bruna >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 24 Jun 2019, 17:21 "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro", < >>>>> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>> >>>>>> Can someone advise me who the co-coordinators are? >>>>>> >>>>>> Many thanks, >>>>>> Sala >>>>>> --- >>>>>> To unsubscribe: >>>>>> List help: >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* >>> >>> *P. O. Box 17862* >>> >>> *Suva* >>> >>> >>> *Republic of Fiji* >>> >>> *Cell: +679 7656770; * >>> >>> *Home: +679 3362003* >>> *Twitter: @SalanietaT* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the >>> greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* >> >> *P. O. Box 17862* >> >> *Suva* >> >> >> *Republic of Fiji* >> >> *Cell: +679 7656770; * >> >> *Home: +679 3362003* >> *Twitter: @SalanietaT* >> >> >> >> >> *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the >> greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* >> >> > > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* *P. O. Box 17862* *Suva* *Republic of Fiji* *Cell: +679 7656770; * *Home: +679 3362003* *Twitter: @SalanietaT* *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. It is the greatest quality of the mind next to honour." Aristotle* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tapani.tarvainen at effi.org Mon Aug 12 04:58:02 2019 From: tapani.tarvainen at effi.org (Tapani Tarvainen) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 11:58:02 +0300 Subject: [governance] Overdue IGC Co-coordinator Elections and Request for Update on Website/ Was Re: Who are the IGC Co-coordinators? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20190812085802.GD27106@tehanu.it.jyu.fi> A few (mainly technical) comments inline. On Aug 12 20:29, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (governance at lists.riseup.net) wrote: > Not to take away from the Team efforts in restoring the archives, that was > pretty basic and the information already existed. It has been overdue since > 2017 but it's good that it is restored. The website has been rebuilt but email archives have not yet been restored, as far as I know, and it won't be an entirely trivial task. > As Ian mentioned the website technical team except for those who may > wish to stand for elections will help. The system is automated so > ballots are automatically tallied but we will need auditors and as > Ian has volunteered. I must have missed something as I didn't know we have already agreed on an election system (even though I'm on tech teams mailing list). Anyway, I know a bit about election systems and I'd be willing to help (and I don't intend to stand so that's not an issue). > > And what to I mean with that? (a) We need to assess which members have > > voting rights as of now; (b) we need some system for voters check-in and > > (c) we also need a tally system thats trustworthy and auditable. > This is easy and all automated and the logins would all be online and > timestamped, no issue here. That sounds great, indeed almost too good to be true. I want to know more about this system. -- Tapani Tarvainen From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Aug 12 14:26:55 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:26:55 -0300 Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Indicative timeline - Up for discussion Message-ID: Dear IGC, With regards to our Co-Coordinator elections, I would like to present to you a tentative timeline and some other issues pending. In a recent chat with Ian and due to some of the replies on the list, I take that we are still to define the following: (a) voting system to our upcoming elections; (b) select a small team of scrutineers to liaise with the tech team and help us assess the election results. With regards to the first one, I would very much welcome recommendations from the tech team on voting softwares. I know that there has been some suggestions as to how simple the process has been but we havent yet discussed any options and process. About the scrutineers, this would be a team that would help us assess the election results, run some validity checks and agree on a statement regarding the final voting results. Important to note that, in case you plan to run for any of the Co-Coordinator slots, its not recommendable that you apply for this post. As mentioned before, we will elect both Co-Coordinator slots, the difference is that one of the posts will have a smaller term - 1 year - while the other will have the normal term - 2 years. Additionally, as usual, we will accept nominations coming from members and candidates themselves. Having said that, I would like to present to you a tentative timeline for our upcoming elections below. *Nomination Period* - August 21st until September 4th *Candidates acceptance and Statement submission* - September 8th *Voting period* - from 9th to September 23rd *Election results announcement *- September 28th Please let me know your thoughts on this! Best regards, -- *Bruna Martins dos Santos * Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Aug 12 14:35:22 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 19:35:22 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Indicative timeline - Up for discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great, let's get on with it! On Mon, 12 Aug 2019, 7:27 pm Bruna Martins dos Santos, < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > Dear IGC, > > With regards to our Co-Coordinator elections, I would like to present to > you a tentative timeline and some other issues pending. > > In a recent chat with Ian and due to some of the replies on the list, I > take that we are still to define the following: > (a) voting system to our upcoming elections; > (b) select a small team of scrutineers to liaise with the tech team and > help us assess the election results. > > With regards to the first one, I would very much welcome recommendations > from the tech team on voting softwares. I know that there has been some > suggestions as to how simple the process has been but we havent yet > discussed any options and process. > > About the scrutineers, this would be a team that would help us assess the > election results, run some validity checks and agree on a statement > regarding the final voting results. Important to note that, in case you > plan to run for any of the Co-Coordinator slots, its not recommendable that > you apply for this post. > > As mentioned before, we will elect both Co-Coordinator slots, the > difference is that one of the posts will have a smaller term - 1 year - > while the other will have the normal term - 2 years. Additionally, as > usual, we will accept nominations coming from members and candidates > themselves. > > Having said that, I would like to present to you a tentative timeline for > our upcoming elections below. > > *Nomination Period* - August 21st until September 4th > *Candidates acceptance and Statement submission* - September 8th > *Voting period* - from 9th to September 23rd > *Election results announcement *- September 28th > > Please let me know your thoughts on this! > > Best regards, > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Mon Aug 12 14:46:38 2019 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (ian.peter at ianpeter.com) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 18:46:38 +0000 Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Indicative timeline - Up for discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Bruna I think that indicative timetable should work well. I know Tapani has experience with voting software, so we will discuss with tech team and come back to main list when appropriate. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Bruna Martins dos Santos" To: "governance" Sent: 13/08/2019 4:26:55 AM Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Indicative timeline - Up for discussion >Dear IGC, > >With regards to our Co-Coordinator elections, I would like to present >to you a tentative timeline and some other issues pending. > >In a recent chat with Ian and due to some of the replies on the list, I >take that we are still to define the following: >(a) voting system to our upcoming elections; >(b) select a small team of scrutineers to liaise with the tech team and >help us assess the election results. > >With regards to the first one, I would very much welcome >recommendations from the tech team on voting softwares. I know that >there has been some suggestions as to how simple the process has been >but we havent yet discussed any options and process. > >About the scrutineers, this would be a team that would help us assess >the election results, run some validity checks and agree on a statement >regarding the final voting results. Important to note that, in case you >plan to run for any of the Co-Coordinator slots, its not recommendable >that you apply for this post. > >As mentioned before, we will elect both Co-Coordinator slots, the >difference is that one of the posts will have a smaller term - 1 year - >while the other will have the normal term - 2 years. Additionally, as >usual, we will accept nominations coming from members and candidates >themselves. > >Having said that, I would like to present to you a tentative timeline >for our upcoming elections below. > >Nomination Period - August 21st until September 4th >Candidates acceptance and Statement submission - September 8th >Voting period - from 9th to September 23rd >Election results announcement - September 28th > >Please let me know your thoughts on this! > >Best regards, >-- >Bruna Martins dos Santos > >Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >@boomartins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Aug 12 16:42:15 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne?= Tungali (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:42:15 +0200 Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Indicative timeline - Up for discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That sounds reasonable, thanks Bruna On Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 8:52 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: > Thanks Bruna I think that indicative timetable should work well. > > I know Tapani has experience with voting software, so we will discuss with > tech team and come back to main list when appropriate. > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Bruna Martins dos Santos" > To: "governance" > Sent: 13/08/2019 4:26:55 AM > Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Indicative timeline - Up for > discussion > > Dear IGC, > > With regards to our Co-Coordinator elections, I would like to present to > you a tentative timeline and some other issues pending. > > In a recent chat with Ian and due to some of the replies on the list, I > take that we are still to define the following: > (a) voting system to our upcoming elections; > (b) select a small team of scrutineers to liaise with the tech team and > help us assess the election results. > > With regards to the first one, I would very much welcome recommendations > from the tech team on voting softwares. I know that there has been some > suggestions as to how simple the process has been but we havent yet > discussed any options and process. > > About the scrutineers, this would be a team that would help us assess the > election results, run some validity checks and agree on a statement > regarding the final voting results. Important to note that, in case you > plan to run for any of the Co-Coordinator slots, its not recommendable that > you apply for this post. > > As mentioned before, we will elect both Co-Coordinator slots, the > difference is that one of the posts will have a smaller term - 1 year - > while the other will have the normal term - 2 years. Additionally, as > usual, we will accept nominations coming from members and candidates > themselves. > > Having said that, I would like to present to you a tentative timeline for > our upcoming elections below. > > *Nomination Period* - August 21st until September 4th > *Candidates acceptance and Statement submission* - September 8th > *Voting period* - from 9th to September 23rd > *Election results announcement *- September 28th > > Please let me know your thoughts on this! > > Best regards, > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Aug 12 16:42:21 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:42:21 +0100 Subject: [governance] Public Apology Message-ID: Dear All, I would like to publicly apologise to both Bruna and Arsene for the unkind tone and nature of my emails in the past. I could have said it better. I thought to apologise in person but thought against it. As I want to thank them for the thankless task of coordinating in still waters with lots of obstacles and challenges. The vitality of our community is a corporate responsibility. Thank you for all you have done in serving our community and in all you are doing. They are appreciated. With every best wish for the future, Sala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Fri Aug 2 05:18:47 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 10:18:47 +0100 Subject: [governance] Statement by IGC on Huan Qi's sentencing In-Reply-To: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> References: <20190802102415.7fa03d5c@quill> Message-ID: Suggest some text. On Fri, 2 Aug 2019, 9:24 am Norbert Bollow, wrote: > On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 03:38:08 +0530 > "Chaitanya Dhareshwar" (via governance Mailing List) > wrote: > > > - A reasonable middle ground between sentencing (law) and honouring > > commitment to free speech would be to give a Community Service > > sentence > > I would strongly object to anything that calls anything a "reasonable > middle ground" which is not fully in alignment with all human rights > including the right to free speech. > > Greetings, > Norbert > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Mon Aug 12 19:52:56 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Remmy Nweke (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 00:52:56 +0100 Subject: [governance] Public Apology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Salanieta, That is the humanity in us. I am sure this will encourage them and many more of us. Best regards ____ REMMY NWEKE, mNGE, Lead Consulting Strategist/Group Executive Editor, DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*] (DigitalSENSE Business News ; ITREALMS , NaijaAgroNet ) Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria *2020 Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable * JOIN us!! *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS ) _________________________________________________________________ *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution. On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 9:51 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > Dear All, > > I would like to publicly apologise to both Bruna and Arsene for the unkind > tone and nature of my emails in the past. I could have said it better. > > I thought to apologise in person but thought against it. As I want to > thank them for the thankless task of coordinating in still waters with lots > of obstacles and challenges. The vitality of our community is a corporate > responsibility. > > Thank you for all you have done in serving our community and in all you > are doing. They are appreciated. > > With every best wish for the future, > Sala > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Tue Aug 13 15:42:38 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 16:42:38 -0300 Subject: [governance] Public Apology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Sala, Thank you very much for this. In the end of the day, we are all super interested in shaping/reconstructing IGC and with some urgency as this space was missed in our CS work. So I have interpreted the interactions as an eagerness to put our caucus back to work - and did not take any offense. ut I very much appreciate your apologies! Best Regards, Bruna Santos Le lun. 12 août 2019 à 20:53, Remmy Nweke a écrit : > Thanks Salanieta, > That is the humanity in us. > I am sure this will encourage them and many more of us. > Best regards > ____ > REMMY NWEKE, mNGE, > Lead Consulting Strategist/Group Executive Editor, > DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*] > (DigitalSENSE Business News > ; ITREALMS > , NaijaAgroNet > ) > Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos > M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms > > Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria > > > *2020 Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable > * > JOIN us!! > > *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS > ) > _________________________________________________________________ > *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and attachments > are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is intended > only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not accept legal > responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this document and do > not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor make > any copies. Violators may face court persecution. > > > > On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 9:51 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < > governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> I would like to publicly apologise to both Bruna and Arsene for the >> unkind tone and nature of my emails in the past. I could have said it >> better. >> >> I thought to apologise in person but thought against it. As I want to >> thank them for the thankless task of coordinating in still waters with lots >> of obstacles and challenges. The vitality of our community is a corporate >> responsibility. >> >> Thank you for all you have done in serving our community and in all you >> are doing. They are appreciated. >> >> With every best wish for the future, >> Sala >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -- *Bruna Martins dos Santos * Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Tue Aug 13 18:32:57 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 23:32:57 +0100 Subject: [governance] Public Apology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Bruna, Thank you for being so gracious, understanding and forgiving. My very best wishes, Sala On Tue, 13 Aug 2019, 8:42 pm Bruna Martins dos Santos, < bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Sala, > > Thank you very much for this. In the end of the day, we are all super > interested in shaping/reconstructing IGC and with some urgency as this > space was missed in our CS work. So I have interpreted the interactions as > an eagerness to put our caucus back to work - and did not take any offense. > > ut I very much appreciate your apologies! > > Best Regards, > Bruna Santos > > > > Le lun. 12 août 2019 à 20:53, Remmy Nweke a > écrit : > >> Thanks Salanieta, >> That is the humanity in us. >> I am sure this will encourage them and many more of us. >> Best regards >> ____ >> REMMY NWEKE, mNGE, >> Lead Consulting Strategist/Group Executive Editor, >> DigitalSENSE Africa Media [*Multiple-award winning medium*] >> (DigitalSENSE Business News >> ; ITREALMS >> , NaijaAgroNet >> ) >> Block F1, Shop 133 Moyosore Aboderin Plaza, Bolade Junction, Oshodi-Lagos >> M: 234-8033592762, 8023122558, 8051000475, T: @ITRealms >> >> Author: A Decade of ICT Reportage in Nigeria >> >> >> *2020 Nigeria DigitalSENSE Forum on IG4D & Nigeria IPv6 Roundtable >> * >> JOIN us!! >> >> *Vice President, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS >> ) >> _________________________________________________________________ >> *Confidentiality Notice:* The information in this document and >> attachments are confidential and may also be privileged information. It is >> intended only for the use of the named recipient. Remmy Nweke does not >> accept legal responsibility for the contents of this e-mail. If you are not >> the intended recipient, please notify me immediately, then delete this >> document and do not disclose the contents of this document to any other >> person, nor make any copies. Violators may face court persecution. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 9:51 PM "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" < >> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> I would like to publicly apologise to both Bruna and Arsene for the >>> unkind tone and nature of my emails in the past. I could have said it >>> better. >>> >>> I thought to apologise in person but thought against it. As I want to >>> thank them for the thankless task of coordinating in still waters with lots >>> of obstacles and challenges. The vitality of our community is a corporate >>> responsibility. >>> >>> Thank you for all you have done in serving our community and in all you >>> are doing. They are appreciated. >>> >>> With every best wish for the future, >>> Sala >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > > > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 14 17:35:17 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 18:35:17 -0300 Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Indicative timeline - Up for discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear all, I am taking there is some consensus around the proposed timeline, so, unless anyone opposes it I guess we can adopt it. I would also like to announce Tapani and Ian Peter as the scrutineers for this process, in case you want to be added to this efforts, please let me know offlist. Best Regards, Bruna Santos Le lun. 12 août 2019 à 17:42, Arsène Tungali a écrit : > That sounds reasonable, thanks Bruna > > On Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 8:52 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > >> Thanks Bruna I think that indicative timetable should work well. >> >> I know Tapani has experience with voting software, so we will discuss >> with tech team and come back to main list when appropriate. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Bruna Martins dos Santos" >> To: "governance" >> Sent: 13/08/2019 4:26:55 AM >> Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Indicative timeline - Up for >> discussion >> >> Dear IGC, >> >> With regards to our Co-Coordinator elections, I would like to present to >> you a tentative timeline and some other issues pending. >> >> In a recent chat with Ian and due to some of the replies on the list, I >> take that we are still to define the following: >> (a) voting system to our upcoming elections; >> (b) select a small team of scrutineers to liaise with the tech team and >> help us assess the election results. >> >> With regards to the first one, I would very much welcome recommendations >> from the tech team on voting softwares. I know that there has been some >> suggestions as to how simple the process has been but we havent yet >> discussed any options and process. >> >> About the scrutineers, this would be a team that would help us assess the >> election results, run some validity checks and agree on a statement >> regarding the final voting results. Important to note that, in case you >> plan to run for any of the Co-Coordinator slots, its not recommendable that >> you apply for this post. >> >> As mentioned before, we will elect both Co-Coordinator slots, the >> difference is that one of the posts will have a smaller term - 1 year - >> while the other will have the normal term - 2 years. Additionally, as >> usual, we will accept nominations coming from members and candidates >> themselves. >> >> Having said that, I would like to present to you a tentative timeline for >> our upcoming elections below. >> >> *Nomination Period* - August 21st until September 4th >> *Candidates acceptance and Statement submission* - September 8th >> *Voting period* - from 9th to September 23rd >> *Election results announcement *- September 28th >> >> Please let me know your thoughts on this! >> >> Best regards, >> -- >> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >> @boomartins >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > -- *Bruna Martins dos Santos * Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From judith at jhellerstein.com Wed Aug 14 17:52:15 2019 From: judith at jhellerstein.com (Judith Hellerstein) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:52:15 -0400 Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Indicative timeline - Up for discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <94ec56b0-6d98-a72c-6c0f-acd7c38df991@jhellerstein.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Wed Aug 14 18:08:48 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" (via governance Mailing List) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 23:08:48 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Indicative timeline - Up for discussion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Bruna, Suggest you go ahead with issuing the call. There is no need for consensus to issue the timeline. The earlier you call it, the more time people have to nominate candidates and for candidates to accept and prepare their Expression of Interest. Once we get this out of the way, the Caucus can focus on things it wants to engage in. Best Wishes, Sala On Wed, 14 Aug 2019, 10:35 pm Bruna Martins dos Santos, < governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote: > Dear all, > > I am taking there is some consensus around the proposed timeline, so, > unless anyone opposes it I guess we can adopt it. > > I would also like to announce Tapani and Ian Peter as the scrutineers for > this process, in case you want to be added to this efforts, please let me > know offlist. > > Best Regards, > Bruna Santos > > > Le lun. 12 août 2019 à 17:42, Arsène Tungali a > écrit : > >> That sounds reasonable, thanks Bruna >> >> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 8:52 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >> ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Bruna I think that indicative timetable should work well. >>> >>> I know Tapani has experience with voting software, so we will discuss >>> with tech team and come back to main list when appropriate. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Bruna Martins dos Santos" >>> To: "governance" >>> Sent: 13/08/2019 4:26:55 AM >>> Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Indicative timeline - Up for >>> discussion >>> >>> Dear IGC, >>> >>> With regards to our Co-Coordinator elections, I would like to present to >>> you a tentative timeline and some other issues pending. >>> >>> In a recent chat with Ian and due to some of the replies on the list, I >>> take that we are still to define the following: >>> (a) voting system to our upcoming elections; >>> (b) select a small team of scrutineers to liaise with the tech team and >>> help us assess the election results. >>> >>> With regards to the first one, I would very much welcome recommendations >>> from the tech team on voting softwares. I know that there has been some >>> suggestions as to how simple the process has been but we havent yet >>> discussed any options and process. >>> >>> About the scrutineers, this would be a team that would help us assess >>> the election results, run some validity checks and agree on a statement >>> regarding the final voting results. Important to note that, in case you >>> plan to run for any of the Co-Coordinator slots, its not recommendable that >>> you apply for this post. >>> >>> As mentioned before, we will elect both Co-Coordinator slots, the >>> difference is that one of the posts will have a smaller term - 1 year - >>> while the other will have the normal term - 2 years. Additionally, as >>> usual, we will accept nominations coming from members and candidates >>> themselves. >>> >>> Having said that, I would like to present to you a tentative timeline >>> for our upcoming elections below. >>> >>> *Nomination Period* - August 21st until September 4th >>> *Candidates acceptance and Statement submission* - September 8th >>> *Voting period* - from 9th to September 23rd >>> *Election results announcement *- September 28th >>> >>> Please let me know your thoughts on this! >>> >>> Best regards, >>> -- >>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >>> >>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >>> @boomartins >>> >>> --- >>> To unsubscribe: >>> List help: >>> >> > > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Aug 15 11:24:14 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Imran Ahmed Shah (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Indicative timeline - Up for discussion In-Reply-To: <94ec56b0-6d98-a72c-6c0f-acd7c38df991@jhellerstein.com> References: <94ec56b0-6d98-a72c-6c0f-acd7c38df991@jhellerstein.com> Message-ID: <1812603483.5827458.1565882654856@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Judith,Yes, please arrange to obtain the information about voting software and also check if this software is open source and could be installed on cloud base hosted environment? if the Google Form, are not used....? Regards Imran On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 02:52:34 GMT+5, Judith Hellerstein wrote: Dear All, ISOC DC has used new voting software this year for our election and I can find out what it is and suggest it to the group Judith _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO Hellerstein & Associates 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517 E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com Website: www.jhellerstein.com Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide On 8/14/2019 5:35 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List) wrote: Dear all, I am taking there is some consensus around the proposed timeline, so, unless anyone opposes it I guess we can adopt it. I would also like to announce Tapani and Ian Peter as the scrutineers for this process, in case you want to be added to this efforts, please let me know offlist.  Best Regards,  Bruna Santos  Le lun. 12 août 2019 à 17:42, Arsène Tungali a écrit : That sounds reasonable, thanks Bruna  On Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 8:52 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote: Thanks Bruna I think that indicative timetable should work well. I know Tapani has experience with voting software, so we will discuss with tech team and come back to main list when appropriate.  ------ Original Message ------ From: "Bruna Martins dos Santos" To: "governance" Sent: 13/08/2019 4:26:55 AM Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Indicative timeline - Up for discussion Dear IGC,  With regards to our Co-Coordinator elections, I would like to present to you a tentative timeline and some other issues pending.  In a recent chat with Ian and due to some of the replies on the list, I take that we are still to define the following:  (a) voting system to our upcoming elections;  (b) select a small team of scrutineers to liaise with the tech team and help us assess the election results.  With regards to the first one, I would very much welcome recommendations from the tech team on voting softwares. I know that there has been some suggestions as to how simple the process has been but we havent yet discussed any options and process.  About the scrutineers, this would be a team that would help us assess the election results, run some validity checks and agree on a statement regarding the final voting results. Important to note that, in case you plan to run for any of the Co-Coordinator slots, its not recommendable that you apply for this post.  As mentioned before, we will elect both Co-Coordinator slots, the difference is that one of the posts will have a smaller term - 1 year - while the other will have the normal term - 2 years. Additionally, as usual, we will accept nominations coming from members and candidates themselves.  Having said that, I would like to present to you a tentative timeline for our upcoming elections below.  Nomination Period - August 21st until September 4th Candidates acceptance and Statement submission - September 8th Voting period -  from 9th to September 23rd  Election results announcement - September 28th Please let me know your thoughts on this!  Best regards,  -- Bruna Martins dos Santos  Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins --- To unsubscribe: List help: -- Bruna Martins dos Santos  Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos @boomartins --- To unsubscribe: List help: --- To unsubscribe: List help: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Aug 15 12:38:55 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Sonigitu Ekpe (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:38:55 +0100 Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Indicative timeline - Up for discussion In-Reply-To: <1812603483.5827458.1565882654856@mail.yahoo.com> References: <94ec56b0-6d98-a72c-6c0f-acd7c38df991@jhellerstein.com> <1812603483.5827458.1565882654856@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear All, I move to adopt the tentative timetable for the election. Many thanks. Sonigitu Ekpe On Thu, 15 Aug 2019, 16:24 Imran Ahmed Shah, wrote: > Thanks Judith, > Yes, please arrange to obtain the information about voting software and > also check if this software is open source and could be installed on cloud > base hosted environment? if the Google Form, are not used....? > > Regards > > Imran > On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 02:52:34 GMT+5, Judith Hellerstein < > judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > ISOC DC has used new voting software this year for our election and I can > find out what it is and suggest it to the group > > Judith > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO > Hellerstein & Associates > 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 > Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein > Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517 > E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com Website: www.jhellerstein.com > Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ > Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide > > > On 8/14/2019 5:35 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing > List) wrote: > > Dear all, > > I am taking there is some consensus around the proposed timeline, so, > unless anyone opposes it I guess we can adopt it. > > I would also like to announce Tapani and Ian Peter as the scrutineers for > this process, in case you want to be added to this efforts, please let me > know offlist. > > Best Regards, > Bruna Santos > > > Le lun. 12 août 2019 à 17:42, Arsène Tungali a > écrit : > > That sounds reasonable, thanks Bruna > > On Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 8:52 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < > ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: > > Thanks Bruna I think that indicative timetable should work well. > > I know Tapani has experience with voting software, so we will discuss with > tech team and come back to main list when appropriate. > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Bruna Martins dos Santos" > To: "governance" > Sent: 13/08/2019 4:26:55 AM > Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Indicative timeline - Up for > discussion > > Dear IGC, > > With regards to our Co-Coordinator elections, I would like to present to > you a tentative timeline and some other issues pending. > > In a recent chat with Ian and due to some of the replies on the list, I > take that we are still to define the following: > (a) voting system to our upcoming elections; > (b) select a small team of scrutineers to liaise with the tech team and > help us assess the election results. > > With regards to the first one, I would very much welcome recommendations > from the tech team on voting softwares. I know that there has been some > suggestions as to how simple the process has been but we havent yet > discussed any options and process. > > About the scrutineers, this would be a team that would help us assess the > election results, run some validity checks and agree on a statement > regarding the final voting results. Important to note that, in case you > plan to run for any of the Co-Coordinator slots, its not recommendable that > you apply for this post. > > As mentioned before, we will elect both Co-Coordinator slots, the > difference is that one of the posts will have a smaller term - 1 year - > while the other will have the normal term - 2 years. Additionally, as > usual, we will accept nominations coming from members and candidates > themselves. > > Having said that, I would like to present to you a tentative timeline for > our upcoming elections below. > > *Nomination Period* - August 21st until September 4th > *Candidates acceptance and Statement submission* - September 8th > *Voting period* - from 9th to September 23rd > *Election results announcement *- September 28th > > Please let me know your thoughts on this! > > Best regards, > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > > > -- > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos > @boomartins > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Aug 15 19:46:17 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Sonigitu Ekpe (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 00:46:17 +0100 Subject: [governance] Fwd: IGC Co-Coordinators Indicative timeline - Up for discussion In-Reply-To: References: <94ec56b0-6d98-a72c-6c0f-acd7c38df991@jhellerstein.com> <1812603483.5827458.1565882654856@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019, 18:28 Subject: Re: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Indicative timeline - Up for discussion To: Wonderful arrangement, Bruna. I second Sonigitu's motion for adoption. On 8/15/19, Sonigitu Ekpe wrote: > Dear All, > > I move to adopt the tentative timetable for the election. > Many thanks. > > Sonigitu Ekpe > > > On Thu, 15 Aug 2019, 16:24 Imran Ahmed Shah, > wrote: > >> Thanks Judith, >> Yes, please arrange to obtain the information about voting software and >> also check if this software is open source and could be installed on >> cloud >> base hosted environment? if the Google Form, are not used....? >> >> Regards >> >> Imran >> On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 02:52:34 GMT+5, Judith Hellerstein < >> judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote: >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> ISOC DC has used new voting software this year for our election and I can >> find out what it is and suggest it to the group >> >> Judith >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO >> Hellerstein & Associates >> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 >> Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein >> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517 >> E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com Website: www.jhellerstein.com >> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ >> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide >> >> >> On 8/14/2019 5:35 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing >> List) wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> I am taking there is some consensus around the proposed timeline, so, >> unless anyone opposes it I guess we can adopt it. >> >> I would also like to announce Tapani and Ian Peter as the scrutineers for >> this process, in case you want to be added to this efforts, please let me >> know offlist. >> >> Best Regards, >> Bruna Santos >> >> >> Le lun. 12 août 2019 à 17:42, Arsène Tungali a >> écrit : >> >> That sounds reasonable, thanks Bruna >> >> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 8:52 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >> ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks Bruna I think that indicative timetable should work well. >> >> I know Tapani has experience with voting software, so we will discuss >> with >> tech team and come back to main list when appropriate. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Bruna Martins dos Santos" >> To: "governance" >> Sent: 13/08/2019 4:26:55 AM >> Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Indicative timeline - Up for >> discussion >> >> Dear IGC, >> >> With regards to our Co-Coordinator elections, I would like to present to >> you a tentative timeline and some other issues pending. >> >> In a recent chat with Ian and due to some of the replies on the list, I >> take that we are still to define the following: >> (a) voting system to our upcoming elections; >> (b) select a small team of scrutineers to liaise with the tech team and >> help us assess the election results. >> >> With regards to the first one, I would very much welcome recommendations >> from the tech team on voting softwares. I know that there has been some >> suggestions as to how simple the process has been but we havent yet >> discussed any options and process. >> >> About the scrutineers, this would be a team that would help us assess the >> election results, run some validity checks and agree on a statement >> regarding the final voting results. Important to note that, in case you >> plan to run for any of the Co-Coordinator slots, its not recommendable >> that >> you apply for this post. >> >> As mentioned before, we will elect both Co-Coordinator slots, the >> difference is that one of the posts will have a smaller term - 1 year - >> while the other will have the normal term - 2 years. Additionally, as >> usual, we will accept nominations coming from members and candidates >> themselves. >> >> Having said that, I would like to present to you a tentative timeline for >> our upcoming elections below. >> >> *Nomination Period* - August 21st until September 4th >> *Candidates acceptance and Statement submission* - September 8th >> *Voting period* - from 9th to September 23rd >> *Election results announcement *- September 28th >> >> Please let me know your thoughts on this! >> >> Best regards, >> -- >> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >> @boomartins >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> >> >> >> -- >> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >> @boomartins >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> >> List help: >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > -- Chris Prince Udochukwu *Njọkụ*, Ph.D. Computer Communications Centre University of Nigeria, Nsukka 410001 @DrCPUNjoku We mustn't remain with old ways of doing things, especially if they're not yielding optimum results. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From governance at lists.riseup.net Thu Aug 15 19:46:40 2019 From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Sonigitu Ekpe (via governance Mailing List)) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 00:46:40 +0100 Subject: [governance] Fwd: IGC Co-Coordinators Indicative timeline - Up for discussion In-Reply-To: References: <94ec56b0-6d98-a72c-6c0f-acd7c38df991@jhellerstein.com> <1812603483.5827458.1565882654856@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Devon Blake Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019, 19:03 Subject: Re: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Indicative timeline - Up for discussion To: Sonigitu Ekpe I second that motion Devon Blake ICT and Development Consultant 4 Arlington Ave Kgn 2 ,Phone: Office 876-649-9704, Mobile, digi 876-483-2632, flow 876-519-6266 linkedin:https://www.linkedin.com/in/deblade To be kind, To be helpful, To network *Earthwise ... For Life!* On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 11:39 AM Sonigitu Ekpe wrote: > Dear All, > > I move to adopt the tentative timetable for the election. > Many thanks. > > Sonigitu Ekpe > > > On Thu, 15 Aug 2019, 16:24 Imran Ahmed Shah, > wrote: > >> Thanks Judith, >> Yes, please arrange to obtain the information about voting software and >> also check if this software is open source and could be installed on cloud >> base hosted environment? if the Google Form, are not used....? >> >> Regards >> >> Imran >> On Thursday, 15 August 2019, 02:52:34 GMT+5, Judith Hellerstein < >> judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote: >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> ISOC DC has used new voting software this year for our election and I can >> find out what it is and suggest it to the group >> >> Judith >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ >> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO >> Hellerstein & Associates >> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008 >> Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein >> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517 >> E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com Website: www.jhellerstein.com >> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/ >> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide >> >> >> On 8/14/2019 5:35 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing >> List) wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> I am taking there is some consensus around the proposed timeline, so, >> unless anyone opposes it I guess we can adopt it. >> >> I would also like to announce Tapani and Ian Peter as the scrutineers for >> this process, in case you want to be added to this efforts, please let me >> know offlist. >> >> Best Regards, >> Bruna Santos >> >> >> Le lun. 12 août 2019 à 17:42, Arsène Tungali a >> écrit : >> >> That sounds reasonable, thanks Bruna >> >> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 8:52 PM ian.peter at ianpeter.com < >> ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks Bruna I think that indicative timetable should work well. >> >> I know Tapani has experience with voting software, so we will discuss >> with tech team and come back to main list when appropriate. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Bruna Martins dos Santos" >> To: "governance" >> Sent: 13/08/2019 4:26:55 AM >> Subject: [governance] IGC Co-Coordinators Indicative timeline - Up for >> discussion >> >> Dear IGC, >> >> With regards to our Co-Coordinator elections, I would like to present to >> you a tentative timeline and some other issues pending. >> >> In a recent chat with Ian and due to some of the replies on the list, I >> take that we are still to define the following: >> (a) voting system to our upcoming elections; >> (b) select a small team of scrutineers to liaise with the tech team and >> help us assess the election results. >> >> With regards to the first one, I would very much welcome recommendations >> from the tech team on voting softwares. I know that there has been some >> suggestions as to how simple the process has been but we havent yet >> discussed any options and process. >> >> About the scrutineers, this would be a team that would help us assess the >> election results, run some validity checks and agree on a statement >> regarding the final voting results. Important to note that, in case you >> plan to run for any of the Co-Coordinator slots, its not recommendable that >> you apply for this post. >> >> As mentioned before, we will elect both Co-Coordinator slots, the >> difference is that one of the posts will have a smaller term - 1 year - >> while the other will have the normal term - 2 years. Additionally, as >> usual, we will accept nominations coming from members and candidates >> themselves. >> >> Having said that, I would like to present to you a tentative timeline for >> our upcoming elections below. >> >> *Nomination Period* - August 21st until September 4th >> *Candidates acceptance and Statement submission* - September 8th >> *Voting period* - from 9th to September 23rd >> *Election results announcement *- September 28th >> >> Please let me know your thoughts on this! >> >> Best regards, >> -- >> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >> @boomartins >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> >> >> >> -- >> *Bruna Martins dos Santos * >> >> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos >> @boomartins >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> --- >> To unsubscribe: >> List help: >> > --- > To unsubscribe: > List help: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: