[governance] [NCSG-Discuss] Update: CSCG & IGF Planning Retreat
Ian Peter
ian.peter at ianpeter.com
Mon Jun 6 05:51:07 EDT 2016
Wolfgang wrote
>Insofar we should use the opportunity to comment on the planned IGF retreat
>by explaining more in detail what we (NCUC, civil society) expect from a
>multistakeholder process. There are good >references in the WSIS +10
>document, so we can take them by their own words and lead them into the new
>world of open and transparent policy making mechanisms.
It would be great to see something widely supported - what is proposed, a
sign on document? Is a draft going to be discussed here or somewhere?
Ian Peter
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Subject: AW: [governance] [NCSG-Discuss] Update: CSCG & IGF Planning Retreat
1+ to Bill.
Yes indeed, it helps to understand the process and its special history.
We should not forget that the "Multistakeholder Approach" is a (rather
radical) innovation in global policy making and decision taking. The
approach was desigend and pushed forward by a small goup of Internet people
within the frameworks of IETF and ICANN in the 1990s and introduced into the
UNICTTF and WSIS in the early 2000s. It is seen now as a success and the
better (only?) way to handle the new complexities of the Internet Age.
But now, when Internet policies penetrates all spheres of the political
discussions in areas like security, trade and human rights we see a "clash
of cultures" where the innovative open, transparent and bottom up policy
making procedures clash with the traditional top down approaches and deal
makings behind closed doorsof the politcal Establishment. A lot of "old
professionals" in the world of policy making trust what they know and
mistrust new approaches. We see this in the US Congress, where senators in
the IANA Transition are asking critical questions full of mistrust about the
multistakeholder model and prefer the "traditional oversight" by a known
politcal players as the US government. We see this in the G 7 where the
leaders of the industrial world give lip service to the multistakeholder
principle but produce documents, drafted by governmental sherpas behind
closed doors without any call for public input and an opportunity for public
comment. And we see this in the UN.
My understanding is that UNDESA has no bad intentions or does not plan a
"conspiracy" against the IGF. They are just doing their "business as usual".
And they have not yet understood that the 21st century is different from the
20th century. They have not yet understood that the multistakeholder model
is not based on the principle of national sovereignty of UN member states
but on principles like openess, transparency, equal Access for all
governmental and non-governmental stakeholderrs, bottom up policy
development, rough consenus and running code.
Insofar we should use the opportunity to comment on the planned IGF retreat
by explaining more in detail what we (NCUC, civil society) expect from a
multistakeholder process. There are good references in the WSIS +10
document, so we can take them by their own words and lead them into the new
world of open and transparent policy making mechanisms.
Wolfgang
BTW, I have raised this issue already two years ago here:
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20140818_sailing_backwards_wsis_10_avoids_entering_unchartered_territory/
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Betreff: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Update: CSCG & IGF Planning Retreat
Hi Shane
Thanks for your note and nice to meet you BTW.
In the early years of the IGF liftoff the initial MAG meetings were very
tense as all the polarizing issues raised just prior in WSIS were still in
the air and the various sides were strategizing heavily on how to control
the narrative and meeting agendas. In particular, the tech and business
communities and their supporters in OECD governments were very worried that
the IGF would be overly focused on ICANN and its perceived shortcomings and
demands for a new UN body with superpowers inter alia to 'oversee' ICANN, so
much so that the WSIS-era code word for names number root system
etc.---critical Internet resources---could not be addressed in the initial
2006 Athens program. (by way of explanation you can look at the chapter
'Critical Internet Resources: Coping with the Elephant in the Room' by
NCUCer Jeanette Hofmann in the book I edited based on the Sharm meeting
http://amzn.to/1Y2sKqc <http://amzn.to/1Y2sKqc>, and the chapter 'A critical
look at critical Internet resources, since WGIG' by Paul Wilson and Pablo
Hinojosa in the booked I edited for the WGIG's 10th anniversary
http://amzn.to/22IcHi3 <http://amzn.to/22IcHi3>). So in that period, calls,
particularly from NCUC members and others in civil society, for full
transparency, openness to observers, and remote participation in the MAG
meetings were denied, and the best we could get was Chatham-based post hoc
summaries of the MAG's closed mail list.
But people keep kept pressing for more, in keeping with the original WGIG
vision and subsequent TA mandate, and as comfort levels increased people
unclenched and we were progressively to get these things. Now the F2F meets
are open to all whose atoms are in Geneva, the sessions have remote
participation, there are no secret documents involved, and the IGF uses a
publicly archived mail list (if memory serves a private one was retained for
sensitive discussions of people, e.g. possibilities for the main sessions,
but I don't recall that we really used it much when I was a member). Sorry,
I don't remember the precise dates on which each of these shifts happened
but the info should be on the website.
So there has been institutionalized in the collective mind and in the
concrete practice of the 'IGF community' (those who are actively engaged and
care about building this multistakeholder process) a strong presumption that
everything should be open and fairly bottom up. However, the UN bureaucracy
has never bought into this, at least with respect to its own operations. So
the stakeholders nominate candidates to the MAG bottom up but DESA decides
among these in a black box fashion. So reports for ECOSOC about the IGF's
progress get commissioned and then buried by DESA without informing
community reps on the MAG. So consultations and decisions happen between
the DESA and various powers that be behind closed doors with no reporting.
So swank retreats with unclear mandates and authority get decided and
announced by DESA without any consultation with the MAG, and when people
like me and Avri and Renata jump up and down on various lists about the need
for transparency and remote participation, we get back as a grudging answer
that maybe some sessions of the retreat can be reported out on a Chatham
basis. This is inconsistent with the norms and processes the community has
established, and is regressive. Hence the discussion.
In other contexts Chatham can be quite useful and is a step toward opening
closed processes. Here it is a step toward closing open processes.
Hope that helps,
Bill
> On Jun 6, 2016, at 05:17, Shane Kerr <shane at time-travellers.org> wrote:
>
> William,
>
> It seemed to me that you were implying that the Chatham House style is
> obviously bad. It is not. There are benefits and drawbacks.
>
> I'd be interested to hear what the "various reasons" are that the IGF
> does not use it. You know, for transparency. ;) (Ideally you can just
> point me to the documentation about this...)
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Shane
>
> At 2016-06-03 13:31:44 +0200
> William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Thanks Shane. I'm familiar with the rule. We don't use it in the IGF,
>> for various reasons, at least not since the early tense days of the MAG.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:13, Shane Kerr <shane at time-travellers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> William,
>>>
>>> At 2016-06-03 11:13:55 +0200
>>> William Drake <wjdrake at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 02:06, avri doria <avri at apc.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Chatham House style (content w/o attribution)
>>>>
>>>> In true bottom up transparent community driven IGF fashion..not.
>>>
>>> To be honest, that doesn't seem too horrible. The Chatham House rule is
>>> there for a reason:
>>>
>>> Q. What are the benefits of using the Rule?
>>>
>>> A. It allows people to speak as individuals, and to express views
>>> that may not be those of their organizations, and therefore it
>>> encourages free discussion. People usually feel more relaxed if
>>> they don't have to worry about their reputation or the implications
>>> if they are publicly quoted.
>>>
>>> https://www.chathamhouse.org/about/chatham-house-rule
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shane - speaking only for myself ;)
>>
>>
>> *************************************************************
>> William J. Drake
>> International Fellow & Lecturer
>> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>> University of Zurich, Switzerland
>> william.drake at uzh.ch (direct), wjdrake at gmail.com (lists),
>> www.williamdrake.org
>> The Working Group on Internet Governance - 10th Anniversary Reflections
>> New book at http://amzn.to/22hWZxC
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>>
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William J. Drake
International Fellow & Lecturer
Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
University of Zurich, Switzerland
william.drake at uzh.ch (direct), wjdrake at gmail.com (lists),
www.williamdrake.org
The Working Group on Internet Governance - 10th Anniversary Reflections
New book at http://amzn.to/22hWZxC
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