[governance] [bestbits] update on Brazilian activists

[Mwendwa Kivuva]

Thank you Mawaki. That is my point of view too. Yesterday I heard a very
interesting quote "we knew we were doing the wrong thing, but nobody asked
us to stop".

Regards
Mwendwa Kivuva
On Nov 12, 2015 5:15 AM, "ymshana2003" <ymshana2003 at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1
> Nawaki Chango..
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Mawaki Chango
> Date:12/11/2015 09:38 (GMT+02:00)
> To: "Carlos A. Afonso"
> Cc: Felipe Sanches ,Internet Governance ,Renata Aquino Ribeiro ,BestBits
> list
> Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] update on Brazilian activists
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> N.B. I have read the posts that came after this one re opening up the
> rules to a multistakeholder process. But since they weren't posted to IGC
> list I'm replying at this level in the thread. Sorry for any confusion or
> inconvenience.
> --
>
> The argument in favor of banishing all forms of unscripted collective
> expression at a UN event is a bit strange, though. That the ability
> (right?) to protest must be subject to an organization's procedural rules
> defined by bureaucrats?
>
> To the best of my knowledge, the right for people to protest has never
> been gladly granted by any authority before they demanded it. And I thought
> protests in free societies were only expected to stand the test of
> legality, which is defined by national law (the fact that the venue of a UN
> event is considered a UN territory notwithstanding.) Even people protest
> illegally when the laws are unjust or illegitimate.
>
> In any case, it's obvious this rule needs some multistakeholder scrutiny
> for the good of the right to free and peaceful expression, including
> protests.
>
> Mawaki
> On Nov 11, 2015 3:50 PM, "Carlos Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
>
>> I do hope they do not. This caused a huge problem for all of us (civil
>> society here at the IGF). We had (event organizers, the BR gov, CGI.br)
>> a very hard time to have the UN revert the decision to reinstate the
>> credentials and not to suspend others.
>>
>> Now the UN is checking bags for "harmful or suspicious" content.
>>
>> There are several forms of advocacy and manifestation, and some may do
>> more harm than good. Unfortunately this was one case.
>>
>> Strangely enough, the rules are published in the IGF page (FAQs
>> section), and some CS people argued they did not know the rules because
>> they were not published.
>>
>> fraternal regards
>>
>> --c.a.
>>
>> On 11-11-15 12:32, Felipe Sanches wrote:
>> > Now I hope they raise their banners again :-)
>> >
>> > "Paz sem voz é medo" (Peace without voice is fear)
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro
>> > <raquino at gmail.com <mailto:raquino at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     Update on Brazilian activists banned from #IGF2015 Their badge has
>> >     been returned! UN has reconsidered the issue, thanks to all who
>> >     contributed w/ the negotiation
>> >
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