From parminder at itforchange.net  Thu Feb  1 10:08:40 2018
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 20:38:40 +0530
Subject: [governance] WGEC fails to give any recommendation
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The UN General Assembly mandated Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation
(on international Internet related public policies) which was tasked to
develop institutional means for appropriate governance of the global
Internet folded up yesterday after 4 years of work ( 2 years each of two
versions) without making any recommendation. I wrote the following email
to the group that lays out how I see the group's work, especially its
failure to come up with any recommendation...

parminder


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Subject: 	thanks, goodbye, and a few reflections on WGEC
Date: 	Thu, 1 Feb 2018 19:22:35 +0530
From: 	parminder <parminder.js at gmail.com>
To: 	CSTD-WGEC at unctad.org <CSTD-WGEC at unctad.org>, stdev <stdev at unctad.org>



Dear All

As the two years of WGEC end (4 for me, continuing from the last WGEC),
one departs with a lot of learning, growth and good memoires. Thank you
all for being a part of it. I wish to say farewell to all, till we meet
again!

On the work side: after a night’s sleep over it, this is what I feel
about the WGEC’s work.

There were promising exciting moments in the last hours. If these could
have come earlier it might just have been possible for us to have made
some progress. But then, unfortunately, they did not. In the end, my
summative assessment is as follows. It would have been nice to have had
a report, but it is more truthful that there isnt one. That is the true
reflection of the state of affairs. And while we have responsibilities
to ourselves and to the group of nice-ness and collegiality, there is a
much higher responsibility of telling the undiluted truth to the global
public.

And the truth is that on the matter of how public governance of the
global Internet and the digital phenomenon should be undertaken in the
UN, we today are even more apart then we were even at the WSIS. A good
proof of it comes from examining what was the central piece of the
excitement of the last hours yesterday (an excitement, I admit, I shared
in the room at that time.). At Tunis, the global community could agree
that (1) the current mechanisms of global public governance of the
Internet were inadequate ( Tunis Agenda, para 60), and (2) urgent
further work is needed that “could envisage creation of a suitable
framework or mechanisms…” ( para 61). Seventeen years after WSIS, when
theInternet/ digital has transformed the world beyond what anyone could
haveimaginedin Tunis, and there are unthinkably monumental governance
needs and challenges, a weak formulation that we can continue to
consider “the possibility of new [institutional approaches]” was offered
as the “big” (and the only) carrot. That too only in the last few hours.

And then is was quickly withdrawn, seeminglyin exchange of putting, in a
portion of the report that mentioned“the keyissues discussed” (and of
course non agreed ), a para or two each of the two key divergent
positions on the need fornew institutional development. This would just
have been a factual statement of what actually got presented and
discussed, but not agreed.While I myself shared in the excited
possibility of us getting some agreement somehow, it is evident that
this was much less that what the Tunis Agenda already mentions. Although
it is admittedlybetter that what has evergot into the texts since then,
which was why some of us wereready to take it, until the offer got
withdrawn. This is where the negotiations collapsed, as time was in any
case not on our side.

A “no report” therefore conveys the fact of the matter more truthfully
to our constituents that a report that, apologies the for dismissive
tone, but, honestly, largely said things to the effect that “people in
the world should be more honest and friendly”. Would such a reporthave
representedprogress? Not in my view. It would more likely have been a
smoke screen of seemingprogress on the subject, for some unnecessary
months or years, which would have onlyretardedurgent consideration of
this most important global public policy imperative, whichis required
right now. We are already late in fact.

So rather than rue that we could not agree to some weak and largely
meaningless report regardinghow global public governance of the Internet
(and the digital phenomenon) should be done, let us be satisfied that we
put inour best efforts to converge, and then honestly we let the world
know that there does notyet exist the political will to develop
appropriate global mechanismsof public governance of the Internet. Even
in tragedy, honestly serves better that superfluous make-believes
thatcould elevate one’sspirits temporarily. Thepublic interest is served
best by stating the actual fact, and we did that by the act of “no report”.

I much thank Amb Benedicto for his exceptionally patient, inclusive and
capable handling of a very difficult discussion. Special kudos for the
secretariat for providing high quality professional helpthat never
slipped, which letour work go on sosmoothly.

And a warm thanks and goodbye to all members.

Best regards

parminder

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From bzs at theworld.com  Fri Feb  2 13:35:48 2018
From: bzs at theworld.com (bzs at theworld.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 13:35:48 -0500
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] UN Working Group considering mechanisms
 for global governance of Internet fails
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For years I'd go to ICANN meetings and ask people building all these
castles in the sky "so, what are you going to do when the adults show
up?"

I'd either get blank looks or "what do you mean by 'adults'?"

And I'd say like people who actually have armies at their disposal, or
heads (or their direct representatives) of multibillion dollar telecom
companies rather than what I see here, mostly a ragtag bunch of
well-meaning unpaid volunteers spending a lot of their time and energy
fighting over some travel budget.

If there's actually anything here worth fighting for, and no doubt
some of you feel strongly that there is, it's probably long overdue to
worry less about the issues, you mostly agree except perhaps on some
fine points, and more about how or why you would possibly get a seat
at the adults' table.

Otherwise this is likely to degenerate into nothing more than yet
another mutual admiration society of little consequence.

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From milton at gatech.edu  Sat Feb  3 11:36:15 2018
From: milton at gatech.edu (Mueller, Milton L)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2018 16:36:15 +0000
Subject: [governance] FW: [IGP Announce] The 2006 Definition of Whois
 Purpose: Case study of the "bad old days" in ICANN
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February 03, 2018

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From amritachoudhury8 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 01:17:36 2018
From: amritachoudhury8 at gmail.com (Amrita)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 11:47:36 +0530
Subject: [governance] Internet Governance Developments in January 2018
Message-ID: <084101d39f12$31948100$94bd8300$@com>

Hi 

For those who are interested, you can read about Internet Governance Events
& Policy Developments in January, 2018, from the Indian Perspective, curated
by CCAOI  using this link
<http://www.ccaoi.in/UI/links/fwnewsletter/CCAOI%20Newsletter%20January%2020
18.pdf> .  

Regards,

Amrita Choudhury

Director CCAOI <http://www.ccaoi.in/> 

 

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From joly at punkcast.com  Thu Feb  8 14:39:50 2018
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 14:39:50 -0500
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?WEBCAST_TODAY=3A_Bruce_Schneier_=E2=80=93_?=
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 We very much appreciate the opportunity to stream Mr Schneier on any
occasion. The last time we saw him at Columbia was 2013 with Eben Moglen
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From milton at gatech.edu  Fri Feb  9 11:16:44 2018
From: milton at gatech.edu (Mueller, Milton L)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 16:16:44 +0000
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] UN Working Group considering mechanisms
 for global governance of Internet fails
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Dave:
If you think Parminder fears government involvement you are deeply confused and deeply out of touch with the real politics of Internet governance.

From: governance-request at lists.riseup.net [mailto:governance-request at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Dave Burstein
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 6:51 PM
To: Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>
Cc: parminder <parminder.js at gmail.com>; governance at lists.riseup.net; BestBitsList <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>; Forum at Justnetcoalition. Org <forum at justnetcoalition.org>
Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] UN Working Group considering mechanisms for global governance of Internet fails

Quickly

I didn't mean "a Marc Anthony’s funeral oration vibe" when I said I believe Parminder, Vint Cerf, and similar are taking their positions "honorably" because they fear any government involvement. No satire or implications.

I do know the U.S. government position is a cold war revival. Larry Strickling, a lead of the U.S. government at WCIT explained their position by asking me, "Dave, do you want Russia and China running the Internet." I do, actually, alongside other nations. China is now 1/3rd of the Internet. A system that excludes them is unstable.  (See the board of ICANN or ISOC.)

As I predicted, what's happening is the excluded are building their alternate institutions: BRICs agreements, World Internet Conference, Belt & Road extending to Europe and Africa, Russia's alternate root. http://netpolicynews.com/index.php/component/content/article/89-r/941-russia-orders-alternate-internet-system






On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:37 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net<mailto:suresh at hserus.net>> wrote:
I’m getting a strong Marc Anthony’s funeral oration vibe here when I read your email :)

But how would moving all this mess to the UN make it multistakeholder?  You’d just see a more government centric model, with most stakeholders kept away from policy making.

Maybe some favoured civil society would get in based on how close they are to their individual governments but that’s about it.

And as for industry the traditional telecom players would have a disproportionate presence compared to most anyone else.

There is a lot to carp and criticise over the existing model, but exchanging it for the UN would be that old Aesop fable of the fish getting king stork instead of king log.

_____________________________
From: Dave Burstein <daveb at dslprime.com<mailto:daveb at dslprime.com>>
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] UN Working Group considering mechanisms for global governance of Internet fails
To: parminder <parminder.js at gmail.com<mailto:parminder.js at gmail.com>>
Cc: <governance at lists.riseup.net<mailto:governance at lists.riseup.net>>, BestBitsList <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net<mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>>, Forum at Justnetcoalition. Org <forum at justnetcoalition.org<mailto:forum at justnetcoalition.org>>
(The euphemism is "only high order principles.) I'm sure folks like Vint Cerf support "multistakeholder" and "consensus" for honorable fear of governments. Knowing Parminder's work, I expect he's in that camp, also for honorable reasons.





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From daveb at dslprime.com  Fri Feb  9 14:13:41 2018
From: daveb at dslprime.com (Dave Burstein)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 14:13:41 -0500
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] UN Working Group considering mechanisms
 for global governance of Internet fails
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On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 11:16 AM, Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>
wrote:

> Dave:
>
> If you think Parminder fears government involvement you are deeply
> confused and deeply out of touch with the real politics of Internet
> governance.
>
>
> ​Milton - I'd go offlist since I write so much but you sent this to the
lists.

I was writing carelessly when I said anything about Parminder's point of
view, which I actually don't know in any depth. I was being polite and
responding to his email.

The thing of substance I was saying​ had two parts. "I'm sure folks like
Vint Cerf support "multistakeholder" and "consensus" for honorable fear of
governments." is meant exactly as it reads, and corresponds to what I said
in an ISOC discussion of similar (where I also included Kathy Brown.) Vint
had objected to my saying ISOC & ICANN excluding ~ half the Internet was an
issue that needed to be fixed. But I don't believe Vint, etc. are taking
that position to defend massive international surveillance.

I do not attribute to Vint & others what I do believe is true of the U.S.
government position for "multistakeholder" etc. I

Larry Strickling at WCIT said to me, as I included in the note, "Dave, do
you want Russia and China running the Internet." I do, actually, alongside
other nations. China is now 1/3rd of the Internet. A system that excludes
them is unstable.  (See the board of ICANN or ISOC.)
As I predicted, what's happening is the excluded are building their
alternate institutions: BRICs agreements, World Internet Conference, Belt &
Road extending to Europe and Africa, Russia's alternate root.
http://netpolicynews.com/index.php/component/content/article/89-r/941-
russia-orders-alternate-internet-system

Which was in context here, because the debate over "enhance cooperation" is
a reflection of the disagreement about government roles.
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From milton at gatech.edu  Mon Feb 12 10:22:51 2018
From: milton at gatech.edu (Mueller, Milton L)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 15:22:51 +0000
Subject: [governance] My thoughts on the failure of "enhanced cooperation"
Message-ID: <CY1PR0701MB127412DBD9D658E93121770DA1F70@CY1PR0701MB1274.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

On January 31 a United Nations-based working group with grand ambitions for making "global public policy" for the Internet terminated its activities without accomplishing anything. The WGEC held five meetings over two years, based on a mandate that was established in 2005. But in the end it was unable to agree on any recommendations. For those in the know, this failure is completely unsurprising. So why bother to write about an obscure UN working group that couldn't make a decision?

Because the WGEC provides an object lesson in how not to do global internet governance. More specifically, it shows why it is futile to rely on states and intergovernmental processes for the development of global public policies for the Internet. It also shows why diplomatic attempts to obscure hard choices with vague words don't succeed - they just waste everyone's time.

https://www.internetgovernance.org/2018/02/10/goodbye-good-riddance-enhanced-cooperation/
Dr. Milton L. Mueller
Professor, School of Public Policy
Georgia Institute of Technology

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From joly at punkcast.com  Tue Feb 13 15:33:52 2018
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:33:52 -0500
Subject: [governance] WEBCAST TODAY: Ottawa Pre-ICANN 61 Readout Event
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 ICANN 61 is rapidly approaching - 10-15 March in Puerto Rico. This event
will preview some of the major issues that will be under discussion.

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<http://www.tc.ca/>* presents
a *Pre-ICANN 61 Readout*
<https://www.eventbrite.com/e/icann-pre-icann61-readout-tickets-42760685361>
 at the Canadian Internet Registration Authority (CIRA) offices in Ottawa,
Canada. ICANN readouts are outreach events designed to inform Internet end
users about evolving issues at the international level. Speakers at this
event will highlight: — ongoing controversies in the top-level domain space
(is .amazon a region or a company?), jurisdictional concerns around ICANN
as a legal entity under California law, and rapidly emerging privacy issues
involving Whois and the new EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR).
The session will open with a quick primer on ICANN – why end user
participation matters and how to get involved in the multistakeholderism
model. Speakers: *Joe Catapano* & *Chris Mondini*, ICANN; *Stephanie Perrin*
 (GNSO); *Allan McGillivery*, CIRA;* Pam Miller* and *Luisa Paez* (GAC).
The event will be webcast live on the *Internet Society Livestream Channe*l
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/preicann61> (open captions). Remote
Participation will be via *Adobe Connect
<https://participate.icann.org/gsenorthamerica/>*.







*What: Pre-ICANN 61 Readout
<https://www.eventbrite.com/e/icann-pre-icann61-readout-tickets-42760685361>Where:
Canadian Internet Registration Authority (CIRA) offices in Ottawa,
CanadaWhen: Tuesday February 13 2018 4pm-5pm EST | 21:00-22:00 UTCAdobe
Connect: https://participate.icann.org/gsenorthamerica/
<https://participate.icann.org/gsenorthamerica/>Livestream:
https://livestream.com/internetsociety/preicann61
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/preicann61>Real Time
Text: http://bit.ly/icannrtt <http://bit.ly/icannrtt>Twitter:
#preicann61 http://bit.ly/preicann61 <http://bit.ly/preicann61>*

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From joly at punkcast.com  Thu Feb 15 02:16:47 2018
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 02:16:47 -0500
Subject: [governance] WEBCAST TODAY: Congressional Briefing: The Importance
 of Local Voices in Broadband Decisions
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk3sapK2sQv=4dZg5spZnXSZCDRkS5shRMrU2EJdszCt_A@mail.gmail.com>

 We can expect some hard truths at this one. A type of conversation that is
all too rare.



<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/netneutrality18/edit>

[image: livestream] <http://nextcenturycities.org/>On *Thursday February 15
2018* at *3pm* ET *Next Century Cities <http://nextcenturycities.org/>* will
present a *Congressional Briefing: The Importance of Local Voices in
Broadband Decisions
<http://nextcenturycities.org/event/congressional-briefing-the-importance-of-local-voices-in-broadband-decisions/>*
in
Washington DC, hosted by *Congresswoman Anna Eshoo* (D-CA). A panel of
local elected officials from across the country will discuss creative local
solutions and the importance of local input and decision-making for
broadband issues like infrastructure planning, 5G development, and rural
broadband access. Speakers: *Wade Troxell*, Mayor, Fort Collins,
Colorado; *Robert
Wack*, City Council President, Westminster, Maryland; *Jeremy Pietzold*,
City Council President & Sandynet Chair, Sandy, Oregon; *Greg Murphy*,
Supervisor Chair, Faxon Township & RS Fiber Joint Powers Board Chair,
Minnesota; *Patrick Mulhearn*, Policy Analyst, Santa Cruz County,
California. Moderator: *Deb Socia*, Executive Director, Next Century
Cities. The event will be webcast live on the* Internet Society Livestream
Channel <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/ncclocal/>*. (No captions).

*What: Congressional Briefing: The Importance of Local Voices in Broadband
Decisions
<http://nextcenturycities.org/event/congressional-briefing-the-importance-of-local-voices-in-broadband-decisions/>*
*Where: Cannon House Office Building, Washington DC*
*When: Thursday February 15 2018 3pm-4pm ET (20:00-21:00 UTC)*
*Webcast: https://livestream.com/internetsociety/ncclocal
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/ncclocal>*
*Twitter: @NextCentCit + #broadband http://bit.ly/nccbroadband
<http://bit.ly/nccbroadband>*

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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Fri Feb 16 02:00:12 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne?= Tungali (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:00:12 +0200
Subject: [governance] CS Organizations attending ICANN61
Message-ID: <3D5DEA0D-3C67-4BF1-A5B2-D1D7DD3E96DF@gmail.com>

Hi there,

If you plan to attend then upcoming ICANN61 public meeting, please do check the invitation bellow and confirm your attendance to Renata (see bellow).

Thanks,
Arsene

-----------------
Arsène Tungali,
about.me/ArseneTungali
+243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo

Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> Date: February 16, 2018 at 12:54:37 AM GMT+2
> To: Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
> Subject: IGC
> 
> Hi
> Can you please send our invite to IGC?
> 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bfwAi7BgTkWSP8yX820kfUXHsSopvlcyzwhy1RaJnpE/edit?usp=sharing
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Thu Feb  1 10:11:58 2018
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 20:41:58 +0530
Subject: [governance] WGEC fails to give any recommendation
In-Reply-To: <49468b0d-7405-8f4b-7dbe-4ce958538932@itforchange.net>
References: <241dd309-66ea-49f3-054f-aaed94536dab@gmail.com>
 <49468b0d-7405-8f4b-7dbe-4ce958538932@itforchange.net>
Message-ID: <48da0e26-d069-9087-34d1-5bbc53fc5f4b@itforchange.net>

The following is the initial political statement on the failure of the
WGEC to come up with any recommendation which has been developed on the
behalf of many civil society groups I work with. A more elaborate
collectively developed statement will follow.

STATEMENT BEGINS

    The UN CSTD Working Group On Enhanced Cooperation (on International
    public policies pertaining to the Internet) was tasked with
    developing institutional proposals towards appropriate global
    governance of the Internet, and the larger digital phenomenon. After
    five meeting over two years, it wound up yesterday, 31st January,
    without giving any recommendation.

    We are extremely disappointed at this continued abdication by the
    governments and the UN system of what is one of the most important
    public policy and governance requirements today. It will astonish
    ordinary people on the streets to know that the governments of the
    world and the UN think that all is well with the global Internet and
    the global digital phenomenon, and with its social, economic,
    political, social and cultural effects. And, that people should just
    get on with it with no need for any globally democratic development
    of norms, principles, polices and laws in this all important area.
    As one delegate put it succinctly at the Working Group meeting, to
    the effect, that we are kidding ourselves if we think that
    international law does not need to – and would not eventually – come
    to the Internet. Well, we do not think it is kidding though. It is
    all bare knuckle adult stuff, of protecting very narrow commercial
    and political interests, and letting the global public interest sink
    in the bargain.

    But let us beware, we would sink together if we do not develop means
    to float together. As the Internet/ digital becomes key of all our
    social structures, what provides us the means of collective floating
    (or non-sinking) are the appropriate and adequate global mechanisms
    for Internet’s governance in public interest. We seem to be just
    waiting for some catastrophic events to force us to begin doing what
    we must; which is never a sane course of action. We once again
    appeal to the leaders of the global community to abandon this
    dangerous and suicidal path of abdication. Let us contribute to
    building the required global political institutions for the fast
    emerging global digital society – which will ensure the rule of law,
    and people’s safety, happiness, prosperity, equity and social justice.

    The Working Group gathered all views – including through public
    comments – on various institutional responses that may be
    appropriate to meet the needs of global governance of the Internet/
    digital phenomenon. Some of these views, especially a common
    proposal by many members of the Working Group, present clear ways
    forward for setting up a new global institution for Internet’s
    governance. What is required now is political will, at the highest
    level, to take this proposal forward and implement it. This task is
    best suited for the UN General Assembly which should undertake a
    dedicated discussion on this subject, taking into account various
    institutional proposals that were submitted to and discussed by the
    Working Group.

    The G 77 group of developing countries already made a written
    initial proposal for a new institutional mechanism in 2014 during
    the preparatory process of the ten year review of the World Summit
    on the Information Society. In this statement it was agreed that the
    proposal will be further fleshed out in terms of specific details of
    such an institutional mechanism. The inputs to, and the
    deliberations of, the Working Group now provide enough material to
    undertake this task which should urgently be taken up by G 77, and
    other supporting countries, and a full proposal made in this regard
    to the UN General Assembly later this year.


for
IT for Change, and other civil society organisations

ENDS

Thanks, and best regards, parminder


On Thursday 01 February 2018 08:38 PM, parminder wrote:
>
> The UN General Assembly mandated Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation
> (on international Internet related public policies) which was tasked
> to develop institutional means for appropriate governance of the
> global Internet folded up yesterday after 4 years of work ( 2 years
> each of two versions) without making any recommendation. I wrote the
> following email to the group that lays out how I see the group's work,
> especially its failure to come up with any recommendation...
>
> parminder
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: 	thanks, goodbye, and a few reflections on WGEC
> Date: 	Thu, 1 Feb 2018 19:22:35 +0530
> From: 	parminder <parminder.js at gmail.com>
> To: 	CSTD-WGEC at unctad.org <CSTD-WGEC at unctad.org>, stdev
> <stdev at unctad.org>
>
>
>
> Dear All
>
> As the two years of WGEC end (4 for me, continuing from the last
> WGEC), one departs with a lot of learning, growth and good memoires.
> Thank you all for being a part of it. I wish to say farewell to all,
> till we meet again!
>
> On the work side: after a night’s sleep over it, this is what I feel
> about the WGEC’s work.
>
> There were promising exciting moments in the last hours. If these
> could have come earlier it might just have been possible for us to
> have made some progress. But then, unfortunately, they did not. In the
> end, my summative assessment is as follows. It would have been nice to
> have had a report, but it is more truthful that there isnt one. That
> is the true reflection of the state of affairs. And while we have
> responsibilities to ourselves and to the group of nice-ness and
> collegiality, there is a much higher responsibility of telling the
> undiluted truth to the global public.
>
> And the truth is that on the matter of how public governance of the
> global Internet and the digital phenomenon should be undertaken in the
> UN, we today are even more apart then we were even at the WSIS. A good
> proof of it comes from examining what was the central piece of the
> excitement of the last hours yesterday (an excitement, I admit, I
> shared in the room at that time.). At Tunis, the global community
> could agree that (1) the current mechanisms of global public
> governance of the Internet were inadequate ( Tunis Agenda, para 60),
> and (2) urgent further work is needed that “could envisage creation of
> a suitable framework or mechanisms…” ( para 61). Seventeen years after
> WSIS, when theInternet/ digital has transformed the world beyond what
> anyone could haveimaginedin Tunis, and there are unthinkably
> monumental governance needs and challenges, a weak formulation that we
> can continue to consider “the possibility of new [institutional
> approaches]” was offered as the “big” (and the only) carrot. That too
> only in the last few hours.
>
> And then is was quickly withdrawn, seeminglyin exchange of putting, in
> a portion of the report that mentioned“the keyissues discussed” (and
> of course non agreed ), a para or two each of the two key divergent
> positions on the need fornew institutional development. This would
> just have been a factual statement of what actually got presented and
> discussed, but not agreed.While I myself shared in the excited
> possibility of us getting some agreement somehow, it is evident that
> this was much less that what the Tunis Agenda already mentions.
> Although it is admittedlybetter that what has evergot into the texts
> since then, which was why some of us wereready to take it, until the
> offer got withdrawn. This is where the negotiations collapsed, as time
> was in any case not on our side.
>
> A “no report” therefore conveys the fact of the matter more truthfully
> to our constituents that a report that, apologies the for dismissive
> tone, but, honestly, largely said things to the effect that “people in
> the world should be more honest and friendly”. Would such a reporthave
> representedprogress? Not in my view. It would more likely have been a
> smoke screen of seemingprogress on the subject, for some unnecessary
> months or years, which would have onlyretardedurgent consideration of
> this most important global public policy imperative, whichis required
> right now. We are already late in fact.
>
> So rather than rue that we could not agree to some weak and largely
> meaningless report regardinghow global public governance of the
> Internet (and the digital phenomenon) should be done, let us be
> satisfied that we put inour best efforts to converge, and then
> honestly we let the world know that there does notyet exist the
> political will to develop appropriate global mechanismsof public
> governance of the Internet. Even in tragedy, honestly serves better
> that superfluous make-believes thatcould elevate one’sspirits
> temporarily. Thepublic interest is served best by stating the actual
> fact, and we did that by the act of “no report”.
>
> I much thank Amb Benedicto for his exceptionally patient, inclusive
> and capable handling of a very difficult discussion. Special kudos for
> the secretariat for providing high quality professional helpthat never
> slipped, which letour work go on sosmoothly.
>
> And a warm thanks and goodbye to all members.
>
> Best regards
>
> parminder
>

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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Fri Feb 16 04:54:03 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Akinremi Peter Taiwo (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:54:03 +0100
Subject: [governance] CS Organizations attending ICANN61
In-Reply-To: <3D5DEA0D-3C67-4BF1-A5B2-D1D7DD3E96DF@gmail.com>
References: <3D5DEA0D-3C67-4BF1-A5B2-D1D7DD3E96DF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGK4d08n4rYdH3cN8Svu47QHisvO3dvoaz4=MDwRiE2zoqO49Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Arsene,

   What is the update about the NCUC policy course during ICANN61 public
meeting?

Regards.
Peter

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 8:00 AM, Arsène Tungali <governance at lists.riseup.net
> wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> If you plan to attend then upcoming ICANN61 public meeting, please do
> check the invitation bellow and confirm your attendance to Renata (see
> bellow).
>
> Thanks,
> Arsene
>
> -----------------
> Arsène Tungali,
> about.me/ArseneTungali
> +243 993810967
> GPG: 523644A0
> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>
> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> *Date:* February 16, 2018 at 12:54:37 AM GMT+2
> *To:* Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* *IGC*
>
> Hi
> Can you please send our invite to IGC?
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bfwAi7BgTkWSP8yX820kfUXHsSopv
> lcyzwhy1RaJnpE/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
> ---
> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
>
>


-- 
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[ West Africa Coordinator ]
African Civil Society on Information Society (*ACSIS*)
*Website: *www.acsis-scasi.org

*Chief E*xecutive Consultant.
[ Compsoftnet Enterprise ]
www.compsoftnet.com.ng
Nigeria

*T*echnical Consultant
[ RetailPoint ]
Lagos
Website: www.retailpos.com.ng

*Phone:* +2347-0638-30177, +2348-1874-76292
*twitter:* @compsoftnet
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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Fri Feb 16 11:14:58 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Bruna Martins dos Santos (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:14:58 -0200
Subject: [governance] CS Organizations attending ICANN61
In-Reply-To: <CAGK4d08n4rYdH3cN8Svu47QHisvO3dvoaz4=MDwRiE2zoqO49Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3D5DEA0D-3C67-4BF1-A5B2-D1D7DD3E96DF@gmail.com> <CAGK4d08n4rYdH3cN8Svu47QHisvO3dvoaz4=MDwRiE2zoqO49Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADAEEV1FY=z2Eox+R5xEmqoHTC-arGUMuFG5CY8qwYr6jG3y1A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Peter,

We have an open call for our Policy Course during the Porto Rico meeting,
as you can see (and apply if you want to) in the following call:




















































*Dear members,We are opening up a call for (up until) 4 members who would
like to participate onsite to the NCUC Policy Course that will take
place during ICANN61.The course main goal is to upskill our participants
already engaged in NCUC so that they can share their knowledge in the
future working collaboratively with less engaged members .It is a mandatory
for participants to stay for the whole duration of the course, including
working coffee breaks and lunches, as this is an immersive experience with
limited places available.The NCUC Policy Course does not provide financial
support for travel to Puerto Rico, so the present opportunity is directed
to NCUC members who will already be attending ICANN61.Remote or online
participation will be available for all members.Course dates and timesDay 2
(11 March, 0830 – 1500)Day 3 (12 March, 1215 – 1315): Working lunchGeneral
Participation Requirements- The candidates must submit an Expression of
Interest with a link to their ICANN Statement of Interest (SoI)- It is
desirable that the candidates have previously participated in public
comment efforts, are active members in one or more Working Groups (WG)
within ICANN and/or have contributed to general efforts, such as outreach
and NCUC events.Important notes- If you have extensive experience in
writing policy documents and participating in working groups,
this course is not for you.- Participants will be required to send a report
to be published at NCUC online within one month of coming back homeDeadline
for applications: 1 March 2018Announcement of selected applicants in
NCUC-Discuss list: 8 March 2018Send your application to chair at ncuc.org
<chair at ncuc.org> and please copy maryam.bakoshi at icann.org
<maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>P.S.: For more information about criteria,
deliberation and timelines,check the NCUC Operating
Procedures: https://www.ncuc.org/ncuc-operating-procedures/
<https://www.ncuc.org/ncuc-operating-procedures/>*

2018-02-16 7:54 GMT-02:00 Akinremi Peter Taiwo <governance at lists.riseup.net>
:

> Hi Arsene,
>
>    What is the update about the NCUC policy course during ICANN61 public
> meeting?
>
> Regards.
> Peter
>
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 8:00 AM, Arsène Tungali <
> governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> If you plan to attend then upcoming ICANN61 public meeting, please do
>> check the invitation bellow and confirm your attendance to Renata (see
>> bellow).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Arsene
>>
>> -----------------
>> Arsène Tungali,
>> about.me/ArseneTungali
>> +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
>> GPG: 523644A0
>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From:* Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>> *Date:* February 16, 2018 at 12:54:37 AM GMT+2
>> *To:* Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* *IGC*
>>
>> Hi
>> Can you please send our invite to IGC?
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bfwAi7BgTkWSP8yX820kfUXH
>> sSopvlcyzwhy1RaJnpE/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>> ---
>> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
>> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Akinremi Peter Taiwo*
> [ West Africa Coordinator ]
> African Civil Society on Information Society (*ACSIS*)
> *Website: *www.acsis-scasi.org
>
> *Chief E*xecutive Consultant.
> [ Compsoftnet Enterprise ]
> www.compsoftnet.com.ng
> Nigeria
>
> *T*echnical Consultant
> [ RetailPoint ]
> Lagos
> Website: www.retailpos.com.ng
>
> *Phone:* +2347-0638-30177, +2348-1874-76292
> *twitter:* @compsoftnet
> *Skype:* akinremi.peter
>
>
> ---
> To unsubscribe: <mailto:igc-unsubscribe at lists.riseup.net>
> List help: <https://riseup.net/lists>
>
>


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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Fri Feb 16 13:02:48 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Renata Aquino Ribeiro (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:02:48 -0300
Subject: [governance] CS Organizations attending ICANN61
In-Reply-To: <CADAEEV1FY=z2Eox+R5xEmqoHTC-arGUMuFG5CY8qwYr6jG3y1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3D5DEA0D-3C67-4BF1-A5B2-D1D7DD3E96DF@gmail.com>
 <CAGK4d08n4rYdH3cN8Svu47QHisvO3dvoaz4=MDwRiE2zoqO49Q@mail.gmail.com> <CADAEEV1FY=z2Eox+R5xEmqoHTC-arGUMuFG5CY8qwYr6jG3y1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMokdMwYjhvFtHPqHG3-x1DJQYoetmePa6s3=b8jm=JiKMeSuA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Thanks all for the interest in NCUC Policy Course.
I'll just note that this is a pilot project limited initially to NCUC
members only.

We have other projects ongoing we'll share soon to the participation
of amazing communities like IGC

Thanks



On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 1:14 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos
<governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
> Hello Peter,
>
> We have an open call for our Policy Course during the Porto Rico meeting, as
> you can see (and apply if you want to) in the following call:
>
> Dear members,
>
>
> We are opening up a call for (up until) 4 members who would like to
> participate onsite to the NCUC Policy Course that will take place during
> ICANN61.
>
>
> The course main goal is to upskill our participants already engaged in NCUC
> so that they can share their knowledge in the future working collaboratively
> with less engaged members .
>
>
> It is a mandatory for participants to stay for the whole duration of the
> course, including working coffee breaks and lunches, as this is an immersive
> experience with limited places available.
>
>
> The NCUC Policy Course does not provide financial support for travel to
> Puerto Rico, so the present opportunity is directed to NCUC members who will
> already be attending ICANN61.
>
>
> Remote or online participation will be available for all members.
>
>
> Course dates and times
>
> Day 2 (11 March, 0830 – 1500)
>
> Day 3 (12 March, 1215 – 1315): Working lunch
>
>
> General Participation Requirements
>
> - The candidates must submit an Expression of Interest with a link to their
> ICANN Statement of Interest (SoI)
>
> - It is desirable that the candidates have previously participated in public
> comment efforts, are active members in one or more Working Groups (WG)
> within ICANN and/or have contributed to general efforts, such as outreach
> and NCUC events.
>
> Important notes
>
>
> - If you have extensive experience in writing policy documents and
> participating in working groups, this course is not for you.
>
> - Participants will be required to send a report to be published at NCUC
> online within one month of coming back home
>
>
> Deadline for applications: 1 March 2018
>
>
> Announcement of selected applicants in NCUC-Discuss list: 8 March 2018
>
>
> Send your application to chair at ncuc.org and please copy
> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org
>
>
> P.S.: For more information about criteria, deliberation and timelines,
> check the NCUC Operating Procedures:
> https://www.ncuc.org/ncuc-operating-procedures/
>
>
>
> 2018-02-16 7:54 GMT-02:00 Akinremi Peter Taiwo
> <governance at lists.riseup.net>:
>>
>> Hi Arsene,
>>
>>    What is the update about the NCUC policy course during ICANN61 public
>> meeting?
>>
>> Regards.
>> Peter
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 8:00 AM, Arsène Tungali
>> <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> If you plan to attend then upcoming ICANN61 public meeting, please do
>>> check the invitation bellow and confirm your attendance to Renata (see
>>> bellow).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Arsene
>>>
>>> -----------------
>>> Arsène Tungali,
>>> about.me/ArseneTungali
>>> +243 993810967
>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>>> Date: February 16, 2018 at 12:54:37 AM GMT+2
>>> To: Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: IGC
>>>
>>> Hi
>>> Can you please send our invite to IGC?
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bfwAi7BgTkWSP8yX820kfUXHsSopvlcyzwhy1RaJnpE/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>
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>>
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From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Mon Feb 19 06:18:12 2018
From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (Wolfgang Kleinwaechter)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 12:18:12 +0100
Subject: [governance] GCSC
In-Reply-To: <473dc35d-1bf5-181d-e8c4-2de931c79774@riseup.net>
References:  <CY1PR0701MB12745B58AAFF988B6CBC5F0DA1E10@CY1PR0701MB1274.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <20180126112330.GD2152@mir> <3ede5d60-f2ea-9949-938c-5cc401fb8b43@acm.org>
 <4c1a31d5-6e98-e76a-943b-54fb904f6118@acm.org>
 <27CEA0ED6B2D454086C10E46227C5BED@LAPTOP93L8QKEK>
 <473dc35d-1bf5-181d-e8c4-2de931c79774@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <5A8AC0840200008800038B79@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de>



Hi,

here is my latest piece I wrote for the Global Commission on Stability in Cyberspace
https://cyberstability.org/research/thought-piece-towards-a-holistic-approach-for-internet-related-public-policy-making/

Any critical comments are welcome.

Wolfgang




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From ocl at gih.com  Mon Feb 19 06:47:16 2018
From: ocl at gih.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Olivier_MJ_Cr=c3=a9pin-Leblond?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:47:16 +0000
Subject: [governance] Fwd: Fwd: Reminder / With Real Time Transcription
 (RTT) / IMPORTANT WEBINAR Invitation: EURALO Webinar on General Data
 Protection Regulation (GDPR) on Monday, 19 February 2018 at 19:00 UTC
In-Reply-To: <f2107a56-1aa9-8c66-71ad-c0cd9c95ce12@gih.com>
References: <f2107a56-1aa9-8c66-71ad-c0cd9c95ce12@gih.com>
Message-ID: <fcbd163c-70eb-a907-956e-0d0915d32229@gih.com>

FYI - primarily aimed at people living in Europe, but everyone's welcome
to participate. We'll focus on practical *implementation*.
O.


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Reminder / With Real Time Transcription (RTT) / IMPORTANT
WEBINAR Invitation: EURALO Webinar on General Data Protection Regulation
(GDPR) on Monday, 19 February 2018 at 19:00 UTC
Date: 	Mon, 19 Feb 2018 05:10:51 +0000
From: 	ICANN At-Large Staff <staff at atlarge.icann.org>
To: 	ALAC Announce <alac-announce at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
CC: 	Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>, ICANN At-Large Staff
<staff at atlarge.icann.org>



*/Real Time Transcribing (RTT) will be provided on this call in English.
If you do not have the bandwidth to join the call, the live transcribing
streaming is available via this
link: /**/https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN/*

 

If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff
at staff at atlarge.icann.org
<file:///composeviewinternalloadurl/staff at atlarge.icann.org> with your
preferred number.

Please remember that it is now possible to connect your audio via the AC
room, without using your telephone. You need a stable internet
connection. If you would like a reminder of how to connect please let
staff know.

 

Dear all,

 

On behalf of the EURALO Chair, Olivier Crépin-Leblond, we would like to
invite you to join the *“EURALO GDPR Webinar”* will be held on
*Monday**, 19 February 2018 from 19:00 - 20:30 UTC.*

 

This Webinar will offer you the opportunity to increase the
understanding of practical *implementation* of GDPR both from a
Registrar, a Registry and a Registrant perspective. We are confident
that you will find this Webinar very informative as many of our EURALO
ALS  are membership organisations with various levels of databases that
include personal information of European Citizens.

 

Note that the GDPR /regulation was passed on 14 April 2016 with the
enforcement date of 25 May 2018. See: countdown clock to GDPR
enforcement at  /*https://www.eugdpr.org/*//

 


The Webinar’s panellists are :


  * Pierre Bonis - AFNIC
  * Athina Fragkouli - RIPE NCC
  * Michele Neylon - Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains
  * Thomas Rickert - eco Internet Industry Association

 

Moderator: Olivier Crépin-Leblond

 

The agenda and call details are available at: 
*https://community.icann.org/x/nhS8B*

 

Adobe Connect Room: *https://participate.icann.org/euralo/*

 

Conference ID:

English: 1638

 

Dial-in numbers:  *http://adigo.com/icann/*
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If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at:
 *staff at atlarge.icann.org*
<applewebdata://FBF56161-6C7E-4B55-92A2-F0E8FB832FD9/staff at atlarge.icann.org>

  

Please mark your calendar and join us!

 

 

Thank you.

Kind Regards,

 

 

ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
E-mail: staff at atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff at atlarge.icann.org>
Website: atlarge.icann.org <http://atlarge.icann.org/>
Facebook: facebook.com/icannatlarge <http://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge>
Twitter: @ICANNAtLarge <http://www.twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>
ignature_1710294547

 

 

Note: There have already been several Webinars within the At-Large
Community and at ICANN, including ICANN-wide Webinars as well as one
arranged by the Business Constituency. These were very interesting
indeed, although mostly focussing on the regulation itself and the more
immediate questions facing ICANN as a whole. For previous Webinars
information see below.



*_Previous Webinars:_*

 

2018 At-Large Capacity Building Webinar

24 January 2018

"Data Protection: What do you need to know as End-Users about GDPR”
<https://community.icann.org/x/wgW8B>

*Speakers: Thomas Rickert  <https://community.icann.org/x/2YTDAQ>& Chuck
Gomes <https://community.icann.org/x/mpHbAQ> *

 

Conversation on Access to WHOIS and Compliance with EU's GDPR and ICANN
Contracts held on 24 January 2018 

ICANN's Business Constituency (BC) and Intellectual Property
Constituency (IPC) co-hosted an event to discuss the EU's General Data
Protection Regulation (GDPR) and its implications on access to the WHOIS
database. ICANN's CEO and General Counsel joined the discussion, as did
stakeholders from across the ICANN community. 

 

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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Mon Feb 19 08:23:44 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne?= Tungali (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 15:23:44 +0200
Subject: [governance] Fwd: Fwd: Reminder / With Real Time Transcription
 (RTT) / IMPORTANT WEBINAR Invitation: EURALO Webinar on General Data
 Protection Regulation (GDPR) on Monday, 19 February 2018 at 19:00 UTC
In-Reply-To: <fcbd163c-70eb-a907-956e-0d0915d32229@gih.com>
References: <f2107a56-1aa9-8c66-71ad-c0cd9c95ce12@gih.com> <fcbd163c-70eb-a907-956e-0d0915d32229@gih.com>
Message-ID: <6E7442B5-AEDD-4FCB-95F3-E483881BF8E7@gmail.com>

Thank you Olivier,

I encourage those on this list who want to learn more about the GDPR to join this webinar.

Regards,
Arsene

-----------------
Arsène Tungali,
about.me/ArseneTungali
+243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo

Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)

> On Feb 19, 2018, at 1:47 PM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com> wrote:
> 
> FYI - primarily aimed at people living in Europe, but everyone's welcome to participate. We'll focus on practical *implementation*.
> O.
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:	Reminder / With Real Time Transcription (RTT) / IMPORTANT WEBINAR Invitation: EURALO Webinar on General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) on Monday, 19 February 2018 at 19:00 UTC
> Date:	Mon, 19 Feb 2018 05:10:51 +0000
> From:	ICANN At-Large Staff <staff at atlarge.icann.org>
> To:	ALAC Announce <alac-announce at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> CC:	Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff at atlarge.icann.org>
> 
> Real Time Transcribing (RTT) will be provided on this call in English. If you do not have the bandwidth to join the call, the live transcribing streaming is available via this link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
>  
> If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at staff at atlarge.icann.org with your preferred number.
> Please remember that it is now possible to connect your audio via the AC room, without using your telephone. You need a stable internet connection. If you would like a reminder of how to connect please let staff know.
>  
> Dear all,
>  
> On behalf of the EURALO Chair, Olivier Crépin-Leblond, we would like to invite you to join the “EURALO GDPR Webinar” will be held on Monday, 19 February 2018 from 19:00 - 20:30 UTC.
>  
> This Webinar will offer you the opportunity to increase the understanding of practical *implementation* of GDPR both from a Registrar, a Registry and a Registrant perspective. We are confident that you will find this Webinar very informative as many of our EURALO ALS  are membership organisations with various levels of databases that include personal information of European Citizens.
>  
> Note that the GDPR regulation was passed on 14 April 2016 with the enforcement date of 25 May 2018. See: countdown clock to GDPR enforcement at  https://www.eugdpr.org/
>  
> 
> The Webinar’s panellists are :
> 
> 
> Pierre Bonis - AFNIC
> Athina Fragkouli - RIPE NCC
> Michele Neylon - Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> Thomas Rickert - eco Internet Industry Association
>  
> Moderator: Olivier Crépin-Leblond
>  
> The agenda and call details are available at:  https://community.icann.org/x/nhS8B
>  
> Adobe Connect Room: https://participate.icann.org/euralo/
>  
> Conference ID:
> English: 1638
>  
> Dial-in numbers:  http://adigo.com/icann/
>   
> If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at:  staff at atlarge.icann.org
>   
> Please mark your calendar and join us!
>  
>  
> Thank you.
> Kind Regards,
>  
>  
> ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
> E-mail: staff at atlarge.icann.org
> Website: atlarge.icann.org 
> Facebook: facebook.com/icannatlarge
> Twitter: @ICANNAtLarge
> <image001.png>
>  
>  
> Note: There have already been several Webinars within the At-Large Community and at ICANN, including ICANN-wide Webinars as well as one arranged by the Business Constituency. These were very interesting indeed, although mostly focussing on the regulation itself and the more immediate questions facing ICANN as a whole. For previous Webinars information see below.
> 
> 
> 
> Previous Webinars:
>  
> 2018 At-Large Capacity Building Webinar
> 24 January 2018
> "Data Protection: What do you need to know as End-Users about GDPR”
> Speakers: Thomas Rickert & Chuck Gomes
>  
> Conversation on Access to WHOIS and Compliance with EU's GDPR and ICANN Contracts held on 24 January 2018 
> ICANN's Business Constituency (BC) and Intellectual Property Constituency (IPC) co-hosted an event to discuss the EU's General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and its implications on access to the WHOIS database. ICANN's CEO and General Counsel joined the discussion, as did stakeholders from across the ICANN community. 
>  
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From joly at punkcast.com  Mon Feb 19 14:41:51 2018
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 14:41:51 -0500
Subject: [governance] WEBCAST TODAY: EURALO GDPR Webinar
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk2=gc0fKYg+cVwH6bR7Mpp-bdYtSPSB4x9wJtBvs45tiw@mail.gmail.com>

 This webinar is underway, and it is recommended that you join the Adobe
Connect to participate,ask questions, chat etc, but the webcasts will be
there as a record for those that need to catch up.

It might be exaggerating to say the approaching GDPR deadline has ICANN
(amongst others) in turmoil, but a lot of people who maintain databases,
which obviously includes WHOIS operators, are going to have to rethink
their methods.



<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/netneutrality18/edit>

[image: livestream] <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/euralogdpr>Today
 *Monday February 19 2018* at *2pm ET* (19:00 UTC) the *European At-Large
Regional Organization <https://atlarge.icann.org/ralos/euralo>*(EURALO) of
ICANN will present a *Webinar <https://community.icann.org/x/nhS8B>*
on the *General
Data Protection Regulation <https://www.eugdpr.org/>* (GDPR), due to come
in force on 25 May 2018. This webinar will offer the opportunity to
increase the understanding of practical *implementation* of GDPR from a
Registrar, a Registry and a Registrant perspective. Speakers: *Pierre Bonis*
 – AFNIC: *Athina Fragkouli* – RIPE: *Michele Neylon* – Blacknight
Solutions; *Thomas Rickert* – Rickert.net. Moderator: *Olivier
Crépin-Leblond* (ISOC England). Remote participation is available via *Adobe
Connect <https://participate.icann.org/euralo/>*. *Real Time Text
<https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN>* is available. The event
will be simulcast on the *Internet Society Livestream Channel*
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/euralogdpr/s>. (with open captions)

*View on Livestream*: https://livestream.com/internetsociety/euralogdpr
*View on Facebook*:
https://www.facebook.com/isocny/videos/10156884256603538/
*View on Twitter*: https://twitter.com/isocny/status/965662357992095745
*Twitter*: #euralo + #gdpr http://bit.ly/euralogdpr

Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/9918#respond>    See all comments
<http://isoc-ny.org/p2/9918#comments>


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From willi.uebelherr at riseup.net  Mon Feb 19 21:34:03 2018
From: willi.uebelherr at riseup.net (willi uebelherr)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 23:34:03 -0300
Subject: [governance] GCSC
In-Reply-To: <5A8AC0840200008800038B79@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de>
References: <5A8AC0840200008800038B79@gwia0.itz.uni-halle.de>
Message-ID: <59d51d84-455b-c759-dddc-d22e9f0b7d12@riseup.net>


Dear Wolfgang,

many thanks for the distribution of this link. And, of course, i have 
something to say.

The first 2 sentence defined the real dilemma:
"20 years ago, Internet governance was a technical issue with some 
political implications. Today, Internet governance is a key political 
issue with some technical components."

I remember for the text:
Internet Fragmentation: An Overview
Vint Cerf, William Drake and you, Wolfgang Kleinwaechter
http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_FII_Internet_Fragmentation_An_Overview_2016.pdf

"From a technical standpoint, the original shared vision guiding the
Internet’s development was that every device on the Internet should be 
able to exchange data packets with any other device that was willing to 
receive them."

But short after, you write:
"The rebalancing of power within the Internet governance ecosystem 
pushes for innovative approaches to global Internet related public
policy making and for enhanced cooperation among governmental and 
non-governmental stakeholders as well as for a closer collaboration 
among code makers and law makers, both nationally and globally.

I think, this strategy is wrong. We have to accept the real interests. 
The people on our planet like that, what you and your friends wrote in 
"Internet Fragmentation". The private companies and sectors and the 
state institutions and sectors don't like this.

You speak about "rebalancing of power within the Internet governance 
ecosystem". It is the result of understanding of this groups, how 
important is the telecommunication in form of a Internet. Therefore, 
they start to dominate more and more this field.

And think about ISOC, Internet Society. It is a pure "directory board" 
driven organisation. And it is clear, they go in this direction, from 
where the money come. IGF (Internet Governance Forum) have more member 
participation, but not really.

"The Internet governance working definition, which was adopted by the UN 
  World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) in Tunis 2005, has 
singled out “governments, private sector and civil society“ as the main 
stakeholders. Today, the technical academic community is seen as a 
fourth key stakeholder."

I don't agree. This "technical academic community" don't exist in our 
real world. That are part in all 3 groups. And you have to change the 
priority: privat, governments and civil society. The governments work in 
order of the private groups and this group define the acitvity space for 
governments. Only the civil society can act independent. And we know, 
that the civil society only have the interest for implementing your 
basic principles in your text for the WEF.

"The WSIS definition differentiates between the “development“ and the 
“use“ of the Internet."
This is a very problematic concept and you agree with in point 2. The 
deloper are users and some users are developers.
The core question is, for what we work. The private groups for profit, 
the state groups for monitoring and control, the civil society for open 
and free telecommunication. This basic interests define the activities. 
The difference is the ability to act.

After this, many for me unimportant things follow. The next point is:

Technical issues. But we know, there we have 2 principal different 
proposals. Overloaded with many unnecessary organisations or a strong 
organisation of telecommunication. The first is based on virtual 
addresses and private actors. The second is based on selforganisation 
from the civil society based on her interest for a free and open 
telecommunication with a simple and rational technical construction.

"Option 4: A new independent process
One could also imagine that state and non-state actors agree to 
establish a new independent process towards a CSCC, aimed at the 
elaboration of a comprehensive “Final Act on Security and Cooperation in 
Cyberspace“.

Only the civil society can create a useful process for global 
cooperation. Some time ago I suggested a "World Internet Forum". The 
thematic parts for that are the transport layer and the application layer.
The transport layer realise that, what you wrote in your text for the WEF.
The application layer realise the interoperability of the data. Usually, 
we don't have so many questions for that.

with many thanks and greetings, willi
Asuncion, Paraguay



-------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
Betreff: GCSC
Datum: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 12:18:12 +0100
Von: Wolfgang Kleinwaechter <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
An: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net, willi.uebelherr at riseup.net
Kopie (CC): forum at justnetcoalition.org, governance at lists.riseup.net

Hi,

here is my latest piece I wrote for the Global Commission on Stability 
in Cyberspace

https://cyberstability.org/research/thought-piece-towards-a-holistic-approach-for-internet-related-public-policy-making/

Any critical comments are welcome.

Wolfgang






From governance at lists.riseup.net  Tue Feb 20 04:09:19 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Tomslin Samme-Nlar (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 20:09:19 +1100
Subject: [governance] Fwd: Fwd: Reminder / With Real Time Transcription
 (RTT) / IMPORTANT WEBINAR Invitation: EURALO Webinar on General Data
 Protection Regulation (GDPR) on Monday, 19 February 2018 at 19:00 UTC
In-Reply-To: <6E7442B5-AEDD-4FCB-95F3-E483881BF8E7@gmail.com>
References: <f2107a56-1aa9-8c66-71ad-c0cd9c95ce12@gih.com> <fcbd163c-70eb-a907-956e-0d0915d32229@gih.com>
 <6E7442B5-AEDD-4FCB-95F3-E483881BF8E7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeW1YaJy_1Cp2HNPiK8GcEx=jioWKCnrzCjDO7QFZ-8Mtg@mail.gmail.com>

It was a very informative webinar. Thanks for sharing


----
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My Fingerprint: 4D72 D735 DE42 D9FA 2453 8784 3C05 E338 5BBB 1D5C


On 20 February 2018 at 00:23, Arsène Tungali <governance at lists.riseup.net>
wrote:

> Thank you Olivier,
>
> I encourage those on this list who want to learn more about the GDPR to
> join this webinar.
>
> Regards,
> Arsene
>
> -----------------
> Arsène Tungali,
> about.me/ArseneTungali
> +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
> GPG: 523644A0
> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>
> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>
> On Feb 19, 2018, at 1:47 PM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
> wrote:
>
> FYI - primarily aimed at people living in Europe, but everyone's welcome
> to participate. We'll focus on practical *implementation*.
> O.
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Reminder / With Real Time Transcription (RTT) / IMPORTANT
> WEBINAR Invitation: EURALO Webinar on General Data Protection Regulation
> (GDPR) on Monday, 19 February 2018 at 19:00 UTC
> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 05:10:51 +0000
> From: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff at atlarge.icann.org>
> <staff at atlarge.icann.org>
> To: ALAC Announce <alac-announce at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> <alac-announce at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> CC: Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com> <ocl at gih.com>, ICANN At-Large
> Staff <staff at atlarge.icann.org> <staff at atlarge.icann.org>
>
> *Real Time Transcribing (RTT) will be provided on this call in English. If
> you do not have the bandwidth to join the call, the live transcribing
> streaming is available via this link: **https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
> <https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN>*
>
>
>
> If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at
> staff at atlarge.icann.org with your preferred number.
>
> Please remember that it is now possible to connect your audio via the AC
> room, without using your telephone. You need a stable internet connection.
> If you would like a reminder of how to connect please let staff know.
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> On behalf of the EURALO Chair, Olivier Crépin-Leblond, we would like to
> invite you to join the *“EURALO GDPR Webinar”* will be held on *Monday**,
> 19 February 2018 from 19:00 - 20:30 UTC.*
>
>
>
> This Webinar will offer you the opportunity to increase the
> understanding of practical *implementation* of GDPR both from a Registrar,
> a Registry and a Registrant perspective. We are confident that you will
> find this Webinar very informative as many of our EURALO ALS  are
> membership organisations with various levels of databases that include
> personal information of European Citizens.
>
>
>
> Note that the GDPR *regulation was passed on 14 April 2016 with the
> enforcement date of 25 May 2018. See: countdown clock to GDPR enforcement
> at  **https://www.eugdpr.org/ <https://www.eugdpr.org/>*
>
>
>
>
> The Webinar’s panellists are :
>
>
>
>    - Pierre Bonis - AFNIC
>    - Athina Fragkouli - RIPE NCC
>    - Michele Neylon - Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>    - Thomas Rickert - eco Internet Industry Association
>
>
>
> Moderator: Olivier Crépin-Leblond
>
>
>
> The agenda and call details are available at:  *https://community.icann.org/x/nhS8B
> <https://community.icann.org/x/nhS8B>*
>
>
>
> Adobe Connect Room: *https://participate.icann.org/euralo/*
> <https://participate.icann.org/euralo/>
>
>
>
> Conference ID:
>
> English: 1638
>
>
>
> Dial-in numbers:  *http://adigo.com/icann/*
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__adigo.com_icann_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=ds9md1zoepmwqw2nfk-Vs9ssxn1I3jPs97ekKkctEkM&m=osjV47HBG-wlc15NGNZ3tR-djuEGOfxHC5XAPlH44zw&s=4x37SH50IQJXXhBf5vX8Rkoi3TlP-QD-PMa2Whc-45A&e=>
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>
>
> If you require a dial-out please contact At-Large staff at:
> *staff at atlarge.icann.org*
>
>
>
> Please mark your calendar and join us!
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
>
>
> ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community
> E-mail: staff at atlarge.icann.org
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>
>
>
>
> Note: There have already been several Webinars within the At-Large
> Community and at ICANN, including ICANN-wide Webinars as well as one
> arranged by the Business Constituency. These were very interesting indeed,
> although mostly focussing on the regulation itself and the more immediate
> questions facing ICANN as a whole. For previous Webinars information see
> below.
>
>
>
> *Previous Webinars:*
>
>
>
> 2018 At-Large Capacity Building Webinar
>
> 24 January 2018
>
> "Data Protection: What do you need to know as End-Users about GDPR”
> <https://community.icann.org/x/wgW8B>
>
> *Speakers: Thomas Rickert  <https://community.icann.org/x/2YTDAQ>& Chuck
> Gomes <https://community.icann.org/x/mpHbAQ> *
>
>
>
> Conversation on Access to WHOIS and Compliance with EU's GDPR and ICANN
> Contracts held on 24 January 2018
>
> ICANN's Business Constituency (BC) and Intellectual Property Constituency
> (IPC) co-hosted an event to discuss the EU's General Data Protection
> Regulation (GDPR) and its implications on access to the WHOIS database.
> ICANN's CEO and General Counsel joined the discussion, as did stakeholders
> from across the ICANN community.
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From joly at punkcast.com  Thu Feb 22 12:04:02 2018
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 12:04:02 -0500
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?WEBCAST_TODAY=3A_Internet_Society_Webinar_?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=93_GDPR=3A_Novelties=2C_Challenges_and_Opportunities?=
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk1x0S0_Yy5OMxmKvgir6m=1kq01ViRu=H+OJJM6JvB1cg@mail.gmail.com>

 This is a webcast of the webinar that took place earlier today, with added
real time text captioning. Please be tolerant if our captioner may  at times
 struggle with the accents! Unlike the EURALO effort on Monday
<http://isoc-ny.org/p2/9918> which focused on practical implementation, today's
Internet Society's Europe Bureau discussion took a wider view of the new
law's novelties, challenges and opportunities..


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[image: Livestream]
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/isocgdpr>Today, *Thursday
February 22 2018* at *1pm ET* (18:00 UTC) the *Internet Society Livestream
Channe*l <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/isocgdpr/> presents a
webcast of *Internet Society Webinar: GDPR: Novelties, Challenges and
Opportunities <https://www.internetsociety.org/events/gdpr-webinar/>* earlier
today. The EU *General Data Protection Regulation* <https://www.eugdpr.org/>
 (GDPR) which is going to enter into force on *25 May 2018* will bring
fundamental changes to the Privacy and Data Protection scene on a global
level. GDPR aims to harmonize data privacy laws across Europe, to protect
and empower data privacy of EU citizens and to reshape the way
organizations across the region approach data privacy. The expected global
impact of GDPR has triggered a worldwide discussion and many organizations
both within and outside the EU are currently busy getting ready for 25 May,
to make sure they are in compliance with the GDPR, while there is still an
ongoing debate on many provisions. This Internet Society webinar provided
our community with a better understanding of the big picture when it comes
to GDPR, its global impact, novelties, challenges and opportunities.
Speakers: *Bojana Bellamy*, President, Centre for Information Policy
Leadership; *Prof. Joe Cannataci*, UN Special Rapporteur on the right to
privacy; *Oli*
*​​*
*vier Iteanu*, Founder and Managing Partner, Iteanu Avocats; *Nevena Ruzic*,
Assistant Secretary General at Information Commissioner Serbia.
Moderator: *Ceren
Unal*, Internet Society European Regional Bureau. The webcast will also be
available on *Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/>* and
will have
​​
*open captioning* <https://www.streamtext.net/text.aspx?event=CFI-ISOC>.




*View on Livestream: https://livestream.com/internetsociety/isocgdpr/
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/isocgdpr/>View on
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/
<https://www.facebook.com/InternetSociety/>Real Time
Text: https://www.streamtext.net/text.aspx?event=CFI-ISOC
<https://www.streamtext.net/text.aspx?event=CFI-ISOC>Twitter:
@InternetSociety + #GDPR http://bit.ly/isocgdpr <http://bit.ly/isocgdpr>*

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From daveb at dslprime.com  Thu Feb  1 16:15:50 2018
From: daveb at dslprime.com (Dave Burstein)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 16:15:50 -0500
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] UN Working Group considering mechanisms
 for global governance of Internet fails
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Parminder

Thanks for this. As usual, there was minimal press reporting.

I don't have the details of the "civil society" position on this. My point
of view I believe well-informed but please speak up if you think I have it
wrong.

Parminder and others, I'd welcome hearing about anything from Civil Society
that differs from the U.S. position of preventing the ITU or any group with
a strong government component from doing anything of substance.

(The euphemism is "only high order principles.) I'm sure folks like Vint
Cerf support "multistakeholder" and "consensus" for honorable fear of
governments. Knowing Parminder's work, I expect he's in that camp, also for
honorable reasons.

The key governments with that point of view are playing realpolitik,
wanting to make sure that nothing hinders what the U.S. is doing around the
world.

For those new to this discussion, "enhanced cooperation" was put into the
WSIS as a concession to governments who thought they should have an active
role. It deferred the discussion so a consensus document could be put out.

Since then, the U.S. and allies have fought hard to block anything of the
sort. It's part of the U.S. effort to keep China and Russia far away from
any Internet issues, especially security. (I'm on a State Department
Committee and have senior sources.) Please note: I'm saying this about the
*government* position. I am not implying that the Parminder of NGOs have
similar motivation.

The U.S. "walked out" of the WCIT over this and in 2017 continued to block
anything substantive at the ITU.

Demanding "multistakeholder consensus" sounds noble but means that any
major government has a de facto veto over any action. The U.S. has used
this to block efforts to ensure reasonable royalties, reduce cartel-like
pricing for backhaul/transit, and expect the multinationals to pay taxes.

Which I'm told are the most important *international* issues keeping the
cost of access high.

Dave

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 9:48 AM, parminder <parminder.js at gmail.com> wrote:

> The UN General Assembly mandated Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation (on
> international Internet related public policies) which was tasked to develop
> institutional means for appropriate governance of the global Internet
> folded up yesterday after 4 years of work ( 2 years each of two versions)
> without making any recommendation. I wrote the following email to the group
> that lays out how I see the group's work, especially its failure to come up
> with any recommendation...
>
> parminder
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: thanks, goodbye, and a few reflections on WGEC
> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 19:22:35 +0530
> From: parminder <parminder.js at gmail.com> <parminder.js at gmail.com>
> To: CSTD-WGEC at unctad.org <CSTD-WGEC at unctad.org> <CSTD-WGEC at unctad.org>,
> stdev <stdev at unctad.org> <stdev at unctad.org>
>
> Dear All
>
> As the two years of WGEC end (4 for me, continuing from the last WGEC),
> one departs with a lot of learning, growth and good memoires. Thank you all
> for being a part of it. I wish to say farewell to all, till we meet again!
>
> On the work side: after a night’s sleep over it, this is what I feel about
> the WGEC’s work.
>
> There were promising exciting moments in the last hours. If these could
> have come earlier it might just have been possible for us to have made some
> progress. But then, unfortunately, they did not. In the end, my summative
> assessment is as follows. It would have been nice to have had a report, but
> it is more truthful that there isnt one. That is the true reflection of the
> state of affairs. And while we have responsibilities to ourselves and to
> the group of nice-ness and collegiality, there is a much higher
> responsibility of telling the undiluted truth to the global public.
>
> And the truth is that on the matter of how public governance of the global
> Internet and the digital phenomenon should be undertaken in the UN, we
> today are even more apart then we were even at the WSIS. A good proof of it
> comes from examining what was the central piece of the excitement of the
> last hours yesterday (an excitement, I admit, I shared in the room at that
> time.). At Tunis, the global community could agree that (1) the current
> mechanisms of global public governance of the Internet were inadequate ( Tunis
> Agenda, para 60), and (2) urgent further work is needed that “could
> envisage creation of a suitable framework or mechanisms…” ( para 61).
> Seventeen years after WSIS, when the Internet/ digital has transformed
> the world beyond what anyone could have imagined in Tunis, and there are unthinkably
> monumental governance needs and challenges, a weak formulation that we
> can continue to consider “the possibility of new [institutional
> approaches]” was offered as the “big” (and the only) carrot. That too
> only in the last few hours.
>
> And then is was quickly withdrawn, seemingly in exchange of putting, in a
> portion of the report that mentioned “the key issues discussed” (and of
> course non agreed ), a para or two each of the two key divergent
> positions on the need for new institutional development. This would just
> have been a factual statement of what actually got presented and discussed,
> but not agreed. While I myself shared in the excited possibility of us
> getting some agreement somehow, it is evident that this was much less that
> what the Tunis Agenda already mentions. Although it is admittedly better
> that what has ever got into the texts since then, which was why some of
> us were ready to take it, until the offer got withdrawn. This is where
> the negotiations collapsed, as the time was in any case not on our side.
>
> A “no report” therefore conveys the fact of the matter more truthfully to
> our constituents that a report that, apologies the for dismissive tone,
> but, honestly, largely said things to the effect that “people in the world
> should be more honest and friendly”. Would such a report have represented
> progress? Not in my view. It would more likely have been a smoke screen
> of seeming progress on the subject, for some unnecessary months or years, which
> would have only retarded urgent consideration of this most important
> global public policy imperative, which is required right now. We are
> already late in fact.
>
> So rather than rue that we could not agree to some weak and largely
> meaningless report regarding how global public governance of the Internet
> (and the digital phenomenon) should be done, let us be satisfied that we put
> in our best efforts to converge, and then honestly we let the world know
> that there does not yet exist the political will to develop appropriate
> global mechanisms of public governance of the Internet. Even in tragedy, honestly
> serves better that superfluous make-believes that could elevate one’s
> spirits temporarily. The public interest is served best by stating the
> actual fact, and we did that by the act of “no report”.
>
> I much thank Amb Benedicto for his exceptionally patient, inclusive and
> capable handling of a very difficult discussion. Special kudos for the
> secretariat for providing high quality professional help that never
> slipped, which let our work go on so smoothly.
>
> And a warm thanks and goodbye to all members.
>
> Best regards
>
> parminder
>
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From joly at punkcast.com  Mon Feb 26 05:54:10 2018
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 05:54:10 -0500
Subject: [governance] WEBCAST MON pm + WED am: Global Internet and
 Jurisdiction Conference in Ottawa, Canada
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk033BNGW+j4xhEs4wRfw-SQUiFE-J+R4regWkbNT3uJgw@mail.gmail.com>

 This GIJT conference is just one step in a multiyear *transnational
multistakeholder process
<https://www.internetjurisdiction.net/news/towards-solutions-the-methodology-of-the-internet-jurisdiction-policy-network-until-2019>.*
Vint wrote a very concise advance framing of the issues for the Financial
Times last week -  *Rebuild internet governance before it is too late
<https://www.ft.com/content/e1e6d1e0-156c-11e8-9c33-02f893d608c2> *(I bet
some sub, not Vint, made up that headline!). Just yesterday the Washington
Post announced that the Microsoft Ireland digital privacy case *will go to
the supreme court*
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/supreme-court-case-centers-on-law-enforcement-access-to-data-held-overseas/2018/02/25/756f7ce8-1a2f-11e8-b2d9-08e748f892c0_story.html>
(let
us note the case originated in the Southern District of New York!). And
then, the *GDPR*
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation> looms.
The webcast is just Monday afternoon and Wednesday morning.



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[image: YouTube] <https://www.youtube.com/user/InternetJurisdiction/live>This
week, *Monday-Wednesday February 26-28 2018*, the *Internet & Jurisdiction
Policy Network <https://www.internetjurisdiction.net/>* and the *Government
of Canada <https://www.canada.ca/>* host the 2nd *Global Internet and
Jurisdiction Conference <https://conference.internetjurisdiction.net/>* in
Ottawa, Canada. Representatives from a wide range of stakeholder groups
will address one of the great global governance challenges of today: how to
manage the coexistence of national laws on the internet and, at the same
time, work toward the development of policy standards and operational
solutions to fight abuses, protect human rights, and enable the global
digital economy. Speakers: *Kathy Brown*, President & CEO, Internet Society,
 *Vint Cerf*, Co-Founder, Internet Society, *Nii Quaynor*, Internet Hall of
Fame, *Rebecca MacKinnon*, Director of Ranking Digital Rights, New America
Foundation, *Anriette Esterhuysen*, Director of Policy and Strategy,
Association for Progressive Communications; *Joseph Cannataci*, UN Special
Rapporteur on the Right to Privacy, plus senior representatives of many
countries and corporations. Plenary sessions will be webcast live via *YouTube
<https://www.youtube.com/user/InternetJurisdiction/live>*. Ottawa is on
EST, same as NYC (UTC-5).






*What: Global Internet and Jurisdiction Conference
<https://conference.internetjurisdiction.net/>Where: Ottawa, CanadaWhen:
Monday-Wednesday February 26-28
2018Program: https://conference.internetjurisdiction.net/program/
<https://conference.internetjurisdiction.net/program/>Webcast:
https://www.youtube.com/user/InternetJurisdiction/live
<https://www.youtube.com/user/InternetJurisdiction/live> (Mon pm + Wed am)
(No captions)Twitter: #OttawaGIJC http://bit.ly/ottawaGIJC
<http://bit.ly/ottawaGIJC>*

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From joly at punkcast.com  Mon Feb 26 08:01:02 2018
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:01:02 -0500
Subject: [governance] WEBCAST TODAY: Artificial Intelligence: Implications
 for Governance and Public Policy
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk3wfufS1xcgEfH9w1sh3f+3UA8Cyoeb03ujNi2pDTVMBQ@mail.gmail.com>

 I can't think of another time in NYC that we have heard the BRICS
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS> point of view on policy issues aired,
especially those on the cutting edge, thus this session was a blockbuster.
Ably chaired and keynoted by Robin J. Lewis of the Russian Presidential
Academy of National Economy and Public Administration, the Brazilian
perspective was presented by Ronaldo Lemos of the Institute for Technology
& Society of Rio de Janeiro, one of the movers behind the Marco Civil
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Civil_Rights_Framework_for_the_Internet>,
China was represented by Professor Liangang Sun of Peking University, an
out and out visionary artist, who nevertheless forcefully asserted, via a
translator, that science via AI + blockchain would assuredly absolutely
empower the common people. They would dispose of much if not all of
government's traditional (and corrupt) functions. When one audience member
enquired if he could say the same thing if our session were in Peking not
NYC, he said yes, of course, but joked everybody who attended would
immediately be arrested! This is a 2 hour session.


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[image: Livestream] <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/ai>Today, *Monday
February 26 2018* at *10am EST* (15:00 UTC) the* Internet Society
Livestream Channel <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/ai>* will webcast
 *Artificial Intelligence:Implications for Governance and Public Policy
<https://www.eventbrite.com/e/artificial-intelligenceimplications-for-governance-and-public-policy-tickets-42698818315#>*
 – a panel last Friday at the *School of International and Public Affairs
<https://sipa.columbia.edu/>* (SIPA), Columbia University. Artificial
Intelligence (AI) and its associated technologies offer enormous promise
for future economic and social development, but also raise thorny ethical
and public policy issues that are not easily resolved. Experts from the US,
China, and Brazil provided varying perspectives on this very timely topic.

Speakers:

*Robin J. Lewis*, Co-Chair, Worldview Global Culture Alliance and former
Associate Dean, SIPA;
*​​*
*Ronaldo Lemos*, Visiting Professor, SIPA;

*​​Liangang Sun*, Professor, Peking University; Artificial Intelligence
Innovation Strategist.

Co-sponsors: *Columbia University BRIC Lab
<http://cgeg.sipa.columbia.edu/briclab>, Center on Global Economic
Governance* and *Worldview Global Culture Alliance*
<https://www.worldviewglobal.com/> (WGCA).

*View on Livestream*: https://livestream.com/internetsociety/ai (no
captions)


*Facebook event*: https://www.facebook.com/events/399669357127287/


*Twitter*: @ColumbiaCGEG + #AI http://bit.ly/CGEGAI

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 <232A2BDA-62FB-45F5-9725-682BDD67B926@bytesforall.pk> <CAMz5XN5q9gC4wnwSjJuYkL7iAmigdhaQV7+gFiaY0BeoCUicUA@mail.gmail.com>
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Oops - wrong address.
Deirdre

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
Date: 26 February 2018 at 10:30
Subject: Fwd: [bestbits] SUCCESS! Fwd: Mobile Network Shutdowns declared
Illegal
To: igc at lists.riseup.net, IRP <Irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org>,
JNC Forum <forum at justnetcoalition.org>


For your information.
Deirdre

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: shahzad ahmad <shahzad at bytesforall.pk>
Date: 26 February 2018 at 03:10
Subject: [bestbits] SUCCESS! Fwd: Mobile Network Shutdowns declared Illegal
To: Keep It <keepiton at lists.riseup.net>, BestBitsList <
bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>, Zak Rogoff <zak at accessnow.org>, "Peter Micek
(via Google Docs)" <peter at accessnow.org>, "Brett Solomon, Access Now" <
brett at accessnow.org>, Melody Patry <melody at accessnow.org>
Cc: Umer Gilani <umer.gilani at gmail.com>, Haroon Baloch <
haroon at bytesforall.pk>, Lucy Purdon <purdonlucy at gmail.com>,
lucyp at privacyinternational.org, Ben Wagner <ben at benwagner.org>, Ben Wagner <
bwagner at europa-uni.de>, Marvi Sirmed <marvi at marvisirmed.com>, Salil
Tripathi <salil.tripathi at gmail.com>


Dear Colleagues,

This is the most wonderful news in days and a great victory for the digital
rights movement.

Yet again, it proves that how Research can bring wonderful policy changes
that we all are striving for.

Umer cced is a young brilliant lawyer based in Islamabad and he took this
initiative at his own based on the following published research.

https://www.bytesforall.pk/publication/network-shutdowns-pakistan

We are extremely thankful for all the great work by Umer and his team for
taking this up in the court.

Thanks are also due to Dr. Lucy Purdon and Dr. Ben Wagner for their amazing
timely work and helping us conduct this research in Pakistan. Also copying
Salil Bhai at IHRB, who was great help and support as always.

We look forward to your advice on how to take this forward.

Best wishes and regards

Shahzad




-- 
Shahzad Ahmad
Country Director, Bytes for All, Pakistan
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BytesForAllPakistan
Twitter: @bytesforall | @sirkup
Office Landline: +92 51 8437981 <+92%2051%208437981> | Cell: +92 333 5236060
<+92%20333%205236060>

Begin forwarded message:

*From: *Umer Gilani
*Subject: **Mobile Network Shutdowns declared Illegal*
*Date: *February 26, 2018 at 10:37:29 AM GMT+5
*To: *shahzad ahmad <shahzad at bytesforall.pk>
*Cc: *Haroon Baloch <haroon at bytesforall.pk>, tehmina <tehmina at bytesforall.pk
>

Dear Shahzad *sahib*

Just an hour ago, the Islamabad High Court has allowed the petitions filed
by public interest petitioner against mobile network shutdowns. The
shutdowns have been declared as illegal being contrary to the provisions of
Section 54 of the PTA Act which states that the government can exercise
this drastic power only when a Proclamation of Emergency has been issued -
which has happened only a couple of times in our history. In all other
circumstance, the shutdowns are illegal.

The ruling, being against PTA and Federal Government, would be applicable
all over Pakistan.

While we expect an appeal, this is nonetheless a great victory for digital
rights in the context of present day Pakistan.

We have applied for a copy of the detailed judgment. Once we have the
detailed judgment, it would be helpful to arrange a round-table of the sort
we discussed when we last met.

Regards,

Umer Gilani, *LLM (Washington), **BA-LLB (LUMS)*

Partner
The Law and Policy Chambers
Office No. F-24, Afzal Center,
Opp. Islamabad High Court, G-10/1


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From shahzad at bytesforall.pk  Mon Feb 26 09:39:22 2018
From: shahzad at bytesforall.pk (shahzad ahmad)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:39:22 +0500
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [bestbits] SUCCESS! Fwd: Mobile Network
 Shutdowns declared Illegal
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References: <CAEA_dTu3wiNJHQiX7DH-HsQDFJBaSLKEcqrVX+9J--JtJO-SdQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <232A2BDA-62FB-45F5-9725-682BDD67B926@bytesforall.pk>
 <CAMz5XN5q9gC4wnwSjJuYkL7iAmigdhaQV7+gFiaY0BeoCUicUA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1D9F1A45-1547-4E05-B248-5C164C69B60E@bytesforall.pk>

Thanks Deirdre for posting here and sharing with all.

The detailed judgement and link to the published research is accessible here:

https://www.bytesforall.pk/post/verdict-islamabad-high-court-declares-network-disconnections-illegal <https://www.bytesforall.pk/post/verdict-islamabad-high-court-declares-network-disconnections-illegal>

Best wishes and regards

Shahzad




On Feb 26, 2018, at 7:33 PM, Deirdre Williams (via governance Mailing List) <governance at lists.riseup.net> wrote:

Oops - wrong address.
Deirdre

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com <mailto:williams.deirdre at gmail.com>>
Date: 26 February 2018 at 10:30
Subject: Fwd: [bestbits] SUCCESS! Fwd: Mobile Network Shutdowns declared Illegal
To: igc at lists.riseup.net <mailto:igc at lists.riseup.net>, IRP <Irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org <mailto:Irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org>>, JNC Forum <forum at justnetcoalition.org <mailto:forum at justnetcoalition.org>>


For your information.
Deirdre

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: shahzad ahmad <shahzad at bytesforall.pk <mailto:shahzad at bytesforall.pk>>
Date: 26 February 2018 at 03:10
Subject: [bestbits] SUCCESS! Fwd: Mobile Network Shutdowns declared Illegal
To: Keep It <keepiton at lists.riseup.net <mailto:keepiton at lists.riseup.net>>, BestBitsList <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>>, Zak Rogoff <zak at accessnow.org <mailto:zak at accessnow.org>>, "Peter Micek (via Google Docs)" <peter at accessnow.org <mailto:peter at accessnow.org>>, "Brett Solomon, Access Now" <brett at accessnow.org <mailto:brett at accessnow.org>>, Melody Patry <melody at accessnow.org <mailto:melody at accessnow.org>>
Cc: Umer Gilani <umer.gilani at gmail.com <mailto:umer.gilani at gmail.com>>, Haroon Baloch <haroon at bytesforall.pk <mailto:haroon at bytesforall.pk>>, Lucy Purdon <purdonlucy at gmail.com <mailto:purdonlucy at gmail.com>>, lucyp at privacyinternational.org <mailto:lucyp at privacyinternational.org>, Ben Wagner <ben at benwagner.org <mailto:ben at benwagner.org>>, Ben Wagner <bwagner at europa-uni.de <mailto:bwagner at europa-uni.de>>, Marvi Sirmed <marvi at marvisirmed.com <mailto:marvi at marvisirmed.com>>, Salil Tripathi <salil.tripathi at gmail.com <mailto:salil.tripathi at gmail.com>>


Dear Colleagues,

This is the most wonderful news in days and a great victory for the digital rights movement.

Yet again, it proves that how Research can bring wonderful policy changes that we all are striving for.

Umer cced is a young brilliant lawyer based in Islamabad and he took this initiative at his own based on the following published research.

https://www.bytesforall.pk/publication/network-shutdowns-pakistan <https://www.bytesforall.pk/publication/network-shutdowns-pakistan>

We are extremely thankful for all the great work by Umer and his team for taking this up in the court.

Thanks are also due to Dr. Lucy Purdon and Dr. Ben Wagner for their amazing timely work and helping us conduct this research in Pakistan. Also copying Salil Bhai at IHRB, who was great help and support as always.

We look forward to your advice on how to take this forward.

Best wishes and regards

Shahzad




--
Shahzad Ahmad
Country Director, Bytes for All, Pakistan
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BytesForAllPakistan <https://www.facebook.com/BytesForAllPakistan>
Twitter: @bytesforall | @sirkup
Office Landline: +92 51 8437981 <tel:+92%2051%208437981> | Cell: +92 333 5236060 <tel:+92%20333%205236060>

Begin forwarded message:

From: Umer Gilani
Subject: Mobile Network Shutdowns declared Illegal
Date: February 26, 2018 at 10:37:29 AM GMT+5
To: shahzad ahmad <shahzad at bytesforall.pk <mailto:shahzad at bytesforall.pk>>
Cc: Haroon Baloch <haroon at bytesforall.pk <mailto:haroon at bytesforall.pk>>, tehmina <tehmina at bytesforall.pk <mailto:tehmina at bytesforall.pk>>

Dear Shahzad sahib

Just an hour ago, the Islamabad High Court has allowed the petitions filed by public interest petitioner against mobile network shutdowns. The shutdowns have been declared as illegal being contrary to the provisions of Section 54 of the PTA Act which states that the government can exercise this drastic power only when a Proclamation of Emergency has been issued - which has happened only a couple of times in our history. In all other circumstance, the shutdowns are illegal.

The ruling, being against PTA and Federal Government, would be applicable all over Pakistan.

While we expect an appeal, this is nonetheless a great victory for digital rights in the context of present day Pakistan.

We have applied for a copy of the detailed judgment. Once we have the detailed judgment, it would be helpful to arrange a round-table of the sort we discussed when we last met.

Regards,
Umer Gilani, LLM (Washington), BA-LLB (LUMS)

Partner
The Law and Policy Chambers
Office No. F-24, Afzal Center,
Opp. Islamabad High Court, G-10/1



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From governance at lists.riseup.net  Tue Feb 27 02:01:38 2018
From: governance at lists.riseup.net (Akinremi Peter Taiwo (via governance Mailing List))
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 08:01:38 +0100
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [bestbits] SUCCESS! Fwd: Mobile Network
 Shutdowns declared Illegal
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Thanks Deirdre for sharing. This is a must read and excellent one.

Regards.

On Feb 26, 2018 3:34 PM, "Deirdre Williams" <governance at lists.riseup.net>
wrote:

Oops - wrong address.
Deirdre

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
Date: 26 February 2018 at 10:30
Subject: Fwd: [bestbits] SUCCESS! Fwd: Mobile Network Shutdowns declared
Illegal
To: igc at lists.riseup.net, IRP <Irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org>,
JNC Forum <forum at justnetcoalition.org>


For your information.
Deirdre

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: shahzad ahmad <shahzad at bytesforall.pk>
Date: 26 February 2018 at 03:10
Subject: [bestbits] SUCCESS! Fwd: Mobile Network Shutdowns declared Illegal
To: Keep It <keepiton at lists.riseup.net>, BestBitsList <
bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>, Zak Rogoff <zak at accessnow.org>, "Peter Micek
(via Google Docs)" <peter at accessnow.org>, "Brett Solomon, Access Now" <
brett at accessnow.org>, Melody Patry <melody at accessnow.org>
Cc: Umer Gilani <umer.gilani at gmail.com>, Haroon Baloch <
haroon at bytesforall.pk>, Lucy Purdon <purdonlucy at gmail.com>,
lucyp at privacyinternational.org, Ben Wagner <ben at benwagner.org>, Ben Wagner <
bwagner at europa-uni.de>, Marvi Sirmed <marvi at marvisirmed.com>, Salil
Tripathi <salil.tripathi at gmail.com>


Dear Colleagues,

This is the most wonderful news in days and a great victory for the digital
rights movement.

Yet again, it proves that how Research can bring wonderful policy changes
that we all are striving for.

Umer cced is a young brilliant lawyer based in Islamabad and he took this
initiative at his own based on the following published research.

https://www.bytesforall.pk/publication/network-shutdowns-pakistan

We are extremely thankful for all the great work by Umer and his team for
taking this up in the court.

Thanks are also due to Dr. Lucy Purdon and Dr. Ben Wagner for their amazing
timely work and helping us conduct this research in Pakistan. Also copying
Salil Bhai at IHRB, who was great help and support as always.

We look forward to your advice on how to take this forward.

Best wishes and regards

Shahzad




-- 
Shahzad Ahmad
Country Director, Bytes for All, Pakistan
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BytesForAllPakistan
Twitter: @bytesforall | @sirkup
Office Landline: +92 51 8437981 <+92%2051%208437981> | Cell: +92 333 5236060
<+92%20333%205236060>

Begin forwarded message:

*From: *Umer Gilani
*Subject: **Mobile Network Shutdowns declared Illegal*
*Date: *February 26, 2018 at 10:37:29 AM GMT+5
*To: *shahzad ahmad <shahzad at bytesforall.pk>
*Cc: *Haroon Baloch <haroon at bytesforall.pk>, tehmina <tehmina at bytesforall.pk
>

Dear Shahzad *sahib*

Just an hour ago, the Islamabad High Court has allowed the petitions filed
by public interest petitioner against mobile network shutdowns. The
shutdowns have been declared as illegal being contrary to the provisions of
Section 54 of the PTA Act which states that the government can exercise
this drastic power only when a Proclamation of Emergency has been issued -
which has happened only a couple of times in our history. In all other
circumstance, the shutdowns are illegal.

The ruling, being against PTA and Federal Government, would be applicable
all over Pakistan.

While we expect an appeal, this is nonetheless a great victory for digital
rights in the context of present day Pakistan.

We have applied for a copy of the detailed judgment. Once we have the
detailed judgment, it would be helpful to arrange a round-table of the sort
we discussed when we last met.

Regards,

Umer Gilani, *LLM (Washington), **BA-LLB (LUMS)*

Partner
The Law and Policy Chambers
Office No. F-24, Afzal Center,
Opp. Islamabad High Court, G-10/1


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From suresh at hserus.net  Thu Feb  1 18:37:32 2018
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 23:37:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] UN Working Group considering mechanisms
 for global governance of Internet fails
In-Reply-To: <CAAUuzMRGXY9Yw_EmxKHf6JcRDVMU2rc5GoD9M_CEWG13Evs2vw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <241dd309-66ea-49f3-054f-aaed94536dab@gmail.com>
 <76282711-caa3-7846-ee88-f4cf0985e714@gmail.com>
 <CAAUuzMRGXY9Yw_EmxKHf6JcRDVMU2rc5GoD9M_CEWG13Evs2vw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A9A246E37DC1B58E.4DCAF000-8F05-49EB-AA85-9B081D15BF2D@mail.outlook.com>


	
		
		
	
		I’m getting a strong Marc Anthony’s funeral oration vibe here when I read your email :)
		
		
But how would moving all this mess to the UN make it multistakeholder?  You’d just see a more government centric model, with most stakeholders kept away from policy making.
Maybe some favoured civil society would get in based on how close they are to their individual governments but that’s about it.
And as for industry the traditional telecom players would have a disproportionate presence compared to most anyone else.
There is a lot to carp and criticise over the existing model, but exchanging it for the UN would be that old Aesop fable of the fish getting king stork instead of king log.

		
	_____________________________
From: Dave Burstein <daveb at dslprime.com>
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] UN Working Group considering mechanisms for global governance of Internet fails
To: parminder <parminder.js at gmail.com>
Cc:  <governance at lists.riseup.net>, BestBitsList <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>, Forum at Justnetcoalition. Org <forum at justnetcoalition.org>

(The euphemism is "only high order principles.) I'm sure folks like Vint Cerf support "multistakeholder" and "consensus" for honorable fear of governments. Knowing Parminder's work, I expect he's in that camp, also for honorable reasons. 



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From daveb at dslprime.com  Thu Feb  1 18:51:27 2018
From: daveb at dslprime.com (Dave Burstein)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 18:51:27 -0500
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] UN Working Group considering mechanisms
 for global governance of Internet fails
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Quickly

I didn't mean "a Marc Anthony’s funeral oration vibe" when I said I believe
Parminder, Vint Cerf, and similar are taking their positions "honorably"
because they fear any government involvement. No satire or implications.

I do know the U.S. *government* position is a cold war revival. Larry
Strickling, a lead of the U.S. government at WCIT explained their position
by asking me, "Dave, do you want Russia and China running the Internet." I
do, actually, alongside other nations. China is now 1/3rd of the Internet.
A system that excludes them is unstable.  (See the board of ICANN or ISOC.)

As I predicted, what's happening is the excluded are building their
alternate institutions: BRICs agreements, World Internet Conference, Belt &
Road extending to Europe and Africa, Russia's alternate root.
http://netpolicynews.com/index.php/component/content/article/89-r/941-russia-orders-alternate-internet-system






On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:37 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>
wrote:

> I’m getting a strong Marc Anthony’s funeral oration vibe here when I read
> your email :)
>
> But how would moving all this mess to the UN make it multistakeholder?
> You’d just see a more government centric model, with most stakeholders kept
> away from policy making.
>
> Maybe some favoured civil society would get in based on how close they are
> to their individual governments but that’s about it.
>
> And as for industry the traditional telecom players would have a
> disproportionate presence compared to most anyone else.
>
> There is a lot to carp and criticise over the existing model, but
> exchanging it for the UN would be that old Aesop fable of the fish getting
> king stork instead of king log.
>
> _____________________________
> From: Dave Burstein <daveb at dslprime.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 2:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] UN Working Group considering
> mechanisms for global governance of Internet fails
> To: parminder <parminder.js at gmail.com>
> Cc: <governance at lists.riseup.net>, BestBitsList <
> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>, Forum at Justnetcoalition. Org <
> forum at justnetcoalition.org>
>
> (The euphemism is "only high order principles.) I'm sure folks like Vint
> Cerf support "multistakeholder" and "consensus" for honorable fear of
> governments. Knowing Parminder's work, I expect he's in that camp, also for
> honorable reasons.
>
>
>


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From suresh at hserus.net  Thu Feb  1 19:17:37 2018
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 05:47:37 +0530
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] UN Working Group considering mechanisms
 for global governance of Internet fails
In-Reply-To: <CAAUuzMTDPkOeq0weOmm9_4_cabH005JapPDYsAseunrueXMCqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <241dd309-66ea-49f3-054f-aaed94536dab@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <2E5535D4-07DA-417C-AC19-BBCA8E2399D4@hserus.net>

There has always – and not just today – been a wide variety of local and regional agreements for specific governance issues, IP address numbering and such.

 

The belt and road is a much larger strategic initiative that should deeply worry every other Asian country other than the ones coopted into it, but it’d be interesting if the Chinese have fit internet governance issues into that effort instead of a string of roads, ports etc built using Chinese funding and enabling them to achieve geopolitical dominance in the region.

 

 

From: <governance-request at lists.riseup.net> on behalf of Dave Burstein <daveb at dslprime.com>
Reply-To: Dave Burstein <daveb at dslprime.com>
Date: Friday, 2 February 2018 at 5:22 AM
To: "suresh at hserus.net" <suresh at hserus.net>
Cc: parminder <parminder.js at gmail.com>, <governance at lists.riseup.net>, BestBitsList <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>, "Forum at Justnetcoalition. Org" <forum at justnetcoalition.org>
Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] UN Working Group considering mechanisms for global governance of Internet fails

 

Quickly

 

I didn't mean "a Marc Anthony’s funeral oration vibe" when I said I believe Parminder, Vint Cerf, and similar are taking their positions "honorably" because they fear any government involvement. No satire or implications. 



I do know the U.S. government position is a cold war revival. Larry Strickling, a lead of the U.S. government at WCIT explained their position by asking me, "Dave, do you want Russia and China running the Internet." I do, actually, alongside other nations. China is now 1/3rd of the Internet. A system that excludes them is unstable.  (See the board of ICANN or ISOC.)

 

As I predicted, what's happening is the excluded are building their alternate institutions: BRICs agreements, World Internet Conference, Belt & Road extending to Europe and Africa, Russia's alternate root. http://netpolicynews.com/index.php/component/content/article/89-r/941-russia-orders-alternate-internet-system

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 6:37 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:

I’m getting a strong Marc Anthony’s funeral oration vibe here when I read your email :)

 

But how would moving all this mess to the UN make it multistakeholder?  You’d just see a more government centric model, with most stakeholders kept away from policy making.

 

Maybe some favoured civil society would get in based on how close they are to their individual governments but that’s about it.

 

And as for industry the traditional telecom players would have a disproportionate presence compared to most anyone else.

 

There is a lot to carp and criticise over the existing model, but exchanging it for the UN would be that old Aesop fable of the fish getting king stork instead of king log.

 

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(The euphemism is "only high order principles.) I'm sure folks like Vint Cerf support "multistakeholder" and "consensus" for honorable fear of governments. Knowing Parminder's work, I expect he's in that camp, also for honorable reasons. 

 

 



 

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From daveb at dslprime.com  Thu Feb  1 19:27:41 2018
From: daveb at dslprime.com (Dave Burstein)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 19:27:41 -0500
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] UN Working Group considering mechanisms
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>
> S​ince Suresh asked ​"it’d be interesting if the Chinese have fit
> internet governance issues into that effort instead of a string of roads,
> ports etc
> ​"​
> ​
>
>
​Actually, they have Putin, Xi, Modi, Temer, Zuma: Our 3,000,000,000 People
Think the U.S. Shouldn’t Run the Internet (Xiamen Statement) First Look
<http://netpolicynews.com/index.php/component/content/article/89-r/892-brics-in-xiamen-equal-participation-of-the-international-community>
 http://bit.ly/BRICsIG
I don't like the authoritarian nature of the Chinese government, but I
think we're fooling ourselves if we try to run the Internet without them.
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From suresh at hserus.net  Thu Feb  1 19:41:46 2018
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 06:11:46 +0530
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] UN Working Group considering mechanisms
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A choice collection of autocrats though.  If putting them in charge means more participation for anybody other than the individual governments and their cronies please color me surprised.

 

From: <daveburstein2 at gmail.com> on behalf of Dave Burstein <daveb at dslprime.com>
Date: Friday, 2 February 2018 at 5:58 AM
To: "suresh at hserus.net" <suresh at hserus.net>
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Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] UN Working Group considering mechanisms for global governance of Internet fails

 

S​ince Suresh asked ​"it’d be interesting if the Chinese have fit internet governance issues into that effort instead of a string of roads, ports etc

​"​

​

 

​Actually, they have 
Putin, Xi, Modi, Temer, Zuma: Our 3,000,000,000 People Think the U.S. Shouldn’t Run the Internet (Xiamen Statement) First Look http://bit.ly/BRICsIG
I don't like the authoritarian nature of the Chinese government, but I think we're fooling ourselves if we try to run the Internet without them.

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From kstubbs at afilias.info  Thu Feb  1 21:56:50 2018
From: kstubbs at afilias.info (Ken Stubbs)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 21:56:50 -0500
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] UN Working Group considering mechanisms
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ken stubbs wrote:

I am inclined to believe that China's & Russia's "billions" generally 
"don't give a damn" as
long as it works for them.



On 2/1/18 19:27, Dave Burstein wrote:
>
>     S​ince Suresh asked ​"it’d be interesting if the Chinese have fit
>     internet governance issues into that effort instead of a string of
>     roads, ports etc
>
>     ​"​
>     ​
>
>
> ​Actually, they have
>
>
>   Putin, Xi, Modi, Temer, Zuma: Our 3,000,000,000 People Think the
>   U.S. Shouldn’t Run the Internet (Xiamen Statement) First Look
>   <http://netpolicynews.com/index.php/component/content/article/89-r/892-brics-in-xiamen-equal-participation-of-the-international-community>
>   http://bit.ly/BRICsIG
>
> I don't like the authoritarian nature of the Chinese government, but I 
> think we're fooling ourselves if we try to run the Internet without them.
> ​
>
>
>
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