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From nb at bollow.ch  Thu Mar 15 09:14:13 2018
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:14:13 +0100
Subject: [governance] CS statements about MAG renewals at upcoming OC?
In-Reply-To: <FC7442F1-137D-4DED-8768-52701B48A2A0@gmail.com>
References: <CALCecM-jGdmAY3hRXzSaOMpLPQABNBVSQW7jWLMEUUT8_hmfMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5AAA78CB020000880003A1A1@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de>
	<FC7442F1-137D-4DED-8768-52701B48A2A0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180315141413.3a99cb19@quill>

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 08:49:14 -0400
Arsène Tungali (via governance Mailing List)
<governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:

> I too would support such an action!

+1

I'd suggest to in addition make the request that they should make sure
to have a CS MAG member from the host country or a neighboring country.

IMO, the quality of CS participation at the Geneva IGF has suffered
from the lack of any CS person from Western Europe on the MAG. 

> I recall that’s what they wanted
> to do, with opening up the call for application early enough but
> something happened! We never heard about the new MAG members!
> 
> Chengetai announced two days ago (at the current ICANN meeting in
> Puerto Rico) that the list was to be out either on that day or the
> following one. But i am not sure it is out, or did i miss it?

To my best knowledge, the announcement is still missing. I also haven't
seen any announcement yet on when and where the next IGF will take
place.

Greetings,
Norbert

> -----------------
> Arsène Tungali,
> about.me/ArseneTungali
> +243 993810967
> GPG: 523644A0
> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
> 
> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
> 
> > On Mar 15, 2018, at 8:44 AM, Wolfgang Kleinwaechter
> > <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:
> > 
> > Any news about IGF 2018?
> > 
> > w
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >   
> > >>> "Ginger Paque" (via governance Mailing List)
> > >>> <governance at lists.riseup.net> 15.03.18 13.42 Uhr >>>  
> > Apologies if this has been discussed and I have not seen it. If it
> > has, please consider this as my support for such statements, as I
> > think it is very important.
> > 
> > Are CS groups preparing statements at the opening of the OC to make
> > it very clear that the MAG needs to be reappointed much earlier —
> > and that its new membership should be effective on the last day of
> > the IGF Annual meeting? 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Ginger
> > ______________________________
> > 
> > Ginger (Virginia) Paque
> > 
> > IG and E-diplomacy Programmes | Research Associate
> > DiploFoundation
> > 
> > WMO | 7bis, Avenue de la Paix | 1202 Geneva - Switzerland
> > www.diplomacy.edu
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ---
> > To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
> > List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>  


From governance at lists.riseup.net  Thu Mar 15 10:01:27 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne?= Tungali (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 10:01:27 -0400
Subject: [governance] CS statements about MAG renewals at upcoming OC?
In-Reply-To: <20180315141413.3a99cb19@quill>
References: <CALCecM-jGdmAY3hRXzSaOMpLPQABNBVSQW7jWLMEUUT8_hmfMg@mail.gmail.com> <5AAA78CB020000880003A1A1@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de> <FC7442F1-137D-4DED-8768-52701B48A2A0@gmail.com> <20180315141413.3a99cb19@quill>
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> On Mar 15, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
> . I also haven't
> seen any announcement yet on when and where the next IGF will take
> place.
> 
On this, Chengetai said they have 3 potential places but they haven’t decided yet. He said this will prob be announced at the end of the OC.

> Greetings,
> Norbert
> 
>> -----------------
>> Arsène Tungali,
>> about.me/ArseneTungali
>> +243 993810967
>> GPG: 523644A0
>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2018, at 8:44 AM, Wolfgang Kleinwaechter
>>> <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Any news about IGF 2018?
>>> 
>>> w
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> "Ginger Paque" (via governance Mailing List)
>>>>>> <governance at lists.riseup.net> 15.03.18 13.42 Uhr >>>  
>>> Apologies if this has been discussed and I have not seen it. If it
>>> has, please consider this as my support for such statements, as I
>>> think it is very important.
>>> 
>>> Are CS groups preparing statements at the opening of the OC to make
>>> it very clear that the MAG needs to be reappointed much earlier —
>>> and that its new membership should be effective on the last day of
>>> the IGF Annual meeting? 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ginger
>>> ______________________________
>>> 
>>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>>> 
>>> IG and E-diplomacy Programmes | Research Associate
>>> DiploFoundation
>>> 
>>> WMO | 7bis, Avenue de la Paix | 1202 Geneva - Switzerland
>>> www.diplomacy.edu
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
>>> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>  
> 
> ---
> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Thu Mar 15 10:59:21 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne?= Tungali (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 10:59:21 -0400
Subject: [governance] IGF MAG 2018
Message-ID: <CABDXvWpshA5U8WCUN1=71jE-yOXR9Wj7YB00mm8mtgUoH9xopA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

The list is finally out:
https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/mag-2018-members#

Congratulations to everyone who made it to the list.

Regards,
Arsene
------------------------
**Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
<http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*, *Mabingwa Forum
<http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>*
Tel: +243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
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<http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors>)
- AFRISIG 2016 <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/> - Blogger
<http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN's GNSO Council
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. AFRINIC Fellow (
Mauritius
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- *IGFSA Member <http://www.igfsa.org/> - Internet Governance - Internet
Freedom.

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From ginger at paque.net  Thu Mar 15 11:18:25 2018
From: ginger at paque.net (Ginger Paque)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 10:18:25 -0500
Subject: [governance] CS statements about MAG renewals at upcoming OC?
In-Reply-To: <0D79276D-D468-4D62-BAEA-577DB3C3DAA2@gmail.com>
References: <CALCecM-jGdmAY3hRXzSaOMpLPQABNBVSQW7jWLMEUUT8_hmfMg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5AAA78CB020000880003A1A1@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de> <FC7442F1-137D-4DED-8768-52701B48A2A0@gmail.com>
 <20180315141413.3a99cb19@quill> <0D79276D-D468-4D62-BAEA-577DB3C3DAA2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALCecM8gyDAhSZf5NpVr2e4Ow85-oZJA38RVNJp3E575v-wKqA@mail.gmail.com>

The announcement and new list are out
https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/mag-2018-members

On 15 March 2018 at 09:01, Arsène Tungali <governance at lists.riseup.net>
wrote:

>
> > On Mar 15, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
> > . I also haven't
> > seen any announcement yet on when and where the next IGF will take
> > place.
> >
> On this, Chengetai said they have 3 potential places but they haven’t
> decided yet. He said this will prob be announced at the end of the OC.
>
> > Greetings,
> > Norbert
> >
> >> -----------------
> >> Arsène Tungali,
> >> about.me/ArseneTungali
> >> +243 993810967
> >> GPG: 523644A0
> >> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
> >>
> >>> On Mar 15, 2018, at 8:44 AM, Wolfgang Kleinwaechter
> >>> <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Any news about IGF 2018?
> >>>
> >>> w
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> "Ginger Paque" (via governance Mailing List)
> >>>>>> <governance at lists.riseup.net> 15.03.18 13.42 Uhr >>>
> >>> Apologies if this has been discussed and I have not seen it. If it
> >>> has, please consider this as my support for such statements, as I
> >>> think it is very important.
> >>>
> >>> Are CS groups preparing statements at the opening of the OC to make
> >>> it very clear that the MAG needs to be reappointed much earlier —
> >>> and that its new membership should be effective on the last day of
> >>> the IGF Annual meeting?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Ginger
> >>> ______________________________
> >>>
> >>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
> >>>
> >>> IG and E-diplomacy Programmes | Research Associate
> >>> DiploFoundation
> >>>
> >>> WMO | 7bis, Avenue de la Paix | 1202 Geneva - Switzerland
> >>> www.diplomacy.edu
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
> >>> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
> >
> > ---
> > To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Thu Mar 15 11:33:33 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Akinremi Peter Taiwo (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 16:33:33 +0100
Subject: [governance] CS statements about MAG renewals at upcoming OC?
In-Reply-To: <CALCecM8gyDAhSZf5NpVr2e4Ow85-oZJA38RVNJp3E575v-wKqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALCecM-jGdmAY3hRXzSaOMpLPQABNBVSQW7jWLMEUUT8_hmfMg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5AAA78CB020000880003A1A1@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de> <FC7442F1-137D-4DED-8768-52701B48A2A0@gmail.com>
 <20180315141413.3a99cb19@quill> <0D79276D-D468-4D62-BAEA-577DB3C3DAA2@gmail.com>
 <CALCecM8gyDAhSZf5NpVr2e4Ow85-oZJA38RVNJp3E575v-wKqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGK4d0-oxc0LQUKoT65aPp8GuVt9EgWvdRtHD1-bUaAWbabm=A@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations to all the selected fellows.

Regards.
Peter

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Ginger Paque <ginger at paque.net> wrote:

> The announcement and new list are out https://www.intgovforum.
> org/multilingual/content/mag-2018-members
>
> On 15 March 2018 at 09:01, Arsène Tungali <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> > On Mar 15, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
>> > . I also haven't
>> > seen any announcement yet on when and where the next IGF will take
>> > place.
>> >
>> On this, Chengetai said they have 3 potential places but they haven’t
>> decided yet. He said this will prob be announced at the end of the OC.
>>
>> > Greetings,
>> > Norbert
>> >
>> >> -----------------
>> >> Arsène Tungali,
>> >> about.me/ArseneTungali
>> >> +243 993810967
>> >> GPG: 523644A0
>> >> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>> >>
>> >>> On Mar 15, 2018, at 8:44 AM, Wolfgang Kleinwaechter
>> >>> <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Any news about IGF 2018?
>> >>>
>> >>> w
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> "Ginger Paque" (via governance Mailing List)
>> >>>>>> <governance at lists.riseup.net> 15.03.18 13.42 Uhr >>>
>> >>> Apologies if this has been discussed and I have not seen it. If it
>> >>> has, please consider this as my support for such statements, as I
>> >>> think it is very important.
>> >>>
>> >>> Are CS groups preparing statements at the opening of the OC to make
>> >>> it very clear that the MAG needs to be reappointed much earlier —
>> >>> and that its new membership should be effective on the last day of
>> >>> the IGF Annual meeting?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Ginger
>> >>> ______________________________
>> >>>
>> >>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>> >>>
>> >>> IG and E-diplomacy Programmes | Research Associate
>> >>> DiploFoundation
>> >>>
>> >>> WMO | 7bis, Avenue de la Paix | 1202 Geneva - Switzerland
>> >>> www.diplomacy.edu
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ---
>> >>> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
>> >>> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
>> >
>> > ---
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From Charity.G.Embley at ttu.edu  Thu Mar 15 12:22:15 2018
From: Charity.G.Embley at ttu.edu (Embley, Charity G)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 16:22:15 +0000
Subject: [governance] CS statements about MAG renewals at upcoming OC?
In-Reply-To: <CAGK4d0-oxc0LQUKoT65aPp8GuVt9EgWvdRtHD1-bUaAWbabm=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALCecM-jGdmAY3hRXzSaOMpLPQABNBVSQW7jWLMEUUT8_hmfMg@mail.gmail.com>
 <5AAA78CB020000880003A1A1@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de>
 <FC7442F1-137D-4DED-8768-52701B48A2A0@gmail.com>
 <20180315141413.3a99cb19@quill>
 <0D79276D-D468-4D62-BAEA-577DB3C3DAA2@gmail.com>
 <CALCecM8gyDAhSZf5NpVr2e4Ow85-oZJA38RVNJp3E575v-wKqA@mail.gmail.com>,<CAGK4d0-oxc0LQUKoT65aPp8GuVt9EgWvdRtHD1-bUaAWbabm=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <049AC4E3-9EAC-409E-95F7-494A9B16D3A9@ttu.edu>

Hi,

I noticed that the new MAG list did not specifically (or solely) include representation from the “academe.” Or do other MAG members have dual representation- academe/CS or academe/technical? Sorry if I missed this. I’m just realizing this now.

Thanks,
Charity Embley, M.Ed
Texas Tech University
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 15, 2018, at 11:33 AM, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <governance at lists.riseup.net<mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:

Congratulations to all the selected fellows.

Regards.
Peter

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 4:18 PM, Ginger Paque <ginger at paque.net<mailto:ginger at paque.net>> wrote:
The announcement and new list are out https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/mag-2018-members<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.intgovforum.org%2Fmultilingual%2Fcontent%2Fmag-2018-members&data=02%7C01%7Ccharity.g.embley%40ttu.edu%7Ca9ade7aa91af48dc246008d58a8a25d2%7C178a51bf8b2049ffb65556245d5c173c%7C0%7C0%7C636567248304539342&sdata=c2XAIS2PW6%2FzoKiQB8k7l83QiuTh9YyJDj9cEUTs90E%3D&reserved=0>

On 15 March 2018 at 09:01, Arsène Tungali <governance at lists.riseup.net<mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:

> On Mar 15, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch<mailto:nb at bollow.ch>> wrote:
> . I also haven't
> seen any announcement yet on when and where the next IGF will take
> place.
>
On this, Chengetai said they have 3 potential places but they haven’t decided yet. He said this will prob be announced at the end of the OC.

> Greetings,
> Norbert
>
>> -----------------
>> Arsène Tungali,
>> about.me/ArseneTungali<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2FArseneTungali&data=02%7C01%7Ccharity.g.embley%40ttu.edu%7Ca9ade7aa91af48dc246008d58a8a25d2%7C178a51bf8b2049ffb65556245d5c173c%7C0%7C0%7C636567248304539342&sdata=KG0Pg%2BzEbAtpUXFfrVEffN0VU1qjdsSJvOqLp%2FJC7wI%3D&reserved=0>
>> +243 993810967<tel:%2B243%20993810967>
>> GPG: 523644A0
>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>
>>> On Mar 15, 2018, at 8:44 AM, Wolfgang Kleinwaechter
>>> <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de<mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Any news about IGF 2018?
>>>
>>> w
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> "Ginger Paque" (via governance Mailing List)
>>>>>> <governance at lists.riseup.net<mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> 15.03.18 13.42 Uhr >>>
>>> Apologies if this has been discussed and I have not seen it. If it
>>> has, please consider this as my support for such statements, as I
>>> think it is very important.
>>>
>>> Are CS groups preparing statements at the opening of the OC to make
>>> it very clear that the MAG needs to be reappointed much earlier —
>>> and that its new membership should be effective on the last day of
>>> the IGF Annual meeting?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ginger
>>> ______________________________
>>>
>>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>>>
>>> IG and E-diplomacy Programmes | Research Associate
>>> DiploFoundation
>>>
>>> WMO | 7bis, Avenue de la Paix | 1202 Geneva - Switzerland
>>> www.diplomacy.edu<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.diplomacy.edu&data=02%7C01%7Ccharity.g.embley%40ttu.edu%7Ca9ade7aa91af48dc246008d58a8a25d2%7C178a51bf8b2049ffb65556245d5c173c%7C0%7C0%7C636567248304539342&sdata=R1CaoA2nzHQBIZsok8lCXWQ1h%2FLDBjmbexq5xiwAdQg%3D&reserved=0>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From joly at punkcast.com  Sat Mar 17 19:44:57 2018
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 19:44:57 -0400
Subject: [governance] INTERNET BEYOND Conference, Moscow, May 29-31
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk0U2TRWT=rhkmB7OzVjTKLgN9WL9Of9p_c_wq3Zha7iwA@mail.gmail.com>

 Internet Beyond is an Internet & Society conference, now in its 3rd year.
This year the theme is "internet which becomes less global (or not?) in
different perspectives: governance, practices, histories, discourses."

To participate in person you must submit a 300-500 word proposal before Mar
31 and pay a small voluntary fee and your own expenses. Free remote
participation will (as I understand it) also be available.

website: http://internetbeyond.net/en

​contact: Polina   poli.kolozaridi at gmail.com ​

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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Mon Mar 19 15:37:34 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne?= Tungali (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:37:34 -0500
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
Message-ID: <3217CB70-536B-4965-9532-224554A22C9B@gmail.com>

https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf-ensure-healthy-future/

A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the need to reform the IGF. I know this is what so many other people believe we should do. Let’s talk about it!

Can we discuss what are the changes that we would like to see happen to make the IGF as strong and powerful as it used to be? As of now, no one know where the IGF 2018 will take place and we are in March! All i know and heard from Chengetai is that they have 3 countries in mind but are yet to decide!

Now that the new MAG was announced, what are our expectations of its members? What do you think of new and past members? What can we expect from our CS representatives there?

Thanks,
Arsene
-----------------
Arsène Tungali,
about.me/ArseneTungali
+243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo

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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Mon Mar 19 18:12:48 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Raoul Plommer (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 18:12:48 -0400
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
In-Reply-To: <3217CB70-536B-4965-9532-224554A22C9B@gmail.com>
References: <3217CB70-536B-4965-9532-224554A22C9B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADirp9Q3yMZ_HKUiJRYtOnavMbCBLnVJSF52E94W9ue73=1vwg@mail.gmail.com>

I was asking him this as well and I think we'll know the result in the next
week. Let's keep each other posted on this. :)

-Raoul

On 19 March 2018 at 15:37, Arsène Tungali <governance at lists.riseup.net>
wrote:

> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-
> igf-ensure-healthy-future/
>
>
> A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the need to reform the IGF. I know this is
> what so many other people believe we should do. Let’s talk about it!
>
>
> Can we discuss what are the changes that we would like to see happen to
> make the IGF as strong and powerful as it used to be? As of now, no one
> know where the IGF 2018 will take place and we are in March! All i know and
> heard from Chengetai is that they have 3 countries in mind but are yet to
> decide!
>
>
> Now that the new MAG was announced, what are our expectations of its
> members? What do you think of new and past members? What can we expect from
> our CS representatives there?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Arsene
> -----------------
> Arsène Tungali,
> about.me/ArseneTungali
> +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
> GPG: 523644A0
> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>
> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>
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From anriette at apc.org  Tue Mar 20 03:39:25 2018
From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 09:39:25 +0200
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
In-Reply-To: <CADirp9Q3yMZ_HKUiJRYtOnavMbCBLnVJSF52E94W9ue73=1vwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3217CB70-536B-4965-9532-224554A22C9B@gmail.com>
 <CADirp9Q3yMZ_HKUiJRYtOnavMbCBLnVJSF52E94W9ue73=1vwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8173cb0-89a9-fb9a-4342-22c05b4a0591@apc.org>

Thanks for posting Raul's blog, Arsene. It is very good.

Also posting here, in case we forgot to earlier  this year, the link to
APC's submission to the  stock taking. We will be reading a short
version today.

http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/5916/1057

The synthesis paper on submissions prepared by the secretariat is here:

http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/5915/1068


Anriette Esterhuysen

APC.org



On 20/03/2018 00:12, Raoul Plommer (via governance Mailing List) wrote:
> I was asking him this as well and I think we'll know the result in the
> next week. Let's keep each other posted on this. :)
>
> -Raoul
>
> On 19 March 2018 at 15:37, Arsène Tungali <governance at lists.riseup.net
> <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:
>
>     https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf-ensure-healthy-future/
>     <https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf-ensure-healthy-future/>
>
>
>     A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the need to reform the IGF. I know
>     this is what so many other people believe we should do. Let’s talk
>     about it!
>
>
>     Can we discuss what are the changes that we would like to see
>     happen to make the IGF as strong and powerful as it used to be? As
>     of now, no one know where the IGF 2018 will take place and we are
>     in March! All i know and heard from Chengetai is that they have 3
>     countries in mind but are yet to decide!
>
>
>     Now that the new MAG was announced, what are our expectations of
>     its members? What do you think of new and past members? What can
>     we expect from our CS representatives there?
>
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Arsene
>
>     -----------------
>     Arsène Tungali,
>     about.me/ArseneTungali <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>
>     +243 993810967 <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967>
>     GPG: 523644A0
>     Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>
>     Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>
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From joly at punkcast.com  Tue Mar  6 06:47:52 2018
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 06:47:52 -0500
Subject: [governance] WEBCAST TODAY: Congress NTIA Oversight hearing
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk0w=hqWBOfPaj2BH8h1dQ6xW0FBBznn2LzMmL5DGtgOSw@mail.gmail.com>

 ​It took almost a year for the Trump administration to find a replacement
for.Larry Strickling​.  David J. Redl was sworn in in November 2017, and
this is his first time up before E&C. However it is familiar ground for him
as he formerly served as the Committee's general counsel. One warm potato
is whether there will be any attempt to undo the IANA transition --
something most consider a fait accompli. For sure there was no mention of
it in his State of the Net keynote
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/sotn18/videos/169465558> in Jan.
​​



<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/netneutrality18/edit>

​

​

[image: energy & commerce] <https://energycommerce.house.gov/>Today, *Tuesday
March 6 2018* at *10:00 EST*, the *U.S. House of Representatives Energy &
Commerce Committee’s Subcommittee on Communications and Technology
<https://energycommerce.house.gov/subcommittees/communications-and-technology>*
 is holding a hearing *Oversight of the National Telecommunications and
Information Administration
<https://energycommerce.house.gov/hearings/oversight-national-telecommunications-information-administration/>
*in
Washington DC. Sole witness will be *David Redl*, Assistant Secretary for
Communications and Information, National Telecommunications and Information
Administration, U.S. Department of Commerce. The hearing will be webcast
live on YouTube <https://youtu.be/u5wJK1hsfkk>.

*View on YouTube*: https://youtu.be/u5wJK1hsfkk
*Witness Statement*: http://bit.ly/2Fj5qU8
*Twitter*: #subcommtech + @ntiagov http://bit.ly/ecntiagov

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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Tue Mar 20 05:39:21 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Akinremi Peter Taiwo (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 10:39:21 +0100
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
In-Reply-To: <b8173cb0-89a9-fb9a-4342-22c05b4a0591@apc.org>
References: <3217CB70-536B-4965-9532-224554A22C9B@gmail.com>
 <CADirp9Q3yMZ_HKUiJRYtOnavMbCBLnVJSF52E94W9ue73=1vwg@mail.gmail.com> <b8173cb0-89a9-fb9a-4342-22c05b4a0591@apc.org>
Message-ID: <CAGK4d09uXTtG9bjQ1cFsLaLY-RttH5ejw5kz3REjjb2GKO-rKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for Sharing Arsene. The Internet Governance Forum actually needs to
be an avenue for concrete outcomes that feed into policies. I think those
points raised by Raul was part of MAG discussions yesterday at the WSIS
which I was privileged to attend. But though it goes beyond discussion to
implementation.

Regards.
Peter

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
wrote:

> Thanks for posting Raul's blog, Arsene. It is very good.
>
> Also posting here, in case we forgot to earlier  this year, the link to
> APC's submission to the  stock taking. We will be reading a short version
> today.
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=
> filedepot_download/5916/1057
> The synthesis paper on submissions prepared by the secretariat is here:
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=
> filedepot_download/5915/1068
>
> Anriette Esterhuysen
>
> APC.org
>
>
>
> On 20/03/2018 00:12, Raoul Plommer (via governance Mailing List) wrote:
>
> I was asking him this as well and I think we'll know the result in the
> next week. Let's keep each other posted on this. :)
>
> -Raoul
>
> On 19 March 2018 at 15:37, Arsène Tungali <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> wrote:
>
>> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf
>> -ensure-healthy-future/
>>
>>
>> A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the need to reform the IGF. I know this is
>> what so many other people believe we should do. Let’s talk about it!
>>
>>
>> Can we discuss what are the changes that we would like to see happen to
>> make the IGF as strong and powerful as it used to be? As of now, no one
>> know where the IGF 2018 will take place and we are in March! All i know and
>> heard from Chengetai is that they have 3 countries in mind but are yet to
>> decide!
>>
>>
>> Now that the new MAG was announced, what are our expectations of its
>> members? What do you think of new and past members? What can we expect from
>> our CS representatives there?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Arsene
>> -----------------
>> Arsène Tungali,
>> about.me/ArseneTungali
>> +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
>> GPG: 523644A0
>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>
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*Website: *www.acsis-scasi.org

*Chief E*xecutive Consultant.
[ Compsoftnet Enterprise ]
www.compsoftnet.com.ng
Nigeria

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[ RetailPoint ]
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From ayden at ferdeline.com  Tue Mar 20 05:49:51 2018
From: ayden at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 05:49:51 -0400
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
In-Reply-To: <CAGK4d09uXTtG9bjQ1cFsLaLY-RttH5ejw5kz3REjjb2GKO-rKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3217CB70-536B-4965-9532-224554A22C9B@gmail.com>
 <CADirp9Q3yMZ_HKUiJRYtOnavMbCBLnVJSF52E94W9ue73=1vwg@mail.gmail.com>
 <b8173cb0-89a9-fb9a-4342-22c05b4a0591@apc.org>
 <CAGK4d09uXTtG9bjQ1cFsLaLY-RttH5ejw5kz3REjjb2GKO-rKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <gJS1ooKYxhSlBhYe-v4aQmAHjQ3CIObSrgmpN_fOQEats0bylUgTtQf7AZucaQKCyoLR0VgercBxv7kv85UJdpF5N96VOa2mVZyPDs0RZRU=@ferdeline.com>

I take no pleasure entering into this conversation and painting a purely negative picture, but I do think the time for saving the IGF has passed. I'm not convinced that it can be reformed, though I hope I am wrong, because there is definitely a need for an institutional home for stakeholders to effectively collaborate upon the development of global public policy for the Internet. Civil society aside - I know we engage in the IGF - I think other stakeholders have moved on. It is my perception that important, consequential discussions are happening elsewhere and unlikely to return to the IGF.

I have only attended two IGFs, in Guadalajara and in Geneva, but it has been my perception that the IGF has never recognised its own shortcomings nor taken steps to address and overcome them. This lack of self-awareness, I believe, has hindered its own legitimacy.

If the IGF can be reformed that would be wonderful. We need a venue which can credibly generate and communicate policy recommendations. I'm just not convinced the IGF is up to the job, be that because of a lack of funding, a lack of agility, or another reason altogether.

Best wishes,

Ayden Férdeline
[linkedin.com/in/ferdeline](http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline)

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On 20 March 2018 9:39 AM, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:

> Thanks for Sharing Arsene. The Internet Governance Forum actually needs to be an avenue for concrete outcomes that feed into policies. I think those points raised by Raul was part of MAG discussions yesterday at the WSIS which I was privileged to attend. But though it goes beyond discussion to implementation.
>
> Regards.
> Peter
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for posting Raul's blog, Arsene. It is very good.
>>
>> Also posting here, in case we forgot to earlier  this year, the link to APC's submission to the  stock taking. We will be reading a short version today.
>>
>> http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/5916/1057
>>
>> The synthesis paper on submissions prepared by the secretariat is here:
>>
>> http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/5915/1068
>>
>> Anriette Esterhuysen
>>
>> APC.org
>>
>> On 20/03/2018 00:12, Raoul Plommer (via governance Mailing List) wrote:
>>
>>> I was asking him this as well and I think we'll know the result in the next week. Let's keep each other posted on this. :)
>>>
>>> -Raoul
>>>
>>> On 19 March 2018 at 15:37, Arsène Tungali <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf-ensure-healthy-future/
>>>>
>>>> A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the need to reform the IGF. I know this is what so many other people believe we should do. Let’s talk about it!
>>>>
>>>> Can we discuss what are the changes that we would like to see happen to make the IGF as strong and powerful as it used to be? As of now, no one know where the IGF 2018 will take place and we are in March! All i know and heard from Chengetai is that they have 3 countries in mind but are yet to decide!
>>>>
>>>> Now that the new MAG was announced, what are our expectations of its members? What do you think of new and past members? What can we expect from our CS representatives there?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Arsene
>>>>
>>>> -----------------
>>>> Arsène Tungali,
>>>> about.me/ArseneTungali
>>>> [+243 993810967](tel:+243%20993%20810%20967)
>>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>>>
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From anriette at apc.org  Tue Mar 20 09:40:26 2018
From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 15:40:26 +0200
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
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Dear Ayden

I attach the oral statement deliver by Julian Casasbuenas this morning
on behalf of the APC. In it we say that the IGF should not be taken for
granted. It is not perfect, but it is much better than anything else we
had before and at this point I don't see a substitute. We need to
challenge it and improve it.

What are the spaces you refer to when you say important, consequential
discussions are happening elsewhere? And how inclusive are these
conversations? And how cross-issue (e.g. linking rights, with
development, trade, education, etc.).

There are other important events, e.g. RightsCon.. but it has its own
important role to play and is not a substitute for the IGF.

The IGF's link to the UN system and UN resolutions (at the Human Rights
Council, the General Assembly and so on) remains valuable to those of us
who try and work with our governments, as well as challenge them.
Through this link we can make connections with  the SDGs...  you might
be skeptical about all of these spaces and processes - I am often
skeptical myself.. but ultimately I think that policy and agreed goals,
and the accountability they can link to, make a difference.

There is a kind of paradox around the IGF. Who is the  IGF? Is it the
MAG, a rotating body with a limited mandate, focused on the programme?
The Secretariat, a small team with a huge operational load and unclear
political support? Is it UNDESA, the official "home" for the IGF but a
body that is not actively involved in internet governance?

When you talk about self-awareness, who is the self ? Everyone who
participates, organise sessions, etc. are also part of the IGF.

One of the IGF's innovations is that it does not have a top down
institutional structure, but that is also a weakness when it comes to
changing it.

Nevertheless, I still think that it is a very powerful space, and if we
lose it (and I am referring to specifically to civil society, with
emphasis to those of us from the global South) it would leave a gap that
will not be filled very easily. And considering how many other spaces
for civil society are closing, I think we should work hard to keep this
one open.

I agree with Raul. We still need the IGF.

Best

Anriette



On 20/03/2018 11:49, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
> I take no pleasure entering into this conversation and painting a
> purely negative picture, but I do think the time for saving the IGF
> has passed. I'm not convinced that it can be reformed, though I hope I
> am wrong, because there is definitely a need for an institutional home
> for stakeholders to effectively collaborate upon the development of
> global public policy for the Internet. Civil society aside - I know we
> engage in the IGF - I think other stakeholders have moved on. It is my
> perception that important, consequential discussions are happening
> elsewhere and unlikely to return to the IGF.
>
> I have only attended two IGFs, in Guadalajara and in Geneva, but it
> has been my perception that the IGF has never recognised its own
> shortcomings nor taken steps to address and overcome them. This lack
> of self-awareness, I believe, has hindered its own legitimacy.
>
> If the IGF can be reformed that would be wonderful. We need a venue
> which can credibly generate and communicate policy recommendations.
> I'm just not convinced the IGF is up to the job, be that because of a
> lack of funding, a lack of agility, or another reason altogether. 
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ayden Férdeline
> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On 20 March 2018 9:39 AM, Akinremi Peter Taiwo
> <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for Sharing Arsene. The Internet Governance Forum actually
>> needs to be an avenue for concrete outcomes that feed into policies.
>> I think those points raised by Raul was part of MAG discussions
>> yesterday at the WSIS which I was privileged to attend. But though it
>> goes beyond discussion to implementation.
>>
>> Regards.
>> Peter
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen
>> <anriette at apc.org <mailto:anriette at apc.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Thanks for posting Raul's blog, Arsene. It is very good.
>>
>>     Also posting here, in case we forgot to earlier  this year, the
>>     link to APC's submission to the  stock taking. We will be reading
>>     a short version today.
>>
>>     http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/5916/1057
>>     <http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/5916/1057>
>>
>>     The synthesis paper on submissions prepared by the secretariat is
>>     here:
>>
>>     http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/5915/1068
>>     <http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/5915/1068>
>>
>>
>>     Anriette Esterhuysen
>>
>>     APC.org
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 20/03/2018 00:12, Raoul Plommer (via governance Mailing List)
>>     wrote:
>>>     I was asking him this as well and I think we'll know the result
>>>     in the next week. Let's keep each other posted on this. :)
>>>
>>>     -Raoul
>>>
>>>     On 19 March 2018 at 15:37, Arsène Tungali
>>>     <governance at lists.riseup.net
>>>     <mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf-ensure-healthy-future/
>>>         <https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf-ensure-healthy-future/>
>>>
>>>
>>>         A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the need to reform the IGF. I
>>>         know this is what so many other people believe we should do.
>>>         Let’s talk about it!
>>>
>>>
>>>         Can we discuss what are the changes that we would like to
>>>         see happen to make the IGF as strong and powerful as it used
>>>         to be? As of now, no one know where the IGF 2018 will take
>>>         place and we are in March! All i know and heard from
>>>         Chengetai is that they have 3 countries in mind but are yet
>>>         to decide!
>>>
>>>
>>>         Now that the new MAG was announced, what are our
>>>         expectations of its members? What do you think of new and
>>>         past members? What can we expect from our CS representatives
>>>         there?
>>>
>>>
>>>         Thanks,
>>>
>>>         Arsene
>>>
>>>         -----------------
>>>         Arsène Tungali,
>>>         about.me/ArseneTungali <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>
>>>         +243 993810967 <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967>
>>>         GPG: 523644A0
>>>         Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>>
>>>         Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>>
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>> *Akinremi Peter Taiwo*
>> [ West Africa Coordinator ]
>> African Civil Society on Information Society (*ACSIS*)
>> *Website: *www.acsis-scasi.org <http://www.acsis-scasi.org>
>>
>> *Chief E*xecutive Consultant.
>> [ Compsoftnet Enterprise ]
>> www.compsoftnet.com.ng <http://www.compsoftnet.com.ng>
>> Nigeria
>>
>> *T*echnical Consultant
>> [ RetailPoint ]
>> Lagos
>> Website: www.retailpos.com.ng <http://www.retailpos.com.ng>
>>
>> *Phone:* +2347-0638-30177, +2348-1874-76292
>> *twitter:* @compsoftnet
>> *Skype:* akinremi.peter
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From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Michael ILISHEBO (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 16:20:00 +0200
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
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Anriette,

I can't agree more with your statement.





*Michael L. Ilishebo,*

*Kitwe, Zambia*

*Social Media Handles*

*Twitter: @ilishebo*

*Skype: michael.ilishebo*




*"walk a mile,for a while,with a smile"*

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
wrote:

> Dear Ayden
>
> I attach the oral statement deliver by Julian Casasbuenas this morning on
> behalf of the APC. In it we say that the IGF should not be taken for
> granted. It is not perfect, but it is much better than anything else we had
> before and at this point I don't see a substitute. We need to challenge it
> and improve it.
>
> What are the spaces you refer to when you say important, consequential
> discussions are happening elsewhere? And how inclusive are these
> conversations? And how cross-issue (e.g. linking rights, with development,
> trade, education, etc.).
>
> There are other important events, e.g. RightsCon.. but it has its own
> important role to play and is not a substitute for the IGF.
>
> The IGF's link to the UN system and UN resolutions (at the Human Rights
> Council, the General Assembly and so on) remains valuable to those of us
> who try and work with our governments, as well as challenge them. Through
> this link we can make connections with  the SDGs...  you might be skeptical
> about all of these spaces and processes - I am often skeptical myself.. but
> ultimately I think that policy and agreed goals, and the accountability
> they can link to, make a difference.
>
> There is a kind of paradox around the IGF. Who is the  IGF? Is it the MAG,
> a rotating body with a limited mandate, focused on the programme? The
> Secretariat, a small team with a huge operational load and unclear
> political support? Is it UNDESA, the official "home" for the IGF but a body
> that is not actively involved in internet governance?
>
> When you talk about self-awareness, who is the self ? Everyone who
> participates, organise sessions, etc. are also part of the IGF.
>
> One of the IGF's innovations is that it does not have a top down
> institutional structure, but that is also a weakness when it comes to
> changing it.
>
> Nevertheless, I still think that it is a very powerful space, and if we
> lose it (and I am referring to specifically to civil society, with emphasis
> to those of us from the global South) it would leave a gap that will not be
> filled very easily. And considering how many other spaces for civil society
> are closing, I think we should work hard to keep this one open.
>
> I agree with Raul. We still need the IGF.
>
> Best
>
> Anriette
>
>
>
> On 20/03/2018 11:49, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>
> I take no pleasure entering into this conversation and painting a purely
> negative picture, but I do think the time for saving the IGF has passed.
> I'm not convinced that it can be reformed, though I hope I am wrong,
> because there is definitely a need for an institutional home for
> stakeholders to effectively collaborate upon the development of global
> public policy for the Internet. Civil society aside - I know we engage in
> the IGF - I think other stakeholders have moved on. It is my perception
> that important, consequential discussions are happening elsewhere and
> unlikely to return to the IGF.
>
> I have only attended two IGFs, in Guadalajara and in Geneva, but it has
> been my perception that the IGF has never recognised its own shortcomings
> nor taken steps to address and overcome them. This lack of self-awareness,
> I believe, has hindered its own legitimacy.
>
> If the IGF can be reformed that would be wonderful. We need a venue which
> can credibly generate and communicate policy recommendations. I'm just not
> convinced the IGF is up to the job, be that because of a lack of funding, a
> lack of agility, or another reason altogether.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ayden Férdeline
> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On 20 March 2018 9:39 AM, Akinremi Peter Taiwo
> <governance at lists.riseup.net> <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks for Sharing Arsene. The Internet Governance Forum actually needs to
> be an avenue for concrete outcomes that feed into policies. I think those
> points raised by Raul was part of MAG discussions yesterday at the WSIS
> which I was privileged to attend. But though it goes beyond discussion to
> implementation.
>
> Regards.
> Peter
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for posting Raul's blog, Arsene. It is very good.
>>
>> Also posting here, in case we forgot to earlier  this year, the link to
>> APC's submission to the  stock taking. We will be reading a short version
>> today.
>>
>> http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepo
>> t_download/5916/1057
>> The synthesis paper on submissions prepared by the secretariat is here:
>>
>> http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepo
>> t_download/5915/1068
>>
>> Anriette Esterhuysen
>>
>> APC.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20/03/2018 00:12, Raoul Plommer (via governance Mailing List) wrote:
>>
>> I was asking him this as well and I think we'll know the result in the
>> next week. Let's keep each other posted on this. :)
>>
>> -Raoul
>>
>> On 19 March 2018 at 15:37, Arsène Tungali <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf
>>> -ensure-healthy-future/
>>>
>>>
>>> A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the need to reform the IGF. I know this is
>>> what so many other people believe we should do. Let’s talk about it!
>>>
>>>
>>> Can we discuss what are the changes that we would like to see happen to
>>> make the IGF as strong and powerful as it used to be? As of now, no one
>>> know where the IGF 2018 will take place and we are in March! All i know and
>>> heard from Chengetai is that they have 3 countries in mind but are yet to
>>> decide!
>>>
>>>
>>> Now that the new MAG was announced, what are our expectations of its
>>> members? What do you think of new and past members? What can we expect from
>>> our CS representatives there?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Arsene
>>> -----------------
>>> Arsène Tungali,
>>> about.me/ArseneTungali
>>> +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>>
>>> ---
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>>> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>
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> [ West Africa Coordinator ]
> African Civil Society on Information Society (*ACSIS*)
> *Website: *www.acsis-scasi.org
>
> *Chief E*xecutive Consultant.
> [ Compsoftnet Enterprise ]
> www.compsoftnet.com.ng
> Nigeria
>
> *T*echnical Consultant
> [ RetailPoint ]
> Lagos
> Website: www.retailpos.com.ng
>
> *Phone:* +2347-0638-30177, +2348-1874-76292
> *twitter:* @compsoftnet
> *Skype:* akinremi.peter
>
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From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Wisdom Donkor (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 14:44:14 +0000
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
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I cant also agree more with your statement.

Regards,

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On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Michael ILISHEBO <
governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:

> Anriette,
>
> I can't agree more with your statement.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Michael L. Ilishebo,*
>
> *Kitwe, Zambia*
>
> *Social Media Handles*
>
> *Twitter: @ilishebo*
>
> *Skype: michael.ilishebo*
>
>
>
>
> *"walk a mile,for a while,with a smile"*
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Ayden
>>
>> I attach the oral statement deliver by Julian Casasbuenas this morning on
>> behalf of the APC. In it we say that the IGF should not be taken for
>> granted. It is not perfect, but it is much better than anything else we had
>> before and at this point I don't see a substitute. We need to challenge it
>> and improve it.
>>
>> What are the spaces you refer to when you say important, consequential
>> discussions are happening elsewhere? And how inclusive are these
>> conversations? And how cross-issue (e.g. linking rights, with development,
>> trade, education, etc.).
>>
>> There are other important events, e.g. RightsCon.. but it has its own
>> important role to play and is not a substitute for the IGF.
>>
>> The IGF's link to the UN system and UN resolutions (at the Human Rights
>> Council, the General Assembly and so on) remains valuable to those of us
>> who try and work with our governments, as well as challenge them. Through
>> this link we can make connections with  the SDGs...  you might be skeptical
>> about all of these spaces and processes - I am often skeptical myself.. but
>> ultimately I think that policy and agreed goals, and the accountability
>> they can link to, make a difference.
>>
>> There is a kind of paradox around the IGF. Who is the  IGF? Is it the
>> MAG, a rotating body with a limited mandate, focused on the programme? The
>> Secretariat, a small team with a huge operational load and unclear
>> political support? Is it UNDESA, the official "home" for the IGF but a body
>> that is not actively involved in internet governance?
>>
>> When you talk about self-awareness, who is the self ? Everyone who
>> participates, organise sessions, etc. are also part of the IGF.
>>
>> One of the IGF's innovations is that it does not have a top down
>> institutional structure, but that is also a weakness when it comes to
>> changing it.
>>
>> Nevertheless, I still think that it is a very powerful space, and if we
>> lose it (and I am referring to specifically to civil society, with emphasis
>> to those of us from the global South) it would leave a gap that will not be
>> filled very easily. And considering how many other spaces for civil society
>> are closing, I think we should work hard to keep this one open.
>>
>> I agree with Raul. We still need the IGF.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Anriette
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20/03/2018 11:49, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>
>> I take no pleasure entering into this conversation and painting a purely
>> negative picture, but I do think the time for saving the IGF has passed.
>> I'm not convinced that it can be reformed, though I hope I am wrong,
>> because there is definitely a need for an institutional home for
>> stakeholders to effectively collaborate upon the development of global
>> public policy for the Internet. Civil society aside - I know we engage in
>> the IGF - I think other stakeholders have moved on. It is my perception
>> that important, consequential discussions are happening elsewhere and
>> unlikely to return to the IGF.
>>
>> I have only attended two IGFs, in Guadalajara and in Geneva, but it has
>> been my perception that the IGF has never recognised its own shortcomings
>> nor taken steps to address and overcome them. This lack of self-awareness,
>> I believe, has hindered its own legitimacy.
>>
>> If the IGF can be reformed that would be wonderful. We need a venue which
>> can credibly generate and communicate policy recommendations. I'm just not
>> convinced the IGF is up to the job, be that because of a lack of funding, a
>> lack of agility, or another reason altogether.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline
>> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>>
>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> On 20 March 2018 9:39 AM, Akinremi Peter Taiwo
>> <governance at lists.riseup.net> <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for Sharing Arsene. The Internet Governance Forum actually needs
>> to be an avenue for concrete outcomes that feed into policies. I think
>> those points raised by Raul was part of MAG discussions yesterday at the
>> WSIS which I was privileged to attend. But though it goes beyond
>> discussion to implementation.
>>
>> Regards.
>> Peter
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for posting Raul's blog, Arsene. It is very good.
>>>
>>> Also posting here, in case we forgot to earlier  this year, the link to
>>> APC's submission to the  stock taking. We will be reading a short version
>>> today.
>>>
>>> http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepo
>>> t_download/5916/1057
>>> The synthesis paper on submissions prepared by the secretariat is here:
>>>
>>> http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepo
>>> t_download/5915/1068
>>>
>>> Anriette Esterhuysen
>>>
>>> APC.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/03/2018 00:12, Raoul Plommer (via governance Mailing List) wrote:
>>>
>>> I was asking him this as well and I think we'll know the result in the
>>> next week. Let's keep each other posted on this. :)
>>>
>>> -Raoul
>>>
>>> On 19 March 2018 at 15:37, Arsène Tungali <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf
>>>> -ensure-healthy-future/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the need to reform the IGF. I know this
>>>> is what so many other people believe we should do. Let’s talk about it!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can we discuss what are the changes that we would like to see happen to
>>>> make the IGF as strong and powerful as it used to be? As of now, no one
>>>> know where the IGF 2018 will take place and we are in March! All i know and
>>>> heard from Chengetai is that they have 3 countries in mind but are yet to
>>>> decide!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now that the new MAG was announced, what are our expectations of its
>>>> members? What do you think of new and past members? What can we expect from
>>>> our CS representatives there?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Arsene
>>>> -----------------
>>>> Arsène Tungali,
>>>> about.me/ArseneTungali
>>>> +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
>>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>>>
>>>> ---
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>>>> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
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>>>>
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>> [ West Africa Coordinator ]
>> African Civil Society on Information Society (*ACSIS*)
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>>
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From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Michael ILISHEBO (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 18:25:48 +0200
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
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Arsene,

Be informed that Hosts of 2019 to 2022 are confirmed and within a couple of
day, the Host for 2018 IGF will be announced.



*Michael L. Ilishebo,*

*Kitwe, Zambia*

*Social Media Handles*

*Twitter: @ilishebo*

*Skype: michael.ilishebo*




*"walk a mile,for a while,with a smile"*

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 4:44 PM, Wisdom Donkor <wisdom.dk at gmail.com> wrote:

> I cant also agree more with your statement.
>
> Regards,
>
> *WISDOM DONKOR (S/N Eng.)*
> *Africa Open Data and Internet Research Foundation*
> E-government, Internet Governance & Open Government Data and platforms
> Specialist
> ICANN Fellow / UN IGF MAG Member, ISOC Member,
> Freedom Online Coalition (FOC) Member, Diplo Foundation Member,
> OGP Open Data WG Member, GODAN Member.
> National SDG's data Roadmaps Advisory Board Member, Ghana
> Ghana Energy Data Task-force Member
> Ghana OGP Advisory Committee Member
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>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Michael ILISHEBO <
> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
>> Anriette,
>>
>> I can't agree more with your statement.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Michael L. Ilishebo,*
>>
>> *Kitwe, Zambia*
>>
>> *Social Media Handles*
>>
>> *Twitter: @ilishebo*
>>
>> *Skype: michael.ilishebo*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *"walk a mile,for a while,with a smile"*
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Ayden
>>>
>>> I attach the oral statement deliver by Julian Casasbuenas this morning
>>> on behalf of the APC. In it we say that the IGF should not be taken for
>>> granted. It is not perfect, but it is much better than anything else we had
>>> before and at this point I don't see a substitute. We need to challenge it
>>> and improve it.
>>>
>>> What are the spaces you refer to when you say important, consequential
>>> discussions are happening elsewhere? And how inclusive are these
>>> conversations? And how cross-issue (e.g. linking rights, with development,
>>> trade, education, etc.).
>>>
>>> There are other important events, e.g. RightsCon.. but it has its own
>>> important role to play and is not a substitute for the IGF.
>>>
>>> The IGF's link to the UN system and UN resolutions (at the Human Rights
>>> Council, the General Assembly and so on) remains valuable to those of us
>>> who try and work with our governments, as well as challenge them. Through
>>> this link we can make connections with  the SDGs...  you might be skeptical
>>> about all of these spaces and processes - I am often skeptical myself.. but
>>> ultimately I think that policy and agreed goals, and the accountability
>>> they can link to, make a difference.
>>>
>>> There is a kind of paradox around the IGF. Who is the  IGF? Is it the
>>> MAG, a rotating body with a limited mandate, focused on the programme? The
>>> Secretariat, a small team with a huge operational load and unclear
>>> political support? Is it UNDESA, the official "home" for the IGF but a body
>>> that is not actively involved in internet governance?
>>>
>>> When you talk about self-awareness, who is the self ? Everyone who
>>> participates, organise sessions, etc. are also part of the IGF.
>>>
>>> One of the IGF's innovations is that it does not have a top down
>>> institutional structure, but that is also a weakness when it comes to
>>> changing it.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, I still think that it is a very powerful space, and if we
>>> lose it (and I am referring to specifically to civil society, with emphasis
>>> to those of us from the global South) it would leave a gap that will not be
>>> filled very easily. And considering how many other spaces for civil society
>>> are closing, I think we should work hard to keep this one open.
>>>
>>> I agree with Raul. We still need the IGF.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Anriette
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/03/2018 11:49, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>
>>> I take no pleasure entering into this conversation and painting a purely
>>> negative picture, but I do think the time for saving the IGF has passed.
>>> I'm not convinced that it can be reformed, though I hope I am wrong,
>>> because there is definitely a need for an institutional home for
>>> stakeholders to effectively collaborate upon the development of global
>>> public policy for the Internet. Civil society aside - I know we engage in
>>> the IGF - I think other stakeholders have moved on. It is my perception
>>> that important, consequential discussions are happening elsewhere and
>>> unlikely to return to the IGF.
>>>
>>> I have only attended two IGFs, in Guadalajara and in Geneva, but it has
>>> been my perception that the IGF has never recognised its own shortcomings
>>> nor taken steps to address and overcome them. This lack of self-awareness,
>>> I believe, has hindered its own legitimacy.
>>>
>>> If the IGF can be reformed that would be wonderful. We need a venue
>>> which can credibly generate and communicate policy recommendations. I'm
>>> just not convinced the IGF is up to the job, be that because of a lack of
>>> funding, a lack of agility, or another reason altogether.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>>>
>>>
>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>> On 20 March 2018 9:39 AM, Akinremi Peter Taiwo
>>> <governance at lists.riseup.net> <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for Sharing Arsene. The Internet Governance Forum actually needs
>>> to be an avenue for concrete outcomes that feed into policies. I think
>>> those points raised by Raul was part of MAG discussions yesterday at the
>>> WSIS which I was privileged to attend. But though it goes beyond
>>> discussion to implementation.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for posting Raul's blog, Arsene. It is very good.
>>>>
>>>> Also posting here, in case we forgot to earlier  this year, the link to
>>>> APC's submission to the  stock taking. We will be reading a short version
>>>> today.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepo
>>>> t_download/5916/1057
>>>> The synthesis paper on submissions prepared by the secretariat is here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepo
>>>> t_download/5915/1068
>>>>
>>>> Anriette Esterhuysen
>>>>
>>>> APC.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20/03/2018 00:12, Raoul Plommer (via governance Mailing List) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was asking him this as well and I think we'll know the result in the
>>>> next week. Let's keep each other posted on this. :)
>>>>
>>>> -Raoul
>>>>
>>>> On 19 March 2018 at 15:37, Arsène Tungali <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf
>>>>> -ensure-healthy-future/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the need to reform the IGF. I know this
>>>>> is what so many other people believe we should do. Let’s talk about it!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can we discuss what are the changes that we would like to see happen
>>>>> to make the IGF as strong and powerful as it used to be? As of now, no one
>>>>> know where the IGF 2018 will take place and we are in March! All i know and
>>>>> heard from Chengetai is that they have 3 countries in mind but are yet to
>>>>> decide!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that the new MAG was announced, what are our expectations of its
>>>>> members? What do you think of new and past members? What can we expect from
>>>>> our CS representatives there?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Arsene
>>>>> -----------------
>>>>> Arsène Tungali,
>>>>> about.me/ArseneTungali
>>>>> +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
>>>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>>>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
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>>>>> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> [ West Africa Coordinator ]
>>> African Civil Society on Information Society (*ACSIS*)
>>> *Website: *www.acsis-scasi.org
>>>
>>> *Chief E*xecutive Consultant.
>>> [ Compsoftnet Enterprise ]
>>> www.compsoftnet.com.ng
>>> Nigeria
>>>
>>> *T*echnical Consultant
>>> [ RetailPoint ]
>>> Lagos
>>> Website: www.retailpos.com.ng
>>>
>>> *Phone:* +2347-0638-30177, +2348-1874-76292
>>> *twitter:* @compsoftnet
>>> *Skype:* akinremi.peter
>>>
>>>
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From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Remmy Nweke (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 19:07:09 +0100
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
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Thanks Anriette,
I think your explanation and position actually put more light into how we
can relate to IGF moving forward. And Ayden concerns will be gingered for a
better IGF.

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On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 2:40 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
wrote:

> Dear Ayden
>
> I attach the oral statement deliver by Julian Casasbuenas this morning on
> behalf of the APC. In it we say that the IGF should not be taken for
> granted. It is not perfect, but it is much better than anything else we had
> before and at this point I don't see a substitute. We need to challenge it
> and improve it.
>
> What are the spaces you refer to when you say important, consequential
> discussions are happening elsewhere? And how inclusive are these
> conversations? And how cross-issue (e.g. linking rights, with development,
> trade, education, etc.).
>
> There are other important events, e.g. RightsCon.. but it has its own
> important role to play and is not a substitute for the IGF.
>
> The IGF's link to the UN system and UN resolutions (at the Human Rights
> Council, the General Assembly and so on) remains valuable to those of us
> who try and work with our governments, as well as challenge them. Through
> this link we can make connections with  the SDGs...  you might be skeptical
> about all of these spaces and processes - I am often skeptical myself.. but
> ultimately I think that policy and agreed goals, and the accountability
> they can link to, make a difference.
>
> There is a kind of paradox around the IGF. Who is the  IGF? Is it the MAG,
> a rotating body with a limited mandate, focused on the programme? The
> Secretariat, a small team with a huge operational load and unclear
> political support? Is it UNDESA, the official "home" for the IGF but a body
> that is not actively involved in internet governance?
>
> When you talk about self-awareness, who is the self ? Everyone who
> participates, organise sessions, etc. are also part of the IGF.
>
> One of the IGF's innovations is that it does not have a top down
> institutional structure, but that is also a weakness when it comes to
> changing it.
>
> Nevertheless, I still think that it is a very powerful space, and if we
> lose it (and I am referring to specifically to civil society, with emphasis
> to those of us from the global South) it would leave a gap that will not be
> filled very easily. And considering how many other spaces for civil society
> are closing, I think we should work hard to keep this one open.
>
> I agree with Raul. We still need the IGF.
>
> Best
>
> Anriette
>
>
>
> On 20/03/2018 11:49, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>
> I take no pleasure entering into this conversation and painting a purely
> negative picture, but I do think the time for saving the IGF has passed.
> I'm not convinced that it can be reformed, though I hope I am wrong,
> because there is definitely a need for an institutional home for
> stakeholders to effectively collaborate upon the development of global
> public policy for the Internet. Civil society aside - I know we engage in
> the IGF - I think other stakeholders have moved on. It is my perception
> that important, consequential discussions are happening elsewhere and
> unlikely to return to the IGF.
>
> I have only attended two IGFs, in Guadalajara and in Geneva, but it has
> been my perception that the IGF has never recognised its own shortcomings
> nor taken steps to address and overcome them. This lack of self-awareness,
> I believe, has hindered its own legitimacy.
>
> If the IGF can be reformed that would be wonderful. We need a venue which
> can credibly generate and communicate policy recommendations. I'm just not
> convinced the IGF is up to the job, be that because of a lack of funding, a
> lack of agility, or another reason altogether.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ayden Férdeline
> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On 20 March 2018 9:39 AM, Akinremi Peter Taiwo
> <governance at lists.riseup.net> <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks for Sharing Arsene. The Internet Governance Forum actually needs to
> be an avenue for concrete outcomes that feed into policies. I think those
> points raised by Raul was part of MAG discussions yesterday at the WSIS
> which I was privileged to attend. But though it goes beyond discussion to
> implementation.
>
> Regards.
> Peter
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for posting Raul's blog, Arsene. It is very good.
>>
>> Also posting here, in case we forgot to earlier  this year, the link to
>> APC's submission to the  stock taking. We will be reading a short version
>> today.
>>
>> http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepo
>> t_download/5916/1057
>> The synthesis paper on submissions prepared by the secretariat is here:
>>
>> http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepo
>> t_download/5915/1068
>>
>> Anriette Esterhuysen
>>
>> APC.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20/03/2018 00:12, Raoul Plommer (via governance Mailing List) wrote:
>>
>> I was asking him this as well and I think we'll know the result in the
>> next week. Let's keep each other posted on this. :)
>>
>> -Raoul
>>
>> On 19 March 2018 at 15:37, Arsène Tungali <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf
>>> -ensure-healthy-future/
>>>
>>>
>>> A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the need to reform the IGF. I know this is
>>> what so many other people believe we should do. Let’s talk about it!
>>>
>>>
>>> Can we discuss what are the changes that we would like to see happen to
>>> make the IGF as strong and powerful as it used to be? As of now, no one
>>> know where the IGF 2018 will take place and we are in March! All i know and
>>> heard from Chengetai is that they have 3 countries in mind but are yet to
>>> decide!
>>>
>>>
>>> Now that the new MAG was announced, what are our expectations of its
>>> members? What do you think of new and past members? What can we expect from
>>> our CS representatives there?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Arsene
>>> -----------------
>>> Arsène Tungali,
>>> about.me/ArseneTungali
>>> +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>>
>>> ---
>>> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
>>> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>
> --
> *Akinremi Peter Taiwo*
> [ West Africa Coordinator ]
> African Civil Society on Information Society (*ACSIS*)
> *Website: *www.acsis-scasi.org
>
> *Chief E*xecutive Consultant.
> [ Compsoftnet Enterprise ]
> www.compsoftnet.com.ng
> Nigeria
>
> *T*echnical Consultant
> [ RetailPoint ]
> Lagos
> Website: www.retailpos.com.ng
>
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Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 21:43:42 +0300
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
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On 20 March 2018 at 16:40, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> wrote:

> Dear Ayden
>
> I attach the oral statement deliver by Julian Casasbuenas this morning on
> behalf of the APC. In it we say that the IGF should not be taken for
> granted. It is not perfect, but it is much better than anything else we had
> before and at this point I don't see a substitute. We need to challenge it
> and improve it.
>
> What are the spaces you refer to when you say important, consequential
> discussions are happening elsewhere? And how inclusive are these
> conversations? And how cross-issue (e.g. linking rights, with development,
> trade, education, etc.).
>
> There are other important events, e.g. RightsCon.. but it has its own
> important role to play and is not a substitute for the IGF.
>
> The IGF's link to the UN system and UN resolutions (at the Human Rights
> Council, the General Assembly and so on) remains valuable to those of us
> who try and work with our governments, as well as challenge them. Through
> this link we can make connections with  the SDGs...  you might be skeptical
> about all of these spaces and processes - I am often skeptical myself.. but
> ultimately I think that policy and agreed goals, and the accountability
> they can link to, make a difference.
>
> There is a kind of paradox around the IGF. Who is the  IGF? Is it the MAG,
> a rotating body with a limited mandate, focused on the programme? The
> Secretariat, a small team with a huge operational load and unclear
> political support? Is it UNDESA, the official "home" for the IGF but a body
> that is not actively involved in internet governance?
>
> When you talk about self-awareness, who is the self ? Everyone who
> participates, organise sessions, etc. are also part of the IGF.
>
> One of the IGF's innovations is that it does not have a top down
> institutional structure, but that is also a weakness when it comes to
> changing it.
>
> Nevertheless, I still think that it is a very powerful space, and if we
> lose it (and I am referring to specifically to civil society, with emphasis
> to those of us from the global South) it would leave a gap that will not be
> filled very easily. And considering how many other spaces for civil society
> are closing, I think we should work hard to keep this one open.
>
> I agree with Raul. We still need the IGF.
>
> Best
>
> Anriette
>
>
>
> On 20/03/2018 11:49, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>
> I take no pleasure entering into this conversation and painting a purely
> negative picture, but I do think the time for saving the IGF has passed.
> I'm not convinced that it can be reformed, though I hope I am wrong,
> because there is definitely a need for an institutional home for
> stakeholders to effectively collaborate upon the development of global
> public policy for the Internet. Civil society aside - I know we engage in
> the IGF - I think other stakeholders have moved on. It is my perception
> that important, consequential discussions are happening elsewhere and
> unlikely to return to the IGF.
>
> I have only attended two IGFs, in Guadalajara and in Geneva, but it has
> been my perception that the IGF has never recognised its own shortcomings
> nor taken steps to address and overcome them. This lack of self-awareness,
> I believe, has hindered its own legitimacy.
>
> If the IGF can be reformed that would be wonderful. We need a venue which
> can credibly generate and communicate policy recommendations. I'm just not
> convinced the IGF is up to the job, be that because of a lack of funding, a
> lack of agility, or another reason altogether.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ayden Férdeline
> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On 20 March 2018 9:39 AM, Akinremi Peter Taiwo
> <governance at lists.riseup.net> <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks for Sharing Arsene. The Internet Governance Forum actually needs to
> be an avenue for concrete outcomes that feed into policies. I think those
> points raised by Raul was part of MAG discussions yesterday at the WSIS
> which I was privileged to attend. But though it goes beyond discussion to
> implementation.
>
> Regards.
> Peter
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for posting Raul's blog, Arsene. It is very good.
>>
>> Also posting here, in case we forgot to earlier  this year, the link to
>> APC's submission to the  stock taking. We will be reading a short version
>> today.
>>
>> http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepo
>> t_download/5916/1057
>> The synthesis paper on submissions prepared by the secretariat is here:
>>
>> http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepo
>> t_download/5915/1068
>>
>> Anriette Esterhuysen
>>
>> APC.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20/03/2018 00:12, Raoul Plommer (via governance Mailing List) wrote:
>>
>> I was asking him this as well and I think we'll know the result in the
>> next week. Let's keep each other posted on this. :)
>>
>> -Raoul
>>
>> On 19 March 2018 at 15:37, Arsène Tungali <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf
>>> -ensure-healthy-future/
>>>
>>>
>>> A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the need to reform the IGF. I know this is
>>> what so many other people believe we should do. Let’s talk about it!
>>>
>>>
>>> Can we discuss what are the changes that we would like to see happen to
>>> make the IGF as strong and powerful as it used to be? As of now, no one
>>> know where the IGF 2018 will take place and we are in March! All i know and
>>> heard from Chengetai is that they have 3 countries in mind but are yet to
>>> decide!
>>>
>>>
>>> Now that the new MAG was announced, what are our expectations of its
>>> members? What do you think of new and past members? What can we expect from
>>> our CS representatives there?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Arsene
>>> -----------------
>>> Arsène Tungali,
>>> about.me/ArseneTungali
>>> +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>>
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> African Civil Society on Information Society (*ACSIS*)
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From ayden at ferdeline.com  Tue Mar 20 17:04:37 2018
From: ayden at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 17:04:37 -0400
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
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Thank you for the thoughtful comment, Anriette.

The other spaces which I was referring to may be multiple stakeholder but not necessarily multistakeholder. They are places where civil society has no or little voice.

Personally, I am very skeptical as to whether multistakeholder governance frameworks work (or have ever worked), but I do see the value in an open, multistakeholder forum as sketched out in the Tunis Agenda.

If the IGF can be saved and improved in the process, that would be great and certainly something valuable. I just wouldn't bet money on it happening. Hopefully I live to regret that!

Best wishes, Ayden

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On 20 March 2018 1:40 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> wrote:

> Dear Ayden
>
> I attach the oral statement deliver by Julian Casasbuenas this morning on behalf of the APC. In it we say that the IGF should not be taken for granted. It is not perfect, but it is much better than anything else we had before and at this point I don't see a substitute. We need to challenge it and improve it.
>
> What are the spaces you refer to when you say important, consequential discussions are happening elsewhere? And how inclusive are these conversations? And how cross-issue (e.g. linking rights, with development, trade, education, etc.).
>
> There are other important events, e.g. RightsCon.. but it has its own important role to play and is not a substitute for the IGF.
>
> The IGF's link to the UN system and UN resolutions (at the Human Rights Council, the General Assembly and so on) remains valuable to those of us who try and work with our governments, as well as challenge them. Through this link we can make connections with  the SDGs...  you might be skeptical about all of these spaces and processes - I am often skeptical myself.. but ultimately I think that policy and agreed goals, and the accountability they can link to, make a difference.
>
> There is a kind of paradox around the IGF. Who is the  IGF? Is it the MAG, a rotating body with a limited mandate, focused on the programme? The Secretariat, a small team with a huge operational load and unclear political support? Is it UNDESA, the official "home" for the IGF but a body that is not actively involved in internet governance?
>
> When you talk about self-awareness, who is the self ? Everyone who participates, organise sessions, etc. are also part of the IGF.
>
> One of the IGF's innovations is that it does not have a top down institutional structure, but that is also a weakness when it comes to changing it.
>
> Nevertheless, I still think that it is a very powerful space, and if we lose it (and I am referring to specifically to civil society, with emphasis to those of us from the global South) it would leave a gap that will not be filled very easily. And considering how many other spaces for civil society are closing, I think we should work hard to keep this one open.
>
> I agree with Raul. We still need the IGF.
>
> Best
>
> Anriette
>
> On 20/03/2018 11:49, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>
>> I take no pleasure entering into this conversation and painting a purely negative picture, but I do think the time for saving the IGF has passed. I'm not convinced that it can be reformed, though I hope I am wrong, because there is definitely a need for an institutional home for stakeholders to effectively collaborate upon the development of global public policy for the Internet. Civil society aside - I know we engage in the IGF - I think other stakeholders have moved on. It is my perception that important, consequential discussions are happening elsewhere and unlikely to return to the IGF.
>>
>> I have only attended two IGFs, in Guadalajara and in Geneva, but it has been my perception that the IGF has never recognised its own shortcomings nor taken steps to address and overcome them. This lack of self-awareness, I believe, has hindered its own legitimacy.
>>
>> If the IGF can be reformed that would be wonderful. We need a venue which can credibly generate and communicate policy recommendations. I'm just not convinced the IGF is up to the job, be that because of a lack of funding, a lack of agility, or another reason altogether.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline
>> [linkedin.com/in/ferdeline](http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline)
>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> On 20 March 2018 9:39 AM, Akinremi Peter Taiwo [<governance at lists.riseup.net>](mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net) wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for Sharing Arsene. The Internet Governance Forum actually needs to be an avenue for concrete outcomes that feed into policies. I think those points raised by Raul was part of MAG discussions yesterday at the WSIS which I was privileged to attend. But though it goes beyond discussion to implementation.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for posting Raul's blog, Arsene. It is very good.
>>>>
>>>> Also posting here, in case we forgot to earlier  this year, the link to APC's submission to the  stock taking. We will be reading a short version today.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/5916/1057
>>>>
>>>> The synthesis paper on submissions prepared by the secretariat is here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/5915/1068
>>>>
>>>> Anriette Esterhuysen
>>>>
>>>> APC.org
>>>>
>>>> On 20/03/2018 00:12, Raoul Plommer (via governance Mailing List) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was asking him this as well and I think we'll know the result in the next week. Let's keep each other posted on this. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> -Raoul
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19 March 2018 at 15:37, Arsène Tungali <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf-ensure-healthy-future/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the need to reform the IGF. I know this is what so many other people believe we should do. Let’s talk about it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can we discuss what are the changes that we would like to see happen to make the IGF as strong and powerful as it used to be? As of now, no one know where the IGF 2018 will take place and we are in March! All i know and heard from Chengetai is that they have 3 countries in mind but are yet to decide!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that the new MAG was announced, what are our expectations of its members? What do you think of new and past members? What can we expect from our CS representatives there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arsene
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>> Arsène Tungali,
>>>>>> about.me/ArseneTungali
>>>>>> [+243 993810967](tel:+243%20993%20810%20967)
>>>>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>>>>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
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>>>>>> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>
>>> --
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>>> [ West Africa Coordinator ]
>>> African Civil Society on Information Society (ACSIS)
>>> Website: www.acsis-scasi.org
>>>
>>> Chief Executive Consultant.
>>> [ Compsoftnet Enterprise ]
>>> www.compsoftnet.com.ng
>>> Nigeria
>>>
>>> Technical Consultant
>>> [ RetailPoint ]
>>> Lagos
>>> Website: www.retailpos.com.ng
>>>
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Tue Mar 20 17:23:44 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Raoul Plommer (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 21:23:44 +0000
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
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I think the greatest strengths of the IGF are the dissemination and
discussing of cutting edge information on Internet governance and the
networking possibilities it offers. At least for the civil society, these
are reasons good enough alone to keep it going.  Joao Pessoa was my first
one and it blew my mind. That’s just my two cents.

 -Raoul

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 17:05 Ayden Férdeline <ayden at ferdeline.com> wrote:

> Thank you for the thoughtful comment, Anriette.
>
> The other spaces which I was referring to may be multiple stakeholder but
> not necessarily multistakeholder. They are places where civil society has
> no or little voice.
>
> Personally, I am very skeptical as to whether multistakeholder governance
> frameworks work (or have ever worked), but I do see the value in an open,
> multistakeholder forum as sketched out in the Tunis Agenda.
>
> If the IGF can be saved and improved in the process, that would be great
> and certainly something valuable. I just wouldn't bet money on it
> happening. Hopefully I live to regret that!
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On 20 March 2018 1:40 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> wrote:
>
> Dear Ayden
>
> I attach the oral statement deliver by Julian Casasbuenas this morning on
> behalf of the APC. In it we say that the IGF should not be taken for
> granted. It is not perfect, but it is much better than anything else we had
> before and at this point I don't see a substitute. We need to challenge it
> and improve it.
>
> What are the spaces you refer to when you say important, consequential
> discussions are happening elsewhere? And how inclusive are these
> conversations? And how cross-issue (e.g. linking rights, with development,
> trade, education, etc.).
>
> There are other important events, e.g. RightsCon.. but it has its own
> important role to play and is not a substitute for the IGF.
>
> The IGF's link to the UN system and UN resolutions (at the Human Rights
> Council, the General Assembly and so on) remains valuable to those of us
> who try and work with our governments, as well as challenge them. Through
> this link we can make connections with  the SDGs...  you might be skeptical
> about all of these spaces and processes - I am often skeptical myself.. but
> ultimately I think that policy and agreed goals, and the accountability
> they can link to, make a difference.
>
> There is a kind of paradox around the IGF. Who is the  IGF? Is it the MAG,
> a rotating body with a limited mandate, focused on the programme? The
> Secretariat, a small team with a huge operational load and unclear
> political support? Is it UNDESA, the official "home" for the IGF but a body
> that is not actively involved in internet governance?
>
> When you talk about self-awareness, who is the self ? Everyone who
> participates, organise sessions, etc. are also part of the IGF.
>
> One of the IGF's innovations is that it does not have a top down
> institutional structure, but that is also a weakness when it comes to
> changing it.
>
> Nevertheless, I still think that it is a very powerful space, and if we
> lose it (and I am referring to specifically to civil society, with emphasis
> to those of us from the global South) it would leave a gap that will not be
> filled very easily. And considering how many other spaces for civil society
> are closing, I think we should work hard to keep this one open.
>
> I agree with Raul. We still need the IGF.
>
> Best
>
> Anriette
>
>
>
> On 20/03/2018 11:49, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>
> I take no pleasure entering into this conversation and painting a purely
> negative picture, but I do think the time for saving the IGF has passed.
> I'm not convinced that it can be reformed, though I hope I am wrong,
> because there is definitely a need for an institutional home for
> stakeholders to effectively collaborate upon the development of global
> public policy for the Internet. Civil society aside - I know we engage in
> the IGF - I think other stakeholders have moved on. It is my perception
> that important, consequential discussions are happening elsewhere and
> unlikely to return to the IGF.
>
> I have only attended two IGFs, in Guadalajara and in Geneva, but it has
> been my perception that the IGF has never recognised its own shortcomings
> nor taken steps to address and overcome them. This lack of self-awareness,
> I believe, has hindered its own legitimacy.
>
> If the IGF can be reformed that would be wonderful. We need a venue which
> can credibly generate and communicate policy recommendations. I'm just not
> convinced the IGF is up to the job, be that because of a lack of funding, a
> lack of agility, or another reason altogether.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ayden Férdeline
> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On 20 March 2018 9:39 AM, Akinremi Peter Taiwo
> <governance at lists.riseup.net> <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks for Sharing Arsene. The Internet Governance Forum actually needs to
> be an avenue for concrete outcomes that feed into policies. I think those
> points raised by Raul was part of MAG discussions yesterday at the WSIS
> which I was privileged to attend. But though it goes beyond discussion to
> implementation.
>
> Regards.
> Peter
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for posting Raul's blog, Arsene. It is very good.
>>
>> Also posting here, in case we forgot to earlier  this year, the link to
>> APC's submission to the  stock taking. We will be reading a short version
>> today.
>>
>>
>> http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/5916/1057
>> The synthesis paper on submissions prepared by the secretariat is here:
>>
>>
>> http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/5915/1068
>>
>> Anriette Esterhuysen
>>
>> APC.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20/03/2018 00:12, Raoul Plommer (via governance Mailing List) wrote:
>>
>> I was asking him this as well and I think we'll know the result in the
>> next week. Let's keep each other posted on this. :)
>>
>> -Raoul
>>
>> On 19 March 2018 at 15:37, Arsène Tungali <governance at lists.riseup.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf-ensure-healthy-future/
>>>
>>>
>>> A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the need to reform the IGF. I know this is
>>> what so many other people believe we should do. Let’s talk about it!
>>>
>>>
>>> Can we discuss what are the changes that we would like to see happen to
>>> make the IGF as strong and powerful as it used to be? As of now, no one
>>> know where the IGF 2018 will take place and we are in March! All i know and
>>> heard from Chengetai is that they have 3 countries in mind but are yet to
>>> decide!
>>>
>>>
>>> Now that the new MAG was announced, what are our expectations of its
>>> members? What do you think of new and past members? What can we expect from
>>> our CS representatives there?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Arsene
>>> -----------------
>>> Arsène Tungali,
>>> about.me/ArseneTungali
>>> +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
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From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 13:10:19 -0500
Subject: [governance] WEBCAST FRI: Congress briefing: What the GDPR
 Regulations Mean For Your Constituents
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 As GDPR panels go, and it is one of many, this is a winner. Very clear
analysis.

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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Wed Mar 21 00:23:18 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne?= Tungali (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 06:23:18 +0200
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
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>From a current MAG member, i am happy to hear this! Please keep us posted!

Did you all discuss the possibility of having the IGF2018 be 100% online?

I heard of this and I was like: something is going wrong somewhere!

-----------------
Arsène Tungali,
about.me/ArseneTungali
+243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo

Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)

> On Mar 20, 2018, at 11:23 PM, Raoul Plommer (via governance Mailing List) <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
> 
> I think the greatest strengths of the IGF are the dissemination and discussing of cutting edge information on Internet governance and the networking possibilities it offers. At least for the civil society, these are reasons good enough alone to keep it going.  Joao Pessoa was my first one and it blew my mind. That’s just my two cents.
> 
>  -Raoul 
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 17:05 Ayden Férdeline <ayden at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>> Thank you for the thoughtful comment, Anriette.
>> 
>> The other spaces which I was referring to may be multiple stakeholder but not necessarily multistakeholder. They are places where civil society has no or little voice.
>> 
>> Personally, I am very skeptical as to whether multistakeholder governance frameworks work (or have ever worked), but I do see the value in an open, multistakeholder forum as sketched out in the Tunis Agenda.
>> 
>> If the IGF can be saved and improved in the process, that would be great and certainly something valuable. I just wouldn't bet money on it happening. Hopefully I live to regret that!
>> 
>> Best wishes, Ayden
>> 
>> 
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>> On 20 March 2018 1:40 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear Ayden
>>> 
>>> I attach the oral statement deliver by Julian Casasbuenas this morning on behalf of the APC. In it we say that the IGF should not be taken for granted. It is not perfect, but it is much better than anything else we had before and at this point I don't see a substitute. We need to challenge it and improve it. 
>>> 
>>> What are the spaces you refer to when you say important, consequential discussions are happening elsewhere? And how inclusive are these conversations? And how cross-issue (e.g. linking rights, with development, trade, education, etc.). 
>>> 
>>> There are other important events, e.g. RightsCon.. but it has its own important role to play and is not a substitute for the IGF. 
>>> 
>>> The IGF's link to the UN system and UN resolutions (at the Human Rights Council, the General Assembly and so on) remains valuable to those of us who try and work with our governments, as well as challenge them. Through this link we can make connections with        the SDGs...  you might be skeptical about all of these spaces and processes - I am often skeptical myself.. but ultimately I think that policy and agreed goals, and the accountability they can link to, make a difference.
>>> 
>>> There is a kind of paradox around the IGF. Who is the  IGF? Is it the MAG, a rotating body with a limited mandate, focused on the programme? The Secretariat, a small team with a huge operational load and unclear political support? Is it UNDESA, the official "home" for the IGF but a body that is not actively involved in internet governance? 
>>> 
>>> When you talk about self-awareness, who is the self ? Everyone who participates, organise sessions, etc. are also part of the IGF.
>>> 
>>> One of the IGF's innovations is that it does not have a top down institutional structure, but that is also a weakness when it comes to changing it.
>>> 
>>> Nevertheless, I still think that it is a very powerful space, and if we lose it (and I am referring to specifically to civil society, with emphasis to those of us from the global South) it would leave a gap that will not be filled very easily. And considering how many other spaces for civil society are closing, I think we should work hard to keep this one open.
>>> 
>>> I agree with Raul. We still need the IGF.
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> 
>>> Anriette
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 20/03/2018 11:49, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>> I take no pleasure entering into this conversation and painting a purely negative picture, but I do think the time for saving the IGF has passed. I'm not convinced that it can be reformed, though I hope I am wrong, because there is definitely a need for an institutional home for stakeholders to effectively collaborate upon the development of global public policy for the Internet. Civil society aside - I know we engage in the IGF - I think other stakeholders have moved on. It is my perception that important, consequential discussions are happening elsewhere and unlikely to return to the IGF. 
>>>> 
>>>> I have only attended two IGFs, in Guadalajara and in Geneva, but it has been my perception that the IGF has never recognised its own shortcomings nor taken steps to address and overcome them. This lack of self-awareness, I believe, has hindered its own legitimacy.
>>>> 
>>>> If the IGF can be reformed that would be wonderful. We need a venue which can credibly generate and communicate policy recommendations. I'm just not convinced the IGF is up to the job, be that because of a lack of funding, a lack of agility, or another reason altogether. 
>>>> 
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>> 
>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>> On 20 March 2018 9:39 AM, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for Sharing Arsene. The Internet Governance Forum actually needs to be an avenue for concrete outcomes that feed into policies. I think those points raised by Raul was part of MAG discussions yesterday at the WSIS which I was privileged to attend. But though it goes beyond discussion to implementation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards.
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks for posting Raul's blog, Arsene. It is very good.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also posting here, in case we forgot to earlier  this year, the link to APC's submission to the  stock taking. We will be reading a short version today.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/5916/1057
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The synthesis paper on submissions prepared by the secretariat is here:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/index.php?q=filedepot_download/5915/1068 
>>>>>> Anriette Esterhuysen
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> APC.org
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 20/03/2018 00:12, Raoul Plommer (via governance Mailing List) wrote:
>>>>>>> I was asking him this as well and I think we'll know the result in the next week. Let's keep each other posted on this. :) 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Raoul
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 19 March 2018 at 15:37, Arsène Tungali <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf-ensure-healthy-future/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the need to reform the IGF. I know this is what so many other people believe we should do. Let’s talk about it!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Can we discuss what are the changes that we would like to see happen to make the IGF as strong and powerful as it used to be? As of now, no one know where the IGF 2018 will take place and we are in March! All i                                   know and heard from Chengetai is that they have 3 countries in mind but are yet to decide!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Now that the new MAG was announced, what are our expectations of its members? What do you think of new and past members? What can we expect from our CS representatives there?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Arsene
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>> Arsène Tungali,
>>>>>>>> about.me/ArseneTungali
>>>>>>>> +243 993810967
>>>>>>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>>>>>>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Wed Mar 21 00:26:06 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Alex Comninos (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 04:26:06 +0000
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
Message-ID: <CAPfkVHkrGeBFCTPYjAotBfsYOBVnhWsRKQ7rhEGiraz6aa8_FA@mail.gmail.com>

Remote participation needs to become a real and appealing thing for the IGF
to become relevant.

I have not taken part in IGFs since Bali due to geographical and financial
constraints.

RP is always far in the background with almost no participants. It's also
really hard to actually get that terrible Cisco software working on
anything but a windows PC.

I did do some serious RP for the Mexico IGF. It could be a very powerful
tool. One can easily monitor many sessions. Also one tends to be less
distracted by schmoozing and travel fatigue.

The IGF has failed to communicate to the average netizen that it exists,
what it is, and that we are all stakeholders.

On Mon, 19 Mar 2018, 20:40 Arsène Tungali, <governance at lists.riseup.net>
wrote:

>
> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf-ensure-healthy-future/
>
>
> A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the need to reform the IGF. I know this is
> what so many other people believe we should do. Let’s talk about it!
>
>
> Can we discuss what are the changes that we would like to see happen to
> make the IGF as strong and powerful as it used to be? As of now, no one
> know where the IGF 2018 will take place and we are in March! All i know and
> heard from Chengetai is that they have 3 countries in mind but are yet to
> decide!
>
>
> Now that the new MAG was announced, what are our expectations of its
> members? What do you think of new and past members? What can we expect from
> our CS representatives there?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Arsene
> -----------------
> Arsène Tungali,
> about.me/ArseneTungali
> +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
> GPG: 523644A0
> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>
> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
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From nb at bollow.ch  Wed Mar 21 07:37:30 2018
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 12:37:30 +0100
Subject: [governance] Diversity-suppressing false beliefs
Message-ID: <20180321123730.38ab0894@quill>

On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 11:09:50 +0200
Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> wrote:

> My personal view is that achieving diversity is not difficult. There
> are frequent assumptions in the internet world that there are not
> many women with IG knowledge and skills and leadership capacity and
> experience. There are similar assumptions about the pool of qualified
> candidates in the  global South  being extremely small. There is also
> an assumption that  diversity  is  just about gender, race,
> geographic location (what about diversity of political experience,
> views, business, knowledge etc.?).
> 
> I personally do not agree with any of these assumptions! Do you?  

I'm strongly in agreement with Anriette here.

On top of that, I wonder whether there's yet any in-depth research on
the underlying mechaniosms how these nowadays certianly false beliefs
and assumptions are still maintained and perpetuated.

I think that it would be important to shine a bright light on what
interests are served by these beliefs and assumptions.

Greetings,
Norbert

From dvbirve at yandex.ru  Wed Mar 21 09:55:06 2018
From: dvbirve at yandex.ru (Shcherbovich Andrey)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 16:55:06 +0300
Subject: [governance] INTERNET BEYOND Conference, Moscow, May 29-31
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Wed Mar 21 13:51:00 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Akinremi Peter Taiwo (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 17:51:00 +0000
Subject: [governance] Diversity-suppressing false beliefs
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Hi Norbert,

   That's exactly what the internet world has brought upon us. But that
does not mean that some assumptions aren't correct. There is need for more
research to ascertain some assumptions as you rightly said.

Regards.
Peter

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 12:38 PM Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 11:09:50 +0200
> Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> wrote:
>
> > My personal view is that achieving diversity is not difficult. There
> > are frequent assumptions in the internet world that there are not
> > many women with IG knowledge and skills and leadership capacity and
> > experience. There are similar assumptions about the pool of qualified
> > candidates in the  global South  being extremely small. There is also
> > an assumption that  diversity  is  just about gender, race,
> > geographic location (what about diversity of political experience,
> > views, business, knowledge etc.?).
> >
> > I personally do not agree with any of these assumptions! Do you?
>
> I'm strongly in agreement with Anriette here.
>
> On top of that, I wonder whether there's yet any in-depth research on
> the underlying mechaniosms how these nowadays certianly false beliefs
> and assumptions are still maintained and perpetuated.
>
> I think that it would be important to shine a bright light on what
> interests are served by these beliefs and assumptions.
>
> Greetings,
> Norbert
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From udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng  Wed Mar 21 23:27:02 2018
From: udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng (Chris Prince Udochukwu Njoku)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 04:27:02 +0100
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
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I like the submissions here so far. Although some of us have opposing views
regarding reforming the forum, I noticed that no person had objected to
Raul's assertion that the world was much better with the IGF than without
it!  This means that none is saying "To hell with IGF."

Also to me, the IGF is a good thing for many reasons, including Raul's,
Anriette's and Raoul's. I understand Ayden wants IGF reformed but he
doesn't believe reformation is possible. Before anyone can say whether
Ayden is right or wrong, and to help us answer Arsene's questions, let's
look at certain features of the IGF we have now.

1. There are too many movements and too much good sounding talk that
translates to only a few actions. It's a discussion forum; yes, but what
are or should be the aims of the discussions? It seems to me that many
participants are focused on either having a large retinue of travels or
enjoying travel funding.  Some others are satisfied with just organizing
sessions to display oratorial skills or to show they can organize sessions
in a high-level meeting.  What should be the outcomes of such sessions is
not a consideration. This links naturally to No. 2.

2. There are too many sessions. Raul mentioned this. This obscures the
priority attention and general participation some sessions deserve. It's
worse when an essential subject/topic have duplicate to quintiplicate or
more sessions. For example, over 5 Internet shutdowns sessions and about 6
sessions on fake news were held in IGF 2017. In most cases, what actually
separates one session's topic from another is the wording. As Raul
suggested, sessions should be limited to a number that allows somewhat
exhaustive discussions of subjects. In this way, participants can return
home with convictions for concrete actions.

3. Remote participants aren't given the same recognition as on-site
participants, added to the situation identified by Alex that only a few
persons participate remotely. The low statistics of remote participation
might be a result of the non-recognition. I had remote-participated in
sessions where my chat questions and/or submissions weren't replied to.
Yet, such international discussion meetings as IGF about Internet are an
excellent opportunity to authoritatively showcase and guarantee the virtual
property of the Internet which is central to its working and to any myriad
of benefits it can give.

4. So many important stakeholders are left out: a) populations that speak
only mother tongues; b) rural folks; c) low income people; d) the
physically challenged (which are often a mix of the other groups); e)
students; f) the uneducated / illiterate population; etc.  Most IGF
participants who claim or think they represent any of these people are not
true representatives. Mechanisms should be in place to make the forum more
inclusive.

5. Government delegates / participants in many cases are people who have no
authority to make recommendations or take decisions and don't even give
reports when they return to their countries after meeting.

6. Stakeholders who should be central in certain sessions are often absent
in the sessions. Is it proper that no African governments rep was present
in a session on Internet shutdowns taking a toll on Africa's economy?
That's just one example of sessions not having the appropriate participants
for productive discussions. Do we leave things that way?

7. IGF, regional IGFs and national IGFs appear to be operating in
isolation, independent of one another in practice. Themes of meetings are
often unrelated, neglecting the truth that one forum ought to be feeder
node to the next. This needs a remedy.

I strongly think CS reps in MAG have a duty to present these and other
shortcomings to MAG's discussions table. Depending on the strength of their
business cases and way any recommendations in those lines will be made,
since MAG doesn't take decisions for IGF, changes in favour are likely to
take place.

Contrary or more views needed.

CPU

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018, Alex Comninos <governance at lists.riseup.net>
wrote:
> Remote participation needs to become a real and appealing thing for the
IGF to become relevant.
> I have not taken part in IGFs since Bali due to geographical and
financial constraints.
> RP is always far in the background with almost no participants. It's also
really hard to actually get that terrible Cisco software working on
anything but a windows PC.
> I did do some serious RP for the Mexico IGF. It could be a very powerful
tool. One can easily monitor many sessions. Also one tends to be less
distracted by schmoozing and travel fatigue.
> The IGF has failed to communicate to the average netizen that it exists,
what it is, and that we are all stakeholders.
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2018, 20:40 Arsène Tungali, <governance at lists.riseup.net>
wrote:
>>
>>
https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf-ensure-healthy-future/
>>
>> A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the need to reform the IGF. I know this is
what so many other people believe we should do. Let’s talk about it!
>>
>> Can we discuss what are the changes that we would like to see happen to
make the IGF as strong and powerful as it used to be? As of now, no one
know where the IGF 2018 will take place and we are in March! All i know and
heard from Chengetai is that they have 3 countries in mind but are yet to
decide!
>>
>> Now that the new MAG was announced, what are our expectations of its
members? What do you think of new and past members? What can we expect from
our CS representatives there?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Arsene
>>
>> -----------------
>> Arsène Tungali,
>> about.me/ArseneTungali
>> +243 993810967
>> GPG: 523644A0
>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
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From Charity.G.Embley at ttu.edu  Thu Mar 22 00:13:55 2018
From: Charity.G.Embley at ttu.edu (Embley, Charity G)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 04:13:55 +0000
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
In-Reply-To: <CAOz-jXQgiUpSAHxmf4cnBjssDXY6vaCjgMGH1krmKEdeX1J3Lg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPfkVHkrGeBFCTPYjAotBfsYOBVnhWsRKQ7rhEGiraz6aa8_FA@mail.gmail.com>,<CAOz-jXQgiUpSAHxmf4cnBjssDXY6vaCjgMGH1krmKEdeX1J3Lg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR06MB3537B316EB4BA169D9D3B7D0D4A90@BN6PR06MB3537.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi,


Just a point to add here:


"Remote participants aren't given the same recognition as on-site participants, added to the situation identified by Alex that only a few persons participate remotely. The low statistics of remote participation might be a result of the non-recognition..."


I just want to add that remote participation has always BEEN an option but the problem for the lack of participation (that needs to be realized) has something to do with the time zone difference and personal obligations. This has to be accounted for. If an IGF meeting is somewhere in Europe or North America, people from the Asia Pacific region might have to spend their evenings trying to listen/participate to a session. People who are not attending the IGF on site can benefit attending remotely if an IGF is held on the same continent.  We had remote hubs and were coordinated by organizations such as ISOC chapters. But the time zone difference has been a huge factor. I know this for a fact because I participated in a remote hub. Plus, if I have a day job, I cannot be glued to a computer all day. Maybe if sessions with RP capabilities are held during weekends, some folks might stay up late or organized remote hub "parties" when it also does not interfere with anyone's day job.  A remote hub is not just merely connecting to the Internet - it also involves prior discussions with the local remote group so attendees can have a real understanding of the sessions they are attending. After the session, the local group should also have their own internal discussion based on the discussions/practices that transpired at the IGF meeting. RP attendees are also encouraged to ask questions and talk during real time. That's why there is a moderator for these things. I guess what I am trying to drive at is -there must be a framework to align RP with the IGF meetings.


Maybe if someone (or a group) can take on a research undertaking to exactly find out why RP hubs are waning down, we may be able to discover the exact reasons.  We need evidence-based findings, not just mere assumptions.


Thank you,

Charity Gamboa Embley


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Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 10:27:02 PM
To: alex.comninos at gmail.com
Cc: Arsène Tungali; governance at lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?

I like the submissions here so far. Although some of us have opposing views regarding reforming the forum, I noticed that no person had objected to Raul's assertion that the world was much better with the IGF than without it!  This means that none is saying "To hell with IGF."

Also to me, the IGF is a good thing for many reasons, including Raul's, Anriette's and Raoul's. I understand Ayden wants IGF reformed but he doesn't believe reformation is possible. Before anyone can say whether Ayden is right or wrong, and to help us answer Arsene's questions, let's look at certain features of the IGF we have now.

1. There are too many movements and too much good sounding talk that translates to only a few actions. It's a discussion forum; yes, but what are or should be the aims of the discussions? It seems to me that many participants are focused on either having a large retinue of travels or enjoying travel funding.  Some others are satisfied with just organizing sessions to display oratorial skills or to show they can organize sessions in a high-level meeting.  What should be the outcomes of such sessions is not a consideration. This links naturally to No. 2.

2. There are too many sessions. Raul mentioned this. This obscures the priority attention and general participation some sessions deserve. It's worse when an essential subject/topic have duplicate to quintiplicate or more sessions. For example, over 5 Internet shutdowns sessions and about 6 sessions on fake news were held in IGF 2017. In most cases, what actually separates one session's topic from another is the wording. As Raul suggested, sessions should be limited to a number that allows somewhat exhaustive discussions of subjects. In this way, participants can return home with convictions for concrete actions.

3. Remote participants aren't given the same recognition as on-site participants, added to the situation identified by Alex that only a few persons participate remotely. The low statistics of remote participation might be a result of the non-recognition. I had remote-participated in sessions where my chat questions and/or submissions weren't replied to.  Yet, such international discussion meetings as IGF about Internet are an excellent opportunity to authoritatively showcase and guarantee the virtual property of the Internet which is central to its working and to any myriad of benefits it can give.

4. So many important stakeholders are left out: a) populations that speak only mother tongues; b) rural folks; c) low income people; d) the physically challenged (which are often a mix of the other groups); e) students; f) the uneducated / illiterate population; etc.  Most IGF participants who claim or think they represent any of these people are not true representatives. Mechanisms should be in place to make the forum more inclusive.

5. Government delegates / participants in many cases are people who have no authority to make recommendations or take decisions and don't even give reports when they return to their countries after meeting.

6. Stakeholders who should be central in certain sessions are often absent in the sessions. Is it proper that no African governments rep was present in a session on Internet shutdowns taking a toll on Africa's economy? That's just one example of sessions not having the appropriate participants for productive discussions. Do we leave things that way?

7. IGF, regional IGFs and national IGFs appear to be operating in isolation, independent of one another in practice. Themes of meetings are often unrelated, neglecting the truth that one forum ought to be feeder node to the next. This needs a remedy.

I strongly think CS reps in MAG have a duty to present these and other shortcomings to MAG's discussions table. Depending on the strength of their business cases and way any recommendations in those lines will be made, since MAG doesn't take decisions for IGF, changes in favour are likely to take place.

Contrary or more views needed.

CPU

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018, Alex Comninos <governance at lists.riseup.net<mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:
> Remote participation needs to become a real and appealing thing for the IGF to become relevant.
> I have not taken part in IGFs since Bali due to geographical and financial constraints.
> RP is always far in the background with almost no participants. It's also really hard to actually get that terrible Cisco software working on anything but a windows PC.
> I did do some serious RP for the Mexico IGF. It could be a very powerful tool. One can easily monitor many sessions. Also one tends to be less distracted by schmoozing and travel fatigue.
> The IGF has failed to communicate to the average netizen that it exists, what it is, and that we are all stakeholders.
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2018, 20:40 Arsène Tungali, <governance at lists.riseup.net<mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf-ensure-healthy-future/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.internetsociety.org%2Fblog%2F2018%2F03%2Flets-reform-igf-ensure-healthy-future%2F&data=02%7C01%7Ccharity.g.embley%40ttu.edu%7C657ad03218ff48ff856808d58fa4d720%7C178a51bf8b2049ffb65556245d5c173c%7C0%7C0%7C636572860517929736&sdata=gnxqgCpvuC4G8suG1Ko3zz87bTt5ZLyPMhV4Q3hz7%2B8%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>> A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the need to reform the IGF. I know this is what so many other people believe we should do. Let’s talk about it!
>>
>> Can we discuss what are the changes that we would like to see happen to make the IGF as strong and powerful as it used to be? As of now, no one know where the IGF 2018 will take place and we are in March! All i know and heard from Chengetai is that they have 3 countries in mind but are yet to decide!
>>
>> Now that the new MAG was announced, what are our expectations of its members? What do you think of new and past members? What can we expect from our CS representatives there?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Arsene
>>
>> -----------------
>> Arsène Tungali,
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From joly at punkcast.com  Thu Mar 22 01:12:23 2018
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 01:12:23 -0400
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
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Just to play devil's advocate bit.

As you may know, I am a champion of remote participation. However, the
reasons that ICANN actually gave up on remote hubs, and at ICANN61 readily
reduced RP to audio stream and email  at the drop of an Adobe Connect flaw,
should be contemplated.  If not handled well, remote participation can be
disruptive, and unsatisfactory to both local and remote participants. And
handling it well can be a big drain on resources. Some times simpler
solutions work, if not better, as well.

I have particular sympathy for those in Q&A queues who, having perhaps
traveled half way around the planet to attend, are pre-empted by somebody
at home, maybe still in their pajamas.

joly



On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 12:13 AM, Embley, Charity G <
Charity.G.Embley at ttu.edu> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> Just a point to add here:
>
>
> "*Remote participants aren't given the same recognition as on-site
> participants, added to the situation identified by Alex that only a few
> persons participate remotely. The low statistics of remote participation
> might be a result of the non-recognition.*.."
>
>
> I just want to add that remote participation has always BEEN an option but
> the problem for the lack of participation (that needs to be realized) has
> something to do with the time zone difference and personal obligations.
> This has to be accounted for. If an IGF meeting is somewhere in Europe or
> North America, people from the Asia Pacific region might have to spend
> their evenings trying to listen/participate to a session. People who are
> not attending the IGF on site can benefit attending remotely if an IGF is
> held on the same continent.  We had remote hubs and were coordinated by
> organizations such as ISOC chapters. But the time zone difference has been
> a huge factor. I know this for a fact because I participated in a remote
> hub. Plus, if I have a day job, I cannot be glued to a computer all day.
> Maybe if sessions with RP capabilities are held during weekends, some folks
> might stay up late or organized remote hub "parties" when it also does not
> interfere with anyone's day job.  A remote hub is not just
> merely connecting to the Internet - it also involves prior discussions with
> the local remote group so attendees can have a real understanding of
> the sessions they are attending. After the session, the local group should
> also have their own internal discussion based on the discussions/practices
> that transpired at the IGF meeting. RP attendees are also encouraged to ask
> questions and talk during real time. That's why there is a moderator for
> these things. I guess what I am trying to drive at is -there must be
> a framework to align RP with the IGF meetings.
>
>
> Maybe if someone (or a group) can take on a research undertaking to
> exactly find out why RP hubs are waning down, we may be able to discover
> the exact reasons.  We need evidence-based findings, not just mere
> assumptions.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Charity Gamboa Embley
>
>
> [image: 1505329837626_coe_header1.jpg]
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* governance-request at lists.riseup.net <governance-request at lists.
> riseup.net> on behalf of Chris Prince Udochukwu Njoku <
> udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2018 10:27:02 PM
> *To:* alex.comninos at gmail.com
> *Cc:* Arsène Tungali; governance at lists.riseup.net
> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
>
> I like the submissions here so far. Although some of us have opposing
> views regarding reforming the forum, I noticed that no person had objected
> to Raul's assertion that the world was much better with the IGF than
> without it!  This means that none is saying "To hell with IGF."
>
> Also to me, the IGF is a good thing for many reasons, including Raul's,
> Anriette's and Raoul's. I understand Ayden wants IGF reformed but he
> doesn't believe reformation is possible. Before anyone can say whether
> Ayden is right or wrong, and to help us answer Arsene's questions, let's
> look at certain features of the IGF we have now.
>
> 1. There are too many movements and too much good sounding talk that
> translates to only a few actions. It's a discussion forum; yes, but what
> are or should be the aims of the discussions? It seems to me that many
> participants are focused on either having a large retinue of travels or
> enjoying travel funding.  Some others are satisfied with just organizing
> sessions to display oratorial skills or to show they can organize sessions
> in a high-level meeting.  What should be the outcomes of such sessions is
> not a consideration. This links naturally to No. 2.
>
> 2. There are too many sessions. Raul mentioned this. This obscures the
> priority attention and general participation some sessions deserve. It's
> worse when an essential subject/topic have duplicate to quintiplicate or
> more sessions. For example, over 5 Internet shutdowns sessions and about 6
> sessions on fake news were held in IGF 2017. In most cases, what actually
> separates one session's topic from another is the wording. As Raul
> suggested, sessions should be limited to a number that allows somewhat
> exhaustive discussions of subjects. In this way, participants can return
> home with convictions for concrete actions.
>
> 3. Remote participants aren't given the same recognition as on-site
> participants, added to the situation identified by Alex that only a few
> persons participate remotely. The low statistics of remote participation
> might be a result of the non-recognition. I had remote-participated in
> sessions where my chat questions and/or submissions weren't replied to.
> Yet, such international discussion meetings as IGF about Internet are an
> excellent opportunity to authoritatively showcase and guarantee the virtual
> property of the Internet which is central to its working and to any myriad
> of benefits it can give.
>
> 4. So many important stakeholders are left out: a) populations that speak
> only mother tongues; b) rural folks; c) low income people; d) the
> physically challenged (which are often a mix of the other groups); e)
> students; f) the uneducated / illiterate population; etc.  Most IGF
> participants who claim or think they represent any of these people are not
> true representatives. Mechanisms should be in place to make the forum more
> inclusive.
>
> 5. Government delegates / participants in many cases are people who have
> no authority to make recommendations or take decisions and don't even give
> reports when they return to their countries after meeting.
>
> 6. Stakeholders who should be central in certain sessions are often absent
> in the sessions. Is it proper that no African governments rep was present
> in a session on Internet shutdowns taking a toll on Africa's economy?
> That's just one example of sessions not having the appropriate participants
> for productive discussions. Do we leave things that way?
>
> 7. IGF, regional IGFs and national IGFs appear to be operating in
> isolation, independent of one another in practice. Themes of meetings are
> often unrelated, neglecting the truth that one forum ought to be feeder
> node to the next. This needs a remedy.
>
> I strongly think CS reps in MAG have a duty to present these and other
> shortcomings to MAG's discussions table. Depending on the strength of their
> business cases and way any recommendations in those lines will be made,
> since MAG doesn't take decisions for IGF, changes in favour are likely to
> take place.
>
> Contrary or more views needed.
>
> CPU
>
> On Wednesday, March 21, 2018, Alex Comninos <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> wrote:
> > Remote participation needs to become a real and appealing thing for the
> IGF to become relevant.
> > I have not taken part in IGFs since Bali due to geographical and
> financial constraints.
> > RP is always far in the background with almost no participants. It's
> also really hard to actually get that terrible Cisco software working on
> anything but a windows PC.
> > I did do some serious RP for the Mexico IGF. It could be a very powerful
> tool. One can easily monitor many sessions. Also one tends to be less
> distracted by schmoozing and travel fatigue.
> > The IGF has failed to communicate to the average netizen that it exists,
> what it is, and that we are all stakeholders.
> > On Mon, 19 Mar 2018, 20:40 Arsène Tungali, <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-
> igf-ensure-healthy-future/
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.internetsociety.org%2Fblog%2F2018%2F03%2Flets-reform-igf-ensure-healthy-future%2F&data=02%7C01%7Ccharity.g.embley%40ttu.edu%7C657ad03218ff48ff856808d58fa4d720%7C178a51bf8b2049ffb65556245d5c173c%7C0%7C0%7C636572860517929736&sdata=gnxqgCpvuC4G8suG1Ko3zz87bTt5ZLyPMhV4Q3hz7%2B8%3D&reserved=0>
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> >> A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the need to reform the IGF. I know this
> is what so many other people believe we should do. Let’s talk about it!
> >>
> >> Can we discuss what are the changes that we would like to see happen to
> make the IGF as strong and powerful as it used to be? As of now, no one
> know where the IGF 2018 will take place and we are in March! All i know and
> heard from Chengetai is that they have 3 countries in mind but are yet to
> decide!
> >>
> >> Now that the new MAG was announced, what are our expectations of its
> members? What do you think of new and past members? What can we expect from
> our CS representatives there?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Arsene
> >>
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Thu Mar 22 01:59:18 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Michael J. Oghia" (via governance Mailing List)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 06:59:18 +0100
Subject: [governance] Fwd: New Report: Survey of Research Needs of the
 Digital Rights Community
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FYI

Best,
-Michael

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From jmalcolm at eff.org  Thu Mar 22 15:20:22 2018
From: jmalcolm at eff.org (Jeremy Malcolm)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 12:20:22 -0700
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
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On 21/3/18 10:12 pm, Joly MacFie wrote:
> Just to play devil's advocate bit.
>
> As you may know, I am a champion of remote participation. However, the
> reasons that ICANN actually gave up on remote hubs, and at ICANN61
> readily reduced RP to audio stream and email  at the drop of an Adobe
> Connect flaw, should be contemplated.  If not handled well, remote
> participation can be disruptive, and unsatisfactory to both local and
> remote participants. And handling it well can be a big drain on
> resources. Some times simpler solutions work, if not better, as well.
>
> I have particular sympathy for those in Q&A queues who, having perhaps
> traveled half way around the planet to attend, are pre-empted by
> somebody at home, maybe still in their pajamas.

Years ago when I coordinated the Online Collaboration Dynamic Coalition
(it ended because of politics) we drew a distinction between synchronous
and asynchronous participation. The IGF's biggest problem with remote
participation is not the flaky streaming software (which I can attest
to), or the lack of consideration given to timezones (which I can also
attest to; this week's MAG meetings were from 2am - 10am my local time),
but the fact that asynchronous participation (ie. participation that
doesn't require you to be online at the same time as everyone else) is
given such a low priority.

Imagine the IGF as (a more civil, moderated, and outcome-oriented
version of) Reddit. Millions of Redditors around the world participate
in discussions and are able to collaborate together to actually create
useful things, which are an analogue of the recommendations that the IGF
could create, if it wanted to. For example, this collaborative artwork
was produced over a 72 hours period by thousands of Redditors, who came
online at different points during that 72 hour period. The result is
kind of chaotic, definitely ridiculous, but it's a legitimate work of art:

http://sudoscript.com/reddit-place/

I'm not even a big Reddit fan or user, but imagine if the IGF could do
something similar, like a policy hackathon, that could produce useful,
tangible outputs in a relatively short period of time. Unfortunately,
this kind of participation is completely off the IGF's agenda. During
the entire MAG meeting that just ended, there was zero time allotted to
discussing possible new innovative outcome-oriented processes, most time
being devoted to existing, conventional sessions such as workshops.

I have been working on some ideas for a such processes that would allow
asynchronous online participation on an equal footing to participation
in person or via synchronous attendance at an IGF meeting. There is
still a prospect that something like this could be piloted for 2018, but
many MAG members, with their focus on workshop selection and main topic
themes, don't seem to be able to see the forest for the trees. Workshops
and (conventional) main sessions should be 30% of what the IGF does, not
90%.

-- 
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Senior Global Policy Analyst
Electronic Frontier Foundation
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From joly at punkcast.com  Sun Mar 11 15:38:23 2018
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 15:38:23 -0400
Subject: [governance] WEBCAST: NetHui Copyright conference in Wellington NZ
 w/ Cory Doctorow
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk3kVzQ8c_YipJezDJQMGaUXey+ozExmOWdz37tXScSUzg@mail.gmail.com>

 As noted below, since NZ is 17 hours ahead, this starts shortly at 4pm
Sunday NYC time.

<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/netneutrality18/edit>

​

​

[image: nethui] <https://2018.nethui.nz/>On *Monday March 11 2018*,* InternetNZ
<https://internetnz.nz/>* presents the *2018 NetHui Copyright
<https://2018.nethui.nz/>* conference in Wellington NZ. This NetHui is
especially important as the NZ government is doing a review of the
Copyright Act next year. Keynote speaker is *Cory Doctorow*. A
multitrack *livestream
<https://2018.nethui.nz/nethui-livestream> *is available. Since NZ is
UTC+13, this starts at *4pm today Sunday NYC time*.

*Progra*m: https://2018.nethui.nz/programme/
*Livestream*: https://2018.nethui.nz/nethui-livestream


Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/9984#respond>    See all comments
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From pimienta at funredes.org  Thu Mar 22 17:24:09 2018
From: pimienta at funredes.org (Daniel Pimienta)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 17:24:09 -0400
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
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>The IGF's biggest problem with remote participation is not the flaky 
>streaming software (which I can attest to), or the lack of 
>consideration given to timezones (which I can also attest to; this 
>week's MAG meetings were from 2am - 10am my local time), but the 
>fact that asynchronous participation (ie. participation that doesn't 
>require you to be online at the same time as everyone else) is given 
>such a low priority.
I agree again with that statement (as I have argued few times here in 
the past in favor of asynchronous participation and offering the same 
following reference without catching much interest).

The MISTICA virtual community (a community of less than 500 people on 
the theme of Social Impact of ICT in Latin  America) had experimented 
with success between 1999 and 2004 with asynchronous distance 
participation during 4 meetings (of less than 70 people).  The 
context was obviously much more simple for the lower numbers and also 
as the meetings had no parallel session (although we did add 
translation beetween 4 languages as a more complex factor in those exchanges).

The website is still in operation http://funredes.org/mistica (but 
maybe for no much longer) although the obsolescence of software has 
started provoking loss of data (specially data bases) and 
unfortunaltely this may have affected this component.

Basically the principle was to establish synthesis at the end of each 
session which were sent to the discussion list with a header PAD-OUT 
and there were a time left (2 hours if I remember well) for the 
distance participants to react by email PAD-IN. The reaction where 
put in synthesis and a time slot was inserted in the agenda for 
reading the PAD-IN of the previous session and comment/react.

There is a human cost (writing synthesis), no technological cost at 
all, and a wonderful by-product as a bottom-line: the face to face 
participants were put in acute consciousness that they were just a 
lucky subset of a larger group (which had not the chance to be 
invited in the face to face) and that the center of gravity of the 
community was not in the face to face meeting but in the virtual 
world. Many people complained though on the rigidity of the method 
(the time left and the time slot) which was probably unavoidable.

A funny fractal effect of the method was the use of the distance 
participation method by some face to face participants provoking some 
interesting  situations/considerations.

It have to be extremely clear that such approach only make sense for 
a virtual community which production is principally made on a day to 
day basis at distance, through the discussion list and other 
mechanisms and where the meetings are just side elements of the 
central architecture, not the aim of the project.

The existence of the method (although the distance participation was 
not dense) allowed that the outcomes of the face to face meetings 
where receiving ownership and appropiation by the whole community 
which was quite a challenge solved.

To be noted that I used again that method with success during the 
Members General Asembly of the MAAYA  (World Network of 
Linguistic  Diversity - http://maaya.org ) three years ago, again in 
a quite simplest context (we were only 5 persons in the face to face 
meeting and the members were 100 and I played both the role of face 
to face meeting coordination and writer of the synthesis, relaying 
the PADIN and PADOUT - in that case the PADIN received no synthesis 
and were treated one by one).

This is not the first time I report on this method.

But again, maybe behind the question of distance participation the 
real issue for the IGF could be to decide if the project should be 
"meeting once a year oriented" (as the majority of traditional 
communities)  or rather "day to day production oriented " which could 
be an interesting challenge which does not seem to have been 
consciously taken as an objective.

The perception of the IGF from the many people who has no the budget 
to attend the yearly meetings would certainly be different in a 
scenario where the real production would be made on a day to day 
basis in the discussion list...

In my personal opinion distance collaboration should have been the 
innovative focus of the IGF (and not the traditional yearly meeting) 
and this is why I am deeply deceived to see fundamental issues not 
discussed in the "discussion list".

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 15:48:33 +0200
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
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2018-03-22 21:20 GMT+02:00 Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org>:

> On 21/3/18 10:12 pm, Joly MacFie wrote:
>
> Just to play devil's advocate bit.
>
> As you may know, I am a champion of remote participation. However, the
> reasons that ICANN actually gave up on remote hubs, and at ICANN61 readily
> reduced RP to audio stream and email  at the drop of an Adobe Connect flaw,
> should be contemplated.  If not handled well, remote participation can be
> disruptive, and unsatisfactory to both local and remote participants. And
> handling it well can be a big drain on resources. Some times simpler
> solutions work, if not better, as well.
>
> I have particular sympathy for those in Q&A queues who, having perhaps
> traveled half way around the planet to attend, are pre-empted by somebody
> at home, maybe still in their pajamas.
>
>
> I'm not even a big Reddit fan or user, but imagine if the IGF could do
> something similar, like a policy hackathon, that could produce useful,
> tangible outputs in a relatively short period of time. Unfortunately, this
> kind of participation is completely off the IGF's agenda. During the entire
> MAG meeting that just ended, there was zero time allotted to discussing
> possible new innovative outcome-oriented processes, most time being devoted
> to existing, conventional sessions such as workshops.
>

That's a good point, things need to move i believe and it will take people
with innovative ideas to push them forward and create allies to support the
idea. If people lack innovative ideas, then we will have the same issues.
And i think that's the point of renewing the MAG every year, to bring in
new people with new ideas to improve the MAG. If new people cannot
challenge existing practices, then there is no point.


>
> I have been working on some ideas for a such processes that would allow
> asynchronous online participation on an equal footing to participation in
> person or via synchronous attendance at an IGF meeting. There is still a
> prospect that something like this could be piloted for 2018, but many MAG
> members, with their focus on workshop selection and main topic themes,
> don't seem to be able to see the forest for the trees. Workshops and
> (conventional) main sessions should be 30% of what the IGF does, not 90%.
>

It is good that we have you there as another CS representative and i will
really urge other CS reps to join you in this so that we can have some
concrete action plan on how to improve this area of the IGF: the session
formats which i agree with you is one of those things that need to be
reviewed. I am curious to hear what you have in mind though to cover the
70% of the IGF.

>
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From udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng  Tue Mar 27 18:31:13 2018
From: udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng (Chris Prince Udochukwu Njoku)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 23:31:13 +0100
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Dear colleagues,

I urge anyone who can, to join this crucial working group (WG). You don't
need to be a member of IEEE. "Fake news online" is a subject that has been
in discussions, and discussants (including many of us) are always of the
view that something should be done about the problem. This WG is a step in
this direction.

Best,
Chris
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Date: Tuesday, March 27, 2018
Subject: Call for Participation: IEEE P7011™, Standard for the Process of
Identifying and Rating the Trustworthiness of News Sources
To: "udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng" <udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng>


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IEEE P7011™,
Standard for the Process of Identifying and Rating the Trustworthiness of
News Sources


IEEE Society on Social Implications of Technology/Social Implications of
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IEEE Standards Association (IEEE-SA) invites your participation in the
working group for IEEE P7011™, Standard for the Process of Identifying and
Rating the Trustworthiness of News Sources.

Why get involved:

This standard provides semi-autonomous processes using standards to create
and maintain news purveyor ratings for purposes of public awareness. It
standardizes processes to identify and rate the factual accuracy of news
stories in order to produce a rating of online news purveyors and the
online portion of multimedia news purveyors. This process will be used to
produce reputation scorecards through multi-faceted and multi-sourced
approaches. The standard defines an algorithm using open source software
and a score card rating system as methodology for rating trustworthiness as
a core tenant in an effort to establish trust and acceptance.

Who should participate:

Individuals and Companies/Entities engaged in the following areas:

News Media
Internet Search
Social Media
Online Advertising
Big Data
Human Interface
Design Ethics
Open Source Communities

Individuals working as:

Software Engineers
Journalists
AI Developers
Big Data Developers
Statisticians
Psychologists
Website Developers

Obtain more information about this Working Group

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How to Participate:

If you would like more information about this working group, please contact
the Working Group Chair, Joshua Hyman



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From udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng  Wed Mar 28 06:33:51 2018
From: udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng (Chris Prince Udochukwu Njoku)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 11:33:51 +0100
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?Call_for_Participation=3A_IEEE_P7011?=
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Hi, Iyedi, Santosh, Gosia and others,

I'm happy for your encouraging responses.

Regarding registration, Joshua's e-mail address, and more info, read on.

1. Register through this link:
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/ieee-p7011-working-group-meeting-registration-43720079936

2. Joshua Hyman's e-mail address is josh at pitt.edu

3. More info about the WG is available through this link:
http://sites.ieee.org/sagroups-7011/

4. After registering, you can also join the group's e-mail list. You do
this by sending email message to listserv at listserv.ieee.org, as follows:
a) Type the following in the first line of the body of your message:
Subscribe STDS-P7011-WG Your-Name;
b) You will receive a confirmation of your request soon after sending it.

Cheers.

On Wednesday, March 28, 2018, Gosia Fraser <malgorzata.fraser at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Dear Chris,
> Thank you kindly for sharing this opportunity with us.
> Indeed this is a very important topic and the standard developed is
crucial for the future of work on this field.
> I'm convinced that IEEE might take a meaningful part in the discussion as
we need not only policy-related opinions, but technical ones too. Any
regulation of media shall nowadays consider technical means.
> Kind regards
> mfraser
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 12:31 AM, Chris Prince Udochukwu Njoku <
udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng> wrote:
>>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> I urge anyone who can, to join this crucial working group (WG). You
don't need to be a member of IEEE. "Fake news online" is a subject that has
been in discussions, and discussants (including many of us) are always of
the view that something should be done about the problem. This WG is a step
in this direction.
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: IEEE Standards Association <ieee-sa-exec at ieee.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, March 27, 2018
>> Subject: Call for Participation: IEEE P7011™, Standard for the Process
of Identifying and Rating the Trustworthiness of News Sources
>> To: "udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng" <udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> IEEE P7011™,
>> Standard for the Process of Identifying and Rating the Trustworthiness
of News Sources
>>
>>
>> IEEE Society on Social Implications of Technology/Social Implications of
Technology Standards Committee (SSIT/SC) <
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>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> IEEE Standards Association (IEEE-SA) invites your participation in the
working group for IEEE P7011™, Standard for the Process of Identifying and
Rating the Trustworthiness of News Sources.
>>
>> Why get involved:
>>
>> This standard provides semi-autonomous processes using standards to
create and maintain news purveyor ratings for purposes of public awareness.
It standardizes processes to identify and rate the factual accuracy of news
stories in order to produce a rating of online news purveyors and the
online portion of multimedia news purveyors. This process will be used to
produce reputation scorecards through multi-faceted and multi-sourced
approaches. The standard defines an algorithm using open source software
and a score card rating system as methodology for rating trustworthiness as
a core tenant in an effort to establish trust and acceptance.
>>
>> Who should participate:
>>
>> Individuals and Companies/Entities engaged in the following areas:
>>
>> News Media
>> Internet Search
>> Social Media
>> Online Advertising
>> Big Data
>> Human Interface
>> Design Ethics
>> Open Source Communities
>>
>> Individuals working as:
>>
>> Software Engineers
>> Journalists
>> AI Developers
>> Big Data Developers
>> Statisticians
>> Psychologists
>> Website Developers
>>
>> Obtain more information about this Working Group
>>
>> <
https://ci5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/aeu-Goiex62A3ct_5CYqdX_poODJ_zxq598LHBDOrWwW5qclhNfR2qQXRUjpOTdI_RzcxDOUJ_LAvx9HX5965p5y3KBP3XA1wSxRu9WxGcKkUA=s0-d-e1-ft#http://i7.cmail19.com/ti/t/40/57C/BEE/074740/images/line.jpg
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>>
>> How to Participate:
>>
>> If you would like more information about this working group, please
contact the Working Group Chair, Joshua Hyman
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Meeting Information:
>>
>> Friday,  13 April  2018
>> 3:00PM - 4:30 PM US ET
>>
>> Via Web Conference
>>
>> REGISTER FOR MEETING
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From LB at lucabelli.net  Wed Mar 28 12:23:58 2018
From: LB at lucabelli.net (LB at lucabelli.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 09:23:58 -0700
Subject: [governance] Network self-determination: When building the Internet
 becomes a right
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Thu Mar 29 03:44:18 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Baudouin SCHOMBE (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 08:44:18 +0100
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
In-Reply-To: <3217CB70-536B-4965-9532-224554A22C9B@gmail.com>
References: <3217CB70-536B-4965-9532-224554A22C9B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5abc8b60.1c69fb81.c2e8.4220@mx.google.com>

Thanks Arsene about this question. In my view and following my modest experience, I think IGF must be improve at  national level and to reinforce multistakeholder approach.
So training's IGF at this stage is very relevant. 
We still meet many difficulties to stand up strongly this plate forms at this level. Surely we don't have same problems, same  context but the main items come from countries. Like I say up, the context isn't comparable in different continents, in different countries.

-----Message d'origine-----
De : "Arsène Tungali" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
Envoyé : ‎19/‎03/‎2018 20:40
À : "governance at lists.riseup.net" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
Objet : [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?

https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-igf-ensure-healthy-future/


A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the need to reform the IGF. I know this is what so many other people believe we should do. Let’s talk about it!


Can we discuss what are the changes that we would like to see happen to make the IGF as strong and powerful as it used to be? As of now, no one know where the IGF 2018 will take place and we are in March! All i know and heard from Chengetai is that they have 3 countries in mind but are yet to decide!


Now that the new MAG was announced, what are our expectations of its members? What do you think of new and past members? What can we expect from our CS representatives there?


Thanks,
Arsene
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about.me/ArseneTungali
+243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo


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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Thu Mar 29 04:27:45 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Wisdom Donkor (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 08:27:45 +0000
Subject: [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
In-Reply-To: <5abc8b60.1c69fb81.c2e8.4220@mx.google.com>
References: <3217CB70-536B-4965-9532-224554A22C9B@gmail.com> <5abc8b60.1c69fb81.c2e8.4220@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAAU+vPGFart9nT+e0wMr2Z0Bzku1wbRm7SCFFYWgqk+SWZ8gyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Adding to this important discussion, i am of the view that channeling our
strength at the national level will be a good thing to do at this stage,
but we shouldn't also forget the fact that education, health, agriculture,
energy and job creation are among one of the major headache of government
most especially from the low income countries. internet  has played a very
critical role in the economics of this sectors and for this reason there is
the need to strengthen the course of internet at the national levels most
especially in Education and health and for this reason job creation. Our
governments should be seen as adding internet governance to our educational
curriculum and try to fully extend internet accessibility to this sectors
if only we really want the  impact to be felt.
After all this we can begin to discuss at the global forums, sharing notes
and ideas of what works, what is not working and how to solve those common
problems.

Cheers



On Thursday, March 29, 2018, Baudouin SCHOMBE <governance at lists.riseup.net>
wrote:

> Thanks Arsene about this question. In my view and following my modest
> experience, I think IGF must be improve at  national level and to reinforce
> multistakeholder approach.
> So training's IGF at this stage is very relevant.
> We still meet many difficulties to stand up strongly this plate forms at
> this level. Surely we don't have same problems, same  context but the main
> items come from countries. Like I say up, the context isn't comparable in
> different continents, in different countries.
> ------------------------------
> De : Arsène Tungali <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> Envoyé : ‎19/‎03/‎2018 20:40
> À : governance at lists.riseup.net
> Objet : [governance] Should the IGF be reformed?
>
> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/03/lets-reform-
> igf-ensure-healthy-future/
>
>
> A blog from Raul (ISOC) about the need to reform the IGF. I know this is
> what so many other people believe we should do. Let’s talk about it!
>
>
> Can we discuss what are the changes that we would like to see happen to
> make the IGF as strong and powerful as it used to be? As of now, no one
> know where the IGF 2018 will take place and we are in March! All i know and
> heard from Chengetai is that they have 3 countries in mind but are yet to
> decide!
>
>
> Now that the new MAG was announced, what are our expectations of its
> members? What do you think of new and past members? What can we expect from
> our CS representatives there?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Arsene
> -----------------
> Arsène Tungali,
> about.me/ArseneTungali
> +243 993810967
> GPG: 523644A0
> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>
> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>


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Freedom Online Coalition (FOC) Member, Diplo Foundation Member,
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From joly at punkcast.com  Thu Mar 29 10:08:22 2018
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 10:08:22 -0400
Subject: [governance] CALL 10am EDT TODAY: Internet Society Collaborative
 Governance Project
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk1BhULvGhJSPLZ6-DCwqsdBgOMzBmoz10mYUM_ZDeonEQ@mail.gmail.com>

 Just started. Please remember to mute your mic unless speaking. If you
miss it, see
https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/videos/10155122237478239/


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[image: zoom] <https://isoc.zoom.us/j/298286925>Today, *Thursday 29 April
2018* at *10am EDT* (14:00 UTC) the Internet Society will host the second
introductory call on its *Collaborative Governance Project
<https://www.internetsociety.org/collaborativegovernance/>*. Under the
leadership of *Larry Strickling* and *Fiona Asonga*, the project will
initially concentrate on building support for collaborative governance
approaches globally. You can join remotely at
<https://isoc.zoom.us/j/298286925>*https://isoc.zoom.us/j/298286925
<https://isoc.zoom.us/j/298286925>*.

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From joly at punkcast.com  Fri Mar 30 06:25:27 2018
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 06:25:27 -0400
Subject: [governance] WEBCAST TODAY: Governing the Internet of Things
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk3_Ww+M+Gw_72_RUpZ8Rcz3YEm63cMDP8znz=Cz07z-TA@mail.gmail.com>

 ISOC DC's collaboration with American University continues to excel.

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[image: livestream]
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/iotgov>Today, *Friday
March 30 2018*, the* Internet Society Washington DC Chapter
<https://isoc-dc.org/>* (ISOC DC) and the *Internet Governance Lab*
<https://internetgovernancelab.org/> will host a mini-conference *Governing
the Internet of Things <https://isoc-dc.org/governing-internet-things/>* at
the American University in Washington DC. The Internet’s architecture and
governance structures have been designed to enable innovation, global
communication and the free flow of information, but the Internet of Things
presents a new range of governance challenges. An Internet embedded in the
material world creates new and increased concerns around privacy, security,
and the possibility of physical harm to people and disruption of material
infrastructure. To what extent do the Internet’s underlying architectural
and governance principles need to evolve to address these risks? What is
the outlook for security and privacy in the context of ubiquitous
cyber-physical systems that range from cars to medical devices to home
control systems? What forms of inequality and discrimination are emerging
in this environment? This panel brings together stakeholders from industry,
design communities, civil society and academia to address the
transformation of Internet governance in the age of cyber-physical systems.
Speakers: *Cory Doctorow*, Author; *Paul Ohm*, Professor Georgetown
Law; *Alexandra
Deschamps-Sonsino*, Open Internet of Things Certification Mark; *Gilad
Rosner*, Internet of Things Privacy Forum; *Tatevik Sargsyan*, Ranking
Digital Rights Project, New America Foundation; *Adam Thierer*, George
Mason University; *Derrick Cogburn*, American University; *Laura DeNardis*,
American University; *Andrew Rens*, American University.

*What: Governing the Internet of Things
<https://isoc-dc.org/governing-internet-things/>*
*Where: American University, Washington DC*
*When: Friday March 30 2018 9:30am-3:00pm EDT | 13:30-19:00 UTC*
*Program: https://isoc-dc.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/IoTGovernance_program.pdf
<https://isoc-dc.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/IoTGovernance_program.pdf>*
*Webcast: https://livestream.com/internetsociety/iotgov
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/iotgov> (no captions)*
*Hashtag: #IoTgov twitter
<https://twitter.com/hashtag/iotgov?f=tweets&vertical=default&src=hash>
| facebook
<https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/iotgov>*

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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Mon Mar 12 00:46:49 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Amrita" (via governance Mailing List)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 10:16:49 +0530
Subject: [governance] Read about IG Events & Policy developments for the
 Indian perspective @CCAOI Feb, 2018 Newsletter
Message-ID: <000301d3b9bd$25195110$6f4bf330$@com>

Hi,

 

For those who may be interested, read about Internet Governance Events &
Policy developments for the Indian perspective @ CCAOI Feb' Newsletter,
using this link:
http://www.ccaoi.in/UI/links/fwnewsletter/CCAOI%20Newsletter%20February%2020
18.pdf

 

 

Regards,

 

Amrita Choudhury

CCAOI

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From joly at punkcast.com  Mon Mar 12 06:28:06 2018
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 06:28:06 -0400
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?ICANN61_under_way_in_San_Juan_=E2=80=93_re?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?mote_participation_info?=
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk1p1i=F3kXunsr-oZgpEAY_VfKsfrv77VuDisE4F28Txw@mail.gmail.com>

 Many participants have been in San Juan for several days already, for the
NASIG <http://northamericansig.org/> and preliminary sessions, but the
meeting proper starts today. Conveniently on NYC time. I have highlighted a
few sessions, particularly cross-community ones and the public forum, on the
 ISOC-NY Calendar
<https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=ngq6h52eiecr1uqnq93pbplvj8%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/New_York>.
If you have others that you would like to see included, send them to
admin at isoc-ny.org

<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/netneutrality18/edit>

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[image: ICANN61] <https://meetings.icann.org/en/sanjuan61>The *61st meeting
of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
<https://meetings.icann.org/en/sanjuan61>* (ICANN61) is taking place *March
10 – March 15 2018* in *San Juan, Puerto Rico <http://icann61.pr/>*.
ICANN61 is ICANN’s 2018 Community Forum. This six-day meeting is focused on
outreach, capacity building, and showcasing ICANN’s work to a broader
global audience. Remote participation/webcast is available via Adobe
Connect. Live english transcription plus up to 7 languages of audio streams
are also available. There will be livestreams of certain sessions. Find a
session on the schedule for details. San Juan is AST same as EDT in NYC
(UTC-4).










*What: ICANN61 <https://meetings.icann.org/en/sanjuan61>Where: San Juan,
Puerto Rico <http://icann61.pr/>When: March 10 – March 15 2018Full
Schedule: https://61.schedule.icann.org/meetings
<https://61.schedule.icann.org/meetings>ICANN Livestream
channel: https://livestream.com/icannmeeting
<https://livestream.com/icannmeeting>ICANN YouTube
channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/ICANNnews/videos
<https://www.youtube.com/user/ICANNnews/videos>ICANN Soundcloud
channel: https://soundcloud.com/icann
<https://soundcloud.com/icann>Twitter: https://twitter.com/hashtag/icann61
<https://twitter.com/hashtag/icann61>Facebook:
https://facebook.com/hashtag/icann61
<https://facebook.com/hashtag/icann61>*


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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Thu Mar 15 08:41:31 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Ginger Paque (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 07:41:31 -0500
Subject: [governance] CS statements about MAG renewals at upcoming OC?
Message-ID: <CALCecM-jGdmAY3hRXzSaOMpLPQABNBVSQW7jWLMEUUT8_hmfMg@mail.gmail.com>

Apologies if this has been discussed and I have not seen it. If it has,
please consider this as my support for such statements, as I think it is
very important.

Are CS groups preparing statements at the opening of the OC to make it very
clear that the MAG needs to be reappointed much earlier — and that its new
membership should be effective on the last day of the IGF Annual meeting?

Thanks,
Ginger

*______________________________*

*Ginger (Virginia) Paque*

IG and E-diplomacy Programmes | Research Associate
DiploFoundation

WMO | 7bis, Avenue de la Paix | 1202 Geneva - Switzerland
www.diplomacy.edu
* <http://www.diplomacy.edu/courses>*
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From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Thu Mar 15 08:44:43 2018
From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (Wolfgang Kleinwaechter)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 13:44:43 +0100
Subject: Antw: [governance] CS statements about MAG renewals at upcoming OC?
In-Reply-To: <CALCecM-jGdmAY3hRXzSaOMpLPQABNBVSQW7jWLMEUUT8_hmfMg@mail.gmail.com>
References:  <CALCecM-jGdmAY3hRXzSaOMpLPQABNBVSQW7jWLMEUUT8_hmfMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5AAA78CB020000880003A1A1@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de>

Any news about IGF 2018?

w





>>> "Ginger Paque" (via governance Mailing List)
<governance at lists.riseup.net> 15.03.18 13.42 Uhr >>>
Apologies if this has been discussed and I have not seen it. If it has,
please consider this as my support for such statements, as I think it is
very important.
Are CS groups preparing statements at the opening of the OC to make it
very clear that the MAG needs to be reappointed much earlier — and that
its new membership should be effective on the last day of the IGF Annual
meeting? 

Thanks,
Ginger
______________________________

Ginger (Virginia) Paque
IG and E-diplomacy Programmes | Research Associate
DiploFoundation
WMO | 7bis, Avenue de la Paix | 1202 Geneva - Switzerland
www.diplomacy.edu
















 

 

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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Thu Mar 15 08:49:14 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne?= Tungali (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 08:49:14 -0400
Subject: [governance] CS statements about MAG renewals at upcoming OC?
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I too would support such an action! I recall that’s what they wanted to do, with opening up the call for application early enough but something happened! We never heard about the new MAG members!

Chengetai announced two days ago (at the current ICANN meeting in Puerto Rico) that the list was to be out either on that day or the following one. But i am not sure it is out, or did i miss it?

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> On Mar 15, 2018, at 8:44 AM, Wolfgang Kleinwaechter <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:
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> Any news about IGF 2018?
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> >>> "Ginger Paque" (via governance Mailing List) <governance at lists.riseup.net> 15.03.18 13.42 Uhr >>>
> Apologies if this has been discussed and I have not seen it. If it has, please consider this as my support for such statements, as I think it is very important.
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> Are CS groups preparing statements at the opening of the OC to make it very clear that the MAG needs to be reappointed much earlier — and that its new membership should be effective on the last day of the IGF Annual meeting? 
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> Thanks,
> Ginger
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