[governance] Multistakeholderism and Mr. Trump

willi uebelherr willi.uebelherr at riseup.net
Mon Jan 30 23:45:39 EST 2017


What I read here are all great lies. For decades, the US has been 
destroying other countries. Murdered millions of people. Destroy 
cultures and habitats. And we do not hear anything from you. No cry out.

The "Internet" is fully controlled by small groups. Mostly from the USA. 
Then you speak of "democratic governance of the Internet".

"Multistakeholderism" is a cheap theater. The access to all data is the 
only interest, which gives itself validity. Connected with the interest 
of making telecommunications a profitable business. All other interests 
are subordinate to this.

The people don't exist for these groups. They are just objects.

What will you defend?

many greetings, willi
Asuncion, Paraguay


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Subject: RE: [governance] Multistakeholderism and Mr. Trump
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 14:33:18 -0800
From: Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>

Yes Gene, and we applaud and support those struggles however, as you 
well know the Internet is a necessary functionality and resource to the 
entire world and any material change in how it is “governed” will be of 
direct interest and concern to the entire world.

Mr. Trump’s expressed determination to pursue US interests at the 
expense of all others raises serious questions I would think, about how 
multistakeholder institutions fragile as they are, can survive when one 
(and the major player) appears intent on foregoing collaboration and 
co-determination in favour of unilateralism.

In fact, I believe that one interpretation of the Prisoner’s Dilemma can 
tell us a great deal about what may occur in the future where the 
significant likelihood of one player pursuing their own interest and 
refusing to cooperate with others forces all other players either to 
cooperate among themselves or to pursue similar autarchic moves.

Thus the issue of Mr. Trump and multistakeholderism might be of quite 
immediate significance to many of the other players in the Internet 
Governance game as they decide whether to go down the path of Autarchy, 
align with the alternate polarity that China seems to be pursuing or 
seek some more widely inclusive form of democratic governance of the 
Internet.

It is of course, a pity that the processes and supporters for 
multistakeholderism to this point have sought to avoid and downplay 
issues of democratic governance of the Internet, but perhaps the silver 
lining/unanticipated consequence of Mr. Trump’s actions is to force this 
issue to the fore and to precipitate the rethinking and coalition 
building out of which such a process of democratization might emerge and 
serve the interests of all users and beneficiaries of the Internet.

M


From: genekimmelman at gmail.com [mailto:genekimmelman at gmail.com] Sent: 
January 29, 2017 7:24 PM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [governance] Multistakeholderism and Mr. Trump

Many of us in the US are fighting day to day to preserve human rights 
principles and fundamental constitutional rights in an extremely hostile 
and dangerous environment. I hope we succeed, and in that context, 
multistakeholderism may or may not play a role (which doesn't really 
prove anything!).  But I certainly don't think it's a very important 
issue to worry about at this point in time when so much more is at 
stake.....


On Jan 29, 2017, at 9:35 PM, Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com 
<mailto:gurstein at gmail.com> > wrote:

A question, what does Multistakeholderism looking like in the context of 
Mr. Trump’s America First-ism?

Asking for a friend…
M



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