From willi.uebelherr at riseup.net  Wed Jun  1 01:17:37 2016
From: willi.uebelherr at riseup.net (willi uebelherr)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 01:17:37 -0400
Subject: [governance] On the death of neo-liberalism
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Dears,
not the text from the Guardian is important, more the original:

Neoliberalism: Oversold?
Finance & Development, June 2016, Vol. 53, No
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2016/06/ostry.htm

many greetings, willi


Am 31/05/2016 um 22:08 schrieb Suresh Ramasubramanian:
> The guardian does engage in fantasy at times, I see.  I haven't seen even communism die off just yet.
> --srs
>
>> On 01-Jun-2016, at 6:29 AM, Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/31/witnessing-death-neoliberalism-imf-economists?CMP=share_btn_tw
>> Soon the only place it will be surviving is in Internet Governance among the techies, corps and particularly the fellow travelling NGO’s.


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From arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr  Wed Jun  1 04:06:45 2016
From: arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr (Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo))
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 08:06:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [governance] IGF Retreat: IGC to go or not?
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 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; }  Thanks Milton,
This is an eye-opening piece which shed some lights on the way the IGF is managed and the need to solve issues in time. This should give credit to the process and ensure the MS model is followed by everyone.
Hope everyne enjoys reading this. Also hope our reps at the retreat have more issues to raise.
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On Tuesday, May 31, 2016, 9:50 PM, Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu> wrote:

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Let me recommend this blog post to put the issue of IGC’s participation in the IGF retreat into a broader perspective:
 
http://www.internetgovernance.org/2016/05/29/will-the-un-kill-the-igf/
 
  
 
--MM
 
  
 
  
 
From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org]On Behalf Of Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo)
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 5:26 PM
To: Internet Governance <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
Subject: [governance] IGF Retreat: IGC to go or not?
 
  
 
Dear listers,
 
  
 
Many of you are aware of the current call for nominations to attend an IGF Retreat scheduled to take place in July  in NY and where civil society members are requested to submit their nominations to be considered for endorsement by the CSCG.
 
  
 
A good number of our members have openly expressed their desire, suggesting CS groups not to participate in this process given a lot of irregularities that this call bears in itself (timing, venue, transparency, openess, inclusion, nature of the retreat, etc).
 
  
 
I would like to start a discussion within IGC to have your feelings if we should (as one of the 5 members of the CSCG) withdraw from the process and ask the CSCG not to nominate CS representatives or not. As per the CSCG rules and procedures, if more than 2 (out of 5 members) is against a process, this should stop.
 
  
 
Please do share your thoughts on this and explain your stand. I am not sure how we will come up with a consensus but atleast this discussion can help us for future similar situations and help us make an informed decision.
 
  
 
Should you feel we don't need to discuss this question, please disregard this email, or if you want to clarify some aspects of this email, you are more than welcome.
 
  
 
As the IGC Co-coordinator, i felt it is important to start such discussion. Note that the nomination period which was extended is closing in few days.
 
  
 
Regards,
 
A
 
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From arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr  Wed Jun  1 04:10:47 2016
From: arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr (Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo))
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 08:10:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [governance] IGF Accountability
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 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; }  I agree and fully support your last paragraph. We need more workshops in that direction for the upcoming IGF. These issues need to be brought in public so everyone is aware of them!
Thanks W!


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On Tuesday, May 31, 2016, 11:11 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:

Thx. Milton,

Here is an additional comment:

Russia for many years (since 2009) wanted to combine the WSIS Forum with the Internet Governance Forum. The argument was a "waste of ressources" and "overlapping of issues". This was rejected again and again (also by the UNCSTD IGF Improvement WFG). Ths WSIS Forum is now under control of ITU with UNGIS in the background. UNGIS has now 30 intergovernmental organisations as members. WSIS Forum 2016 looked very similar to the IGF, but with much more (high level) governmental representation. One scenario of some UN burocrats, who have a special understanding of the multistakeholder approach (governments have the lead and the  decision making capacity but "consult" with non-governmental stakeholders, as it was demonstrated with the high level meeting in December 2015) could be to put both the WSIS Forum and the IGF under the umbrella of the preparations for WSIS +20 (2025) with WSIS Forum under control of the ITU and IGF under control of the UNDESA (with UNGIS as a facilitator in the Background) as two complementary Events: The spierng Forum in Geneva and the fall Forum in the world. This would lead to a marginalization of the MAG and a castration of the multistakehooder approach.  

Let´s see what the July meetings will produce. In any case we have to start to put the issue of "IGF/MAG/UNDESA Accountability" and "IGF Independence" on the agenda for Guadalajara.

Wolfgang
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From arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr  Wed Jun  1 04:27:39 2016
From: arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr (Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo))
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 08:27:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [governance] Urgent - Final Phase: IGC workshop proposal to the
 IGF
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 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; }  Thanks A,
Your contributions are noted. Will be happy to hear from other colleagues within the next 48 hours so that we can end this process.
Regards,A
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On Tuesday, May 31, 2016, 8:03 PM, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:


Thanks Arsene for the detailed summary.

I wouldn't mind to join in person to co-organize the workshop if there's funding but if not will join remotely.

I would recommend two formats with strong support for the first one. 

   - Break out group discussions. This format could help break expert into groups in the following field financing ict, access, and knowledge  to critically discuss the involvement of civil society. I am very sure this format will leave no one behind the scene but will make all the group members to contribute. If organized properly in combination with lively elements, it will bring about lasting memory and result

   - BOF: Birds of a feather. Well, this format will only bring interested stakeholders together to discuss the proposed topic which I think it's makes people boring and less participating.

Thanks.
On May 31, 2016 12:07 PM, "Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo)" <arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr> wrote:

Dear list members,
[Apologize for a longemail. I start a new conversation to avoid confusion. For reference, please dorefer to the email thread: “IGF Workshop Proposal on behalf of the IGC”]
Thank you all for thecomments/contributions we received so far. This shows that we all are interestedin having a workshop proposal be sent on behalf of the IGC. After going throughall contributions, I found myself in a very difficult position to sum up andcome up with one proposal.
So, here are my thoughts.Please do bear with me, especially given the time constraint.
The first proposal wassuggested by Deidre: “Erosion of identityor homogenisation by internet - Is it important? Should it be prevented? Can itbe prevented? How ?”
This one has got morethan ten endorsements and for every new contribution received, I found myselfbeing more and more confused by the different aspects this proposal has initself. It looks very wide, vast for me, though covering some important facts.
Contributions made byLouis Puzin made it a bit clearer but again when commented by other colleagues,it became again more and more confusing. I fear such workshop will have lessinterest from a CS point of view, also very little connexion to SDGS. Given I ampersonally not able to understand it properly; I find it difficult for me toendorse and submit it on behalf of the IGC.
This said, I wouldsuggest this topic to be submitted by another individual member but not onbehalf of the IGC.
The second topic had few(only two recorded) and I recall Milton asking it to be more specific, havespecific issues or questions that it addresses since it appears to be general,broad and not focused. I would suggest we leave it.
The third proposal onICT4D got nearly 6 endorsements and I personally feel this is much clearer, hasa CS component in it, can easily attract participants if well prepared and withgood panelists. I am voting for it, would suggest IGC to maintain it but reframeit to make it a suitable for everyone.
The original formulation(by Akinremi) was:“ICT for development: Harnessing the role of CSfor access, finance and knowledge” 
This was then rephrasedby Remmy this way: “ICT for development: Connecting Civil Societyroles on access, finance and knowledge”
If you agree with me inkeeping this topic for the IGC as rephrased by Remmy, I will be requesting thefollowing from the group moving forward and given the time left before us:
-         To makesuggestions on how best we can rephrase this proposal (or agree on theavailable sentence),-         To advise onthe format to chose (I would suggest not a panel which is less encouraged bythe IGF Secretariat and requires a background paper),-         To let meknow if you wish to be considered as workshop co-organizer-         To let meknow if you want to be considered as speaker, moderator, remote moderator,rapporteur, etc. 
I am particularly lookingfor outstanding individuals from this group who can give credit to our proposaland who have experience in workshop organization, planning to attend in person(or remotely) the upcoming IGF.
Hope this is clear and I welcomecomments and discussion. But please bear in mind we have little time remainingand would suggest we finish this process by June 3rd to allow sometime to submit before the deadline.
Best regards,A------------------------------------------------------Arsène Tungali,IGC Co-Coordinator,
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From anriette at apc.org  Wed Jun  1 06:32:06 2016
From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 12:32:06 +0200
Subject: [governance] [JNC - Forum] On the death of neo-liberalism
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Agree completely Roberto.

Market-fundamentalist approaches to development and planning will stay
around for a long time. They fit so well with the culture of corruption
and focus on personal gain that many governments are practicing that it
will be really hard to get rid of this approach - even if it is not
explictly part of policy.

Structural adjustment which has been "dead" as far as international
financial institutions are concern is also still alive and well.

On the other hand, I don't agree with Michael Gurstein when he says:

> Soon the only place it will be surviving is in Internet Governance
among the techies, corps and particularly the fellow travelling NGO's.>

:)

Anriette


On 01/06/2016 11:28, Roberto Bissio wrote:
> oi Carlos!  Thanks for that comment. Neoliberalism is dead in theory,
> now that even the best IMF economists disown it, but alive and kicking
> in practice... just like slavery.
> 
> abraçao,
> Roberto
> 
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 3:31 AM, Carlos Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca
> <mailto:ca at cafonso.ca>> wrote:
> 
>     Just lurking in the lists lately, but I cannot help but comment on this
>     view. We are going through a putsch in Brazil by a powerful right-wing
>     coalition (big media, judiciary including the supreme court, right-wing
>     parties dominating congress) which has already succeeded in suspending
>     the current president (Mrs Rousseff) and is hastily carrying out a fully
>     neoliberal program, running against time (as Rousseff might return in
>     about 2 months) to cancel a large list of government-funded social
>     programs and giving priority to the demands of the private sector --
>     including a massive privatization of key state companies and the opening
>     of strategic resources of pre-salt oil deposits to foreign companies. It
>     is basically as if Brazil had suddenly signed the TPP while not even
>     being in the Pacific...
> 
>     If neoliberalism is dead, it is elsewhere, not here.
> 
>     fraternal regards
> 
>     --c.a.
> 
>     On 31/05/2016 21:59, Michael Gurstein wrote:
>     >
>     http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/31/witnessing-death-neolib
>     > eralism-imf-economists?CMP=share_btn_tw
>     >
>     >
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>     > Soon the only place it will be surviving is in Internet Governance among the
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From LB at lucabelli.net  Wed Jun  1 10:47:00 2016
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From gurstein at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 11:07:30 2016
From: gurstein at gmail.com (Michael Gurstein)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 08:07:30 -0700
Subject: [governance] [JNC - Forum] On the death of neo-liberalism
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I must disagree with Norbert if, as it appears, he is delinking theory from policy and policy from practice.  The theory of neo-liberalism underlies most of current professional economics.  The great debate between Marxist political economy and "classical economics" wasn't finally resolved until the collapse of the Soviet Union, when the empty husk that Marxist economics had become finally (and formally) dissolved.  This meant that there were only remnants of critiques of classical economics left and the hegemony of neo-liberalism could move directly from academe into policy where of course it found a ready environment led by the US post-war private sector led (although public sector driven and to a considerable degree financed) expansion.

 

The Washington Consensus was the formalization of the transfer of neo-liberalism from the halls of academe to the highest global policy circles with all of the malevolent results that we have seen with Structural Adjustment, the Chicago Boys, the Colonels and the Generals etc. etc. 

 

So while the apparent collapse of the "policy" doesn't translate directly into a collapse of the "practice" (and even less a collapse of the "theory") -- as someone pointed out the practice is now extremely deeply embedded in all aspects of the economy, cultural practice, academic discourse, localized political ideologies and so on;  it is important because it removes a central element of the edifice which in the long run means that the superstructures are much more easily resistible and attackable. 

 

Of course, that doesn't provide much comfort to the Brazilians or others where there is a resurgence of bare knuckle neo-liberal political practice (and where Dilma’s barely concealed acceptance of the neo-liberal hegemony in the Internet among other areas has left her and her supporters without a firm ideological (or practical) foundation to move forward).  But what it does do, and this is I think is of direct relevance for us here, is that it opens up the policy space for continuing critique (if the high priests of the IMF say that it doesn't work how can the more humble friars in the IGF etc. keep spouting that nonsense).  

 

More importantly and this I think is our task and responsibility (of course shared with others), there is now (potentially) a vacuum where the neo-liberal/market fundamentalist policy apparatus used to dominate which is waiting expectantly to be filled.

 

It is thus (following Parminder) our job (and opportunity) to attack the neo-liberal hydra where ever it confronts us and of equal importance it is our job (cf. Annriette) to deny opportunities to those who would for their own purposes continue the charade.

 

To bore everyone with repetition but to contextualize the above discussion I need only point to my recent interactions re: the Alliance for an Affordable Internet <https://gurstein.wordpress.com/2016/04/05/the-a4ai-discussion-a-summation/>  (endorsed by a wide range of significant civil society actors among others including APC and the WebFoundation) whose explicit goal was to impose a neo-liberal Internet policy apparatus on the range of Less Developed Countries in the name of "conquering the Digital Divide".   What the astonishing about face from the IMF does is to open up a policy space for a critique of the A4AI while throwing into sharp relief the ultimate significance of what presumably was a casual and formalistic (at least from some) set of sign-ons by civil society and raise the question of why, once the underlying nature of the A4AI exercise has been made clear, there appears to have been no change in these endorsements.

 

It also of course, presents us with the challenge to develop an alternative set of policies re: broadening access to the Internet in opposition to those from the neo-liberal hegemonists, something where I should, add the JNC (and Community Informatics) has made useful beginnings.

 

M

 

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Sent: June 1, 2016 2:56 AM
To: Roberto Bissio <rbissio at item.org.uy>
Cc: Internet governance related discussions <forum at justnetcoalition.org>
Subject: Re: [JNC - Forum] On the death of neo-liberalism

 

Indeed. Alas neoliberalism has never been driven by theory, it has always been driven by greed with the theory being just an attempt to justify / sugar-coat it. Also in this respect it's just like slavery.

 

Greetings,

Norbert

 

 

On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 11:28:34 +0200

Roberto Bissio < <mailto:rbissio at item.org.uy> rbissio at item.org.uy> wrote:

 

> oi Carlos!  Thanks for that comment. Neoliberalism is dead in theory, 

> now that even the best IMF economists disown it, but alive and kicking 

> in practice... just like slavery.

> 

> abraçao,

> Roberto

> 

> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 3:31 AM, Carlos Afonso < <mailto:ca at cafonso.ca> ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:

> 

> > Just lurking in the lists lately, but I cannot help but comment on 

> > this view. We are going through a putsch in Brazil by a powerful 

> > right-wing coalition (big media, judiciary including the supreme 

> > court, right-wing parties dominating congress) which has already 

> > succeeded in suspending the current president (Mrs Rousseff) and is 

> > hastily carrying out a fully neoliberal program, running against 

> > time (as Rousseff might return in about 2 months) to cancel a large 

> > list of government-funded social programs and giving priority to the 

> > demands of the private sector -- including a massive privatization 

> > of key state companies and the opening of strategic resources of 

> > pre-salt oil deposits to foreign companies. It is basically as if 

> > Brazil had suddenly signed the TPP while not even being in the 

> > Pacific...

> >

> > If neoliberalism is dead, it is elsewhere, not here.

> >

> > fraternal regards

> >

> > --c.a.

> >

> > On 31/05/2016 21:59, Michael Gurstein wrote:

> > >

> >  <http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/31/witnessing-deat> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/31/witnessing-deat

> > h-neolib

> > > eralism-imf-economists?CMP=share_btn_tw

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Soon the only place it will be surviving is in Internet Governance 

> > > among

> > the

> > > techies, corps and particularly the fellow travelling NGO's.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > M

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From milton at gatech.edu  Wed Jun  1 12:11:58 2016
From: milton at gatech.edu (Mueller, Milton L)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 16:11:58 +0000
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-
> request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Anriette Esterhuysen
> 
> Market-fundamentalist approaches to development and planning will stay
> around for a long time. They fit so well with the culture of corruption and
> focus on personal gain that many governments are practicing that it will be
> really hard to get rid of this approach - even if it is not explictly part of policy.

This is not a very accurate statement, Anriette

Corruption is strongly associated with state-control and licensing of industries. Take a look at Brazil's current drama with its state-owned oil company. Or, worse, Venezuela. Entities not subject to the discipline of market forces are far more likely to rely on privilege and corruption to get things done. 

It's odd that you call market liberalism "market fundamentalism." While it is true that some simple-minded folks turned liberal political economy into a formula/dogma, sometimes misapplied, what I see MUCH more often is that opposition to market forces among certain civil society groups is religious and fundamentalist. It is knee-jerk and not based on any empirical facts or understanding of economics. 

At any rate it's hard to argue with the record of liberalization in telecommunications and information. Unless you want to go back to those wonderful days of state-owned monopolies, 2% penetration and 4 year waiting lists for a line. The state-owned PTT is the epitome of a non-neoliberal approach so I hope you are willing to stand up for that paradigm or if not, bite the bullet and admit that a competitive market economy has much to offer for development 

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From gurstein at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 13:10:14 2016
From: gurstein at gmail.com (Michael Gurstein)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 10:10:14 -0700
Subject: [governance] [JNC - Forum] On the death of neo-liberalism
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Clearly there was a need in the telecom sector to clear out the cobwebs (and the corruption) particularly given the technology innovation which was happening at the time.

 

However, the question is whether there was the need for the cookie-cutter neo-liberal approach to how it would be done and particularly how the sometimes nascent, sometimes real social benefits of telecom might be translated from the PTT era to the liberalized telecom era.

 

I've never seen this documented (a MA or Ph.D. topic for someone?) but it has been quite clear based on my direct experience with post PTT telecom policies in perhaps a dozen countries that the policy apparatus implemented at the insistence of the World Bank was directly of the A4AI persuasion <https://gurstein.wordpress.com/2016/04/05/the-a4ai-discussion-a-summation/>  i.e. a neo-liberal package wrapped up in high-faluttin social contribution rhetoric.

 

The reality is that virtually all of the LDC's with which I had contact were effectively tied up in knots because of the way the privatization policies had been written (presumably by one WB designated law/consulting firm).  In every instance a portion of telecom revenues (sometimes gross sometimes (after convoluted calculations) net) were directed to be made available for extending telecom service -- as designated Universal Service programs.  However, these policies were written in such a way that these designated revenues rather than being made available to the state for utilization for this purpose were rather defined as revenues of the telco's which they were graciously making available for social benefit under state direction.  What that has meant in practice is that the telco's have a veto on how this money is spent even though they have no knowledge or interest in achieving any such social benefits.  Note that we are talking about very large sums of money into the $hundreds of millions and even low billions USD in some cases.

 

The result of this neo-liberalized mess is that in many cases the money cannot even be spent, or if spent is being spent on useless marketing efforts as defined by the telcos, or spent to subsidize additional infrastructure where either no additional infrastructure is necessary or where it simply is a substitute for a commercially justifiable infrastructure.

 

I can't answer whether or how much "a competitive market economy has ... to offer for development" but I do know that the activities of a neo-lib dominated WB made precious little contribution to resolving issues of digital exclusion in much of the LDC world through its imposed privatization program.

 

M

 

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> -----Original Message-----

> From:  <mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org> governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance- 

>  <mailto:request at lists.igcaucus.org> request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Anriette Esterhuysen

> 

> Market-fundamentalist approaches to development and planning will stay 

> around for a long time. They fit so well with the culture of 

> corruption and focus on personal gain that many governments are 

> practicing that it will be really hard to get rid of this approach - even if it is not explictly part of policy.

 

This is not a very accurate statement, Anriette

 

Corruption is strongly associated with state-control and licensing of industries. Take a look at Brazil's current drama with its state-owned oil company. Or, worse, Venezuela. Entities not subject to the discipline of market forces are far more likely to rely on privilege and corruption to get things done. 

 

It's odd that you call market liberalism "market fundamentalism." While it is true that some simple-minded folks turned liberal political economy into a formula/dogma, sometimes misapplied, what I see MUCH more often is that opposition to market forces among certain civil society groups is religious and fundamentalist. It is knee-jerk and not based on any empirical facts or understanding of economics. 

 

At any rate it's hard to argue with the record of liberalization in telecommunications and information. Unless you want to go back to those wonderful days of state-owned monopolies, 2% penetration and 4 year waiting lists for a line. The state-owned PTT is the epitome of a non-neoliberal approach so I hope you are willing to stand up for that paradigm or if not, bite the bullet and admit that a competitive market economy has much to offer for development 

 

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From willi.uebelherr at riseup.net  Wed Jun  1 15:26:48 2016
From: willi.uebelherr at riseup.net (willi uebelherr)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 15:26:48 -0400
Subject: [governance] On the death of neo-liberalism
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Dear Milton,

because you wrote:
"At any rate it's hard to argue with the record of liberalization in 
telecommunications and information. Unless you want to go back to those 
wonderful days of state-owned monopolies, 2% penetration and 4 year 
waiting lists for a line. The state-owned PTT is the epitome of a 
non-neoliberal approach so I hope you are willing to stand up for that 
paradigm or if not, bite the bullet and admit that a competitive market 
economy has much to offer for development"

You don't see the real alternative. Not state or private market are the 
alternatives. That are the same. The community networks are the alternative.

We have a clear perspective:
"From a technical standpoint, the original shared vision guiding the 
Internet’s development was that every device on the Internet should be 
able to exchange data packets with any other device that was willing to 
receive them."

Future of the Internet Initiative White Paper
Internet Fragmentation: An Overview
Vinton Cerf, William Drake, Wolfgang Kleinwaechter
http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_FII_Internet_Fragmentation_An_Overview_2016.pdf

With a private market or state control it is impossible. And also 
impossible is the development of our technical systems for that with 
this two actors. Because, they don't like this perspectives. Only the 
people, activ in her local community networks, can realize it.

many greetings, willi
Manaus, Brasil


Am 01/06/2016 um 12:11 schrieb Mueller, Milton L:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-
>> request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Anriette Esterhuysen
>>
>> Market-fundamentalist approaches to development and planning will stay
>> around for a long time. They fit so well with the culture of corruption and
>> focus on personal gain that many governments are practicing that it will be
>> really hard to get rid of this approach - even if it is not explictly part of policy.
>
> This is not a very accurate statement, Anriette
>
> Corruption is strongly associated with state-control and licensing of industries. Take a look at Brazil's current drama with its state-owned oil company. Or, worse, Venezuela. Entities not subject to the discipline of market forces are far more likely to rely on privilege and corruption to get things done.
>
> It's odd that you call market liberalism "market fundamentalism." While it is true that some simple-minded folks turned liberal political economy into a formula/dogma, sometimes misapplied, what I see MUCH more often is that opposition to market forces among certain civil society groups is religious and fundamentalist. It is knee-jerk and not based on any empirical facts or understanding of economics.
>
> At any rate it's hard to argue with the record of liberalization in telecommunications and information. Unless you want to go back to those wonderful days of state-owned monopolies, 2% penetration and 4 year waiting lists for a line. The state-owned PTT is the epitome of a non-neoliberal approach so I hope you are willing to stand up for that paradigm or if not, bite the bullet and admit that a competitive market economy has much to offer for development
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From bzs at theworld.com  Wed Jun  1 16:00:32 2016
From: bzs at theworld.com (bzs at theworld.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 16:00:32 -0400
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A lot neo-liberalism, other than from some idealistic types, amounts
to selling austerity policies while not seriously proposing any
lowering of taxes or govt spending though lip service to this is often
given.

It appeals to those who have "better" uses for large govt budgets,
such as military adventures either for ideological reasons or
self-enrichment, or just outright corruption.

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From anriette at apc.org  Wed Jun  1 18:29:37 2016
From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen)
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Agree with both Michael and Milton, at least in part.

Milton, it is true that state-control and state-owned enterprises are
associated with corruption. But it is often the privatisation of these
enterprises that escalates this corruption. And it is competition for
government contracts by private sector actors that oils the day to day
bribes and pay backs that is so prevalent in large parts of the world.

You say:  "Entities not subject to the discipline of market forces are
far more likely to rely on privilege and corruption to get things done."

Yes, this can be true. But it is also true that the "discipline of
market forces" includes being good at being corrupt and getting away
with it. When people are brought to justice it is often the corrupt
civil servants at the receiving end. It is rare for the corporate actors
who keep the cash flowing to get into trouble.

But I am not suggestion that statist model are necessarily less corrupt.

I also don't equate market fundamentalism and market liberalism at all.
That was not my intention or my understanding.

I personally don't like the term neo-liberal as it is relies on prior
ideological positions in a very broad brush stroke sort of way.

Market liberalism, if well regulated in the public interest, can be a
positive force and I do believe in the value of competition in many
contexts.

I use the term 'market fundamentalism' because that is what I see in
development discourse being pushed on many developing country
governments. It is an approach which asserts that open markets and free
trade will produce economic growth and opportunity, and that economic
growth will eliminate poverty.

Michael, there is quite a bit of research on how telecoms liberalisation
worked in some ways, but also not in others. Can look for references.
Sean O Siochru would also be able to provide links.

In many countries, including South Africa, the problem was that
privatisation took place before liberalisation - so state-owned
monopolies were replaced by private monopolies or duopoloies and the
competition that was supposed to drive investment and bring costs down
simply did not take place, not for a long time. Some markets are still
not competitive.

I would say the primary reason for Universal Service Funds not being
well-spent however is lack of policy vision and capacity within the
public sector itself, rather than restrictions imposed by operators who
pay license fees. And also really poor foresight... e.g. the condition
to use universal service funds to extend fixed line infrastructure at a
time when the mobile revolution was happening. Those funds should have
been redefined a long long time ago. It is public sector actors -
regulators and policy makers that are to blame for this not happening in
many places. And high license fees serves as barrier to diversifying
ownership and control and  makes it rally hard for smaller companies who
have to compete with large multinationals.

I would not advocate at all for a return to government owned monopolies
in the telecoms sector. But a lot of opportunity to create open access
public infrastructure, or to make use of infrastructure sharing, and
locally driven and owned community networks was lost in how this drive
to privatise and liberalise communications took place.

Anriette



On 01/06/2016 19:10, Michael Gurstein wrote:
> Clearly there was a need in the telecom sector to clear out the cobwebs
> (and the corruption) particularly given the technology innovation which
> was happening at the time.
> 
>  
> 
> However, the question is whether there was the need for the
> cookie-cutter neo-liberal approach to how it would be done and
> particularly how the sometimes nascent, sometimes real social benefits
> of telecom might be translated from the PTT era to the liberalized
> telecom era.
> 
>  
> 
> I've never seen this documented (a MA or Ph.D. topic for someone?) but
> it has been quite clear based on my direct experience with post PTT
> telecom policies in perhaps a dozen countries that the policy apparatus
> implemented at the insistence of the World Bank was directly of the A4AI
> persuasion
> <https://gurstein.wordpress.com/2016/04/05/the-a4ai-discussion-a-summation/>
> i.e. a neo-liberal package wrapped up in high-faluttin social
> contribution rhetoric.
> 
>  
> 
> The reality is that virtually all of the LDC's with which I had contact
> were effectively tied up in knots because of the way the privatization
> policies had been written (presumably by one WB designated
> law/consulting firm).  In every instance a portion of telecom revenues
> (sometimes gross sometimes (after convoluted calculations) net) were
> directed to be made available for extending telecom service -- as
> designated Universal Service programs.  However, these policies were
> written in such a way that these designated revenues rather than being
> made available to the state for utilization for this purpose were rather
> defined as revenues of the telco's which they were graciously making
> available for social benefit under state direction.  What that has meant
> in practice is that the telco's have a veto on how this money is spent
> even though they have no knowledge or interest in achieving any such
> social benefits.  Note that we are talking about very large sums of
> money into the $hundreds of millions and even low billions USD in some
> cases.
> 
>  
> 
> The result of this neo-liberalized mess is that in many cases the money
> cannot even be spent, or if spent is being spent on useless marketing
> efforts as defined by the telcos, or spent to subsidize additional
> infrastructure where either no additional infrastructure is necessary or
> where it simply is a substitute for a commercially justifiable
> infrastructure.
> 
>  
> 
> I can't answer whether or how much "a competitive market economy has ...
> to offer for development" but I do know that the activities of a neo-lib
> dominated WB made precious little contribution to resolving issues of
> digital exclusion in much of the LDC world through its imposed
> privatization program.
> 
>  
> 
> M
> 
>  
> 
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> 
>>
> 
>> Market-fundamentalist approaches to development and planning will stay
> 
>> around for a long time. They fit so well with the culture of
> 
>> corruption and focus on personal gain that many governments are
> 
>> practicing that it will be really hard to get rid of this approach -
> even if it is not explictly part of policy.
> 
>  
> 
> This is not a very accurate statement, Anriette
> 
>  
> 
> Corruption is strongly associated with state-control and licensing of
> industries. Take a look at Brazil's current drama with its state-owned
> oil company. Or, worse, Venezuela. Entities not subject to the
> discipline of market forces are far more likely to rely on privilege and
> corruption to get things done.
> 
>  
> 
> It's odd that you call market liberalism "market fundamentalism." While
> it is true that some simple-minded folks turned liberal political
> economy into a formula/dogma, sometimes misapplied, what I see MUCH more
> often is that opposition to market forces among certain civil society
> groups is religious and fundamentalist. It is knee-jerk and not based on
> any empirical facts or understanding of economics.
> 
>  
> 
> At any rate it's hard to argue with the record of liberalization in
> telecommunications and information. Unless you want to go back to those
> wonderful days of state-owned monopolies, 2% penetration and 4 year
> waiting lists for a line. The state-owned PTT is the epitome of a
> non-neoliberal approach so I hope you are willing to stand up for that
> paradigm or if not, bite the bullet and admit that a competitive market
> economy has much to offer for development
> 
>  
> 

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From suresh at hserus.net  Wed Jun  1 20:59:33 2016
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 06:29:33 +0530
Subject: [governance] [JNC - Forum] On the death of neo-liberalism
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References: <010001d1bba0$e10ca9c0$a325fd40$@gmail.com> <574E3AFD.5070006@cafonso.ca> <CAArNAf5ReXRM14H-kyxXnvbg9VSQqDpHsN1RRa7ZU+7vbZrO_A@mail.gmail.com> <574EB9A6.4090901@apc.org> <BY2PR07MB240807D8F5CD879CE8D34C77A1470@BY2PR07MB2408.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> <00af01d1bc28$76deed50$649cc7f0$@gmail.com> <574F61D1.5030501@apc.org>
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Please don't confuse market liberalism with laissez faire, to borrow an old and rather overused term.   Any sort of market whatsoever is subject to regulation and taxation and is also subject to national laws against cartelization, corruption etc

--srs

> On 02-Jun-2016, at 3:59 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> wrote:
> 
> Market liberalism, if well regulated in the public interest, can be a
> positive force and I do believe in the value of competition in many
> contexts.


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From willi.uebelherr at riseup.net  Wed Jun  1 21:56:58 2016
From: willi.uebelherr at riseup.net (willi uebelherr)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 21:56:58 -0400
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Dear Suresh,

the real question is, do we need a market? Or can we create, what we
need, directly?

Every market have some conditions. We never can compare this market
propagandism today with that, was people in some rural environments
today and in our history organized.

But always we have to look, who are the actors, with what intentions and
under what conditions.

That Anriette glorified market strategies, i don't understand. That you
do it, i understand.

many greetings, willi
Manaus, Brasil


Am 01/06/2016 um 20:59 schrieb Suresh Ramasubramanian:
> Please don't confuse market liberalism with laissez faire, to borrow an old and rather overused term.   Any sort of market whatsoever is subject to regulation and taxation and is also subject to national laws against cartelization, corruption etc
>
> --srs
>
>> On 02-Jun-2016, at 3:59 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> wrote:
>>
>> Market liberalism, if well regulated in the public interest, can be a
>> positive force and I do believe in the value of competition in many
>> contexts.
>

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From gurstein at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 22:54:42 2016
From: gurstein at gmail.com (Michael Gurstein)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 19:54:42 -0700
Subject: [governance] Thai Internet laws will break the Thai Internet (and
 maybe a lot more
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http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/993937/internet-laws-a-time-bomb

 

 

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From suresh at hserus.net  Wed Jun  1 23:20:03 2016
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 08:50:03 +0530
Subject: [governance] On the death of neo-liberalism
In-Reply-To: <e692cc28-f5ba-87d0-a6ec-22367fbb6035@riseup.net>
References: <010001d1bba0$e10ca9c0$a325fd40$@gmail.com> <574E3AFD.5070006@cafonso.ca> <CAArNAf5ReXRM14H-kyxXnvbg9VSQqDpHsN1RRa7ZU+7vbZrO_A@mail.gmail.com> <574EB9A6.4090901@apc.org> <BY2PR07MB240807D8F5CD879CE8D34C77A1470@BY2PR07MB2408.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> <00af01d1bc28$76deed50$649cc7f0$@gmail.com> <574F61D1.5030501@apc.org> <6E864EF7-3752-4F02-9DA1-A25B933A786C@hserus.net> <e692cc28-f5ba-87d0-a6ec-22367fbb6035@riseup.net>
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Most people need and even depend on a market economy in day to day life, leave alone the Internet.

Unless you'd rather grow your own corn and cotton, cook over a fire of deadwood started by two flints, shoot animals with a home made bow and arrow for your meat and clothing / footwear etc.

The Internet is an intersection of several market economies and the economics of these are fascinating. There are a variety of papers on this and even some formal university economics courses include it.

--srs

> On 02-Jun-2016, at 7:26 AM, willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear Suresh,
> 
> the real question is, do we need a market? Or can we create, what we
> need, directly?
> 
> Every market have some conditions. We never can compare this market
> propagandism today with that, was people in some rural environments
> today and in our history organized.
> 
> But always we have to look, who are the actors, with what intentions and
> under what conditions.
> 
> That Anriette glorified market strategies, i don't understand. That you
> do it, i understand.
> 
> many greetings, willi
> Manaus, Brasil
> 
> 
>> Am 01/06/2016 um 20:59 schrieb Suresh Ramasubramanian:
>> Please don't confuse market liberalism with laissez faire, to borrow an old and rather overused term.   Any sort of market whatsoever is subject to regulation and taxation and is also subject to national laws against cartelization, corruption etc
>> 
>> --srs
>> 
>>> On 02-Jun-2016, at 3:59 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Market liberalism, if well regulated in the public interest, can be a
>>> positive force and I do believe in the value of competition in many
>>> contexts.
> 
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From bzs at theworld.com  Thu Jun  2 03:46:41 2016
From: bzs at theworld.com (bzs at theworld.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 03:46:41 -0400
Subject: [governance] [JNC - Forum] On the death of neo-liberalism
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We broke up the AT&T monopoly in the US and now, for example, 4
companies (Verizon, AT&T barely related other than in name, T-Mobile,
Sprint) account for probably 90+% of the smart phone market.

"The top 5 wireless telecommunications facilities-based service
providers by subscriber count in the United States are:

  Verizon Wireless: 141.4 million (Q1 2016)
  AT&T Mobility: 130.4 million (Q1 2016)
  T-Mobile US: 65.5 million (Q1 2016)
  Sprint Corporation: 58.8 million (Q1 2016)
  U.S. Cellular: 4.9 million (Q1 2016)"

  source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_wireless_communications_service_providers

I include #5 to show how it's less than 10% of #4 and compared to the
top 4 taken together #5 accounts for 1% market share.

For last-mile internet most people have a choice of Verizon or whoever
their regional telco is, Comcast, or a very few others also mostly by
region, two maybe three per region, other than some tiny players
(Hughes Satellite anyone?)

I suppose one could argue that having two or three choices is better
than just one but it doesn't strike me as some grand victory of market
competition.

Here in Boston if I want more than fairly stodgy DSL, a few mb/s, my
choice is: One. Comcast. End of choices. Other than commercial service
running closer to US$1,000/month, entry.

The word oligopoly comes to mind, with regional monopolies.

There's a bit more competition in wired office buildings in business
districts tho not often within one wired office building. It gets
complicated due to reselling etc., you might have a contract with RCN
which is just renting and reselling fiber from Verizon, for example.

We can imagine some sort of competitive market and how wonderful it
would be but there isn't much in existence largely due to the capital
requirements of cable infrastructure, rights of way, cell tower
licensing, legacy, cross-subsidization, etc -- the same old
problems. And of course protective regulation.

Perhaps it's different in other countries but I'm not even sure what
the point of this discussion is. We might as well be talking about the
virtues of unicorn racing which likely would also benefit from more
than one unicorn in the race. Who's to argue?

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From jac at apcwomen.org  Thu Jun  2 03:51:03 2016
From: jac at apcwomen.org (Jac sm Kee)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 15:51:03 +0800
Subject: [governance] Brief update on MAG meeting on IGF retreat
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Hello everyone,

Sharing a brief update from the MAG meeting discussing the retreat last
night.

The concerns around short timeline, problematics around representation
and participation, interest in knowing about content as well as outputs
of the process, broad participation were raised also in the meeting.

Some suggestions were put forth to address some of this, in summary:

* That the retreat not be seen as something that makes decisions, but
rather the start of articulating the process for a strategic plan. So
part of the "journey" of IGF improvements that has begun many years ago,
with the opportunity of a 10 year mandate
* That an open process be provided for inputs to shape the agenda
(including e.g. CSTD recommednaitons, WSIS + 10 doc)
* Remote participation in some way is important to promote transparency
and participation, and the need to balance this against smaller space
for brainstorming work as forwarded by some (live tweeting, remote
participation at some point every day)
* That outputs be open for comments and inputs by everyone
* That there be clarity around what happens next with these outputs -
roles and responsibilities
* And that recommendations and suggestions on how to make the retreat
work is open for consultation and inputs

I think that's it. May have missed out on some, but hope this gives a
gist of the conversation. Also happy to bring any further thoughts or
recommendations to the MAG space.

j

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On 01/06/2016 18:23, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
> On 06/01/2016 07:03 AM, Chat Garcia Ramilo wrote:
>> Therefore, I'd like to encourage you all to send us your nominees. If
>> you have other issues to raise please share them as well.
> 
> 
> One issue, that maybe is a bit late to raise by now is that doing this
> meeting in the USA is a poor choice. The visa process is difficult, time
> consuming and expensive to people in many countries.
> 
> This in combination with the short notice and lack of preliminary
> discussion... is a bad combination.
> 
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From bzs at theworld.com  Thu Jun  2 03:53:21 2016
From: bzs at theworld.com (bzs at theworld.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 03:53:21 -0400
Subject: [governance] Thai Internet laws will break the Thai Internet
 (and maybe a lot more
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On June 1, 2016 at 19:54 gurstein at gmail.com (Michael Gurstein) wrote:
 > http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/993937/internet-laws-a-time-bomb

Yes, the problem with "multistakeholderism".

How many divisions does ICANN (et al) have?

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From arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr  Thu Jun  2 04:20:38 2016
From: arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr (Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo))
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 08:20:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [governance] Brief update on MAG meeting on IGF retreat
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 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; }  Dear Jac,
Thanks for this summary. 
I have a quick question: whose recommendations are these? I would love instead to hear what DESA has to say about the issues raised (hopefully by MAG members or participants to the call).
Oh i understand, maybe these are recommendations from the MAG to DESA? If yes, forget about the first paragrah of this email.
Thanks,A
---------------------Arsene Tungali,IGC Co-coordinator at arsenebaguma+243 993810967 (DRCongo)Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone (excuse typos and brievity)


On Thursday, June 2, 2016, 9:51 AM, Jac sm Kee <jac at apcwomen.org> wrote:

Hello everyone,

Sharing a brief update from the MAG meeting discussing the retreat last
night.

The concerns around short timeline, problematics around representation
and participation, interest in knowing about content as well as outputs
of the process, broad participation were raised also in the meeting.

Some suggestions were put forth to address some of this, in summary:

* That the retreat not be seen as something that makes decisions, but
rather the start of articulating the process for a strategic plan. So
part of the "journey" of IGF improvements that has begun many years ago,
with the opportunity of a 10 year mandate
* That an open process be provided for inputs to shape the agenda
(including e.g. CSTD recommednaitons, WSIS + 10 doc)
* Remote participation in some way is important to promote transparency
and participation, and the need to balance this against smaller space
for brainstorming work as forwarded by some (live tweeting, remote
participation at some point every day)
* That outputs be open for comments and inputs by everyone
* That there be clarity around what happens next with these outputs -
roles and responsibilities
* And that recommendations and suggestions on how to make the retreat
work is open for consultation and inputs

I think that's it. May have missed out on some, but hope this gives a
gist of the conversation. Also happy to bring any further thoughts or
recommendations to the MAG space.

j

---------------------------------
Jac sm Kee
Manager, Women's Rights Programme
Association for Progressive Communications
Association for Progressive Communications | Internet for social justice and sustainable development 
  
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On 01/06/2016 18:23, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
> On 06/01/2016 07:03 AM, Chat Garcia Ramilo wrote:
>> Therefore, I'd like to encourage you all to send us your nominees. If
>> you have other issues to raise please share them as well.
> 
> 
> One issue, that maybe is a bit late to raise by now is that doing this
> meeting in the USA is a poor choice. The visa process is difficult, time
> consuming and expensive to people in many countries.
> 
> This in combination with the short notice and lack of preliminary
> discussion... is a bad combination.
> 
> 
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From parminder at itforchange.net  Thu Jun  2 04:32:50 2016
From: parminder at itforchange.net (parminder)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 14:02:50 +0530
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Brief update on MAG meeting on IGF
 retreat
In-Reply-To: <337c8fa3-1159-f0b2-cdb8-f43aa6981145@apcwomen.org>
References: <f1d35647-9bcf-1282-0521-15487f2e4aa5@apcwomen.org>
 <337c8fa3-1159-f0b2-cdb8-f43aa6981145@apcwomen.org>
Message-ID: <574FEF32.1010108@itforchange.net>

Thanks Jac

Do we know if it is strictly a UNDESA owned, funded and run event, or is
it co-funded? Are there any other principals here than UNDESA? Or is it
really a fully UN event, like UN agencies do hold once in a while? The
fact that they are not using UN facilities in NY but are meeting outside
does partly fuel my stated curiosity. thanks, parminder


On Thursday 02 June 2016 01:21 PM, Jac sm Kee wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> Sharing a brief update from the MAG meeting discussing the retreat last
> night.
>
> The concerns around short timeline, problematics around representation
> and participation, interest in knowing about content as well as outputs
> of the process, broad participation were raised also in the meeting.
>
> Some suggestions were put forth to address some of this, in summary:
>
> * That the retreat not be seen as something that makes decisions, but
> rather the start of articulating the process for a strategic plan. So
> part of the "journey" of IGF improvements that has begun many years ago,
> with the opportunity of a 10 year mandate
> * That an open process be provided for inputs to shape the agenda
> (including e.g. CSTD recommednaitons, WSIS + 10 doc)
> * Remote participation in some way is important to promote transparency
> and participation, and the need to balance this against smaller space
> for brainstorming work as forwarded by some (live tweeting, remote
> participation at some point every day)
> * That outputs be open for comments and inputs by everyone
> * That there be clarity around what happens next with these outputs -
> roles and responsibilities
> * And that recommendations and suggestions on how to make the retreat
> work is open for consultation and inputs
>
> I think that's it. May have missed out on some, but hope this gives a
> gist of the conversation. Also happy to bring any further thoughts or
> recommendations to the MAG space.
>
> j
>
> ---------------------------------
> Jac sm Kee
> Manager, Women's Rights Programme
> Association for Progressive Communications
> www.apc.org | www.takebackthetech.net | erotics.apc.org
> Jitsi: jacsmk | Skype: jacsmk | Twitter: @jhybe
>
> On 01/06/2016 18:23, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
>> On 06/01/2016 07:03 AM, Chat Garcia Ramilo wrote:
>>> Therefore, I'd like to encourage you all to send us your nominees. If
>>> you have other issues to raise please share them as well.
>>
>> One issue, that maybe is a bit late to raise by now is that doing this
>> meeting in the USA is a poor choice. The visa process is difficult, time
>> consuming and expensive to people in many countries.
>>
>> This in combination with the short notice and lack of preliminary
>> discussion... is a bad combination.
>>
>>
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Thu Jun  2 06:11:34 2016
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (williams.deirdre at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2016 06:11:34 -0400
Subject: [governance] Brief update on MAG meeting on IGF retreat
In-Reply-To: <337c8fa3-1159-f0b2-cdb8-f43aa6981145@apcwomen.org>
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Dear Jac,
Thank you. Very helpful
De

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
  Original Message  
From: Jac sm Kee
Sent: Thursday, 2 June 2016 03:51
To: Governance; <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
Reply To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
Subject: [governance] Brief update on MAG meeting on IGF retreat

Hello everyone,

Sharing a brief update from the MAG meeting discussing the retreat last
night.

The concerns around short timeline, problematics around representation
and participation, interest in knowing about content as well as outputs
of the process, broad participation were raised also in the meeting.

Some suggestions were put forth to address some of this, in summary:

* That the retreat not be seen as something that makes decisions, but
rather the start of articulating the process for a strategic plan. So
part of the "journey" of IGF improvements that has begun many years ago,
with the opportunity of a 10 year mandate
* That an open process be provided for inputs to shape the agenda
(including e.g. CSTD recommednaitons, WSIS + 10 doc)
* Remote participation in some way is important to promote transparency
and participation, and the need to balance this against smaller space
for brainstorming work as forwarded by some (live tweeting, remote
participation at some point every day)
* That outputs be open for comments and inputs by everyone
* That there be clarity around what happens next with these outputs -
roles and responsibilities
* And that recommendations and suggestions on how to make the retreat
work is open for consultation and inputs

I think that's it. May have missed out on some, but hope this gives a
gist of the conversation. Also happy to bring any further thoughts or
recommendations to the MAG space.

j

---------------------------------
Jac sm Kee
Manager, Women's Rights Programme
Association for Progressive Communications
www.apc.org | www.takebackthetech.net | erotics.apc.org
Jitsi: jacsmk | Skype: jacsmk | Twitter: @jhybe

On 01/06/2016 18:23, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
> On 06/01/2016 07:03 AM, Chat Garcia Ramilo wrote:
>> Therefore, I'd like to encourage you all to send us your nominees. If
>> you have other issues to raise please share them as well.
> 
> 
> One issue, that maybe is a bit late to raise by now is that doing this
> meeting in the USA is a poor choice. The visa process is difficult, time
> consuming and expensive to people in many countries.
> 
> This in combination with the short notice and lack of preliminary
> discussion... is a bad combination.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jlfullsack at orange.fr  Thu Jun  2 06:30:16 2016
From: jlfullsack at orange.fr (Jean-Louis FULLSACK)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 12:30:16 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [governance] On the death of neo-liberalism
In-Reply-To: <574E3AFD.5070006@cafonso.ca>
References: <010001d1bba0$e10ca9c0$a325fd40$@gmail.com>
 <574E3AFD.5070006@cafonso.ca>
Message-ID: <674805122.5537.1464863416778.JavaMail.www@wwinf2218>

Alas, Carlos, You are right ! Poor Brazil, once the hope in "merging" for a lot of DCs.

 

Best

 

Jean-Louius Fullsack

 

 

 

 

> Message du 01/06/16 03:31
> De : "Carlos Afonso" 
> A : governance at lists.igcaucus.org, "Michael Gurstein" , "Forum at Justnetcoalition. Org" 
> Copie à : 
> Objet : Re: [governance] On the death of neo-liberalism
> 
> Just lurking in the lists lately, but I cannot help but comment on this
> view. We are going through a putsch in Brazil by a powerful right-wing
> coalition (big media, judiciary including the supreme court, right-wing
> parties dominating congress) which has already succeeded in suspending
> the current president (Mrs Rousseff) and is hastily carrying out a fully
> neoliberal program, running against time (as Rousseff might return in
> about 2 months) to cancel a large list of government-funded social
> programs and giving priority to the demands of the private sector --
> including a massive privatization of key state companies and the opening
> of strategic resources of pre-salt oil deposits to foreign companies. It
> is basically as if Brazil had suddenly signed the TPP while not even
> being in the Pacific...
> 
> If neoliberalism is dead, it is elsewhere, not here.
> 
> fraternal regards
> 
> --c.a.
> 
> On 31/05/2016 21:59, Michael Gurstein wrote:
> > http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/31/witnessing-death-neolib
> > eralism-imf-economists?CMP=share_btn_tw
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Soon the only place it will be surviving is in Internet Governance among the
> > techies, corps and particularly the fellow travelling NGO's.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > M
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From raquino at gmail.com  Thu Jun  2 07:21:22 2016
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 08:21:22 -0300
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Brief update on MAG meeting on IGF
 retreat
In-Reply-To: <574FEF32.1010108@itforchange.net>
References: <f1d35647-9bcf-1282-0521-15487f2e4aa5@apcwomen.org>
 <337c8fa3-1159-f0b2-cdb8-f43aa6981145@apcwomen.org> <574FEF32.1010108@itforchange.net>
Message-ID: <CAMokdMxcVopLPGn6bTaXHEcXermEsjO7-COTknqm6dpertyTsw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Parminder

Up to now, the meeting has been presented at the MAG as an UNDESA
organized event.

Best,

Renata

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:32 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
> Thanks Jac
>
> Do we know if it is strictly a UNDESA owned, funded and run event, or is it
> co-funded? Are there any other principals here than UNDESA? Or is it really
> a fully UN event, like UN agencies do hold once in a while? The fact that
> they are not using UN facilities in NY but are meeting outside does partly
> fuel my stated curiosity. thanks, parminder
>
>
> On Thursday 02 June 2016 01:21 PM, Jac sm Kee wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Sharing a brief update from the MAG meeting discussing the retreat last
> night.
>
> The concerns around short timeline, problematics around representation
> and participation, interest in knowing about content as well as outputs
> of the process, broad participation were raised also in the meeting.
>
> Some suggestions were put forth to address some of this, in summary:
>
> * That the retreat not be seen as something that makes decisions, but
> rather the start of articulating the process for a strategic plan. So
> part of the "journey" of IGF improvements that has begun many years ago,
> with the opportunity of a 10 year mandate
> * That an open process be provided for inputs to shape the agenda
> (including e.g. CSTD recommednaitons, WSIS + 10 doc)
> * Remote participation in some way is important to promote transparency
> and participation, and the need to balance this against smaller space
> for brainstorming work as forwarded by some (live tweeting, remote
> participation at some point every day)
> * That outputs be open for comments and inputs by everyone
> * That there be clarity around what happens next with these outputs -
> roles and responsibilities
> * And that recommendations and suggestions on how to make the retreat
> work is open for consultation and inputs
>
> I think that's it. May have missed out on some, but hope this gives a
> gist of the conversation. Also happy to bring any further thoughts or
> recommendations to the MAG space.
>
> j
>
> ---------------------------------
> Jac sm Kee
> Manager, Women's Rights Programme
> Association for Progressive Communications
> www.apc.org | www.takebackthetech.net | erotics.apc.org
> Jitsi: jacsmk | Skype: jacsmk | Twitter: @jhybe
>
> On 01/06/2016 18:23, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
>
> On 06/01/2016 07:03 AM, Chat Garcia Ramilo wrote:
>
> Therefore, I'd like to encourage you all to send us your nominees. If
> you have other issues to raise please share them as well.
>
> One issue, that maybe is a bit late to raise by now is that doing this
> meeting in the USA is a poor choice. The visa process is difficult, time
> consuming and expensive to people in many countries.
>
> This in combination with the short notice and lack of preliminary
> discussion... is a bad combination.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From gpaque at gmail.com  Thu Jun  2 10:35:45 2016
From: gpaque at gmail.com (Ginger Paque)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 09:35:45 -0500
Subject: [governance] DW Newsletter update on IG, end of May
Message-ID: <CALCecM8+ANREsbj0b=7ZDe+18rfjxt49GiScV7uidDg5j-4ekQ@mail.gmail.com>

For those of you who are interested, I find this very helpful and
interesting:

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   of the SDGs, and describes the GIP's initiatives during the recent WSIS
   Forum 2016.
   - The WSIS Forum discussed the interplay between ICTs and SDGs, focusing
   on development, digital divide, economic growth, health, and more. In
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   earlier this month, this issue includes further analysis.
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From analia.aspis at gmail.com  Thu Jun  2 11:37:26 2016
From: analia.aspis at gmail.com (Analia Aspis)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 12:37:26 -0300
Subject: [governance] IGC previous workshops at IGF ?
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Dear members,

Do you remember if IGC has presensted any workshop in previous IGF? If you
do remember, have participated/organized it, please contact co-coordinators
so as we can exchange information.

Cheers,
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From milton at gatech.edu  Thu Jun  2 11:54:15 2016
From: milton at gatech.edu (Mueller, Milton L)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 15:54:15 +0000
Subject: [governance] [JNC - Forum] On the death of neo-liberalism
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Great to see a rational dialogue, Anriette.
I think if the discussion of the role of market forces in internet governance proceeded along these lines it would be much more constructive. 

Some responses: 

> -----Original Message-----
> Milton, it is true that state-control and state-owned enterprises are
> associated with corruption. But it is often the privatisation of these
> enterprises that escalates this corruption. And it is competition for
> government contracts by private sector actors that oils the day to day bribes
> and pay backs that is so prevalent in large parts of the world.

Yes, and this is well-theorized and documented in the political economy theories associated with public choice and institutional economics. The concept of rent-seeking, e.g. Both pro-market and not so pro market liberals are keenly aware of the dangers of mixing government power (protection, licensing, monopolies, subsidies) with private gain incentives. As you are probably well aware from South Africa's experience with telecom privatization, states and politics can mix up in ways that make potentially good policies (privatization of a state owned monopoly) into enrichment schemes for private interests. The state increases the price it gets paid for the privatization by packaging protection against competition into the deal. 

I think the key difference here is that PE theory post-1960 no longer exempts state actors from self-interested behavior. That is, in designing institutions or regulations one cannot assume that private = self-interested and greedy while public = disinterested, neutral and motivated entirely by public interest. That false assumption is where so many progressives/statists founder.

> You say:  "Entities not subject to the discipline of market forces are far more
> likely to rely on privilege and corruption to get things done."
> 
> Yes, this can be true. But it is also true that the "discipline of market forces"
> includes being good at being corrupt and getting away with it. When people
> are brought to justice it is often the corrupt civil servants at the receiving
> end. It is rare for the corporate actors who keep the cash flowing to get into
> trouble.

Not sure what market forces have to do with being good at being corrupt and getting away with it, but yes, there are so many examples of corruption going unpunished it can be sickening. Of course the same thing happens in non-market contexts, it is about power. Witness for example who was punished for the Abu Ghraib abuses in Iraq. Small people, not big people like Rumsfeld. This is an institutional and collective action problem generally. 

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From milton at gatech.edu  Thu Jun  2 11:56:35 2016
From: milton at gatech.edu (Mueller, Milton L)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 15:56:35 +0000
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> -----Original Message-----
> 
> the real question is, do we need a market? 

Yes.

> Or can we create, what we need,
> directly?

No. It's called specialization and the division of labor. Civilization and technology are dead without it. 
About 90% of the world's population wouldn't be sustainable without it and those that did survive would be living in relatively primitive conditions. 
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From milton at gatech.edu  Thu Jun  2 12:04:22 2016
From: milton at gatech.edu (Mueller, Milton L)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 16:04:22 +0000
Subject: [governance] [JNC - Forum] On the death of neo-liberalism
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Barry 

> -----Original Message-----
> We broke up the AT&T monopoly in the US and now, for example, 4
> companies (Verizon, AT&T barely related other than in name, T-Mobile,
> Sprint) account for probably 90+% of the smart phone market.

Your facts are wrong about market structure and shares.
There are 4 or 5 wireless carriers in every US market except for a few extremely remote ones, where there are probably 2.
There are at least 2 broadband fixed carriers in 60-70% of US markets and here in Atlanta, there are 3 and a new 4th one (Google) coming. 
As the capabilities of mobile broadband and smartphones increase, there are already people who consider their wireless carrier to be a substitute for broadband fixed. There are numerous handset manufacturers, whereas prior to the breakup your terminal equipment was integrated with the phone company and you had no choice. 

If you don't see the difference between this situation and the AT&T monopoly circa 1980, you have a lot to learn about industrial organization, markets and technology. 

I know it's seemingly cool to complain about the lack of perfect competition but broadband infrastructure is expensive and you're not going to get as many of them as gas stations. 

--MM

> 
> "The top 5 wireless telecommunications facilities-based service providers by
> subscriber count in the United States are:
> 
>   Verizon Wireless: 141.4 million (Q1 2016)
>   AT&T Mobility: 130.4 million (Q1 2016)
>   T-Mobile US: 65.5 million (Q1 2016)
>   Sprint Corporation: 58.8 million (Q1 2016)
>   U.S. Cellular: 4.9 million (Q1 2016)"
> 
>   source:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_wireless_communicati
> ons_service_providers
> 
> I include #5 to show how it's less than 10% of #4 and compared to the top 4
> taken together #5 accounts for 1% market share.
> 
> For last-mile internet most people have a choice of Verizon or whoever their
> regional telco is, Comcast, or a very few others also mostly by region, two
> maybe three per region, other than some tiny players (Hughes Satellite
> anyone?)
> 
> I suppose one could argue that having two or three choices is better than just
> one but it doesn't strike me as some grand victory of market competition.
> 
> Here in Boston if I want more than fairly stodgy DSL, a few mb/s, my choice
> is: One. Comcast. End of choices. Other than commercial service running
> closer to US$1,000/month, entry.
> 
> The word oligopoly comes to mind, with regional monopolies.
> 
> There's a bit more competition in wired office buildings in business districts
> tho not often within one wired office building. It gets complicated due to
> reselling etc., you might have a contract with RCN which is just renting and
> reselling fiber from Verizon, for example.
> 
> We can imagine some sort of competitive market and how wonderful it
> would be but there isn't much in existence largely due to the capital
> requirements of cable infrastructure, rights of way, cell tower licensing,
> legacy, cross-subsidization, etc -- the same old problems. And of course
> protective regulation.
> 
> Perhaps it's different in other countries but I'm not even sure what the point
> of this discussion is. We might as well be talking about the virtues of unicorn
> racing which likely would also benefit from more than one unicorn in the
> race. Who's to argue?
> 
> --
>         -Barry Shein
> 
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From woody at pch.net  Thu Jun  2 12:15:04 2016
From: woody at pch.net (Bill Woodcock)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 19:15:04 +0300
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>> Barry Shein wrote:
>> 
>> "The top 5 wireless telecommunications facilities-based service providers by subscriber count in the United States are:
>> 
>>  Verizon Wireless: 141.4 million (Q1 2016)
>>  AT&T Mobility: 130.4 million (Q1 2016)
>>  T-Mobile US: 65.5 million (Q1 2016)
>>  Sprint Corporation: 58.8 million (Q1 2016)
>>  U.S. Cellular: 4.9 million (Q1 2016)"
>> 
>> source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_wireless_communications_service_providers


> Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu> wrote:
> 
> Your facts are wrong about market structure and shares.

Milton, Barry cited his source.  If you disagree, perhaps you could be more specific, and cite a source that you feel is more correct than the Wikipedia article?

                                -Bill




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From kichango at gmail.com  Thu Jun  2 13:31:57 2016
From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 17:31:57 +0000
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From gurstein at gmail.com  Thu Jun  2 13:37:33 2016
From: gurstein at gmail.com (Michael Gurstein)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 10:37:33 -0700
Subject: [governance] [Internet Policy] Battle against American tech
 giants
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From: InternetPolicy [mailto:internetpolicy-bounces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of David Sarokin
Sent: June 2, 2016 9:05 AM
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Good article in the NY Times about the world's increasingly aggressive stance against the Big Five US tech companies:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/02/technology/why-the-world-is-drawing-battle-lines-against-american-tech-giants.html?ref=business

Why the World Is Drawing Battle Lines Against American Tech Giants

 

There's nothing really new in the article, in terms of issues that haven't already been discussed (...and discussed...and discussed...) in this forum. But it's very well-presented and tied together in a thoughtful way with concerns about Internet fragmentation.

 

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From willi.uebelherr at riseup.net  Thu Jun  2 13:48:39 2016
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Am 02/06/2016 um 11:56 schrieb Mueller, Milton L:
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> the real question is, do we need a market?
>
> Yes.
>
>> Or can we create, what we need,
>> directly?
>
> No. It's called specialization and the division of labor. Civilization and technology are dead without it.
> About 90% of the world's population wouldn't be sustainable without it and those that did survive would be living in relatively primitive conditions.
>

Dear friends,

i feel like in a church.

Do weed a god? Yes
Can we live without? No. impossible
And all with different view and experience are killed.

Ok, this is not true for IGF. Only for the christians.

We have two spaces.
To understand the law of the nature. The science.
And the materialisation of the laws of the nature. The technology.

We need both. And if we look in our short and long history, we see free
technology, Open Access and Open Exchange, free cooperation. All based
on strong decentralized activities.

Then, any time, the private occupators come. Based on state, law and any
violence systems to legitimate the robbery. They speak about
"International division of labor", patent and licence rights, private
ownership of knowledge and any form of Commons Resources.

Now we find a Call of Papers for Dynamic Coalition on Community
Connectivity (DC3) with "efficient software and hardware technology for
CNs". A directly way to free technology, based on local decentralized
and parallel activities.

Then maybe, Milton will say, this is forbidden. It is not a market. You
have to buy and not yo do itself. You have no permission to do that.

In the FCC declaration to Open Internet we read only about "Consumers".
And the people are not Creators? No no, not in the market space.

Open Internet
https://www.fcc.gov/general/open-internet

We can give back to our market apostel:
Do we need professors? No.
Can we study self? Yes, because study is always a process of self
organizing. An auto-didactical process. Study is a counter pol to
"Consumerism".

many greetings, willi
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From bzs at theworld.com  Thu Jun  2 15:19:29 2016
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On June 2, 2016 at 16:04 milton at gatech.edu (Mueller, Milton L) wrote:
 > Barry 
 > 
 > > -----Original Message-----
 > > We broke up the AT&T monopoly in the US and now, for example, 4
 > > companies (Verizon, AT&T barely related other than in name, T-Mobile,
 > > Sprint) account for probably 90+% of the smart phone market.
 > 
 > Your facts are wrong about market structure and shares.
 > There are 4 or 5 wireless carriers in every US market except for a few extremely remote ones, where there are probably 2.

I believe that's what I said, we don't substantively disagree other
than in how we color the situation.

 > There are at least 2 broadband fixed carriers in 60-70% of US markets and here in Atlanta, there are 3 and a new 4th one (Google) coming. 

And in Boston there's one, unless one wants to argue that Verizon DSL
is a viable choice, only barely at this point.

For that matter my company still offers dial-up, ~8,000 locations
throughout the US (no Alaska) and Canada!

I believe the current status of a small handful of companies offering
both physical infrastructure and IP dialtone and other services, in
particular CATV companies offer content, amounts to in essence a
vertical trust.

As you note broadband infrastructure is expensive and that is only one
of the barriers to effective competition.

It's really little different from phone service 80 years ago, local
govts control and severely limit wire and other build-out by would-be
competing services, often for pragmatic reasons.

So broadband infrastructure, wired and wireless plant, amount to a
natural and often legal monopoly or very-small-N oligopoly much as we
had with phone service wire plants and even radio spectrum for that
matter.

HENCE!

My suggestion would be to divest the vertical trusts and separate
physical infrastructure from IP dialtone, services, and content
provision, inter alia.

Create regulated wire/wireless plant monopolies or small-N oligopolies
-- one could imagine different structures for different media -- who
are not allowed into the IP dialtone and content business and would be
required to open those plants to anyone who can pay the (hopefully
reasonable) fees for carriage.

Of course that and $3.25 will get me a venti at almost any Starbucks
on the planet earth.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From remmyn at gmail.com  Thu Jun  2 15:56:06 2016
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 20:56:06 +0100
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> Apologies for cross-posting
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>
>
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>
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From valentina at oneworldplatform.net  Thu Jun  2 16:22:30 2016
From: valentina at oneworldplatform.net (vale - oneworld platform)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 22:22:30 +0200
Subject: [governance] URGENT: IGF Workshop Proposal on behalf of IGC
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I am also for 3 proposal and like very much the rephrase

ICT for development: Connecting civil society roles on access, finance
and knowledge

find it more critical
hvale

On 05/29/2016 02:30 PM, Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo) wrote:
> Thanks everyone,
> 
> Wisdom, would you mind suggesting a rephrase? 
> 
> Here is what Remmy suggested:
> 

> finance and knowledge''/
> 
> ---------------------
> Arsene Tungali,
> IGC Co-coordinator
> @arsenebaguma
> +243 993810967 <tel:+243%20993810967> (DRCongo)
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://yho.com/footer0> (excuse typos
> and brievity)
> 
> On Sunday, May 29, 2016, 3:28 PM, Wisdom Donkor <wisdom.dk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>     I support the third proposal:  ICT for development: Harnessing the
>     role of civil society for access, finance and knowledge city
> 
>     But need to be rephrase
> 
>     Cheers
> 
>     But need to be ref
>     On Saturday, May 28, 2016, Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo)
>     <arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr <javascript:return>> wrote:
>     > [Due to my issue with Spam, please do help share this email on the
>     list again to make sure everyone got it in their email. This is to
>     the first person who read this]
>     >
>     > Dear list members,
>     > I am coming back to you to share the result s of consultations we
>     had within the WG to develop Workshop Proposal for the IGF on behalf
>     of the IGC. I would like to thank members of the WG (co-organizers)
>     for their contributions and for their time.
>     > We came up with 3 workshop suggestions:
>     > -          Erosion of identity or nhomogenisation by internet - IS
>     it important? Should it be prevented? Can it be prevented? How?
>     > -          A critical reflexion on the role of civil society in
>     the Internet governance context
>     > -          ICT for development: Harnessing the role of civil
>     society for access, finance and knowledge city
>     > At this point, I am requesting members of the community to:
>     > -          Make comments on the suggested topics,
>     > -          Help agree on ONE topic (we will not wait for consensus
>     but I just want to feel the room)
>     > -          Help rephrase or reorient (if appropriate) the wording
>     on the chosen topics,
>     > After we agreed on the above, I will send another call for
>     speakers, panelists, onsite/remote moderators, rapporteurs, etc.
>     Please do get ready if you are planning to be in Mexico to be
>     involved in this workshop in any form. We will need your expertise
>     and experience to share during the workshop.
>     > Once this is done, then we will submit the workshop proposals to
>     the IGF, using the online form at the IGF Website. Given the
>     remaining time, we have less than 5 days to complete this so that by
>     June 4th, we can submit the proposals for consideration to the IGC.
>     > I really count on your contributions within time so we can
>     conclude this process.
>     > Regards,
>     > Arsene
>     > ------------------------------------------------------
>     > Arsène Tungali,
>     > IGC Co-Coordinator,
>     > Co-founder & Executive Director, Rudi International
>     > Facebook - Twitter - LinkedIn
>     > Internet Governance - Blogger - ISOC Ambassador - ICANN Fellow -
>     Child Online Protection Evangelist.
>     > Democratic Republic of Congo
> 
>     -- 
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>     E-government and Open Government Data Platforms Specialist*
>     *
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>     Ghana Open Data Initiative Project.
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From arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr  Fri Jun  3 07:23:39 2016
From: arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr (Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo))
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 11:23:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [governance] Fw: Urgent - Final Phase: IGC workshop proposal to the
 IGF
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 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; }  Dear colleagues,
This is a friendly and last reminder about this. Please do consider providing your comments and inputs to help conclude this process.
I continue to receive names of those who want to be considered as speakers and answers to the other requests presented there (see bellow).
We have until June 4th at 11pm UTC to conclude this so that i can move to the last phase of submiting our ws proposal.
Thanks for your contributions and constant support.
Regards,A
---------------------Arsene Tungali,IGC Co-coordinator at arsenebaguma+243 993810967 (DRCongo)Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone (excuse typos and brievity)


Begin forwarded message:

On Tuesday, May 31, 2016, 1:06 PM, Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo) <arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr> wrote:

Dear list members,
[Apologize for a longemail. I start a new conversation to avoid confusion. For reference, please dorefer to the email thread: “IGF Workshop Proposal on behalf of the IGC”]
Thank you all for thecomments/contributions we received so far. This shows that we all are interestedin having a workshop proposal be sent on behalf of the IGC. After going throughall contributions, I found myself in a very difficult position to sum up andcome up with one proposal.
So, here are my thoughts.Please do bear with me, especially given the time constraint.
The first proposal wassuggested by Deidre: “Erosion of identityor homogenisation by internet - Is it important? Should it be prevented? Can itbe prevented? How ?”
This one has got morethan ten endorsements and for every new contribution received, I found myselfbeing more and more confused by the different aspects this proposal has initself. It looks very wide, vast for me, though covering some important facts.
Contributions made byLouis Puzin made it a bit clearer but again when commented by other colleagues,it became again more and more confusing. I fear such workshop will have lessinterest from a CS point of view, also very little connexion to SDGS. Given I ampersonally not able to understand it properly; I find it difficult for me toendorse and submit it on behalf of the IGC.
This said, I wouldsuggest this topic to be submitted by another individual member but not onbehalf of the IGC.
The second topic had few(only two recorded) and I recall Milton asking it to be more specific, havespecific issues or questions that it addresses since it appears to be general,broad and not focused. I would suggest we leave it.
The third proposal onICT4D got nearly 6 endorsements and I personally feel this is much clearer, hasa CS component in it, can easily attract participants if well prepared and withgood panelists. I am voting for it, would suggest IGC to maintain it but reframeit to make it a suitable for everyone.
The original formulation(by Akinremi) was:“ICT for development: Harnessing the role of CSfor access, finance and knowledge” 
This was then rephrasedby Remmy this way: “ICT for development: Connecting Civil Societyroles on access, finance and knowledge”
If you agree with me inkeeping this topic for the IGC as rephrased by Remmy, I will be requesting thefollowing from the group moving forward and given the time left before us:
-         To makesuggestions on how best we can rephrase this proposal (or agree on theavailable sentence),-         To advise onthe format to chose (I would suggest not a panel which is less encouraged bythe IGF Secretariat and requires a background paper),-         To let meknow if you wish to be considered as workshop co-organizer-         To let meknow if you want to be considered as speaker, moderator, remote moderator,rapporteur, etc. 
I am particularly lookingfor outstanding individuals from this group who can give credit to our proposaland who have experience in workshop organization, planning to attend in person(or remotely) the upcoming IGF.
Hope this is clear and I welcomecomments and discussion. But please bear in mind we have little time remainingand would suggest we finish this process by June 3rd to allow sometime to submit before the deadline.
Best regards,A------------------------------------------------------Arsène Tungali,IGC Co-Coordinator,
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From baudouin.schombe at gmail.com  Fri Jun  3 11:14:08 2016
From: baudouin.schombe at gmail.com (Baudouin Schombe)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 16:14:08 +0100
Subject: [governance] Fw: Urgent - Final Phase: IGC workshop proposal to
 the IGF
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To have opted for second theme, I propose to be among speaker.

2016-06-03 12:23 GMT+01:00 Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo) <arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr>:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> This is a friendly and last reminder about this. Please do consider
> providing your comments and inputs to help conclude this process.
>
> I continue to receive names of those who want to be considered as speakers
> and answers to the other requests presented there (see bellow).
>
> We have until June 4th at 11pm UTC to conclude this so that i can move to
> the last phase of submiting our ws proposal.
>
> Thanks for your contributions and constant support.
>
> Regards,
> A
> ---------------------
> Arsene Tungali,
> IGC Co-coordinator
> @arsenebaguma
> +243 993810967 <+243%20993810967> (DRCongo)
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://yho.com/footer0> (excuse typos
> and brievity)
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2016, 1:06 PM, Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo) <
> arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
> Dear list members,
>
> [Apologize for a long email. I start a new conversation to avoid
> confusion. For reference, please do refer to the email thread: “IGF
> Workshop Proposal on behalf of the IGC”]
>
> Thank you all for the comments/contributions we received so far. This
> shows that we all are interested in having a workshop proposal be sent on
> behalf of the IGC. After going through all contributions, I found myself in
> a very difficult position to sum up and come up with one proposal.
>
> So, here are my thoughts. Please do bear with me, especially given the
> time constraint.
>
> The first proposal was suggested by Deidre: “*Erosion of identity or
> homogenisation by internet - Is it important? Should it be prevented? Can
> it be prevented? How ?”*
>
> This one has got more than ten endorsements and for every new contribution
> received, I found myself being more and more confused by the different
> aspects this proposal has in itself. It looks very wide, vast for me,
> though covering some important facts.
>
> Contributions made by Louis Puzin made it a bit clearer but again when
> commented by other colleagues, it became again more and more confusing. I
> fear such workshop will have less interest from a CS point of view, also
> very little connexion to SDGS. Given I am personally not able to understand
> it properly; *I find it difficult for me to endorse and submit it on
> behalf of the IGC*.
>
> This said, I would suggest this topic to be submitted by another
> individual member but not on behalf of the IGC.
>
> The second topic had few (only two recorded) and I recall Milton asking it
> to be more specific, have specific issues or questions that it addresses
> since it appears to be general, broad and not focused. I would suggest we
> leave it.
>
> The third proposal on ICT4D got nearly 6 endorsements and I personally
> feel this is much clearer, has a CS component in it, can easily attract
> participants if well prepared and with good panelists. I am voting for it,
> would suggest IGC to maintain it but reframe it to make it a suitable for
> everyone.
>
> The original formulation (by Akinremi) was:
> *“ICT for development: Harnessing the role of CS for access, finance and
> knowledge” *
>
> This was then rephrased by Remmy this way:
> *“ICT for development: Connecting Civil Society roles on access, finance
> and knowledge”*
>
> If you agree with me in keeping this topic for the IGC as rephrased by
> Remmy, I will be requesting the following from the group moving forward and
> given the time left before us:
>
> -          To make suggestions on how best we can rephrase this proposal
> (or agree on the available sentence),
> -          To advise on the format to chose (I would suggest not a panel
> which is less encouraged by the IGF Secretariat and requires a background
> paper),
> -          To let me know if you wish to be considered as workshop
> co-organizer
> -          To let me know if you want to be considered as speaker,
> moderator, remote moderator, rapporteur, etc.
>
> I am particularly looking for outstanding individuals from this group who
> can give credit to our proposal and who have experience in workshop
> organization, planning to attend in person (or remotely) the upcoming IGF.
>
> Hope this is clear and I welcome comments and discussion. But please bear
> in mind we have little time remaining and would suggest we finish this
> process by June 3rd to allow some time to submit before the deadline.
>
> Best regards,
> A
> *------------------------------------------------------*
> *Arsène Tungali,*
> IGC Co-Coordinator,
> Co-founder & Executive Director, Rudi International
> <http://www.rudiinternational.org/>
> Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/arsenebaguma> - Twitter
> <http://twitter.com/arsenebaguma> - LinkedIn
> <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/arsene-tungali/40/825/344/>
> Internet Governance - Blogger - ISOC Ambassador - ICANN Fellow - Child
> Online Protection Evangelist.
> Democratic Republic of Congo
>
>
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From jac at apcwomen.org  Fri Jun  3 13:54:02 2016
From: jac at apcwomen.org (Jac sm Kee)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 01:54:02 +0800
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Brief update on MAG meeting on IGF
 retreat
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Hi all,


> have a quick question: whose recommendations are these? I would love
instead to hear what DESA has to say about the issues raised (hopefully
by MAG members or participants to the call).
JK: Recommendations from everyone at the call. Ranging from some MAG
members, and some ex-MAG who were given the floor to speak at chair's
discretion.

Parminder, as Renata mentioned, it's presented as a UNDESA event - so
Wai Min and Denis (sp?) was there from DESA responding to questions.

Main gist:
- Participatory was a key word: for both inputs and outputs
- They'll look into remote participation, at least partially, as this
was seen to be a priority
- It's currently looked to be a one-off event
- The methodology is still being shaped, but being seen as really a
small group strategising/brainstorming event (so the emphasis around
this being a more start to a proper strategy than an actual strategy to
be implemented by MAG participants to the call was strong on this)

Other MAG members here may also have more info which I may have missed
out on. But this is as far as I remember. Transcripts are of course
available as well on the IGF site if you're interested in more specific
responses from DESA and the secretariat.


j


---------------------------------
Jac sm Kee
Manager, Women's Rights Programme
Association for Progressive Communications
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Jitsi: jacsmk | Skype: jacsmk | Twitter: @jhybe

On 02/06/2016 16:32, parminder wrote:
> Thanks Jac
> 
> Do we know if it is strictly a UNDESA owned, funded and run event, or is
> it co-funded? Are there any other principals here than UNDESA? Or is it
> really a fully UN event, like UN agencies do hold once in a while? The
> fact that they are not using UN facilities in NY but are meeting outside
> does partly fuel my stated curiosity. thanks, parminder
> 
> 
> On Thursday 02 June 2016 01:21 PM, Jac sm Kee wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Sharing a brief update from the MAG meeting discussing the retreat last
>> night.
>>
>> The concerns around short timeline, problematics around representation
>> and participation, interest in knowing about content as well as outputs
>> of the process, broad participation were raised also in the meeting.
>>
>> Some suggestions were put forth to address some of this, in summary:
>>
>> * That the retreat not be seen as something that makes decisions, but
>> rather the start of articulating the process for a strategic plan. So
>> part of the "journey" of IGF improvements that has begun many years ago,
>> with the opportunity of a 10 year mandate
>> * That an open process be provided for inputs to shape the agenda
>> (including e.g. CSTD recommednaitons, WSIS + 10 doc)
>> * Remote participation in some way is important to promote transparency
>> and participation, and the need to balance this against smaller space
>> for brainstorming work as forwarded by some (live tweeting, remote
>> participation at some point every day)
>> * That outputs be open for comments and inputs by everyone
>> * That there be clarity around what happens next with these outputs -
>> roles and responsibilities
>> * And that recommendations and suggestions on how to make the retreat
>> work is open for consultation and inputs
>>
>> I think that's it. May have missed out on some, but hope this gives a
>> gist of the conversation. Also happy to bring any further thoughts or
>> recommendations to the MAG space.
>>
>> j
>>
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>> Jac sm Kee
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>> On 01/06/2016 18:23, Nicolás Echániz wrote:
>>> On 06/01/2016 07:03 AM, Chat Garcia Ramilo wrote:
>>>> Therefore, I'd like to encourage you all to send us your nominees. If
>>>> you have other issues to raise please share them as well.
>>> One issue, that maybe is a bit late to raise by now is that doing this
>>> meeting in the USA is a poor choice. The visa process is difficult, time
>>> consuming and expensive to people in many countries.
>>>
>>> This in combination with the short notice and lack of preliminary
>>> discussion... is a bad combination.
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From dvbirve at yandex.ru  Fri Jun  3 17:46:44 2016
From: dvbirve at yandex.ru (Shcherbovich Andrey)
Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2016 00:46:44 +0300
Subject: [governance] Conflict Management and Human Rights Workshop:
 Assistance Required
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Dear colleagues!

THe Higher Schiool of Economics has a proposal of the Conflict Management and Human Rights on the Internet Workshop.

We would like to ask if it is relevant\interesting for the IGF this year.

If you would like to join the workshop, please indicate yourself and we will add you into the speakers list



1. Workshop Format. Please click here for a description of available Workshop Session Formats. 
Note: In an effort to enhance participation, workshop proponents are encouraged to use formats other than the panel format. If you would like to use the panel format, you must provide a background paper motivating your preference for a panel format (at Part 14 below). 
Roundtable
 
Specify the duration of proposed workshop. 
Note that different formats have different durations – check the duration options here 
30 minutes (Flash Session or BoF formats only)
60 minutes
90 minutes 

2. Which of the IGF 2015 subtheme does your proposed workshop fall under? 
Internet and Human Rights

3. Title of proposed workshop (60 characters): 
Conflict Management & Human Rights on the Internet

4. Provide concise description of proposed workshop, including a specific statement of the Internet governance problem, question or challenges to be addressed (max 250 words): 
Today, when the most of the content is user-generated, conflicts on the Internet, and conflicts between users, are unavoidable. Serious conflicts could affect users’ rights, especially freedom of expression and information. In response, national jurisdictions impose difficulties on different websites. We should ensure a balance between the control of information (like censorship) and minimizing harm caused by internet-based conflicts.

Conflict management in the Internet offers a structuration of rights: the right to protection of privacy, intellectual property rights, the right to personal dignity, protection against fraud network users. There are interesting aspects of the understanding of the conflict (it is the nature of inter-territorial and inter-jurisdictional), procedural mechanisms for conflict resolution, preventive measures for conflict prevention. In addition to the legal principles and rules like the rule of law, justice, etc. We will apply specific guidelines proposed by the Internet communities.

For that reason, we should reconsider user agreements of the web resources for human rights protection and conflict management. In case of the internet-based conflict user should be protected from threats and illegal behavior of the other users. This is the one of the most complex issues of the Internet Governance, when different legislations and different jurisdictions applied. Clear rules must be developed to ensure realization of users’ rights on the Internet in case of conflicts.



5. Name, stakeholder group (civil society; government; intergovernmental organization; private sector; technical community), and organizational affiliation of workshop proposal co-organizer(s): 

[Example] 

Andrey Shcherbovich 
Academia 
National Research University Higher School of Economics 


6. Have you, or any of your co-organizers, organized an IGF workshop before? 
Yes

 

http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2014/index.php/proposal/view_public/15

http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/2013/scripts/wks2013/report_view.php?xpsltipq_je=46

http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/2013/scripts/wks2013/report_view.php?xpsltipq_je=31

http://wsms1.intgovforum.org/content/no134-human-rights-internet-legal-frames-and-technological-implications#report

 



If yes, provide the link to the workshop report: 
Note: Workshop proponents that have held a workshop in a previous IGF were required to have submitted a workshop report following that IGF. Proposals submitted by those who held workshops in the 2013 or 2014 IGF, but who failed to file a workshop report afterwards, will be declined


7. Provide up to five subject matter hashtags that describe your workshop (e.g. #privacy, #diversity, #security): 
#governance #user_agreements #humanrights #conflicts #communities

8. Describe how you plan to facilitate and encourage discussion amongst speakers, audience members and remote participants (max 250 words): 
Initial speakers will make a short presentation of their viewpoints. Than moderator will guide them by basic questions outlined in the background paper. Participants would be encouraged to answer those questions. Public onsite and remote hub connected to the workshop would be able to express their opinion or ask a question for clarification to the roundtable participants. Finally, the Rapporteur would make a conclusion on discussion.

10. Name(s) of in-person Moderator(s) (if any): 
Dr. Svetlana Maltseva

11. Name(s) of Remote Moderator(s): 
Dr. Julia Taratukhina

12. Name(s) of Rapporteur(s): 
Note: The purpose of the Rapporteur is to observe the session and to synthesize the discussion into a standard report format, which is outlined here 
Dr. Andrey Shcherbovich

13. Describe your plan for promoting and encouraging efficient remote participation: 
As we made previously on the HSE workshops in 2012, 2013 and 2014 we would connect a remote hub to the session. This hub based in Moscow, Higher School of Economics. Practice shows that this is interesting for other hubs in academic institutions worldwide. In addition, we reserve an option for speakers to participate online in remote mode in case some of them would be unable to be present onsite.


Thank you!


Sincerely,
Dr. Andrey A. Shcherbovich
Lecturer, Department of Constitutional and Administrative Law,
National Research University
Higher School of Economics
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From ian.peter at ianpeter.com  Fri Jun  3 19:44:38 2016
From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 09:44:38 +1000
Subject: [governance] FYI
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Following from our discussions on this – I think CSCG will be writing something about the specifics of the current stakeholder nomination processes, but a wider ranging submission (or submissions) from civil society would probably be a good idea.

http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat-2016-call
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Sat Jun  4 06:51:25 2016
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 11:51:25 +0100
Subject: [governance] FYI
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acknowledged
RN

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On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:44 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:

> Following from our discussions on this – I think CSCG will be writing
> something about the specifics of the current stakeholder nomination
> processes, but a wider ranging submission (or submissions) from civil
> society would probably be a good idea.
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat-2016-call
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Sat Jun  4 12:03:20 2016
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 12:03:20 -0400
Subject: [governance] Right to Information
Message-ID: <CAMz5XN6psQUUVH=JyNw93mx_pb_ePxYgCnn1JCerOuuCBoqRow@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends,
Please excuse the deliberate cross-posting.

The Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) is just finishing a selection,
working to very tight deadlines, of representatives of civil society as a
whole to attend a Retreat to be held in New York next month on the future
of the Internet Governance Forum.

When the Retreat was first proposed there was considerable debate about the
involvement of civil society, and about whether CSCG should make the
selection. Finally it was agreed that CSCG should go ahead. After that
there was silence.

Currently there is no public knowledge of whether anyone at all in fact
presented themselves to CSCG for selection, nor, if anyone did, do we have
any idea of who they might be.

But those about to be represented, civil society as a whole, have a right
to know the answers to these questions, and to know them BEFORE any
selection is completed.

This is a reminder to all of us, particularly in the context of the review
of the CSCG, of the need to remember to "think communally" if we really
want to change a hierarchical system, to be constantly aware of the
obligation of information as a right, not as a favour, to all participants.

Lack of engagement is a ubiquitous problem of governance. The
"stakeholders" abdicate from participation in part at least because the
"more equal" stakeholders turn to each other rather than to them. In this
there could be one answer to Item 2 of the call for comment on the Retreat
draft agenda which reads:

2)     What measures can be taken to engage those stakeholders who are
currently unengaged, with a view to expand and diversify physical and
virtual participation?


Best wishes

Deirdre




-- 
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Sat Jun  4 14:38:17 2016
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 19:38:17 +0100
Subject: [governance] Right to Information
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Hi DD
thanks for the heads up,
I really think our nomcom is working according to plan and will soon revert
to the house on that, considering that some of us filed in for this retreat.

Let us be hopeful for the best of us to take this charge.

Remmy Nweke

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On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Dear Friends,
> Please excuse the deliberate cross-posting.
>
> The Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) is just finishing a selection,
> working to very tight deadlines, of representatives of civil society as a
> whole to attend a Retreat to be held in New York next month on the future
> of the Internet Governance Forum.
>
> When the Retreat was first proposed there was considerable debate about
> the involvement of civil society, and about whether CSCG should make the
> selection. Finally it was agreed that CSCG should go ahead. After that
> there was silence.
>
> Currently there is no public knowledge of whether anyone at all in fact
> presented themselves to CSCG for selection, nor, if anyone did, do we have
> any idea of who they might be.
>
> But those about to be represented, civil society as a whole, have a right
> to know the answers to these questions, and to know them BEFORE any
> selection is completed.
>
> This is a reminder to all of us, particularly in the context of the review
> of the CSCG, of the need to remember to "think communally" if we really
> want to change a hierarchical system, to be constantly aware of the
> obligation of information as a right, not as a favour, to all participants.
>
> Lack of engagement is a ubiquitous problem of governance. The
> "stakeholders" abdicate from participation in part at least because the
> "more equal" stakeholders turn to each other rather than to them. In this
> there could be one answer to Item 2 of the call for comment on the
> Retreat draft agenda which reads:
>
> 2)     What measures can be taken to engage those stakeholders who are
> currently unengaged, with a view to expand and diversify physical and
> virtual participation?
>
>
> Best wishes
>
> Deirdre
>
>
>
>
> --
> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William
> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>
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From raquino at gmail.com  Sat Jun  4 14:49:27 2016
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 15:49:27 -0300
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Right to Information
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Dear Deirdre and all

The deadline for CSCG selection of nominees to IGF Retreat is upcoming.
This process, however, depended on other aspects:
1) The candidates would have to send an email to CSCG nomcom
2) The candidates were also requested to self-nominate or be nominated
in IGF website
3) The CSCG asked CS MAG members to present the result of their
selection, so as not to indicate the same CS rep the CS MAG members
choose

I was honored to have been one of the CSCG nominees who became part of
the MAG IGF 2016
I can not speak for the whole CS at MAG of course
But I can say that the majority of MAG CS is participating on a
selection process.
Given the solution of that aspect, I am sure CSCG will follow the best
path it can in terms of appointing nominees which do fulfill all the
other conditions.

Best,

Renata



On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Deirdre Williams
<williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Friends,
> Please excuse the deliberate cross-posting.
>
> The Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) is just finishing a selection,
> working to very tight deadlines, of representatives of civil society as a
> whole to attend a Retreat to be held in New York next month on the future of
> the Internet Governance Forum.
>
> When the Retreat was first proposed there was considerable debate about the
> involvement of civil society, and about whether CSCG should make the
> selection. Finally it was agreed that CSCG should go ahead. After that there
> was silence.
>
> Currently there is no public knowledge of whether anyone at all in fact
> presented themselves to CSCG for selection, nor, if anyone did, do we have
> any idea of who they might be.
>
> But those about to be represented, civil society as a whole, have a right to
> know the answers to these questions, and to know them BEFORE any selection
> is completed.
>
> This is a reminder to all of us, particularly in the context of the review
> of the CSCG, of the need to remember to "think communally" if we really want
> to change a hierarchical system, to be constantly aware of the obligation of
> information as a right, not as a favour, to all participants.
>
> Lack of engagement is a ubiquitous problem of governance. The "stakeholders"
> abdicate from participation in part at least because the "more equal"
> stakeholders turn to each other rather than to them. In this there could be
> one answer to Item 2 of the call for comment on the Retreat draft agenda
> which reads:
>
> 2)     What measures can be taken to engage those stakeholders who are
> currently unengaged, with a view to expand and diversify physical and
> virtual participation?
>
>
> Best wishes
>
> Deirdre
>
>
>
>
> --
> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William
> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>
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From raquino at gmail.com  Sat Jun  4 15:19:49 2016
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 16:19:49 -0300
Subject: [governance] IGF Retreat 2016 Call for Written Inputs
Message-ID: <CAMokdMywq=fm75i2r6c4US2H8_FNDfK_k86JiOUSPANCu0yrSw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Sharing this call for inputs, just in case you haven`t seen it.

Apologies for cross-posting.

Best,

Renata


http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat-2016-call

IGF Retreat 2016 Call for Written Inputs

All stakeholders are invited to send written inputs commenting on
issues that will be discussed (agenda), with reference to the
following background documentation. The guiding questions below are
based on the the draft agenda:

1)     What are some ways to:

- Improve the overall preparatory process of the IGF,

- Improve the the nomination process and make-up of the
Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) and the appointment process for
the IGF-MAG Chair,

- Strengthen IGF support structures?

2)     What measures can be taken to engage those stakeholders who are
currently unengaged, with a view to expand and diversify physical and
virtual participation?

3)     What are the ways we can better capture the outputs of the IGF
and increase their visibility and impact?

4)     What modalities should be put in place to ensure sustained
funding to support the IGF process and the IGF Secretariat.

5)     How can the IGF better support the work of national and
regional IGF initiatives (NRIs) and how can synergies between the IGF
and NRIs and amongst NRIs be increased?

6)     What are other issues, if any, that could be discussed at the Retreat?

Please keep your inputs concise. The deadline for submitting
contributions to igfretreat at intgovforum.org is 1 July.  All written
inputs received will be shared in public on the IGF website. We kindly
ask that you group your inputs according to the specific agenda item
if possible.



Background Documentation:

Tunis Agenda



Report of the Working Group on Internet Governance (WGIG)



Report of the CSTD Working Group on Improvements to the Internet
Governance Forum

Report of the IGF Secretariat to the CSTD 17th Session: Ongoing
Implementation of the of the CSTD Working Group Recommendations on
Improvements to the IGF

Report to the CSTD on the Implementation of the Outcomes of the World
Summit on the Information Society (WSIS): 2015 Input from the Internet
Governance Forum (IGF)

Outcome document of the high-level meeting of the General Assembly on
the overall review of the implementation of the outcomes of the World
Summit on the Information Society



Synthesis Paper: Taking Stock of IGF 2015 and Looking Forward to IGF 2016



Progress made in the implementation of and follow-up to the outcomes
of the World Summit on the Information Society at the regional and
international levels: Report of the United Nations Secretary-General,
February 2016

CSTD Draft ECOSOC Resolution May 2016: Assessment of the progress made
in the implementation oft and follow-up to the outcomes of the World
Summit on the Information Society

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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Sat Jun  4 16:52:40 2016
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 16:52:40 -0400
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Right to Information
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Dear Renata,

The instructions on the IGF website are rather complex but quite clear.
The representation will be 5 for each "stakeholder group" of which Civil
Society (CS) is one.
For CS
The CS MAG members will select 1 from among their group of 14,
acknowledging that some of the 14 may not be free to attend. That is a
matter for the CS MAG to arrange.
CSCG will select 2 representatives from civil society generally. (If it
were up to me, which it isn't, I would not consider the CS MAG in this
process since their opportunity came in the CS MAG selection)
CSCG will also present 3-4 additional nominations for the two additional CS
slots. These nominations may or may not be used in the final selection.
Since the objective of the meeting is a long term view of the 10 year
renewed mandate of the IGF and the 15 year period of the Sustainable
Development Goals the existing MAG with its maximum 3 year tenure is of
important but limited relevance. This is the reason for my comment on the
CSCG selection.

That was in response to your message.

My point, which was not answered, is that civil society has a right to know
who is in competition to represent it. This is in respect of the CSCG
selection which I see as being separate from the MAG selection.

On Monday we will be having a General Election in Saint Lucia. Admittedly
we will all get to choose (vote). However the final result will be the
group of people who will provide governance here for the next 5 years. My
argument is that we have a right to know who all of them are, just as we
have a right to know who is competing to represent us at the Retreat in New
York.

Best wishes
Deirdre

It is expected there will be 5 participants from each of the 4 IGF
Stakeholder communities. ...
To ensure continuity and integration with current IGF and MAG efforts,
current MAG members from each of the Civil Society, Technical, and Private
Sector communities will appoint 1 participant each.   Additionally, each
community will have the option of designating 2 participants through their
own processes.  The stakeholder communities are also requested to submit 3
- 4 additional nominations for the remaining 2 positions while noting that
participants may also be drawn from self-nominations as well as nominations
from other institutions/organizations.  This is to assure balanced
participation and broad diversity across a number of considerations.
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat

On 4 June 2016 at 14:49, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Deirdre and all
>
> The deadline for CSCG selection of nominees to IGF Retreat is upcoming.
> This process, however, depended on other aspects:
> 1) The candidates would have to send an email to CSCG nomcom
> 2) The candidates were also requested to self-nominate or be nominated
> in IGF website
> 3) The CSCG asked CS MAG members to present the result of their
> selection, so as not to indicate the same CS rep the CS MAG members
> choose
>
> I was honored to have been one of the CSCG nominees who became part of
> the MAG IGF 2016
> I can not speak for the whole CS at MAG of course
> But I can say that the majority of MAG CS is participating on a
> selection process.
> Given the solution of that aspect, I am sure CSCG will follow the best
> path it can in terms of appointing nominees which do fulfill all the
> other conditions.
>
> Best,
>
> Renata
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Deirdre Williams
> <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Friends,
> > Please excuse the deliberate cross-posting.
> >
> > The Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) is just finishing a
> selection,
> > working to very tight deadlines, of representatives of civil society as a
> > whole to attend a Retreat to be held in New York next month on the
> future of
> > the Internet Governance Forum.
> >
> > When the Retreat was first proposed there was considerable debate about
> the
> > involvement of civil society, and about whether CSCG should make the
> > selection. Finally it was agreed that CSCG should go ahead. After that
> there
> > was silence.
> >
> > Currently there is no public knowledge of whether anyone at all in fact
> > presented themselves to CSCG for selection, nor, if anyone did, do we
> have
> > any idea of who they might be.
> >
> > But those about to be represented, civil society as a whole, have a
> right to
> > know the answers to these questions, and to know them BEFORE any
> selection
> > is completed.
> >
> > This is a reminder to all of us, particularly in the context of the
> review
> > of the CSCG, of the need to remember to "think communally" if we really
> want
> > to change a hierarchical system, to be constantly aware of the
> obligation of
> > information as a right, not as a favour, to all participants.
> >
> > Lack of engagement is a ubiquitous problem of governance. The
> "stakeholders"
> > abdicate from participation in part at least because the "more equal"
> > stakeholders turn to each other rather than to them. In this there could
> be
> > one answer to Item 2 of the call for comment on the Retreat draft agenda
> > which reads:
> >
> > 2)     What measures can be taken to engage those stakeholders who are
> > currently unengaged, with a view to expand and diversify physical and
> > virtual participation?
> >
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Deirdre
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William
> > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________
> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
> >      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
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>



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From raquino at gmail.com  Sat Jun  4 17:09:49 2016
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 18:09:49 -0300
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Right to Information
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Dear Deirdre and all

I understand your ask about the list of candidates competing.
I`d think this is an answer CSCG only can give you.

What I can update you on, which was the goal of my message, is that CS
MAG is involved in a selection process for a representative.
And yes, this selected candidate can not participate on CSCG
selections, because he/she would have been selected already.
However, as you so thoughtully re-sent the rules done by UNDESA, other
MAG members non-elected can participate.
Not sure if I would describe that as "another chance" but more like
adding to their list another challenge.

Best,

Renata



On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Deirdre Williams
<williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Renata,
>
> The instructions on the IGF website are rather complex but quite clear.
> The representation will be 5 for each "stakeholder group" of which Civil
> Society (CS) is one.
> For CS
> The CS MAG members will select 1 from among their group of 14, acknowledging
> that some of the 14 may not be free to attend. That is a matter for the CS
> MAG to arrange.
> CSCG will select 2 representatives from civil society generally. (If it were
> up to me, which it isn't, I would not consider the CS MAG in this process
> since their opportunity came in the CS MAG selection)
> CSCG will also present 3-4 additional nominations for the two additional CS
> slots. These nominations may or may not be used in the final selection.
> Since the objective of the meeting is a long term view of the 10 year
> renewed mandate of the IGF and the 15 year period of the Sustainable
> Development Goals the existing MAG with its maximum 3 year tenure is of
> important but limited relevance. This is the reason for my comment on the
> CSCG selection.
>
> That was in response to your message.
>
> My point, which was not answered, is that civil society has a right to know
> who is in competition to represent it. This is in respect of the CSCG
> selection which I see as being separate from the MAG selection.
>
> On Monday we will be having a General Election in Saint Lucia. Admittedly we
> will all get to choose (vote). However the final result will be the group of
> people who will provide governance here for the next 5 years. My argument is
> that we have a right to know who all of them are, just as we have a right to
> know who is competing to represent us at the Retreat in New York.
>
> Best wishes
> Deirdre
>
> It is expected there will be 5 participants from each of the 4 IGF
> Stakeholder communities. ...
> To ensure continuity and integration with current IGF and MAG efforts,
> current MAG members from each of the Civil Society, Technical, and Private
> Sector communities will appoint 1 participant each.   Additionally, each
> community will have the option of designating 2 participants through their
> own processes.  The stakeholder communities are also requested to submit 3 -
> 4 additional nominations for the remaining 2 positions while noting that
> participants may also be drawn from self-nominations as well as nominations
> from other institutions/organizations.  This is to assure balanced
> participation and broad diversity across a number of considerations.
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat
>
> On 4 June 2016 at 14:49, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Deirdre and all
>>
>> The deadline for CSCG selection of nominees to IGF Retreat is upcoming.
>> This process, however, depended on other aspects:
>> 1) The candidates would have to send an email to CSCG nomcom
>> 2) The candidates were also requested to self-nominate or be nominated
>> in IGF website
>> 3) The CSCG asked CS MAG members to present the result of their
>> selection, so as not to indicate the same CS rep the CS MAG members
>> choose
>>
>> I was honored to have been one of the CSCG nominees who became part of
>> the MAG IGF 2016
>> I can not speak for the whole CS at MAG of course
>> But I can say that the majority of MAG CS is participating on a
>> selection process.
>> Given the solution of that aspect, I am sure CSCG will follow the best
>> path it can in terms of appointing nominees which do fulfill all the
>> other conditions.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Renata
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Deirdre Williams
>> <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Dear Friends,
>> > Please excuse the deliberate cross-posting.
>> >
>> > The Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) is just finishing a
>> > selection,
>> > working to very tight deadlines, of representatives of civil society as
>> > a
>> > whole to attend a Retreat to be held in New York next month on the
>> > future of
>> > the Internet Governance Forum.
>> >
>> > When the Retreat was first proposed there was considerable debate about
>> > the
>> > involvement of civil society, and about whether CSCG should make the
>> > selection. Finally it was agreed that CSCG should go ahead. After that
>> > there
>> > was silence.
>> >
>> > Currently there is no public knowledge of whether anyone at all in fact
>> > presented themselves to CSCG for selection, nor, if anyone did, do we
>> > have
>> > any idea of who they might be.
>> >
>> > But those about to be represented, civil society as a whole, have a
>> > right to
>> > know the answers to these questions, and to know them BEFORE any
>> > selection
>> > is completed.
>> >
>> > This is a reminder to all of us, particularly in the context of the
>> > review
>> > of the CSCG, of the need to remember to "think communally" if we really
>> > want
>> > to change a hierarchical system, to be constantly aware of the
>> > obligation of
>> > information as a right, not as a favour, to all participants.
>> >
>> > Lack of engagement is a ubiquitous problem of governance. The
>> > "stakeholders"
>> > abdicate from participation in part at least because the "more equal"
>> > stakeholders turn to each other rather than to them. In this there could
>> > be
>> > one answer to Item 2 of the call for comment on the Retreat draft agenda
>> > which reads:
>> >
>> > 2)     What measures can be taken to engage those stakeholders who are
>> > currently unengaged, with a view to expand and diversify physical and
>> > virtual participation?
>> >
>> >
>> > Best wishes
>> >
>> > Deirdre
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir
>> > William
>> > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>> >
>> > ____________________________________________________________
>> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>> >      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
>> > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
>> >      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits
>
>
>
>
> --
> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William
> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979

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From raquino at gmail.com  Sat Jun  4 20:36:45 2016
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 21:36:45 -0300
Subject: [governance] IGF Resource Persons list
Message-ID: <CAMokdMyVUR4gARmCeDOvAEfJ9SnycwS8wa6ZV-t5QoDQLfCcRA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

A new database of specialists in internet governance topics in IGF website.
Those interested in being part of the list can add themselves.

http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/resource-persons-list

Resource Persons

The IGF Secretariat is currently compiling a list of experts or
“Resource Persons” in preparation for the IGF 2016 event in
Guadalajara, Mexico. The purpose of this list of experts is to create
a more successful meeting by connecting appropriate experts to
workshop proposers and other IGF sessions. The role of the Resource
Person will be to provide unrestricted support, from subject expertise
to advice and/or underrepresented perspectives, and to act as a
speaker/moderator if requested. We strongly encourage all interested
individuals to register using the registration form here. If a session
organizer wishes to reach out to any of the resource persons below,
they should contact the IGF Secretariat at...

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From chlebrum at gmail.com  Sun Jun  5 06:07:36 2016
From: chlebrum at gmail.com (chlebrum .)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 12:07:36 +0200
Subject: [governance] IGF Resource Persons list
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???
A curious list where there is neither the most active Net Neutrality people,
Luca Belli nor Louis Pouzin in critical internet resources. If it is only
individuals who register themselves and not a community recognition is not
very serious (even if there are great people like Milton) ;-))

Chantal Lebrument
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Mob: +33 6 8369 5460

2016-06-05 2:36 GMT+02:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>:

> Hi
>
> A new database of specialists in internet governance topics in IGF website.
> Those interested in being part of the list can add themselves.
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/resource-persons-list
>
> Resource Persons
>
> The IGF Secretariat is currently compiling a list of experts or
> “Resource Persons” in preparation for the IGF 2016 event in
> Guadalajara, Mexico. The purpose of this list of experts is to create
> a more successful meeting by connecting appropriate experts to
> workshop proposers and other IGF sessions. The role of the Resource
> Person will be to provide unrestricted support, from subject expertise
> to advice and/or underrepresented perspectives, and to act as a
> speaker/moderator if requested. We strongly encourage all interested
> individuals to register using the registration form here. If a session
> organizer wishes to reach out to any of the resource persons below,
> they should contact the IGF Secretariat at...
>
>
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From khaled.koubaa at gmail.com  Sun Jun  5 06:14:11 2016
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Sorry for the Non Arabic speakers.

This is a call for application for the North Africa IGF MAG.

Deadline is June 30th 2016

Please do forward it to your friends and colleagues in North Africa.

Thank you


الأخوة والأخوات

تحية طيبة،



يسر لجنة الترشيح لمنتدى شمال افريقيا لحوكمة الإنترنت الإعلان عن إطلاق
الدعوة لكافة المهتمين من الخبراء في مجالات السياسات العامة المرتبطة
بالإنترنت من كافة دول شمال افريقيا إلى التقدم لعضوية اللجنة الاستشارية
لمنتدى شمال افريقيا لحوكمة الإنترنت في دورته الأولى  – 2016.


تعمل اللجنة الاستشارية المتعددة الأطراف على اعداد وتنظيم الاجتماع السنوي
لمنتدى حوكمة الانترنت بشمال افريقيا حسب القواعد التي تم النص عليها في وثيقة
تونس وذلك بضمان مشاركة كافة أصحاب المصلحة ووفقا للأطر التي تم مناقشتها
والاتفاق عليها في اجتماع المشاورات المفتوحة بمراكش يوم الخميس 10 مارس 2016.

وتشمل الوظائف الرئيسية للجنة :


   - تحديد الشعارالعام للمنتدى السنوي، ووضع جدول أعمال للاجتماع السنوي.
   - التواصل مع مجتمع حوكمة الإنترنت بدول شمال إفريقيا.
   - التواصل مع مجتمع حوكمة الإنترنت العالمي.
   - التسويق للمنتدى السنوي، والعمل على جلب ممولين له إن أمكن.
   - العمل على برنامج الزمالة والمنح.
   - تقديم تقرير لمجتمع حوكمة الانترنت بشمال إفريقيا.

لائحة بالمعايير المطلوب توفرها لدى المتقدمين لعضوية اللجنة:

   - الإلمام بخبرة ملائمة في مجال حوكمة الانترنت والسياسات العامة المتعلقة
   بها.
   - المعرفة الجيدة بمخرجات القمة العالمية حول مجتمع المعلومات (جينيف 2003،
   وتونس 2005).
   - المعرفة بآليات عمل المنتدى العالمي لحوكمة الانترنت.
   - مشاركات سابقة في إجتماعات دولية سياساتية ذات صلة.


يُراعى في تشكيل اللجنة تحقيق تمثيل متوازن بين كافة فئات أصحاب المصلحة، مع
مراعاة عوامل التوازن الجغرافي بين دول شمال افريقيا وكذلك التوازن بين
الجنسين قدر الإمكان.
يعرب الأعضاء المشاركين في إللجنة الاستشارية عن آرائهم بصفتهم الفردية كخبراء
في المجالات ذات الصلة.

تجدر الاشارة الى أن عمل أعضاء اللجنة الاستشارية المتعددة الأطراف هو عمل
تطوعي (بدون مقابل)، ويعتبر تقديم طلب الترشح لعضوية هذه اللجنة بمثابة
الالتزام بالمشاركة والمساهمة في أعمال اللجنة واجتماعاتها التحضيرية على مدار
الفترة الممتدة لدورة عضوية اللجنة وكذلك الالتزام بالمشاركة والمساهمة في
الاجتماع السنوي لمنتدى حوكمة الانترنت بشمال افريقيا.

الجدول الزمني لتكوين اللجنة الاستشارية :

   -

   يوم 30 جوان 2016 - آخر أجل لقبول الترشحات
   - يوم 15 جويلية 2016 - الاعلان عن أعضاء اللجنة الاستشارية



تجدون هنا  طلب لعضوية اللجنة الاستشارية متعددة الأطراف لمنتدى شمال افريقيا
لحوكمة الإنترنت - 2016 : https://goo.gl/Jyj1uR



وتفضلوا بقبول فائق الاحترام والتحية،



فريق  لجنة الترشيح
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sun Jun  5 06:18:00 2016
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 12:18:00 +0200
Subject: [governance] IGF Resource Persons list
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No, it has nothing to do with community recognition. People either need to
register or when their biography is uploaded as a speaker of a proposal,
their names appears in the list. Resource person should be also mostly used
to bring in the newcomers from various regions and new faces, not just old
timers.



On 5 June 2016 at 12:07, chlebrum . <chlebrum at gmail.com> wrote:

> ???
> A curious list where there is neither the most active Net Neutrality
> people, Luca Belli nor Louis Pouzin in critical internet resources. If it
> is only individuals who register themselves and not a community
> recognition is not very serious (even if there are great people like
> Milton) ;-))
>
> Chantal Lebrument
> ​Courriel: c <lebrument at open-root.eu>hlebrum at gmail.com
> Mob: +33 6 8369 5460
>
> 2016-06-05 2:36 GMT+02:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> A new database of specialists in internet governance topics in IGF
>> website.
>> Those interested in being part of the list can add themselves.
>>
>> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/resource-persons-list
>>
>> Resource Persons
>>
>> The IGF Secretariat is currently compiling a list of experts or
>> “Resource Persons” in preparation for the IGF 2016 event in
>> Guadalajara, Mexico. The purpose of this list of experts is to create
>> a more successful meeting by connecting appropriate experts to
>> workshop proposers and other IGF sessions. The role of the Resource
>> Person will be to provide unrestricted support, from subject expertise
>> to advice and/or underrepresented perspectives, and to act as a
>> speaker/moderator if requested. We strongly encourage all interested
>> individuals to register using the registration form here. If a session
>> organizer wishes to reach out to any of the resource persons below,
>> they should contact the IGF Secretariat at...
>>
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From braoust at gmail.com  Sun Jun  5 07:12:12 2016
From: braoust at gmail.com (brahim ousmane)
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> Le 5 juin 2016 à 11:14, Khaled Koubaa <khaled.koubaa at gmail.com> a écrit :
> 
> Sorry for the Non Arabic speakers. 
> This is a call for application for the North Africa IGF MAG.
> Deadline is June 30th 2016
> Please do forward it to your friends and colleagues in North Africa.
> Thank you 
> 
> الأخوة والأخوات
> تحية طيبة،
>  
> يسر لجنة الترشيح لمنتدى شمال افريقيا لحوكمة الإنترنت الإعلان عن إطلاق الدعوة لكافة المهتمين من الخبراء في مجالات السياسات العامة المرتبطة بالإنترنت من كافة دول شمال افريقيا إلى التقدم لعضوية اللجنة الاستشارية لمنتدى شمال افريقيا لحوكمة الإنترنت في دورته الأولى  – 2016.
> 
> تعمل اللجنة الاستشارية المتعددة الأطراف على اعداد وتنظيم الاجتماع السنوي لمنتدى حوكمة الانترنت بشمال افريقيا حسب القواعد التي تم النص عليها في وثيقة تونس وذلك بضمان مشاركة كافة أصحاب المصلحة ووفقا للأطر التي تم مناقشتها والاتفاق عليها في اجتماع المشاورات المفتوحة بمراكش يوم الخميس 10 مارس 2016.
> وتشمل الوظائف الرئيسية للجنة :
> تحديد الشعارالعام للمنتدى السنوي، ووضع جدول أعمال للاجتماع السنوي.
> التواصل مع مجتمع حوكمة الإنترنت بدول شمال إفريقيا. 
> التواصل مع مجتمع حوكمة الإنترنت العالمي.
> التسويق للمنتدى السنوي، والعمل على جلب ممولين له إن أمكن.
> العمل على برنامج الزمالة والمنح.
> تقديم تقرير لمجتمع حوكمة الانترنت بشمال إفريقيا.
> لائحة بالمعايير المطلوب توفرها لدى المتقدمين لعضوية اللجنة: 
> الإلمام بخبرة ملائمة في مجال حوكمة الانترنت والسياسات العامة المتعلقة بها.
> المعرفة الجيدة بمخرجات القمة العالمية حول مجتمع المعلومات (جينيف 2003، وتونس 2005).
> المعرفة بآليات عمل المنتدى العالمي لحوكمة الانترنت.
> مشاركات سابقة في إجتماعات دولية سياساتية ذات صلة.
> 
> يُراعى في تشكيل اللجنة تحقيق تمثيل متوازن بين كافة فئات أصحاب المصلحة، مع مراعاة عوامل التوازن الجغرافي بين دول شمال افريقيا وكذلك التوازن بين الجنسين قدر الإمكان.
> يعرب الأعضاء المشاركين في إللجنة الاستشارية عن آرائهم بصفتهم الفردية كخبراء في المجالات ذات الصلة.
> 
> تجدر الاشارة الى أن عمل أعضاء اللجنة الاستشارية المتعددة الأطراف هو عمل تطوعي (بدون مقابل)، ويعتبر تقديم طلب الترشح لعضوية هذه اللجنة بمثابة الالتزام بالمشاركة والمساهمة في أعمال اللجنة واجتماعاتها التحضيرية على مدار الفترة الممتدة لدورة عضوية اللجنة  وكذلك الالتزام بالمشاركة والمساهمة في الاجتماع السنوي لمنتدى حوكمة الانترنت بشمال افريقيا.
> 
> الجدول الزمني لتكوين اللجنة الاستشارية :
> يوم 30 جوان 2016 - آخر أجل لقبول الترشحات 
> يوم 15 جويلية 2016 - الاعلان عن أعضاء اللجنة الاستشارية
>  
> تجدون هنا  طلب لعضوية اللجنة الاستشارية متعددة الأطراف لمنتدى شمال افريقيا لحوكمة الإنترنت - 2016 : https://goo.gl/Jyj1uR
>  
> وتفضلوا بقبول فائق الاحترام والتحية،
>  
> فريق  لجنة الترشيح
> 
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Sun Jun  5 08:17:05 2016
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 08:17:05 -0400
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At least for me, (I don't speak Arabic) there's no apology necessary - it's
great to see Arabic appearing as part of the conversation.
Best wishes
Deirdre

2016-06-05 6:14 GMT-04:00 Khaled Koubaa <khaled.koubaa at gmail.com>:

> Sorry for the Non Arabic speakers.
>
> This is a call for application for the North Africa IGF MAG.
>
> Deadline is June 30th 2016
>
> Please do forward it to your friends and colleagues in North Africa.
>
> Thank you
>
>
> الأخوة والأخوات
>
> تحية طيبة،
>
>
>
> يسر لجنة الترشيح لمنتدى شمال افريقيا لحوكمة الإنترنت الإعلان عن إطلاق
> الدعوة لكافة المهتمين من الخبراء في مجالات السياسات العامة المرتبطة
> بالإنترنت من كافة دول شمال افريقيا إلى التقدم لعضوية اللجنة الاستشارية
> لمنتدى شمال افريقيا لحوكمة الإنترنت في دورته الأولى  – 2016.
>
>
> تعمل اللجنة الاستشارية المتعددة الأطراف على اعداد وتنظيم الاجتماع السنوي
> لمنتدى حوكمة الانترنت بشمال افريقيا حسب القواعد التي تم النص عليها في وثيقة
> تونس وذلك بضمان مشاركة كافة أصحاب المصلحة ووفقا للأطر التي تم مناقشتها
> والاتفاق عليها في اجتماع المشاورات المفتوحة بمراكش يوم الخميس 10 مارس 2016.
>
> وتشمل الوظائف الرئيسية للجنة :
>
>
>    - تحديد الشعارالعام للمنتدى السنوي، ووضع جدول أعمال للاجتماع السنوي.
>    - التواصل مع مجتمع حوكمة الإنترنت بدول شمال إفريقيا.
>    - التواصل مع مجتمع حوكمة الإنترنت العالمي.
>    - التسويق للمنتدى السنوي، والعمل على جلب ممولين له إن أمكن.
>    - العمل على برنامج الزمالة والمنح.
>    - تقديم تقرير لمجتمع حوكمة الانترنت بشمال إفريقيا.
>
> لائحة بالمعايير المطلوب توفرها لدى المتقدمين لعضوية اللجنة:
>
>    - الإلمام بخبرة ملائمة في مجال حوكمة الانترنت والسياسات العامة
>    المتعلقة بها.
>    - المعرفة الجيدة بمخرجات القمة العالمية حول مجتمع المعلومات (جينيف
>    2003، وتونس 2005).
>    - المعرفة بآليات عمل المنتدى العالمي لحوكمة الانترنت.
>    - مشاركات سابقة في إجتماعات دولية سياساتية ذات صلة.
>
>
> يُراعى في تشكيل اللجنة تحقيق تمثيل متوازن بين كافة فئات أصحاب المصلحة، مع
> مراعاة عوامل التوازن الجغرافي بين دول شمال افريقيا وكذلك التوازن بين
> الجنسين قدر الإمكان.
> يعرب الأعضاء المشاركين في إللجنة الاستشارية عن آرائهم بصفتهم الفردية
> كخبراء في المجالات ذات الصلة.
>
> تجدر الاشارة الى أن عمل أعضاء اللجنة الاستشارية المتعددة الأطراف هو عمل
> تطوعي (بدون مقابل)، ويعتبر تقديم طلب الترشح لعضوية هذه اللجنة بمثابة
> الالتزام بالمشاركة والمساهمة في أعمال اللجنة واجتماعاتها التحضيرية على مدار
> الفترة الممتدة لدورة عضوية اللجنة وكذلك الالتزام بالمشاركة والمساهمة في
> الاجتماع السنوي لمنتدى حوكمة الانترنت بشمال افريقيا.
>
> الجدول الزمني لتكوين اللجنة الاستشارية :
>
>    -
>
>    يوم 30 جوان 2016 - آخر أجل لقبول الترشحات
>    - يوم 15 جويلية 2016 - الاعلان عن أعضاء اللجنة الاستشارية
>
>
>
> تجدون هنا  طلب لعضوية اللجنة الاستشارية متعددة الأطراف لمنتدى شمال افريقيا
> لحوكمة الإنترنت - 2016 : https://goo.gl/Jyj1uR
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From avri at acm.org  Sun Jun  5 10:23:14 2016
From: avri at acm.org (avri doria)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 10:23:14 -0400
Subject: [governance] IGF Resource Persons list
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvA=K9bYsUK_SjB_jL7-YsXLTOSeoNPTzkmHexmBDJwXJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMokdMyVUR4gARmCeDOvAEfJ9SnycwS8wa6ZV-t5QoDQLfCcRA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANMQhZgK2nH_Ff-69Aoo1-i1ECEoVFZVqZxBqk_CQGP9x1rJ9A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <a0591047-cd5e-ad81-7cd2-29ab86291424@acm.org>

BTW, I want to make sure people have noticed that while there is a
preference for confirmed speakers, The MAG did decide that having
extended an invitation (a confirmable invitation) will be enough.  I
understand that this has been documented in the question itself and may
be noted elsewhere on the web site (not sure).


avri



On 05-Jun-16 06:18, farzaneh badii wrote:
>
> No, it has nothing to do with community recognition. People either
> need to register or when their biography is uploaded as a speaker of a
> proposal, their names appears in the list. Resource person should be
> also mostly used to bring in the newcomers from various regions and
> new faces, not just old timers. 
>
>
>
> On 5 June 2016 at 12:07, chlebrum . <chlebrum at gmail.com
> <mailto:chlebrum at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     ???
>     A curious list where there is neither the most active Net
>     Neutrality people, Luca Belli nor Louis Pouzin in critical
>     internet resources. If it is only individuals who register
>     themselves and not a community recognition is not very serious
>     (even if there are great people like Milton);-))
>
>     Chantal Lebrument
>     ​Courriel: c <mailto:lebrument at open-root.eu>hlebrum at gmail.com
>     <mailto:hlebrum at gmail.com>
>     Mob: +33 6 8369 5460 <tel:%2B33%206%208369%205460>
>
>     2016-06-05 2:36 GMT+02:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com
>     <mailto:raquino at gmail.com>>:
>
>         Hi
>
>         A new database of specialists in internet governance topics in
>         IGF website.
>         Those interested in being part of the list can add themselves.
>
>         http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/resource-persons-list
>
>         Resource Persons
>
>         The IGF Secretariat is currently compiling a list of experts or
>         “Resource Persons” in preparation for the IGF 2016 event in
>         Guadalajara, Mexico. The purpose of this list of experts is to
>         create
>         a more successful meeting by connecting appropriate experts to
>         workshop proposers and other IGF sessions. The role of the
>         Resource
>         Person will be to provide unrestricted support, from subject
>         expertise
>         to advice and/or underrepresented perspectives, and to act as a
>         speaker/moderator if requested. We strongly encourage all
>         interested
>         individuals to register using the registration form here. If a
>         session
>         organizer wishes to reach out to any of the resource persons
>         below,
>         they should contact the IGF Secretariat at...
>
>
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From chlebrum at gmail.com  Sun Jun  5 11:03:24 2016
From: chlebrum at gmail.com (chlebrum .)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 17:03:24 +0200
Subject: [governance] IGF Resource Persons list
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Thanks Avri,

As "confirmed speakers" are in fact auto-registered speakers I hope MAG
will have a kindly eye to the speakers submitted on proposals ;-))

Best,

Chantal Lebrument
​Courriel: c <lebrument at open-root.eu>hlebrum at gmail.com
Mob: +33 6 8369 5460

2016-06-05 16:23 GMT+02:00 avri doria <avri at acm.org>:

> BTW, I want to make sure people have noticed that while there is a
> preference for confirmed speakers, The MAG did decide that having
> extended an invitation (a confirmable invitation) will be enough.  I
> understand that this has been documented in the question itself and may
> be noted elsewhere on the web site (not sure).
>
>
> avri
>
>
>
> On 05-Jun-16 06:18, farzaneh badii wrote:
> >
> > No, it has nothing to do with community recognition. People either
> > need to register or when their biography is uploaded as a speaker of a
> > proposal, their names appears in the list. Resource person should be
> > also mostly used to bring in the newcomers from various regions and
> > new faces, not just old timers.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5 June 2016 at 12:07, chlebrum . <chlebrum at gmail.com
> > <mailto:chlebrum at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     ???
> >     A curious list where there is neither the most active Net
> >     Neutrality people, Luca Belli nor Louis Pouzin in critical
> >     internet resources. If it is only individuals who register
> >     themselves and not a community recognition is not very serious
> >     (even if there are great people like Milton);-))
> >
> >     Chantal Lebrument
> >     ​Courriel: c <mailto:lebrument at open-root.eu>hlebrum at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:hlebrum at gmail.com>
> >     Mob: +33 6 8369 5460 <tel:%2B33%206%208369%205460>
> >
> >     2016-06-05 2:36 GMT+02:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:raquino at gmail.com>>:
> >
> >         Hi
> >
> >         A new database of specialists in internet governance topics in
> >         IGF website.
> >         Those interested in being part of the list can add themselves.
> >
> >         http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/resource-persons-list
> >
> >         Resource Persons
> >
> >         The IGF Secretariat is currently compiling a list of experts or
> >         “Resource Persons” in preparation for the IGF 2016 event in
> >         Guadalajara, Mexico. The purpose of this list of experts is to
> >         create
> >         a more successful meeting by connecting appropriate experts to
> >         workshop proposers and other IGF sessions. The role of the
> >         Resource
> >         Person will be to provide unrestricted support, from subject
> >         expertise
> >         to advice and/or underrepresented perspectives, and to act as a
> >         speaker/moderator if requested. We strongly encourage all
> >         interested
> >         individuals to register using the registration form here. If a
> >         session
> >         organizer wishes to reach out to any of the resource persons
> >         below,
> >         they should contact the IGF Secretariat at...
> >
> >
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From nb at bollow.ch  Sun Jun  5 12:47:46 2016
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 18:47:46 +0200
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?B?2YHYqtitINin2YTYqNin2Kgg2YTZhNiq2YI=?=
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On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 08:17:05 -0400
Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:

> At least for me, (I don't speak Arabic) there's no apology necessary
> - it's great to see Arabic appearing as part of the conversation.

+1

Greetings,
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From ca at cafonso.ca  Sun Jun  5 12:57:09 2016
From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos Afonso)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:57:09 -0300
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?B?2YHYqtitINin2YTYqNin2Kgg2YTZhNiq2YI=?=
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Great news, Khaled!

I took the liberty (sorry) to insert the Arabic text into Google
Translate for English, and the resulting text is below (I did not dare
to change a single bit). I think it does a good job in letting us
non-Arabic readers capture the essence of the announcement.

fraternal regards

--c.a.

====

brothers and sisters

good greeting,

The Nominating Committee of the Forum for North Africa Internet
governance is pleased to announce the launch
Call for all interested experts in the areas of public policy related
Internet of all North African countries to apply for membership of the
Advisory Committee
Forum North Africa Internet governance at its first session --2,016.

Multilateral consultative committee is working on the preparation and
organization of the annual meeting
IGF North Africa by the rules that were stipulated in a document
Tunisia by ensuring the participation of all stakeholders and in
accordance with the frameworks that have been discussed
And agreed upon at a meeting open consultations in Marrakech on
Thursday, March 10 2016.

The main functions of the Commission:

   - Identify Alharam annual visit, and develop an agenda for the annual
meeting.
   - Communication with the countries of North Africa, the governance of
the Internet community.
   - Communicate with the global Internet governance community.
   - Marketing of the annual forum, and work to bring the financiers him
if possible.
   - Work on the fellowship and grants program.
   - Submit a report to the community in North Africa Internet Governance.

A list of the required standards provided by the applicants for
membership of the Committee:

   - Knowledge of appropriate experience in the field of public policies
on Internet Governance
   Them.
   - Good knowledge of the outputs of the World Summit on the
Information Society (Geneva, 2003
   Tunisia 2005).
   - Knowledge of the work of the Global Forum on Internet Governance
mechanisms.
   - Posts from previous policy in the relevant international meetings.

Taken into account in the formation of the committee to achieve a
balanced representation among all stakeholder groups, with
Taking into account the geographical balance between the North African
countries of factors as well as the balance between
Gender as much as possible.
It expresses the participating members of the Advisory Committee for
their opinions as experts in their individual capacities
In the relevant fields.

It should be noted that the work of the members of the Multilateral
Consultative Committee is the work
Voluntary (free of charge), and is considered to apply to run for the
membership of this committee as a
A commitment to participate and contribute to the work of the
Preparatory Committee and meetings throughout the
The period of the cycle of membership of the Committee as well as a
commitment to participate and contribute to the
The annual meeting of the Internet Governance Forum in northern Africa.

The timetable for the composition of the Advisory Committee:

   - On June 30, 2016 - Deadline for accepting nominations
   - On 15 July 2016 - the announcement of the members of the Advisory
Committee

Here you will find the request for membership in multiple parties to the
Advisory Committee of the Forum for North Africa
Internet governance - 2016: https://goo.gl/Jyj1uR

Yours Sincerely greeting and acceptance,

Nominating Committee team

====

On 05/06/2016 07:14, Khaled Koubaa wrote:
> Sorry for the Non Arabic speakers.
> 
> This is a call for application for the North Africa IGF MAG.
> 
> Deadline is June 30th 2016
> 
> Please do forward it to your friends and colleagues in North Africa.
> 
> Thank you
> 
> 
> الأخوة والأخوات
> 
> تحية طيبة،
> 
> 
> 
> يسر لجنة الترشيح لمنتدى شمال افريقيا لحوكمة الإنترنت الإعلان عن إطلاق
> الدعوة لكافة المهتمين من الخبراء في مجالات السياسات العامة المرتبطة
> بالإنترنت من كافة دول شمال افريقيا إلى التقدم لعضوية اللجنة الاستشارية
> لمنتدى شمال افريقيا لحوكمة الإنترنت في دورته الأولى  – 2016.
> 
> 
> تعمل اللجنة الاستشارية المتعددة الأطراف على اعداد وتنظيم الاجتماع السنوي
> لمنتدى حوكمة الانترنت بشمال افريقيا حسب القواعد التي تم النص عليها في وثيقة
> تونس وذلك بضمان مشاركة كافة أصحاب المصلحة ووفقا للأطر التي تم مناقشتها
> والاتفاق عليها في اجتماع المشاورات المفتوحة بمراكش يوم الخميس 10 مارس 2016.
> 
> وتشمل الوظائف الرئيسية للجنة :
> 
> 
>    - تحديد الشعارالعام للمنتدى السنوي، ووضع جدول أعمال للاجتماع السنوي.
>    - التواصل مع مجتمع حوكمة الإنترنت بدول شمال إفريقيا.
>    - التواصل مع مجتمع حوكمة الإنترنت العالمي.
>    - التسويق للمنتدى السنوي، والعمل على جلب ممولين له إن أمكن.
>    - العمل على برنامج الزمالة والمنح.
>    - تقديم تقرير لمجتمع حوكمة الانترنت بشمال إفريقيا.
> 
> لائحة بالمعايير المطلوب توفرها لدى المتقدمين لعضوية اللجنة:
> 
>    - الإلمام بخبرة ملائمة في مجال حوكمة الانترنت والسياسات العامة المتعلقة
>    بها.
>    - المعرفة الجيدة بمخرجات القمة العالمية حول مجتمع المعلومات (جينيف 2003،
>    وتونس 2005).
>    - المعرفة بآليات عمل المنتدى العالمي لحوكمة الانترنت.
>    - مشاركات سابقة في إجتماعات دولية سياساتية ذات صلة.
> 
> 
> يُراعى في تشكيل اللجنة تحقيق تمثيل متوازن بين كافة فئات أصحاب المصلحة، مع
> مراعاة عوامل التوازن الجغرافي بين دول شمال افريقيا وكذلك التوازن بين
> الجنسين قدر الإمكان.
> يعرب الأعضاء المشاركين في إللجنة الاستشارية عن آرائهم بصفتهم الفردية كخبراء
> في المجالات ذات الصلة.
> 
> تجدر الاشارة الى أن عمل أعضاء اللجنة الاستشارية المتعددة الأطراف هو عمل
> تطوعي (بدون مقابل)، ويعتبر تقديم طلب الترشح لعضوية هذه اللجنة بمثابة
> الالتزام بالمشاركة والمساهمة في أعمال اللجنة واجتماعاتها التحضيرية على مدار
> الفترة الممتدة لدورة عضوية اللجنة وكذلك الالتزام بالمشاركة والمساهمة في
> الاجتماع السنوي لمنتدى حوكمة الانترنت بشمال افريقيا.
> 
> الجدول الزمني لتكوين اللجنة الاستشارية :
> 
>    -
> 
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From avri at acm.org  Sun Jun  5 13:04:55 2016
From: avri at acm.org (avri doria)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:04:55 -0400
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hi,

I think so too.  And the online translation one can get is helpful, even
if somewhat strained at times

As online translation continues to improve, I wonder whether there are,
or should be, email list software tools that allow users to set a
preferred language and that the software would automatically append a
machine translation to email not in their preset language.

This seems one of those instances where a technical innovation could
help with inclusion.

Just a random Sunday observation.

avri

On 05-Jun-16 12:47, Norbert Bollow wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 08:17:05 -0400
> Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> At least for me, (I don't speak Arabic) there's no apology necessary
>> - it's great to see Arabic appearing as part of the conversation.
> +1
>
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From divina.meigs at orange.fr  Sun Jun  5 13:24:42 2016
From: divina.meigs at orange.fr (Divina MEIGS)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 19:24:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [governance] Right to Information
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well put, Deirdre!

Divina 

 

 

 

 

> Message du 04/06/16 18:04
> De : "Deirdre Williams" 
> A : "Internet Governance" , "bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" , "JNC Forum" , "Robin Gross" , "Chat Garcia Ramilo" 
> Copie à : 
> Objet : [governance] Right to Information
> 
>
Dear Friends,
Please excuse the deliberate cross-posting.

>
The Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) is just finishing a selection, working to very tight deadlines, of representatives of civil society as a whole to attend a Retreat to be held in New York next month on the future of the Internet Governance Forum.

>
When the Retreat was first proposed there was considerable debate about the involvement of civil society, and about whether CSCG should make the selection. Finally it was agreed that CSCG should go ahead. After that there was silence.

>
Currently there is no public knowledge of whether anyone at all in fact presented themselves to CSCG for selection, nor, if anyone did, do we have any idea of who they might be.

>
But those about to be represented, civil society as a whole, have a right to know the answers to these questions, and to know them BEFORE any selection is completed.

>
This is a reminder to all of us, particularly in the context of the review of the CSCG, of the need to remember to "think communally" if we really want to change a hierarchical system, to be constantly aware of the obligation of information as a right, not as a favour, to all participants. 

>
Lack of engagement is a ubiquitous problem of governance. The "stakeholders" abdicate from participation in part at least because the "more equal" stakeholders turn to each other rather than to them. In this there could be one answer to Item 2 of the call for comment on the Retreat draft agenda which reads:

2)     What measures can be taken to engage those stakeholders who are currently unengaged, with a view to expand and diversify physical and virtual participation?


>

Best wishes

Deirdre


>


>


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From udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng  Sun Jun  5 14:08:18 2016
From: udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng (Chris Prince Udochukwu Njoku)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 19:08:18 +0100
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An important big coding challenge, Avri. I agree wholly. Had anyone else
taken note?

CPU

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On Jun 5, 2016 6:05 PM, "avri doria" <avri at acm.org> wrote:

> hi,
>
> I think so too.  And the online translation one can get is helpful, even
> if somewhat strained at times
>
> As online translation continues to improve, I wonder whether there are,
> or should be, email list software tools that allow users to set a
> preferred language and that the software would automatically append a
> machine translation to email not in their preset language.
>
> This seems one of those instances where a technical innovation could
> help with inclusion.
>
> Just a random Sunday observation.
>
> avri
>
> On 05-Jun-16 12:47, Norbert Bollow wrote:
> > On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 08:17:05 -0400
> > Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> At least for me, (I don't speak Arabic) there's no apology necessary
> >> - it's great to see Arabic appearing as part of the conversation.
> > +1
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Norbert
> >
> >
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From judith at jhellerstein.com  Sun Jun  5 14:30:48 2016
From: judith at jhellerstein.com (Judith Hellerstein)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 11:30:48 -0700
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Hi all

At large LACRALO has been working on this for a while and finally got staff supply for this project. We are still in the testing phase, but for people who want to test it out I can send you the links

Judith
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> On Jun 5, 2016, at 11:08 AM, Chris Prince Udochukwu Njoku <udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng> wrote:
> 
> An important big coding challenge, Avri. I agree wholly. Had anyone else taken note?
> 
> CPU
> 
> ___________________________________
> Sent from Magnum 7X smartphone
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>> On Jun 5, 2016 6:05 PM, "avri doria" <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>> hi,
>> 
>> I think so too.  And the online translation one can get is helpful, even
>> if somewhat strained at times
>> 
>> As online translation continues to improve, I wonder whether there are,
>> or should be, email list software tools that allow users to set a
>> preferred language and that the software would automatically append a
>> machine translation to email not in their preset language.
>> 
>> This seems one of those instances where a technical innovation could
>> help with inclusion.
>> 
>> Just a random Sunday observation.
>> 
>> avri
>> 
>> On 05-Jun-16 12:47, Norbert Bollow wrote:
>> > On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 08:17:05 -0400
>> > Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> At least for me, (I don't speak Arabic) there's no apology necessary
>> >> - it's great to see Arabic appearing as part of the conversation.
>> > +1
>> >
>> > Greetings,
>> > Norbert
>> >
>> >
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From arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr  Sun Jun  5 15:12:36 2016
From: arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr (Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo))
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 19:12:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [governance] Fw: Urgent - Final Phase: IGC workshop proposal to
 the IGF
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 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; }  Great, 
Please send me (Urgently) the following about you: Name, Adress, City, Country, Email, Phone, Stakeholder Group, Region, Affiliation, Speciality, Bio (50 words).

---------------------Arsene Tungali,IGC Co-coordinator at arsenebaguma+243 993810967 (DRCongo)Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone (excuse typos and brievity)


On Friday, June 3, 2016, 5:15 PM, Baudouin Schombe <baudouin.schombe at gmail.com> wrote:

To have opted for second theme, I propose to be among speaker.
2016-06-03 12:23 GMT+01:00 Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo) <arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr>:

 Dear colleagues,
This is a friendly and last reminder about this. Please do consider providing your comments and inputs to help conclude this process.
I continue to receive names of those who want to be considered as speakers and answers to the other requests presented there (see bellow).
We have until June 4th at 11pm UTC to conclude this so that i can move to the last phase of submiting our ws proposal.
Thanks for your contributions and constant support.
Regards,A
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On Tuesday, May 31, 2016, 1:06 PM, Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo) <arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr> wrote:


Dear list members,
[Apologize for a longemail. I start a new conversation to avoid confusion. For reference, please dorefer to the email thread: “IGF Workshop Proposal on behalf of the IGC”]
Thank you all for thecomments/contributions we received so far. This shows that we all are interestedin having a workshop proposal be sent on behalf of the IGC. After going throughall contributions, I found myself in a very difficult position to sum up andcome up with one proposal.
So, here are my thoughts.Please do bear with me, especially given the time constraint.
The first proposal wassuggested by Deidre: “Erosion of identityor homogenisation by internet - Is it important? Should it be prevented? Can itbe prevented? How ?”
This one has got morethan ten endorsements and for every new contribution received, I found myselfbeing more and more confused by the different aspects this proposal has initself. It looks very wide, vast for me, though covering some important facts.
Contributions made byLouis Puzin made it a bit clearer but again when commented by other colleagues,it became again more and more confusing. I fear such workshop will have lessinterest from a CS point of view, also very little connexion to SDGS. Given I ampersonally not able to understand it properly; I find it difficult for me toendorse and submit it on behalf of the IGC.
This said, I wouldsuggest this topic to be submitted by another individual member but not onbehalf of the IGC.
The second topic had few(only two recorded) and I recall Milton asking it to be more specific, havespecific issues or questions that it addresses since it appears to be general,broad and not focused. I would suggest we leave it.
The third proposal onICT4D got nearly 6 endorsements and I personally feel this is much clearer, hasa CS component in it, can easily attract participants if well prepared and withgood panelists. I am voting for it, would suggest IGC to maintain it but reframeit to make it a suitable for everyone.
The original formulation(by Akinremi) was:“ICT for development: Harnessing the role of CSfor access, finance and knowledge” 
This was then rephrasedby Remmy this way: “ICT for development: Connecting Civil Societyroles on access, finance and knowledge”
If you agree with me inkeeping this topic for the IGC as rephrased by Remmy, I will be requesting thefollowing from the group moving forward and given the time left before us:
-         To makesuggestions on how best we can rephrase this proposal (or agree on theavailable sentence),-         To advise onthe format to chose (I would suggest not a panel which is less encouraged bythe IGF Secretariat and requires a background paper),-         To let meknow if you wish to be considered as workshop co-organizer-         To let meknow if you want to be considered as speaker, moderator, remote moderator,rapporteur, etc. 
I am particularly lookingfor outstanding individuals from this group who can give credit to our proposaland who have experience in workshop organization, planning to attend in person(or remotely) the upcoming IGF.
Hope this is clear and I welcomecomments and discussion. But please bear in mind we have little time remainingand would suggest we finish this process by June 3rd to allow sometime to submit before the deadline.
Best regards,A------------------------------------------------------Arsène Tungali,IGC Co-Coordinator,
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From arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr  Sun Jun  5 15:40:54 2016
From: arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr (Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo))
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 19:40:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [governance] IGF Resource Persons list
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 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; }  Hope too as well.
But i encourage people ('real' confirmed speakers) to register so to make it easy to be contacted by ws organizers

---------------------Arsene Tungali,IGC Co-coordinator at arsenebaguma+243 993810967 (DRCongo)Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone (excuse typos and brievity)


On Sunday, June 5, 2016, 5:04 PM, chlebrum . <chlebrum at gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Avri,

As "confirmed speakers" are in fact auto-registered speakers I hope MAG will have a kindly eye to the speakers submitted on proposals ;-))

Best,

Chantal Lebrument​Courriel: chlebrum at gmail.com
Mob: +33 6 8369 5460
2016-06-05 16:23 GMT+02:00 avri doria <avri at acm.org>:

BTW, I want to make sure people have noticed that while there is a
preference for confirmed speakers, The MAG did decide that having
extended an invitation (a confirmable invitation) will be enough.  I
understand that this has been documented in the question itself and may
be noted elsewhere on the web site (not sure).


avri



On 05-Jun-16 06:18, farzaneh badii wrote:
>
> No, it has nothing to do with community recognition. People either
> need to register or when their biography is uploaded as a speaker of a
> proposal, their names appears in the list. Resource person should be
> also mostly used to bring in the newcomers from various regions and
> new faces, not just old timers.
>
>
>
> On 5 June 2016 at 12:07, chlebrum . <chlebrum at gmail.com
> <mailto:chlebrum at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     ???
>     A curious list where there is neither the most active Net
>     Neutrality people, Luca Belli nor Louis Pouzin in critical
>     internet resources. If it is only individuals who register
>     themselves and not a community recognition is not very serious
>     (even if there are great people like Milton);-))
>
>     Chantal Lebrument
>     ​Courriel: c <mailto:lebrument at open-root.eu>hlebrum at gmail.com
>     <mailto:hlebrum at gmail.com>
>     Mob: +33 6 8369 5460 <tel:%2B33%206%208369%205460>
>
>     2016-06-05 2:36 GMT+02:00 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com
>     <mailto:raquino at gmail.com>>:
>
>         Hi
>
>         A new database of specialists in internet governance topics in
>         IGF website.
>         Those interested in being part of the list can add themselves.
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From ian.peter at ianpeter.com  Mon Jun  6 04:54:12 2016
From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 18:54:12 +1000
Subject: [governance] Fw: Civil Society Nominations for IGF Planning
 Retreat, 14-16 July 2016
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Below is an email just sent to the IGF Secretariat outlining the CSCG nominations for this event. Many thanks to those who applied to attend representing civil society.

Ian Peter

COPY OF EMAIL FOLLOWS

Dear Chengetai,

We are pleased to forward the names of civil society representatives  nominated for the IGF Retreat on Advancing the 10-Year Mandate of the Internet Governance Forum on 14-16 July 2016.


Our understanding is that you want from us 2 designated participants, plus 3-4 additional nominees. This is in addition to the MAG member’s nomination of Lea Kaspar, which you will already be aware of.



Our two designated attendees are:

1. Stuart Hamilton – Netherlands -Deputy Secretary General, International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions (IFLA)

2  Anriette Esterhuysen – South Africa – Executive Director, Association for Progressive Communications (APC)



Our additional nominations are:

3. Jac S M Kee – Malaysia – Manager Women’s Rights Program, APC

4. Cisse Kane -Senegal - Chair, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS)

5. Analia Apsis – Argentina – Co-coordinator, Internet Governance Caucus

6. Renata Ribeiro – Brazil - IT Professor, Federal University of Ceará, Brazil.



I believe you will have biographical details of all of these nominations, as we believe they all also applied by your online system; but please contact us if you need further information on any of these applicants.

These names have been selected after following as best possible in the time available our established procedures, which are outlined at http://www.internetgov-cs.org/procedures. They were chosen from 10 people who made direct contact with us seeking endorsement as civil society representatives. (Their names are included in Appendix A).

We commend these excellent representatives of civil society to you.

Additionally, and in the spirit of co-operation to ensure the best possible representivity for civil society stakeholders as such events, I wonder if you could take on board the following suggestions on conducting future such exercises, and circulate these to relevant colleagues?

The recommendations are based on the best practice we have observed with other organisations in selecting multistakeholder representatives. We are aware that on this occasion there have been some problems with the way this event was announced, but we will keep our comments to some positive suggestions on procedures for selecting applicants.



1.       The process you ran necessitated all civil society applicants applying via your advertised procedures, and then separately to us. Most organisations these days run a transparent process whereby applications details are shared with stakeholder groups. This is not a privacy problem if people are advised beforehand. We commend this method to you as one which is easier for applicants, and also allows for better sharing of information towards selecting the best possible candidates.

2.       An unusual feature of the way this selection was managed is that we needed to tell you our selections at the same time as you were still receiving applications (our deadline was the same as the applicant’s deadline). This was further complicated by the MAG members selecting their representative at the same time. May we suggest that, in allocating timeframes for such processes, you allow a period of time after individual nominations have closed to receive stakeholder group nominations? This makes for a less messy process all round.

3.       We understand that, in finalising stakeholder representatives, you wish to ensure that you achieve the best possible gender and geographic balance across stakeholder groups. Your process for doing this on this and other occasions has been to make final selections yourselves without further consultation with stakeholder groups. This can sometimes be problematic, as you cannot possibly be aware of the ramifications of some such choices within stakeholder groups.

       The way other organisations have handled this is to arrange a simultaneous phone hookup with representatives of stakeholder groups to discuss such final balance issues. You will find that we actually work quite well together in such circumstances, and we believe that the results will be more acceptable to stakeholder groups if this quick final consultation is included. This is also more aligned with the recommendation of the Working Group on Improvements to the IGF, later endorsed by the UN General Assembly, seeking self-management of stakeholder representative processes by respective stakeholder groups. Your current practices need to move further in this direction.

We offer the above suggestions in the spirit of co-operation with you, as we also want to see the best possible representation of stakeholders. And again, we offer our services to work with you and other stakeholder groups to refine procedures to ensure more acceptable and more representative results.



Sincerely,



Ian Peter – Independent Chair, Internet Governance Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG)

(The Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) exists solely to ensure a coordinated civil society response and conduit when it comes to making civil society appointments to outside bodies. It comprises representatives of the coalition members of the Best Bits, Association for Progressive Communications, Internet Governance Caucus, Just Net Coalition, and Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN. Together the reach of these groups extends to many hundreds of non-governmental organisations, as well as a much greater number of individuals. )







APPENDIX ONE –



APPLICANTS ASSESSED

Analia Apsis  * 

Tijani Ben Jemaa

Deborah Brown

Anriette Esterhuysen **

Stuart Hamilton **

Cisse Kane *

 Jac SM Kee *

Remmy Nweke

Renata Ribeiro *

 Klaus Stoll






   

   
    

    








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From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Mon Jun  6 05:00:35 2016
From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=)
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 11:00:35 +0200
Subject: AW: [governance] [NCSG-Discuss] Update: CSCG & IGF Planning Retreat
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1+ to Bill. 

Yes indeed, it helps to understand the process and its special history. 

We should not forget that the "Multistakeholder Approach" is a (rather radical) innovation in global policy making and decision taking. The approach was desigend and pushed forward by a small goup of Internet people within the frameworks of IETF and ICANN in the 1990s and introduced into the UNICTTF and WSIS in the early 2000s. It is seen now as a success and the better (only?) way to handle the new complexities of the Internet Age. 

But now, when Internet policies penetrates all spheres of the political discussions in areas like security, trade and human rights we see a "clash of cultures" where the innovative open, transparent and bottom up policy making procedures clash with the traditional top down approaches and deal makings behind closed doorsof the politcal Establishment. A lot of "old professionals" in the world of policy making trust what they know and mistrust new approaches. We see this in the US Congress, where senators in the IANA Transition are asking critical questions full of mistrust about the multistakeholder model and prefer the "traditional oversight" by a known politcal players as the US government. We see this in the G 7 where the leaders of the industrial world give lip service to the multistakeholder principle but produce documents, drafted by governmental sherpas behind closed doors without any call for public input and an opportunity for public comment. And we see this in the UN. 

My understanding is that UNDESA has no bad intentions or does not plan a "conspiracy" against the IGF. They are just doing their "business as usual". And they have not yet understood that the 21st century is different from the 20th century. They have not yet understood that the multistakeholder model is not based on the principle of national sovereignty of UN member states but on principles like openess, transparency, equal Access for all governmental and non-governmental stakeholderrs, bottom up policy development, rough consenus and running code. 

Insofar we should use the opportunity to comment on the planned IGF retreat by explaining more in detail what we (NCUC, civil society) expect from a multistakeholder process. There are good references in the WSIS +10 document, so we can take them by their own words and lead them into the new world of open and transparent policy making mechanisms.

Wolfgang

BTW, I have raised this issue already two years ago here:
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20140818_sailing_backwards_wsis_10_avoids_entering_unchartered_territory/




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Betreff: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Update: CSCG & IGF Planning Retreat
 
Hi Shane

Thanks for your note and nice to meet you BTW.

In the early years of the IGF liftoff the initial MAG meetings were very tense as all the polarizing issues raised just prior in WSIS were still in the air and the various sides were strategizing heavily on how to control the narrative  and meeting agendas.  In particular, the tech and business communities and their supporters in OECD governments were very worried that the IGF would be overly focused on ICANN and its perceived shortcomings and demands for a new UN body with superpowers inter alia to 'oversee' ICANN, so much so that the WSIS-era code word for names number root system etc.---critical Internet resources---could not be addressed in the initial 2006 Athens program. (by way of explanation you can look at the chapter 'Critical Internet Resources: Coping with the Elephant in the Room' by NCUCer Jeanette Hofmann in the book I edited based on the Sharm meeting http://amzn.to/1Y2sKqc <http://amzn.to/1Y2sKqc>, and the chapter 'A critical look at critical Internet resources, since WGIG' by Paul Wilson and Pablo Hinojosa in the booked I edited for the WGIG's 10th anniversary http://amzn.to/22IcHi3 <http://amzn.to/22IcHi3>).  So in that period, calls, particularly from NCUC members and others in civil society, for full transparency, openness to observers, and remote participation in the MAG meetings were denied, and the best we could get was Chatham-based post hoc summaries of the MAG's closed mail list.  

But people keep kept pressing for more, in keeping with the original WGIG vision and subsequent TA mandate, and as comfort levels increased people unclenched and we were progressively to get these things. Now the F2F meets are open to all whose atoms are in Geneva, the sessions have remote participation, there are no secret documents involved, and the IGF uses a publicly archived mail list (if memory serves a private one was retained for sensitive discussions of people, e.g. possibilities for the main sessions, but I don't recall that we really used it much when I was a member).  Sorry, I don't remember the precise dates on which each of these shifts happened but the info should be on the website. 

So there has been institutionalized in the collective mind and in the concrete practice of the 'IGF community' (those who are actively engaged and care about building this multistakeholder process) a strong presumption that everything should be open and fairly bottom up.  However, the UN bureaucracy has never bought into this, at least with respect to its own operations.  So the stakeholders nominate candidates to the MAG bottom up but DESA decides among these in a black box fashion.  So reports for ECOSOC about the IGF's progress get commissioned and then buried by DESA without informing community reps on the MAG.  So consultations and decisions happen between the DESA and various powers that be behind closed doors with no reporting. So swank retreats with unclear mandates and authority get decided and announced by DESA without any consultation with the MAG, and when people like me and Avri and Renata jump up and down on various lists about the need for transparency and remote participation, we get back as a grudging answer that maybe some sessions of the retreat can be reported out on a Chatham basis.  This is inconsistent with the norms and processes the community has established, and is regressive.  Hence the discussion.

In other contexts Chatham can be quite useful and is a step toward opening closed processes.  Here it is a step toward closing open processes.

Hope that helps,

Bill



> On Jun 6, 2016, at 05:17, Shane Kerr <shane at time-travellers.org> wrote:
> 
> William,
> 
> It seemed to me that you were implying that the Chatham House style is
> obviously bad. It is not. There are benefits and drawbacks.
> 
> I'd be interested to hear what the "various reasons" are that the IGF
> does not use it. You know, for transparency. ;) (Ideally you can just
> point me to the documentation about this...)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> --
> Shane
> 
> At 2016-06-03 13:31:44 +0200
> William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Thanks Shane.  I'm familiar with the rule.  We don't use it in the IGF, for various reasons, at least not since the early tense days of the MAG.
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:13, Shane Kerr <shane at time-travellers.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> William,
>>> 
>>> At 2016-06-03 11:13:55 +0200
>>> William Drake <wjdrake at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 02:06, avri doria <avri at apc.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chatham House style (content w/o attribution)    
>>>> 
>>>> In true bottom up transparent community driven IGF fashion..not.  
>>> 
>>> To be honest, that doesn't seem too horrible. The Chatham House rule is
>>> there for a reason:
>>> 
>>>   Q. What are the benefits of using the Rule?
>>> 
>>>   A. It allows people to speak as individuals, and to express views
>>>   that may not be those of their organizations, and therefore it
>>>   encourages free discussion. People usually feel more relaxed if
>>>   they don't have to worry about their reputation or the implications
>>>   if they are publicly quoted.
>>> 
>>> https://www.chathamhouse.org/about/chatham-house-rule
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Shane - speaking only for myself  ;)  
>> 
>> 
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>>  University of Zurich, Switzerland
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From wjdrake at gmail.com  Mon Jun  6 05:07:44 2016
From: wjdrake at gmail.com (William Drake)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 11:07:44 +0200
Subject: [governance] [NCSG-Discuss] Update: CSCG & IGF Planning Retreat
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> On Jun 6, 2016, at 11:00, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:
> 
> My understanding is that UNDESA has no bad intentions or does not plan a "conspiracy" against the IGF. They are just doing their "business as usual". And they have not yet understood that the 21st century is different from the 20th century. They have not yet understood that the multistakeholder model is not based on the principle of national sovereignty of UN member states but on principles like openess, transparency, equal Access for all governmental and non-governmental stakeholderrs, bottom up policy development, rough consenus and running code. 

I want to believe this interpretation and wish there were visible data points supporting it.

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From ian.peter at ianpeter.com  Mon Jun  6 05:51:07 2016
From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 19:51:07 +1000
Subject: [governance] [NCSG-Discuss] Update: CSCG & IGF Planning Retreat
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References: <1EC1209C100542C099CF9B128897697E@Toshiba> <920742D7-3BEF-4BF3-A2BB-DD7FF351664E@ipjustice.org> <C960ED59-A1DA-4A1C-A755-5B3EE08F5B65@ipjustice.org> <604a3e4a-8203-9f55-802a-0c11d4b0187e@apc.org> <CABDXvWo_R7qsLX_hBWFJoNc88ux+p=Yn83eqsNgHjrn+QZGLHQ@mail.gmail.com> <82fe4bf0-904c-8dc5-8c8a-276373d79086@apc.org> <898097F2-2E78-4868-990E-3F1DE3D136C2@gmail.com> <20160603181337.7c7b7343@pallas.home.time-travellers.org> <F4986C98-0A2A-4C96-8EF4-FB79D144CBDF@gmail.com> <20160606111713.48007e97@pallas.home.time-travellers.org> A <A5DAB3F6-3A9F-40DB-B247-418433889E8D@gmail.com> <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A801A2AC19@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
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Wolfgang wrote

>Insofar we should use the opportunity to comment on the planned IGF retreat 
>by explaining more in detail what we (NCUC, civil society) expect from a 
>multistakeholder process. There are good >references in the WSIS +10 
>document, so we can take them by their own words and lead them into the new 
>world of open and transparent policy making mechanisms.

It would be great to see something widely supported - what is proposed, a 
sign on document?  Is a draft going to be discussed here or somewhere?

Ian Peter

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Subject: AW: [governance] [NCSG-Discuss] Update: CSCG & IGF Planning Retreat

1+ to Bill.

Yes indeed, it helps to understand the process and its special history.

We should not forget that the "Multistakeholder Approach" is a (rather 
radical) innovation in global policy making and decision taking. The 
approach was desigend and pushed forward by a small goup of Internet people 
within the frameworks of IETF and ICANN in the 1990s and introduced into the 
UNICTTF and WSIS in the early 2000s. It is seen now as a success and the 
better (only?) way to handle the new complexities of the Internet Age.

But now, when Internet policies penetrates all spheres of the political 
discussions in areas like security, trade and human rights we see a "clash 
of cultures" where the innovative open, transparent and bottom up policy 
making procedures clash with the traditional top down approaches and deal 
makings behind closed doorsof the politcal Establishment. A lot of "old 
professionals" in the world of policy making trust what they know and 
mistrust new approaches. We see this in the US Congress, where senators in 
the IANA Transition are asking critical questions full of mistrust about the 
multistakeholder model and prefer the "traditional oversight" by a known 
politcal players as the US government. We see this in the G 7 where the 
leaders of the industrial world give lip service to the multistakeholder 
principle but produce documents, drafted by governmental sherpas behind 
closed doors without any call for public input and an opportunity for public 
comment. And we see this in the UN.

My understanding is that UNDESA has no bad intentions or does not plan a 
"conspiracy" against the IGF. They are just doing their "business as usual". 
And they have not yet understood that the 21st century is different from the 
20th century. They have not yet understood that the multistakeholder model 
is not based on the principle of national sovereignty of UN member states 
but on principles like openess, transparency, equal Access for all 
governmental and non-governmental stakeholderrs, bottom up policy 
development, rough consenus and running code.

Insofar we should use the opportunity to comment on the planned IGF retreat 
by explaining more in detail what we (NCUC, civil society) expect from a 
multistakeholder process. There are good references in the WSIS +10 
document, so we can take them by their own words and lead them into the new 
world of open and transparent policy making mechanisms.

Wolfgang

BTW, I have raised this issue already two years ago here:
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20140818_sailing_backwards_wsis_10_avoids_entering_unchartered_territory/




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An: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Betreff: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Update: CSCG & IGF Planning Retreat

Hi Shane

Thanks for your note and nice to meet you BTW.

In the early years of the IGF liftoff the initial MAG meetings were very 
tense as all the polarizing issues raised just prior in WSIS were still in 
the air and the various sides were strategizing heavily on how to control 
the narrative  and meeting agendas.  In particular, the tech and business 
communities and their supporters in OECD governments were very worried that 
the IGF would be overly focused on ICANN and its perceived shortcomings and 
demands for a new UN body with superpowers inter alia to 'oversee' ICANN, so 
much so that the WSIS-era code word for names number root system 
etc.---critical Internet resources---could not be addressed in the initial 
2006 Athens program. (by way of explanation you can look at the chapter 
'Critical Internet Resources: Coping with the Elephant in the Room' by 
NCUCer Jeanette Hofmann in the book I edited based on the Sharm meeting 
http://amzn.to/1Y2sKqc <http://amzn.to/1Y2sKqc>, and the chapter 'A critical 
look at critical Internet resources, since WGIG' by Paul Wilson and Pablo 
Hinojosa in the booked I edited for the WGIG's 10th anniversary 
http://amzn.to/22IcHi3 <http://amzn.to/22IcHi3>).  So in that period, calls, 
particularly from NCUC members and others in civil society, for full 
transparency, openness to observers, and remote participation in the MAG 
meetings were denied, and the best we could get was Chatham-based post hoc 
summaries of the MAG's closed mail list.

But people keep kept pressing for more, in keeping with the original WGIG 
vision and subsequent TA mandate, and as comfort levels increased people 
unclenched and we were progressively to get these things. Now the F2F meets 
are open to all whose atoms are in Geneva, the sessions have remote 
participation, there are no secret documents involved, and the IGF uses a 
publicly archived mail list (if memory serves a private one was retained for 
sensitive discussions of people, e.g. possibilities for the main sessions, 
but I don't recall that we really used it much when I was a member).  Sorry, 
I don't remember the precise dates on which each of these shifts happened 
but the info should be on the website.

So there has been institutionalized in the collective mind and in the 
concrete practice of the 'IGF community' (those who are actively engaged and 
care about building this multistakeholder process) a strong presumption that 
everything should be open and fairly bottom up.  However, the UN bureaucracy 
has never bought into this, at least with respect to its own operations.  So 
the stakeholders nominate candidates to the MAG bottom up but DESA decides 
among these in a black box fashion.  So reports for ECOSOC about the IGF's 
progress get commissioned and then buried by DESA without informing 
community reps on the MAG.  So consultations and decisions happen between 
the DESA and various powers that be behind closed doors with no reporting. 
So swank retreats with unclear mandates and authority get decided and 
announced by DESA without any consultation with the MAG, and when people 
like me and Avri and Renata jump up and down on various lists about the need 
for transparency and remote participation, we get back as a grudging answer 
that maybe some sessions of the retreat can be reported out on a Chatham 
basis.  This is inconsistent with the norms and processes the community has 
established, and is regressive.  Hence the discussion.

In other contexts Chatham can be quite useful and is a step toward opening 
closed processes.  Here it is a step toward closing open processes.

Hope that helps,

Bill



> On Jun 6, 2016, at 05:17, Shane Kerr <shane at time-travellers.org> wrote:
>
> William,
>
> It seemed to me that you were implying that the Chatham House style is
> obviously bad. It is not. There are benefits and drawbacks.
>
> I'd be interested to hear what the "various reasons" are that the IGF
> does not use it. You know, for transparency. ;) (Ideally you can just
> point me to the documentation about this...)
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Shane
>
> At 2016-06-03 13:31:44 +0200
> William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Thanks Shane.  I'm familiar with the rule.  We don't use it in the IGF, 
>> for various reasons, at least not since the early tense days of the MAG.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:13, Shane Kerr <shane at time-travellers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> William,
>>>
>>> At 2016-06-03 11:13:55 +0200
>>> William Drake <wjdrake at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 02:06, avri doria <avri at apc.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Chatham House style (content w/o attribution)
>>>>
>>>> In true bottom up transparent community driven IGF fashion..not.
>>>
>>> To be honest, that doesn't seem too horrible. The Chatham House rule is
>>> there for a reason:
>>>
>>>   Q. What are the benefits of using the Rule?
>>>
>>>   A. It allows people to speak as individuals, and to express views
>>>   that may not be those of their organizations, and therefore it
>>>   encourages free discussion. People usually feel more relaxed if
>>>   they don't have to worry about their reputation or the implications
>>>   if they are publicly quoted.
>>>
>>> https://www.chathamhouse.org/about/chatham-house-rule
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shane - speaking only for myself  ;)
>>
>>
>> *************************************************************
>> William J. Drake
>> International Fellow & Lecturer
>>  Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>>  University of Zurich, Switzerland
>> william.drake at uzh.ch (direct), wjdrake at gmail.com (lists),
>>  www.williamdrake.org
>> The Working Group on Internet Governance - 10th Anniversary Reflections
>> New book at http://amzn.to/22hWZxC
>> *************************************************************
>>


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From arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr  Wed Jun  8 03:35:32 2016
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Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 07:35:32 +0000 (UTC)
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Dear colleagues,
We would like to inform you that our workshop proposal was successfully submitted (ICT4D: Connecting Civil Society roles on access, finance and knowledge). We agree, it was very tense given the deadline and our agenda but  thank you everyone of you who showed interest by contributing in any form. 
Special thanks to the WG members who discussed initial suggestions and to colleagues who accepted to be speakers and play other roles on our panel. Expect to be contacted by the IGF Secretariat to ensure you were contacted and agreed for this task.
To everyone, thank you and hope we will have positive feedback from the IGF Secretariat. This chapter is closed for now, let's get back to those trending/pending discussions here. We will keep you posted on developments.
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Wed Jun  8 08:33:06 2016
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
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Subject: [governance] IGC workshop to IGF 2016 Succesfully Submitted
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Congratulations!
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> Dear colleagues,
>
> We would like to inform you that our workshop proposal was successfully
> submitted (*ICT4D: Connecting Civil Society roles on access, finance and
> knowledge*). We agree, it was very tense given the deadline and our
> agenda but  thank you everyone of you who showed interest by contributing
> in any form.
>
> Special thanks to the WG members who discussed initial suggestions and to
> colleagues who accepted to be speakers and play other roles on our panel.
> Expect to be contacted by the IGF Secretariat to ensure you were contacted
> and agreed for this task.
>
> To everyone, thank you and hope we will have positive feedback from the
> IGF Secretariat. This chapter is closed for now, let's get back to those
> trending/pending discussions here. We will keep you posted on
> developments.
>
> Best regards,
> Analia & Arsene
> IGC Co-coordinators
>
> *------------------------------------------------------*
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> IGC Co-Coordinator,
> Co-founder & Executive Director, Rudi International
> Facebook - Twitter - LinkedIn
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> Online Protection Evangelist.
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## About SIMPDA
With the increasing automation of business processes, growing amounts of
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The Symposium will feature a number of keynotes illustrating advanced
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## Call for Papers
The IFIP International Symposium on Data-Driven Process Discovery and
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The symposium will bring together leading researchers, engineers and
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papers will be selected for publication after a second round of review.

### Topics
Topics of interest for submission include, but are not limited to:

* Business Process Modeling languages, notations and methods
* Lightweight Process Model
* Data-aware and data-centric approaches
* Process Mining with Big Data
* Variability and configuration of process models
* Process simulation and static analyses
* Process data query languages
* Process data mining
* Privacy-aware process data mining
* Process metadata and semantic reasoning
* Process patterns and standards
* Foundations of business process models
* Resource management in business process execution
* Process tracing and monitoring
* Process change management and evolution
* Business process lifecycle
* Case studies and experience reports
* Social process discovery
* Crowdsourced process definition and discovery

### Workshop Format:
In accordance to our historical tradition of proposing SIMPDA as a
symposium, we propose an innovative format for this workshop:
The number of sessions depend on the number of submissions but, considering
the previous editions, we envisage to have four sessions, with 4-5 related
papers assigned to each session. A special session (with a specific review
process) will be dedicated to discuss research plan from PhD students.
Papers are pre-circulated to the authors that will be expected to read all
papers in advance but to avoid exceptional overhead, two are assigned to be
prepared with particular care,  making ready comments and suggestions. 
The bulk of the time during each session will be dedicated to open
conversations about all of the papers in a given session, along with any
linkages to the papers and discussions within an earlier session. 
The closing session (30 minutes), will include a panel about open challenges
during which every participant will be asked to assemble their
thoughts/project ideas/goals/etc
 that they got out of the workshop.

### Call for PhD Research Plans
The SIMPDA PhD Seminar is a workshop for Ph.D. students from all over the
world. The goal of the Seminar is to help students with their thesis and
research plans by providing feedback and general advice on how to use their
research results.
Students interested in participating in the Seminar should submit an
extended abstract describing their research. Submissions can relate to any
aspect of Process Data: technical advances, usage and impact studies, policy
analyses, social and institutional implications, theoretical contributions,
interaction and design advances, innovative applications, and social
implications.

Research plans should be at most of 5 page long and should be organised
following the following structure: 

* Abstract: summarises, in 5 line, the research aims and significance.
* Research Question: defines what will be accomplished by eliciting the
relevant the research questions.
* Background: defines the background knowledge providing the 5 most relevant
references (papers or books).
* Significance: explains the relevance of the general topic and of the
specific contribution.
* Research design and methods: describes and motivates the method adopted
focusing on: assumptions, solutions, data sources, validation of results,
limitations of the approach.
* Research stage: describes what the student has done so far.

### SIMPDA PhD award
A doctoral award will be given by the SIMPDA PhD Jury to the best research
plan submitted.
Student Scholarships
An application for a limited number of scholarships aimed at students coming
from emerging countries has been submitted to IFIP.
In order to apply, please contact paolo.ceravolo at unimi.it 

### CALL for Demonstrations and Posters
Demonstrations showcase innovative technology and applications, allowing for
sharing research work directly with colleagues in a high-visibility setting.
Demonstration proposals should consist of a title, an extended abstract, and
contact information for the authors, and should not exceed 10 pages.
Posters allow the presentation of late-breaking results in an informal,
interactive manner. Poster proposals should consist of a title, an extended
abstract, contact information for the authors, and should not exceed 2
pages.
Accepted demonstrations and posters will be presented at the symposium.
Abstracts will appear in the proceedings.

### Important Dates

- Submission of Full Papers: 			October 4th 2016
- Submission of PhD Research Plans: 		October 4th 2016
- Notification of Acceptance: 			November 7th 2016
- Submission of Camera Ready Papers: 	November 21th 2016
- Post-proceeding submissions:		March 30th 2017

## Keynote Speakers

### DATA-DRIVEN PROCESS DISCOVERY: WHAT HAS THE WEB TO OFFER?

*MARKUS LANTHALER*
*SOFTWARE ENGINEER AT GOOGLE*
*CREATOR OF JSON-LD AND HYDRA*

Even though the vision of paperless offices is still largely an utopia, a
large number of processes have already been digitalised in recent years.
While this shift was traditionally driven by the usage of, e.g., enterprise
resource planning (ERP) or customer relationship management (CRM) systems,
it increasingly moves into more lightweight and less formal contexts.
Increasing smartphone adoption, fast and affordable internet access across
the globe and investments in the Internet of Things, to only name a few
development we currently see, will only accelerate this development.
Thus, challenges like the effective discovery of ad-hoc processes, their
subsequent execution, and the analysis of the resulting artefacts across
systems will need to be addressed. This keynote gives a different
perspective on the aforementioned issues by drawing parallels to promising
approaches that try to tackle similar problems at web-scale.

## Organizers
### CHAIRS 

- Paolo Ceravolo, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy
- Christian Guetl, Graz University of Technology, Austria
- Stefanie Rinderle-Ma, University of Vienna, Austria
 
### ADVISORY BOARD 
- Ernesto Damiani, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy
- Erich Neuhold, University of Vienna, Austria
- Maurice van Keulen, University of Twente, The Netherlands
- Philippe Cudré-Mauroux , University of Fribourg, Switzerland
- Robert Meersman, Graz University of Technology, Austria
- Wilfried Grossmann, University of Vienna, Austria

### Program Committee
- AKHIL KUMAR PENN STATE UNIVERSITY, USA
- ANDREA BURATTIN UNIVERSITY OF INNSBRUCK, AUSTRIA
- BABIGA BIRREGAH UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY OF TROYES, FRANCE
- BENOIT DEPAIRE UNIVERSITY OF HASSELT, BELGIUM
- CHINTAN MRIT UNIVERSITY OF TWENTE, THE NETHERLANDS
- CHRISTOPHE DEBRUYNE TRINITY COLLEGE DUBLIN, IRELAND
- DETLEF NAUCK BRITISH TELECOM RESEARCH, UK
- EBRAHIM BAGHERI RYERSON UNIVERSITY, CANADA
- EDGAR WEIPPL TU VIENNA, AUSTRIA
- HARIS MOURATIDIS UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON
- HELEN BALINSKY HEWLETT-PACKARD LABORATORIES, UK
- JAN MENDLING VIENNA UNIVERSITY OF ECONOMICS AND BUSINESS, AUSTRIA
- JANEZ HRASTNIK AMIS TELECOMMUNICATIONS, SLOVENIA
- JOSEP CARMONA UPC - BARCELONA, SPAIN
- MARCELLO LEIDA TAIGER, SPAIN
- MASSIMILIANO DE LEONI EINDHOVEN TU, NETHERLANDS
- MATTHIAS WEIDLICH IMPERIAL COLLEGE, UK
- MAURICE VAN KEULEN UNIVERSITY OF TWENTE, THE NETHERLANDS
- MEIKO JENSEN RUHR-UNI_VER_SI_TY BO_CHUM, GERMANY
- MOHAMED MOSBAH UNIVERSITY OF BORDEAUX
- PNINA SOFFER UNIVERSITY OF HAIFA, ISRAEL
- ROBERT SINGER FH JOANNEUM, AUSTRIA
- ROLAND RIEKE FRAUNHOFER SIT, GERMANY
- THOMAS VOGELGESANG UNIVERSITY OF OLDENBURG, GERMANY
- WIL VAN DER AALST TECHNISCHE UNIVERSITEIT EINDHOVEN, THE NETHERLANDS
- MARK STREMBECK WU VIENNA, AUSTRIA
- MARIA LEITNER AUSTRIAN INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, AUSTRIA
- THERESIA GSCHWANDTNER VIENNA UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY, AUSTRIA

## Historical Information on Previous Editions

SIMPDA was proposed in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 by IFIP WG 2.6 and
2.12/12.4 as the International Symposium on Data-Driven Process Discovery
and Analysis. 
The symposium had around 30 attendees in 2011 and 20 in 2012. It featured a
number of keynotes illustrating new approaches, shorter presentations on
recent research, and a competitive PhD seminar, together with selected
research and industrial demonstrations. The authors of the accepted papers
have been invited to submit extended articles to a post-symposium
proceedings volume published in the Springer LNBIP series.
Several events and activities arose off these symposia, among the most
notables we have two Dagstuhl seminars: 

* Dagstuhl Seminar on Semantic Challenges in Sensor Networks, January 24-29,
2010.
* Dagstuhl Seminar on Unleashing Operational Process Mining, November 24-29,
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From udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng  Wed Jun  8 09:17:05 2016
From: udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng (Chris Prince Udochukwu Njoku)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 14:17:05 +0100
Subject: [governance] IGC workshop to IGF 2016 Succesfully Submitted
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Good job! Let's keep moving.

CPU

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On Jun 8, 2016 2:12 PM, "Deirdre Williams" <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Congratulations!
> Deirdre
>
> On 8 June 2016 at 03:35, Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo) <arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> We would like to inform you that our workshop proposal was successfully
>> submitted (*ICT4D: Connecting Civil Society roles on access, finance and
>> knowledge*). We agree, it was very tense given the deadline and our
>> agenda but  thank you everyone of you who showed interest by contributing
>> in any form.
>>
>> Special thanks to the WG members who discussed initial suggestions and to
>> colleagues who accepted to be speakers and play other roles on our panel.
>> Expect to be contacted by the IGF Secretariat to ensure you were contacted
>> and agreed for this task.
>>
>> To everyone, thank you and hope we will have positive feedback from the
>> IGF Secretariat. This chapter is closed for now, let's get back to those
>> trending/pending discussions here. We will keep you posted on
>> developments.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Analia & Arsene
>> IGC Co-coordinators
>>
>> *------------------------------------------------------*
>> *Arsène Tungali,*
>> IGC Co-Coordinator,
>> Co-founder & Executive Director, Rudi International
>> Facebook - Twitter - LinkedIn
>> Internet Governance - Blogger - ISOC Ambassador - ICANN Fellow - Child
>> Online Protection Evangelist.
>> Democratic Republic of Congo
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From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Fri Jun 10 13:57:03 2016
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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:57:03 +0200
Subject: [governance] EURODIG
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From analia.aspis at gmail.com  Sat Jun 11 16:35:47 2016
From: analia.aspis at gmail.com (Analia Aspis)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 17:35:47 -0300
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [GIGANET-MEMBERS] extended deadline for annual
 symposium
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FYI,
Regards,
Analia

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Date: Friday, June 10, 2016
Subject: [GIGANET-MEMBERS] extended deadline for annual symposium
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Hi all,

The deadline for the submission of proposals for the 2016 GigaNet Annual
Symposium was extended until Friday 24 June 2016.

Please send out this information to all your mailing lists together with
the CFP:

http://giga-net.org/page/2016-annual-symposium

Thanks!

Best, Daniel
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From raquino at gmail.com  Sun Jun 12 14:45:40 2016
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 15:45:40 -0300
Subject: [governance] Reminder: IGF 2016 Open Forum Requests - for gov`t
 organizations and others
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IGF 2016 Open Forum Requests

The IGF Secretariat is accepting requests to hold Open Forums during
the 11th Annual IGF Meeting, set to take place in Guadalajara, Mexico,
on 6-9 December 2016. Deadline for submissions is 20 June, midnight
UTC.

All Governments and relevant organizations dealing with Internet
governance-related issues are invited to submit a request for an Open
Forum slot, bearing in mind a background paper is strongly encouraged
for inclusion in the request. Open Forum sessions should focus on the
organization’s activities during the past year and allow sufficient
time for questions and discussions.

Governments and treaty-based international organizations will be given
slots on a priority basis.

Please make your request through the online form HERE.
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf2016-open-forums

(apologies for cross-posting)

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From arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr  Mon Jun 13 08:48:47 2016
From: arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr (Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo))
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:48:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [governance] A Joint CS meeting at IGF 2016
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 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } Dear all,
Just a quick note to let you know that we are (Analia and I) taking part into a conversation which will lead to the convening of a joint civil society gathering during/around the upcoming IGF in Mexico.
The idea has been suggested by Jeremy Malcom, then brought to the CSCG (where i currently represent the IGC) and we came to an agreement that it is a good idea. The initiative is encouraged and supported by the CSCG.
The aim will be to connect, network, exchange, etc CS delegates attending the IGF. More about well elaborated objectives, outcomes etc will be shared at the appropriate time.
There is an ''interim steering committee'' in formation (formed mainly by representatives of CS groups within the CSCG) which will discuss, brainstorm and give a clear meaning to this meeting.
More to come later (i am about to board a flight).
Hope everyone is doing well.
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From raquino at gmail.com  Tue Jun 14 07:53:33 2016
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 11:53:33 +0000
Subject: [governance] Governance Primer - RS, Brazil
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Hi

Folks in Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil, can attend this free event today,

Governance Primer
Unisinos University
Organization: ICANN Engagement Brazil and Unisinos
14 Jun 17h30 - 20h30
Porto Alegre Campus
Av. Luiz Manoel Gonzaga 744
Bairro Três Figueiras
http://www.unisinos.br/noticias/eventos/governance-primer-unisinos

The event will talk about preparations for IGF Brazil 11-13 July in PoA
And IGF 6-9 Dec in Guadalajara

Speakers include
Lucas Moura - NextGen ICANN/Axur
Alexandre Arns Gonzales - NextGen ICANN/UFRGS
Mark Datysgeld - Fellow/PUCSP
Flavio Wagner - MAG IGF/CGI.br
Renata Aquino Ribeiro - MAG IGF/UFCE

Streaming has not been confirmed. If a recording is posted, we will share.

Apologies for the short notice and any cross-postings.

Thanks

Renata
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From raquino at gmail.com  Wed Jun 15 07:54:14 2016
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:54:14 -0300
Subject: [governance] Fwd: [bestbits] A CS committee to plan Pre-IGF meeting
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From: Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:22 AM
Subject: [bestbits] A CS committee to plan Pre-IGF meeting
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​Dear Best Bits members,

Greetings,

An initiative from Jeremy Malcolm - Best Bits was presented to the CSCG, to
organize a joint CS Pre-IGF 2016 meeting including civil society groups for
Mexico IGF Forum.  This initiative was endorsement by the CSCG members and
it was recommended to form an interim steering committee consisting of
representatives from each group.

The group representatives are

Arsène Tungali & Analia Aspis  - IGC

Deborah Brown – APC

Farzaneh Badii  -  NCSG

Jeremy Malcolm – Best Bits

Norbert Bollow – JNC

Hoping this event will promote civil society solidarity in spite of any
conceptual differences.

Updates on the milestones of this pre-event will be conveyed to the groups
through the representatives above.

Best wishes,

Nadira Alaraj

Best Bits liaise to the CSCG

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From Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org  Thu Jun 16 11:11:22 2016
From: Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org (Stuart Hamilton)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 15:11:22 +0000
Subject: [governance] Fwd: Civil Society Nominations for IGF Planning
 Retreat, 14-16 July
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Dear Colleagues

A quick note and many apologies for not coming back to the lists before - I wanted to wait until the IGF Secretariat contacted me directly. I have just received conformation that I have been selected so I look forward to getting involved and bringing the CS perspective. I’ll try to keep you informed as things proceed and will be pleased to work with everyone in the run up to the retreat.

Thanks again for selecting me to participate on behalf of CS!

Cheers,

Stuart

Deputy Secretary General
International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions (IFLA)


On 6 June 2016 at 17:34:33, Robin Gross (robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>) wrote:

Please see the below correspondence from the Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) Chair Ian Peter to UN DESA regarding the civil society nominations for attending the IGF retreat in New York next month.

Best,
Robin

 From: Ian Peter<mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 6:46 PM
To: cmasango at unog.ch<mailto:cmasango at unog.ch>
Subject: Civil Society Nominations for IGF PLanning Retreat, 14-16 July

Dear Chengetai,
We are pleased to forward the names of civil society representatives  nominated for the IGF Retreat on Advancing the 10-Year Mandate of the Internet Governance Forum on 14-16 July 2016.

Our understanding is that you want from us 2 designated participants, plus 3-4 additional nominees. This is in addition to the MAG member’s nomination of Lea Kaspar, which you will already be aware of.

Our two designated attendees are:
1. Stuart Hamilton – Netherlands -Deputy Secretary General, International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions (IFLA)
2  Anriette Esterhuysen – South Africa – Executive Director, Association for Progressive Communications (APC)

Our additional nominations are:
3. Jac S M Kee – Malaysia – Manager Women’s Rights Program, APC
4. Cisse Kane -Senegal - Chair, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS)
5. Analia Apsis – Argentina – Co-coordinator, Internet Governance Caucus
6. Renata Ribeiro – Brazil - IT Professor, Federal University of Ceará, Brazil.

I believe you will have biographical details of all of these nominations, as we believe they all also applied by your online system; but please contact us if you need further information on any of these applicants.
These names have been selected after following as best possible in the time available our established procedures, which are outlined at http://www.internetgov-cs.org/procedures. They were chosen from 10 people who made direct contact with us seeking endorsement as civil society representatives. (Their names are included in Appendix A).
We commend these excellent representatives of civil society to you.
Additionally, and in the spirit of co-operation to ensure the best possible representivity for civil society stakeholders as such events, I wonder if you could take on board the following suggestions on conducting future such exercises, and circulate these to relevant colleagues?
The recommendations are based on the best practice we have observed with other organisations in selecting multistakeholder representatives. We are aware that on this occasion there have been some problems with the way this event was announced, but we will keep our comments to some positive suggestions on procedures for selecting applicants.

1.       The process you ran necessitated all civil society applicants applying via your advertised procedures, and then separately to us. Most organisations these days run a transparent process whereby applications details are shared with stakeholder groups. This is not a privacy problem if people are advised beforehand. We commend this method to you as one which is easier for applicants, and also allows for better sharing of information towards selecting the best possible candidates.
2.       An unusual feature of the way this selection was managed is that we needed to tell you our selections at the same time as you were still receiving applications (our deadline was the same as the applicant’s deadline). This was further complicated by the MAG members selecting their representative at the same time. May we suggest that, in allocating timeframes for such processes, you allow a period of time after individual nominations have closed to receive stakeholder group nominations? This makes for a less messy process all round.

3.       We understand that, in finalising stakeholder representatives, you wish to ensure that you achieve the best possible gender and geographic balance across stakeholder groups. Your process for doing this on this and other occasions has been to make final selections yourselves without further consultation with stakeholder groups. This can sometimes be problematic, as you cannot possibly be aware of the ramifications of some such choices within stakeholder groups.
       The way other organisations have handled this is to arrange a simultaneous phone hookup with representatives of stakeholder groups to discuss such final balance issues. You will find that we actually work quite well together in such circumstances, and we believe that the results will be more acceptable to stakeholder groups if this quick final consultation is included. This is also more aligned with the recommendation of the Working Group on Improvements to the IGF, later endorsed by the UN General Assembly, seeking self-management of stakeholder representative processes by respective stakeholder groups. Your current practices need to move further in this direction.
We offer the above suggestions in the spirit of co-operation with you, as we also want to see the best possible representation of stakeholders. And again, we offer our services to work with you and other stakeholder groups to refine procedures to ensure more acceptable and more representative results.

Sincerely,

Ian Peter – Independent Chair, Internet Governance Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG)
(The Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) exists solely to ensure a coordinated civil society response and conduit when it comes to making civil society appointments to outside bodies. It comprises representatives of the coalition members of the Best Bits, Association for Progressive Communications, Internet Governance Caucus, Just Net Coalition, and Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN. Together the reach of these groups extends to many hundreds of non-governmental organisations, as well as a much greater number of individuals. )



APPENDIX ONE –

APPLICANTS ASSESSED
Analia Apsis  *
Tijani Ben Jemaa
Deborah Brown
Anriette Esterhuysen **
Stuart Hamilton **
Cisse Kane *
 Jac SM Kee *
Remmy Nweke
Renata Ribeiro *
 Klaus Stoll


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From nnenna75 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 16 11:31:50 2016
From: nnenna75 at gmail.com (Nnenna Nwakanma)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 15:31:50 +0000
Subject: [governance] I have been invited to the IGF Retreat
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selection for the Retreat.

I  am yet to respond.

Happy to hear our ideas on this

Best

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From divina.meigs at orange.fr  Thu Jun 16 11:34:28 2016
From: divina.meigs at orange.fr (Divina MEIGS)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:34:28 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [governance] Fwd: Civil Society Nominations for IGF Planning
 Retreat, 14-16 July
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Congratulations again, Stuart! 

Divina 

 

 

 

 

> Message du 16/06/16 17:12
> De : "Stuart Hamilton" 
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> Objet : Re: [governance] Fwd: Civil Society Nominations for IGF Planning Retreat, 14-16 July
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>
Dear Colleagues

>
A quick note and many apologies for not coming back to the lists before - I wanted to wait until the IGF Secretariat contacted me directly. I have just received conformation that I have been selected so I look forward to getting involved and bringing the CS perspective. I’ll try to keep you informed as things proceed and will be pleased to work with everyone in the run up to the retreat.

>
Thanks again for selecting me to participate on behalf of CS!

>
Cheers,

>
Stuart 

>
Deputy Secretary General
International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions (IFLA)
>
 

>
On 6 June 2016 at 17:34:33, Robin Gross (robin at ipjustice.org) wrote:



 
Please see the below correspondence from the Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) Chair Ian Peter to UN DESA regarding the civil society nominations for attending the IGF retreat in New York next month.
 
Best,
Robin









 From: Ian Peter

Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 6:46 PM
To: cmasango at unog.ch
Subject: Civil Society Nominations for IGF PLanning Retreat, 14-16 July


 




Dear Chengetai,

We are pleased to forward the names of civil society representatives  nominated for the IGF Retreat on Advancing the 10-Year Mandate of the Internet Governance Forum on 14-16 July 2016.
 
Our understanding is that you want from us 2 designated participants, plus 3-4 additional nominees. This is in addition to the MAG member’s nomination of Lea Kaspar, which you will already be aware of.

 
Our two designated attendees are:

1. Stuart Hamilton – Netherlands -Deputy Secretary General, International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions (IFLA)

2  Anriette Esterhuysen – South Africa – Executive Director, Association for Progressive Communications (APC)

 
Our additional nominations are:

3. Jac S M Kee – Malaysia – Manager Women’s Rights Program, APC

4. Cisse Kane -Senegal - Chair, African Civil Society on the Information Society (ACSIS)

5. Analia Apsis – Argentina – Co-coordinator, Internet Governance Caucus

6. Renata Ribeiro – Brazil - IT Professor, Federal University of Ceará, Brazil.

 
I believe you will have biographical details of all of these nominations, as we believe they all also applied by your online system; but please contact us if you need further information on any of these applicants.

These names have been selected after following as best possible in the time available our established procedures, which are outlined at http://www.internetgov-cs.org/procedures. They were chosen from 10 people who made direct contact with us seeking endorsement as civil society representatives. (Their names are included in Appendix A).

We commend these excellent representatives of civil society to you.

Additionally, and in the spirit of co-operation to ensure the best possible representivity for civil society stakeholders as such events, I wonder if you could take on board the following suggestions on conducting future such exercises, and circulate these to relevant colleagues?

The recommendations are based on the best practice we have observed with other organisations in selecting multistakeholder representatives. We are aware that on this occasion there have been some problems with the way this event was announced, but we will keep our comments to some positive suggestions on procedures for selecting applicants.

 
1.       The process you ran necessitated all civil society applicants applying via your advertised procedures, and then separately to us. Most organisations these days run a transparent process whereby applications details are shared with stakeholder groups. This is not a privacy problem if people are advised beforehand. We commend this method to you as one which is easier for applicants, and also allows for better sharing of information towards selecting the best possible candidates.
2.       An unusual feature of the way this selection was managed is that we needed to tell you our selections at the same time as you were still receiving applications (our deadline was the same as the applicant’s deadline). This was further complicated by the MAG members selecting their representative at the same time. May we suggest that, in allocating timeframes for such processes, you allow a period of time after individual nominations have closed to receive stakeholder group nominations? This makes for a less messy process all round.
3.       We understand that, in finalising stakeholder representatives, you wish to ensure that you achieve the best possible gender and geographic balance across stakeholder groups. Your process for doing this on this and other occasions has been to make final selections yourselves without further consultation with stakeholder groups. This can sometimes be problematic, as you cannot possibly be aware of the ramifications of some such choices within stakeholder groups.

       The way other organisations have handled this is to arrange a simultaneous phone hookup with representatives of stakeholder groups to discuss such final balance issues. You will find that we actually work quite well together in such circumstances, and we believe that the results will be more acceptable to stakeholder groups if this quick final consultation is included. This is also more aligned with the recommendation of the Working Group on Improvements to the IGF, later endorsed by the UN General Assembly, seeking self-management of stakeholder representative processes by respective stakeholder groups. Your current practices need to move further in this direction.

We offer the above suggestions in the spirit of co-operation with you, as we also want to see the best possible representation of stakeholders. And again, we offer our services to work with you and other stakeholder groups to refine procedures to ensure more acceptable and more representative results.

 
Sincerely,

 
Ian Peter – Independent Chair, Internet Governance Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG)

(The Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) exists solely to ensure a coordinated civil society response and conduit when it comes to making civil society appointments to outside bodies. It comprises representatives of the coalition members of the Best Bits, Association for Progressive Communications, Internet Governance Caucus, Just Net Coalition, and Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN. Together the reach of these groups extends to many hundreds of non-governmental organisations, as well as a much greater number of individuals. )


 
 
APPENDIX ONE –

 
APPLICANTS ASSESSED

Analia Apsis  * 
Tijani Ben Jemaa
Deborah Brown
Anriette Esterhuysen **
Stuart Hamilton **
Cisse Kane *
 Jac SM Kee *
Remmy Nweke
Renata Ribeiro *
 Klaus Stoll 
















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From lmcknigh at syr.edu  Thu Jun 16 11:37:55 2016
From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 15:37:55 +0000
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] I have been invited to the IGF Retreat
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Nnenna,


Congrats!


My 2 cents: If you can make it, please attend.


If cs folks in next couple weeks can help you cook some key - messages - or questions to bring into the retreat to inform the discussions, all the better.



Lee McKnight

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From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:31 AM
To: Governance; <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>; Ian Peter
Subject: [bestbits] I have been invited to the IGF Retreat

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I have received correspondence from IGF Secretariat informing of my selection for the Retreat.

I  am yet to respond.

Happy to hear our ideas on this

Best

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From wisdom.dk at gmail.com  Thu Jun 16 11:41:35 2016
From: wisdom.dk at gmail.com (Wisdom Donkor)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 15:41:35 +0000
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] I have been invited to the IGF Retreat
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Congratulations Nnenna. Hope to seeing you in New York.

African for that matter gender issues can be properly laid on the UN table.

Cheers,



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On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Ian, all
>
> I have received correspondence from IGF Secretariat informing of my
> selection for the Retreat.
>
> I  am yet to respond.
>
> Happy to hear our ideas on this
>
> Best
>
> Nnenna
>
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From remmyn at gmail.com  Thu Jun 16 11:45:38 2016
From: remmyn at gmail.com (Remmy Nweke)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:45:38 +0100
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] I have been invited to the IGF Retreat
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thanks Nne and congrats on the invite.

You may wish to revisit our latter of protest on the modus operandi and see
how a line could form your thoughts as to informing CS or involvement.

One other thing is that we should not leave only supposed national IGF to
carry the cross of evangelising issues of IGF-mandate, especially since
some of them are becoming ventures.

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On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Lee W McKnight <lmcknigh at syr.edu> wrote:

> Nnenna,
>
>
> Congrats!
>
>
> My 2 cents: If you can make it, please attend.
>
>
> If cs folks in next couple weeks can help you cook some key - messages -
> or questions to bring into the retreat to inform the discussions, all the
> better.
>
>
>
> Lee McKnight
> ------------------------------
> *From:* bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net <
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> nnenna75 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:31 AM
> *To:* Governance; <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>; Ian Peter
> *Subject:* [bestbits] I have been invited to the IGF Retreat
>
> Dear Ian, all
>
> I have received correspondence from IGF Secretariat informing of my
> selection for the Retreat.
>
> I  am yet to respond.
>
> Happy to hear our ideas on this
>
> Best
>
> Nnenna
>
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From analia.aspis at gmail.com  Thu Jun 16 13:19:04 2016
From: analia.aspis at gmail.com (Analia Aspis)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 14:19:04 -0300
Subject: [governance] I have been invited to the IGF Retreat
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Congrats Nnena!

If you could give feedback back to our community would be awesome and very
welcome :)

Regards,
Analía

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>
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From arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr  Thu Jun 16 14:10:43 2016
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 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; }  +1 to Analia!
Congrats Nnenna
---------------------Arsene Tungali,IGC Co-coordinator at arsenebaguma+243 993810967 (DRCongo)Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone (excuse typos and brievity)


On Thursday, June 16, 2016, 9:04 PM, Analia Aspis <analia.aspis at gmail.com> wrote:

Congrats Nnena!

If you could give feedback back to our community would be awesome and very welcome :)

Regards,
Analía

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Ian, all

I have received correspondence from IGF Secretariat informing of my selection for the Retreat.

I  am yet to respond.

Happy to hear our ideas on this

Best

Nnenna

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From ias_pk at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 16 14:20:57 2016
From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:20:57 -0700
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] I have been invited to the IGF Retreat
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Congratulation Nnenna and Stuart.

Regards 

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From joly at punkcast.com  Fri Jun 17 20:52:36 2016
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:52:36 -0400
Subject: [governance] WEBCAST TODAY: Pre ICANN 56 Policy Update
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk3XDHg96MAtWfDF1nFiG1ZxoLhkCJ_trSd9pxRL5z-9pg@mail.gmail.com>

​​This is underway. While the Adobe Connect recordings of these briefings are
available
<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/presentations-2012-08-27-en>, this
is intended to be a tablet/tv friendly way to review the issues at your
convenience. Note that ICANN 56 will be a different animal to a usual ICANN
meeting, in that it is a 'policy forum' - the second in the new
three-meeting annual cycle.  • Duration is 4 days not 6 • Format focused on
SO/AC/SG/C policy work and outreach • NO welcome ceremony • NO
high-interest topics • NO public forum • NO public board meeting • NO
sponsor exhibition area .


joly posted: "On June 16 2016 ICANN held two Pre-ICANN 56 Policy Update
Webinars to brief participants in preparation for the upcoming ICANN Policy
Forum in Helsinki. The purpose of the webinar is to summarize policy
activities across the ICANN policy development commu"

[image: Livestream] <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/icann56update>On
*June 16 2016* ICANN held two *Pre-ICANN 56 Policy Update Webinars
<https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-06-02-en>* to brief
participants in preparation for the upcoming *ICANN Policy Forum in
Helsinki <https://meetings.icann.org/en/helsinki56>*. The purpose of the
webinar is to summarize policy activities across the ICANN policy
development community and the Cross-Community sessions taking place in
Helsinki. This *webcast
<https://livestream.com/internetsociety/icann56update>* is the recording of
the second of those sessions:

*View on Livestream*: https://livestream.com/internetsociety/icann56update
*Agenda*: https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-06-02-en
*Slides*:
https://icann.box.com/shared/static/fqis55ihxwe2eo0dycdw8ad301kdi7qw.pdf
*Transcript*:
http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-pre-icann-56-policy-webinar-1900-16jun16-en.pdf
*Audio*: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-policy-update-1900-16jun16-en.mp3
*Adobe Connect Recording*: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p26e9xacarr/


Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/8560#respond>    See all comments
<http://isoc-ny.org/p2/8560#comments>






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From willi.uebelherr at riseup.net  Sat Jun 18 14:47:43 2016
From: willi.uebelherr at riseup.net (willi uebelherr)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 15:47:43 -0300
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?Guccifer_2=2E0_DNC=E2=80=99s_servers_hacke?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?d_by_a_lone_hacker?=
Message-ID: <34cd6078-bc16-6bd5-e7fb-4be5279e7343@riseup.net>


Dear friends,

also in the ISOC we discuss about security in the "Internet". But also 
we know, with the leaks in any forms from any persons and group we only 
get the inside view to the truth. And, how we want solve this contradiction?

Guccifer 2.0 DNC’s servers hacked by a lone hacker
https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/06/15/dnc/

many greetings, willi
Manaus, Brasil


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From suresh at hserus.net  Sat Jun 18 15:08:05 2016
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 00:38:05 +0530
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?Guccifer_2=2E0_DNC=E2=80=99s_servers_h?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?acked_by_a_lone_hacker?=
In-Reply-To: <34cd6078-bc16-6bd5-e7fb-4be5279e7343@riseup.net>
References: <34cd6078-bc16-6bd5-e7fb-4be5279e7343@riseup.net>
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On 19-Jun-2016, at 12:17 AM, willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net> wrote:
> 
> also in the ISOC we discuss about security in the "Internet". But also we know, with the leaks in any forms from any persons and group we only get the inside view to the truth. And, how we want solve this contradiction?
> 
> Guccifer 2.0 DNC’s servers hacked by a lone hacker
> https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/06/15/dnc/

It does help to read other stories about this.  A lot of this doesn’t quite add up.

There are some interesting breadcrumbs but attribution is a very chancy thing.

http://www.vocativ.com/330201/guccifer-2-0-hacker/
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From willi.uebelherr at riseup.net  Sat Jun 18 15:32:15 2016
From: willi.uebelherr at riseup.net (willi uebelherr)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 16:32:15 -0300
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?Guccifer_2=2E0_DNC=E2=80=99s_servers_h?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?acked_by_a_lone_hacker?=
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Dear Suresh,

many thanks for your very fast answer.

In this text from vocativ at the end i found:
"He (Jeffrey Carr, CEO of cybersecurity firm Taia Global) did, however, 
caution against CrowdStrike’s original analysis, stressing the enormous 
difficulty of definitively attributing any sophisticated cyberattack. 
“I’m skeptical almost all the time when it comes to attribution,” he 
said. “I think the entire historical assignment of 
[government-affiliated] actors…was just wrong. That they were never part 
of an intelligence service or military service in the Russian 
government, that they were always independent hackers, and we don’t 
really know who they are.”"

This is also my view and experience. The highest power in the using of 
technology we find outside of the state institutions.

Buy what you think. You are thankful for this and any other leaks?

many greetings, willi
Manaus, Brasil


Am 18/06/2016 um 16:08 schrieb Suresh Ramasubramanian:
> On 19-Jun-2016, at 12:17 AM, willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>> also in the ISOC we discuss about security in the "Internet". But also we know, with the leaks in any forms from any persons and group we only get the inside view to the truth. And, how we want solve this contradiction?
>>
>> Guccifer 2.0 DNC’s servers hacked by a lone hacker
>> https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/06/15/dnc/
>
> It does help to read other stories about this.  A lot of this doesn’t quite add up.
>
> There are some interesting breadcrumbs but attribution is a very chancy thing.
>
> http://www.vocativ.com/330201/guccifer-2-0-hacker/
>

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From suresh at hserus.net  Sat Jun 18 15:39:09 2016
From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 01:09:09 +0530
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?Guccifer_2=2E0_DNC=E2=80=99s_servers_h?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?acked_by_a_lone_hacker?=
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References: <34cd6078-bc16-6bd5-e7fb-4be5279e7343@riseup.net> <C287DD53-B3E8-4113-AC2B-7573F30E2279@hserus.net> <c99a8e76-db21-2703-700c-b34095b788eb@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <2393AEA3-6A42-46D9-8E95-2C30444CF0E8@hserus.net>

On 19-Jun-2016, at 1:02 AM, willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net> wrote:
> 
> In this text from vocativ at the end i found:
> "He (Jeffrey Carr, CEO of cybersecurity firm Taia Global) did, however, caution against CrowdStrike’s original analysis, stressing the enormous difficulty of definitively attributing any sophisticated cyberattack. “I’m skeptical almost all the time when it comes to attribution,” he said. “I think the entire historical assignment of [government-affiliated] actors…was just wrong. That they were never part of an intelligence service or military service in the Russian government, that they were always independent hackers, and we don’t really know who they are.”"

This is where terms like “non state actors” and “plausible deniability” come in to further muddy the picture.

The jury is still out on this and it will take quite a bit of time and research to unearth more facts.  Which, given the sensitivity of this issue, may not ever be made public, who knows.

—srs
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Tue Jun 21 12:42:22 2016
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 12:42:22 -0400
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat
 Participants
In-Reply-To: <86FD3079-1615-4EB5-BBE1-65391F77CF76@cyberinvasion.net>
References: <733C506E-6192-49B6-A46E-BEFA3BC7BEF9@unog.ch> <CAJTVAjxG3sNwBJRE_ap=O9-Yyt3zXCZeme4PVaN=uj5J2=stEw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMz5XN6Mzdp85HZPfP3QWh6wqp=UpX=uCaxL+TixMwEe1GGM+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Particularly in the cause of transparency and inclusion this discussion
should be happening as widely as possibly among civil society. With
apologies I have therefore copied to IGC and JNC. Perhaps others can spread
the word further to as much of "global civil society" as possible, since
all of us speaking together would have a VERY loud voice that would demand
attention.
Best wishes
Deirdre

On 21 June 2016 at 12:27, James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net> wrote:

> Just my 2c but I don’t think it should really be a negotiation, I know I
> may be naïve in certain aspects of the IGF working methods but open and
> transparent was always told to me to be a core concept. I don’t think we
> should be compromising those ideals at this critical juncture. Without that
> what do we really have to move forward with.
>
> -jg
>
> From: <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Nnenna Nwakanma <
> nnenna75 at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday 21 June 2016 at 17:20
> To: Lea Kaspar <lea at gp-digital.org>
> Cc: Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org>, Best Bits <
> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat Participants
>
> Thanks, Lea
>
> I think it is important that CS folks organisee CS remote participation.
> That is, if the IGF secretariat is okay with it.
>
> Just thinking loud
>
> Nnenna
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Lea Kaspar <lea at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just got off the MAG call. Remote participation for the Retreat still not
>> sorted out. From what I understood, we can expect live tweeting under
>> Chatham house rules, but that could be it. Others on the call can
>> corroborate -
>>
>> Best,
>> Lea
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Great point Ayden.  I would hope that those who have been invited to
>>> participate will continue to be push hard for remote participation.
>>>
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>> On 6/20/2016 11:41 AM, Ayden Fabien Férdeline wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Lea,
>>>
>>> Thank you for sharing this. I note that Nitin Desai will be
>>> participating in the Retreat remotely. I wonder if this mean that remote
>>> participation will be available to all to observe the dialogue exchanged?
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Lea Kaspar <lea at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> In case of interest, the IGF Secretariat has just published the full
>>>> list of participants to the July Retreat. See Chengetai's email below.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> *Lea Kaspar*
>>>>
>>>> Head of Programmes | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>>>
>>>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>>>
>>>> T: +44 (0)20 3818 3258 | M: +44 (0)7583 929216
>>>>
>>>> gp-digital.org
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Chengetai Masango <cmasango at unog.ch>
>>>> Date: Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:10 PM
>>>> Subject: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat Participants
>>>> To: MAG-public <igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The list of IGF Retreat participants has been published at:
>>>> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat-participants-list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chengetai
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr  Tue Jun 21 13:32:23 2016
From: arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr (Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo))
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 17:32:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat
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Thanks De for sharing this.
Still wondering what can be done by CS by themselves if the Secretariat doesn't allow any remote participation, also given no RP facilities are available (as per my understanding, not sure if this discussions has evolved)
Also, still don't know why a lot of confidentiality in such a retreat which is already limited by the number of participants, a retreat with all the controversy that are attached to it.
Would really appreciate some thoughts on how we can ensure RP.
 ------------------------------------------------------Arsène Tungali,IGC Co-Coordinator,
Co-founder & Executive Director, Rudi InternationalFacebook - Twitter - LinkedInInternet Governance - Blogger - ISOC Ambassador - ICANN Fellow - Child Online Protection Evangelist.
Democratic Republic of Congo 

    Le Mardi 21 juin 2016 18h43, Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> a écrit :
 

 Particularly in the cause of transparency and inclusion this discussion should be happening as widely as possibly among civil society. With apologies I have therefore copied to IGC and JNC. Perhaps others can spread the word further to as much of "global civil society" as possible, since all of us speaking together would have a VERY loud voice that would demand attention.Best wishesDeirdre
On 21 June 2016 at 12:27, James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net> wrote:

Just my 2c but I don’t think it should really be a negotiation, I know I may be naïve in certain aspects of the IGF working methods but open and transparent was always told to me to be a core concept. I don’t think we should be compromising those ideals at this critical juncture. Without that what do we really have to move forward with.
-jg
From: <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
Reply-To: Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday 21 June 2016 at 17:20
To: Lea Kaspar <lea at gp-digital.org>
Cc: Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org>, Best Bits <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
Subject: Re: [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat Participants

Thanks, Lea

I think it is important that CS folks organisee CS remote participation. That is, if the IGF secretariat is okay with it.

Just thinking loud

Nnenna

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Lea Kaspar <lea at gp-digital.org> wrote:

Hi all, 
Just got off the MAG call. Remote participation for the Retreat still not sorted out. From what I understood, we can expect live tweeting under Chatham house rules, but that could be it. Others on the call can corroborate -
Best,Lea
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org> wrote:

Great point Ayden.  I would hope that those who have been invited to participate will continue to be push hard for remote participation.Matthew

On 6/20/2016 11:41 AM, Ayden Fabien Férdeline wrote:

Dear Lea,

Thank you for sharing this. I note that Nitin Desai will be participating in the Retreat remotely. I wonder if this mean that remote participation will be available to all to observe the dialogue exchanged? 
Best wishes,
Ayden Férdeline
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Lea Kaspar <lea at gp-digital.org> wrote:

Dear all, 
In case of interest, the IGF Secretariat has just published the full list of participants to the July Retreat. See Chengetai's email below.
Best,
Lea Kaspar
Head of Programmes | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITALSecond Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JLT: +44 (0)20 3818 3258 | M: +44 (0)7583 929216gp-digital.org
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Chengetai Masango <cmasango at unog.ch>
Date: Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:10 PM
Subject: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat Participants
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Dear All, The list of IGF Retreat participants has been published at:http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat-participants-list Best regards, Chengetai   
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From raquino at gmail.com  Tue Jun 21 13:54:50 2016
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 17:54:50 +0000
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat
 Participants
In-Reply-To:  <CAMz5XN6Mzdp85HZPfP3QWh6wqp=UpX=uCaxL+TixMwEe1GGM+Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi
(Apologies I have no idea if my msg gets out to JNC, pls fwd if appropriate)
I'm not sure if being loud or making noise has done the best it could so far. I agree we should agree, as CS, on some topics but I also see the challenge on
that, being CS (fortunately) a diverse group.
The topic of remote participation, for instance, has had some news in this last
call, as Lea has expressed. The twitter like updates remain. The streaming - even if partial - seems to be an idea which has been dropped
for the moment.
As for the balance in SG representation on the retreat, from the list one can
easily see that CS numbers are low. Even more worrying, CSCG nominees number are
even lower. That when compared, for instance, with the numbers of gov and
intergov.
I was reminded that even though CS is participating on retreat, each one of its
participants is there on their own personal capacity, not those of their
organization.
So, while this makes it clearer fo the CS rep to express their thoughts, also
takes us back to the original question: what, if any, does CS as a group have to
do with the next 10 years of the IGF and how should it go about it?
Just a quick addition: I find twitter updates way more able to interpretation
and polemic than streaming of a meeting, so I do not understand very well the
choice there. What isn`t spoken has much more power than what is out there in
the open.
Best,
Renata





On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 1:42 PM, Deirdre Williams williams.deirdre at gmail.com wrote:
Particularly in the cause of transparency and inclusion this discussion should
be happening as widely as possibly among civil society. With apologies I have
therefore copied to IGC and JNC. Perhaps others can spread the word further to
as much of "global civil society" as possible, since all of us speaking together
would have a VERY loud voice that would demand attention. Best wishes Deirdre
On 21 June 2016 at 12:27, James Gannon < james at cyberinvasion.net > wrote:
Just my 2c but I don’t think it should really be a negotiation, I know I may be
naïve in certain aspects of the IGF working methods but open and transparent was
always told to me to be a core concept. I don’t think we should be compromising
those ideals at this critical juncture. Without that what do we really have to
move forward with.
-jg
From: < bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net > on behalf of Nnenna Nwakanma < nnenna75 at gmail.com >
Reply-To: Nnenna Nwakanma < nnenna75 at gmail.com >
Date: Tuesday 21 June 2016 at 17:20
To: Lea Kaspar < lea at gp-digital.org >
Cc: Matthew Shears < mshears at cdt.org >, Best Bits < bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >
Subject: Re: [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat Participants

Thanks, Lea

I think it is important that CS folks organisee CS remote participation. That
is, if the IGF secretariat is okay with it.

Just thinking loud

Nnenna

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Lea Kaspar < lea at gp-digital.org > wrote:
Hi all,
Just got off the MAG call. Remote participation for the Retreat still not sorted
out. From what I understood, we can expect live tweeting under Chatham house
rules, but that could be it. Others on the call can corroborate -
Best, Lea


On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Matthew Shears < mshears at cdt.org > wrote:
Great point Ayden. I would hope that those who have been invited to participate
will continue to be push hard for remote participation.

Matthew



On 6/20/2016 11:41 AM, Ayden Fabien Férdeline wrote:
Dear Lea,

Thank you for sharing this. I note that Nitin Desai will be participating in the
Retreat remotely. I wonder if this mean that remote participation will be
available to all to observe the dialogue exchanged?
Best wishes,
Ayden Férdeline
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Lea Kaspar < lea at gp-digital.org > wrote:
Dear all,
In case of interest, the IGF Secretariat has just published the full list of
participants to the July Retreat. See Chengetai's email below.
Best,
Lea Kaspar


Head of Programmes | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL

Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL

T: +44 (0)20 3818 3258 | M: +44 (0)7583 929216

gp-digital.org


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Chengetai Masango < cmasango at unog.ch >
Date: Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:10 PM
Subject: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat Participants
To: MAG-public < igfmaglist at intgovforum.org >


Dear All,



The list of IGF Retreat participants has been published at: http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat-participants-list



Best regards,



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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Tue Jun 21 14:44:43 2016
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 14:44:43 -0400
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat
 Participants
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I think I didn't make myself sufficiently clear.

I am not talking about being loud or making noise, I'm talking about the
authority that can be exerted by a large number of voices speaking
together. Civil society has not "spoken together" for rather a long time,
but on this issue, no matter how diverse our ideas may be, I would expect
that the majority of civil society (perhaps of everyone??) would agree that
it would be desirable at the very least to be able to observe what is
happening at the meeting and ideally to have a formal means of contributing
to it.

Given something that potentially we can agree on, this is in fact a great
opportunity to test our communal strength.

Deirdre

On 21 June 2016 at 13:54, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> (Apologies I have no idea if my msg gets out to JNC, pls fwd if
> appropriate)
>
> I'm not sure if being loud or making noise has done the best it could so
> far.
> I agree we should agree, as CS, on some topics but I also see the
> challenge on that, being CS (fortunately) a diverse group.
>
> The topic of remote participation, for instance, has had some news in this
> last call, as Lea has expressed.
> The twitter like updates remain.
> The streaming - even if partial - seems to be an idea which has been
> dropped for the moment.
>
> As for the balance in SG representation on the retreat, from the list one
> can easily see that CS numbers are low. Even more worrying, CSCG nominees
> number are even lower. That when compared, for instance, with the numbers
> of gov and intergov.
>
> I was reminded that even though CS is participating on retreat, each one
> of its participants is there on their own personal capacity, not those of
> their organization.
>
> So, while this makes it clearer fo the CS rep to express their thoughts,
> also takes us back to the original question: what, if any, does CS as a
> group have to do with the next 10 years of the IGF and how should it go
> about it?
>
> Just a quick addition: I find twitter updates way more able to
> interpretation and polemic than streaming of a meeting, so I do not
> understand very well the choice there. What isn`t spoken has much more
> power than what is out there in the open.
>
> Best,
>
> Renata
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 1:42 PM, Deirdre Williams williams.deirdre at gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Particularly in the cause of transparency and inclusion this discussion
>> should be happening as widely as possibly among civil society. With
>> apologies I have therefore copied to IGC and JNC. Perhaps others can spread
>> the word further to as much of "global civil society" as possible, since
>> all of us speaking together would have a VERY loud voice that would demand
>> attention.
>> Best wishes
>> Deirdre
>>
>> On 21 June 2016 at 12:27, James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net> wrote:
>>
>> Just my 2c but I don’t think it should really be a negotiation, I know I
>> may be naïve in certain aspects of the IGF working methods but open and
>> transparent was always told to me to be a core concept. I don’t think we
>> should be compromising those ideals at this critical juncture. Without that
>> what do we really have to move forward with.
>>
>> -jg
>>
>> From: <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Nnenna Nwakanma
>> <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
>> Date: Tuesday 21 June 2016 at 17:20
>> To: Lea Kaspar <lea at gp-digital.org>
>> Cc: Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org>, Best Bits <
>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat Participants
>>
>> Thanks, Lea
>>
>> I think it is important that CS folks organisee CS remote participation.
>> That is, if the IGF secretariat is okay with it.
>>
>> Just thinking loud
>>
>> Nnenna
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Lea Kaspar <lea at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just got off the MAG call. Remote participation for the Retreat still not
>> sorted out. From what I understood, we can expect live tweeting under
>> Chatham house rules, but that could be it. Others on the call can
>> corroborate -
>>
>> Best,
>> Lea
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org> wrote:
>>
>> Great point Ayden.  I would hope that those who have been invited to
>> participate will continue to be push hard for remote participation.
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>> On 6/20/2016 11:41 AM, Ayden Fabien Férdeline wrote:
>>
>> Dear Lea,
>>
>> Thank you for sharing this. I note that Nitin Desai will be participating
>> in the Retreat remotely. I wonder if this mean that remote participation
>> will be available to all to observe the dialogue exchanged?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Lea Kaspar <lea at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> In case of interest, the IGF Secretariat has just published the full list
>> of participants to the July Retreat. See Chengetai's email below.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> *Lea Kaspar*
>>
>> Head of Programmes | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>
>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>
>> T: +44 (0)20 3818 3258 | M: +44 (0)7583 929216
>>
>> gp-digital.org
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *Chengetai Masango* <cmasango at unog.ch>
>> Date: Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:10 PM
>> Subject: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat Participants
>> To: MAG-public <igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>
>>
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>>
>>
>> The list of IGF Retreat participants has been published at:
>> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat-participants-list
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Chengetai
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From ian.peter at ianpeter.com  Tue Jun 21 17:47:31 2016
From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 07:47:31 +1000
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat
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Message-ID: <5B62971D6682417CB963D9B25944EC64@Toshiba>

If I may just touch on three things mentioned here:

Firstly, submissions to the IGF Retreat close June 30. Is anyone planning a submission? It’s one way to get things on the agenda. CSCG is doing a submission, but in line with its brief it will only talk about cleaning up the MAG nomination processes. ( we will make it public when it is finalised). But I would encourage other submissions, that is one way to get matters of concern on the table. I think the chance of a whole of civil society submission is remote with only a week to go, so groups perhaps should take the opportunity to submit individually.

Secondly, one of the things the CSCG submission will raise is gender balance. A point we will be making is that the continual habit of adjusting civil society participation to give the appearance of better gender balance overall does not solve the problem of sexual discrimination, and all stakeholders need to be required to look more carefully at gender balance within their own selections.  As an example, looking at the overall balance among stakeholders for this meeting you get something like

Civil Society 5 – 1 male 4 female
Private Sector 5 – 3 male 2 female
Tech Community 5 – 4 male 1 female
Government and intergovernental 26 – 23 male, 3 female
Overall – 31 male, 10 female 

(havent double checked my figures but they wont alter much from that) Clearly relying on civil society to provide better gender balance is doing nothing to solve the underlying problem.

And thirdly – just to clarify CSCG endorsements in this process. There was never any dispute about Lea Kaspar, Stuart Hamilton and Anriette Esterhuysen attending, as the direct nominees of CS MAG and CSCG respectively. However, after some protests from our side about the process, UNDESA did eventually ask us to endorse the nominations of Sala and Nnenna – neither of whom in the messy and duplicative process they adopted were among the names originally considered by CSCG. These names were suggested by UNDESA to improve overall geographic and gender balance. The CSCG Nomcom did decide to endorse both Sala and Nnenna in the circumstances. Both are of course excellent civil society representatives, and it should be clear that CSCG is supportive of all the civil society attendees at the retreat – if genuinely concerned about the messy way the process was conducted.

Ian Peter


From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro 
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 3:54 AM
To: williams.deirdre at gmail.com 
Cc: James Gannon ; Nnenna Nwakanma ; Lea Kaspar ; Matthew Shears ; Best Bits ; Internet Governance ; JNC Forum 
Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat Participants

      Hi

      (Apologies I have no idea if my msg gets out to JNC, pls fwd if appropriate)

      I'm not sure if being loud or making noise has done the best it could so far. 
      I agree we should agree, as CS, on some topics but I also see the challenge on that, being CS (fortunately) a diverse group. 

      The topic of remote participation, for instance, has had some news in this last call, as Lea has expressed.
      The twitter like updates remain.
      The streaming - even if partial - seems to be an idea which has been dropped for the moment.

      As for the balance in SG representation on the retreat, from the list one can easily see that CS numbers are low. Even more worrying, CSCG nominees number are even lower. That when compared, for instance, with the numbers of gov and intergov.

      I was reminded that even though CS is participating on retreat, each one of its participants is there on their own personal capacity, not those of their organization. 

      So, while this makes it clearer fo the CS rep to express their thoughts, also takes us back to the original question: what, if any, does CS as a group have to do with the next 10 years of the IGF and how should it go about it?

      Just a quick addition: I find twitter updates way more able to interpretation and polemic than streaming of a meeting, so I do not understand very well the choice there. What isn`t spoken has much more power than what is out there in the open.

      Best,

      Renata
        





On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 1:42 PM, Deirdre Williams williams.deirdre at gmail.com wrote:

  Particularly in the cause of transparency and inclusion this discussion should be happening as widely as possibly among civil society. With apologies I have therefore copied to IGC and JNC. Perhaps others can spread the word further to as much of "global civil society" as possible, since all of us speaking together would have a VERY loud voice that would demand attention. 
  Best wishes
  Deirdre

  On 21 June 2016 at 12:27, James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net> wrote:

    Just my 2c but I don’t think it should really be a negotiation, I know I may be naïve in certain aspects of the IGF working methods but open and transparent was always told to me to be a core concept. I don’t think we should be compromising those ideals at this critical juncture. Without that what do we really have to move forward with.

    -jg

    From: <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
    Reply-To: Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
    Date: Tuesday 21 June 2016 at 17:20
    To: Lea Kaspar <lea at gp-digital.org>
    Cc: Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org>, Best Bits <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
    Subject: Re: [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat Participants


    Thanks, Lea


    I think it is important that CS folks organisee CS remote participation. That is, if the IGF secretariat is okay with it. 


    Just thinking loud


    Nnenna


    On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Lea Kaspar <lea at gp-digital.org> wrote:

      Hi all,  

      Just got off the MAG call. Remote participation for the Retreat still not sorted out. From what I understood, we can expect live tweeting under Chatham house rules, but that could be it. Others on the call can corroborate -

      Best,
      Lea


      On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org> wrote:

        Great point Ayden.  I would hope that those who have been invited to participate will continue to be push hard for remote participation.

        Matthew




        On 6/20/2016 11:41 AM, Ayden Fabien Férdeline wrote:

          Dear Lea,

          Thank you for sharing this. I note that Nitin Desai will be participating in the Retreat remotely. I wonder if this mean that remote participation will be available to all to observe the dialogue exchanged?  

          Best wishes,

          Ayden Férdeline

          On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Lea Kaspar <lea at gp-digital.org> wrote:

            Dear all,  

            In case of interest, the IGF Secretariat has just published the full list of participants to the July Retreat. See Chengetai's email below.

            Best,

            Lea Kaspar


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            Dear All,



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From gurstein at gmail.com  Tue Jun 21 20:02:36 2016
From: gurstein at gmail.com (Michael Gurstein)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 17:02:36 -0700
Subject: [governance] Poland's Government is Going after the Internet
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http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/10/now-polands-government-is-coming-after-t
he-internet/

Russia, too:

Russian bill requires encryption backdoors in all messenger apps

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/encryption-backdoor-russia-fsb/


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From raquino at gmail.com  Tue Jun 21 20:57:58 2016
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 00:57:58 +0000
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat
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Hi
Thanks for mentioning gender balance and sending in these numbers. It is great to know the CSCG had an eye for this and sent a message about the
disparity of male/female participation.
I`d like just to clarify that my comments about being worried about the process
converge with a general ask for greater clarity and participation on the debate
about the next 10 years of the IGF. All that is being discussed just reaffirms
that the majority of civil society wants to participate on this debate,
considering or not its start on retreat.
My congratulations to Sala and Nnenna have been expressed in other discussion
spaces, as well as to all CS representatives. If not, here they go again.
On the spirit of moving forward, CS groups have much more to plan in relation to
perspectives on internet governance. We all hope to have some news to share on
this soon.
Best,
Renata





On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 6:47 PM, Ian Peter ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote:
If I may just touch on three things mentioned here: Firstly, submissions to the IGF Retreat close June 30. Is anyone planning a
submission? It’s one way to get things on the agenda. CSCG is doing a
submission, but in line with its brief it will only talk about cleaning up the
MAG nomination processes. ( we will make it public when it is finalised). But I
would encourage other submissions, that is one way to get matters of concern on
the table. I think the chance of a whole of civil society submission is remote
with only a week to go, so groups perhaps should take the opportunity to submit
individually. Secondly, one of the things the CSCG submission will raise is gender balance. A
point we will be making is that the continual habit of adjusting civil society
participation to give the appearance of better gender balance overall does not
solve the problem of sexual discrimination, and all stakeholders need to be
required to look more carefully at gender balance within their own selections.
As an example, looking at the overall balance among stakeholders for this
meeting you get something like Civil Society 5 – 1 male 4 female Private Sector 5 – 3 male 2 female Tech Community 5 – 4 male 1 female Government and intergovernental 26 – 23 male, 3 female Overall – 31 male, 10 female (havent double checked my figures but they wont alter much from that) Clearly
relying on civil society to provide better gender balance is doing nothing to
solve the underlying problem. And thirdly – just to clarify CSCG endorsements in this process. There was
never any dispute about Lea Kaspar, Stuart Hamilton and Anriette Esterhuysen
attending, as the direct nominees of CS MAG and CSCG respectively. However,
after some protests from our side about the process, UNDESA did eventually ask
us to endorse the nominations of Sala and Nnenna – neither of whom in the messy
and duplicative process they adopted were among the names originally considered
by CSCG. These names were suggested by UNDESA to improve overall geographic and
gender balance. The CSCG Nomcom did decide to endorse both Sala and Nnenna in
the circumstances. Both are of course excellent civil society representatives,
and it should be clear that CSCG is supportive of all the civil society
attendees at the retreat – if genuinely concerned about the messy way the
process was conducted. Ian Peter From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 3:54 AM To: williams.deirdre at gmail.com Cc: James Gannon ; Nnenna Nwakanma ; Lea Kaspar ; Matthew Shears ; Best Bits ; Internet Governance ; JNC Forum Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat Participants Hi (Apologies I have no idea if my msg gets out to JNC, pls fwd if appropriate) I'm not sure if being loud or making noise has done the best it could so far. I agree we should agree, as CS, on some topics but I also see the challenge on
that, being CS (fortunately) a diverse group. The topic of remote participation, for instance, has had some news in this last
call, as Lea has expressed. The twitter like updates remain. The streaming - even if partial - seems to be an idea which has been dropped
for the moment. As for the balance in SG representation on the retreat, from the list one can
easily see that CS numbers are low. Even more worrying, CSCG nominees number are
even lower. That when compared, for instance, with the numbers of gov and
intergov. I was reminded that even though CS is participating on retreat, each one of its
participants is there on their own personal capacity, not those of their
organization. So, while this makes it clearer fo the CS rep to express their thoughts, also
takes us back to the original question: what, if any, does CS as a group have to
do with the next 10 years of the IGF and how should it go about it? Just a quick addition: I find twitter updates way more able to interpretation
and polemic than streaming of a meeting, so I do not understand very well the
choice there. What isn`t spoken has much more power than what is out there in
the open. Best, Renata



On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 1:42 PM, Deirdre Williams williams.deirdre at gmail.com wrote:
Particularly in the cause of transparency and inclusion this discussion should
be happening as widely as possibly among civil society. With apologies I have
therefore copied to IGC and JNC. Perhaps others can spread the word further to
as much of "global civil society" as possible, since all of us speaking together
would have a VERY loud voice that would demand attention. Best wishes Deirdre On 21 June 2016 at 12:27, James Gannon < james at cyberinvasion.net > wrote:
Just my 2c but I don’t think it should really be a negotiation, I know I may be
naïve in certain aspects of the IGF working methods but open and transparent was
always told to me to be a core concept. I don’t think we should be compromising
those ideals at this critical juncture. Without that what do we really have to
move forward with. -jg From: < bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net > on behalf of Nnenna Nwakanma < nnenna75 at gmail.com >
Reply-To: Nnenna Nwakanma < nnenna75 at gmail.com >
Date: Tuesday 21 June 2016 at 17:20
To: Lea Kaspar < lea at gp-digital.org >
Cc: Matthew Shears < mshears at cdt.org >, Best Bits < bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >
Subject: Re: [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat Participants
Thanks, Lea

I think it is important that CS folks organisee CS remote participation. That
is, if the IGF secretariat is okay with it.

Just thinking loud

Nnenna
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Lea Kaspar < lea at gp-digital.org > wrote:
Hi all, Just got off the MAG call. Remote participation for the Retreat still not
sorted out. From what I understood, we can expect live tweeting under Chatham
house rules, but that could be it. Others on the call can corroborate - Best, Lea

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Matthew Shears < mshears at cdt.org > wrote:
Great point Ayden. I would hope that those who have been invited to participate
will continue to be push hard for remote participation.

Matthew



On 6/20/2016 11:41 AM, Ayden Fabien Férdeline wrote:
Dear Lea,

Thank you for sharing this. I note that Nitin Desai will be participating in the
Retreat remotely. I wonder if this mean that remote participation will be
available to all to observe the dialogue exchanged? Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Lea Kaspar < lea at gp-digital.org > wrote:
Dear all, In case of interest, the IGF Secretariat has just published the full list of
participants to the July Retreat. See Chengetai's email below. Best,Lea Kaspar


Head of Programmes | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL

Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL

T: +44 (0)20 3818 3258 | M: +44 (0)7583 929216

gp-digital.org

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Date: Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:10 PM
Subject: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat Participants
To: MAG-public < igfmaglist at intgovforum.org >


Dear All,



The list of IGF Retreat participants has been published at: http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat-participants-list



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From nb at bollow.ch  Wed Jun 22 00:50:13 2016
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 06:50:13 +0200
Subject: [governance] Crossposted and nonsubscriber postings to JNC Forum
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 17:54:50 +0000
Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:

> (Apologies I have no idea if my msg gets out to JNC, pls fwd if
> appropriate)

For the sake of clarity and transparency on this point...

Posting to the JNC Forum list <forum at justnetcoalition.org> (which you
had Cc'd) is indeed the preferred way for bringing Internet governance
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From joly at punkcast.com  Wed Jun 22 02:10:35 2016
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 02:10:35 -0400
Subject: [governance] VIDEO: Music Licensing: Innovations for Modern Times
 @techpolicyinst @NYUEngelberg
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Later today, Jun 22 2016, the inaugural meeting of the Open Music Initiative
<http://www.open-music.org/> takes place in NYC. The OMI is a collaboration
between the Berklee school and the MIT Media Lab and others to "to promote
and advance the development of open source standards and innovation related
to music," However, when I got in touch and offered to livestream the
meeting, I was told "the meeting is closed to the public so live streaming
won't be permitted". It seems old habits die hard.
​​
By total contrast, the Engelberg/TPI conference last Friday, archived
below, was an exemplar of the kind of open multistakeholder forum that
we've come to expect in modern policy and standards development. Kudos.
​

joly posted: "On June 17 2016 the Engelberg Center on Innovation Law &
Policy and the Technology Policy Institute, hosted a conference Music
Licensing: Innovations for Modern Times at NYU Law School in NYC. Described
as "A conversation among academics, industry rep"

[image: music_policy]
<http://www.nyuengelberg.org/s/ICPSENGL167-Music-Licensing-Poster-RELEASE.pdf>On
*June 17 2016* the *Engelberg Center on Innovation Law & Policy
<http://www.nyuengelberg.org/>* and the *Technology Policy Institute
<https://techpolicyinstitute.org/>*, hosted a conference *Music Licensing:
Innovations for Modern Times
<http://static1.squarespace.com/static/528679bee4b0fb796a381814/t/5762b0f8d2b857a152c73f4e/1466085625330/June+17+Music+Licensing+Conference+Agenda+and+Speakers.pdf>*at
NYU Law School in NYC. Described as "A conversation among academics,
industry representatives, and policy experts on how the music licensing
ecosystem can compensate the right people more transparently, fairly, and
efficiently," the event comprised three panels. Video is below
(uncaptioned).
Roundtable 1: How do we structure a modern digital music distribution
music-licensing ecosystem to be more competitive and work efficiently and
fairly for all stakeholders?

*Moderator*: *Larry Miller*, Clinical Associate Professor and Director,
Music Business Program, NYU Steinhardt; Panelists: *Michael Katz*, Sarin
Chair in Strategy and Leadership and Professor, Economics Department and
Haas School of Business, UC Berkeley; *David Levin*, Vice President,
Digital Licensing, Broadcast Music, Inc. (BMI); *Steven Marks*, Chief,
Digital Business & General Counsel, Recording Industry Association of
America; *Katherine Oyama*, Senior Policy Counsel, Google, Inc.; *Daniel
Rubinfeld*, *Robert L. Bridges*, Professor of Law and Professor of
Economics Emeritus, UC Berkeley; Professor of Law, NYU School of Law;
*Christopher
Sprigman*, Professor, NYU School of Law.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YMFijJ1FEY?rel=0>
*View on YouTube*: https://youtu.be/7YMFijJ1FEY
*Skip intro*: https://youtu.be/7YMFijJ1FEY?t=541
Roundtable 2: Deep Dive into Digital Databases

*Moderator*: *Christopher Sprigman*, Professor, NYU School of Law.
*Panelists*: *Jacqueline Charlesworth*, General Counsel and Associate
Register of Copyrights, United States Copyright Office; *Mark Eisenberg*,
Vice President, Strategic Initiatives, SoundExchange, Inc.; *Andrea
Finkelstein*, EVP Global Business Affairs Operations, Sony Music
Entertainment; *James Griffin*, Managing Director, OneHouse; *Casey Rae*,
Director of Music Licensing, Sirius XM; *Lawrence White*, *Robert Kavesh*,
Professor of Economics and Deputy Chair, Economic Department, NYU Leonard
N. Stern School of Business.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgGyoZf6QKs?rel=0>
*View on YouTube*: https://youtu.be/SgGyoZf6QKs
*Skip intro*: https://youtu.be/SgGyoZf6QKs?t=154
Roundtable 3: What Changes to the Current System Are Feasible that Would
Facilitate a Transition to a More Competitive Market?

*Moderator*: *Thomas Lenard*, President and Senior Fellow, Technology
Policy Institute. *Panelists*: *Dale Collins*, Partner, Shearman & Sterling
LLP; Adjunct Professor of Law, NYU School of Law; *Lee Knife*, Executive
Director, Digital Media Association; *Richard Masio*, Director of Music
Licensing, Pandora; *Brad Prendergast*, Senior Counsel, Licensing &
Enforcement, SoundExchange, Inc.; *Tim Quirk*, Founder/CEO, Freeform
Development; *David Wolfert*, Songwriter and Producer; Co-Founder, Council
of Music Creators and Music Answers; Songwriting Faculty, NYU Steinhardt.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV4V5eJOiUc?rel=0>
*View on YouTube*: https://youtu.be/FV4V5eJOiUc
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From jam at jacquelinemorris.com  Wed Jun 22 06:52:33 2016
From: jam at jacquelinemorris.com (Jacqueline Morris)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 06:52:33 -0400
Subject: [governance] VIDEO: Music Licensing: Innovations for Modern
 Times @techpolicyinst @NYUEngelberg
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Thanks so much for this Joly.
On 22 Jun 2016 7:11 a.m., "Joly MacFie" <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:

> Later today, Jun 22 2016, the inaugural meeting of the Open Music
> Initiative <http://www.open-music.org/> takes place in NYC. The OMI is a
> collaboration between the Berklee school and the MIT Media Lab and others
> to "to promote and advance the development of open source standards and
> innovation related to music," However, when I got in touch and offered to
> livestream the meeting, I was told "the meeting is closed to the public so
> live streaming won't be permitted". It seems old habits die hard.
> ​​
> By total contrast, the Engelberg/TPI conference last Friday, archived
> below, was an exemplar of the kind of open multistakeholder forum that
> we've come to expect in modern policy and standards development. Kudos.
> ​
>
> joly posted: "On June 17 2016 the Engelberg Center on Innovation Law &
> Policy and the Technology Policy Institute, hosted a conference Music
> Licensing: Innovations for Modern Times at NYU Law School in NYC. Described
> as "A conversation among academics, industry rep"
>
> [image: music_policy]
> <http://www.nyuengelberg.org/s/ICPSENGL167-Music-Licensing-Poster-RELEASE.pdf>On
> *June 17 2016* the *Engelberg Center on Innovation Law & Policy
> <http://www.nyuengelberg.org/>* and the *Technology Policy Institute
> <https://techpolicyinstitute.org/>*, hosted a conference *Music
> Licensing: Innovations for Modern Times
> <http://static1.squarespace.com/static/528679bee4b0fb796a381814/t/5762b0f8d2b857a152c73f4e/1466085625330/June+17+Music+Licensing+Conference+Agenda+and+Speakers.pdf>*at
> NYU Law School in NYC. Described as "A conversation among academics,
> industry representatives, and policy experts on how the music licensing
> ecosystem can compensate the right people more transparently, fairly, and
> efficiently," the event comprised three panels. Video is below
> (uncaptioned).
> Roundtable 1: How do we structure a modern digital music distribution
> music-licensing ecosystem to be more competitive and work efficiently and
> fairly for all stakeholders?
>
> *Moderator*: *Larry Miller*, Clinical Associate Professor and Director,
> Music Business Program, NYU Steinhardt; Panelists: *Michael Katz*, Sarin
> Chair in Strategy and Leadership and Professor, Economics Department and
> Haas School of Business, UC Berkeley; *David Levin*, Vice President,
> Digital Licensing, Broadcast Music, Inc. (BMI); *Steven Marks*, Chief,
> Digital Business & General Counsel, Recording Industry Association of
> America; *Katherine Oyama*, Senior Policy Counsel, Google, Inc.; *Daniel
> Rubinfeld*, *Robert L. Bridges*, Professor of Law and Professor of
> Economics Emeritus, UC Berkeley; Professor of Law, NYU School of Law; *Christopher
> Sprigman*, Professor, NYU School of Law.
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YMFijJ1FEY?rel=0>
> *View on YouTube*: https://youtu.be/7YMFijJ1FEY
> *Skip intro*: https://youtu.be/7YMFijJ1FEY?t=541
> Roundtable 2: Deep Dive into Digital Databases
>
> *Moderator*: *Christopher Sprigman*, Professor, NYU School of Law.
> *Panelists*: *Jacqueline Charlesworth*, General Counsel and Associate
> Register of Copyrights, United States Copyright Office; *Mark Eisenberg*,
> Vice President, Strategic Initiatives, SoundExchange, Inc.; *Andrea
> Finkelstein*, EVP Global Business Affairs Operations, Sony Music
> Entertainment; *James Griffin*, Managing Director, OneHouse; *Casey Rae*,
> Director of Music Licensing, Sirius XM; *Lawrence White*, *Robert Kavesh*,
> Professor of Economics and Deputy Chair, Economic Department, NYU Leonard
> N. Stern School of Business.
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgGyoZf6QKs?rel=0>
> *View on YouTube*: https://youtu.be/SgGyoZf6QKs
> *Skip intro*: https://youtu.be/SgGyoZf6QKs?t=154
> Roundtable 3: What Changes to the Current System Are Feasible that Would
> Facilitate a Transition to a More Competitive Market?
>
> *Moderator*: *Thomas Lenard*, President and Senior Fellow, Technology
> Policy Institute. *Panelists*: *Dale Collins*, Partner, Shearman &
> Sterling LLP; Adjunct Professor of Law, NYU School of Law; *Lee Knife*,
> Executive Director, Digital Media Association; *Richard Masio*, Director
> of Music Licensing, Pandora; *Brad Prendergast*, Senior Counsel,
> Licensing & Enforcement, SoundExchange, Inc.; *Tim Quirk*, Founder/CEO,
> Freeform Development; *David Wolfert*, Songwriter and Producer;
> Co-Founder, Council of Music Creators and Music Answers; Songwriting
> Faculty, NYU Steinhardt.
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV4V5eJOiUc?rel=0>
> *View on YouTube*: https://youtu.be/FV4V5eJOiUc
> *Skip intro*: https://youtu.be/FV4V5eJOiUc?t=90
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From iyedigoma at gmail.com  Wed Jun 22 13:11:41 2016
From: iyedigoma at gmail.com (Iyedi Goma)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 18:11:41 +0100
Subject: [governance] Call for Applications for Fellows from the Global
 South
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hello

i have reply to the call of fellow but i d't get

acknowledgment of receipt

tks for news


2016-05-24 8:17 GMT+01:00 Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>:

> Apologies for cross posting.
>
> Best to all
>
> Anriette
>
>
>           IGF Academy Fellowships
>
> iRights, in cooperation with the Association for Progressive
> Communications (APC) and LIRNEasia, with the financial support of
> the German Ministry for Economic Cooperation and Development, are
> pleased to announce the call for applications for a fellowship to the
> Internet Governance Forum (IGF) Academy.
>
> We are looking for national champions in the field of freedom of
> expression and / or Internet governance. The fellowship will enable
> fellows to receive mentoring from internationally renowned experts in
> the Internet governance process, to participate in a regional workshop
> with champions from other countries, and to participate in the global
> Internet Governance Forum (IGF) in Guadalajara, Mexico, from December
> 4th to 10th.
>
>
>           About the academy
>
> The project seeks to foster and enhance freedom of expression on the
> Internet and inclusive and transparent national Internet governance and
> policy processes through the creation and/or consolidation of
> multistakeholder, national Internet Governance structures in Africa and
> Asia. To achieve this, the IGF Academy will bring together eight
> national champions from four African countries (Namibia, South Africa,
> Congo Brazzaville, Togo) and eight national champions from four Asian
> countries (Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Bhutan and Bangladesh).
>
>
>           The IGF Academy Fellowships
>
> The fellowship will provide experienced individuals with the opportunity
> to:
>
> > receive mentoring from internationally renowned Internet governance
> practitioners
>
> > deepen their understanding of Internet governance issues and processes
>
> > expand their networks nationally, regionally and globally
>
> > develop a strategic roadmap to strengthen existing or initiate inclusive
> national Internet Governance processes in their countries
>
> > peer learning with experts from their country, their region and
> cross-regionally
>
> > participate in a regional training event
>
> > participate in a training event at the global IGF
>
> > participate in the global UN IGF 2016 in Guadalajara
>
> > be part of a (cross)regional and UN global dialogue on freedom of
> expression and information preparing for the UN Internet Governance Forum
> (IGF)
>
> Fellowships will be awarded through a competitive process. Applications
> will be accepted until the 12th of June 2016, 22:00 GMT.
>
> We encourage you to apply and forward the information about this
> programme to individuals who have a passion for freedom of expression
> and a broad understanding of a multistakeholder dialogue.
>
> The fellowship period runs from June – December 2016.
>
> Successful applicants will receive assistance and funding for travel,
> accommodation and meals to attend:
>
> > One training event in their region (3 days), dates and location to be
> determined
>
> > The UN Internet Governance Forum, Guadalajara, Mexico and a one-day
> pre-IGF workshop, December 4- 10 2016
>
>
>           Criteria for selection
>
> Selection for the Fellowship is competitive. The selected candidates
> must provide a clear motivation for participating in the academy,
> including demonstrating a strong sense of what they intend to
> accomplish, how Internet Governance may help to foster freedom of
> expression in the long term in their home country and how they intend to
> apply the regional and global experiences from the trainings and the
> global UN IGF in their own national project.
>
> Two fellows per country will be selected, one of them experienced in the
> human rights field, the other with experience in Internet governance
> processes.
>
> In order to qualify applicants must be based in one of these countries:
>
>       * Namibia,
>       * Republic of the Congo,
>       * Togo,
>       * South Africa,
>       * Myanmar,
>       * Sri Lanka,
>       * Bhutan,
>       * Bangladesh
>
> and be able to demonstrate that they
>
> > are proficient in English (oral and written)
>
> > are committed to the use of the Internet as a driver for development,
> democracy and human rights and Internet governance
>
> > are self-motivated and able to work independently
>
> > have fundraising and resource mobilisation skills at a national level
>
> > have the capacity to build networks and to convene stakeholders from a
> variety of sectors
>
> Depending on their profile (freedom of expression / Internet
> governance), candidates must have a proven track-record in
>
> > human rights work (especially freedom of expression) at a national level
>
> > Internet governance and/or public policy, especially in national
> regulatory ICT processes
>
>
>           The Application
>
> Qualified applicants are requested to express their interest by filling
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From gurstein at gmail.com  Wed Jun 22 17:05:29 2016
From: gurstein at gmail.com (Michael Gurstein)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 14:05:29 -0700
Subject: [governance] [JNC - Forum] Report of the GCIG: The Great and
 the Good Do Internet Governance
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I just finished a quick read of the GCIG Report and ho, hum… Much much more of what we already have seen in multiple other reports re: the wonders of the Internet, the risks of child porn, the dangers lurking from cybersecurity issues etc.etc.

 

Certainly some sections are consistent with, even in some cases offering unattributed renditions of various JNC (and associated authors’) writings. (I’m truly delighted to see my “ <https://gurstein.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/in-defense-of-multistakeholder-processes/> In Defense of Multistakeholder Processes” blogpost evidently (of course it could be coincidence) providing the basis for the Report’s “new model” of MSism … i.e. “a new model that embraces greater involvement of those whose lives are affected by decisions that govern their ability to use the network and to exercise their fundamental rights online” although (surprise, surprise) they missed the part where I talked about how MSism could enhance democratic processes.

 

But the most interesting element of the report is what isn’t discussed.  Nowhere is there a discussion of the basic social justice critique which is the way in which the Internet is contributing to the astonishing increases in economic inequality both within countries and between countries, nowhere is there any real discussion of cyber-surveillance as per what we have learned from Snowden, nor any significant attempt to address issues of asymmetries of power (and powerlessness) in an increasingly concentrated Internet ecology of dominant platforms, and most importantly nowhere is there any real discussion about what should be done about creating institutions/mechanisms for global Internet Governance (but wasn’t that the point of exercise?) beyond sweet and fuzzy notions of a “social compact”… . 

 

That is, the Report skates over all of the areas where there is the possibility of real contention and ends up giving us much more of the same old same old although to be fair (non)operationalizing the JNC/community informatics notion of the “Internet as a public good” through a Social Compact is a novel approach.

 

In the end it isn’t clear to me what exactly was the point of the exercise.

 

M

 

From: Forum [mailto:forum-bounces at justnetcoalition.org] On Behalf Of parminder
Sent: June 22, 2016 6:20 AM
To: forum at justnetcoalition.org
Subject: Re: [JNC - Forum] Report of the GCIG

 


It is my view, that these are just clever status quoist devices. They will say, a new social compact is required. But even World Economic Forum mouths such platitudes.  But how will this social compact be made and internationalised, is what really matters. And they would say nothing about it it.  Would it continue to be done through making 'high level' report after report like this one, populated and controlled by Northern powers, will it be made by having OECD do specialised Internet policy work, but not letting UN do it (almost all of global IG today, including this report, is aimed to stop any such thing). 

I find any such report as basically dishonest and deliberately deluding that mentions all the right analytical points, that you quote, in a somewhat weakened manner from the normal neutral discourse, and then when it is time to say what is be done, leave things unclear. Speaking about new global social compacts, while actively pushing away globally democratic possibility (if you dont like the UN, come up with something else but which is democratic and treats everyone equally) and promoting non democratic forms like the OECD. See  how many times OECD's work is quoted in the report - which is devoted to making a global Internet order as per the interests of the dominant North, while at the global level, the recommendation is clearly for no specific institutions devoted to Internet policy work... How did they reach this conclusion? Why then does OECD have such a devoted body for Internet policy, whose work they actually quote and promote. Nothing could be as shamelessly hegemonic. No, we do not need their versions of social compact, and not even their weakened analyses, which present half-truths to build credibility and then end up just promoting the status quo..

parminder 

On Wednesday 22 June 2016 06:27 PM, Richard Hill wrote:

The Global Commission on Internet Governance has released its report, see:
 
  http://ourinternet.org/report  
 
Given that the chairman of the commission was Karl Bildt and that some of
the members are staunch proponents of the status quo, I was expecting that
the report would do little more that say that everything is fine.
 
But that is not the case. In many respects, the report is consistent with
the positions taken by the Just Net Coalition.
 
I reproduce below some portions that I found worth singling out.  There are
no page numbers in the report, so I could not include page references.
 
Best,
Richard
 
=======================
 
CORE ELEMENTS OF A SOCIAL COMPACT FOR A DIGITAL SOCIETY
 
There must be a mutual understanding between citizens and their state that
the state takes responsibility to keep its citizens safe and secure under
the law while, in turn, citizens agree to empower the authorities to carry
out that mission, under a clear, accessible legal framework that includes
sufficient safeguards and checks and balances against abuses. Business must
be assured that the state respects the confidentiality of its data and they
must, in turn, provide their customers the assurance that their data is not
misused. There is an urgent need to achieve consensus on a social compact
for the digital age in all countries. Just how urgent is shown by current
levels of concern over allegations of intrusive state-sponsored activities
ranging from weakening of encryption to large-scale criminal activity to
digital surveillance to misuse of personal data, and even to damaging cyber
attacks and disruption.
 
Governments should not create or require third parties to build back doors
or compromise encryption standards, as these efforts would weaken the
Internet and fundamentally undermine trust. Efforts by the technical
community to incorporate privacy-and-security-enhancing solutions into all
standards and protocols of the Internet should be encouraged.
 
The Commission urges member states of the United Nations to agree not to use
cyber technology to attack the core infrastructure of the Internet.
 
Governments seeking a peaceful and sustainable Internet should adopt and
respect norms that help to reduce the incentive for states to use cyber
weapons. Governments should agree on infrastructure assets and services that
must not be targeted by cyber attacks.  
 
Businesses should purchase cyber insurance to cover the liability costs of
breaches of their systems. Cyber liability insurance vendors can be
persuasive in promoting best practices in the corporate sector. Cyber
premiums should be higher if best practices are not followed. Insurers need
to have better data to appropriately identify and price cyber risk and to
develop appropriate products. Government regulations should require routine,
transparent reporting of technological problems to provide the data required
for a transparent market-based cyber-insurance industry.
 
There is a need to reverse the erosion of trust in the Internet brought
about by indiscriminate and non-transparent private practices such as the
collection, integration and analysis of vast amounts of private information
about individuals, companies and organizations. Private surveillance based
on "big data" is often conducted under the guise of a free service. ...
 
Users should not be excluded from the use of software or services that allow
them to participate in the information age, and they should be offered the
option of purchasing a service without having to agree to give the provider
access to their personal information. International rules are also required
to ensure that the holders of large repositories of data are transparent
about how they collect, use and share user-generated data.
 
Interception of communications, collection, analysis and use of data over
the Internet by law enforcement and government intelligence agencies should
be for purposes that are openly specified in advance, authorized by law
(including international human rights law) and consistent with the
principles of necessity and proportionality.
 
... governments should use competition as a tool to expand Internet access
facilities to the maximum extent possible, while investing to ensure
availability when market forces prove insufficient.
 
The disruption to traditional jobs and skill requirements can create
economic hardship and civil discontent. Rather than attempting to preserve
old jobs by stifling innovation, governments should help workers adapt to
the new economic reality via skills training and educational programs.
 
The Internet has indeed reached a crossroads. Choices need to be made - and
making no choice is itself a choice. It is all about who should have what
power to control the future of the Internet.
 
Our advice is based on the belief that only a normative approach can address
the myriad challenges facing Internet governance. We call on governments,
private corporations, civil society, the technical community and individuals
together to create a new social compact for the digital age.
 
There is a growing concern about the market power and data collection
capabilities and practices of the large Internet platform companies as well
as other private data intermediaries.
 
The failure to incorporate security as an essential design feature by
vendors and larger customers of the IoT raises concerns that its explosive
growth could result in the "weaponization of everything."
 
Legal thresholds for lawfully authorized access to communications data must
be redefined to ensure that the aggregated collection of metadata - such as
an individual's full browsing history - are treated with the same respect
for privacy as access to the actual content of a communication, and should
only be made under judicial authority. In all cases, the principles of
necessity and proportionality must be applied.
 
Governments should not compromise or require third parties to weaken or
compromise encryption standards, for example, through hidden "backdoors"
into the technology as such efforts would weaken the overall security of
digital data flows and transactions.
 
Individual users of paid or so-called "free services" provided on the
Internet should know about and have some choice over the full range of ways
in which their data will be deployed for commercial purposes. They should
not be excluded from the use of software or services customary for
participation in the information age, and should be offered the option of
purchasing the service without having to agree to give the provider access
to their personal information. Terms of use agreements should be written in
a clear and accessible manner and should not be subject to change without
the user's consent. Businesses should demonstrate accountability and provide
redress in the case of a security breach or a breach of contract.
 
To assure the public that their data is being appropriately protected,
states that do not already have comprehensive personal data protection
legislation and a privacy enforcement authority with legal enforcement
powers should take steps to create such regimes.
 
Governments should initiate efforts to develop international consensus on
norms about how to deal with cases where the goal of protecting data comes
into conflict with the requirements of law enforcement or security agencies
to investigate terrorist activity or attacks in an emergency situation. At a
minimum, any solutions should be derived through a multi-stakeholder
process, broadly agreed, and must be subject to legal oversight, governed by
principles of necessity, proportionality and avoidance of unintended
consequences.
 
Businesses should purchase cyber insurance to cover the liability costs of
successful breaches of their systems.
 
The market for cyber insurance is immature in comparison to the seriousness
of the threats, and the capital available to the industry is currently
inadequate to underwrite the full risk. Pricing the risk is difficult in the
absence of reliable time series data, making it difficult for insurers to
put a reliable figure on the likely losses from breaches.
 
More research is urgently needed to support greater accuracy when pricing
risk.
 
To assist the public to understand and practice the essentials of cyber
hygiene, governments should undertake significant campaigns to raise
awareness and develop the needed skills. Cyber-security awareness programs
should start early, for example, by incorporating cyber hygiene into primary
and secondary education curriculums.
 
Consistent with the recognition that parts of the Internet constitute a
global public good, the commission urges member states of the United Nations
to agree not to use cyber weapons against core infrastructure of the
Internet.
 
The disruptions resulting from the rapid spread of the sharing economy are
already being felt.
 
All levels of government (national, subnational, local), industry, civil
society and the technical community, need to be engaged on the new
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From raquino at gmail.com  Thu Jun 23 09:43:19 2016
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:43:19 +0000
Subject: [governance] Agenda for IGF Retreat
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Hi

FYI the agenda for IGF Retreat has been posted

http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat-2016-agenda

Session themes:
Setting the scene - the last 10 years and the next 10 years of IGF; will IGF be
relevant in 2025 and beyond
Ways to improve the overall preparatory process of the IGF, the nomination
process and make-up of the Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG), and ways to
strengthen the IGF support structures.

Measures to engage those stakeholders who are currently unengaged, with a view
to expand and diversify physical and virtual participation
Ways to better capture the outputs of the IGF and increasing their visibility
and impact
Ideas to support the work of national and regional IGF initiatives, and leverage
the synergies between them as well as synergies with the IGF

Modalities to ensure sustained funding to support the IGF and the IGF
Secretariat.[5]
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From nkurunziza1999 at yahoo.fr  Thu Jun 23 11:05:31 2016
From: nkurunziza1999 at yahoo.fr (Jean Paul NKURUNZIZA)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 15:05:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [governance] Agenda for IGF Retreat
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I find those themes very important. 

Thank you Renata for sharing.

Best

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             Hi
 
 FYI the agenda for IGF Retreat has been posted
 
 http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat-2016-agenda
 
 Session themes:
 Setting the scene - the last 10 years and the
 next 10 years of IGF; will IGF be relevant in 2025 and
 beyond 
 Ways to improve the overall preparatory process
 of the 
 IGF, the nomination process and make-up of the
 Multistakeholder Advisory
  Group (MAG), and ways to strengthen the IGF support
 structures.
 
 Measures to engage those stakeholders who are
 currently 
 unengaged, with a view to expand and diversify physical and
 virtual 
 participation 
 Ways to better capture the outputs of the IGF and
 increasing their visibility and impact
 Ideas to support the work of national and
 regional IGF 
 initiatives, and leverage the synergies between them as well
 as 
 synergies with the IGF
 
 Modalities to ensure sustained funding to support
 the IGF and the IGF Secretariat.[5] 
 
 
           
         
       
     
 
   
 
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From gurstein at gmail.com  Thu Jun 23 15:07:54 2016
From: gurstein at gmail.com (Michael Gurstein)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 12:07:54 -0700
Subject: [governance] [JNC - Forum] Report of the GCIG
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... "a knee jerk approach...

 

And recognizing Roberto's very wise comments...                    

 

I've now re-read the report, and reflected on my immediate and almost visceral reaction.

 

My first sense of the report was one of disappointment.  I'm not sure exactly what I might have been expecting but given the evident resources both financial and human that went into this I was left rather flat.  A lot of good and worthy things were said but they would have had rather more impact and value if they had been said 3 or 4 years ago when the JNC/folks constituting the JNC were making a very lonely and highly contentious fight to shift the perspective on Internet Governance from one celebrating a privatized, US centric neo-liberal status quo to one which recognized the Internet's emerging fundamental, global and public good character (and which moreover could have been readily discerned by anyone who cared to look with a dispassionate eye i.e. without ideological blinkers or some financially induced self-interest). Now many of these things have passed into a more or less received wisdom and while its always useful to have them repeated it doesn't have quite the impact that it might have otherwise had.

 

But of course, things such as this report/Commission function in bureaucratic time while everything on which it is commenting is functioning in Internet time (i.e. standard time x 6 (?)) or some such.  However, even on that basis and acknowledging the various good words in various areas I'm still disappointed.

 

Even long ago at the beginning of 2014 when the Commission was formally launched it was clear that the Internet was something more than "an ecosystem of technologies, protocols, hardware, software and content".  In fact it was visibly and at an incredible pace becoming the fundamental driver for global governance structuring, with the clear intent of the overwhelming forces of the Internet status quo, towards transforming global governance structures such as they are/were towards "multistakeholder" structures.  (I've written and documented this quite extensively on my blog.)  What this means is that a report/Commission with the (self?)importance of this one rather than dealing with Internet Governance needs to and should recognize that it is in fact dealing with the emerging structures and content of global governance and the multiple contending interests therein.

 

And it is on that basis that the report falls so regrettably short.  I note with interest and appreciation that my much maligned definition of desirable "multistakeholderism" as “decisions should be made as close to those impacted as possible” finds such strong resonance and echoing in the definition now embraced by the Commission.  But regrettably the Commission omitted the second part of my definition which was to see MSism as a contributory element to overall Internet (and global) democratic governance.

 

No one would deny the need to have techies involved in tech decisions for example, but how to ensure that global (Internet) governance remains "democratic" even in the face of the evident perception by many in the “Internet community” that Democracy is too much of hassle to worry about (or words to that effect from the US Ambassador at the UNESCO Connecting the Dots meeting where APC among others signed on to a report on Internet Governance which deliberately excluded any reference to democracy and democratic governance).

 

But that was then and this is now... And what the Report lacks is any clear idea (actually any idea at all) of how to get from here to there... How to implement any of the good and useful details of Internet governance that are introduced, how in the real world to move a "Social Compact" forward and overall how to ensure that the Internet that emerges, or rather the global governance system that emerges is not simply multistakeholderist but also democratic.  

 

And this absence at the core of the report leads directly to what I pointed to earlier i.e. the complete lack of any attempt to deal with the current issues of accelerating inequality, concentration of power in monopolized platforms, or the reality of state level surveillance and the risks it poses to democracy and democratic processes.  By failing to substantively address the how and what of Internet Governance mechanisms/the "Social Compact", by copping out in this, the central area that they are addressing, they do passively what all the other similar initiatives are doing actively which is to give a green light and effective moral support to those who are doing their best to maintain, promote and implant the neo-liberal status quo.  As the report itself says in somewhat similar words, doing nothing is actually doing something very significant and yes, by not giving any useful direction or critical perspective on global Internet governance this report and the attendant Commission is in fact doing something very significant which is to give tacit support to how the Internet is currently evolving and the allocation of rewards and power that that evolution is enabling.  

 

Surely after all of the Commissions, and conferences, and reports exhorting this and that one could expect that the great and good should at least identify how to do what they suggest needs to be done or if nothing else to indicate that it is an issue that needs urgently to be addressed.

 

(And apropos Robert’s comments… Yes, it is sometimes necessary/desirable to participate in order to curb the excesses but a continuous pattern of doing so indicates more the reality (and rewards) of cooptation and providing at little risk or broader benefit the desired veneer of unwarranted legitimization rather than having useful or effective influence.)

 

M

 

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Subject: Re: [JNC - Forum] Report of the GCIG

 

Responding to Richard's message not because I am not acknowledging Parminder and Michael's critiques but because I am not sure I can say anything helpful in response to them.

 

Thank you Richard. I am please you found some value in the report. I think there is quite a bit.. even the notion of core internet infrastructure being a global public good.

 

Some of us on the Commission, including myself, worked very hard to to shape in it in a way that can have value for those who want to change and challenge current approaches.

 

Members of the Commission were very different, different politics, backgrounds, objectives. The report is a consensus document, but it does also reflect these differences and tries to honour them.

 

There are some recommendations which actually diverge quite dramatically from current 'multistakeholder' wisdom and there is also criticism of current approaches.

 

So thank you Richard for not having a knee jerk approach.

 

Anriette

 

On 22/06/2016 14:57, Richard Hill wrote:

> The Global Commission on Internet Governance has released its report, see:

> 

>    <http://ourinternet.org/report> http://ourinternet.org/report

> 

> Given that the chairman of the commission was Karl Bildt and that some 

> of the members are staunch proponents of the status quo, I was 

> expecting that the report would do little more that say that everything is fine.

> 

> But that is not the case. In many respects, the report is consistent 

> with the positions taken by the Just Net Coalition.

> 

> I reproduce below some portions that I found worth singling out.  

> There are no page numbers in the report, so I could not include page references.

> 

> Best,

> Richard

> 

> =======================

>  

> CORE ELEMENTS OF A SOCIAL COMPACT FOR A DIGITAL SOCIETY

> 

> There must be a mutual understanding between citizens and their state 

> that the state takes responsibility to keep its citizens safe and 

> secure under the law while, in turn, citizens agree to empower the 

> authorities to carry out that mission, under a clear, accessible legal 

> framework that includes sufficient safeguards and checks and balances 

> against abuses. Business must be assured that the state respects the 

> confidentiality of its data and they must, in turn, provide their 

> customers the assurance that their data is not misused. There is an 

> urgent need to achieve consensus on a social compact for the digital 

> age in all countries. Just how urgent is shown by current levels of 

> concern over allegations of intrusive state-sponsored activities 

> ranging from weakening of encryption to large-scale criminal activity 

> to digital surveillance to misuse of personal data, and even to damaging cyber attacks and disruption.

> 

> Governments should not create or require third parties to build back 

> doors or compromise encryption standards, as these efforts would 

> weaken the Internet and fundamentally undermine trust. Efforts by the 

> technical community to incorporate privacy-and-security-enhancing 

> solutions into all standards and protocols of the Internet should be encouraged.

> 

> The Commission urges member states of the United Nations to agree not 

> to use cyber technology to attack the core infrastructure of the Internet.

> 

> Governments seeking a peaceful and sustainable Internet should adopt 

> and respect norms that help to reduce the incentive for states to use 

> cyber weapons. Governments should agree on infrastructure assets and 

> services that must not be targeted by cyber attacks.

> 

> Businesses should purchase cyber insurance to cover the liability 

> costs of breaches of their systems. Cyber liability insurance vendors 

> can be persuasive in promoting best practices in the corporate sector. 

> Cyber premiums should be higher if best practices are not followed. 

> Insurers need to have better data to appropriately identify and price 

> cyber risk and to develop appropriate products. Government regulations 

> should require routine, transparent reporting of technological 

> problems to provide the data required for a transparent market-based cyber-insurance industry.

> 

> There is a need to reverse the erosion of trust in the Internet 

> brought about by indiscriminate and non-transparent private practices 

> such as the collection, integration and analysis of vast amounts of 

> private information about individuals, companies and organizations. 

> Private surveillance based on "big data" is often conducted under the guise of a free service. ...

> 

> Users should not be excluded from the use of software or services that 

> allow them to participate in the information age, and they should be 

> offered the option of purchasing a service without having to agree to 

> give the provider access to their personal information. International 

> rules are also required to ensure that the holders of large 

> repositories of data are transparent about how they collect, use and share user-generated data.

> 

> Interception of communications, collection, analysis and use of data 

> over the Internet by law enforcement and government intelligence 

> agencies should be for purposes that are openly specified in advance, 

> authorized by law (including international human rights law) and 

> consistent with the principles of necessity and proportionality.

> 

> ... governments should use competition as a tool to expand Internet 

> access facilities to the maximum extent possible, while investing to 

> ensure availability when market forces prove insufficient.

> 

> The disruption to traditional jobs and skill requirements can create 

> economic hardship and civil discontent. Rather than attempting to 

> preserve old jobs by stifling innovation, governments should help 

> workers adapt to the new economic reality via skills training and educational programs.

> 

> The Internet has indeed reached a crossroads. Choices need to be made 

> - and making no choice is itself a choice. It is all about who should 

> have what power to control the future of the Internet.

> 

> Our advice is based on the belief that only a normative approach can 

> address the myriad challenges facing Internet governance. We call on 

> governments, private corporations, civil society, the technical 

> community and individuals together to create a new social compact for the digital age.

> 

> There is a growing concern about the market power and data collection 

> capabilities and practices of the large Internet platform companies as 

> well as other private data intermediaries.

> 

> The failure to incorporate security as an essential design feature by 

> vendors and larger customers of the IoT raises concerns that its 

> explosive growth could result in the "weaponization of everything."

> 

> Legal thresholds for lawfully authorized access to communications data 

> must be redefined to ensure that the aggregated collection of metadata 

> - such as an individual's full browsing history - are treated with the 

> same respect for privacy as access to the actual content of a 

> communication, and should only be made under judicial authority. In 

> all cases, the principles of necessity and proportionality must be applied.

> 

> Governments should not compromise or require third parties to weaken 

> or compromise encryption standards, for example, through hidden "backdoors"

> into the technology as such efforts would weaken the overall security 

> of digital data flows and transactions.

> 

> Individual users of paid or so-called "free services" provided on the 

> Internet should know about and have some choice over the full range of 

> ways in which their data will be deployed for commercial purposes. 

> They should not be excluded from the use of software or services 

> customary for participation in the information age, and should be 

> offered the option of purchasing the service without having to agree 

> to give the provider access to their personal information. Terms of 

> use agreements should be written in a clear and accessible manner and 

> should not be subject to change without the user's consent. Businesses 

> should demonstrate accountability and provide redress in the case of a security breach or a breach of contract.

> 

> To assure the public that their data is being appropriately protected, 

> states that do not already have comprehensive personal data protection 

> legislation and a privacy enforcement authority with legal enforcement 

> powers should take steps to create such regimes.

> 

> Governments should initiate efforts to develop international consensus 

> on norms about how to deal with cases where the goal of protecting 

> data comes into conflict with the requirements of law enforcement or 

> security agencies to investigate terrorist activity or attacks in an 

> emergency situation. At a minimum, any solutions should be derived 

> through a multi-stakeholder process, broadly agreed, and must be 

> subject to legal oversight, governed by principles of necessity, 

> proportionality and avoidance of unintended consequences.

> 

> Businesses should purchase cyber insurance to cover the liability 

> costs of successful breaches of their systems.

> 

> The market for cyber insurance is immature in comparison to the 

> seriousness of the threats, and the capital available to the industry 

> is currently inadequate to underwrite the full risk. Pricing the risk 

> is difficult in the absence of reliable time series data, making it 

> difficult for insurers to put a reliable figure on the likely losses from breaches.

> 

> More research is urgently needed to support greater accuracy when 

> pricing risk.

> 

> To assist the public to understand and practice the essentials of 

> cyber hygiene, governments should undertake significant campaigns to 

> raise awareness and develop the needed skills. Cyber-security 

> awareness programs should start early, for example, by incorporating 

> cyber hygiene into primary and secondary education curriculums.

> 

> Consistent with the recognition that parts of the Internet constitute 

> a global public good, the commission urges member states of the United 

> Nations to agree not to use cyber weapons against core infrastructure 

> of the Internet.

> 

> The disruptions resulting from the rapid spread of the sharing economy 

> are already being felt.

> 

> All levels of government (national, subnational, local), industry, 

> civil society and the technical community, need to be engaged on the 

> new regulatory challenges posed by the sharing economy.

> 

> 

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From compsoftnet at gmail.com  Thu Jun 23 17:08:00 2016
From: compsoftnet at gmail.com (Akinremi Peter Taiwo)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 22:08:00 +0100
Subject: [governance] Agenda for IGF Retreat
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Thanks for sharing Renata. It's seem good.

Peter
On Jun 23, 2016 2:43 PM, "Renata Aquino Ribeiro" <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> FYI the agenda for IGF Retreat has been posted
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat-2016-agenda
>
> Session themes:
>
> Setting the scene - the last 10 years and the next 10 years of IGF; will
> IGF be relevant in 2025 and beyond
>
> Ways to improve the overall preparatory process of the IGF, the nomination
> process and make-up of the Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG), and ways
> to strengthen the IGF support structures.
>
> Measures to engage those stakeholders who are currently unengaged, with a
> view to expand and diversify physical and virtual participation
>
> Ways to better capture the outputs of the IGF and increasing their
> visibility and impact
>
> Ideas to support the work of national and regional IGF initiatives, and
> leverage the synergies between them as well as synergies with the IGF
>
> Modalities to ensure sustained funding to support the IGF and the IGF
> Secretariat.[5]
>
>
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From mariliamaciel at gmail.com  Fri Jun 24 02:52:09 2016
From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 08:52:09 +0200
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat
 Participants
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Dear all,

I would like to go back to the point on remote participation. First of all,
if there is one remote participant listed, the infrastructure to enable
remote participation is obviously in place. It is just a matter of opening
and scaling it to allow others to connect. Secondly, the issue of allowing
or not remote participation in meetings of limited membership has been
extensively debated in CSTD WGs. It was a very important step to see the
meetings of the WGEC being open to observers, both physically and remotely
through WebEx.

It seems inconceivable to me that we take such a significant step backwards
in terms of transparency and that we give up the openness that others
before us worked so hard to achieve. Transparency and accountability are
pillars that all organisations and bodies should abide by. It should not
matter if the meeting is being held by IGF, CSTD or DESA. I hope that our
civil society representatives in MAG will be able to influence a final
decision. A joint letter could also be helpful at this moment.

All the best wishes,
Marilia

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:57 AM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi
>
> Thanks for mentioning gender balance and sending in these numbers.
> It is great to know the CSCG had an eye for this and sent a message about
> the disparity of male/female participation.
>
> I`d like just to clarify that my comments about being worried about the
> process converge with a general ask for greater clarity and participation
> on the debate about the next 10 years of the IGF. All that is being
> discussed just reaffirms that the majority of civil society wants to
> participate on this debate, considering or not its start on retreat.
>
> My congratulations to Sala and Nnenna have been expressed in other
> discussion spaces, as well as to all CS representatives. If not, here they
> go again.
>
> On the spirit of moving forward, CS groups have much more to plan in
> relation to perspectives on internet governance. We all hope to have some
> news to share on this soon.
>
> Best,
>
> Renata
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 6:47 PM, Ian Peter ian.peter at ianpeter.com wrote:
>
>> If I may just touch on three things mentioned here:
>>
>> Firstly, submissions to the IGF Retreat close June 30. Is anyone planning
>> a submission? It’s one way to get things on the agenda. CSCG is doing a
>> submission, but in line with its brief it will only talk about cleaning up
>> the MAG nomination processes. ( we will make it public when it is
>> finalised). But I would encourage other submissions, that is one way to get
>> matters of concern on the table. I think the chance of a whole of civil
>> society submission is remote with only a week to go, so groups perhaps
>> should take the opportunity to submit individually.
>>
>> Secondly, one of the things the CSCG submission will raise is gender
>> balance. A point we will be making is that the continual habit of adjusting
>> civil society participation to give the appearance of better gender balance
>> overall does not solve the problem of sexual discrimination, and all
>> stakeholders need to be required to look more carefully at gender balance
>> within their own selections.  As an example, looking at the overall balance
>> among stakeholders for this meeting you get something like
>>
>> Civil Society 5 – 1 male 4 female
>> Private Sector 5 – 3 male 2 female
>> Tech Community 5 – 4 male 1 female
>> Government and intergovernental 26 – 23 male, 3 female
>> Overall – 31 male, 10 female
>>
>> (havent double checked my figures but they wont alter much from that)
>> Clearly relying on civil society to provide better gender balance is doing
>> nothing to solve the underlying problem.
>>
>> And thirdly – just to clarify CSCG endorsements in this process. There
>> was never any dispute about Lea Kaspar, Stuart Hamilton and Anriette
>> Esterhuysen attending, as the direct nominees of CS MAG and CSCG
>> respectively. However, after some protests from our side about the process,
>> UNDESA did eventually ask us to endorse the nominations of Sala and Nnenna
>> – neither of whom in the messy and duplicative process they adopted were
>> among the names originally considered by CSCG. These names were suggested
>> by UNDESA to improve overall geographic and gender balance. The CSCG Nomcom
>> did decide to endorse both Sala and Nnenna in the circumstances. Both are
>> of course excellent civil society representatives, and it should be clear
>> that CSCG is supportive of all the civil society attendees at the retreat –
>> if genuinely concerned about the messy way the process was conducted.
>>
>> Ian Peter
>>
>>
>> *From:* Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 3:54 AM
>> *To:* williams.deirdre at gmail.com
>> *Cc:* James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net> ; Nnenna Nwakanma
>> <nnenna75 at gmail.com> ; Lea Kaspar <lea at gp-digital.org> ; Matthew Shears
>> <mshears at cdt.org> ; Best Bits <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> ; Internet
>> Governance <governance at lists.igcaucus.org> ; JNC Forum
>> <forum at justnetcoalition.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [governance] [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat
>> Participants
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> (Apologies I have no idea if my msg gets out to JNC, pls fwd if
>> appropriate)
>>
>> I'm not sure if being loud or making noise has done the best it could so
>> far.
>> I agree we should agree, as CS, on some topics but I also see the
>> challenge on that, being CS (fortunately) a diverse group.
>>
>> The topic of remote participation, for instance, has had some news in
>> this last call, as Lea has expressed.
>> The twitter like updates remain.
>> The streaming - even if partial - seems to be an idea which has been
>> dropped for the moment.
>>
>> As for the balance in SG representation on the retreat, from the list one
>> can easily see that CS numbers are low. Even more worrying, CSCG nominees
>> number are even lower. That when compared, for instance, with the numbers
>> of gov and intergov.
>>
>> I was reminded that even though CS is participating on retreat, each one
>> of its participants is there on their own personal capacity, not those of
>> their organization.
>>
>> So, while this makes it clearer fo the CS rep to express their thoughts,
>> also takes us back to the original question: what, if any, does CS as a
>> group have to do with the next 10 years of the IGF and how should it go
>> about it?
>>
>> Just a quick addition: I find twitter updates way more able to
>> interpretation and polemic than streaming of a meeting, so I do not
>> understand very well the choice there. What isn`t spoken has much more
>> power than what is out there in the open.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Renata
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 1:42 PM, Deirdre Williams williams.deirdre at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> Particularly in the cause of transparency and inclusion this discussion
>> should be happening as widely as possibly among civil society. With
>> apologies I have therefore copied to IGC and JNC. Perhaps others can spread
>> the word further to as much of "global civil society" as possible, since
>> all of us speaking together would have a VERY loud voice that would demand
>> attention.
>> Best wishes
>> Deirdre
>>
>> On 21 June 2016 at 12:27, James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net> wrote:
>>
>> Just my 2c but I don’t think it should really be a negotiation, I know I
>> may be naïve in certain aspects of the IGF working methods but open and
>> transparent was always told to me to be a core concept. I don’t think we
>> should be compromising those ideals at this critical juncture. Without that
>> what do we really have to move forward with.
>>
>> -jg
>>
>> From: <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Nnenna Nwakanma
>> <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
>> Date: Tuesday 21 June 2016 at 17:20
>> To: Lea Kaspar <lea at gp-digital.org>
>> Cc: Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org>, Best Bits <
>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
>> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat Participants
>>
>> Thanks, Lea
>>
>> I think it is important that CS folks organisee CS remote participation.
>> That is, if the IGF secretariat is okay with it.
>>
>> Just thinking loud
>>
>> Nnenna
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Lea Kaspar <lea at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just got off the MAG call. Remote participation for the Retreat still not
>> sorted out. From what I understood, we can expect live tweeting under
>> Chatham house rules, but that could be it. Others on the call can
>> corroborate -
>>
>> Best,
>> Lea
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org> wrote:
>>
>> Great point Ayden.  I would hope that those who have been invited to
>> participate will continue to be push hard for remote participation.
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>> On 6/20/2016 11:41 AM, Ayden Fabien Férdeline wrote:
>>
>> Dear Lea,
>>
>> Thank you for sharing this. I note that Nitin Desai will be participating
>> in the Retreat remotely. I wonder if this mean that remote participation
>> will be available to all to observe the dialogue exchanged?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Lea Kaspar <lea at gp-digital.org> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> In case of interest, the IGF Secretariat has just published the full list
>> of participants to the July Retreat. See Chengetai's email below.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> *Lea Kaspar*
>>
>> Head of Programmes | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
>>
>> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
>>
>> T: +44 (0)20 3818 3258 | M: +44 (0)7583 929216
>>
>> gp-digital.org
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *Chengetai Masango* <cmasango at unog.ch>
>> Date: Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:10 PM
>> Subject: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat Participants
>> To: MAG-public <igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>
>>
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>>
>>
>> The list of IGF Retreat participants has been published at:
>> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat-participants-list
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Chengetai
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From nb at bollow.ch  Fri Jun 24 06:37:14 2016
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 12:37:14 +0200
Subject: [governance] [JNC - Forum] [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF
 Retreat Participants
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Message-ID: <20160624123714.4c3a9f7d@quill>

I am not convinced that "if there is one remote participant listed, the
infrastructure to enable remote participation is obviously in place" --
after all, there is the possibility of inconsistency between what the
list of participants says and what the actual technical realities may
be. Such inconsistency could for example arise if Nitin Desai has
communicated that he will participate remotely if possible, and the UN
wanted to go ahead with publishing the list of participants but they
don't know yet whether they will succeed in setting up the
infrastructure to enable remote participation.

I do however agree that it is justified at this point to ask pointed
questions about remote participation, and I would support a joint
letter which does that.

Greetings,
Norbert


On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 08:52:09 +0200
Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> I would like to go back to the point on remote participation. First
> of all, if there is one remote participant listed, the infrastructure
> to enable remote participation is obviously in place. It is just a
> matter of opening and scaling it to allow others to connect.
> Secondly, the issue of allowing or not remote participation in
> meetings of limited membership has been extensively debated in CSTD
> WGs. It was a very important step to see the meetings of the WGEC
> being open to observers, both physically and remotely through WebEx.
> 
> It seems inconceivable to me that we take such a significant step
> backwards in terms of transparency and that we give up the openness
> that others before us worked so hard to achieve. Transparency and
> accountability are pillars that all organisations and bodies should
> abide by. It should not matter if the meeting is being held by IGF,
> CSTD or DESA. I hope that our civil society representatives in MAG
> will be able to influence a final decision. A joint letter could also
> be helpful at this moment.
> 
> All the best wishes,
> Marilia
> 
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:57 AM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
> <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi
> >
> > Thanks for mentioning gender balance and sending in these numbers.
> > It is great to know the CSCG had an eye for this and sent a message
> > about the disparity of male/female participation.
> >
> > I`d like just to clarify that my comments about being worried about
> > the process converge with a general ask for greater clarity and
> > participation on the debate about the next 10 years of the IGF. All
> > that is being discussed just reaffirms that the majority of civil
> > society wants to participate on this debate, considering or not its
> > start on retreat.
> >
> > My congratulations to Sala and Nnenna have been expressed in other
> > discussion spaces, as well as to all CS representatives. If not,
> > here they go again.
> >
> > On the spirit of moving forward, CS groups have much more to plan in
> > relation to perspectives on internet governance. We all hope to
> > have some news to share on this soon.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Renata
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 6:47 PM, Ian Peter ian.peter at ianpeter.com
> > wrote:
> >
> >> If I may just touch on three things mentioned here:
> >>
> >> Firstly, submissions to the IGF Retreat close June 30. Is anyone
> >> planning a submission? It’s one way to get things on the agenda.
> >> CSCG is doing a submission, but in line with its brief it will
> >> only talk about cleaning up the MAG nomination processes. ( we
> >> will make it public when it is finalised). But I would encourage
> >> other submissions, that is one way to get matters of concern on
> >> the table. I think the chance of a whole of civil society
> >> submission is remote with only a week to go, so groups perhaps
> >> should take the opportunity to submit individually.
> >>
> >> Secondly, one of the things the CSCG submission will raise is
> >> gender balance. A point we will be making is that the continual
> >> habit of adjusting civil society participation to give the
> >> appearance of better gender balance overall does not solve the
> >> problem of sexual discrimination, and all stakeholders need to be
> >> required to look more carefully at gender balance within their own
> >> selections.  As an example, looking at the overall balance among
> >> stakeholders for this meeting you get something like
> >>
> >> Civil Society 5 – 1 male 4 female
> >> Private Sector 5 – 3 male 2 female
> >> Tech Community 5 – 4 male 1 female
> >> Government and intergovernental 26 – 23 male, 3 female
> >> Overall – 31 male, 10 female
> >>
> >> (havent double checked my figures but they wont alter much from
> >> that) Clearly relying on civil society to provide better gender
> >> balance is doing nothing to solve the underlying problem.
> >>
> >> And thirdly – just to clarify CSCG endorsements in this process.
> >> There was never any dispute about Lea Kaspar, Stuart Hamilton and
> >> Anriette Esterhuysen attending, as the direct nominees of CS MAG
> >> and CSCG respectively. However, after some protests from our side
> >> about the process, UNDESA did eventually ask us to endorse the
> >> nominations of Sala and Nnenna – neither of whom in the messy and
> >> duplicative process they adopted were among the names originally
> >> considered by CSCG. These names were suggested by UNDESA to
> >> improve overall geographic and gender balance. The CSCG Nomcom did
> >> decide to endorse both Sala and Nnenna in the circumstances. Both
> >> are of course excellent civil society representatives, and it
> >> should be clear that CSCG is supportive of all the civil society
> >> attendees at the retreat – if genuinely concerned about the messy
> >> way the process was conducted.
> >>
> >> Ian Peter
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 3:54 AM
> >> *To:* williams.deirdre at gmail.com
> >> *Cc:* James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net> ; Nnenna Nwakanma
> >> <nnenna75 at gmail.com> ; Lea Kaspar <lea at gp-digital.org> ; Matthew
> >> Shears <mshears at cdt.org> ; Best Bits
> >> <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> ; Internet Governance
> >> <governance at lists.igcaucus.org> ; JNC Forum
> >> <forum at justnetcoalition.org> *Subject:* Re: [governance]
> >> [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat Participants
> >>
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> (Apologies I have no idea if my msg gets out to JNC, pls fwd if
> >> appropriate)
> >>
> >> I'm not sure if being loud or making noise has done the best it
> >> could so far.
> >> I agree we should agree, as CS, on some topics but I also see the
> >> challenge on that, being CS (fortunately) a diverse group.
> >>
> >> The topic of remote participation, for instance, has had some news
> >> in this last call, as Lea has expressed.
> >> The twitter like updates remain.
> >> The streaming - even if partial - seems to be an idea which has
> >> been dropped for the moment.
> >>
> >> As for the balance in SG representation on the retreat, from the
> >> list one can easily see that CS numbers are low. Even more
> >> worrying, CSCG nominees number are even lower. That when compared,
> >> for instance, with the numbers of gov and intergov.
> >>
> >> I was reminded that even though CS is participating on retreat,
> >> each one of its participants is there on their own personal
> >> capacity, not those of their organization.
> >>
> >> So, while this makes it clearer fo the CS rep to express their
> >> thoughts, also takes us back to the original question: what, if
> >> any, does CS as a group have to do with the next 10 years of the
> >> IGF and how should it go about it?
> >>
> >> Just a quick addition: I find twitter updates way more able to
> >> interpretation and polemic than streaming of a meeting, so I do not
> >> understand very well the choice there. What isn`t spoken has much
> >> more power than what is out there in the open.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Renata
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 1:42 PM, Deirdre Williams
> >> williams.deirdre at gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Particularly in the cause of transparency and inclusion this
> >> discussion should be happening as widely as possibly among civil
> >> society. With apologies I have therefore copied to IGC and JNC.
> >> Perhaps others can spread the word further to as much of "global
> >> civil society" as possible, since all of us speaking together
> >> would have a VERY loud voice that would demand attention.
> >> Best wishes
> >> Deirdre
> >>
> >> On 21 June 2016 at 12:27, James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Just my 2c but I don’t think it should really be a negotiation, I
> >> know I may be naïve in certain aspects of the IGF working methods
> >> but open and transparent was always told to me to be a core
> >> concept. I don’t think we should be compromising those ideals at
> >> this critical juncture. Without that what do we really have to
> >> move forward with.
> >>
> >> -jg
> >>
> >> From: <bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net> on behalf of Nnenna
> >> Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
> >> Reply-To: Nnenna Nwakanma <nnenna75 at gmail.com>
> >> Date: Tuesday 21 June 2016 at 17:20
> >> To: Lea Kaspar <lea at gp-digital.org>
> >> Cc: Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org>, Best Bits <
> >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat Participants
> >>
> >> Thanks, Lea
> >>
> >> I think it is important that CS folks organisee CS remote
> >> participation. That is, if the IGF secretariat is okay with it.
> >>
> >> Just thinking loud
> >>
> >> Nnenna
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Lea Kaspar <lea at gp-digital.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Just got off the MAG call. Remote participation for the Retreat
> >> still not sorted out. From what I understood, we can expect live
> >> tweeting under Chatham house rules, but that could be it. Others
> >> on the call can corroborate -
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Lea
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Great point Ayden.  I would hope that those who have been invited
> >> to participate will continue to be push hard for remote
> >> participation.
> >>
> >> Matthew
> >>
> >> On 6/20/2016 11:41 AM, Ayden Fabien Férdeline wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Lea,
> >>
> >> Thank you for sharing this. I note that Nitin Desai will be
> >> participating in the Retreat remotely. I wonder if this mean that
> >> remote participation will be available to all to observe the
> >> dialogue exchanged?
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Ayden Férdeline
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Lea Kaspar <lea at gp-digital.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> In case of interest, the IGF Secretariat has just published the
> >> full list of participants to the July Retreat. See Chengetai's
> >> email below.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >>
> >> *Lea Kaspar*
> >>
> >> Head of Programmes | GLOBAL PARTNERS DIGITAL
> >>
> >> Second Home, 68-80 Hanbury Street, London, E1 5JL
> >>
> >> T: +44 (0)20 3818 3258 | M: +44 (0)7583 929216
> >>
> >> gp-digital.org
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: *Chengetai Masango* <cmasango at unog.ch>
> >> Date: Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:10 PM
> >> Subject: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat Participants
> >> To: MAG-public <igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear All,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The list of IGF Retreat participants has been published at:
> >> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf-retreat-participants-list
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Chengetai



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From raquino at gmail.com  Fri Jun 24 07:08:57 2016
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 11:08:57 +0000
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] [JNC - Forum] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF
 Retreat Participants
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Message-ID: <1466766537490-94f5769d-04795f44-2af995cd@mixmax.com>

Dear all
On May 26, I drafted this letter asking for remote participation and shared with
MAG CS As retreat nomination period followed, some MAG CS made this ask to Secretariat
directly
Perhaps it is time to revisit the idea 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M3L90bHNv1QzCboqadwd13Qwcxyd2hv5VamBeAUghL8/edit?usp=sharing
Best,
Renata
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From ca at cafonso.ca  Fri Jun 24 13:34:09 2016
From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos Afonso)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 14:34:09 -0300
Subject: [governance] LETTER IN SUPPORT OF THE ATTRIBUTIONS AND
 MULTISTAKEHOLDER NATURE OF CGI.BR
Message-ID: <576D6F11.2060902@cafonso.ca>

[sorry for possible duplicates]

Note: given the recent transition in the Brazilian federal government
and the political uncertainties involved, a group of civil society and
academic organizations has produced this public declaration in defense
of the multistakeholder nature of CGI.br and its attributions.

LETTER IN SUPPORT OF THE ATTRIBUTIONS AND MULTISTAKEHOLDER NATURE OF CGI.BR

24-6-2016

The Internet Steering Committe of Brazil, CGI.br, a multistakeholder
commission, has a crucial mission in the development of the Internet in
Brazil. In particular, CGI.br supervises the actions of NIC.br - a
non-profit private civil society organizationm in charge of carrying out
the management of all activities derived from policies defined by the
Committee. Decree Number 4829, of September, 2003, describes
attributions of CGI.br, which include:

- proposing policies and procedures regarding the regulation of Internet
activities;

- recommending standards for technical and operational procedures for
the Internet in Brazil;

- establishing strategic directives related to the use and development
of the Internet in Brazil;

- promoting studies and technical standards for network and service
security in the country;

- coordinating the allocation of Internet addresses (IPs) in Brazil and
registration in the ".br" domain;

- collecting, organizing and disseminating information on Internet
services, including indicators and statistics;

- be represented in national and international technical forums related
to the Internet;

- to adopt administrative and operational procedures so that Internet
governance in Brazil follows internationally accepted standards,
enabling it to celebrate agreements and partnerships.

These activities, fully funded by private income derived from
distribution of domain names and IP numbers, are essential for the
operation and development of the Internet in Brazil. These attributions
are being carried out in a multistakeholder approach, with participation
of civil society, academia, technical community, private sector and
government.

This pluralist feature has been the basis for the charter of principles
which is at the origin of the Brazilian Civil Rights Framework for the
Internet ("Marco Civil da Internet"). The success of this pluralist
practice has turned CGI.br into a worldwide reference on Internet
governance, considering that since its creation in 1995, and even in the
preparation of the Decree of 2003, any change in its structure and
operation has been preceded by broad consultations with society,
including significant participation of civil society and academic
organizations.

In order to protect the stability, security and quality of the work
which has been and continues to be carried out and developed by the
Committee, the undersigned organizations affirm the centrality of CGI.br
to develop activities absolutely vital for the Internet of today and
tomorrow in the country, stressing the importance of preserving the
above attributions, as well as the pluralist, multissectorial nature of
CGI.br.

Actantes
Artigo 19
Barão de Itararé
Coding Rights
Colab-USP
Coletivo Digital
CTS-FGV
GPoPAI/USP
Ibase
Ibidem
InternetLab
Instituto Bem Estar Brasil
Intervozes
ITSRio
Lavits
Medialab.UFRJ
Nupef
ProTeste
Safernet Brasil
ULEPICC-BR

-- 

Carlos A. Afonso
[emails são pessoais exceto quando explicitamente indicado em contrário]
[emails are personal unless explicitly indicated otherwise]

Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br
CGI.br - http://cgi.br
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From raquino at gmail.com  Fri Jun 24 15:15:51 2016
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 16:15:51 -0300
Subject: [governance] [Internet Policy] LETTER IN SUPPORT OF THE
 ATTRIBUTIONS AND MULTISTAKEHOLDER NATURE OF CGI.BR
In-Reply-To: <576D6F11.2060902@cafonso.ca>
References: <576D6F11.2060902@cafonso.ca>
Message-ID: <CAMokdMx+szuHrwowW=Q+G7kj-VUq5BOXrgThbhR8HSbhJ4GxTA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

As a grateful former student of EGI.br, I'd support Carlos' ask for
international organizations to sign this letter.

Renata Aquino Ribeiro
http://bit.ly/renataineng
Em 24 de jun de 2016 14:34, "Carlos Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca> escreveu:

> [sorry for possible duplicates]
>
> Note: given the recent transition in the Brazilian federal government
> and the political uncertainties involved, a group of civil society and
> academic organizations has produced this public declaration in defense
> of the multistakeholder nature of CGI.br and its attributions.
>
> LETTER IN SUPPORT OF THE ATTRIBUTIONS AND MULTISTAKEHOLDER NATURE OF
> CGI.BR
>
> 24-6-2016
>
> The Internet Steering Committe of Brazil, CGI.br, a multistakeholder
> commission, has a crucial mission in the development of the Internet in
> Brazil. In particular, CGI.br supervises the actions of NIC.br - a
> non-profit private civil society organizationm in charge of carrying out
> the management of all activities derived from policies defined by the
> Committee. Decree Number 4829, of September, 2003, describes
> attributions of CGI.br, which include:
>
> - proposing policies and procedures regarding the regulation of Internet
> activities;
>
> - recommending standards for technical and operational procedures for
> the Internet in Brazil;
>
> - establishing strategic directives related to the use and development
> of the Internet in Brazil;
>
> - promoting studies and technical standards for network and service
> security in the country;
>
> - coordinating the allocation of Internet addresses (IPs) in Brazil and
> registration in the ".br" domain;
>
> - collecting, organizing and disseminating information on Internet
> services, including indicators and statistics;
>
> - be represented in national and international technical forums related
> to the Internet;
>
> - to adopt administrative and operational procedures so that Internet
> governance in Brazil follows internationally accepted standards,
> enabling it to celebrate agreements and partnerships.
>
> These activities, fully funded by private income derived from
> distribution of domain names and IP numbers, are essential for the
> operation and development of the Internet in Brazil. These attributions
> are being carried out in a multistakeholder approach, with participation
> of civil society, academia, technical community, private sector and
> government.
>
> This pluralist feature has been the basis for the charter of principles
> which is at the origin of the Brazilian Civil Rights Framework for the
> Internet ("Marco Civil da Internet"). The success of this pluralist
> practice has turned CGI.br into a worldwide reference on Internet
> governance, considering that since its creation in 1995, and even in the
> preparation of the Decree of 2003, any change in its structure and
> operation has been preceded by broad consultations with society,
> including significant participation of civil society and academic
> organizations.
>
> In order to protect the stability, security and quality of the work
> which has been and continues to be carried out and developed by the
> Committee, the undersigned organizations affirm the centrality of CGI.br
> to develop activities absolutely vital for the Internet of today and
> tomorrow in the country, stressing the importance of preserving the
> above attributions, as well as the pluralist, multissectorial nature of
> CGI.br.
>
> Actantes
> Artigo 19
> Barão de Itararé
> Coding Rights
> Colab-USP
> Coletivo Digital
> CTS-FGV
> GPoPAI/USP
> Ibase
> Ibidem
> InternetLab
> Instituto Bem Estar Brasil
> Intervozes
> ITSRio
> Lavits
> Medialab.UFRJ
> Nupef
> ProTeste
> Safernet Brasil
> ULEPICC-BR
>
> --
>
> Carlos A. Afonso
> [emails são pessoais exceto quando explicitamente indicado em contrário]
> [emails are personal unless explicitly indicated otherwise]
>
> Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br
> CGI.br - http://cgi.br
> ISOC-BR - https://isoc.org.br
>
> GPG 0x9EE8F8E3
>
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From bachar at igf.td  Fri Jun 24 18:45:02 2016
From: bachar at igf.td (Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 23:45:02 +0100
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] [JNC - Forum] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF
 Retreat Participants
In-Reply-To: <1466766537490-94f5769d-04795f44-2af995cd@mixmax.com>
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 <20160624123714.4c3a9f7d@quill>
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Message-ID: <baebe829-85d2-4d7a-acc9-43ccf36f6598@igf.td>

Hello Renata
I Fully agree with You ; So during our last meeting Of NRI with IGF SECREATARIAT i recommande to have a remote participation ;
Thanks

Cordialement ---------------------------- Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong
Le Secrétaire Exécutif
Forum sur la Gouvernance de l'Internet au Tchad (FGI Tchad) ------ ----------------------------
The Executive Secretary
Internet Governance Forum (IGF Chad)
E-mail1: Bachar at igf.td E-mail2: info at igf.td Website: www.igf.td Twitter :IGFCHAD


On ven., juin 24, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all                                                                                                                                                                           
On May 26, I drafted this letter asking for remote participation and shared with MAG CS As retreat nomination period followed, some MAG CS made this ask to Secretariat directly   
Perhaps it is time to revisit the idea https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M3L90bHNv1QzCboqadwd13Qwcxyd2hv5VamBeAUghL8/edit?usp=sharing                                            
Best,                                                                                                                                                                              
Renata
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From raquino at gmail.com  Sat Jun 25 05:21:00 2016
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 09:21:00 +0000
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] [JNC - Forum] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF
 Retreat Participants
In-Reply-To: <baebe829-85d2-4d7a-acc9-43ccf36f6598@igf.td>
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Message-ID: <1466846460397-f728b4b2-695ab830-24abf19e@mixmax.com>

Hi
Abdeldjalil, it is great to know this. NRIs in developing countries have a major
part to play in IGF's future, it can not be different.
Best
Renata





On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 7:45 PM, Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong bachar at igf.td wrote:
Hello Renata
I Fully agree with You ; So during our last meeting Of NRI with IGF SECREATARIAT i recommande to have a
remote participation ;
Thanks

Cordialement ---------------------------- Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong
Le Secrétaire Exécutif
Forum sur la Gouvernance de l'Internet au Tchad (FGI Tchad) ------ ----------------------------
The Executive Secretary
Internet Governance Forum (IGF Chad)
E-mail1: Bachar at igf.td E-mail2: info at igf.td Website: www.igf.td Twitter :IGFCHAD


On ven., juin 24, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
wrote:
Dear all
On May 26, I drafted this letter asking for remote participation and shared with
MAG CS As retreat nomination period followed, some MAG CS made this ask to Secretariat
directly
Perhaps it is time to revisit the idea 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M3L90bHNv1QzCboqadwd13Qwcxyd2hv5VamBeAUghL8/edit?usp=sharing
Best,
Renata
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From nb at bollow.ch  Sat Jun 25 06:39:40 2016
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 12:39:40 +0200
Subject: [governance] [JNC - Forum] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat
 Participants
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References: <733C506E-6192-49B6-A46E-BEFA3BC7BEF9@unog.ch>
	<CAJTVAjxG3sNwBJRE_ap=O9-Yyt3zXCZeme4PVaN=uj5J2=stEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABj-mVaUuLkdf-GVr9YZjsAZKabPQbF9byH9R6hgejPXYe6D_g@mail.gmail.com>
	<928e41da-ab8d-c9cd-275d-f9418104bdd2@cdt.org>
	<CAJTVAjzgVuXzyUe+Dmdaz4Xkjq6-9i3DW2D36ZncJ-VkrVYtNA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADFgh12iJFMDec2BhBmCY9b-6H=3DWruUqhgGsSL8ERQCusrqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<86FD3079-1615-4EB5-BBE1-65391F77CF76@cyberinvasion.net>
	<CAMz5XN6Mzdp85HZPfP3QWh6wqp=UpX=uCaxL+TixMwEe1GGM+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<1466531691287-8fcfd79d-887134d9-ae1e36a2@mixmax.com>
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	<20160624123714.4c3a9f7d@quill>
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	<baebe829-85d2-4d7a-acc9-43ccf36f6598@igf.td>
	<1466846460397-f728b4b2-695ab830-24abf19e@mixmax.com>
Message-ID: <20160625123940.33628c1a@quill>

As I had to do an Internet search to figure out the meaning of this
acronym, let me share what I found, since I'm surely not the only one
to have been ignorant of the fact that "NRI" stands for "Non-Resident
Indians", i.e. people from India who live outside India.

Greetings,
Norbert


On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 09:21:00 +0000
Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
> Abdeldjalil, it is great to know this. NRIs in developing countries
> have a major part to play in IGF's future, it can not be different.
> Best
> Renata
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 7:45 PM, Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong bachar at igf.td
> wrote: Hello Renata
> I Fully agree with You ; So during our last meeting Of NRI with IGF
> SECREATARIAT i recommande to have a remote participation ;
> Thanks
> 
> Cordialement ---------------------------- Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong
> Le Secrétaire Exécutif
> Forum sur la Gouvernance de l'Internet au Tchad (FGI Tchad) ------
> ---------------------------- The Executive Secretary
> Internet Governance Forum (IGF Chad)
> E-mail1: Bachar at igf.td E-mail2: info at igf.td Website: www.igf.td
> Twitter :IGFCHAD
> 
> 
> On ven., juin 24, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
> <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear all
> On May 26, I drafted this letter asking for remote participation and
> shared with MAG CS As retreat nomination period followed, some MAG CS
> made this ask to Secretariat directly
> Perhaps it is time to revisit the idea 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M3L90bHNv1QzCboqadwd13Qwcxyd2hv5VamBeAUghL8/edit?usp=sharing
> Best,
> Renata

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From raquino at gmail.com  Sat Jun 25 07:14:51 2016
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 08:14:51 -0300
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] [JNC - Forum] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF
 Retreat Participants
In-Reply-To: <20160625123940.33628c1a@quill>
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National and Regional IGFs

Apologies for the acronym
Em 25 de jun de 2016 07:41, "Norbert Bollow" <nb at bollow.ch> escreveu:

> As I had to do an Internet search to figure out the meaning of this
> acronym, let me share what I found, since I'm surely not the only one
> to have been ignorant of the fact that "NRI" stands for "Non-Resident
> Indians", i.e. people from India who live outside India.
>
> Greetings,
> Norbert
>
>
> On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 09:21:00 +0000
> Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > Abdeldjalil, it is great to know this. NRIs in developing countries
> > have a major part to play in IGF's future, it can not be different.
> > Best
> > Renata
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 7:45 PM, Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong bachar at igf.td
> > wrote: Hello Renata
> > I Fully agree with You ; So during our last meeting Of NRI with IGF
> > SECREATARIAT i recommande to have a remote participation ;
> > Thanks
> >
> > Cordialement ---------------------------- Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong
> > Le Secrétaire Exécutif
> > Forum sur la Gouvernance de l'Internet au Tchad (FGI Tchad) ------
> > ---------------------------- The Executive Secretary
> > Internet Governance Forum (IGF Chad)
> > E-mail1: Bachar at igf.td E-mail2: info at igf.td Website: www.igf.td
> > Twitter :IGFCHAD
> >
> >
> > On ven., juin 24, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
> > <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear all
> > On May 26, I drafted this letter asking for remote participation and
> > shared with MAG CS As retreat nomination period followed, some MAG CS
> > made this ask to Secretariat directly
> > Perhaps it is time to revisit the idea
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M3L90bHNv1QzCboqadwd13Qwcxyd2hv5VamBeAUghL8/edit?usp=sharing
> > Best,
> > Renata
>
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From williams.deirdre at gmail.com  Sat Jun 25 07:17:16 2016
From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 07:17:16 -0400
Subject: [governance] [JNC - Forum] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat
 Participants
In-Reply-To: <20160625123940.33628c1a@quill>
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Try National/Regional initiatives (NRI) - an umbrella term created to cover
the national and regional internet governance forums.
Wouldn't it be wonderful to have a world without acronyms?
Deirdre

On 25 June 2016 at 06:39, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:

> As I had to do an Internet search to figure out the meaning of this
> acronym, let me share what I found, since I'm surely not the only one
> to have been ignorant of the fact that "NRI" stands for "Non-Resident
> Indians", i.e. people from India who live outside India.
>
> Greetings,
> Norbert
>
>
> On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 09:21:00 +0000
> Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > Abdeldjalil, it is great to know this. NRIs in developing countries
> > have a major part to play in IGF's future, it can not be different.
> > Best
> > Renata
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 7:45 PM, Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong bachar at igf.td
> > wrote: Hello Renata
> > I Fully agree with You ; So during our last meeting Of NRI with IGF
> > SECREATARIAT i recommande to have a remote participation ;
> > Thanks
> >
> > Cordialement ---------------------------- Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong
> > Le Secrétaire Exécutif
> > Forum sur la Gouvernance de l'Internet au Tchad (FGI Tchad) ------
> > ---------------------------- The Executive Secretary
> > Internet Governance Forum (IGF Chad)
> > E-mail1: Bachar at igf.td E-mail2: info at igf.td Website: www.igf.td
> > Twitter :IGFCHAD
> >
> >
> > On ven., juin 24, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
> > <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear all
> > On May 26, I drafted this letter asking for remote participation and
> > shared with MAG CS As retreat nomination period followed, some MAG CS
> > made this ask to Secretariat directly
> > Perhaps it is time to revisit the idea
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M3L90bHNv1QzCboqadwd13Qwcxyd2hv5VamBeAUghL8/edit?usp=sharing
> > Best,
> > Renata
> _______________________________________________
> Forum mailing list
> Forum at justnetcoalition.org
> http://mail.justnetcoalition.org/listinfo/forum
>



-- 
“The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William
Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
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From nb at bollow.ch  Sat Jun 25 08:18:24 2016
From: nb at bollow.ch (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 14:18:24 +0200
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] [JNC - Forum] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF
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Oops, thanks!

Greetings,
Norbert


On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 08:14:51 -0300
Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:

> National and Regional IGFs
> 
> Apologies for the acronym
> Em 25 de jun de 2016 07:41, "Norbert Bollow" <nb at bollow.ch> escreveu:
> 
> > As I had to do an Internet search to figure out the meaning of this
> > acronym, let me share what I found, since I'm surely not the only
> > one to have been ignorant of the fact that "NRI" stands for
> > "Non-Resident Indians", i.e. people from India who live outside
> > India.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Norbert
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 09:21:00 +0000
> > Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > > Abdeldjalil, it is great to know this. NRIs in developing
> > > countries have a major part to play in IGF's future, it can not
> > > be different. Best
> > > Renata
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 7:45 PM, Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong
> > > bachar at igf.td wrote: Hello Renata
> > > I Fully agree with You ; So during our last meeting Of NRI with
> > > IGF SECREATARIAT i recommande to have a remote participation ;
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Cordialement ---------------------------- Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong
> > > Le Secrétaire Exécutif
> > > Forum sur la Gouvernance de l'Internet au Tchad (FGI Tchad) ------
> > > ---------------------------- The Executive Secretary
> > > Internet Governance Forum (IGF Chad)
> > > E-mail1: Bachar at igf.td E-mail2: info at igf.td Website: www.igf.td
> > > Twitter :IGFCHAD
> > >
> > >
> > > On ven., juin 24, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
> > > <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dear all
> > > On May 26, I drafted this letter asking for remote participation
> > > and shared with MAG CS As retreat nomination period followed,
> > > some MAG CS made this ask to Secretariat directly
> > > Perhaps it is time to revisit the idea
> > >
> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M3L90bHNv1QzCboqadwd13Qwcxyd2hv5VamBeAUghL8/edit?usp=sharing
> > > Best,
> > > Renata
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________
> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
> >      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
> > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
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> >


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From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de  Sat Jun 25 08:23:52 2016
From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 14:23:52 +0200
Subject: AW: [governance] [bestbits] [JNC - Forum] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF
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NAREGIGOF would have been an another option :-)))

Wolfgang



-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Norbert Bollow
Gesendet: Sa 25.06.2016 14:18
An: Renata Aquino Ribeiro
Cc: Internet Governance; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net&gt &lt; JNC Forum
Betreff: Re: [governance] [bestbits] [JNC - Forum] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat Participants
 
Oops, thanks!

Greetings,
Norbert


On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 08:14:51 -0300
Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:

> National and Regional IGFs
> 
> Apologies for the acronym
> Em 25 de jun de 2016 07:41, "Norbert Bollow" <nb at bollow.ch> escreveu:
> 
> > As I had to do an Internet search to figure out the meaning of this
> > acronym, let me share what I found, since I'm surely not the only
> > one to have been ignorant of the fact that "NRI" stands for
> > "Non-Resident Indians", i.e. people from India who live outside
> > India.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Norbert
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 09:21:00 +0000
> > Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > > Abdeldjalil, it is great to know this. NRIs in developing
> > > countries have a major part to play in IGF's future, it can not
> > > be different. Best
> > > Renata
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 7:45 PM, Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong
> > > bachar at igf.td wrote: Hello Renata
> > > I Fully agree with You ; So during our last meeting Of NRI with
> > > IGF SECREATARIAT i recommande to have a remote participation ;
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Cordialement ---------------------------- Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong
> > > Le Secrétaire Exécutif
> > > Forum sur la Gouvernance de l'Internet au Tchad (FGI Tchad) ------
> > > ---------------------------- The Executive Secretary
> > > Internet Governance Forum (IGF Chad)
> > > E-mail1: Bachar at igf.td E-mail2: info at igf.td Website: www.igf.td
> > > Twitter :IGFCHAD
> > >
> > >
> > > On ven., juin 24, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
> > > <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dear all
> > > On May 26, I drafted this letter asking for remote participation
> > > and shared with MAG CS As retreat nomination period followed,
> > > some MAG CS made this ask to Secretariat directly
> > > Perhaps it is time to revisit the idea
> > >
> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M3L90bHNv1QzCboqadwd13Qwcxyd2hv5VamBeAUghL8/edit?usp=sharing
> > > Best,
> > > Renata
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________
> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
> >      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net.
> > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit:
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From arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr  Sat Jun 25 09:17:35 2016
From: arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr (Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo))
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 13:17:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [governance] [bestbits] [JNC - Forum] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF
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 blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; }  I love acronyms :)
The CSCG sent a letter raising some of these issues. We encouraged individual contributions as well. I need to check the submission deadline but if not yet due, the other way would be individual submissions since we might not have enough time for another joint submission.
But overall, i note we all have clear and quite the same understanding of issues that this retreat bears in itself since they have been raised over and over on these lists for many weeks now.
Let's count on retreat participants to push during the physical meeting so that, if no more time to organize RP (another acronym, standing for Remore Participation) for this retreat, we make sure such a mess no longer happens at least in the IGF area.

But wait... since they asked for submissions, this sounds obvious to me they have good will to work on solving most of them. If so, then let's wait and see.
---------------------Arsene Tungali,IGC Co-coordinator at arsenebaguma+243 993810967 (DRCongo)Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone (excuse typos and brievity)


On Saturday, June 25, 2016, 2:25 PM, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:

NAREGIGOF would have been an another option :-)))

Wolfgang



-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Norbert Bollow
Gesendet: Sa 25.06.2016 14:18
An: Renata Aquino Ribeiro
Cc: Internet Governance; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> < JNC Forum
Betreff: Re: [governance] [bestbits] [JNC - Forum] Fwd: [IGFmaglist] IGF Retreat Participants
 
Oops, thanks!

Greetings,
Norbert


On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 08:14:51 -0300
Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:

> National and Regional IGFs
> 
> Apologies for the acronym
> Em 25 de jun de 2016 07:41, "Norbert Bollow" <nb at bollow.ch> escreveu:
> 
> > As I had to do an Internet search to figure out the meaning of this
> > acronym, let me share what I found, since I'm surely not the only
> > one to have been ignorant of the fact that "NRI" stands for
> > "Non-Resident Indians", i.e. people from India who live outside
> > India.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Norbert
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 09:21:00 +0000
> > Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > > Abdeldjalil, it is great to know this. NRIs in developing
> > > countries have a major part to play in IGF's future, it can not
> > > be different. Best
> > > Renata
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 7:45 PM, Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong
> > > bachar at igf.td wrote: Hello Renata
> > > I Fully agree with You ; So during our last meeting Of NRI with
> > > IGF SECREATARIAT i recommande to have a remote participation ;
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Cordialement ---------------------------- Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong
> > > Le Secrétaire Exécutif
> > > Forum sur la Gouvernance de l'Internet au Tchad (FGI Tchad) ------
> > > ---------------------------- The Executive Secretary
> > > Internet Governance Forum (IGF Chad)
> > > E-mail1: Bachar at igf.td E-mail2: info at igf.td Website: http://www.igf.td 
> > > Twitter :IGFCHAD
> > >
> > >
> > > On ven., juin 24, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
> > > <raquino at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dear all
> > > On May 26, I drafted this letter asking for remote participation
> > > and shared with MAG CS As retreat nomination period followed,
> > > some MAG CS made this ask to Secretariat directly
> > > Perhaps it is time to revisit the idea
> > >
> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M3L90bHNv1QzCboqadwd13Qwcxyd2hv5VamBeAUghL8/edit?usp=sharing
> > > Best,
> > > Renata
> >
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From raquino at gmail.com  Sun Jun 26 09:59:21 2016
From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 13:59:21 +0000
Subject: [governance] [Internet Policy] LETTER IN SUPPORT OF THE
 ATTRIBUTIONS AND MULTISTAKEHOLDER NATURE OF CGI.BR
In-Reply-To: <576D6F11.2060902@cafonso.ca>
References: <576D6F11.2060902@cafonso.ca>
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Hi Carlos
You may have seen some expressions of support have followed this letter. It would be great to know if you`ve got them and if there`s anything else those
who expressed support can do.
Best,
Renata





On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 2:34 PM, Carlos Afonso ca at cafonso.ca wrote:
[sorry for possible duplicates]




Note: given the recent transition in the Brazilian federal government

and the political uncertainties involved, a group of civil society and

academic organizations has produced this public declaration in defense

of the multistakeholder nature of CGI.br and its attributions.




LETTER IN SUPPORT OF THE ATTRIBUTIONS AND MULTISTAKEHOLDER NATURE OF CGI.BR




24-6-2016




The Internet Steering Committe of Brazil, CGI.br, a multistakeholder

commission, has a crucial mission in the development of the Internet in

Brazil. In particular, CGI.br supervises the actions of NIC.br - a

non-profit private civil society organizationm in charge of carrying out

the management of all activities derived from policies defined by the

Committee. Decree Number 4829, of September, 2003, describes

attributions of CGI.br, which include:




- proposing policies and procedures regarding the regulation of Internet

activities;




- recommending standards for technical and operational procedures for

the Internet in Brazil;




- establishing strategic directives related to the use and development

of the Internet in Brazil;




- promoting studies and technical standards for network and service

security in the country;




- coordinating the allocation of Internet addresses (IPs) in Brazil and

registration in the ".br




- collecting, organizing and disseminating information on Internet

services, including indicators and statistics;




- be represented in national and international technical forums related

to the Internet;




- to adopt administrative and operational procedures so that Internet

governance in Brazil follows internationally accepted standards,

enabling it to celebrate agreements and partnerships.




These activities, fully funded by private income derived from

distribution of domain names and IP numbers, are essential for the

operation and development of the Internet in Brazil. These attributions

are being carried out in a multistakeholder approach, with participation

of civil society, academia, technical community, private sector and

government.




This pluralist feature has been the basis for the charter of principles

which is at the origin of the Brazilian Civil Rights Framework for the

Internet ("Marco Civil da Internet"). The success of this pluralist

practice has turned CGI.br into a worldwide reference on Internet

governance, considering that since its creation in 1995, and even in the

preparation of the Decree of 2003, any change in its structure and

operation has been preceded by broad consultations with society,

including significant participation of civil society and academic

organizations.




In order to protect the stability, security and quality of the work

which has been and continues to be carried out and developed by the

Committee, the undersigned organizations affirm the centrality of CGI.br

to develop activities absolutely vital for the Internet of today and

tomorrow in the country, stressing the importance of preserving the

above attributions, as well as the pluralist, multissectorial nature of

CGI.br.




Actantes

Artigo 19

Barão de Itararé

Coding Rights

Colab-USP

Coletivo Digital

CTS-FGV

GPoPAI/USP

Ibase

Ibidem

InternetLab

Instituto Bem Estar Brasil

Intervozes

ITSRio

Lavits

Medialab.UFRJ

Nupef

ProTeste

Safernet Brasil

ULEPICC-BR




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CGI.br - http://cgi.br

ISOC-BR - https://isoc.org.br




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From joly at punkcast.com  Mon Jun 27 06:00:40 2016
From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 06:00:40 -0400
Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?ICANN_56_under_way_in_Helsinki_=E2=80=93_R?=
 =?UTF-8?Q?emote_Participation_info?=
Message-ID: <CAM9VJk1RAbzDnO1Vs=OmPKwPqEL6ideyXP9GSu+NU-6ofvdUZQ@mail.gmail.com>

​As mentioned when I posted the ​Policy Update
<http://isoc-ny.org/p2/8560>, this
is a 3-day meet, strictly focused on policy development, and without some
of the usual bells and whistles. You can watch a welcome video
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhopMO9vyDI> from David Olive, Senior Vice
President of Policy Development Support at ICANN

joly posted: "The 56th meeting of the Internet Corporation for Assigned
Names and Numbers (ICANN 56) is taking place June 21-25 2015 in Helsinki,
Finland. Remote participation/webcast is available via Adobe Connect. Live
english transcription plus 7 languages of audio "



[image: ICANN 56]The *56th meeting of the Internet Corporation for Assigned
Names and Numbers <https://meetings.icann.org/en/helsinki56>* (ICANN 56) is
taking place *June 21-25 2015* in *Helsinki, Finland*. Remote
participation/webcast is available via Adobe Connect. Live English
transcription of the main sessions plus 7 languages of audio streams of all
sessions will be available. Helsinki, Finland is on EEST, seven hours ahead
of NYC (UTC+3)








* What: ICANN 56 <https://meetings.icann.org/en/helsinki56> Where:
Helsinki, Finland When: June 21-25 2015 Schedule:
https://meetings.icann.org/en/helsinki56schedule-full
<https://meetings.icann.org/en/helsinki56schedule-full> Twitter:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/icann56 <https://twitter.com/hashtag/icann56>
Facebook: https://facebook.com/hashtag/icann56
<https://facebook.com/hashtag/icann56>*


Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/8569#respond>    See all comments
<http://isoc-ny.org/p2/8569#comments>






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From ian.peter at ianpeter.com  Wed Jun 29 01:16:35 2016
From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:16:35 +1000
Subject: [governance] Fw: IGF Retreat Submission from CSCG
Message-ID: <9CB7992D17A04F279CB62E40E9216959@Toshiba>

Below is the text of the submission sent by CSCG to the IGF Planning Retreat. In accordance with our mission it concentrates heavily on improving processes for stakeholder selection.

Ian Peter



Dear IGF Secretariat,




I am pleased to submit this contribution for your planning retreat on behalf of the Internet Governance Civil Society Co-ordination Group (CSCG). CSCG exists solely to ensure a coordinated civil society response and conduit when it comes to making civil society appointments to outside bodies. It comprises representatives of the coalition members of the Association for Progressive Communications, Best Bits, Internet Governance Caucus, Just Net Coalition, and Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN. Together the reach of these groups extends to many hundreds of non-governmental organisations, as well as a much greater number of individuals. 



In line with our mandate, this submission concentrates specifically on improving the nomination process and make-up of the Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG).



As you know, this has been the subject of some concerns with stakeholder groups, and we believe that these concerns should be addressed. In order to do this, we recommend the establishment of a small Multistakeholder Working Group, including representatives of Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG), Internet Technical Collaboration Group (ITCG) and International Chamber of Commerce ( ICC/BASIS),  working with UNDESA to refine procedures and resolve some of these difficulties.  We feel sure that by working together we can develop procedures which improve stakeholder representation – and therefore the overall efficiency of the IGF. We commend this recommendation to you.



But in the meantime, and additionally, we refer to the recommendations of the Working Group on Improvements to the IGF, later endorsed by the UN General Assembly, which include 3 sections of relevance to this process. Our suggestions relating to these appear below.



Sect 20(a) The three non-governmental stakeholder groups should propose lists of candidates that should be balanced, including in terms of gender distribution and in reflecting the diversity of geographical distribution. This will enable a wide range of diversity within the MAG, especially those groups which have been underrepresented in the MAG, and will be sufficiently large to provide some flexibility when selecting MAG members;



In finalising representation and providing the flexibility referred to above, we understand that, in addition to balance within each stakeholder group, you wish to ensure that you achieve the best possible gender and geographic balance across stakeholder groups; of course we agree with this objective.  But your process for doing this in the past has been to make final selections within UNDESA  without further consultation with stakeholder groups. This can sometimes be problematic, as you cannot possibly be aware of the ramifications of some such choices within stakeholder groups.

The way other organisations have handled this is to arrange a simultaneous phone hookup with representatives of stakeholder groups to discuss such final balance issues. You will find that we actually work quite well together in such circumstances, and we believe that the results will be more acceptable to stakeholder groups if this quick final consultation is included.



Additionally, we believe  you need to address the issue that certain stakeholder groups have a long history of submitting names to you dominated by male candidates: and that as a result civil society nominations are often adjusted to include more women and get better gender balance overall.  That does nothing to address the problem of discrimination against women in those stakeholder groups where there is discrimination against women; it only creates a false perception of gender balance which will, if it has any effect at all, contribute to those problems not getting addressed. Furthermore, it makes it far more difficult for male candidates from civil society to be included. We suggest that you insist that each individual stakeholder group, and particularly governments, must address gender equality within their constituency.




Sect 20(b) Stakeholder groups should identify and publicize the process which works best for their own culture and methods of engagement and which will ensure their self-management;



IGF Secretariat should not run duplicative processes for stakeholder nominations (such as was the case with the nominations for this IGF Retreat). Either a centralised process (where all candidates submit via IGF, and all nominations are then provided to stakeholder groups for assessment at the closing date), or a decentralised process, where stakeholder groups run their own processes (in accordance with 20(b) above) should be run, but not both. Duplicative processes are confusing, require candidates to submit twice, and results in differing sets of candidate groups for assessment existing.





Sect  21 a) The process of selection of MAG members should be inclusive, predictable, transparent and fully documented;



In respect of this, we submit:



1.  More transparency is needed. We believe that, in the interests of transparency, names and application details of all candidates for MAG selection should be publicly known. Whether this should be at the close of applications, or at the close of assessments, needs to be discussed further in the light of detailed procedures. Note: This is not a privacy issue as long as candidates are advised beforehand of this requirement.



This requirement will assist with overall assessment of candidates by stakeholder groups, as well as in identifying candidates who have applied via separate organisations.  We suggest this requirement be included when stakeholder groups provide their own processes, and also if a more centralised process is run via IGF Secretariat.

2. We also suggest that recommendations from stakeholder groups to IGF Secretariat should be publicly available.



3. Stakeholder procedures for making selections should also be publicly available. (CSCG’s current procedures can be found at http://www.internetgov-cs.org/procedures)



These recommendations are based on the best practice we have observed with other organisations in selecting multistakeholder representatives. We offer the above suggestions in the spirit of co-operation with you, as we also want to see the best possible representation of stakeholders. And again, we offer our services to work with you and other stakeholder groups to refine procedures to ensure more acceptable, transparent and representative results.


Sincerely,


Ian Peter – Independent Chair, Internet Governance Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG)




SUMMARY OF RECOMMENDATIONS



We recommend the establishment of a small Multistakeholder Working Group, including representatives of Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG), Internet Technical Collaboration Group (ITCG) and International Chamber of Commerce ( ICC/BASIS),  to work with UNDESA to refine procedures for MAG nominations and similar processes.   



We recommend a simultaneous phone hookup with representatives of stakeholder groups to discuss final balance issues (including overall gender and geographical representation).



We recommend that you insist that each individual stakeholder group, and particularly governments, must address gender equality within their constituency.



We recommend that IGF Secretariat should not run duplicative processes for stakeholder nominations (such as was the case with the nominations for this IGF Retreat). Either a centralised process (where all candidates submit via IGF, and all nominations are then provided to stakeholder groups for assessment at the closing date), or a decentralised process, where stakeholder groups run their own processes should be run, but not both.



We recommend that in the interests of transparency, names and application details of all candidates for MAG selection should be publicly known. This requirement should also be included when stakeholder groups provide their own processes, and also if a more centralised process is run via IGF Secretariat.



Recommendations from stakeholder groups to the IGF Secretariat should be publicly available, as well as stakeholder procedures for making selections .



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From srajukanumuri at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 01:55:04 2016
From: srajukanumuri at gmail.com (srajukanumuri)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 11:25:04 +0530
Subject: [governance] Fw: IGF Retreat Submission from CSCG
Message-ID: <CAMhKXY7ac5FohQ6aTuhdzGJHLRb3a9W2NJpjfsgBjSgKM_pREw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Mr Iani Pater sir ,

 thanks for your feed back. Based on your frame work big countries like
India have different states and different governments with different type
of
 civil society groups different type of multi stake holders and different
type of communities with different languages they speak with different type
 socio economic issues with different type areas etc. In order to reach
with common Internet governance forum it will become complicated and
 so many hurdles will come . Order make our efforts strong we can divide
based on country , state region and areas of governance of model
 with all stake holder representation.

 Good day to you
 ksraju


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On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:

> Below is the text of the submission sent by CSCG to the IGF Planning
> Retreat. In accordance with our mission it concentrates heavily on
> improving processes for stakeholder selection.
>
> Ian Peter
>
>
>
> Dear IGF Secretariat,
>
>
>
> I am pleased to submit this contribution for your planning retreat on
> behalf of the Internet Governance Civil Society Co-ordination Group (CSCG).
> CSCG exists solely to ensure a coordinated civil society response and
> conduit when it comes to making civil society appointments to outside
> bodies. It comprises representatives of the coalition members of the
> Association for Progressive Communications, Best Bits, Internet Governance
> Caucus, Just Net Coalition, and Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN.
> Together the reach of these groups extends to many hundreds of
> non-governmental organisations, as well as a much greater number of
> individuals.
>
> In line with our mandate, this submission concentrates specifically on
> improving the nomination process and make-up of the Multistakeholder
> Advisory Group (MAG).
>
> As you know, this has been the subject of some concerns with stakeholder
> groups, and we believe that these concerns should be addressed. In order to
> do this, we recommend the establishment of a small Multistakeholder Working
> Group, including representatives of Civil Society Coordination Group
> (CSCG), Internet Technical Collaboration Group (ITCG) and International
> Chamber of Commerce ( ICC/BASIS),  working with UNDESA to refine procedures
> and resolve some of these difficulties.  We feel sure that by working
> together we can develop procedures which improve stakeholder representation
> – and therefore the overall efficiency of the IGF. We commend this
> recommendation to you.
>
> But in the meantime, and additionally, we refer to the recommendations of
> the Working Group on Improvements to the IGF, later endorsed by the UN
> General Assembly, which include 3 sections of relevance to this process.
> Our suggestions relating to these appear below.
>
> *Sect 20(a) The three non-governmental stakeholder groups should propose
> lists of candidates that should be balanced, including in terms of gender
> distribution and in reflecting the diversity of geographical distribution.
> This will enable a wide range of diversity within the MAG, especially those
> groups which have been underrepresented in the MAG, and will be
> sufficiently large to provide some flexibility when selecting MAG members;*
>
> In finalising representation and providing the flexibility referred to
> above, we understand that, in addition to balance within each stakeholder
> group, you wish to ensure that you achieve the best possible gender and
> geographic balance across stakeholder groups; of course we agree with this
> objective.  But your process for doing this in the past has been to make
> final selections within UNDESA  without further consultation with
> stakeholder groups. This can sometimes be problematic, as you cannot
> possibly be aware of the ramifications of some such choices within
> stakeholder groups.
>
> The way other organisations have handled this is to arrange a simultaneous
> phone hookup with representatives of stakeholder groups to discuss such
> final balance issues. You will find that we actually work quite well
> together in such circumstances, and we believe that the results will be
> more acceptable to stakeholder groups if this quick final consultation is
> included.
>
> Additionally, we believe  you need to address the issue that certain
> stakeholder groups have a long history of submitting names to you dominated
> by male candidates: and that as a result civil society nominations are
> often adjusted to include more women and get better gender balance
> overall.  That does nothing to address the problem of discrimination
> against women in those stakeholder groups where there is discrimination
> against women; it only creates a false perception of gender balance which
> will, if it has any effect at all, contribute to those problems not getting
> addressed. Furthermore, it makes it far more difficult for male candidates
> from civil society to be included. We suggest that you insist that each
> individual stakeholder group, and particularly governments, must address
> gender equality within their constituency.
>
>
>
> *Sect 20(b) Stakeholder groups should identify and publicize the process
> which works best for their own culture and methods of engagement and which
> will ensure their self-management;*
>
> IGF Secretariat should not run duplicative processes for stakeholder
> nominations (such as was the case with the nominations for this IGF
> Retreat). Either a centralised process (where all candidates submit via
> IGF, and all nominations are then provided to stakeholder groups for
> assessment at the closing date), or a decentralised process, where
> stakeholder groups run their own processes (in accordance with 20(b) above)
> should be run, but not both. Duplicative processes are confusing, require
> candidates to submit twice, and results in differing sets of candidate
> groups for assessment existing.
>
>
>
> *Sect  21 a) The process of selection of MAG members should be inclusive,
> predictable, transparent and fully documented;*
>
> In respect of this, we submit:
>
>
>
> 1.  More transparency is needed. We believe that, in the interests of
> transparency, names and application details of all candidates for MAG
> selection should be publicly known. Whether this should be at the close of
> applications, or at the close of assessments, needs to be discussed further
> in the light of detailed procedures. Note: This is not a privacy issue as
> long as candidates are advised beforehand of this requirement.
>
> This requirement will assist with overall assessment of candidates by
> stakeholder groups, as well as in identifying candidates who have applied
> via separate organisations.  We suggest this requirement be included when
> stakeholder groups provide their own processes, and also if a more
> centralised process is run via IGF Secretariat.
>
> 2. We also suggest that recommendations from stakeholder groups to IGF
> Secretariat should be publicly available.
>
> 3. Stakeholder procedures for making selections should also be publicly
> available. (CSCG’s current procedures can be found at
> http://www.internetgov-cs.org/procedures)
>
> These recommendations are based on the best practice we have observed with
> other organisations in selecting multistakeholder representatives. We offer
> the above suggestions in the spirit of co-operation with you, as we also
> want to see the best possible representation of stakeholders. And again, we
> offer our services to work with you and other stakeholder groups to refine
> procedures to ensure more acceptable, transparent and representative
> results.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ian Peter – Independent Chair, Internet Governance Civil Society
> Coordination Group (CSCG)
>
>
>
> *SUMMARY OF RECOMMENDATIONS*
>
> *We recommend the establishment of a small Multistakeholder Working Group,
> including representatives of Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG),
> Internet Technical Collaboration Group (ITCG) and International Chamber of
> Commerce ( ICC/BASIS),  to work with UNDESA to refine procedures for MAG
> nominations and similar processes.   *
>
> *We recommend a simultaneous phone hookup with representatives of
> stakeholder groups to discuss final balance issues (including overall
> gender and geographical representation).*
>
> *We recommend that you insist that each individual stakeholder group, and
> particularly governments, must address gender equality within their
> constituency.*
>
> *We recommend that IGF Secretariat should not run duplicative processes
> for stakeholder nominations (such as was the case with the nominations for
> this IGF Retreat). Either a centralised process (where all candidates
> submit via IGF, and all nominations are then provided to stakeholder groups
> for assessment at the closing date), or a decentralised process, where
> stakeholder groups run their own processes should be run, but not both.*
>
> *We recommend that in the interests of transparency, names and application
> details of all candidates for MAG selection should be publicly known. This
> requirement should also be included when stakeholder groups provide their
> own processes, and also if a more centralised process is run via IGF
> Secretariat.*
>
> *Recommendations from stakeholder groups to the IGF Secretariat should be
> publicly available, as well as stakeholder procedures for making selections
> .*
>
>
>
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From compsoftnet at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 02:12:11 2016
From: compsoftnet at gmail.com (Akinremi Peter Taiwo)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 07:12:11 +0100
Subject: [governance] Fw: IGF Retreat Submission from CSCG
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So do other countries e.g Africa.
On Jun 29, 2016 6:56 AM, "srajukanumuri" <srajukanumuri at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Mr Iani Pater sir ,
>
>  thanks for your feed back. Based on your frame work big countries like
> India have different states and different governments with different type
> of
>  civil society groups different type of multi stake holders and different
> type of communities with different languages they speak with different type
>  socio economic issues with different type areas etc. In order to reach
> with common Internet governance forum it will become complicated and
>  so many hurdles will come . Order make our efforts strong we can divide
> based on country , state region and areas of governance of model
>  with all stake holder representation.
>
>  Good day to you
>  ksraju
>
>
> " We Connect human contacts "
> " We  make net to think and act "
> " Survival is h-commerce -human  commerce or human knowledge commerce
> based on Bartering of knowledge Globally with out money as instrument "
>
>
> <http://www.ourgreenindia.com>
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Below is the text of the submission sent by CSCG to the IGF Planning
>> Retreat. In accordance with our mission it concentrates heavily on
>> improving processes for stakeholder selection.
>>
>> Ian Peter
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear IGF Secretariat,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am pleased to submit this contribution for your planning retreat on
>> behalf of the Internet Governance Civil Society Co-ordination Group (CSCG).
>> CSCG exists solely to ensure a coordinated civil society response and
>> conduit when it comes to making civil society appointments to outside
>> bodies. It comprises representatives of the coalition members of the
>> Association for Progressive Communications, Best Bits, Internet Governance
>> Caucus, Just Net Coalition, and Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN.
>> Together the reach of these groups extends to many hundreds of
>> non-governmental organisations, as well as a much greater number of
>> individuals.
>>
>> In line with our mandate, this submission concentrates specifically on
>> improving the nomination process and make-up of the Multistakeholder
>> Advisory Group (MAG).
>>
>> As you know, this has been the subject of some concerns with stakeholder
>> groups, and we believe that these concerns should be addressed. In order to
>> do this, we recommend the establishment of a small Multistakeholder Working
>> Group, including representatives of Civil Society Coordination Group
>> (CSCG), Internet Technical Collaboration Group (ITCG) and International
>> Chamber of Commerce ( ICC/BASIS),  working with UNDESA to refine procedures
>> and resolve some of these difficulties.  We feel sure that by working
>> together we can develop procedures which improve stakeholder representation
>> – and therefore the overall efficiency of the IGF. We commend this
>> recommendation to you.
>>
>> But in the meantime, and additionally, we refer to the recommendations of
>> the Working Group on Improvements to the IGF, later endorsed by the UN
>> General Assembly, which include 3 sections of relevance to this process.
>> Our suggestions relating to these appear below.
>>
>> *Sect 20(a) The three non-governmental stakeholder groups should propose
>> lists of candidates that should be balanced, including in terms of gender
>> distribution and in reflecting the diversity of geographical distribution.
>> This will enable a wide range of diversity within the MAG, especially those
>> groups which have been underrepresented in the MAG, and will be
>> sufficiently large to provide some flexibility when selecting MAG members;*
>>
>> In finalising representation and providing the flexibility referred to
>> above, we understand that, in addition to balance within each stakeholder
>> group, you wish to ensure that you achieve the best possible gender and
>> geographic balance across stakeholder groups; of course we agree with this
>> objective.  But your process for doing this in the past has been to make
>> final selections within UNDESA  without further consultation with
>> stakeholder groups. This can sometimes be problematic, as you cannot
>> possibly be aware of the ramifications of some such choices within
>> stakeholder groups.
>>
>> The way other organisations have handled this is to arrange a
>> simultaneous phone hookup with representatives of stakeholder groups to
>> discuss such final balance issues. You will find that we actually work
>> quite well together in such circumstances, and we believe that the results
>> will be more acceptable to stakeholder groups if this quick final
>> consultation is included.
>>
>> Additionally, we believe  you need to address the issue that certain
>> stakeholder groups have a long history of submitting names to you dominated
>> by male candidates: and that as a result civil society nominations are
>> often adjusted to include more women and get better gender balance
>> overall.  That does nothing to address the problem of discrimination
>> against women in those stakeholder groups where there is discrimination
>> against women; it only creates a false perception of gender balance which
>> will, if it has any effect at all, contribute to those problems not getting
>> addressed. Furthermore, it makes it far more difficult for male candidates
>> from civil society to be included. We suggest that you insist that each
>> individual stakeholder group, and particularly governments, must address
>> gender equality within their constituency.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Sect 20(b) Stakeholder groups should identify and publicize the process
>> which works best for their own culture and methods of engagement and which
>> will ensure their self-management;*
>>
>> IGF Secretariat should not run duplicative processes for stakeholder
>> nominations (such as was the case with the nominations for this IGF
>> Retreat). Either a centralised process (where all candidates submit via
>> IGF, and all nominations are then provided to stakeholder groups for
>> assessment at the closing date), or a decentralised process, where
>> stakeholder groups run their own processes (in accordance with 20(b) above)
>> should be run, but not both. Duplicative processes are confusing, require
>> candidates to submit twice, and results in differing sets of candidate
>> groups for assessment existing.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Sect  21 a) The process of selection of MAG members should be inclusive,
>> predictable, transparent and fully documented;*
>>
>> In respect of this, we submit:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.  More transparency is needed. We believe that, in the interests of
>> transparency, names and application details of all candidates for MAG
>> selection should be publicly known. Whether this should be at the close of
>> applications, or at the close of assessments, needs to be discussed further
>> in the light of detailed procedures. Note: This is not a privacy issue as
>> long as candidates are advised beforehand of this requirement.
>>
>> This requirement will assist with overall assessment of candidates by
>> stakeholder groups, as well as in identifying candidates who have applied
>> via separate organisations.  We suggest this requirement be included when
>> stakeholder groups provide their own processes, and also if a more
>> centralised process is run via IGF Secretariat.
>>
>> 2. We also suggest that recommendations from stakeholder groups to IGF
>> Secretariat should be publicly available.
>>
>> 3. Stakeholder procedures for making selections should also be publicly
>> available. (CSCG’s current procedures can be found at
>> http://www.internetgov-cs.org/procedures)
>>
>> These recommendations are based on the best practice we have observed
>> with other organisations in selecting multistakeholder representatives. We
>> offer the above suggestions in the spirit of co-operation with you, as we
>> also want to see the best possible representation of stakeholders. And
>> again, we offer our services to work with you and other stakeholder groups
>> to refine procedures to ensure more acceptable, transparent and
>> representative results.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Ian Peter – Independent Chair, Internet Governance Civil Society
>> Coordination Group (CSCG)
>>
>>
>>
>> *SUMMARY OF RECOMMENDATIONS*
>>
>> *We recommend the establishment of a small Multistakeholder Working
>> Group, including representatives of Civil Society Coordination Group
>> (CSCG), Internet Technical Collaboration Group (ITCG) and International
>> Chamber of Commerce ( ICC/BASIS),  to work with UNDESA to refine procedures
>> for MAG nominations and similar processes.   *
>>
>> *We recommend a simultaneous phone hookup with representatives of
>> stakeholder groups to discuss final balance issues (including overall
>> gender and geographical representation).*
>>
>> *We recommend that you insist that each individual stakeholder group, and
>> particularly governments, must address gender equality within their
>> constituency.*
>>
>> *We recommend that IGF Secretariat should not run duplicative processes
>> for stakeholder nominations (such as was the case with the nominations for
>> this IGF Retreat). Either a centralised process (where all candidates
>> submit via IGF, and all nominations are then provided to stakeholder groups
>> for assessment at the closing date), or a decentralised process, where
>> stakeholder groups run their own processes should be run, but not both.*
>>
>> *We recommend that in the interests of transparency, names and
>> application details of all candidates for MAG selection should be publicly
>> known. This requirement should also be included when stakeholder groups
>> provide their own processes, and also if a more centralised process is run
>> via IGF Secretariat.*
>>
>> *Recommendations from stakeholder groups to the IGF Secretariat should be
>> publicly available, as well as stakeholder procedures for making selections
>> .*
>>
>>
>>
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From arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr  Wed Jun 29 03:31:10 2016
From: arsenebaguma at yahoo.fr (Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo))
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 07:31:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [governance] Fw: IGF Retreat Submission from CSCG
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Dear Ian,Thanks for sharing with the list.
 Dear Srajukanumuri,Thanks for sharing your concern and to give a picture of the need in a country like India. I am not sure I clearly understand your concern and would appreciate you elaborate more so that we can help adress it better. 
Hope Ian or any other person will be able to chim in and provide inputs or clarification.
Dear Akinremi,Is Africa a country? Can we compare the case of a single country like India (considering you referred to it) to a whole continent like Africa? Please do elaborate as well to move the debate.

Thanks,A
  ------------------------------------------------------Arsène Tungali,IGC Co-Coordinator,
Co-founder & Executive Director, Rudi InternationalFacebook - Twitter - LinkedInInternet Governance - Blogger - ISOC Ambassador - ICANN Fellow - Child Online Protection Evangelist.
Democratic Republic of Congo 

    Le Mercredi 29 juin 2016 8h12, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com> a écrit :
 

 So do other countries e.g Africa.On Jun 29, 2016 6:56 AM, "srajukanumuri" <srajukanumuri at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Iani Pater sir ,
 thanks for your feed back. Based on your frame work big countries like India have different states and different governments with different type of  civil society groups different type of multi stake holders and different type of communities with different languages they speak with different type socio economic issues with different type areas etc. In order to reach with common Internet governance forum it will become complicated and so many hurdles will come . Order make our efforts strong we can divide based on country , state region and areas of governance of model  with all stake holder representation.    Good day to you ksraju

" We Connect human contacts "
" We  make net to think and act " 
" Survival is h-commerce -human  commerce or human knowledge commerce based on Bartering of knowledge Globally with out money as instrument "



On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:

Below is the text of the submission sent by CSCG to the IGF Planning Retreat. In accordance with our mission it concentrates heavily on improving processes for stakeholder selection. Ian Peter  Dear IGF Secretariat, I am pleased to submit this contribution for your planning retreat on behalf of the Internet Governance Civil Society Co-ordination Group (CSCG). CSCG exists solely to ensure a coordinated civil society response and conduit when it comes to making civil society appointments to outside bodies. It comprises representatives of the coalition members of the Association for Progressive Communications, Best Bits, Internet Governance Caucus, Just Net Coalition, and Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN. Together the reach of these groups extends to many hundreds of non-governmental organisations, as well as a much greater number of individuals. 
In line with our mandate, this submission concentrates specifically on improving the nomination process and make-up of the Multistakeholder Advisory Group (MAG).
As you know, this has been the subject of some concerns with stakeholder groups, and we believe that these concerns should be addressed. In order to do this, we recommend the establishment of a small Multistakeholder Working Group, including representatives of Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG), Internet Technical Collaboration Group (ITCG) and International Chamber of Commerce ( ICC/BASIS),  working with UNDESA to refine procedures and resolve some of these difficulties.  We feel sure that by working together we can develop procedures which improve stakeholder representation – and therefore the overall efficiency of the IGF. We commend this recommendation to you.
But in the meantime, and additionally, we refer to the recommendations of the Working Group on Improvements to the IGF, later endorsed by the UN General Assembly, which include 3 sections of relevance to this process. Our suggestions relating to these appear below.
Sect 20(a) The three non-governmental stakeholder groups should propose lists of candidates that should be balanced, including in terms of gender distribution and in reflecting the diversity of geographical distribution. This will enable a wide range of diversity within the MAG, especially those groups which have been underrepresented in the MAG, and will be sufficiently large to provide some flexibility when selecting MAG members;
In finalising representation and providing the flexibility referred to above, we understand that, in addition to balance within each stakeholder group, you wish to ensure that you achieve the best possible gender and geographic balance across stakeholder groups; of course we agree with this objective.  But your process for doing this in the past has been to make final selections within UNDESA  without further consultation with stakeholder groups. This can sometimes be problematic, as you cannot possibly be aware of the ramifications of some such choices within stakeholder groups.The way other organisations have handled this is to arrange a simultaneous phone hookup with representatives of stakeholder groups to discuss such final balance issues. You will find that we actually work quite well together in such circumstances, and we believe that the results will be more acceptable to stakeholder groups if this quick final consultation is included.
Additionally, we believe  you need to address the issue that certain stakeholder groups have a long history of submitting names to you dominated by male candidates: and that as a result civil society nominations are often adjusted to include more women and get better gender balance overall.  That does nothing to address the problem of discrimination against women in those stakeholder groups where there is discrimination against women; it only creates a false perception of gender balance which will, if it has any effect at all, contribute to those problems not getting addressed. Furthermore, it makes it far more difficult for male candidates from civil society to be included. We suggest that you insist that each individual stakeholder group, and particularly governments, must address gender equality within their constituency. Sect 20(b) Stakeholder groups should identify and publicize the process which works best for their own culture and methods of engagement and which will ensure their self-management;
IGF Secretariat should not run duplicative processes for stakeholder nominations (such as was the case with the nominations for this IGF Retreat). Either a centralised process (where all candidates submit via IGF, and all nominations are then provided to stakeholder groups for assessment at the closing date), or a decentralised process, where stakeholder groups run their own processes (in accordance with 20(b) above) should be run, but not both. Duplicative processes are confusing, require candidates to submit twice, and results in differing sets of candidate groups for assessment existing. Sect  21 a) The process of selection of MAG members should be inclusive, predictable, transparent and fully documented;
In respect of this, we submit: 1.  More transparency is needed. We believe that, in the interests of transparency, names and application details of all candidates for MAG selection should be publicly known. Whether this should be at the close of applications, or at the close of assessments, needs to be discussed further in the light of detailed procedures. Note: This is not a privacy issue as long as candidates are advised beforehand of this requirement.
This requirement will assist with overall assessment of candidates by stakeholder groups, as well as in identifying candidates who have applied via separate organisations.  We suggest this requirement be included when stakeholder groups provide their own processes, and also if a more centralised process is run via IGF Secretariat.2. We also suggest that recommendations from stakeholder groups to IGF Secretariat should be publicly available.
3. Stakeholder procedures for making selections should also be publicly available. (CSCG’s current procedures can be found at http://www.internetgov-cs.org/procedures)
These recommendations are based on the best practice we have observed with other organisations in selecting multistakeholder representatives. We offer the above suggestions in the spirit of co-operation with you, as we also want to see the best possible representation of stakeholders. And again, we offer our services to work with you and other stakeholder groups to refine procedures to ensure more acceptable, transparent and representative results.Sincerely,Ian Peter – Independent Chair, Internet Governance Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) SUMMARY OF RECOMMENDATIONS
We recommend the establishment of a small Multistakeholder Working Group, including representatives of Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG), Internet Technical Collaboration Group (ITCG) and International Chamber of Commerce ( ICC/BASIS),  to work with UNDESA to refine procedures for MAG nominations and similar processes.   
We recommend a simultaneous phone hookup with representatives of stakeholder groups to discuss final balance issues (including overall gender and geographical representation).
We recommend that you insist that each individual stakeholder group, and particularly governments, must address gender equality within their constituency.
We recommend that IGF Secretariat should not run duplicative processes for stakeholder nominations (such as was the case with the nominations for this IGF Retreat). Either a centralised process (where all candidates submit via IGF, and all nominations are then provided to stakeholder groups for assessment at the closing date), or a decentralised process, where stakeholder groups run their own processes should be run, but not both.
We recommend that in the interests of transparency, names and application details of all candidates for MAG selection should be publicly known. This requirement should also be included when stakeholder groups provide their own processes, and also if a more centralised process is run via IGF Secretariat.
Recommendations from stakeholder groups to the IGF Secretariat should be publicly available, as well as stakeholder procedures for making selections .

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From compsoftnet at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 06:32:14 2016
From: compsoftnet at gmail.com (Akinremi Peter Taiwo)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 11:32:14 +0100
Subject: [governance] Fw: IGF Retreat Submission from CSCG
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@Arsene. Oh so sorry for mentioning Africa. Mistake please. Wanted to say
Nigeria with different states and languages as well as diversity but can't
compare her with India.

Hope you understand !
On Jun 29, 2016 6:56 AM, "srajukanumuri" <srajukanumuri at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Mr Iani Pater sir ,
>
>  thanks for your feed back. Based on your frame work big countries like
> India have different states and different governments with different type
> of
>  civil society groups different type of multi stake holders and different
> type of communities with different languages they speak with different type
>  socio economic issues with different type areas etc. In order to reach
> with common Internet governance forum it will become complicated and
>  so many hurdles will come . Order make our efforts strong we can divide
> based on country , state region and areas of governance of model
>  with all stake holder representation.
>
>  Good day to you
>  ksraju
>
>
> " We Connect human contacts "
> " We  make net to think and act "
> " Survival is h-commerce -human  commerce or human knowledge commerce
> based on Bartering of knowledge Globally with out money as instrument "
>
>
> <http://www.ourgreenindia.com>
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Below is the text of the submission sent by CSCG to the IGF Planning
>> Retreat. In accordance with our mission it concentrates heavily on
>> improving processes for stakeholder selection.
>>
>> Ian Peter
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear IGF Secretariat,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am pleased to submit this contribution for your planning retreat on
>> behalf of the Internet Governance Civil Society Co-ordination Group (CSCG).
>> CSCG exists solely to ensure a coordinated civil society response and
>> conduit when it comes to making civil society appointments to outside
>> bodies. It comprises representatives of the coalition members of the
>> Association for Progressive Communications, Best Bits, Internet Governance
>> Caucus, Just Net Coalition, and Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN.
>> Together the reach of these groups extends to many hundreds of
>> non-governmental organisations, as well as a much greater number of
>> individuals.
>>
>> In line with our mandate, this submission concentrates specifically on
>> improving the nomination process and make-up of the Multistakeholder
>> Advisory Group (MAG).
>>
>> As you know, this has been the subject of some concerns with stakeholder
>> groups, and we believe that these concerns should be addressed. In order to
>> do this, we recommend the establishment of a small Multistakeholder Working
>> Group, including representatives of Civil Society Coordination Group
>> (CSCG), Internet Technical Collaboration Group (ITCG) and International
>> Chamber of Commerce ( ICC/BASIS),  working with UNDESA to refine procedures
>> and resolve some of these difficulties.  We feel sure that by working
>> together we can develop procedures which improve stakeholder representation
>> – and therefore the overall efficiency of the IGF. We commend this
>> recommendation to you.
>>
>> But in the meantime, and additionally, we refer to the recommendations of
>> the Working Group on Improvements to the IGF, later endorsed by the UN
>> General Assembly, which include 3 sections of relevance to this process.
>> Our suggestions relating to these appear below.
>>
>> *Sect 20(a) The three non-governmental stakeholder groups should propose
>> lists of candidates that should be balanced, including in terms of gender
>> distribution and in reflecting the diversity of geographical distribution.
>> This will enable a wide range of diversity within the MAG, especially those
>> groups which have been underrepresented in the MAG, and will be
>> sufficiently large to provide some flexibility when selecting MAG members;*
>>
>> In finalising representation and providing the flexibility referred to
>> above, we understand that, in addition to balance within each stakeholder
>> group, you wish to ensure that you achieve the best possible gender and
>> geographic balance across stakeholder groups; of course we agree with this
>> objective.  But your process for doing this in the past has been to make
>> final selections within UNDESA  without further consultation with
>> stakeholder groups. This can sometimes be problematic, as you cannot
>> possibly be aware of the ramifications of some such choices within
>> stakeholder groups.
>>
>> The way other organisations have handled this is to arrange a
>> simultaneous phone hookup with representatives of stakeholder groups to
>> discuss such final balance issues. You will find that we actually work
>> quite well together in such circumstances, and we believe that the results
>> will be more acceptable to stakeholder groups if this quick final
>> consultation is included.
>>
>> Additionally, we believe  you need to address the issue that certain
>> stakeholder groups have a long history of submitting names to you dominated
>> by male candidates: and that as a result civil society nominations are
>> often adjusted to include more women and get better gender balance
>> overall.  That does nothing to address the problem of discrimination
>> against women in those stakeholder groups where there is discrimination
>> against women; it only creates a false perception of gender balance which
>> will, if it has any effect at all, contribute to those problems not getting
>> addressed. Furthermore, it makes it far more difficult for male candidates
>> from civil society to be included. We suggest that you insist that each
>> individual stakeholder group, and particularly governments, must address
>> gender equality within their constituency.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Sect 20(b) Stakeholder groups should identify and publicize the process
>> which works best for their own culture and methods of engagement and which
>> will ensure their self-management;*
>>
>> IGF Secretariat should not run duplicative processes for stakeholder
>> nominations (such as was the case with the nominations for this IGF
>> Retreat). Either a centralised process (where all candidates submit via
>> IGF, and all nominations are then provided to stakeholder groups for
>> assessment at the closing date), or a decentralised process, where
>> stakeholder groups run their own processes (in accordance with 20(b) above)
>> should be run, but not both. Duplicative processes are confusing, require
>> candidates to submit twice, and results in differing sets of candidate
>> groups for assessment existing.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Sect  21 a) The process of selection of MAG members should be inclusive,
>> predictable, transparent and fully documented;*
>>
>> In respect of this, we submit:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.  More transparency is needed. We believe that, in the interests of
>> transparency, names and application details of all candidates for MAG
>> selection should be publicly known. Whether this should be at the close of
>> applications, or at the close of assessments, needs to be discussed further
>> in the light of detailed procedures. Note: This is not a privacy issue as
>> long as candidates are advised beforehand of this requirement.
>>
>> This requirement will assist with overall assessment of candidates by
>> stakeholder groups, as well as in identifying candidates who have applied
>> via separate organisations.  We suggest this requirement be included when
>> stakeholder groups provide their own processes, and also if a more
>> centralised process is run via IGF Secretariat.
>>
>> 2. We also suggest that recommendations from stakeholder groups to IGF
>> Secretariat should be publicly available.
>>
>> 3. Stakeholder procedures for making selections should also be publicly
>> available. (CSCG’s current procedures can be found at
>> http://www.internetgov-cs.org/procedures)
>>
>> These recommendations are based on the best practice we have observed
>> with other organisations in selecting multistakeholder representatives. We
>> offer the above suggestions in the spirit of co-operation with you, as we
>> also want to see the best possible representation of stakeholders. And
>> again, we offer our services to work with you and other stakeholder groups
>> to refine procedures to ensure more acceptable, transparent and
>> representative results.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Ian Peter – Independent Chair, Internet Governance Civil Society
>> Coordination Group (CSCG)
>>
>>
>>
>> *SUMMARY OF RECOMMENDATIONS*
>>
>> *We recommend the establishment of a small Multistakeholder Working
>> Group, including representatives of Civil Society Coordination Group
>> (CSCG), Internet Technical Collaboration Group (ITCG) and International
>> Chamber of Commerce ( ICC/BASIS),  to work with UNDESA to refine procedures
>> for MAG nominations and similar processes.   *
>>
>> *We recommend a simultaneous phone hookup with representatives of
>> stakeholder groups to discuss final balance issues (including overall
>> gender and geographical representation).*
>>
>> *We recommend that you insist that each individual stakeholder group, and
>> particularly governments, must address gender equality within their
>> constituency.*
>>
>> *We recommend that IGF Secretariat should not run duplicative processes
>> for stakeholder nominations (such as was the case with the nominations for
>> this IGF Retreat). Either a centralised process (where all candidates
>> submit via IGF, and all nominations are then provided to stakeholder groups
>> for assessment at the closing date), or a decentralised process, where
>> stakeholder groups run their own processes should be run, but not both.*
>>
>> *We recommend that in the interests of transparency, names and
>> application details of all candidates for MAG selection should be publicly
>> known. This requirement should also be included when stakeholder groups
>> provide their own processes, and also if a more centralised process is run
>> via IGF Secretariat.*
>>
>> *Recommendations from stakeholder groups to the IGF Secretariat should be
>> publicly available, as well as stakeholder procedures for making selections
>> .*
>>
>>
>>
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From fulvio.frati at unimi.it  Wed Jun 29 10:47:07 2016
From: fulvio.frati at unimi.it (Fulvio Frati)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 16:47:07 +0200
Subject: [governance] [CFP] 6th Int. Symposium on Data-driven Process
 Discovery and Analysis (SIMPDA2016)
Message-ID: <00af01d1d215$1bb3f620$531be260$@unimi.it>

*** SIMPDA 2016 ***

[Apologies if you receive multiple copies of this CFP]
****************************************************************************
*****************
SIXTH INTERNATIONAL SYMPOSIUM ON DATA-DRIVEN PROCESS DISCOVERY AND ANALYSIS
(SIMPDA2016)
14-16 DECEMBER, 2016 - GRAZ, AUSTRIA

http://simpda2016.di.unimi.it
****************************************************************************
*****************

## About SIMPDA
With the increasing automation of business processes, growing amounts of
process data become available. This opens new research opportunities for
business process data analysis, mining and modeling. The aim of the IFIP 2.6
International Symposium on Data-Driven Process Discovery and Analysis is to
offer a forum where researchers from different communities and the industry
can share their insight in this hot new field.
The Symposium will feature a number of keynotes illustrating advanced
approaches, shorter presentations on recent research, a competitive PhD
seminar and selected research and industrial demonstrations. This year the
symposium will be held in Graz.

## Call for Papers
The IFIP International Symposium on Data-Driven Process Discovery and
Analysis (SIMPDA 2016) offers a unique opportunity to present new approaches
and research results to researchers and practitioners working in business
process data modelling, representation and privacy-aware analysis.
The symposium will bring together leading researchers, engineers and
scientists from around the world. Full papers must not exceed 15 pages.
Short papers are limited to at most 4 pages. All papers must be original
contributions, not previously published or under review for publication
elsewhere. All contributions must be written in English and must follow the
LNCS Springer Verlag format. Templates can be downloaded from:
http://www.springer.de/comp/lncs/authors.html
Accepted papers will be published in a pre-proceeding volume of CEUR
workshop series. The authors of the accepted papers will be invited to
submit extended articles to a post-symposium proceedings volume which will
be published in the LNBIP series (Lecture Notes in Business Information
Processing, http://www.springer.com/series/7911), scheduled for late 2017
(extended papers length will be between 7000 and 9000 words). Around 10-15
papers will be selected for publication after a second round of review.

### Topics
Topics of interest for submission include, but are not limited to:

* Business Process Modeling languages, notations and methods
* Lightweight Process Model
* Data-aware and data-centric approaches
* Process Mining with Big Data
* Variability and configuration of process models
* Process simulation and static analyses
* Process data query languages
* Process data mining
* Privacy-aware process data mining
* Process metadata and semantic reasoning
* Process patterns and standards
* Foundations of business process models
* Resource management in business process execution
* Process tracing and monitoring
* Process change management and evolution
* Business process lifecycle
* Case studies and experience reports
* Social process discovery
* Crowdsourced process definition and discovery

### Workshop Format:
In accordance to our historical tradition of proposing SIMPDA as a
symposium, we propose an innovative format for this workshop:
The number of sessions depend on the number of submissions but, considering
the previous editions, we envisage to have four sessions, with 4-5 related
papers assigned to each session. A special session (with a specific review
process) will be dedicated to discuss research plan from PhD students.
Papers are pre-circulated to the authors that will be expected to read all
papers in advance but to avoid exceptional overhead, two are assigned to be
prepared with particular care,  making ready comments and suggestions. 
The bulk of the time during each session will be dedicated to open
conversations about all of the papers in a given session, along with any
linkages to the papers and discussions within an earlier session. 
The closing session (30 minutes), will include a panel about open challenges
during which every participant will be asked to assemble their
thoughts/project ideas/goals/etc
 that they got out of the workshop.

### Call for PhD Research Plans
The SIMPDA PhD Seminar is a workshop for Ph.D. students from all over the
world. The goal of the Seminar is to help students with their thesis and
research plans by providing feedback and general advice on how to use their
research results.
Students interested in participating in the Seminar should submit an
extended abstract describing their research. Submissions can relate to any
aspect of Process Data: technical advances, usage and impact studies, policy
analyses, social and institutional implications, theoretical contributions,
interaction and design advances, innovative applications, and social
implications.

Research plans should be at most of 5 page long and should be organised
following the following structure: 

* Abstract: summarises, in 5 line, the research aims and significance.
* Research Question: defines what will be accomplished by eliciting the
relevant the research questions.
* Background: defines the background knowledge providing the 5 most relevant
references (papers or books).
* Significance: explains the relevance of the general topic and of the
specific contribution.
* Research design and methods: describes and motivates the method adopted
focusing on: assumptions, solutions, data sources, validation of results,
limitations of the approach.
* Research stage: describes what the student has done so far.

### SIMPDA PhD award
A doctoral award will be given by the SIMPDA PhD Jury to the best research
plan submitted.
Student Scholarships
An application for a limited number of scholarships aimed at students coming
from emerging countries has been submitted to IFIP.
In order to apply, please contact paolo.ceravolo at unimi.it

### CALL for Demonstrations and Posters
Demonstrations showcase innovative technology and applications, allowing for
sharing research work directly with colleagues in a high-visibility setting.
Demonstration proposals should consist of a title, an extended abstract, and
contact information for the authors, and should not exceed 10 pages.
Posters allow the presentation of late-breaking results in an informal,
interactive manner. Poster proposals should consist of a title, an extended
abstract, contact information for the authors, and should not exceed 2
pages.
Accepted demonstrations and posters will be presented at the symposium.
Abstracts will appear in the proceedings.

### Important Dates

- Submission of Full Papers: 			October 4th 2016
- Submission of PhD Research Plans: 	October 4th 2016
- Notification of Acceptance: 			November 7th 2016
- Submission of Camera Ready Papers: 	November 21th 2016
- Post-proceeding submissions:			March 30th 2017

## Keynote Speakers

### DATA-DRIVEN PROCESS DISCOVERY: WHAT HAS THE WEB TO OFFER?

*MARKUS LANTHALER*
*SOFTWARE ENGINEER AT GOOGLE*
*CREATOR OF JSON-LD AND HYDRA*

Even though the vision of paperless offices is still largely an utopia, a
large number of processes have already been digitalised in recent years.
While this shift was traditionally driven by the usage of, e.g., enterprise
resource planning (ERP) or customer relationship management (CRM) systems,
it increasingly moves into more lightweight and less formal contexts.
Increasing smartphone adoption, fast and affordable internet access across
the globe and investments in the Internet of Things, to only name a few
development we currently see, will only accelerate this development.
Thus, challenges like the effective discovery of ad-hoc processes, their
subsequent execution, and the analysis of the resulting artefacts across
systems will need to be addressed. This keynote gives a different
perspective on the aforementioned issues by drawing parallels to promising
approaches that try to tackle similar problems at web-scale.

## Organizers
### CHAIRS 

- Paolo Ceravolo, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy
- Christian Guetl, Graz University of Technology, Austria
- Stefanie Rinderle-Ma, University of Vienna, Austria
 
### ADVISORY BOARD 
- Ernesto Damiani, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy
- Erich Neuhold, University of Vienna, Austria
- Maurice van Keulen, University of Twente, The Netherlands
- Philippe Cudré-Mauroux , University of Fribourg, Switzerland
- Robert Meersman, Graz University of Technology, Austria
- Wilfried Grossmann, University of Vienna, Austria

### Program Committee
- AKHIL KUMAR PENN STATE UNIVERSITY, USA
- ANDREA BURATTIN UNIVERSITY OF INNSBRUCK, AUSTRIA
- BABIGA BIRREGAH UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY OF TROYES, FRANCE
- BENOIT DEPAIRE UNIVERSITY OF HASSELT, BELGIUM
- CHINTAN MRIT UNIVERSITY OF TWENTE, THE NETHERLANDS
- CHRISTOPHE DEBRUYNE TRINITY COLLEGE DUBLIN, IRELAND
- DETLEF NAUCK BRITISH TELECOM RESEARCH, UK
- EBRAHIM BAGHERI RYERSON UNIVERSITY, CANADA
- EDGAR WEIPPL TU VIENNA, AUSTRIA
- HARIS MOURATIDIS UNIVERSITY OF BRIGHTON
- HELEN BALINSKY HEWLETT-PACKARD LABORATORIES, UK
- JAN MENDLING VIENNA UNIVERSITY OF ECONOMICS AND BUSINESS, AUSTRIA
- JANEZ HRASTNIK AMIS TELECOMMUNICATIONS, SLOVENIA
- JOSEP CARMONA UPC - BARCELONA, SPAIN
- MARCELLO LEIDA TAIGER, SPAIN
- MASSIMILIANO DE LEONI EINDHOVEN TU, NETHERLANDS
- MATTHIAS WEIDLICH IMPERIAL COLLEGE, UK
- MAURICE VAN KEULEN UNIVERSITY OF TWENTE, THE NETHERLANDS
- MEIKO JENSEN RUHR-UNI_VER_SI_TY BO_CHUM, GERMANY
- MOHAMED MOSBAH UNIVERSITY OF BORDEAUX
- PNINA SOFFER UNIVERSITY OF HAIFA, ISRAEL
- ROBERT SINGER FH JOANNEUM, AUSTRIA
- ROLAND RIEKE FRAUNHOFER SIT, GERMANY
- THOMAS VOGELGESANG UNIVERSITY OF OLDENBURG, GERMANY
- WIL VAN DER AALST TECHNISCHE UNIVERSITEIT EINDHOVEN, THE NETHERLANDS
- MARK STREMBECK WU VIENNA, AUSTRIA
- MARIA LEITNER AUSTRIAN INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, AUSTRIA
- THERESIA GSCHWANDTNER VIENNA UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY, AUSTRIA

## Historical Information on Previous Editions

SIMPDA was proposed in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 by IFIP WG 2.6 and
2.12/12.4 as the International Symposium on Data-Driven Process Discovery
and Analysis. 
The symposium had around 30 attendees in 2011 and 20 in 2012. It featured a
number of keynotes illustrating new approaches, shorter presentations on
recent research, and a competitive PhD seminar, together with selected
research and industrial demonstrations. The authors of the accepted papers
have been invited to submit extended articles to a post-symposium
proceedings volume published in the Springer LNBIP series.
Several events and activities arose off these symposia, among the most
notables we have two Dagstuhl seminars: 

* Dagstuhl Seminar on Semantic Challenges in Sensor Networks, January 24-29,
2010.
* Dagstuhl Seminar on Unleashing Operational Process Mining, November 24-29,
2010. 






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From jaryn56 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 11:54:09 2016
From: jaryn56 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgRsOpbGl4IEFyaWFzIFluY2hl?=)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 10:54:09 -0500
Subject: [governance] Fw: IGF Retreat Submission from CSCG
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alguna vez hable sobre la sección 20, hoy me siento que tuve razón,
siento que hay intereses para que esta propuesta no se lleve a cabo:
Sección 20 (a) Los tres grupos de actores no gubernamentales debería
proponer listas de candidatos que deben ser equilibrados, incluso en
términos de la distribución de género y en reflejar la diversidad de
la distribución geográfica.
Esto permitirá una amplia gama de diversidad dentro del MAG, en
especial aquellos grupos que han sido poco representados en el MAG, y
será lo suficientemente grande como para proporcionar una cierta
flexibilidad al seleccionar los miembros del MAG;


Cordialmente:                 José Félix Arias Ynche
                        Investigador Social Para El Desarrollo Sostenible


2016-06-29 5:32 GMT-05:00 Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com>:
> @Arsene. Oh so sorry for mentioning Africa. Mistake please. Wanted to say
> Nigeria with different states and languages as well as diversity but can't
> compare her with India.
>
> Hope you understand !
>
> On Jun 29, 2016 6:56 AM, "srajukanumuri" <srajukanumuri at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Mr Iani Pater sir ,
>>
>>  thanks for your feed back. Based on your frame work big countries like
>> India have different states and different governments with different type of
>>  civil society groups different type of multi stake holders and different
>> type of communities with different languages they speak with different type
>>  socio economic issues with different type areas etc. In order to reach
>> with common Internet governance forum it will become complicated and
>>  so many hurdles will come . Order make our efforts strong we can divide
>> based on country , state region and areas of governance of model
>>  with all stake holder representation.
>>
>>  Good day to you
>>  ksraju
>>
>>
>> " We Connect human contacts "
>> " We  make net to think and act "
>> " Survival is h-commerce -human  commerce or human knowledge commerce
>> based on Bartering of knowledge Globally with out money as instrument "
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Below is the text of the submission sent by CSCG to the IGF Planning
>>> Retreat. In accordance with our mission it concentrates heavily on improving
>>> processes for stakeholder selection.
>>>
>>> Ian Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear IGF Secretariat,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am pleased to submit this contribution for your planning retreat on
>>> behalf of the Internet Governance Civil Society Co-ordination Group (CSCG).
>>> CSCG exists solely to ensure a coordinated civil society response and
>>> conduit when it comes to making civil society appointments to outside
>>> bodies. It comprises representatives of the coalition members of the
>>> Association for Progressive Communications, Best Bits, Internet Governance
>>> Caucus, Just Net Coalition, and Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN.
>>> Together the reach of these groups extends to many hundreds of
>>> non-governmental organisations, as well as a much greater number of
>>> individuals.
>>>
>>>
>>> In line with our mandate, this submission concentrates specifically on
>>> improving the nomination process and make-up of the Multistakeholder
>>> Advisory Group (MAG).
>>>
>>>
>>> As you know, this has been the subject of some concerns with stakeholder
>>> groups, and we believe that these concerns should be addressed. In order to
>>> do this, we recommend the establishment of a small Multistakeholder Working
>>> Group, including representatives of Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG),
>>> Internet Technical Collaboration Group (ITCG) and International Chamber of
>>> Commerce ( ICC/BASIS),  working with UNDESA to refine procedures and resolve
>>> some of these difficulties.  We feel sure that by working together we can
>>> develop procedures which improve stakeholder representation – and therefore
>>> the overall efficiency of the IGF. We commend this recommendation to you.
>>>
>>>
>>> But in the meantime, and additionally, we refer to the recommendations of
>>> the Working Group on Improvements to the IGF, later endorsed by the UN
>>> General Assembly, which include 3 sections of relevance to this process. Our
>>> suggestions relating to these appear below.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sect 20(a) The three non-governmental stakeholder groups should propose
>>> lists of candidates that should be balanced, including in terms of gender
>>> distribution and in reflecting the diversity of geographical distribution.
>>> This will enable a wide range of diversity within the MAG, especially those
>>> groups which have been underrepresented in the MAG, and will be sufficiently
>>> large to provide some flexibility when selecting MAG members;
>>>
>>>
>>> In finalising representation and providing the flexibility referred to
>>> above, we understand that, in addition to balance within each stakeholder
>>> group, you wish to ensure that you achieve the best possible gender and
>>> geographic balance across stakeholder groups; of course we agree with this
>>> objective.  But your process for doing this in the past has been to make
>>> final selections within UNDESA  without further consultation with
>>> stakeholder groups. This can sometimes be problematic, as you cannot
>>> possibly be aware of the ramifications of some such choices within
>>> stakeholder groups.
>>>
>>> The way other organisations have handled this is to arrange a
>>> simultaneous phone hookup with representatives of stakeholder groups to
>>> discuss such final balance issues. You will find that we actually work quite
>>> well together in such circumstances, and we believe that the results will be
>>> more acceptable to stakeholder groups if this quick final consultation is
>>> included.
>>>
>>>
>>> Additionally, we believe  you need to address the issue that certain
>>> stakeholder groups have a long history of submitting names to you dominated
>>> by male candidates: and that as a result civil society nominations are often
>>> adjusted to include more women and get better gender balance overall.  That
>>> does nothing to address the problem of discrimination against women in those
>>> stakeholder groups where there is discrimination against women; it only
>>> creates a false perception of gender balance which will, if it has any
>>> effect at all, contribute to those problems not getting addressed.
>>> Furthermore, it makes it far more difficult for male candidates from civil
>>> society to be included. We suggest that you insist that each individual
>>> stakeholder group, and particularly governments, must address gender
>>> equality within their constituency.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sect 20(b) Stakeholder groups should identify and publicize the process
>>> which works best for their own culture and methods of engagement and which
>>> will ensure their self-management;
>>>
>>>
>>> IGF Secretariat should not run duplicative processes for stakeholder
>>> nominations (such as was the case with the nominations for this IGF
>>> Retreat). Either a centralised process (where all candidates submit via IGF,
>>> and all nominations are then provided to stakeholder groups for assessment
>>> at the closing date), or a decentralised process, where stakeholder groups
>>> run their own processes (in accordance with 20(b) above) should be run, but
>>> not both. Duplicative processes are confusing, require candidates to submit
>>> twice, and results in differing sets of candidate groups for assessment
>>> existing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sect  21 a) The process of selection of MAG members should be inclusive,
>>> predictable, transparent and fully documented;
>>>
>>>
>>> In respect of this, we submit:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.  More transparency is needed. We believe that, in the interests of
>>> transparency, names and application details of all candidates for MAG
>>> selection should be publicly known. Whether this should be at the close of
>>> applications, or at the close of assessments, needs to be discussed further
>>> in the light of detailed procedures. Note: This is not a privacy issue as
>>> long as candidates are advised beforehand of this requirement.
>>>
>>>
>>> This requirement will assist with overall assessment of candidates by
>>> stakeholder groups, as well as in identifying candidates who have applied
>>> via separate organisations.  We suggest this requirement be included when
>>> stakeholder groups provide their own processes, and also if a more
>>> centralised process is run via IGF Secretariat.
>>>
>>> 2. We also suggest that recommendations from stakeholder groups to IGF
>>> Secretariat should be publicly available.
>>>
>>>
>>> 3. Stakeholder procedures for making selections should also be publicly
>>> available. (CSCG’s current procedures can be found at
>>> http://www.internetgov-cs.org/procedures)
>>>
>>>
>>> These recommendations are based on the best practice we have observed
>>> with other organisations in selecting multistakeholder representatives. We
>>> offer the above suggestions in the spirit of co-operation with you, as we
>>> also want to see the best possible representation of stakeholders. And
>>> again, we offer our services to work with you and other stakeholder groups
>>> to refine procedures to ensure more acceptable, transparent and
>>> representative results.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Ian Peter – Independent Chair, Internet Governance Civil Society
>>> Coordination Group (CSCG)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> SUMMARY OF RECOMMENDATIONS
>>>
>>>
>>> We recommend the establishment of a small Multistakeholder Working Group,
>>> including representatives of Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG),
>>> Internet Technical Collaboration Group (ITCG) and International Chamber of
>>> Commerce ( ICC/BASIS),  to work with UNDESA to refine procedures for MAG
>>> nominations and similar processes.
>>>
>>>
>>> We recommend a simultaneous phone hookup with representatives of
>>> stakeholder groups to discuss final balance issues (including overall gender
>>> and geographical representation).
>>>
>>>
>>> We recommend that you insist that each individual stakeholder group, and
>>> particularly governments, must address gender equality within their
>>> constituency.
>>>
>>>
>>> We recommend that IGF Secretariat should not run duplicative processes
>>> for stakeholder nominations (such as was the case with the nominations for
>>> this IGF Retreat). Either a centralised process (where all candidates submit
>>> via IGF, and all nominations are then provided to stakeholder groups for
>>> assessment at the closing date), or a decentralised process, where
>>> stakeholder groups run their own processes should be run, but not both.
>>>
>>>
>>> We recommend that in the interests of transparency, names and application
>>> details of all candidates for MAG selection should be publicly known. This
>>> requirement should also be included when stakeholder groups provide their
>>> own processes, and also if a more centralised process is run via IGF
>>> Secretariat.
>>>
>>>
>>> Recommendations from stakeholder groups to the IGF Secretariat should be
>>> publicly available, as well as stakeholder procedures for making selections
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From Lee.HIBBARD at coe.int  Wed Jun 29 11:58:17 2016
From: Lee.HIBBARD at coe.int (HIBBARD Lee)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:58:17 +0000
Subject: [governance] Council of Europe - Call for Expression of Interest -
 policy guidance on empowering, protecting and supporting children in the
 digital environment
In-Reply-To: <6A0E017DCDD67B4F9566E1578A420C3FC23BA709@Asterix01.key.coe.int>
References: <6A0E017DCDD67B4F9566E1578A420C3FC23BA6FD@Asterix01.key.coe.int>
 <6A0E017DCDD67B4F9566E1578A420C3FC23BA709@Asterix01.key.coe.int>
Message-ID: <6A0E017DCDD67B4F9566E1578A420C3FC23BA717@Asterix01.key.coe.int>

Dear all,
Please find attached a call for expression of interest for the development of a background document for policy guidance on empowering, protecting and supporting children in the digital environment.
Please feel free to disseminate the call to suitable colleagues.
With best regards,
Lee Hibbard
on behalf ofThe Council of Europe Children's Rights Division
Council of Europe: www.coe.int/children<http://www.coe.int/children>


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