[governance] [bestbits] Fwd: Civil Society in Internet Governance : Road to WSIS+20

Tue Nov 27 18:07:34 EST 2018

Thanks Siva for bringing up the discussion of rejuvenation of Civil Society
for better coordination from a collective standpoint. When I look at the
energy dispense at the individual level, I kept wondering why such energy
could not be harness as a body as it used to be. I could remember the vibes
and impact the body have on various internet governance discussions but
suddenly we all got too busy to pay attention to group coordination
especially to IGC as no one is ready or available when we call out for help
which shows that people preferred to ride alone.

What affected IGC discussion was the lack of technical hands to help when
the infrastructure it was built on had issues. Since migration to risenet,
the discussion on the list and interest keeps going down.

 Though it seem totally not working but still breathing. And that is seen
from the recent names recommendations made by the CSCG Nomcom12 to the MAG
which saw the appointment of Arsene, the IGC co-co to the MAG.

As Renata said that CSCG would need to be more inclusive. If memory serves
me well, recommendations were made during the last CSCG review to open up
membership to other civil society organization but so many issues were
raised which the membership criteria is one aspect. Maybe its time to
revisit and make  things happen as the digital environment is moving
towards digital cooperation and building trust as diplomat instruments.

Regards
Peter.

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018, 3:06 PM Renata Aquino Ribeiro <
governance at lists.riseup.net wrote:

> Hi Carolina
>
> Thanks for the availability of the space at Rightscon.
> However, as we know, most of civil society from LAC and AP won't be
> able to self-fund for Tunisia so again a degree of exclusion is
> expected.
> (Yes, I know Rightscon has travel support but a limited amount).
>
> Some of the group that met during IGF was to contact you to help
> organize that meeting. Would be great to hear periodically about how
> is that going and try and maximize inclusion (live tweeting volunteers
> maybe)
>
> As for the call, BB SC colleagues can weigh in. As outgoing, I hope
> the successors or candidates to succcession come forward for it.
>
> I've always found that it is easier when everybody realizes there are
> no reins to take but a lot of work to do and not enough people to do
> it. So a contribution counts much more than a complaint.
>
> Best,
>
> Renata
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 10:54 AM Carolina Rossini
> <carolina.rossini at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > I talked to a couple of people during IGF, but e did not have a formal
> meeting. There is clearly interest and a feeling that “something is
> missing”. Let’s put that energy to work. :-)))
> >
> > RightsCon has open doors to a coordination meeting and we have private
> spaces planned to accommodate those.
> >
> > I will send a separate email with a doodle poll for a call and happy to
> move from there. Or does anybody else wants to take the reins?
> >
> > P.s the call for proposals is open and the deadline is December 14th!
> Anyone is welcome to submit a proposal there, too! As Michael said, let’s
> not sit around and wait for “leaders”. ;-)
> >
> > Hugs,
> >
> > C
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 8:44 AM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Renata,
> >>
> >> Thanks for your comments and concerns, Renata, which as you know we
> take seriously.
> >>
> >> I am sorry if I misunderstood, but I recall two threads mentioning "CS
> Meeting -  CSCG groups", but that might have been me reading too much into
> it. And, as I said, I was not able to attend the meeting, hence my lack of
> information what was discussed there. But thanks for clarifying that.
> >>
> >> Please note that the idea of the meeting and the discussion of the
> HLPDC process was discussed in the bestbits list. Important to mention that
> the HLPDC meeting was organized between the ones who demonstrated interest
> in following the discussions and the contribution was an outcome of the
> meeting itself. Luckily we were also joined by the Panel's Secretariat, as
> Jovan Kurbalija was kind enough to attend our meeting and sort some doubts
> we had about the panel.
> >>
> >> We nevertheless apologize if you feel this wasn’t done properly or with
> adequate notice.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Bruna
> >>
> >> Em ter, 27 de nov de 2018 às 09:28, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <
> raquino at gmail.com> escreveu:
> >>>
> >>> Dear Bruna
> >>>
> >>> No one said a meeting was organized under the name of CSCG. The aim of
> >>> the meeting was to discuss more civil society participation in
> >>> internet governance spaces including but not exclusively CSCG.
> >>>
> >>> No one discussed this input of HLPDC. I believe mostly did not even
> >>> know of this meeting.
> >>>
> >>> Should you have invited the HLPDC Civil Society and Secretariat, who
> >>> were at IGF, perhaps some strides could already have been made.
> >>>
> >>> As it was so clearly pointed out by Jean, some of us (me) have
> >>> identified that the current composition of CSCG is less than ideal -
> >>> with NCSG, APC, JustNet, Bestbits, and Internet Governance Caucus - a
> >>> rather limited group.
> >>>
> >>> Other groups, esp. Youth, should be part of Civil Society in internet
> >>> governance and the legitimacy of the groups already admitted should
> >>> have some sort of periodical check.
> >>>
> >>> That being said, as outgoing Bestbits Steering Committee member, we'll
> >>> once more get our ducks in a row for (re)election etc. as there is
> >>> time
> >>>
> >>> A meeting would best profit from reps of the new Committee
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Renata
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 9:16 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos
> >>> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Dear all,
> >>> >
> >>> > Just a quick clarification on the Civil Society Meeting:
> >>> >
> >>> > On sunday afternoon some of us met to discuss the High-Level Panel
> on Digital Cooperation and the feasibility of a Civil Society joint input
> to the open consultation the panel has issued. If I am not mistaken, the
> meeting was announced on the Best Bits list and was the result of a past
> discussion around the organization of a Civil Society Meeting on the same
> list. As @Michael Oghia mentioned, the draft of our joint contribution is
> now open for comments and we would be happy to send you guys a report about
> the meeting if its of interest.
> >>> >
> >>> > Other than that, I am also aware that another Civil Society Meeting
> was organized during the IGF (under the name of the CSCG although it wasnt
> organized by the committee), but I was not able to attend this one. From
> what I gathered from the lists, this second meeting was dedicated to
> discussing the Secretariat appointments to the MAG and also the process -
> but I dont have any more details than this.
> >>> >
> >>> > I would also not oppose the idea of an online meeting, we could
> definitely use more coordination and I can suggest the idea to CSCG just so
> we can better coordinate between the groups. Aiming for next week or a date
> in two weeks time would also be better as some of us might be attending the
> FOC this week.
> >>> >
> >>> > Last but not least, if we are to organize such meeting, what would
> be possible agenda items - maybe MAG and HLPDC could be some of them.
> >>> >
> >>> > Best,
> >>> > Bruna
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Em seg, 26 de nov de 2018 às 19:11, "Michael J. Oghia" <
> governance at lists.riseup.net> escreveu:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Works for me, though there is also merit in postponing the call for
> a week or two to give people more time to commit to a full agenda. We could
> also follow-up with Sheetal and Carolina to see how we can strategize for
> next year.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> As a reminder too, the joint HLDPC submission we're putting
> together is still open for comments too.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Best,
> >>> >> -Michael
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 10:56 PM farzaneh badii <
> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Certainly
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> So lets have a meeting.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Normally 12 UTC is a good time for the globe. How about we have
> the meeting this Friday 30 Nov, at 12.00 UTC?
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> If you agree, I will send a calendar invite with the online
> meeting information. We need to set up an agenda until then.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Farzaneh
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 3:53 PM Michael J. Oghia <
> mike.oghia at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> IMO, waiting around for "leaders" to do something is part of the
> problem.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Best,
> >>> >>>> -Michael
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 9:13 PM Sivasubramanian M <
> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Thank you Farzaneh for mentioning the efforts taken by Carolina,
> there might have been informal get togethers or a Dinner, but as far as I
> understand there was no formal CS event during Day0 this year. Would have
> been of value to the IGF if it happened. @Deirdre  If there was an
> disagreement between CS participants once or twice, on one or more issues,
> should we characterize it as a division?  May we what we need is some
> activity, some positive discussion, a face to face meeting at the next
> available opportunity, and a skype call or two in between.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 11:31 PM Remmy Nweke <
> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Valid points Farzaneh, our coordination deserve a wake up call.
> The earlier we start thinking about the questions raised by Siva, the
> better. Hope our coordinators call meeting soon.
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> >>> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 6:53 PM farzaneh badii <
> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>> Thank you Siva, this is a very good question. the Internet
> Governance Caucus network is almost inactive, we did not do any civil
> society event this year before IGF ( I think there was one on Sunday
> though, I am not sure) but all in all we need better coordination.
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>> I think Carolina and others had a meeting to discuss having a
> civil society pre-event of civil society at RightsCon during IGF, was
> wondering what the outcome was?
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>> We can also do an online meeting and discuss what we need to
> do in 2019 to be more active and effective in IG fora.
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>> Best
> >>> >>>>>>> Farzaneh
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 10:47 AM Sivasubramanian M <
> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>
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> >>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>> Hello
> >>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>> The IG Civil Society was formed during WSIS Geneva and WSIS
> Tunis, took shape and was relatively active in the first 10 years leading
> to WSIS+10. Though individual leaders remain committed as ever, the
> interactions in the list, and during face to face opportunities, are at a
> reduced level. What is it that needs to be done by lead participants from
> around the world to strengthen and expand Civil Society participation in
> Internet Governance?
> >>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>> --
> >>> >>>>>>>> Sivasubramanian M
> >>> >>>>>>>> India.
> >>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>> Please send all replies to 6.Internet at gmail.com
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> >>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>
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> >>> >
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