[governance] IMPORTANT : Merging IGC with Best Bits

[Mueller, Milton L]

Why segregate the discussions, Arsene? 
I don't understand that. It merely perpetuates the problem of a fragmented and uncoordinated civil society!

--MM

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> From: governance-request at lists.riseup.net [mailto:governance-
> request at lists.riseup.net] On Behalf Of Arsène Tungali
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 12:32 AM
> To: Farzaneh Badiei <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> Cc: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt &lt <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>;
> governance <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> Subject: Re: [governance] IMPORTANT : Merging IGC with Best Bits
> 
> Farzaneh, all,
> 
> While we are still discussing and I do appreciate the discussion, may I please
> suggest we keep discussions separate in each specific group?
> As I said in my original email, the issue of a merger should be discussed
> SEPARATELY at the IGC and Best Bits lists.
> 
> Each group needs to have an internal discussion.
> 
> So, please do not Cc both groups when communicating. Some members are
> on both lists and have posting rights on both but others don't, this may lead
> to having fragmented pieces of emails when everyone is responding.
> 
> Hope this makes sense.
> 
> Thanks,
> Arsene
> 
> 2018-12-17 23:33 UTC+02:00, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>:
> > Thanks Arsene.
> >
> > We need to decide on merging IGC and BestBits. The suggestion comes
> > from the fact that we have not been active much during the past year.
> > Also fragmented efforts are a strain on resources. Having multiple
> > elections and multiple groups to coordinate (with really minimal
> > differences) and then not be active at all for a year is not really
> recommendable.
> >
> > De told us that apparently there is some kind of consensus method if I
> > am not mistaken. De, is there a documented approach?
> >
> > I think the most important is to discuss why BestBits was created and
> > whether the reasons still stand and how BestBits members feel about
> > the merge. Maybe the ones with strong objections can be convinced,
> maybe not.
> > Lets have the conversation. If we do not see a strong objection
> > (multiple organizations, individuals object and give reasons as to why
> > BestBits should remain even if dormant), then we can decide on the
> > merge. If there are strong objections, then we will not go with the merge.
> >
> > From what I see from BestBits website, the following individuals are
> > at the steering committee of BestBits:
> >
> >
> >    - Nighat Dad
> >    - Poncelet Ileleji
> >    - Renata Ribeiro
> >    - Dave Burstein
> >    - Imran Ahmed Shah [second term of election]
> >    - Antonella Perini [co-opted by committee]
> >
> > Besbits CSCG Representatives
> >
> >    - Claudio Lucena Neto (2018-2019)
> >    - Sheetal Kumar (2017-2018)
> >
> >
> > Does this list still stand? Do  the steering committee members of
> > BestBits and the reps on CSCG would like to weigh in?
> >
> > I know Sheetal was on the call. Would be good to hear from others.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Farzaneh
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 9:00 AM Arsène Tungali
> > <governance at lists.riseup.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> You have probably seen this already on a different thread but thought
> >> it well to have this discussion solely on the IGC list (as I expect
> >> Best Bits to do the same), that's why i started this thread hoping to
> >> hear from you on this important question.
> >>
> >> This need for merging was raised by some IGC members during a civil
> >> society call that had mostly IGC and Best Bits participants; many of
> >> whom are both IGC and Best Bits (BB) members. The call happened last
> >> week and Farzaneh offered to share the link to the recording.
> >>
> >> I will not go into much details about the rationale but would welcome
> >> anyone to weigh in and share their reasoning on whether or not we
> >> should merge both lists. We will need to also answer the question on
> >> how (who is doing what?) will this happen? Is the IGC going to become
> >> BB or the latter becoming IGC? Or are we working towards a different
> >> group where members of both groups will all be added?
> >>
> >> This brings back to my memory the whole hassle we had to migrate
> >> (SAVE?) this list and allow us to have this discussion list (which
> >> hasn't been quite active for a few months but where many feel safe to
> >> share IG related updates). So i hope we discuss and take into account
> >> the technical cost of the merging process (should it happen).
> >>
> >> I am also not sure how we will gauge consensus about this question on
> >> this list? Should we vote? How long do we take to decide? Should we
> >> consult IGC 'founders' or former Co-coordinators separately and ask
> >> them what they think?
> >>
> >> During the call, Bruna and I offered to have a decision by
> >> mid-January and we hope this is realistic given the holiday season.
> >> We will then report to the group.
> >>
> >> I just wanted to throw this all here and would REALLY appreciate a
> >> discussion that will help us move forward and come to a conclusion.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Arsene
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