From jac at apcwomen.org Mon Oct 2 05:52:00 2017 From: jac at apcwomen.org (Jac sm Kee) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 17:52:00 +0800 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] [Ext] Re: [DC] [IGFmaglist] IGF Best Practice Forum on Gender: Access In-Reply-To: References: <20170928132438.A286F26009B@mail1.mfa.gov.cn>

Message-ID: <4c7cf68b-c506-f5e2-3162-58b62173dc33@apcwomen.org> Much thanks for all the considered thoughts on this issue. Being a committed advocate of this issue, I appreciate the reflection and insights on why it is both difficult and important to integrate gender into IG and policy conversations, including and esp on access. I hope this thread of discussion helped to clarify why it doesn't make sense to stack the multiple forms of disparity and discrimination that the diversity of women face before we take action to address whatever that is within our ability, capacity and responsibility to address. Also happy to take this conversation further if more doubts or questions surface. In the meantime, we continue to appreciate your support in responding to as well as disseminating the survey to your networks who do work in this area. As a reminder, the survey link is: https://www.apc.org/limesurvey/index.php/783797/lang-en Best, jac --------------------------------- Jac sm Kee Manager, Women's Rights Programme Association for Progressive Communications www.apc.org | www.takebackthetech.net | erotics.apc.org Jitsi: jacsmk | Skype: jacsmk | Twitter: @jhybe -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 842 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: -------------- next part -------------- To unsubscribe from this list, click here: http://lists.igcaucus.org/sympa/auto_signoff/governance/tapani.tarvainen%40effi.org From mike.oghia at gmail.com Tue Oct 3 07:23:57 2017 From: mike.oghia at gmail.com (Michael J. Oghia) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 13:23:57 +0200 Subject: [governance] [DC] [IGFmaglist] IGF Best Practice Forum on Gender: Access In-Reply-To: References: <20171003091158.7A55F2667E7@mail1.mfa.gov.cn>

Message-ID: Dear Ji, Indeed, as Michael mentioned, this is a good and timely conversation to have. I'm pleased that we can engage in such discussions openly and respectfully, and I commend this group for responding professionally and collegially to difficult questions. One point I want to add to what's been said is that economic development is being driven specifically by access to information and communications technologies (ICTs), *especially* among women. Not only has this been highlighted repeatedly by our own BPF on Gender and Access, but also by organizations from across stakeholder groups and development fields (UNDP, World Bank, GSMA, W3C, ISOC, General Electric, Association of Progressive Communications, and many more). To put it mildly, helping to empower women and girls with meaningful and sustainable access is imperative to our future. Best, -Michael On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Michael Ilishebo wrote: > Dear Ji, > > Your concerns are very much valid, however, the platform is not the > correct one. > > Just as Ginger has put it, Internet Governance has a defined subject > matter it covers and loses it's potency when it overlaps. > > One of the most consistent topic in Internet Governance happens to be > Gender related to access, connectivity and empowerment. The UN has other > relevant platforms that discuss the topics you have raised. > > I am one person who enjoys they way you bring out issues and will continue > tapping knowledge from you as long as I remain a MAG member. > > In my language, there is a saying that goes like, 'Wear my shoes and face > the world in them...then come we argue' > > Michael > > On Oct 3, 2017 12:02, "Ginger Paque" wrote: > >> Ji, your point is important and is discussed often in introductory IG >> courses, because it sets the scene for IG. >> >> While we recognise the importance of clean water, food, healthcare, and >> human rights, in this forum we don't address those problems, nor build >> roads, or provide food and healthcare (as examples). We work on Internet >> governance, and *the resources and solutions the Internet (and >> appropriate Internet governance) can provide to address those problems*. >> >> We work to provide a solid discussion forum that works to ensure safe, >> equitable access and better Internet for all, especially vulnerable and/or >> marginalised groups and individuals. >> >> Precisely because we are not omnipotent saviors, we must work on the >> issues under our mandate, including, but not limited to: >> a) Indigenous women >> b) Refugee women >> c) Women with disabilities >> d) Young women >> e) Rural women >> >> This is the Internet governance forum. This is what we do. >> Please excuse my over-simplification for the sake of brevity. >> >> Ginger >> >> >> >> * * >> >> *______________________________* >> >> *Ginger (Virginia) Paque* >> >> IG and E-diplomacy Programmes | Research Associate >> DiploFoundation >> >> WMO | 7bis, Avenue de la Paix | 1202 Geneva - Switzerland >> virginiap at diplomacy.edu >> >> [image: 15years.diplomacy.edu] >> >> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:11 AM, 计颢骏 wrote: >> >>> >>> Dear Chair and all, >>> >>> I have no intention to trivalize such an important issue. As >>> Chairman Mao once said, women holds up half of the sky. To make sure that >>> women have equal access to cyberspace is indeed a very important issue. >>> However, the internet or cyberspace itself is gender neutral. It is also >>> true that in some part of the world, women may have difficulty to access >>> internet. This problem attributes to economic,cultural and religious >>> factors etc. Among these factors, ecnomoy is the fundamental issue. People >>> have no access to internet because they are poor, they have no money to buy >>> computer, smart phone and wifi service. For indigenous.refugees, >>> disabled,young and rural people, no matter they are man or women,the >>> barrier to internet access is mainly about money. Economy, money, is the >>> biggest problem we face everyday. Can we expect to solve this problem in >>> the context of internet governance? In China, we have a saying that to make >>> people rich,build the road first. Without the road, indigenous people in >>> remote mountainous areas can not send their products to the >>> outside market,even when they have access to internet. The question is can >>> internet governance help build more road? >>> >>> Dear colleagues, it is very easy to be politically correct, but >>> the really important thing is to find the problem, to know the real cause >>> of the prolem and solve the prolem. In some part of the world, where women >>> even lack the basic freedom, is it a bit luxurious to talk about internet >>> access? Of course, in some countries, women may have access to >>> internet even when they are not allowed to leave home alone. My point >>> is,talk for the sake of talk is meaningless.In the context of internet >>> governance, we shall focus on issues we can make difference rather than >>> stray too far away. My previous comment is a very important viewpoint which >>> also deserve respect. we shall seek truth and go deep into the truth >>> rather than pretending that we are omnipotent saviors. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> JI Haojun >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > a) Indigenous women >>> > b) Refugee women >>> > c) Women with disabilities >>> > d) Young women >>> > e) Rural women >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- 回复邮件 ----- >>> *发信人:*Lynn St.Amour >>> *收信人:*计颢骏 >>> *抄送:*JacsmKee ,IGF Maglist < >>> Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>,bestbits at lists.bestbits.net < >>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>,Governance , >>> dc at intgovforum.org >>> *时间:*2017年09月29日 20时39分10秒 >>> *主题:*Re: [IGFmaglist] IGF Best Practice Forum on Gender: Access >>> >>> >>> Dear Ji, >>> >>> your comment below trivializes the very important gender discussion, and >>> much of the work of the MAG. >>> >>> Equally, it is important that we maintain a culture of respect in all >>> MAG communications, and I hope we can achieve this going forward. >>> >>> Lynn St.Amour >>> >>> IGF-MAG Chair >>> >>> >>> > On Sep 28, 2017, at 9:24 AM, 计颢骏 wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > Dear all, >>> > >>> > I think the access issue,for some countries, shall start from allowing >>> women to drive and travel alone first. >>> > >>> > JI Haojun >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- 回复邮件 ----- >>> > 发信人:Jac sm Kee >>> > 收信人:Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org ,< >>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> ,Governance < >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org>,dc at intgovforum.org >>> > 时间:2017年09月27日 18时05分01秒 >>> > 主题:[IGFmaglist] IGF Best Practice Forum on Gender: Access >>> > >>> > >>> > Dear colleagues, >>> > >>> > As mentioned in previous meetings, the IGF Best Practice Forum on >>> > Gender this year is looking specifically at access issues faced by: >>> > >>> > a) Indigenous women >>> > b) Refugee women >>> > c) Women with disabilities >>> > d) Young women >>> > e) Rural women >>> > >>> > We are looking for insights and initiatives that you may know of that >>> > addresses these issues directly, or in partial or indrect ways. To help >>> > in this process, we have developed a brief survey here: >>> > >>> > https://www.apc.org/limesurvey/index.php/783797/lang-en >>> > >>> > Please do submit your work into this process, and would appreciate it >>> > if you can share this broadly and in targetted ways to your networks. >>> > >>> > Best, >>> > jac >>> > >>> > -- >>> > >>> > --------------------------------- >>> > Jac sm Kee >>> > Manager, Women's Rights Programme >>> > Association for Progressive Communications >>> > www.apc.org | www.takebackthetech.net | erotics.apc.org >>> > Jitsi: jacsmk | Skype: jacsmk | Twitter: @jhybe >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Igfmaglist mailing list >>> > Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org >>> > http://intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igfmaglist_intgovforum.org >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Igfmaglist mailing list >>> > Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org >>> > http://intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igfmaglist_intgovforum.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Igfmaglist mailing list >>> Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org >>> http://intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igfmaglist_intgovforum.org >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Igfmaglist mailing list >> Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org >> http://intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igfmaglist_intgovforum.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > DC mailing list > DC at intgovforum.org > http://intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/dc_intgovforum.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<4c7cf68b-c506-f5e2-3162-58b62173dc33@apcwomen.org> Message-ID: Dear Jac, Dear Jac, While I support your work on behalf of women and girls I’m noticing a trend which is very disturbing – that is the creation of “gender” as being synonymous with “women/female”, at times almost acting as a euphemism. Consider what you wrote yesterday: the multiple forms of disparity and discrimination that the diversity of women face and what Michael wrote this morning: To put it mildly, helping to empower women and girls with meaningful and sustainable access is imperative to our future Where are the men? We seem to be being driven into an unfortunate case of divide and rule. A huge theme for the internet is inclusion, and yet “gender” is excluding approximately half of its population. So if we want to say “women” couldn’t we just say “women”? Do we think it’s a bad word? And if we’re discussing gender, couldn’t we include the men too? For example there might be workshops considering things from both sides, offering a male perspective as well. Are there men who facilitate internet access for women? Are there men who actively block access? How is this done and what measures have been implemented to get round the blocking? Are there men who are themselves denied access to the internet? The human race is diverse, in gender as well as in many other things. Denying diversity has been demonstrated as an unsuccessful way to try to solve problems, because the diversity persists no matter how much it is denied. What do other people think? Best wishes from the Caribbean (where we have a concern about the “marginalised male”) Deirdre. On 2 October 2017 at 05:52, Jac sm Kee wrote: > Much thanks for all the considered thoughts on this issue. Being a > committed advocate of this issue, I appreciate the reflection and > insights on why it is both difficult and important to integrate gender > into IG and policy conversations, including and esp on access. > > I hope this thread of discussion helped to clarify why it doesn't make > sense to stack the multiple forms of disparity and discrimination that > the diversity of women face before we take action to address whatever > that is within our ability, capacity and responsibility to address. Also > happy to take this conversation further if more doubts or questions > surface. > > In the meantime, we continue to appreciate your support in responding to > as well as disseminating the survey to your networks who do work in this > area. > > As a reminder, the survey link is: > https://www.apc.org/limesurvey/index.php/783797/lang-en > > Best, > jac > > > --------------------------------- > Jac sm Kee > Manager, Women's Rights Programme > Association for Progressive Communications > www.apc.org | www.takebackthetech.net | erotics.apc.org > Jitsi: jacsmk | Skype: jacsmk | Twitter: @jhybe > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- To unsubscribe from this list, click here: http://lists.igcaucus.org/sympa/auto_signoff/governance/tapani.tarvainen%40effi.org From arsenebaguma at gmail.com Tue Oct 3 09:45:03 2017 From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 15:45:03 +0200 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] [Ext] Re: [DC] [IGFmaglist] IGF Best Practice Forum on Gender: Access In-Reply-To: References: <20170928132438.A286F26009B@mail1.mfa.gov.cn>

<4c7cf68b-c506-f5e2-3162-58b62173dc33@apcwomen.org> Message-ID: <21C0D528-4F4F-418E-9959-2D0759B3667D@gmail.com> Hi all, Thank you very much Deidre for raising that issue with regards to "gender". I tend to agree with you on all your points and do believe we need to reconsider the way we see/talk about and define gender. We might run into the lack of balance if we consider men, leaving women behind and vice versa. Though i believe we all fight for diversity. Regards, Arsene ----------------- Arsène Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali +243 993810967 GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On Oct 3, 2017, at 2:41 PM, Deirdre Williams wrote: > > Dear Jac, > > Dear Jac, > > While I support your work on behalf of women and girls I’m noticing a trend which is very disturbing – that is the creation of “gender” as being synonymous with “women/female”, at times almost acting as a euphemism. > > Consider what you wrote yesterday: > > the multiple forms of disparity and discrimination that the diversity of women face > > and what Michael wrote this morning: > > To put it mildly, helping to empower women and girls with meaningful and sustainable access is imperative to our future > > Where are the men? > > We seem to be being driven into an unfortunate case of divide and rule. A huge theme for the internet is inclusion, and yet “gender” is excluding approximately half of its population. So if we want to say “women” couldn’t we just say “women”? Do we think it’s a bad word? And if we’re discussing gender, couldn’t we include the men too? For example there might be workshops considering things from both sides, offering a male perspective as well. Are there men who facilitate internet access for women? Are there men who actively block access? How is this done and what measures have been implemented to get round the blocking? Are there men who are themselves denied access to the internet? > > The human race is diverse, in gender as well as in many other things. Denying diversity has been demonstrated as an unsuccessful way to try to solve problems, because the diversity persists no matter how much it is denied. > > What do other people think? > > Best wishes from the Caribbean (where we have a concern about the “marginalised male”) > > Deirdre. > >> On 2 October 2017 at 05:52, Jac sm Kee wrote: >> Much thanks for all the considered thoughts on this issue. Being a >> committed advocate of this issue, I appreciate the reflection and >> insights on why it is both difficult and important to integrate gender >> into IG and policy conversations, including and esp on access. >> >> I hope this thread of discussion helped to clarify why it doesn't make >> sense to stack the multiple forms of disparity and discrimination that >> the diversity of women face before we take action to address whatever >> that is within our ability, capacity and responsibility to address. Also >> happy to take this conversation further if more doubts or questions >> surface. >> >> In the meantime, we continue to appreciate your support in responding to >> as well as disseminating the survey to your networks who do work in this >> area. >> >> As a reminder, the survey link is: >> https://www.apc.org/limesurvey/index.php/783797/lang-en >> >> Best, >> jac >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Jac sm Kee >> Manager, Women's Rights Programme >> Association for Progressive Communications >> www.apc.org | www.takebackthetech.net | erotics.apc.org >> Jitsi: jacsmk | Skype: jacsmk | Twitter: @jhybe > > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > To unsubscribe from this list, click here: http://lists.igcaucus.org/sympa/auto_signoff/governance/arsenebaguma%40gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- To unsubscribe from this list, click here: http://lists.igcaucus.org/sympa/auto_signoff/governance/tapani.tarvainen%40effi.org From capdasiege at gmail.com Tue Oct 3 10:05:42 2017 From: capdasiege at gmail.com (Capda Capda) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 16:05:42 +0200 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] [Ext] Re: [DC] [IGFmaglist] IGF Best Practice Forum on Gender: Access In-Reply-To: <21C0D528-4F4F-418E-9959-2D0759B3667D@gmail.com> References: <20170928132438.A286F26009B@mail1.mfa.gov.cn>

<4c7cf68b-c506-f5e2-3162-58b62173dc33@apcwomen.org> <21C0D528-4F4F-418E-9959-2D0759B3667D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Asène, Tu soulèves là un très bon point. J'ai toujours eu comme l'impression que la notion du genre est considérée par la majorité qui y défend comme la problématique de la femme, ce qui constitue une erreur et un déséquilibre grave. Vivement que nous puissions recentrer cette notion importante pour la gouvernance de notre société. Vive la diversité. Cordialement. Hi Asene, You raise a very good point here. I have always had the impression that the notion of gender is considered by the majority who defend it as the problematic of women, which constitutes a mistake and a serious imbalance. We strongly hope that we can refocus this important notion for the governance of our society. Long live for the diversity. Best Regards, 2017-10-03 15:45 GMT+02:00 Arsène Tungali : > Hi all, > > Thank you very much Deidre for raising that issue with regards to > "gender". I tend to agree with you on all your points and do believe we > need to reconsider the way we see/talk about and define gender. > > We might run into the lack of balance if we consider men, leaving women > behind and vice versa. Though i believe we all fight for diversity. > > Regards, > Arsene > > ----------------- > Arsène Tungali, > about.me/ArseneTungali > +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967> > GPG: 523644A0 > Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo > > Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > > On Oct 3, 2017, at 2:41 PM, Deirdre Williams > wrote: > > Dear Jac, > > Dear Jac, > > While I support your work on behalf of women and girls I’m noticing a > trend which is very disturbing – that is the creation of “gender” as being > synonymous with “women/female”, at times almost acting as a euphemism. > > Consider what you wrote yesterday: > > the multiple forms of disparity and discrimination that the diversity of > women face > > and what Michael wrote this morning: > > To put it mildly, helping to empower women and girls with meaningful and > sustainable access is imperative to our future > > Where are the men? > > We seem to be being driven into an unfortunate case of divide and rule. A > huge theme for the internet is inclusion, and yet “gender” is excluding > approximately half of its population. So if we want to say “women” couldn’t > we just say “women”? Do we think it’s a bad word? And if we’re discussing > gender, couldn’t we include the men too? For example there might be > workshops considering things from both sides, offering a male perspective > as well. Are there men who facilitate internet access for women? Are there > men who actively block access? How is this done and what measures have been > implemented to get round the blocking? Are there men who are themselves > denied access to the internet? > > The human race is diverse, in gender as well as in many other things. > Denying diversity has been demonstrated as an unsuccessful way to try to > solve problems, because the diversity persists no matter how much it is > denied. > > What do other people think? > > Best wishes from the Caribbean (where we have a concern about the > “marginalised male”) > Deirdre. > > On 2 October 2017 at 05:52, Jac sm Kee wrote: > >> Much thanks for all the considered thoughts on this issue. Being a >> committed advocate of this issue, I appreciate the reflection and >> insights on why it is both difficult and important to integrate gender >> into IG and policy conversations, including and esp on access. >> >> I hope this thread of discussion helped to clarify why it doesn't make >> sense to stack the multiple forms of disparity and discrimination that >> the diversity of women face before we take action to address whatever >> that is within our ability, capacity and responsibility to address. Also >> happy to take this conversation further if more doubts or questions >> surface. >> >> In the meantime, we continue to appreciate your support in responding to >> as well as disseminating the survey to your networks who do work in this >> area. >> >> As a reminder, the survey link is: >> https://www.apc.org/limesurvey/index.php/783797/lang-en >> >> Best, >> jac >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Jac sm Kee >> Manager, Women's Rights Programme >> Association for Progressive Communications >> www.apc.org | www.takebackthetech.net | erotics.apc.org >> Jitsi: jacsmk | Skype: jacsmk | Twitter: @jhybe >> >> > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > To unsubscribe from this list, click here: http://lists.igcaucus.org/ > sympa/auto_signoff/governance/arsenebaguma%40gmail.com > > > To unsubscribe from this list, click here: http://lists.igcaucus.org/ > sympa/auto_signoff/governance/capdasiege%40gmail.com > -- *Michel TCHONANG LINZECoordinateur GénéralÉVÈNEMENTS SUR LES TIC : - ITU TELECOM WORLD du 25 au 28 Septembre 2017 à Busan-Corée du Sud- CMDT-17 du 09 au 20 octobre 2017 à Buenos Aires - Argentine- 6ème Forum de la Gouvernance Internet Afrique (AfIGF) du 04 au 06 décembre 2017 au Caire - Egypte- 12ème FGI du 18 au 21 décembre 2017 à Genève - SuisseCAPDA (Consortium d'Appui aux Actions pour la Promotion et le Développement de l'Afrique)BP : 15 151 DOUALA - CAMEROUN Tél. : (237) 67775-39-63 / 24212-9493 Email : capdasiege at gmail.com Site : www.capda.ong* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Thank you Bishakha for supporting my argument - or at least adding supporting material. This is the list of issues that was posted for comment: a) Indigenous women b) Refugee women c) Women with disabilities d) Young women e) Rural women Nowhere is there any indication of the diversity of gender you describe. This is not to say that the diversity is not being addressed, but in the interest of creating an atmosphere of trust and a sense of fair play the addressing needs to be SEEN to be done. Do we need a change of language - is the word "gender" itself part of the problem? Or do we need a different perception of what gender is - a spectrum rather than a dichotomy? (Although even that would seem to exclude the un-gendered.) Should there be a Dynamic Coalition on Women? But then where would the needs of everyone else be addressed? Language and how it is defined becomes more and more important to us as the discussion spreads further and further. Language is the first tool that we have to begin to find solutions to the problems. As the discussion spreads so the number of languages which must interact with one another becomes greater and greater. Accurate translation requires a more than casual understanding of the original text. So - back to the question - how do we make "gender" work for us, ALL of us? Deirdre On 3 October 2017 at 11:05, Bishakha Datta wrote: > Hello all, > > I wanted to jump into the discussion on the use of the term 'gender'. > > This is a complex and multi-layered issue. > > At the IGF's Dynamic Coalition on Gender and Internet Governance, which > Jac is very much a part of and has shaped since its inception, we talk > about gender not to mean one or two genders, but multiple genders - men, > women, trans persons etc. Several individuals all over the world define > themselves as neither male nor female, which must also be taken into > account in any discussion on gender. > > Even though we know that there are multiple genders, the reason we focus > on women and trans persons (sometimes unnamed) in these discussions is > simply because women as a 'gender' lack power, resources, opportunities, > decision-making - both online and offline. A focus on women in gender > discussions does not *exclude *men; it does the reverse. It actually *includes > *and brings women, who have traditionally been excluded or > under-represented, into the picture. > > Increasing diversity always means looking at - and taking measures to > include - those who have traditionally been excluded or under-represented. > From a gender perspective, this means women and trans persons. From a > language perspective, this means thinking about languages that are > under-represented online. From the perspective of ability, diversity means > taking steps to include those who are seen as disability (eg accessibility > measures etc). > > I'm making the broader analogies around diversity only to demonstrate that > the same 'rule' applies to thinking around diversity and inclusion, not > only in the context of gender. > > Best > Bishakha > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:05 PM, Capda Capda wrote: > >> Hi Asène, >> >> Tu soulèves là un très bon point. J'ai toujours eu comme l'impression que >> la notion du genre est considérée par la majorité qui y défend comme la >> problématique de la femme, ce qui constitue une erreur et un déséquilibre >> grave. Vivement que nous puissions recentrer cette notion importante pour >> la gouvernance de notre société. Vive la diversité. >> >> Cordialement. >> >> >> Hi Asene, >> >> You raise a very good point here. I have always had the impression that >> the notion of gender is considered by the majority who defend it as the >> problematic of women, which constitutes a mistake and a serious imbalance. >> We strongly hope that we can refocus this important notion for the >> governance of our society. Long live for the diversity. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> 2017-10-03 15:45 GMT+02:00 Arsène Tungali : >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Thank you very much Deidre for raising that issue with regards to >>> "gender". I tend to agree with you on all your points and do believe we >>> need to reconsider the way we see/talk about and define gender. >>> >>> We might run into the lack of balance if we consider men, leaving women >>> behind and vice versa. Though i believe we all fight for diversity. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Arsene >>> >>> ----------------- >>> Arsène Tungali, >>> about.me/ArseneTungali >>> +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967> >>> GPG: 523644A0 >>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) >>> >>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 2:41 PM, Deirdre Williams >>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Jac, >>> >>> Dear Jac, >>> >>> While I support your work on behalf of women and girls I’m noticing a >>> trend which is very disturbing – that is the creation of “gender” as being >>> synonymous with “women/female”, at times almost acting as a euphemism. >>> >>> Consider what you wrote yesterday: >>> >>> the multiple forms of disparity and discrimination that the diversity >>> of women face >>> >>> and what Michael wrote this morning: >>> >>> To put it mildly, helping to empower women and girls with meaningful and >>> sustainable access is imperative to our future >>> >>> Where are the men? >>> >>> We seem to be being driven into an unfortunate case of divide and rule. >>> A huge theme for the internet is inclusion, and yet “gender” is excluding >>> approximately half of its population. So if we want to say “women” couldn’t >>> we just say “women”? Do we think it’s a bad word? And if we’re discussing >>> gender, couldn’t we include the men too? For example there might be >>> workshops considering things from both sides, offering a male perspective >>> as well. Are there men who facilitate internet access for women? Are there >>> men who actively block access? How is this done and what measures have been >>> implemented to get round the blocking? Are there men who are themselves >>> denied access to the internet? >>> >>> The human race is diverse, in gender as well as in many other things. >>> Denying diversity has been demonstrated as an unsuccessful way to try to >>> solve problems, because the diversity persists no matter how much it is >>> denied. >>> >>> What do other people think? >>> >>> Best wishes from the Caribbean (where we have a concern about the >>> “marginalised male”) >>> Deirdre. >>> >>> On 2 October 2017 at 05:52, Jac sm Kee wrote: >>> >>>> Much thanks for all the considered thoughts on this issue. Being a >>>> committed advocate of this issue, I appreciate the reflection and >>>> insights on why it is both difficult and important to integrate gender >>>> into IG and policy conversations, including and esp on access. >>>> >>>> I hope this thread of discussion helped to clarify why it doesn't make >>>> sense to stack the multiple forms of disparity and discrimination that >>>> the diversity of women face before we take action to address whatever >>>> that is within our ability, capacity and responsibility to address. Also >>>> happy to take this conversation further if more doubts or questions >>>> surface. >>>> >>>> In the meantime, we continue to appreciate your support in responding to >>>> as well as disseminating the survey to your networks who do work in this >>>> area. >>>> >>>> As a reminder, the survey link is: >>>> https://www.apc.org/limesurvey/index.php/783797/lang-en >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> jac >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------- >>>> Jac sm Kee >>>> Manager, Women's Rights Programme >>>> Association for Progressive Communications >>>> www.apc.org | www.takebackthetech.net | erotics.apc.org >>>> Jitsi: jacsmk | Skype: jacsmk | Twitter: @jhybe >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir >>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list, click here: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/sympa/auto_signoff/governance/arse >>> nebaguma%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list, click here: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/sympa/auto_signoff/governance/capd >>> asiege%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> *Michel TCHONANG LINZECoordinateur GénéralÉVÈNEMENTS SUR LES TIC : - ITU >> TELECOM WORLD du 25 au 28 Septembre 2017 à Busan-Corée du Sud- CMDT-17 du >> 09 au 20 octobre 2017 à Buenos Aires - Argentine- 6ème Forum de la >> Gouvernance Internet Afrique (AfIGF) du 04 au 06 décembre 2017 au Caire - >> Egypte- 12ème FGI du 18 au 21 décembre 2017 à Genève - SuisseCAPDA >> (Consortium d'Appui aux Actions pour la Promotion et le Développement de >> l'Afrique)BP : 15 151 DOUALA - CAMEROUN Tél. : (237) 67775-39-63 / >> 24212-9493 Email : capdasiege at gmail.com Site : >> www.capda.ong* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DC mailing list >> DC at intgovforum.org >> http://intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/dc_intgovforum.org >> >> > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Dear Pascal, Thank you for the information and kind details. This is not a political discussion, rather it is all about Internet Freedom. Sonigitu Ekpe On 21 Oct, 2017 20:37, "Pascal Bekono" wrote: Dear Soni, I live and work in Cameroon, and I am actually in South West for work. There is no Internet shutdown in South West. There were protests organized by secessionists the 1st october in the south west and north west regions, around 6 persons died, policemen have been injured, etc as mentionned by different newspapers and Gov. Please, there is no genocide in Cameroon, This mailinglist is not the platform for political debate ! 2017-10-21 19:27 GMT+01:00 Sonigitu Ekpe : > Dear All, > > Any update on the Internet shot down in South West Cameroon and genocide ! > > Hope to hear details, if any. > > Sonigitu Ekpe > > _______________________________________________ > Ncuc-discuss mailing list > Ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org > https://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- To unsubscribe from this list, click here: http://lists.igcaucus.org/wws/auto_signoff/governance/tapani.tarvainen%40effi.org From arsenebaguma at gmail.com Tue Oct 24 06:37:59 2017 From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 12:37:59 +0200 Subject: [governance] [MAG 2018 ELECTIONS] CSCG call for nominations to IGC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bruna, Thanks for sharing. I am hoping everyone received this email and have started getting ready. Do not hesitate if you have any questions. Regards, Arsene 2017-10-21 15:43 UTC+02:00, Bruna Martins dos Santos : > Dear all, > > Please find below the details of the process by which all Internet > Governance Caucus (IGC) members are invited to submit nominations to the > Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) as part of the 2018 elections for > the IGF Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG). The procedures of > appointments can be found at this link: http://www.internetgov-c > s.org/procedures > > In order to facilitate this process within the CSCG a dedicated Nomination > Committee (or NomCom) has been set up. The NomCom is comprised of one > representative from our coalition and members from the Association for > Progressive Communications (APC), Best Bits, Just Net Coalition (JNC), and > ICANN’s Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG). The NomCom is coordinated > by a non voting chair and the IGC Co-Coordinator (Arsene Tungali), > supported by CSCG Co-chair (Richard Hill). > > The NomCom has been tasked by the Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) > to run the process of selection and endorsement of civil society candidates > nominations for the 2018 IGF MAG selection round. > > Based on this information (https://www.intgovforum.org/m > ultilingual/content/mag-2018-renewal-0), this year, *there are 6 seats > available for civil society, the CSCG has decided to endorse a pull of up > to 8 names* where the IGF Secretariat will choose from. *The deadline for > nominations to be sent to the NomCom is **October 31.* > > Thank you for being part of this process and please let me know should you > have any questions. > > Best, > *Bruna Santos * > > ------------------------- > *2018 IGF MAG Selection Round – Nominations Selection criteria* > ------------------------- > > - Candidates should have *extensive linkages with civil society groups*. > - Candidates must be able to *provide advice on the programme and main > themes of the next meeting of the IGF*. > - Candidates must be able *attend two to three MAG meetings in > Geneva *Switzerland, > *in addition to the annual IGF meeting*. > - They should *participate actively in the preparatory process > throughout the year*, through engagement in the online multilateral > dialogue among MAG members. > - Candidates should *address these selection criteria in their > statement* > . > - Self-nominations are allowed. > > *Timetable for the process* > ------------------------- > Here are important dates to consider for this process: > > - *October 20th:* NomCom 11 agree on the process which will be included > in the call for nominations; > - *October 21st:* Nomination opens. > - *October 31:* Deadline for nominations from CSCG constituencies to be > sent to the CSCG NomCom > - *1–6 November*: NomCom shortlist and decide on the 8 names to send to > the IGF Secretariat > - *November 7th:* Notification to selected candidates. > - *November 8–10th:* NomCom Chair will fill in the nomination form (as > Nominator) as well as communicate with the IGF Secretariat through an > official letter. > > *How to seek CSCG endorsement?* > ------------------------- > > Candidates who are willing to go through the endorsement process by the > CSCG should do the following: > > Produce a *Statement of Interest (SOI) of no more than 2 pages* where they > address the selection criteria as set above ; > > Send their SOI (in .doc format) to nomcom11 at internetgov-cs.org copying > their constituency’s mailing list and/or their NomCom representative (for > IGC this is santos.bruna at protonmail.com) with email subject: “My [Family > Name] 2018 IGF MAG SOI”; > > In their *SOI*, they should *include the following information required in > the IGF MAG application form:* > > - Gender > - Family Name > - Given Name > - Organization > - Job Title > - Email > - Contact Telephone (including country code) > - Regional Group > - Nationality (ies) (multiple nationalities can be specified, must be UN > countries) > - Country of Residence > - City of Residence > - Justification for the nomination, providing relevant background > information (no more than 200 words) > > > *What is the IGF MAG?* > ------------------------- > > Here is some background information with regards to the IGF MAG: > > The 2018 Renewal Call with information about number of available seats > for Civil Society as well as the names of MAG members who are stepping > down : https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/mag-2018-renewal-0 > > The 2018 Nomination Form can be accessed here: > https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/mag-nominat > ion-2018-form-template > > -- > -- ------------------------ **Arsène Tungali* * Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international *, CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, *Mabingwa Forum * Tel: +243 993810967 GPG: 523644A0 *Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo* 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil & Mexico ) - AFRISIG 2016 - Blogger - ICANN Fellow (Los Angeles & Marrakech ). AFRINIC Fellow (Mauritius )* - *IGFSA Member - Internet Governance - Internet Freedom. Check the *2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC* report (English ) and (French ) -------------- next part -------------- To unsubscribe from this list, click here: http://lists.igcaucus.org/wws/auto_signoff/governance/tapani.tarvainen%40effi.org From arsenebaguma at gmail.com Tue Oct 24 06:40:01 2017 From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 12:40:01 +0200 Subject: [governance] [MAG 2018 ELECTIONS] CSCG call for nominations to IGC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bruna, Thanks for sharing. I am hoping everyone received this email and have started getting ready. Do not hesitate if you have any questions. Regards, Arsene 2017-10-21 15:43 UTC+02:00, Bruna Martins dos Santos : > Dear all, > > Please find below the details of the process by which all Internet > Governance Caucus (IGC) members are invited to submit nominations to the > Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) as part of the 2018 elections for > the IGF Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG). The procedures of > appointments can be found at this link: http://www.internetgov-c > s.org/procedures > > In order to facilitate this process within the CSCG a dedicated Nomination > Committee (or NomCom) has been set up. The NomCom is comprised of one > representative from our coalition and members from the Association for > Progressive Communications (APC), Best Bits, Just Net Coalition (JNC), and > ICANN’s Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group (NCSG). The NomCom is coordinated > by a non voting chair and the IGC Co-Coordinator (Arsene Tungali), > supported by CSCG Co-chair (Richard Hill). > > The NomCom has been tasked by the Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) > to run the process of selection and endorsement of civil society candidates > nominations for the 2018 IGF MAG selection round. > > Based on this information (https://www.intgovforum.org/m > ultilingual/content/mag-2018-renewal-0), this year, *there are 6 seats > available for civil society, the CSCG has decided to endorse a pull of up > to 8 names* where the IGF Secretariat will choose from. *The deadline for > nominations to be sent to the NomCom is **October 31.* > > Thank you for being part of this process and please let me know should you > have any questions. > > Best, > *Bruna Santos * > > ------------------------- > *2018 IGF MAG Selection Round – Nominations Selection criteria* > ------------------------- > > - Candidates should have *extensive linkages with civil society groups*. > - Candidates must be able to *provide advice on the programme and main > themes of the next meeting of the IGF*. > - Candidates must be able *attend two to three MAG meetings in > Geneva *Switzerland, > *in addition to the annual IGF meeting*. > - They should *participate actively in the preparatory process > throughout the year*, through engagement in the online multilateral > dialogue among MAG members. > - Candidates should *address these selection criteria in their > statement* > . > - Self-nominations are allowed. > > *Timetable for the process* > ------------------------- > Here are important dates to consider for this process: > > - *October 20th:* NomCom 11 agree on the process which will be included > in the call for nominations; > - *October 21st:* Nomination opens. > - *October 31:* Deadline for nominations from CSCG constituencies to be > sent to the CSCG NomCom > - *1–6 November*: NomCom shortlist and decide on the 8 names to send to > the IGF Secretariat > - *November 7th:* Notification to selected candidates. > - *November 8–10th:* NomCom Chair will fill in the nomination form (as > Nominator) as well as communicate with the IGF Secretariat through an > official letter. > > *How to seek CSCG endorsement?* > ------------------------- > > Candidates who are willing to go through the endorsement process by the > CSCG should do the following: > > Produce a *Statement of Interest (SOI) of no more than 2 pages* where they > address the selection criteria as set above ; > > Send their SOI (in .doc format) to nomcom11 at internetgov-cs.org copying > their constituency’s mailing list and/or their NomCom representative (for > IGC this is santos.bruna at protonmail.com) with email subject: “My [Family > Name] 2018 IGF MAG SOI”; > > In their *SOI*, they should *include the following information required in > the IGF MAG application form:* > > - Gender > - Family Name > - Given Name > - Organization > - Job Title > - Email > - Contact Telephone (including country code) > - Regional Group > - Nationality (ies) (multiple nationalities can be specified, must be UN > countries) > - Country of Residence > - City of Residence > - Justification for the nomination, providing relevant background > information (no more than 200 words) > > > *What is the IGF MAG?* > ------------------------- > > Here is some background information with regards to the IGF MAG: > > The 2018 Renewal Call with information about number of available seats > for Civil Society as well as the names of MAG members who are stepping > down : https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/mag-2018-renewal-0 > > The 2018 Nomination Form can be accessed here: > https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/mag-nominat > ion-2018-form-template > > -- > -- ------------------------ **Arsène Tungali* * Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international *, CEO,* Smart Services Sarl *, *Mabingwa Forum * Tel: +243 993810967 GPG: 523644A0 *Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo* 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil & Mexico ) - AFRISIG 2016 - Blogger - ICANN Fellow (Los Angeles & Marrakech ). 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