[governance] [bestbits] The decentralization of IP addresses

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Chantal Lebrument
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2015-11-28 7:18 GMT+01:00 David Cake <dave at difference.com.au>:

>
> > On 27 Nov 2015, at 4:49 AM, willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr at riseup.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The decentralization of IP addresses.
> >
> > We need a completely self-organizing Internet. And this is possible only
> through massive decentralization. We can look at the difficulties at the
> beginning of the Internet with tolerance. They were mostly of a technical
> nature. But today we have other conditions. And from these other conditions
> arise other possibilities.
> >
> > It is about the IP address. It is necessary to ensure that the packets
> find their direct route to their targets. The router work with numbers. We
> humans with text. The content is the same. Only the representation is
> different.
>
>         it is important to understand that names and numbers do not have a
> 1 to 1 correspondence. Rather, names are an abstraction layer that serves a
> number of purposes, and its generally a many to many relationship, but that
> doesn’t work quite the same way for all services.
>
> >
> > The Internet, a transport system for digital data in packet form, needs
> this destination address to forward the packets to their destinations can.
> The packets include this destination. With that, the packets are the
> instance to enable and orient the router.
> >
> > All transport systems operate on the basis of geographical processes. We
> transport from position A to position B. Consider. The transport of digital
> data They are comparable with boxes. In the case the data are. They do not
> care. Outside sticking a piece of paper with the source address,
> destination address and some information about the transport. These boxes
> are being made from the transport routes such as the cars and buses on the
> roads.
>
>         As Suresh said, please con’t confuse the Internet with the postal
> service. While the Internet has to eventually deliver to some physical
> destination somewhere, that this physical destination is mostly abstracted
> away from the way we use Internets naming and routing protocols is by
> design, and has many good reasons why it is so.
> >
> [snip large section of argument that the Internet should work like the
> postal service]
>
> > The local part of the IP address is always self-determined in the local
> network.
>
>         Are you referring to NAT? because not everyone uses NAT, and there
> are good reasons why it might be preferable not to use it for many people.
>
> > We do not need to know the schema of resolution outside of the local
> network. In the DNS request we also get this part.
> >
> > The decisive factor for this solution that we need in the future no
> Internet Governance.
>
>         Systems that are geographically based, like the postal and phone
> systems, involve a great deal of governance. Just ask the ITU. The main
> difference is that it is largely done by states. Why would your proposal be
> different?
>
> > No organizations that compete for the award of rights of IP addresses.
> No organizations whose livelihood is based on the sale of global IP
> addresses.
>
>         Why would states not compete for the award of rights of IP
> addresses if they were organised globally? Why do you wish to get rid of
> the RIRs? How do you think this relates to names, do you think that global
> generic (as opposed to country) names are a bad idea or is your proposal
> only for numbers?
>
>         You’ve suggested these ideas a few times before. They raise a lot
> of questions, and I think in general many of us would disagree with quite a
> few of your assumptions. It is always worth questioning even fairly basic
> assumptions, but I think your ideas are both misguided in their intent, and
> are based on some fairly basic misunderstandings of how the internet works.
>
>         Regards
>
>                 David
> >
> > With many greetings, willi
> > Coro, Venezuela
> >
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