[governance] [bestbits] Fw: [Igfregionals] Fw: [IGFmaglist] World Economic Forum - Davos 2018 "Creating a Shared Future in a Fractured World”

Mon Jan 22 02:46:37 EST 2018

That's a good point, De and I would welcome anyone who would like to
hold the pen and draft something to Lynn. We can ask her clarification
about all these things "representation" to help clear any future
issues.

I also liked the idea of having the IGF represented (through an
individual representative or so) at these various fora/institutions.
But again, where will this person come from? Someone from the
Secretariat? Anyone from the community? How? I think there are so many
things that the IGF (in its current form cannot just do).

But more importantly, i would suggest we use this opportunity to make
our voice, as CS, known in Davos through people such as Lynn who are
invited (we can include few suggestions in our communication with her
or through the different channels she suggested) or Access Now's CEO
who will also speaking and who is receiving inputs from civil society
groups (buff.ly/2FQXPZZ).

Let's move this discussion ahead if we want to make our voice heard.

2018-01-20 17:33 UTC+02:00, Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>:
> Rather than continuing to speculate should we not write to Lynn, listing
> our concerns and asking for her explanation?
> Deirdre
>
> On 20 January 2018 at 11:10, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday 20 January 2018 04:56 PM, Chris Prince Udochukwu Njoku wrote:
>>
>> Can the invitation letter be seen by others? It's possible for the
>> invitation to be just for Lynn (because she has adequate credentials to
>> deserve personal invitation), but she sees an opportunity in it to make
>> some presentations on behalf of IGF. That's what I suspect from the
>> clause:
>>
>>  "I/the IGF have been invited..."
>>
>> That's IMO also why it looks like MAG was bypassed.
>>
>> If the invitation is personal, Lynn has every right and all it takes to
>> attend the forum and do all the roles she had outlined, but any
>> ideas/opinions/arguments she will present and any incidents are strictly
>> hers.
>>
>>
>> Yes Chris, it will be good to know, but do note that the email also talk
>> about some "two way collaboration between the WEF and IGF" .... this
>> doesn't look personal to me at all!  , parminder
>>
>>
>> It doesn't (and can't) follow that because she's MAG chair she'll be
>> representing MAG or IGF. If the invitation letter is specifically to IGF
>> MAG Chair, then she's entltled to answer the invitation on that capacity,
>> after properly informing the constituency. She may or may not seek
>> anyone's
>> inputs to what she'll say or do. However, an invitation letter to IGF
>> certainly requires a process of determining the person or delegation to
>> represent IGF in word and action.
>>
>> I strongly think it's important for Lynn to explain her use of the
>> forward
>> slash between "I" and "the IGF".  Is the invitation letter ambiguous (not
>> clear about who's invited)?
>>
>> CPU
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2018 4:14 AM, "parminder" <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday 19 January 2018 11:23 PM, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
>>
>> On 19/1/18 5:11 am, parminder wrote:
>>
>> I really did not know that IGF had its own agency to represent itself at
>> other forums. Whom does it really represent? Because when you represent,
>> you also speak for. For whom does the it speak, and on what basis? ..
>> That
>> is a mission creep which has been done without consulting or even
>> declaring....
>>
>>
>> I actually agree with Parminder on this (yes, it does happen). Not that I
>> think that the IGF shouldn't be able to be represented in an official way
>> at other international institutions. On the contrary, I strongly believe
>> that it should be able to do so,
>>
>>
>> That might be one view, but it was not ever proposed nor agreed to by,
>> lets use the term, "IGF community". This is always the problem with so
>> called or claimed "open and flexible process", they get captured by
>> whoever
>> can expend the most resources. Norms and structures then can accordingly
>> work to ensure fairness and equity, the values that should be central to
>> progressive civil society
>>
>> .... parminder
>>
>>
>> and the fact that it hasn't been able to effectively deliver messages to
>> other institutions has been one of its chief failings. I also don't blame
>> Lynn St Amour for wanting to do this.
>>
>> But this is not the way to do it! The liaison between IGF and WEF (and
>> IETF, ICANN, OECD, WTO...) should be formally institutionalised in some
>> way, so that there is accountability and legitimacy. It shouldn't just be
>> casually announced that "I/the IGF have been invited...", as if the
>> distinction is immaterial.
>>
>> I do disagree in one minor respect with Parminder and that's that, in my
>> reading of what has happened, it's not that the MAG has engineered this,
>> but rather that it's been done in a way that deliberately bypassed the
>> MAG,
>> because the MAG is so dysfunctional that it stands in the way of the
>> evolution of the IGF, in this and other respects, and Lynn knows this.
>>
>> But that doesn't make it right. If anything, this means the MAG needs to
>> be overhauled, not that it needs to be minimized and bypassed. I support
>> Parminder's call for the CS members of the MAG to hold it accountable
>> here
>> and to call for the institution of a proper, transparent and accountable
>> process for the appointment of formal institutional liaisons between the
>> IGF and other bodies.
>>
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