From willi.uebelherr at riseup.net Mon Nov 30 18:37:05 2015 From: willi.uebelherr at riseup.net (willi uebelherr) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:07:05 -0430 Subject: [governance] The decentralization of IP addresses In-Reply-To: References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> <5659E2F9.5040707@riseup.net> Message-ID: <565CDDA1.3050905@riseup.net> My dear Jefsey, i am so thankful for your answer. Independent of our differences, always you answer in a very constructive form. I read this RFC's. Yes, a very open space we find there. And i do not understand, why Brian Carpenter, the editor of the RFC 1958, attacked me so strong on the 1net.org list. You act like Wolfgang Kleinwaechter. We have differences, but we search the truth, the "simplicity" in the internet. And this is my experience in my life. People with a strong base in her knowledge are always able to reflect different opinions and methods. I thank also very much Jean-Christophe Nothias for his reflection of this discussion. I will you and all open friends in this lists explain a little bit, why i forced this discussion from May 2014 until today. And i will continue this discussion later. Since 5 years i live in Latin America. 2 years in Venezuela. Then 3 years i travel in latin America from Mexico to Chile/Argentina. Only Uruguay and Paraguay i don't visit. Therefore, i know the reality in Latin America. My experience correlate directly with 2 persons: Andre Gunder Frank: "Latin America, the development of underdevelopment". Eduardo Galeano: "The underdevelopment is not a step to development. The underdevelopment is a result of the development of others". Now, i come back to Venezuela 4 weeks before. Friends invited me to come to Coro in Falcon in the North of Venezuela. The situation is the same like 3 years ago. But we have an important change: The destruction of the illusion of stability based on the extractivism. The people now understand, that they have to change his way, if they want to have a future. We act on the base of the visionary part of Señor Hugo Chavez. On the 3 pole: - Independencia o Nada - Poder Popular o Nada - Comunas o Nada "o Nada" means "or Nothing". The independence is the base in this 3-pole. Because the independence rests always in the people, in the persons, our focus is the support for the people local to unfold her capacity in the theoretical and practical requirements. The political independence in principle is based on the independence in the economy. And the economy is based on the technical infrastructures and the independence in the technology. And because we speak about Venezuela, a network of distributed local communities, every form of independence is based on the local independence for this. This is the concept of Comunas, based on the Paris Comune and our history. The concrete entrypoint for us is the open and free internet for the free access to free knowledge and communication. We use it for all forms of telecommunication: page access, audio and video streaming. The result is an unique transportsystem for digital data for all types of information structures. The transport is organized in pakets without any "virtual connection". We do not need the TCP protocol. We connect directly to Louis Pouzin. Clear, in this time with analog systems and many different specification, the paket transfer of digital data with error checking was not possible. With mechanical relais and analog amplifiers you never can do this. I understand. And Vint Cerf, i think, understand it also. But what situation we have here? The telecommunication system is totally controlled from external private companies. Internal, the private and state companies are only departments of the external groups. Never you can find a University in Latin America, where the students can study. And never you find an environment to study the basics for telecommunication, computer architecture, material physic for the digital and analog moduls. You find consumer temples, training centers for using and service (exchange of parts). No more. The biggest blockades for the development comes from inside. The state. The organisation of Egoism and Parasitism. Clear, all state construction on our planet are parasitic. They use the biggest part of the ressources and create nothing. Only stupidness and destruction. And all state institution work for the rich private groups and never for the people. We start here with the internet. It is the most important instrument for the development of our independence. The development of our technical infrastructure and the independence in the technology. The internet is the space for a big challenge: The development, construction and fabrication of the technical components. And immediatly, we come to all spheres and technical requirements in our life. But with this base of technical infrastructures for the internet we have the bases in all other spaces. Here in Falcon, the second step is the stability of the water systems. And we come directly to the desalination of ocean water. And also for that we need the global cooperation in the free technology. The reforestration of all dry regions on our planet is for me the second main task for the people. The first is the dissolving of all military and paramilitary structures and infrastructures. The free technology is free for use and participate for all people on our planet. And we have a clear base: "global thinking, local doing" and "knowledge is always world heritage". We never accept any form of private ownership of common ressources. And we never use it. We ignore it. This is the background, why we can start with a radical reflection on the existing systems. Our focus is the telecommunication, the communication over geografical and time distances. Therefore, we can look for, what we need. Maybe, therefore so many people in the IGF lists don't understand all this. They live in a virtual space, based on the international slavery systems, and not in the reality. And mostly, they don't know what is going on in the hardware. I thank you and our friends very much for your time, for your patience. I hope, in the next time, we can start in the space of our global free technology network. We have to end the dogmatic with the wave and dipol theories for energy transmission, We have to go from Heinrich Hertz to Niclas Tesla and Werner Heisenberg. We have to find the way for high speed data transport based on low energy transmission. I don't like this stupid idea of glas and plastic fibre cable. Because we have to connect all local networks in the communities with her neighbors, the using of cable is a big nonsense. You see, we don't discuss the higher levels of protocols. We start on the base. And free spoken: The OSI model is nonsense. In our transport system, we speak about Tb-lines and not Kb, Mb or Gb-lines. And for the router, we need embedded control with passive cooling. Furnace in the refrigerator we don't need. Based on the geografical position the routing is very simple. And we have no administration of numbers. Dear Jefsey, we are always open for this discussion in any form. I like very much the exchange of opinion and ideas with people with different thinking. And i hope, that any time we can create the "World Internet Forum". An environment, where the people on our planet can interact based on equality and cooperation for our common needs. many greetings, willi Coro, Venezuela Am 29/11/2015 um 02:49 a.m. schrieb Jefsey: > >> At 18:23 28/11/2015, willi uebelherr wrote: >>> many thanks for your reference. For your constructive participation >>> in this discussion. >> >> At 20:36 28/11/2015, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >> Your texts are impossible to understand, and the little that is >> understandable is hopelessly confused. Your proposal is "not even >> false" (by which I mean it is not possible to make sense of it, and >> then to determine if it's true or false.) > > Willi, > > This being said, having been in charge for several years (1982/1986) > of the global DNIC based X.121 addressing implementation, I supported > 10 years ago the ITU _investigation_ (it was not a proposition). > > Why? Because we will necessarily move into a more open world once the > 1986-2013 "status-quo" culture has progressively unfrozen through > experimentation and (now technically correct) "permissionless innovation". > > The difference between the "ITU/RIRs" period and the post ICANN > leadership evolution should be the multiplication of registries > (continents, nations, RFC 6852 global communities, ISO/IEC 11179, > etc.) and types of numbering plans. > > The same as 15 years ago they documented why new TLDs would spoil the > nets. At that time no one considered possibilities such as SixXS, nor > an RFC 6852 pleading for the technology to be driven by markets > economics, nor the IETF to consensually accepting to be bound to the > ICANN "global community" and subject to NTIA review. > > Now, I suggest you at least read two RFCs: > > 1. RFC 1958 "architectural principles of the Internet". Its first > section is named "Constat change". It starts stating: " In searching > for Internet architectural principles, we must remember that technical > change is continuous in the information technology industry. The > Internet reflects this. ... Principles that seemed inviolable a few > years ago are deprecated today. Principles that seem sacred today will > be deprecated tomorrow. The principle of constant change is perhaps > the only principle of the Internet that should survive indefinitely." > > 2. RFC 3439 states " The implication for carrier IP networks then, is > that to be successful we must drive our architectures and designs > toward the simplest possible solutions." > > > jfc > Am 29/11/2015 um 01:29 p.m. schrieb Jean-Christophe Nothias: > Dear lists, > > A view among others. > > I note that this topic of 'the decentralization of IP addresses', even though a few have mocked the questioner and the question, is raising some debate. I was asking myself why do we suddenly have some activity as regards to Willy's wishes and questioning? > > Let us see what this thread has to say so far: > - Suresh very briefly summarized Willy's views by calling for an end to confusion between TCP/IP and the Postal service. A sarcasm to the least. Too bad, Suresh doesn't mention the fact that ITU is handling a non geographical space of futurist and strategic importance i.e. the Space, and its many satellites - another technology inherited from the Telegraph century?! ITU the organization helping dummies inhabiting the atmosphere to communicate with us, the grounded. > - David gave some more detailed thoughts about "understanding names and numbers". Saying that names are abstractions is fine, but short of clarity; writing that 'systems geographically based involve a great deal of governance' is also confusing. It is not clear if David meant that today IPs are living their life with no governance at all, or if a different model for handling IPs would be such a burden on economic or technological grounds. Could David provide an analysis comparing the two systems with pro and cons, data and figures? David recommended to ask ITU for feedbacks on regional and national governance. Another taste for sarcasm it seems. Acknowledging that Willy's ideas were raising 'lot of questions', David noted that 'many of us would disagree with quite a few of Willy's assumptions as both misguided in their intent, and based on some fairly basic misunderstandings'. That makes a lot of assumptions for David to counter Willy's assumptions. > - Suresh joined again to highlight David's mention of ITU: 'such proposals have been floating around ITU circles for a great many years". Probably another terrible plot by the villains in Geneva! > - Cedric asked: '...would it not be premature to assume other models cannot exist, and that managing an address space (or certification such as PKI) always has to require any central or hierarchical co-ordination?' > - Chantal provided a link to Louis's work, getting us back to the origins and basics of transmitting data in a network of networks. Still working today. > - Paul provided a reference - not mentioning that it was a link to a post he wrote - challenging ITU's work about IPs; to no one's surprise he advocated against it or any attempt to change the system. The post is very long but it doesn't necessarily mean that Paul is right. Paul emphasized the absence of geography for IPs, even though the network of networks is made of networks geographically established in national boundaries and under national jurisdictions, something that hasn't destroyed the idea of INTER-connected NETworks - to the contrary. Maybe I should simply write that the Internet is an international network of national networks, therefore with a lot of geographic national bounds and boundaries. When Paul concludes his blog he notes: 'The structure of today's Internet is a geography of independent networks around the world' - he omits to indicate the national specification and very nature of these networks - 'with transparent borders allowing traffic to flow freely between any pair of locations'. Such narrative should sounds like poetry to many techos, - and to me as well - and its allegoric style should not forbid us to challenge what seems to be well established (see jfc's email for that). Indeed there are many ways to flow freely between any pair of locations" wIth or without the current DNS, or within the current DNS. Here again a lot of assumptions. > - By then Nick argued that they were other profound issues 'threatening the network', and therefore, we should all stop discussing Willy's question and views. Obviously Nick's comment does not exactly bring substance to the thread. On a personal note, I am sure everyone on these lists is quite able to decide whether or not to enter any debate, to their best judgement. Calling for an end to a debate (which is having a few guns exchanging shots) is relatively surprising for someone from the business industry so prompt to call for protection of freedom of expression, human rights, and who has seen himself as the next ICANN's CEO with some self confidence. (I know this a bad habit among self-(s)elected folks). By the way, how would you label folks calling for stopping debating? Democrats, yes that must the right word. > - 'srs' came in with an interesting IP technologist's quote: 'IP addresses, though randomly allocated, could easily be listed on a per country basis by the Agencies. Existing filtering system does this with zero need to reallocate anything...' > - Stéphane who's used to demonstrate his googling of RFCs had this to ask to the lists: "When are we too polite?" His answer was compelling: his message was saying something like be gross and mean. Stéphane didn't give any RFC number to support his contra 'too polite' stance. > - Barry would call his great sense of humor to keep the debate open, ironically calling for a multistakeholder bottom-up trick to solve the issue. Just need to read Barry once to make sure you have respect for geography. > - Lee was happy with Stéphane's contra 'too polite' stance and used a '+1'. Both must be very upset with the question. > - Lately, 'jfc' would somehow support Stéphane's critic of Willy's clarity, but would be kind enough to clearly support what he sees as a decent ITU investigation. 'jfc' provided two excellent RFC references to support his support. > > I see a couple of interesting points being made here. > > First, could people provide a link to ITU investigation, and a link to a source describing the current governance for IPs. At least for those who are not so acquainted. > > Second, I wonder why Willy and his question create such a fuss. Many hypothesis. One seems to be the role of the 'decentralizing' idea in the questioning. In fact, most pro status quo folks (aligned with multistakeholderists) are professing an already decentralized Internet. 'Therefore how could we decentralize an already decentralized system?', they seem to ask. According to them, this doesn't make sense, and must be defeated as pure non sense. So maybe the question is some sort of major embarras de principe. Maybe then the basic solution is to kill the question for it would be insane, confusing, impossible, unreadable, part of another ITU temptation to grab power - please feel free to be unpolite - ... The question seems unbearable. When it is not, at least on technical and public policy grounds. But of course, there are other hypothesis. > > Third, challenging the Internet architecture seems to be a red line, something that no multistakeholder/status quo champion could ever discuss, debate, think of. They should think twice. And not because of the ITU, but because of the US obstructive stance, and because technology calls for innovation and disruption. (Thanks to jfc for the RFCs on this). IPs can obviously be distributed on a national basis - maybe not the best system - but that is doable. Of course, an NGO located in one of these evil, rogues or villain states will put its digital content behind IPs located out of their unfriendly homeland. > > Here, we are talking Internet architecture, the political and societal impacts it has, and the rules it obeys to, and not just its beauty code. Of course, we have many pending Internet governance issues, something that will be demonstrated sometime in NY in December, but let's stop talking about 'digital Human Rights' for a sec. (Alec Ross once said to me that they didn't exist, as they were invented to serve a greater purpose: the US interests) > > There is an IP/root-zone/DNS governing model behind the current status quo. For the time being, it leads us to IETF/IAB for the most part, and to RFCs for the historic part. We all know that IANA's transfer is a kind of écran de fumée when the real power lies beyond it. Giving IANA from ICANN under NTIA/DoC/USG to ICANN without NTIA/DoC/USG won't make a difference. A true decentralization (in terms of coordination) would create a new set of governance, not just bring one to a space that used to live without one centralized governing set of rules. I am convinced that technology would be happy to adapt, as a neutral thing - it loves to be challenged anyway. Some will even argue that IANA and ICANN are not critical resources when it comes to Internet architecture. I tend to agree, as ICANN/IANA are valets to the architects, or guardian of the current DNS aspect of the architecture. The network of networks is fragmented by nature, but it is/looks a coherent and fluid space - thanks to Louis and followers for making this possible. As regards to the current DNS, things could be set otherwise, still coherent and fluid, two qualities that are not enough for us who ask for more social justice, democratic regulation, transparency... Tomorrow we could have a multi-rooted Internet. We (the users as the real Internet community) would simply have different concierges: each user would be offered a choice at any time to chose his/her concierge (Emilio Iccano, Pedro Oproot, Marcello NameSpace, Willy Uncleario...). Browsers would allow users to chose which root concierge they want to use at anytime. Of course, concierge with special connection to mass surveillance paranoids might lose the favor of the public. If the NSA would catch a few nihilists, that would greatly help to justify the billion they cost to the US taxpayer. Soon some geeks/startups/companies will make profits out of such ideas. We don't need ICANN to live and navigate the Internet. ICANN is only one out of many solutions. ICANN's power comes from the fact that there is promiscuity and connivence between the commercial and security US players. ICANN has a monopolistic nature because some commercial giants, and security folks need it. Of course, ICANN et al claim that any competitor would disrupt and fragment the Internet. Which is of course a fairytale. Maybe we shouldn't bother as over the next decade some geeks will ruin the DNS as we know it. > > The ones telling us that we need to fight any attempt to broke what works so well, simply omit to tell us that the Internet architecture can be different and more consistent with all of what many of us are advocating here, with more responsibility, with more competition, more innovation, more distributive power at local and community level, with greater respect of our Rights. The overall vision of an Internet being un-fragmented is propagated by the ones who wish to protect giants and tyrants's sovereignty on markets and people. The digital economic war now raging over the planet will only drive to the dismantlement of the existing fortress, de facto monopole, tyranny of a few. The US policy, strictly applied by his pet followers (Sweden, UK, Japan, Canada, and the commonwealth - love this name), is there to preserve its interests. > > Decentralization is needed (a real one) in a revised global legal framework to protect it, and the people's rights and their own conception of what are the new Commons. Such a legal framework, an international law would hold part of it as far as governments are concerned, would distribute more responsibility, competition, better protect rights, and it would also drive economic wealth in a more distributed way, not just to the big players imposing their rules (not to confuse with regulation). Since it exists, Google has greatly contributed to kill pluralism in the media landscape. Who cares? Thanks to its financial torque, it has bought for itself intellectual rights to part of the human legacy in health, literature, science... Who cares? The game is to capture audiences, one way or another, as famously and appropriately put by Susan Crawford. This means more centralization, more concentration. This is not what the founders of Internet dreamt of - I am referring to the academic folks who invented it, with no multistakeholder process behind them, and before the USG took control in 1998. > > Instead the US should start setting a competitive digital world with more root concierges (for more TLDs). That would demonstrate and protect a diversity and plurality of languages, culture, traditions, media, markets, still under interoperable norms and regulations (sorry I could not avoid to use that ugly word). A multi-rooted Internet would offer more search engines, neutral and less commercially biased ones. A multi-rooted approach would also be complementary to a multipolar, fluid and decentralized Internet. A multi-rooted approach would help achieve an alternative Internet with an immediate more balanced governance, with interoperability and competitive approaches, with no tyrants to dominate others, in the interest of users around the planet. IPs are IPS, and content are located at IPs. So asking to different concierge would fragment nothing, except the current monopoles. The surveillance and commercial ones. Something we would love the US to be the champions of. Something for a New Frontiers president. (Someone is telling me that the guy exists but that he was assassinated by his fellow countrymen - the country of the Free with the record number of assassinated presidents). So let's wait for the next New Frontiers president to emerge. In the US, or anywhere else. Or let's use what we already have at hand. > > So indeed, it seems that behind the "decentralization of", there is a lot to be concerned with. > > The decentralization question is helping to deconstruct the fairytale of a decentralized and ungovernable Internet that we have been given for granted over the last 17 years since 1998. > > JC > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Sun Nov 1 00:12:12 2015 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 15:12:12 +1100 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] NOTE - Call for Nomination: Stakeholder Speakers at the General Assembly High-level Meeting on WSIS+10 In-Reply-To: <8587F3C3-613F-4596-B959-25BB895DB88E@gp-digital.org> References: <5634446D.9060505@itforchange.net> <56347293.7090103@itforchange.net> <56347496.9040002@itforchange.net> <00172661A97441C685D1A0F64770BB66@Toshiba> <8587F3C3-613F-4596-B959-25BB895DB88E@gp-digital.org> Message-ID: <66C8D3AEA0D54D689C237C151898B7E0@Toshiba> Hi Lea, I was involved in the process last year, which was a little different. Quite a number of civil society people were among those who put their names forward for the selection committee and were among the 18 or so who participated in a slightly messy voting process with confusing spreadsheets and 70 or so candidates. Among the CS people who participated here were myself, Analia, Anriette, Richard Hill, Parminder, Avri. Of the above, to my knowledge, only Analia myself and Anriette took the opportunity to participate in the conference call which spent most if its time eliminating WEOG males who dominated the original voting process. We were able to get some good civil society names up, and also speak successfully against some less satisfactory reps from other constituencies. But that was a less organised process than this appears to be, where decision making was really left to those who bothered to participate in the call. I think everyone realised it was far from satisfactory for a number of reasons. As regards other avenues for CS participation – I confess I had not heard of the TFMA, and noone else on CSCG raised it. I guess this is one of the reasons why I feel someone else should take over my role, as I am becoming less involved and aware of the various fora evolving in this space which civil society should be actively involved in. Ian From: Lea Kaspar Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 9:42 PM To: Ian Peter Cc: parminder ; mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net ; mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [bestbits] [governance] NOTE - Call for Nomination: Stakeholder Speakers at the General Assembly High-level Meeting on WSIS+10 Hi Ian, Parminder, Thanks for putting this on our agenda. Not against taking a stand on this. We have precedent with the IGF MAG, so could point to that. Although not ideal, UN DESA did take on 9/10 CSCG recommendations in the last MAG intake. And seeing as the MAG selection process is still something that needs improvement, we could leverage this effort (if successful) in the next round of MAG nominations. Going beyond the principle, I'd also be interested to hear from CS who were sitting on the selection committee for the July WSIS event (I think the UN used the same selection mechanism). Did that work at all? Would the final selection of CS reps at the July event been different had CS had control over the process? While we're on the topic, Ian, does the CSCG actively monitor UN calls for CS representation in relevant spaces? For instance, did the CSCG ever discuss the call for nominations for the Adis Ababa Technology Facilitation Mechanism Advisory Group? The call has now passed (last weekend I think), and IMO it's a real shame that we didn't have a broader CS discussion about this. The TFM is passing under people's radar, but could end up being influential in the broader IG ecosystem. Best wishes, Lea Sent from my iPhone On 31 Oct 2015, at 08:08, Ian Peter wrote: Is there general agreement we should write something pointing this out and asking for a process where CS chooses its own reps? Perhaps we could ask for UNDESA to forward CS names submitted to us and we will advise our choices? Interested in other opinions on this.... we would have to move quickly... From: parminder Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 6:58 PM To: Ian Peter ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net ; governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] NOTE - Call for Nomination: Stakeholder Speakers at the General Assembly High-level Meeting on WSIS+10 This is what para 3 of part I of the section on roadmap of the NetMundial outcome document says: "Stakeholder representatives appointed to multistakeholder Internet governance processes should be selected through open , democratic, and transparent processes. Different stakeholder groups should self - manage their processes based on inclusive, publicly known, well defined and accountable mechanisms." (Emphasis added) On Saturday 31 October 2015 01:19 PM, parminder wrote: On Saturday 31 October 2015 12:47 PM, Ian Peter wrote: Hi Parminder, While I agree with your analysis, Ian, I am not sure you are seeing it the way I am. This is not about 4-5 of us getting a few minutes from the podium. This is about civil society representation will be chosen in the IG space. And if you really feel it the way i do, why would you not agree to write as such to those in charge of the process. I don’t think there is any chance at all that this process will be changed in the short timeframe involved, however strong a protest we make. As I said, it does not matter if it changes. There is a larger structural point here. On the other hand, I am about 90 percent sure that if all groups involved in CSCG writes that this is not right, and please let us do our own selection they would agree. Civil society seems to have forgotten to leverage its legitimacy, and we seem to cave in to just about everything, a being beyond us to influence. This is not how it should be at all, So my own thoughts are that it is probably best to get involved, and from that position make a strong statement that the process is flawed and problematic from our point of view. Are you saying that the chosen speakers will speak from the podium that this process is flawed, and in this way? Please be clear. But if we are ready to have our speakers speak about it at the high level meeting, why would we not want to write about it to the co-facilitators and the concerned UN bureaucracy? Isnt that much simpler, and at least have the potential of meaningful impact. I also feel that we should be involved because in doing so we are able to correct some excesses from our point of view, but certainly not all. Again, did not understand. What excesses, and how are they corrected? However that’s just a personal point of view. We have just opened a discussion on this in CSCG and decisions may be quite different. One problem is that CSCG as such cannot nominate. Those who can according to this process are: These criteria are for those individuals who want to apply to be on the multistakeholder selection committee. My proposal is to disassociate CS selection from this multistakeholder selection process, and ask for CSCG to do it (I find it highly likely that they'd agree). So, the issue of the creteria you mention simply does not apply to the proposal I am making and seeking your and other people's views on. Non-governmental organizations in consultative status with the Economic and Social Council • Organizations accredited to the World Summit on the Information Society held in Geneva (2003) and Tunis (2005) • Organizations accredited to the WSIS Forum held from 2011 to 2015 • Organizations with observer status with the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development • Attendees of the UNESCO WSIS+10 - ICT4D Conference or the UNESCO WSIS - Connecting the Dots Conference • Organizations accredited to the Financing for Development (FFD) process • Organizations accredited to the United Nations Sustainable Development Summit 2015 • Organizations already accredited to the WSIS+10 process (July and October meetings) So if CSCG as such is involved, it will have to be with our nominations as representatives of civil society organisations who do fit one at least of the above criteria. I am not asking for the CSCG to get involved with this multistakeholder selection process. On the contrary, I am asking for us to disassociate from it. Another problem is that the time frame for selecting speakers is roughly that of IGF – and with a 15 hour estimated commitment it may not be easy to find people able to represent us. I believe that if we are involved we should try to fill both civil society slots on the selection panel. But that will have to be as two separate nominations (backed by CSCG) from different CS groups. Again, you are speaking of CSCG getting involved with the current process, which is fundamentally different from my proposal to ask for CS nominations to be taken off the multistakeholder process, and be taken over by CSCG itself. Same about the rest of your email below. Ian, lets look at it in two parts. Do the involved CS groups agree that other stakeholders - big business, gov, ICANN/ ISOC - should not be involved in selection of its reps? Yes or no. If yes, then let us that put down in a letter. I am happy to fight the case, but if we have such a position and want to fight the case. We cannot keep citing expediency for just everything. But if we are ok with such a process, that is a different matter, and let different groups and individuals give their views... Their has to be some limit to - we agree it is wrong, but.... parminder And if we do nominate representatives on the selection panel, we have to do so this week. And if I may add a further factor – I will be stepping down as the Independent Chair of CSCG shortly, as my term expires soon. I will not be standing again, as various factors are making it difficult for me to maintain an active involvement in these forums; and I think it is time for one of our very talented (and younger) members to take over. CSCG is currently drafting an EOI to seek a new independent Chair, with the aim of opening that process before IGF so that people get a chance to discuss it while many are present in Brazil. So the replacement process hopefully will complete by the end of this year. So in these circumstances – it would be good to hear from anyone who has an interest in working with CSCG as part of this particular process; I don’t necessarily want to be involved if we have good reps able to consult with CSCG members. If anyone is interested in this and wants to contact me privately to assist in this way, I would be happy to discuss further and approach CSCG as regards their involvement. Thanks for opening up a discussion on this. Ian Peter From: parminder Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 3:32 PM To: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net ; governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [bestbits] NOTE - Call for Nomination: Stakeholder Speakers at the General Assembly High-level Meeting on WSIS+10 Please see the below announcement. It seems that there is a strong effort to institutionalise a system of civil society reps for speaker roles, but perhaps later also for more substantive roles, being selected by multistakeholder committees, meaning that big business and technical community gets a veto over civil society rep selection. (Do remember here that 'technical community' here is not that odd free and open software group volunteering their time in supporting government schools or the such. This term is accepted in the IG world now to denote those who work for and represent organisations engaged with technical governance of the Internet, and thus represent a governance status quo group. The semantic confusion about the term, as being people with technical capacities, is deliberate in order to utilise a certain legitimacy for what is a power based governance system.) The structural problem with such a process should be obvious. This is not acceptable for me, my organisation and the networks that I work with. Civil society has traditionally been fiercely protective of its independence, which includes the right to choose its own nominees (for instance, any efforts at national govs 'clearing' civil society reps from their countries has been strongly resisted at the UN and other global governance levels). I think we need to write back to those responsible for this process that , thanks but no thanks, you tell us how many CS sepakers you want and we have a process of selection for CS reps and we will deliver the names by the date you want. May I appeal to Ian and the CSCG to frame and send such a letter to WSIS process co-facilitators, and the concerned UN bureaucracy, at the earliest. Before these mentioned deadlines pass. Meanwhile, let me give some background on this.... Just Net Coalition did write a letter addressed to the co-facilitators against such a process of big business sitting over decisions on CS reps. It seems to have had no effect. A few years back, there was an attempt by a certain group in the IGF MAG, led by the then Exec Director of the IGF, Markus Kummer, to institute a method of selections of non gov MAG members by a committee of older non gov MAG members. I was able to attend MAG meetings in those days as a Special Advisor to the chair. I opposed such a process of CS nominee selection by a committee that included big business and technical community (read the ICANN/ ISOC system). I was able to get the support of a few CS MAG members in the room, and I distinctly remember Graciala, Katitza, and Foaud in this regard, and perhaps a person or two more whose names may have dropped from my memory (my apologies).... And because of the CS opposition this problematic move had to be abandoned. Now it seems to be coming back from another door, and we need to stand up against it once again. Again, we have very little turnaround time here. parminder On Friday 30 October 2015 08:04 PM, Carolina Rossini wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: NGO News Date: Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 10:14 AM Subject: [NGO News:] Call for Nomination: Stakeholder Speakers at the General Assembly High-level Meeting on WSIS+10 To: crossini at publicknowledge.org Deadlines: 8 November 2015: Apply for Selection Committee 12 November 2015: Apply for Speaking Roles The General Assembly High-level Meeting on the overall review of the implementation of the outcomes of the World Summit on the Information Society will take place on 15-16 December 2015 at the UN Headquarters in New York. This high-level meeting will provide an opportunity for in-depth discussions on important issues in the implementation of the WSIS outcomes, including the progress, gaps and challenges, as well as areas for future actions. To apply to speak at the High-level Meeting, please complete the form available here. Applications will be accepted from 30 October to 12 November 2015. A Selection Committee will be established in order to ensure broad and inclusive participation of stakeholders in the high-level meeting. Applications to the Selection Committee will be accepted from 30 October to 8 November 2015. To learn more about the Selection Committee, please see the Terms of Reference by clicking on this link. To apply to participate in the stakeholder Selection Committee, please complete the form available here. Background In December of 2003, the world came together in Geneva at the World Summit on Information Society (WSIS) to declare a "common desire and commitment to build a people-centred, inclusive and development-oriented Information Society," and ushered in an era of harnessing the power of information and communication technology to contribute to the achievement of the Millennium Development Goals (MDGs). The resulting Geneva Plan of Action established targets and the eleven action lines, which guide development in specific areas. The second phase of WSIS, conducted in Tunis in 2005, built upon the achievements of the Geneva Plan, with the resulting Tunis Agenda addressing additional issues, such as financing and internet governance. Paragraph 111 of the Tunis Agenda, endorsed by the General Assembly in resolution 60/252, requested the General Assembly to undertake the overall review of the implementation of the outcomes of WSIS in 2015. In response, the General Assembly in resolution 68/302, decided that the overall review will be concluded by a two-day high-level meeting of the General Assembly, to be preceded by an intergovernmental process that also takes into account inputs from all relevant stakeholders of WSIS. -- Carolina Rossini Vice President, International Policy and Strategy Public Knowledge http://www.publicknowledge.org/ + 1 6176979389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini -- Carolina Rossini Vice President, International Policy Public Knowledge http://www.publicknowledge.org/ + 1 6176979389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. 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Usually, the opening ceremony is the > event regarded as the primary event to set up the whole tone of the meeting > and send out powerful message. However, if CS people are going to be > presented for this 2015 IGF's closing ceremony (and I assume CS ppl will > not make speeches during the opening ceremony), then strategically it'd be > better to have a Brazilian at the closing ceremony to tie the CS's > arguments into the Brazilian national situation. > > And it also depends on the local culture, I guess. > > > Thank you, > Michael Baak > > International Policy Fellow, Public Knowledge > J.D., Cornell Law School > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 6:44 PM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > >> Hi Carolina, >> >> why would the closing ceremony be the better choice? Isn't better for >> Joana to speak at the opening ceremony when national politicians and the >> press are around? >> >> Jeanette >> >> >> Am 31.10.15 um 18:31 schrieb Carolina Rossini: >> >>> Good that you sent an updated bio Jo, I was about to do that when I saw >>> Ian's email. >>> >>> I am very happy about the nominations, but I would invert the order of >>> possible. Having a Brazilian at the end, as we had Grace and Burcu as CS >>> for closing ceremony, is VERY important politically. >>> >>> Not just for CS, but actually more as a opportunity to have the closing >>> speech also refer to national issues and ask specific commitments from >>> the Brazilian policy makers there. As Joana is incredible aware, since >>> she is deeply involved in the discussions, folks are trying to >>> puncture Marco Civil and cut back on other digital rights in Brazil... >>> We - the digital rights community - lost a lot of attention due to all >>> the political corruption that has take over all the media attention. >>> >>> We need to have Joana - as a Brasilian - putting the "country" against >>> the wall in front of everybody. And I feel the closing ceremony is >>> better for that purpose. >>> >>> I am saying all this without having spoken with Joana. So, I am not sure >>> if she is available. >>> >>> But I wanted to make sure to leave my opinion on this issue. >>> >>> C >>> >>> On Friday, October 30, 2015, >> > wrote: >>> >>> Thanks, Ian and everyone! >>> >>> I cannot express how honored I'm for this nomination. I hope I can >>> respond to the task with the bright it entails. >>> >>> As soon as nomination is confirmed I will share a pad for people to >>> bring inputs. Will already be dreaming with some insights. >>> >>> Just a correction in my institutional presentation as I'm not CTS >>> for more then 1 and half year now :): >>> >>> I'm founder director and creative chaos catalyst of Coding Rights, a >>> women lead think-and-do tank with the mission to bring hackers, >>> geeks, artists, researchers and activists together to protect, >>> promote and mainstream digital rights and empower women on ICTs. >>> More on @codingrights or codingrights.org >>> (still temporary work in progress) >>> >>> Thank you once again and have safe travels to João Pessoa. We will >>> be waiting for you all to cheer with caipirinhas or fresh coconut >>> water. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Joana >>> >>> On 30 Oct 2015 17:36, Lea Kaspar >> > wrote: >>> >>> Congratulations to both, proud to be represented by these women. >>> >>> Many thanks to the CSCG for their work - excellent choices. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> Lea >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Ian Peter >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> Below are the two nominations from Civil Society >>> Coordination Group for speakers for this years IGF opening >>> and closing ceremonies. They were chosen from a field of 20 >>> names submitted from various civil society coalitions, and >>> have been forwarded to the IGF Secretariat. I must say that >>> any of the 20 names submitted could have represented us >>> admirably, and that it was a tough decision for the CSCG >>> members to come up with 2 names. >>> Joana Varon (Brazil) – opening ceremony – >>> joana at varonferraz.com >>> Nadine Moawad (Lebanon) – closing ceremony – >>> nadine at apcwomen.org >>> For those who don’t know them, >>> Joana Varon Ferraz is a researcher and project coordinator >>> at the Centre for Technology and Society from Fundação >>> Getulio Vargas in Rio de Janeiro >>> Nadine Moawad is a Lebanese feminist activist and >>> grasssroots worker who leads Association for Progressive >>> Communication (APC)'s sexual >>> rights work. >>> We commend them both as informed excellent communicators to >>> represent civil society. They have both been informed of >>> their nominations. >>> Ian Peter (Independent Chair, Civil Society Coordination >>> Group) >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >>> >> ');>. >>> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >>> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> /Carolina Rossini / >>> /Vice President, International Policy/ >>> *Public Knowledge* >>> _http://www.publicknowledge.org/_ >>> + 1 6176979389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -- Dr. Anja Kovacs The Internet Democracy Project +91 9899028053 | @anjakovacs www.internetdemocracy.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We can also discuss on how to be able to secure funding; for example, IGC co-cos should not keep on worrying to attend IGF meetings!!! Forgive my ignorance in case we already have these, but what if we have more members in something like a steering committee to support the coordinators? Have like regional representatives? And work on their roles? Been thinking out loudly! ----- Arsene Tungali, Executive Director, Rudi International. Founder & Director, Mabingwa Forum. Mandela Washington Fellow. ICANN Fellow. ISOC IGF Ambassador. Blogger. Child Online Protection. Communications Specialist. Democratic Republic of Congo. 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Have like regional representatives? And work on their roles? > > Been thinking out loudly! > > ----- > Arsene Tungali, > Executive Director, Rudi International. > Founder & Director, Mabingwa Forum. > > Mandela Washington Fellow. ICANN Fellow. ISOC IGF Ambassador. Blogger. > Child Online Protection. Communications Specialist. > > Democratic Republic of Congo. > Sent from Huawei Mobile (excuse typos) > > > Deirdre Williams wrote: > > Dear IGC members, > > Deirdre heard late Thursday afternoon that she will have funding to attend > IGF 2015 in Joao Pessoa. Through the good offices of Eleonora we have a > meeting room – Bilateral Room 3 – on Wednesday 11th November (Day 2) from > 12.00 to 1300. Could you please indicate whether you will be willing and > able to attend a face to face meeting of the IGC at that date and time? > > Whether you will be in Brazil or not we would be grateful for input for an > agenda. Please remember that we have only one hour for the meeting. > > Thank you > > Deirdre and Analia > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers On Sunday, November 1, 2015, Deirdre Williams wrote: > Dear IGC members, > > Deirdre heard late Thursday afternoon that she will have funding to attend IGF 2015 in Joao Pessoa. Through the good offices of Eleonora we have a meeting room – Bilateral Room 3 – on Wednesday 11th November (Day 2) from 12.00 to 1300. Could you please indicate whether you will be willing and able to attend a face to face meeting of the IGC at that date and time? > > Whether you will be in Brazil or not we would be grateful for input for an agenda. Please remember that we have only one hour for the meeting. > > Thank you > > Deirdre and Analia > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -- WISDOM DONKOR (S/N Eng.) ICANN Fellow / ISOC Member Web/OGPL Portal Specialist National Information Technology Agency (NITA) Ghana Open Data Initiative (GODI) Post Office Box CT. 2439, Cantonments, Accra, Ghana Tel; +233 20 812881 Email: wisdom_dk at hotmail.com wisdom.donkor at data.gov.gh wisdom.dk at gmail.com Skype: wisdom_dk facebook: facebook at wisdom_dk Website: www.nita.gov.gh / www.data.gov.gh www.isoc.gh / www.itag.org.gh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Said On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 5:01 PM, Wisdom Donkor wrote: > Thanks for the email, I will love to be at the meeting. > > I am still working out for travel support. Should incase I get the support > hopefully Thursday or Friday of this week then I will be able to attend the > meeting. > > Cheers > > > On Sunday, November 1, 2015, Deirdre Williams > wrote: > > Dear IGC members, > > > > Deirdre heard late Thursday afternoon that she will have funding to > attend IGF 2015 in Joao Pessoa. Through the good offices of Eleonora we > have a meeting room – Bilateral Room 3 – on Wednesday 11th November (Day 2) > from 12.00 to 1300. Could you please indicate whether you will be willing > and able to attend a face to face meeting of the IGC at that date and time? > > > > Whether you will be in Brazil or not we would be grateful for input for > an agenda. Please remember that we have only one hour for the meeting. > > > > Thank you > > > > Deirdre and Analia > > > > -- > > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir > William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > -- > WISDOM DONKOR (S/N Eng.) > ICANN Fellow / ISOC Member > Web/OGPL Portal Specialist > National Information Technology Agency (NITA) > Ghana Open Data Initiative (GODI) > Post Office Box CT. 2439, Cantonments, Accra, Ghana > Tel; +233 20 812881 > Email: wisdom_dk at hotmail.com > wisdom.donkor at data.gov.gh > wisdom.dk at gmail.com > Skype: wisdom_dk > facebook: facebook at wisdom_dk > Website: www.nita.gov.gh / www.data.gov.gh > www.isoc.gh / www.itag.org.gh > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Said Zazai P: +93.70.8064251 <%2B+93.70.8064251> E: saidsemail at gmail.com L: af.linkedin.com/in/saidzazai T: @smzazai -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Said Zazai wrote: > Hello, I'd love to attend this meeting. Still waiting for my visa and if I > get it I'll meet you all on Day 2 as scheduled. > > Thanks > Said > > On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 5:01 PM, Wisdom Donkor wrote: >> >> Thanks for the email, I will love to be at the meeting. >> >> I am still working out for travel support. Should incase I get the support >> hopefully Thursday or Friday of this week then I will be able to attend the >> meeting. >> >> Cheers >> >> >> On Sunday, November 1, 2015, Deirdre Williams >> wrote: >> > Dear IGC members, >> > >> > Deirdre heard late Thursday afternoon that she will have funding to >> > attend IGF 2015 in Joao Pessoa. Through the good offices of Eleonora we have >> > a meeting room – Bilateral Room 3 – on Wednesday 11th November (Day 2) from >> > 12.00 to 1300. Could you please indicate whether you will be willing and >> > able to attend a face to face meeting of the IGC at that date and time? >> > >> > Whether you will be in Brazil or not we would be grateful for input for >> > an agenda. Please remember that we have only one hour for the meeting. >> > >> > Thank you >> > >> > Deirdre and Analia >> > >> > -- >> > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir >> > William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >> >> -- >> WISDOM DONKOR (S/N Eng.) >> ICANN Fellow / ISOC Member >> Web/OGPL Portal Specialist >> National Information Technology Agency (NITA) >> Ghana Open Data Initiative (GODI) >> Post Office Box CT. 2439, Cantonments, Accra, Ghana >> Tel; +233 20 812881 >> Email: wisdom_dk at hotmail.com >> wisdom.donkor at data.gov.gh >> wisdom.dk at gmail.com >> Skype: wisdom_dk >> facebook: facebook at wisdom_dk >> Website: www.nita.gov.gh / www.data.gov.gh >> www.isoc.gh / www.itag.org.gh >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > > > -- > Said Zazai > P: +93.70.8064251 > E: saidsemail at gmail.com > L: af.linkedin.com/in/saidzazai > T: @smzazai > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mariliamaciel at gmail.com Sun Nov 1 12:56:19 2015 From: mariliamaciel at gmail.com (Marilia Maciel) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 15:56:19 -0200 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] CSCG nominations for civil society speakers at IGF In-Reply-To: <5635446A.10701@wzb.eu> References: <329E4D25FA9741FBA266911DB82F76DD@Toshiba> <5635446A.10701@wzb.eu> Message-ID: Congratulations to the speakers and to CSCG! I agree with Carolina's diagnosis of the national problems. However, I believe that the opening ceremony usually resonates more with politicians and the media than the closing session. As Mike remarked, it also sets the tone of the event, and I believe it is important that national issues are raised whenever appropriate throughout the whole meeting. For that, it is important that all stakeholders, from Brazil and abroad, are aware of the problems. Joana's remarks could make sure that they are. Best wishes, Marília On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote: > Hi Carolina, > > why would the closing ceremony be the better choice? Isn't better for > Joana to speak at the opening ceremony when national politicians and the > press are around? > > Jeanette > > > Am 31.10.15 um 18:31 schrieb Carolina Rossini: > >> Good that you sent an updated bio Jo, I was about to do that when I saw >> Ian's email. >> >> I am very happy about the nominations, but I would invert the order of >> possible. Having a Brazilian at the end, as we had Grace and Burcu as CS >> for closing ceremony, is VERY important politically. >> >> Not just for CS, but actually more as a opportunity to have the closing >> speech also refer to national issues and ask specific commitments from >> the Brazilian policy makers there. As Joana is incredible aware, since >> she is deeply involved in the discussions, folks are trying to >> puncture Marco Civil and cut back on other digital rights in Brazil... >> We - the digital rights community - lost a lot of attention due to all >> the political corruption that has take over all the media attention. >> >> We need to have Joana - as a Brasilian - putting the "country" against >> the wall in front of everybody. And I feel the closing ceremony is >> better for that purpose. >> >> I am saying all this without having spoken with Joana. So, I am not sure >> if she is available. >> >> But I wanted to make sure to leave my opinion on this issue. >> >> C >> >> On Friday, October 30, 2015, > > wrote: >> >> Thanks, Ian and everyone! >> >> I cannot express how honored I'm for this nomination. I hope I can >> respond to the task with the bright it entails. >> >> As soon as nomination is confirmed I will share a pad for people to >> bring inputs. Will already be dreaming with some insights. >> >> Just a correction in my institutional presentation as I'm not CTS >> for more then 1 and half year now :): >> >> I'm founder director and creative chaos catalyst of Coding Rights, a >> women lead think-and-do tank with the mission to bring hackers, >> geeks, artists, researchers and activists together to protect, >> promote and mainstream digital rights and empower women on ICTs. >> More on @codingrights or codingrights.org >> (still temporary work in progress) >> >> Thank you once again and have safe travels to João Pessoa. We will >> be waiting for you all to cheer with caipirinhas or fresh coconut >> water. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Joana >> >> On 30 Oct 2015 17:36, Lea Kaspar > > wrote: >> >> Congratulations to both, proud to be represented by these women. >> >> Many thanks to the CSCG for their work - excellent choices. >> >> Best wishes, >> Lea >> >> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Ian Peter >> > > wrote: >> >> Below are the two nominations from Civil Society >> Coordination Group for speakers for this years IGF opening >> and closing ceremonies. They were chosen from a field of 20 >> names submitted from various civil society coalitions, and >> have been forwarded to the IGF Secretariat. I must say that >> any of the 20 names submitted could have represented us >> admirably, and that it was a tough decision for the CSCG >> members to come up with 2 names. >> Joana Varon (Brazil) – opening ceremony – >> joana at varonferraz.com >> Nadine Moawad (Lebanon) – closing ceremony – >> nadine at apcwomen.org >> For those who don’t know them, >> Joana Varon Ferraz is a researcher and project coordinator >> at the Centre for Technology and Society from Fundação >> Getulio Vargas in Rio de Janeiro >> Nadine Moawad is a Lebanese feminist activist and >> grasssroots worker who leads Association for Progressive >> Communication (APC)'s sexual >> rights work. >> We commend them both as informed excellent communicators to >> represent civil society. They have both been informed of >> their nominations. >> Ian Peter (Independent Chair, Civil Society Coordination >> Group) >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >> > ');>. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> /Carolina Rossini / >> /Vice President, International Policy/ >> *Public Knowledge* >> _http://www.publicknowledge.org/_ >> + 1 6176979389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -- *Marília Maciel* Pesquisadora Gestora - Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio Researcher and Coordinator - Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts DiploFoundation associate - www.diplomacy.edu PoliTICs Magazine Advisory Committee - http://www.politics.org.br/ Subscribe "Digital Rights: Latin America & the Caribbean" - http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wolfgang -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Deirdre Williams Gesendet: So 01.11.2015 01:14 An: Internet Governance Betreff: [governance] IGC meeting in Joao Pessoa Dear IGC members, Deirdre heard late Thursday afternoon that she will have funding to attend IGF 2015 in Joao Pessoa. Through the good offices of Eleonora we have a meeting room - Bilateral Room 3 - on Wednesday 11th November (Day 2) from 12.00 to 1300. Could you please indicate whether you will be willing and able to attend a face to face meeting of the IGC at that date and time? Whether you will be in Brazil or not we would be grateful for input for an agenda. Please remember that we have only one hour for the meeting. Thank you Deirdre and Analia -- "The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Sun Nov 1 15:36:34 2015 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 07:36:34 +1100 Subject: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven Message-ID: <87E9D74434514A8382DB74BA7DF8E673@Toshiba> I just received the following news via Michele Koven - “Our father, Ronald Koven, died early Friday morning in Paris. He will be very missed. August 11, 1935-October 30, 2015. We will be creating both a memorial Facebook page and separate website in his honor where people can post any memories, thoughts, or pictures they would like to share.” Ronald was a great leader in the field of journalism and human rights and a frequent contributor here. Ian Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He will be very missed. August 11, 1935-October 30, 2015. We will be creating both a memorial Facebook page and separate website in his honor where people can post any memories, thoughts, or pictures they would like to share.” Ronald was a great leader in the field of journalism and human rights and a frequent contributor here. Ian Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ronald was a great man and left a great legacy and his advocacy and love and passion for people will be sorely missed. Deep condolences to the Kovens. Thank you Ian for relaying the message. Sala On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Ian Peter wrote: > I just received the following news via Michele Koven - “Our father, > Ronald Koven, died early Friday morning in Paris. He will be very missed. > August 11, 1935-October 30, 2015. We will be creating both a memorial > Facebook page and separate website in his honor where people can post any > memories, thoughts, or pictures they would like to share.” > > Ronald was a great leader in the field of journalism and human rights and > a frequent contributor here. > > Ian Peter > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- *Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala T* *P. O. Box 17862* *Suva* *Republic of Fiji* *Cell: +679 7656770; * *Home: +679 3362003* *Twitter: @SalanietaT* *"You will never do anything in this world without courage. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de Sun Nov 1 16:01:25 2015 From: wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Kleinw=E4chter=2C_Wolfgang=22?=) Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 22:01:25 +0100 Subject: AW: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven References: <87E9D74434514A8382DB74BA7DF8E673@Toshiba> Message-ID: <2DA93620FC07494C926D60C8E3C2F1A801A2A345@server1.medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Hi, this is sad news indeed. I know Ronnie since the middle of the 1980s. Our first meeting goes back to the UNESCO NWCIO Round Table in Copenhagen in 1985. We disagreed about a number of issues, but we agreed on human rights and in particular on freedom of expression as the touchstone of all human rights. Ronnie helped to draft the WSIS Civil Society Declaration in Geneva in 2003. He played a constructive role in promoting the idea of the multistakeholder governance model for managing the Internet. He was on the side of the individual users of the Internet. And very personally: When I asked for advice or did send him an article he helped me to with critical and constructive comments. I will remember him as a good friend. Wolfgang -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Ian Peter Gesendet: So 01.11.2015 21:36 An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Betreff: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven I just received the following news via Michele Koven - "Our father, Ronald Koven, died early Friday morning in Paris. He will be very missed. August 11, 1935-October 30, 2015. We will be creating both a memorial Facebook page and separate website in his honor where people can post any memories, thoughts, or pictures they would like to share." Ronald was a great leader in the field of journalism and human rights and a frequent contributor here. Ian Peter -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From meryem at marzouki.info Sun Nov 1 16:29:32 2015 From: meryem at marzouki.info (Meryem Marzouki) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 18:29:32 -0300 Subject: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven In-Reply-To: <87E9D74434514A8382DB74BA7DF8E673@Toshiba> References: <87E9D74434514A8382DB74BA7DF8E673@Toshiba> Message-ID: <5A9E0569-4BBF-4155-BE9C-4C25C03B2007@marzouki.info> Very sad indeed to learn that Ronnie passed away. I met him during WSIS early preparation days, where he was very active with the media caucus. We, in the human rights caucus, fought many battles jointly with Ronnie. We had different views, too, on some issues, but discussions with Ronnie were always very friendly, and it was always a pleasure to see him at IGFs as well as different Internet and Internet governance related meetings. Yes, he will be missed. Meryem Marzouki > Le 1 nov. 2015 à 17:36, "Ian Peter" a écrit : > > I just received the following news via Michele Koven - “Our father, Ronald Koven, died early Friday morning in Paris. He will be very missed. August 11, 1935-October 30, 2015. We will be creating both a memorial Facebook page and separate website in his honor where people can post any memories, thoughts, or pictures they would like to share.” > > Ronald was a great leader in the field of journalism and human rights and a frequent contributor here. > > Ian Peter > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mazzone at ebu.ch Sun Nov 1 17:01:29 2015 From: mazzone at ebu.ch (Mazzone, Giacomo) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 22:01:29 +0000 Subject: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven In-Reply-To: <5A9E0569-4BBF-4155-BE9C-4C25C03B2007@marzouki.info> References: <87E9D74434514A8382DB74BA7DF8E673@Toshiba>,<5A9E0569-4BBF-4155-BE9C-4C25C03B2007@marzouki.info> Message-ID: <20151101220129.30990425.5405.11720@ebu.ch> Oh gosh ! I'm so sad to hear that. Ronald was à great man and à passionate activist of freedom of Expression and we have done so many common battles at the WSIS, at the Council of Europe and at the IGF too... I shall immediately join the page of commemoration as Ian Peter suggest‎s and thank you for sharing this valuable information.... Giacomo De: Meryem Marzouki Envoyé: dimanche, 1 novembre 2015 22:30 À: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Ian Peter Répondre à: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Objet: Re: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven Very sad indeed to learn that Ronnie passed away. I met him during WSIS early preparation days, where he was very active with the media caucus. We, in the human rights caucus, fought many battles jointly with Ronnie. We had different views, too, on some issues, but discussions with Ronnie were always very friendly, and it was always a pleasure to see him at IGFs as well as different Internet and Internet governance related meetings. Yes, he will be missed. Meryem Marzouki Le 1 nov. 2015 à 17:36, "Ian Peter" > a écrit : I just received the following news via Michele Koven - “Our father, Ronald Koven, died early Friday morning in Paris. He will be very missed. August 11, 1935-October 30, 2015. We will be creating both a memorial Facebook page and separate website in his honor where people can post any memories, thoughts, or pictures they would like to share.” Ronald was a great leader in the field of journalism and human rights and a frequent contributor here. 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I feel very happy to be represented by these lovely people. Deborah On 11/1/15 1:03 PM, Mishi Choudhary wrote: > Congratulations to the speakers! Looking forward to this. > > > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Marilia Maciel > Date: 11/1/2015 11:56 AM (GMT-06:00) > To: Jeanette Hofmann > Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org, Best Bits > > Subject: Re: [bestbits] [governance] CSCG nominations for civil > society speakers at IGF > > Congratulations to the speakers and to CSCG! > > I agree with Carolina's diagnosis of the national problems. However, I > believe that the opening ceremony usually resonates more with > politicians and the media than the closing session. As Mike remarked, > it also sets the tone of the event, and I believe it is important that > national issues are raised whenever appropriate throughout the whole > meeting. For that, it is important that all stakeholders, from Brazil > and abroad, are aware of the problems. Joana's remarks could make sure > that they are. > > Best wishes, > Marília > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Jeanette Hofmann > wrote: > > Hi Carolina, > > why would the closing ceremony be the better choice? Isn't better > for Joana to speak at the opening ceremony when national > politicians and the press are around? > > Jeanette > > > Am 31.10.15 um 18:31 schrieb Carolina Rossini: > > Good that you sent an updated bio Jo, I was about to do that > when I saw > Ian's email. > > I am very happy about the nominations, but I would invert the > order of > possible. Having a Brazilian at the end, as we had Grace and > Burcu as CS > for closing ceremony, is VERY important politically. > > Not just for CS, but actually more as a opportunity to have > the closing > speech also refer to national issues and ask specific > commitments from > the Brazilian policy makers there. As Joana is incredible > aware, since > she is deeply involved in the discussions, folks are trying to > puncture Marco Civil and cut back on other digital rights in > Brazil... > We - the digital rights community - lost a lot of attention > due to all > the political corruption that has take over all the media > attention. > > We need to have Joana - as a Brasilian - putting the "country" > against > the wall in front of everybody. And I feel the closing ceremony is > better for that purpose. > > I am saying all this without having spoken with Joana. So, I > am not sure > if she is available. > > But I wanted to make sure to leave my opinion on this issue. > > C > > On Friday, October 30, 2015, > >> > wrote: > > Thanks, Ian and everyone! > > I cannot express how honored I'm for this nomination. I > hope I can > respond to the task with the bright it entails. > > As soon as nomination is confirmed I will share a pad for > people to > bring inputs. Will already be dreaming with some insights. > > Just a correction in my institutional presentation as I'm > not CTS > for more then 1 and half year now :): > > I'm founder director and creative chaos catalyst of Coding > Rights, a > women lead think-and-do tank with the mission to bring > hackers, > geeks, artists, researchers and activists together to protect, > promote and mainstream digital rights and empower women on > ICTs. > More on @codingrights or codingrights.org > > (still temporary work in progress) > > Thank you once again and have safe travels to João Pessoa. > We will > be waiting for you all to cheer with caipirinhas or fresh > coconut > water. > > Kind regards, > > Joana > > On 30 Oct 2015 17:36, Lea Kaspar > ');>> wrote: > > Congratulations to both, proud to be represented by > these women. > > Many thanks to the CSCG for their work - excellent > choices. > > Best wishes, > Lea > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Ian Peter > > ');>> wrote: > > Below are the two nominations from Civil Society > Coordination Group for speakers for this years IGF > opening > and closing ceremonies. They were chosen from a > field of 20 > names submitted from various civil society > coalitions, and > have been forwarded to the IGF Secretariat. I must > say that > any of the 20 names submitted could have > represented us > admirably, and that it was a tough decision for > the CSCG > members to come up with 2 names. > Joana Varon (Brazil) – opening ceremony – > joana at varonferraz.com > Nadine Moawad (Lebanon) – closing ceremony – > nadine at apcwomen.org > For those who don’t know them, > Joana Varon Ferraz is a researcher and project > coordinator > at the Centre for Technology and Society from Fundação > Getulio Vargas in Rio de Janeiro > Nadine Moawad is a Lebanese feminist activist and > grasssroots worker who leads Association for > Progressive > Communication (APC)'s sexual > rights work. > We commend them both as informed excellent > communicators to > represent civil society. They have both been > informed of > their nominations. > Ian Peter (Independent Chair, Civil Society > Coordination Group) > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > > > ');>. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > > -- > > /Carolina Rossini / > /Vice President, International Policy/ > *Public Knowledge* > _http://www.publicknowledge.org/_ > + 1 6176979389 | skype: > carolrossini | @carolinarossini > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net . > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > > -- > *Marília Maciel* > Pesquisadora Gestora - Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio > Researcher and Coordinator - Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law > School > http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts > > DiploFoundation associate - www.diplomacy.edu > PoliTICs Magazine Advisory Committee - http://www.politics.org.br/ > Subscribe "Digital Rights: Latin America & the > Caribbean" - http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -- Deborah Brown Senior Project Coordinator Association for Progressive Communications (APC) www.apc.org deborah at apc.org @deblebrown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm so sad to hear that. Ronald was à great man and à passionate > activist of freedom of Expression and we have done so many common battles > at the WSIS, at the Council of Europe and at the IGF too... > I shall immediately join the page of commemoration as Ian Peter suggest‎s > and thank you for sharing this valuable information.... > Giacomo > > De: Meryem Marzouki > Envoyé: dimanche, 1 novembre 2015 22:30 > À: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Ian Peter > Répondre à: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > Objet: Re: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven > > > Very sad indeed to learn that Ronnie passed away. I met him during WSIS > early preparation days, where he was very active with the media caucus. We, > in the human rights caucus, fought many battles jointly with Ronnie. We had > different views, too, on some issues, but discussions with Ronnie were > always very friendly, and it was always a pleasure to see him at IGFs as > well as different Internet and Internet governance related meetings. > Yes, he will be missed. > Meryem Marzouki > > Le 1 nov. 2015 à 17:36, "Ian Peter" ian.peter at ianpeter.com>> a écrit : > > I just received the following news via Michele Koven - “Our father, > Ronald Koven, died early Friday morning in Paris. He will be very missed. > August 11, 1935-October 30, 2015. We will be creating both a memorial > Facebook page and separate website in his honor where people can post any > memories, thoughts, or pictures they would like to share.” > > Ronald was a great leader in the field of journalism and human rights and > a frequent contributor here. > > Ian Peter > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error, please notify the system > manager. 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Name: Ronald Koven.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 110653 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From milton at gatech.edu Sun Nov 1 20:49:30 2015 From: milton at gatech.edu (Mueller, Milton L) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 01:49:30 +0000 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Nominations for IGF closing and opening speakers In-Reply-To: <563374C8.4090609@itforchange.net> References: <562BBDA7.6000304@itforchange.net> <00F502C9-26FE-423A-A7CE-62613595E536@difference.com.au> <563374C8.4090609@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Parminder: Too much here seems to be hanging on one point that I do not understand what is a p2p technical architecture :). Even though I have said that I did know it, and I would expect people to take such a statement at face value. MM: This is not worth spending a lot of time on, but no, I would not take such a claim at face value. Lots of people claim they know something, but don’t. And someone who describes email as a P2P architecture is clearly confused about the topic. You should thank David for his helpful explanation, learn something, and move on. I keep hoping that this Northern project of building the capacity of ignorant people in the South would have some expiry date somewhere, but it does not seem to. MM: Let me remind you that no one is accusing “the South” of making a mistake, the charge was directed specifically at you, as an individual. I know you like the think of yourself as “the South” personified but does anyone else? It’s rather petty to play the identity politics card to draw attention away from your own failings. This point is rather more substantial. However, still an allegation of a 'confusion' that I do not have. In fact, I myself insist that we do not use technical governance to leverage political solutions, MM: Sorry, but I would still have to say you are deeply confused. People with experience of governance and/or with the history of governance of large technical system know that political/institutional solutions and technical systems have to be congruent. Political or technical, if you want to regulate you have to know what it is you are regulating and how it works. If you don’t know how things work, you won’t know where the politics reside. Ironically, you were the one who started this thread by couching a political argument in technical terms. The current internet was worse, you said, because it was less P2P and more concentrated. You said that apps were more closed technically, etc. So after making half-baked claims about how the technical system is evolving you shouldn’t be complaining when people expect you to know your tech. Parminder, political correctness doesn’t trump everything. In other words, if you think that the ardor of your (1970s-vintage) “progressive” religion exempts you from the discipline of knowing what you are talking about, you’re wrong. Maybe you will rally some True Believers looking for a guru but on the whole this is an ideologically diverse, skeptical and secular environment and you can expect your claims to be subject to critical scrutiny. --MM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From milton at gatech.edu Sun Nov 1 20:51:31 2015 From: milton at gatech.edu (Mueller, Milton L) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 01:51:31 +0000 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] CSCG nominations for civil society speakers at IGF In-Reply-To: References: <329E4D25FA9741FBA266911DB82F76DD@Toshiba> Message-ID: Ooops, I sent that before I finished my thought. Anyway, as the closing ceremony speaker from last year, I would highly recommend that Joanna be in the opening session! She’ll get 10 times as much exposure. --MM From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Carolina Rossini Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 1:32 PM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; joana at varonferraz.com Cc: Lea Kaspar ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> < ; Ian Peter ; JNC Forum Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] CSCG nominations for civil society speakers at IGF Good that you sent an updated bio Jo, I was about to do that when I saw Ian's email. I am very happy about the nominations, but I would invert the order of possible. Having a Brazilian at the end, as we had Grace and Burcu as CS for closing ceremony, is VERY important politically. Not just for CS, but actually more as a opportunity to have the closing speech also refer to national issues and ask specific commitments from the Brazilian policy makers there. As Joana is incredible aware, since she is deeply involved in the discussions, folks are trying to puncture Marco Civil and cut back on other digital rights in Brazil... We - the digital rights community - lost a lot of attention due to all the political corruption that has take over all the media attention. We need to have Joana - as a Brasilian - putting the "country" against the wall in front of everybody. And I feel the closing ceremony is better for that purpose. I am saying all this without having spoken with Joana. So, I am not sure if she is available. But I wanted to make sure to leave my opinion on this issue. C On Friday, October 30, 2015, > wrote: Thanks, Ian and everyone! I cannot express how honored I'm for this nomination. I hope I can respond to the task with the bright it entails. As soon as nomination is confirmed I will share a pad for people to bring inputs. Will already be dreaming with some insights. Just a correction in my institutional presentation as I'm not CTS for more then 1 and half year now :): I'm founder director and creative chaos catalyst of Coding Rights, a women lead think-and-do tank with the mission to bring hackers, geeks, artists, researchers and activists together to protect, promote and mainstream digital rights and empower women on ICTs. More on @codingrights or codingrights.org (still temporary work in progress) Thank you once again and have safe travels to João Pessoa. We will be waiting for you all to cheer with caipirinhas or fresh coconut water. Kind regards, Joana On 30 Oct 2015 17:36, Lea Kaspar > wrote: Congratulations to both, proud to be represented by these women. Many thanks to the CSCG for their work - excellent choices. Best wishes, Lea On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Ian Peter > wrote: Below are the two nominations from Civil Society Coordination Group for speakers for this years IGF opening and closing ceremonies. They were chosen from a field of 20 names submitted from various civil society coalitions, and have been forwarded to the IGF Secretariat. I must say that any of the 20 names submitted could have represented us admirably, and that it was a tough decision for the CSCG members to come up with 2 names. Joana Varon (Brazil) – opening ceremony – joana at varonferraz.com Nadine Moawad (Lebanon) – closing ceremony – nadine at apcwomen.org For those who don’t know them, Joana Varon Ferraz is a researcher and project coordinator at the Centre for Technology and Society from Fundação Getulio Vargas in Rio de Janeiro Nadine Moawad is a Lebanese feminist activist and grasssroots worker who leads Association for Progressive Communication (APC)'s sexual rights work. We commend them both as informed excellent communicators to represent civil society. They have both been informed of their nominations. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From raquino at gmail.com Sun Nov 1 21:02:05 2015 From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 23:02:05 -0300 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] CSCG nominations for civil society speakers at IGF In-Reply-To: References: <329E4D25FA9741FBA266911DB82F76DD@Toshiba> Message-ID: Hi Knowing politicians from the region who will also interact w/ national, I fully agree. On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote: > Ooops, I sent that before I finished my thought. > > Anyway, as the closing ceremony speaker from last year, I would highly > recommend that Joanna be in the opening session! She’ll get 10 times as much > exposure. > > > > --MM > > > > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Carolina Rossini > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 1:32 PM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; joana at varonferraz.com > Cc: Lea Kaspar ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> < > ; Ian Peter ; JNC Forum > > Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] CSCG nominations for civil society > speakers at IGF > > > > Good that you sent an updated bio Jo, I was about to do that when I saw > Ian's email. > > > > I am very happy about the nominations, but I would invert the order of > possible. Having a Brazilian at the end, as we had Grace and Burcu as CS for > closing ceremony, is VERY important politically. > > > > Not just for CS, but actually more as a opportunity to have the closing > speech also refer to national issues and ask specific commitments from the > Brazilian policy makers there. As Joana is incredible aware, since she is > deeply involved in the discussions, folks are trying to puncture Marco Civil > and cut back on other digital rights in Brazil... We - the digital rights > community - lost a lot of attention due to all the political corruption that > has take over all the media attention. > > > > We need to have Joana - as a Brasilian - putting the "country" against the > wall in front of everybody. And I feel the closing ceremony is better for > that purpose. > > > > I am saying all this without having spoken with Joana. So, I am not sure if > she is available. > > > > But I wanted to make sure to leave my opinion on this issue. > > > > C > > > On Friday, October 30, 2015, wrote: > > Thanks, Ian and everyone! > > I cannot express how honored I'm for this nomination. I hope I can respond > to the task with the bright it entails. > > As soon as nomination is confirmed I will share a pad for people to bring > inputs. Will already be dreaming with some insights. > > Just a correction in my institutional presentation as I'm not CTS for more > then 1 and half year now :): > > I'm founder director and creative chaos catalyst of Coding Rights, a women > lead think-and-do tank with the mission to bring hackers, geeks, artists, > researchers and activists together to protect, promote and mainstream > digital rights and empower women on ICTs. More on @codingrights or > codingrights.org (still temporary work in progress) > > Thank you once again and have safe travels to João Pessoa. We will be > waiting for you all to cheer with caipirinhas or fresh coconut water. > > Kind regards, > > Joana > > On 30 Oct 2015 17:36, Lea Kaspar wrote: > > Congratulations to both, proud to be represented by these women. > > > > Many thanks to the CSCG for their work - excellent choices. > > > > Best wishes, > > Lea > > > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > > Below are the two nominations from Civil Society Coordination Group for > speakers for this years IGF opening and closing ceremonies. They were chosen > from a field of 20 names submitted from various civil society coalitions, > and have been forwarded to the IGF Secretariat. I must say that any of the > 20 names submitted could have represented us admirably, and that it was a > tough decision for the CSCG members to come up with 2 names. > > > > Joana Varon (Brazil) – opening ceremony – joana at varonferraz.com > > > > Nadine Moawad (Lebanon) – closing ceremony – nadine at apcwomen.org > > > > > > For those who don’t know them, > > > > > > Joana Varon Ferraz is a researcher and project coordinator at the Centre for > Technology and Society from Fundação Getulio Vargas in Rio de Janeiro > > > > Nadine Moawad is a Lebanese feminist activist and grasssroots worker who > leads Association for Progressive Communication (APC)'s sexual > rights work. > > > > > > We commend them both as informed excellent communicators to represent civil > society. They have both been informed of their nominations. > > > > > > > > > > Ian Peter (Independent Chair, Civil Society Coordination Group) > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > > > -- > > > > Carolina Rossini > > Vice President, International Policy > > Public Knowledge > > http://www.publicknowledge.org/ > > + 1 6176979389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mehrzad.azghandi at gmail.com Sun Nov 1 22:52:28 2015 From: mehrzad.azghandi at gmail.com (Mehrzad Azghandi) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 07:22:28 +0330 Subject: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven In-Reply-To: <87E9D74434514A8382DB74BA7DF8E673@Toshiba> References: <87E9D74434514A8382DB74BA7DF8E673@Toshiba> Message-ID: Condolences to Internet Society, Please let me know address of memorial Facebook page to share with other friends and mailing lists. Regards Mehrzad Azghandi CS Activist Sent from my iPad > On Nov 2, 2015, at 12:06 AM, Ian Peter wrote: > > I just received the following news via Michele Koven - “Our father, Ronald Koven, died early Friday morning in Paris. He will be very missed. August 11, 1935-October 30, 2015. We will be creating both a memorial Facebook page and separate website in his honor where people can post any memories, thoughts, or pictures they would like to share.” > > Ronald was a great leader in the field of journalism and human rights and a frequent contributor here. > > Ian Peter > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Adieu Ronald Koven Dr. Abdul Jaleel K. Shittu Assoc Professor / Head of Department Computer Science Fountain University Osogbo PMB 4491 Osun State Nigeria Mobile phone 📞 +2348121746675 abdjaleel at fountainuniversity.edu.ng -----Original Message----- From: "williams.deirdre at gmail.com" Sent: ‎01/‎11/‎2015 21:41 To: "Ian Peter" Subject: Re: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven Condolences to his family. I don't believe I ever met him, but I remember reading things that he had written. Thank you Ian for letting us know. Deirdre Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. From: Ian Peter Sent: Sunday, 1 November 2015 16:37 To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Reply To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven I just received the following news via Michele Koven - “Our father, Ronald Koven, died early Friday morning in Paris. He will be very missed. August 11, 1935-October 30, 2015. 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When my father died in 1999, he was among the first to send his condolences as he was a close personal friend of his. He will surely be missed... May his soul rest in peace in heaven. Walid Al-Saqaf On Nov 2, 2015 09:30, "Walid AL-SAQAF" wrote: > Sad news indeed :( > > I met Ronnie on many occasions because he had a background in journalism > and interests similar to mine, i.e., media, free speech and the Internet. > When my father died in 1999, he was among the first to send his condolences > as he was a close personal friend of his. He will surely be missed... > > May his soul rest in peace in heaven. > > Walid Al-Saqaf > On Nov 2, 2015 07:02, "Mazzone, Giacomo" wrote: > >> Oh gosh ! I'm so sad to hear that. Ronald was à great man and à >> passionate activist of freedom of Expression and we have done so many >> common battles at the WSIS, at the Council of Europe and at the IGF too... >> I shall immediately join the page of commemoration as Ian Peter suggest‎s >> and thank you for sharing this valuable information.... >> Giacomo >> >> De: Meryem Marzouki >> Envoyé: dimanche, 1 novembre 2015 22:30 >> À: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Ian Peter >> Répondre à: governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> Objet: Re: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven >> >> >> Very sad indeed to learn that Ronnie passed away. I met him during WSIS >> early preparation days, where he was very active with the media caucus. We, >> in the human rights caucus, fought many battles jointly with Ronnie. We had >> different views, too, on some issues, but discussions with Ronnie were >> always very friendly, and it was always a pleasure to see him at IGFs as >> well as different Internet and Internet governance related meetings. >> Yes, he will be missed. >> Meryem Marzouki >> >> Le 1 nov. 2015 à 17:36, "Ian Peter" > ian.peter at ianpeter.com>> a écrit : >> >> I just received the following news via Michele Koven - “Our father, >> Ronald Koven, died early Friday morning in Paris. He will be very missed. >> August 11, 1935-October 30, 2015. We will be creating both a memorial >> Facebook page and separate website in his honor where people can post any >> memories, thoughts, or pictures they would like to share.” >> >> Ronald was a great leader in the field of journalism and human rights and >> a frequent contributor here. >> >> Ian Peter >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ************************************************** >> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and >> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are >> addressed. >> If you have received this email in error, please notify the system >> manager. 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I believe they also plan to set up a website in the near future https://www.facebook.com/InMemoryOfRonaldKoven/ From: Walid Al-Saqaf Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 3:37 PM To: governance Subject: Re: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven Sad news indeed :( I met Ronnie on many occasions because he had a background in journalism and interests similar to mine, i.e., media, free speech and the Internet. When my father died in 1999, he was among the first to send his condolences as he was a close personal friend of his. He will surely be missed... May his soul rest in peace in heaven. Walid Al-Saqaf On Nov 2, 2015 09:30, "Walid AL-SAQAF" wrote: Sad news indeed :( I met Ronnie on many occasions because he had a background in journalism and interests similar to mine, i.e., media, free speech and the Internet. When my father died in 1999, he was among the first to send his condolences as he was a close personal friend of his. He will surely be missed... May his soul rest in peace in heaven. Walid Al-Saqaf On Nov 2, 2015 07:02, "Mazzone, Giacomo" wrote: Oh gosh ! I'm so sad to hear that. Ronald was à great man and à passionate activist of freedom of Expression and we have done so many common battles at the WSIS, at the Council of Europe and at the IGF too... I shall immediately join the page of commemoration as Ian Peter suggest‎s and thank you for sharing this valuable information.... Giacomo De: Meryem Marzouki Envoyé: dimanche, 1 novembre 2015 22:30 À: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Ian Peter Répondre à: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Objet: Re: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven Very sad indeed to learn that Ronnie passed away. I met him during WSIS early preparation days, where he was very active with the media caucus. We, in the human rights caucus, fought many battles jointly with Ronnie. We had different views, too, on some issues, but discussions with Ronnie were always very friendly, and it was always a pleasure to see him at IGFs as well as different Internet and Internet governance related meetings. Yes, he will be missed. Meryem Marzouki Le 1 nov. 2015 à 17:36, "Ian Peter" > a écrit : I just received the following news via Michele Koven - “Our father, Ronald Koven, died early Friday morning in Paris. He will be very missed. August 11, 1935-October 30, 2015. We will be creating both a memorial Facebook page and separate website in his honor where people can post any memories, thoughts, or pictures they would like to share.” Ronald was a great leader in the field of journalism and human rights and a frequent contributor here. 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On Sunday, November 1, 2015, Ian Peter wrote: > I just received the following news via Michele Koven - “Our father, Ronald Koven, died early Friday morning in Paris. He will be very missed. August 11, 1935-October 30, 2015. We will be creating both a memorial Facebook page and separate website in his honor where people can post any memories, thoughts, or pictures they would like to share.” > > Ronald was a great leader in the field of journalism and human rights and a frequent contributor here. > > Ian Peter -- WISDOM DONKOR (S/N Eng.) 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Oops we are left with comrade Muller The overall tone of this email doesn't take us back to so-called Parminder's charming 70s but closer to the ugly 30s and 40s. MM is missing some good advise regarding his total absence of respect to others in here. I wonder why we have to face his constant arrogance, and why he feels necessary to be so aggressive. Regarding the substance, "Politics" of small of large scale wasn't born in a machine, (except maybe in the mind of a few Nazis). Politics is congruent - at least in a Democracy - to citizenship and public interest. Who's talking about things he knows little about (history of institutional governance?) Technics is not the origins of politics. Human value is pre-condition to politics. Technics? It will adapt to public interest, unless it turns itself in some kind of totalitarian utopia or tyranny. PS: As you can note, I didn't write "Oberstumfurher" or "commissar" but "Comrade". Maybe I should have. JC Le 2 nov. 2015 à 02:49, Mueller, Milton L a écrit : > Parminder: > > Too much here seems to be hanging on one point that I do not understand what is a p2p technical architecture :). Even though I have said that I did know it, and I would expect people to take such a statement at face value. > > MM: This is not worth spending a lot of time on, but no, I would not take such a claim at face value. Lots of people claim they know something, but don’t. And someone who describes email as a P2P architecture is clearly confused about the topic. You should thank David for his helpful explanation, learn something, and move on. > > I keep hoping that this Northern project of building the capacity of ignorant people in the South would have some expiry date somewhere, but it does not seem to. > > MM: Let me remind you that no one is accusing “the South” of making a mistake, the charge was directed specifically at you, as an individual. I know you like the think of yourself as “the South” personified but does anyone else? It’s rather petty to play the identity politics card to draw attention away from your own failings. > > This point is rather more substantial. However, still an allegation of a 'confusion' that I do not have. In fact, I myself insist that we do not use technical governance to leverage political solutions, > > MM: Sorry, but I would still have to say you are deeply confused. People with experience of governance and/or with the history of governance of large technical system know that political/institutional solutions and technical systems have to be congruent. Political or technical, if you want to regulate you have to know what it is you are regulating and how it works. If you don’t know how things work, you won’t know where the politics reside. > > Ironically, you were the one who started this thread by couching a political argument in technical terms. The current internet was worse, you said, because it was less P2P and more concentrated. You said that apps were more closed technically, etc. So after making half-baked claims about how the technical system is evolving you shouldn’t be complaining when people expect you to know your tech. > > Parminder, political correctness doesn’t trump everything. In other words, if you think that the ardor of your (1970s-vintage) “progressive” religion exempts you from the discipline of knowing what you are talking about, you’re wrong. Maybe you will rally some True Believers looking for a guru but on the whole this is an ideologically diverse, skeptical and secular environment and you can expect your claims to be subject to critical scrutiny. > > --MM > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeanchristophe.nothias at gmail.com Mon Nov 2 00:58:32 2015 From: jeanchristophe.nothias at gmail.com (Jean-Christophe Nothias) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 06:58:32 +0100 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] CSCG nominations for civil society speakers at IGF In-Reply-To: References: <329E4D25FA9741FBA266911DB82F76DD@Toshiba> Message-ID: That sounds like an info. Not so sure about the measurement methodology but maybe the issue is anyway less about speaking at the beginning or at the end, but simply about the content: are the speakers supposed to speak for themselves (and whatever brilliant idea) or for the CS community? Maybe this is more of the real concern in such venue. In the Balkans, there is a saying: "Clear voices can be heard from afar". JC Le 2 nov. 2015 à 02:51, Mueller, Milton L a écrit : > Ooops, I sent that before I finished my thought. > Anyway, as the closing ceremony speaker from last year, I would highly recommend that Joanna be in the opening session! She’ll get 10 times as much exposure. > > --MM > > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Carolina Rossini > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 1:32 PM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; joana at varonferraz.com > Cc: Lea Kaspar ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> < ; Ian Peter ; JNC Forum > Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] CSCG nominations for civil society speakers at IGF > > Good that you sent an updated bio Jo, I was about to do that when I saw Ian's email. > > I am very happy about the nominations, but I would invert the order of possible. Having a Brazilian at the end, as we had Grace and Burcu as CS for closing ceremony, is VERY important politically. > > Not just for CS, but actually more as a opportunity to have the closing speech also refer to national issues and ask specific commitments from the Brazilian policy makers there. As Joana is incredible aware, since she is deeply involved in the discussions, folks are trying to puncture Marco Civil and cut back on other digital rights in Brazil... We - the digital rights community - lost a lot of attention due to all the political corruption that has take over all the media attention. > > We need to have Joana - as a Brasilian - putting the "country" against the wall in front of everybody. And I feel the closing ceremony is better for that purpose. > > I am saying all this without having spoken with Joana. So, I am not sure if she is available. > > But I wanted to make sure to leave my opinion on this issue. > > C > > On Friday, October 30, 2015, wrote: > Thanks, Ian and everyone! > > I cannot express how honored I'm for this nomination. I hope I can respond to the task with the bright it entails. > > As soon as nomination is confirmed I will share a pad for people to bring inputs. Will already be dreaming with some insights. > > Just a correction in my institutional presentation as I'm not CTS for more then 1 and half year now :): > > I'm founder director and creative chaos catalyst of Coding Rights, a women lead think-and-do tank with the mission to bring hackers, geeks, artists, researchers and activists together to protect, promote and mainstream digital rights and empower women on ICTs. More on @codingrights or codingrights.org (still temporary work in progress) > > Thank you once again and have safe travels to João Pessoa. We will be waiting for you all to cheer with caipirinhas or fresh coconut water. > > Kind regards, > > Joana > > On 30 Oct 2015 17:36, Lea Kaspar wrote: > Congratulations to both, proud to be represented by these women. > > Many thanks to the CSCG for their work - excellent choices. > > Best wishes, > Lea > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > Below are the two nominations from Civil Society Coordination Group for speakers for this years IGF opening and closing ceremonies. They were chosen from a field of 20 names submitted from various civil society coalitions, and have been forwarded to the IGF Secretariat. I must say that any of the 20 names submitted could have represented us admirably, and that it was a tough decision for the CSCG members to come up with 2 names. > > Joana Varon (Brazil) – opening ceremony – joana at varonferraz.com > > Nadine Moawad (Lebanon) – closing ceremony – nadine at apcwomen.org > > > For those who don’t know them, > > > Joana Varon Ferraz is a researcher and project coordinator at the Centre for Technology and Society from Fundação Getulio Vargas in Rio de Janeiro > > Nadine Moawad is a Lebanese feminist activist and grasssroots worker who leads Association for Progressive Communication (APC)'s sexual > rights work. > > > We commend them both as informed excellent communicators to represent civil society. They have both been informed of their nominations. > > > > > Ian Peter (Independent Chair, Civil Society Coordination Group) > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > -- > > Carolina Rossini > Vice President, International Policy > Public Knowledge > http://www.publicknowledge.org/ > + 1 6176979389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Mon Nov 2 01:02:13 2015 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:32:13 +0530 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Nominations for IGF closing and opening speakers In-Reply-To: <804102F2-F67B-4DDC-AA95-6889ED4459BA@gmail.com> References: <562BBDA7.6000304@itforchange.net> <00F502C9-26FE-423A-A7CE-62613595E536@difference.com.au> <563374C8.4090609@itforchange.net> <804102F2-F67B-4DDC-AA95-6889ED4459BA@gmail.com> Message-ID: The technique you describe, Milton, is reminescent of that fine old charade called “science studies” - neither scientific nor a study, as the Sokal Hoax so ably demonstrated :) http://www.amazon.com/Intellectual-Impostures-Alan-Sokal/dp/1861976313 (I believe the book is also published as “Fashionable Nonsense” in some countries). > >> Ironically, you were the one who started this thread by couching a political argument in technical terms. 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I suppose other "technics or science studies" hoaxes such as mass surveillance whistleblowing story by Edward Snowden, to denounce the champions of multistakeholder freedom of expression, occupy a full chapter in this book subtitled "when shit hits the fan". Paint it the color you want, serious issues are pending in your wonderful asymmetric digital world. Le 2 nov. 2015 à 07:02, Suresh Ramasubramanian a écrit : > The technique you describe, Milton, is reminescent of that fine old charade called “science studies” - neither scientific nor a study, as the Sokal Hoax so ably demonstrated :) > > http://www.amazon.com/Intellectual-Impostures-Alan-Sokal/dp/1861976313 > > (I believe the book is also published as “Fashionable Nonsense” in some countries). > >> >>> Ironically, you were the one who started this thread by couching a political argument in technical terms. The current internet was worse, you said, because it was less P2P and more concentrated. 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Bill > On Nov 2, 2015, at 5:37 AM, Walid Al-Saqaf wrote: > > Sad news indeed :( > > I met Ronnie on many occasions because he had a background in journalism and interests similar to mine, i.e., media, free speech and the Internet. When my father died in 1999, he was among the first to send his condolences as he was a close personal friend of his. He will surely be missed... > > May his soul rest in peace in heaven. > > Walid Al-Saqaf > > On Nov 2, 2015 09:30, "Walid AL-SAQAF" > wrote: > Sad news indeed :( > > I met Ronnie on many occasions because he had a background in journalism and interests similar to mine, i.e., media, free speech and the Internet. When my father died in 1999, he was among the first to send his condolences as he was a close personal friend of his. He will surely be missed... > > May his soul rest in peace in heaven. > > Walid Al-Saqaf > > On Nov 2, 2015 07:02, "Mazzone, Giacomo" > wrote: > Oh gosh ! I'm so sad to hear that. Ronald was à great man and à passionate activist of freedom of Expression and we have done so many common battles at the WSIS, at the Council of Europe and at the IGF too... > I shall immediately join the page of commemoration as Ian Peter suggest‎s and thank you for sharing this valuable information.... > Giacomo > > De: Meryem Marzouki > Envoyé: dimanche, 1 novembre 2015 22:30 > À: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Ian Peter > Répondre à: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > Objet: Re: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven > > > Very sad indeed to learn that Ronnie passed away. I met him during WSIS early preparation days, where he was very active with the media caucus. We, in the human rights caucus, fought many battles jointly with Ronnie. We had different views, too, on some issues, but discussions with Ronnie were always very friendly, and it was always a pleasure to see him at IGFs as well as different Internet and Internet governance related meetings. > Yes, he will be missed. > Meryem Marzouki > > Le 1 nov. 2015 à 17:36, "Ian Peter" >> a écrit : > > I just received the following news via Michele Koven - “Our father, Ronald Koven, died early Friday morning in Paris. He will be very missed. August 11, 1935-October 30, 2015. We will be creating both a memorial Facebook page and separate website in his honor where people can post any memories, thoughts, or pictures they would like to share.” > > Ronald was a great leader in the field of journalism and human rights and a frequent contributor here. > > Ian Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wolfgang.benedek at uni-graz.at Mon Nov 2 02:30:05 2015 From: wolfgang.benedek at uni-graz.at (Benedek, Wolfgang (wolfgang.benedek@uni-graz.at)) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 07:30:05 +0000 Subject: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven In-Reply-To: References: <87E9D74434514A8382DB74BA7DF8E673@Toshiba> <5A9E0569-4BBF-4155-BE9C-4C25C03B2007@marzouki.info> <20151101220129.30990425.5405.11720@ebu.ch> Message-ID: I remember Ronnie also as an active participant in the DC on Internet Rights and Principles. We will miss him. Wolfgang Benedek Von: > on behalf of Ian Peter > Antworten an: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" >, Ian Peter > Datum: Montag, 02. November 2015 06:09 An: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" > Betreff: Re: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven Here’s a link to the Facebook page the family has set up. I believe they also plan to set up a website in the near future https://www.facebook.com/InMemoryOfRonaldKoven/ From: Walid Al-Saqaf Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 3:37 PM To: governance Subject: Re: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven Sad news indeed :( I met Ronnie on many occasions because he had a background in journalism and interests similar to mine, i.e., media, free speech and the Internet. When my father died in 1999, he was among the first to send his condolences as he was a close personal friend of his. He will surely be missed... May his soul rest in peace in heaven. Walid Al-Saqaf On Nov 2, 2015 09:30, "Walid AL-SAQAF" > wrote: Sad news indeed :( I met Ronnie on many occasions because he had a background in journalism and interests similar to mine, i.e., media, free speech and the Internet. When my father died in 1999, he was among the first to send his condolences as he was a close personal friend of his. He will surely be missed... May his soul rest in peace in heaven. Walid Al-Saqaf On Nov 2, 2015 07:02, "Mazzone, Giacomo" > wrote: Oh gosh ! I'm so sad to hear that. Ronald was à great man and à passionate activist of freedom of Expression and we have done so many common battles at the WSIS, at the Council of Europe and at the IGF too... I shall immediately join the page of commemoration as Ian Peter suggests and thank you for sharing this valuable information.... Giacomo De: Meryem Marzouki Envoyé: dimanche, 1 novembre 2015 22:30 À: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Ian Peter Répondre à: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Objet: Re: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven Very sad indeed to learn that Ronnie passed away. I met him during WSIS early preparation days, where he was very active with the media caucus. We, in the human rights caucus, fought many battles jointly with Ronnie. We had different views, too, on some issues, but discussions with Ronnie were always very friendly, and it was always a pleasure to see him at IGFs as well as different Internet and Internet governance related meetings. Yes, he will be missed. Meryem Marzouki Le 1 nov. 2015 à 17:36, "Ian Peter" >> a écrit : I just received the following news via Michele Koven - “Our father, Ronald Koven, died early Friday morning in Paris. He will be very missed. August 11, 1935-October 30, 2015. We will be creating both a memorial Facebook page and separate website in his honor where people can post any memories, thoughts, or pictures they would like to share.” Ronald was a great leader in the field of journalism and human rights and a frequent contributor here. 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He was hard as nails, in his clarity of what he wanted, and driving it home... We need more people like him with us, and less mush... A warm farewell, my friend... parminder On Monday 02 November 2015 10:39 AM, Ian Peter wrote: > Here’s a link to the Facebook page the family has set up. I believe > they also plan to set up a website in the near future > > https://www.facebook.com/InMemoryOfRonaldKoven/ > > *From:* Walid Al-Saqaf > *Sent:* Monday, November 02, 2015 3:37 PM > *To:* governance > *Subject:* Re: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven > > > Sad news indeed :( > > I met Ronnie on many occasions because he had a background in > journalism and interests similar to mine, i.e., media, free speech and > the Internet. When my father died in 1999, he was among the first to > send his condolences as he was a close personal friend of his. He will > surely be missed... > > May his soul rest in peace in heaven. > > Walid Al-Saqaf > > On Nov 2, 2015 09:30, "Walid AL-SAQAF" > wrote: > > Sad news indeed :( > > I met Ronnie on many occasions because he had a background in > journalism and interests similar to mine, i.e., media, free speech > and the Internet. When my father died in 1999, he was among the > first to send his condolences as he was a close personal friend of > his. He will surely be missed... > > May his soul rest in peace in heaven. > > Walid Al-Saqaf > > On Nov 2, 2015 07:02, "Mazzone, Giacomo" > wrote: > > Oh gosh ! I'm so sad to hear that. Ronald was à great man and > à passionate activist of freedom of Expression and we have > done so many common battles at the WSIS, at the Council of > Europe and at the IGF too... > I shall immediately join the page of commemoration as Ian > Peter suggest‎s and thank you for sharing this valuable > information.... > Giacomo > > De: Meryem Marzouki > Envoyé: dimanche, 1 novembre 2015 22:30 > À: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > ; Ian Peter > Répondre à: governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > Objet: Re: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven > > > Very sad indeed to learn that Ronnie passed away. I met him > during WSIS early preparation days, where he was very active > with the media caucus. We, in the human rights caucus, fought > many battles jointly with Ronnie. We had different views, too, > on some issues, but discussions with Ronnie were always very > friendly, and it was always a pleasure to see him at IGFs as > well as different Internet and Internet governance related > meetings. > Yes, he will be missed. > Meryem Marzouki > > Le 1 nov. 2015 à 17:36, "Ian Peter" >> a écrit : > > I just received the following news via Michele Koven - “Our > father, Ronald Koven, died early Friday morning in Paris. He > will be very missed. August 11, 1935-October 30, 2015. We will > be creating both a memorial Facebook page and separate website > in his honor where people can post any memories, thoughts, or > pictures they would like to share.” > > Ronald was a great leader in the field of journalism and human > rights and a frequent contributor here. > > Ian Peter > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to > whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error, please notify the > system manager. 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Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: on behalf of ymshana2003 Reply-To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org", ymshana2003 Date: Monday 2 November 2015 at 4:37 a.m. To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org", Ian Peter Subject: Re: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven Condolences to the family and to the Fighters for equity in the Internet. May his Soul rest in Eternal Peace. Amen! 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Rony would not compromise, but he also always listened to others. He was very special to me, and also very supportive when I was a lot younger and new to negotiating text (during 2002-3 period of the WSIS in particular). He was warm and caring and I will miss in terribly. We did not always agree on everything but that did not matter. We definitely need more people like him. It was an honour to have had him as a comrade for so long. Anriette On 02/11/2015 11:57, parminder wrote: > Ronnie defended freedom of expression standing almost as FoE > personified... He was hard as nails, in his clarity of what he wanted, > and driving it home... We need more people like him with us, and less > mush... A warm farewell, my friend... > parminder > > On Monday 02 November 2015 10:39 AM, Ian Peter wrote: >> Here’s a link to the Facebook page the family has set up. I believe >> they also plan to set up a website in the near future >> >> https://www.facebook.com/InMemoryOfRonaldKoven/ >> >> *From:* Walid Al-Saqaf >> *Sent:* Monday, November 02, 2015 3:37 PM >> *To:* governance >> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven >> >> >> Sad news indeed :( >> >> I met Ronnie on many occasions because he had a background in >> journalism and interests similar to mine, i.e., media, free speech and >> the Internet. When my father died in 1999, he was among the first to >> send his condolences as he was a close personal friend of his. He will >> surely be missed... >> >> May his soul rest in peace in heaven. >> >> Walid Al-Saqaf >> >> On Nov 2, 2015 09:30, "Walid AL-SAQAF" > > wrote: >> >> Sad news indeed :( >> >> I met Ronnie on many occasions because he had a background in >> journalism and interests similar to mine, i.e., media, free speech >> and the Internet. When my father died in 1999, he was among the >> first to send his condolences as he was a close personal friend of >> his. He will surely be missed... >> >> May his soul rest in peace in heaven. >> >> Walid Al-Saqaf >> >> On Nov 2, 2015 07:02, "Mazzone, Giacomo" > > wrote: >> >> Oh gosh ! I'm so sad to hear that. Ronald was à great man and >> à passionate activist of freedom of Expression and we have >> done so many common battles at the WSIS, at the Council of >> Europe and at the IGF too... >> I shall immediately join the page of commemoration as Ian >> Peter suggest‎s and thank you for sharing this valuable >> information.... >> Giacomo >> >> De: Meryem Marzouki >> Envoyé: dimanche, 1 novembre 2015 22:30 >> À: governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> ; Ian Peter >> Répondre à: governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> >> Objet: Re: [governance] Sad news re Ronald Koven >> >> >> Very sad indeed to learn that Ronnie passed away. I met him >> during WSIS early preparation days, where he was very active >> with the media caucus. We, in the human rights caucus, fought >> many battles jointly with Ronnie. We had different views, too, >> on some issues, but discussions with Ronnie were always very >> friendly, and it was always a pleasure to see him at IGFs as >> well as different Internet and Internet governance related >> meetings. >> Yes, he will be missed. >> Meryem Marzouki >> >> Le 1 nov. 2015 à 17:36, "Ian Peter" > > >> a écrit : >> >> I just received the following news via Michele Koven - “Our >> father, Ronald Koven, died early Friday morning in Paris. He >> will be very missed. August 11, 1935-October 30, 2015. We will >> be creating both a memorial Facebook page and separate website >> in his honor where people can post any memories, thoughts, or >> pictures they would like to share.” >> >> Ronald was a great leader in the field of journalism and human >> rights and a frequent contributor here. >> >> Ian Peter >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> > > >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ************************************************** >> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential >> and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to >> whom they are addressed. >> If you have received this email in error, please notify the >> system manager. 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That his soul rests in peace. He gave a lot, his life is a story. It becomes our jugs, our lantern. *SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN* *COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFECICANN/AFRALO Member* *ISOC Member* Téléphone mobile:+243998983491/+243813684512 email : b.schombe at gmail.com skype : b.schombe blog : http://akimambo.unblog.fr 2015-11-01 21:36 GMT+01:00 Ian Peter : > I just received the following news via Michele Koven - “Our father, > Ronald Koven, died early Friday morning in Paris. He will be very missed. > August 11, 1935-October 30, 2015. We will be creating both a memorial > Facebook page and separate website in his honor where people can post any > memories, thoughts, or pictures they would like to share.” > > Ronald was a great leader in the field of journalism and human rights and > a frequent contributor here. > > Ian Peter > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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GDCO is the winner of information for development award (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the inclusion of the disabled, GDCO is the winner of i4d 2008 awards for the best innovations at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 for the initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture project and other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award 2011. it is the winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community development in Sudan. The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 Philippines .. it the founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and middle east and the thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) Netherlands (the founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) donated 750 computers and more than ten projects were established using ICT for community development and one of them is e-agriculture. GDCO & SPEG (foundation of eindhoven volunteers for gedaref projects) started new partnership for community development including people with disability (especially deaf), gedaref university, (faculty of medicine) e-agriculture, SeVO and other project On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Baudouin SCHOMBE wrote: > Actually, it's a very sad news but still we can not change or modify fate. > That his soul rests in peace. He gave a lot, his life is a story. > It becomes our jugs, our lantern. > > *SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN* > > > *COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFECICANN/AFRALO Member* > *ISOC Member* > Téléphone mobile:+243998983491/+243813684512 > email : b.schombe at gmail.com > skype : b.schombe > blog : http://akimambo.unblog.fr > > > > > 2015-11-01 21:36 GMT+01:00 Ian Peter : > >> I just received the following news via Michele Koven - “Our father, >> Ronald Koven, died early Friday morning in Paris. He will be very missed. >> August 11, 1935-October 30, 2015. We will be creating both a memorial >> Facebook page and separate website in his honor where people can post any >> memories, thoughts, or pictures they would like to share.” >> >> Ronald was a great leader in the field of journalism and human rights and >> a frequent contributor here. >> >> Ian Peter >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Mon Nov 2 10:16:53 2015 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:16:53 -0400 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Nominations for IGF closing and opening speakers In-Reply-To: <25870AE3-1D72-40B8-8EBF-230B7EE4C467@gmail.com> References: <562BBDA7.6000304@itforchange.net> <00F502C9-26FE-423A-A7CE-62613595E536@difference.com.au> <563374C8.4090609@itforchange.net> <804102F2-F67B-4DDC-AA95-6889ED4459BA@gmail.com> <25870AE3-1D72-40B8-8EBF-230B7EE4C467@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Friends and Colleagues, John Donne (17th century English poet) wrote – Any man’s death diminishes me because I am involved in mankind. I borrowed from him last year in Istanbul. The death of a good man becomes a total loss, unless we remember his actions, learn from them and perpetuate them. We are currently remembering Ronald Koven's actions – can we learn and perpetuate? It’s the same thing with words. Last year we greeted Nnenna’s speech at Netmundial with great enthusiasm. Daniel (Pimienta) suggested that we might distill the speech to arrive at a set of principles. It didn’t get done. This year we will be inspired all over again by Joana and Nadine – but will there be a lasting effect, an “outcome”? Is this something that is worth thinking about by the IGC? Deirdre On 2 November 2015 at 02:27, Jean-Christophe Nothias < jeanchristophe.nothias at gmail.com> wrote: > Good to see such an expert in hoax coming to support MM. > > I suppose other "technics or science studies" hoaxes such as mass > surveillance whistleblowing story by Edward Snowden, to denounce the > champions of multistakeholder freedom of expression, occupy a full chapter > in this book subtitled "when shit hits the fan". Paint it the color you > want, serious issues are pending in your wonderful asymmetric digital world. > > > Le 2 nov. 2015 à 07:02, Suresh Ramasubramanian a écrit : > > The technique you describe, Milton, is reminescent of that fine old > charade called “science studies” - neither scientific nor a study, as the > Sokal Hoax so ably demonstrated :) > > http://www.amazon.com/Intellectual-Impostures-Alan-Sokal/dp/1861976313 > > (I believe the book is also published as “Fashionable Nonsense” in some > countries). > > > > Ironically, you were the one who started this thread by couching a > political argument in technical terms. The current internet was worse, you > said, because it was less P2P and more concentrated. You said that apps > were more closed technically, etc. So after making half-baked claims about > how the technical system is evolving you shouldn’t be complaining when > people expect you to know your tech. > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From vanda at uol.com.br Mon Nov 2 17:12:03 2015 From: vanda at uol.com.br (Vanda Scartezini) Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 20:12:03 -0200 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] NOTE - Call for Nomination: Stakeholder Speakers at the General Assembly High-level Meeting on WSIS+10 In-Reply-To: References: <5634446D.9060505@itforchange.net> <56347293.7090103@itforchange.net> <56347496.9040002@itforchange.net> <00172661A97441C685D1A0F64770BB66@Toshiba> <8587F3C3-613F-4596-B959-25BB895DB88E@gp-digital.org> <5634BB09.1090903@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <5ACF7C58-132A-4402-BA57-D000722B5C53@uol.com.br> Agreed with you Nick. We really need newer voices. Best to all Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: on behalf of Nick Ashton-Hart Reply-To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org", Nick Ashton-Hart Date: Saturday 31 October 2015 at 12:10 p.m. To: parminder Cc: , "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] NOTE - Call for Nomination: Stakeholder Speakers at the General Assembly High-level Meeting on WSIS+10 For what it is worth, I was also on the selection committee and it seemed to me people tried to pick good people irrespective of anything else whilst acknowledging that some of those who would speak would be controversial - but that this shouldn’t be a bar to being chosen particularly if they would reflect a view that was a part of the overall WSIS debates already. There was, I think, an overall interest in hearing from newer voices and the mandate required gender, regional, national, etc balance which is good, but also means that some who would otherwise be great won’t get through because there are many voices from a given region or nationality, but this is not a new or unusual problem. To me the biggest problem was the extreme time constraints that were a product, in part, of the relatively late appointment of the co-facilitators - this limited the time for the word to get out about nominations and also meant that the choices got made so near the meeting that many could not make their visa etc arrangements in time to attend. My 0.02 On 31 Oct 2015, at 13:58, parminder wrote: Going beyond the principle, I'd also be interested to hear from CS who were sitting on the selection committee for the July WSIS event (I think the UN used the same selection mechanism). Did that work at all? Two responses Lea I was on the selection committee, and I wrote to the group about the problems that I am mentioning now. I think it did not work. The business and tech community reps that get themselves on the selection committee are the ones who know the IG CS scene very well, and know those whose views are not exactly what for instance big business will relish and they tend to vote accordingly, certainly very conservatively is not will actual mal-intent, which pushes away some important sections of the civil society. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 5:12 AM, Ian Peter wrote: > Hi Lea, > > I was involved in the process last year, which was a little different. > Quite a number of civil society people were among those who put their names > forward for the selection committee and were among the 18 or so who > participated in a slightly messy voting process with confusing spreadsheets > and 70 or so candidates. Among the CS people who participated here were > myself, Analia, Anriette, Richard Hill, Parminder, Avri. Of the above, to > my knowledge, only Analia myself and Anriette took the opportunity to > participate in the conference call which spent most if its time eliminating > WEOG males who dominated the original voting process. We were able to get > some good civil society names up, and also speak successfully against some > less satisfactory reps from other constituencies. But that was a less > organised process than this appears to be, where decision making was really > left to those who bothered to participate in the call. I think everyone > realised it was far from satisfactory for a number of reasons. > > As regards other avenues for CS participation – I confess I had not heard > of the TFMA, and noone else on CSCG raised it. I guess this is one of the > reasons why I feel someone else should take over my role, as I am becoming > less involved and aware of the various fora evolving in this space which > civil society should be actively involved in. > > Ian > > *From:* Lea Kaspar > *Sent:* Saturday, October 31, 2015 9:42 PM > *To:* Ian Peter > *Cc:* parminder ; > mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net ; > mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org > *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] [governance] NOTE - Call for Nomination: > Stakeholder Speakers at the General Assembly High-level Meeting on WSIS+10 > > Hi Ian, Parminder, > > Thanks for putting this on our agenda. Not against taking a stand on this. > We have precedent with the IGF MAG, so could point to that. Although not > ideal, UN DESA did take on 9/10 CSCG recommendations in the last MAG > intake. And seeing as the MAG selection process is still something that > needs improvement, we could leverage this effort (if successful) in the > next round of MAG nominations. > > Going beyond the principle, I'd also be interested to hear from CS who > were sitting on the selection committee for the July WSIS event (I think > the UN used the same selection mechanism). Did that work at all? Would the > final selection of CS reps at the July event been different had CS had > control over the process? > > While we're on the topic, Ian, does the CSCG actively monitor UN calls for > CS representation in relevant spaces? For instance, did the CSCG ever > discuss the call for nominations for the Adis Ababa Technology Facilitation > Mechanism Advisory Group? The call has now passed (last weekend I think), > and IMO it's a real shame that we didn't have a broader CS discussion about > this. The TFM is passing under people's radar, but could end up being > influential in the broader IG ecosystem. > > Best wishes, > Lea > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 31 Oct 2015, at 08:08, Ian Peter wrote: > > Is there general agreement we should write something pointing this out and > asking for a process where CS chooses its own reps? > > Perhaps we could ask for UNDESA to forward CS names submitted to us and we > will advise our choices? > > Interested in other opinions on this.... we would have to move quickly... > > > > *From:* parminder > *Sent:* Saturday, October 31, 2015 6:58 PM > *To:* Ian Peter ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net ; > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > *Subject:* Re: [governance] [bestbits] NOTE - Call for Nomination: > Stakeholder Speakers at the General Assembly High-level Meeting on WSIS+10 > > This is what para 3 of part I of the section on roadmap of the NetMundial > outcome document says: > > "Stakeholder representatives appointed to multistakeholder Internet > governance processes should be selected through open , democratic, and > transparent processes. Different *stakeholder groups should self - manage > their processes based on inclusive, publicly known, well defined and > accountable mechanism*s." (Emphasis added) > > > > > > On Saturday 31 October 2015 01:19 PM, parminder wrote: > > > > On Saturday 31 October 2015 12:47 PM, Ian Peter wrote: > > Hi Parminder, > > While I agree with your analysis, > > > Ian, I am not sure you are seeing it the way I am. This is not about 4-5 > of us getting a few minutes from the podium. This is about civil society > representation will be chosen in the IG space. And if you really feel it > the way i do, why would you not agree to write as such to those in charge > of the process. > > I don’t think there is any chance at all that this process will be changed > in the short timeframe involved, however strong a protest we make. > > > As I said, it does not matter if it changes. There is a larger structural > point here. On the other hand, I am about 90 percent sure that if all > groups involved in CSCG writes that this is not right, and please let us do > our own selection they would agree. Civil society seems to have forgotten > to leverage its legitimacy, and we seem to cave in to just about > everything, a being beyond us to influence. This is not how it should be at > all, > > So my own thoughts are that it is probably best to get involved, and from > that position make a strong statement that the process is flawed and > problematic from our point of view. > > > Are you saying that the chosen speakers will speak from the podium that > this process is flawed, and in this way? Please be clear. But if we are > ready to have our speakers speak about it at the high level meeting, why > would we not want to write about it to the co-facilitators and the > concerned UN bureaucracy? Isnt that much simpler, and at least have the > potential of meaningful impact. > > I also feel that we should be involved because in doing so we are able to > correct some excesses from our point of view, but certainly not all. > > > Again, did not understand. What excesses, and how are they corrected? > > > However that’s just a personal point of view. We have just opened a > discussion on this in CSCG and decisions may be quite different. > > One problem is that CSCG as such cannot nominate. Those who can according > to this process are: > > > These criteria are for those individuals who want to apply to be on the > multistakeholder selection committee. My proposal is to disassociate CS > selection from this multistakeholder selection process, and ask for CSCG to > do it (I find it highly likely that they'd agree). So, the issue of the > creteria you mention simply does not apply to the proposal I am making and > seeking your and other people's views on. > > Non-governmental organizations in consultative status with the Economic > and Social Council • Organizations accredited to the World Summit on the > Information Society held in Geneva (2003) and Tunis (2005) • Organizations > accredited to the WSIS Forum held from 2011 to 2015 • Organizations with > observer status with the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development > • Attendees of the UNESCO WSIS+10 - ICT4D Conference or the UNESCO WSIS - > Connecting the Dots Conference • Organizations accredited to the Financing > for Development (FFD) process • Organizations accredited to the United > Nations Sustainable Development Summit 2015 • Organizations already > accredited to the WSIS+10 process (July and October meetings) > > So if CSCG as such is involved, it will have to be with our nominations as > representatives of civil society organisations who do fit one at least of > the above criteria. > > > I am not asking for the CSCG to get involved with this multistakeholder > selection process. On the contrary, I am asking for us to disassociate from > it. > > > Another problem is that the time frame for selecting speakers is roughly > that of IGF – and with a 15 hour estimated commitment it may not be easy to > find people able to represent us. I believe that if we are involved we > should try to fill both civil society slots on the selection panel. But > that will have to be as two separate nominations (backed by CSCG) from > different CS groups. > > > Again, you are speaking of CSCG getting involved with the current process, > which is fundamentally different from my proposal to ask for CS nominations > to be taken off the multistakeholder process, and be taken over by CSCG > itself. Same about the rest of your email below. > > > Ian, lets look at it in two parts. Do the involved CS groups agree that > other stakeholders - big business, gov, ICANN/ ISOC - should not be > involved in selection of its reps? Yes or no. If yes, then let us that put > down in a letter. I am happy to fight the case, but if we have such a > position and want to fight the case. We cannot keep citing expediency for > just everything. But if we are ok with such a process, that is a different > matter, and let different groups and individuals give their views... Their > has to be some limit to - we agree it is wrong, but.... > > parminder > > > And if we do nominate representatives on the selection panel, we have to > do so this week. > > And if I may add a further factor – I will be stepping down as the > Independent Chair of CSCG shortly, as my term expires soon. I will not be > standing again, as various factors are making it difficult for me to > maintain an active involvement in these forums; and I think it is time for > one of our very talented (and younger) members to take over. CSCG is > currently drafting an EOI to seek a new independent Chair, with the aim of > opening that process before IGF so that people get a chance to discuss it > while many are present in Brazil. So the replacement process hopefully will > complete by the end of this year. > > So in these circumstances – it would be good to hear from anyone who has > an interest in working with CSCG as part of this particular process; I > don’t necessarily want to be involved if we have good reps able to consult > with CSCG members. If anyone is interested in this and wants to contact me > privately to assist in this way, I would be happy to discuss further and > approach CSCG as regards their involvement. > > Thanks for opening up a discussion on this. > > Ian Peter > > > > > > > > *From:* parminder > *Sent:* Saturday, October 31, 2015 3:32 PM > *To:* bestbits at lists.bestbits.net ; governance at lists.igcaucus.org > *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] NOTE - Call for Nomination: Stakeholder > Speakers at the General Assembly High-level Meeting on WSIS+10 > > Please see the below announcement. > > It seems that there is a strong effort to institutionalise a system of > civil society reps for speaker roles, but perhaps later also for more > substantive roles, being selected by multistakeholder committees, meaning > that big business and technical community gets a veto over civil society > rep selection. (Do remember here that 'technical community' here is not > that odd free and open software group volunteering their time in supporting > government schools or the such. This term is accepted in the IG world now > to denote those who work for and represent organisations engaged with > technical governance of the Internet, and thus represent a governance > status quo group. The semantic confusion about the term, as being people > with technical capacities, is deliberate in order to utilise a certain > legitimacy for what is a power based governance system.) > > The structural problem with such a process should be obvious. > > This is not acceptable for me, my organisation and the networks that I > work with. Civil society has traditionally been fiercely protective of its > independence, which includes the right to choose its own nominees (for > instance, any efforts at national govs 'clearing' civil society reps from > their countries has been strongly resisted at the UN and other global > governance levels). I think we need to write back to those responsible for > this process that , thanks but no thanks, you tell us how many CS sepakers > you want and we have a process of selection for CS reps and we will deliver > the names by the date you want. > > May I appeal to Ian and the CSCG to frame and send such a letter to WSIS > process co-facilitators, and the concerned UN bureaucracy, at the earliest. > Before these mentioned deadlines pass. > > Meanwhile, let me give some background on this.... > > Just Net Coalition did write a letter addressed to the co-facilitators > against such a process of big business sitting over decisions on CS reps. > It seems to have had no effect. > > A few years back, there was an attempt by a certain group in the IGF MAG, > led by the then Exec Director of the IGF, Markus Kummer, to institute a > method of selections of non gov MAG members by a committee of older non gov > MAG members. I was able to attend MAG meetings in those days as a Special > Advisor to the chair. I opposed such a process of CS nominee selection by a > committee that included big business and technical community (read the > ICANN/ ISOC system). I was able to get the support of a few CS MAG members > in the room, and I distinctly remember Graciala, Katitza, and Foaud in this > regard, and perhaps a person or two more whose names may have dropped from > my memory (my apologies).... And because of the CS opposition this > problematic move had to be abandoned. Now it seems to be coming back from > another door, and we need to stand up against it once again. > > Again, we have very little turnaround time here. > > parminder > > On Friday 30 October 2015 08:04 PM, Carolina Rossini wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: NGO News > Date: Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 10:14 AM > Subject: [NGO News:] Call for Nomination: Stakeholder Speakers at the > General Assembly High-level Meeting on WSIS+10 > To: crossini at publicknowledge.org > > > *Deadlines: * > > *8 November 2015: Apply for Selection Committee* > > *12 November 2015: Apply for Speaking Roles* > > *The General Assembly High-level Meeting on the overall review of the > implementation of the outcomes of the World Summit on the Information > Society will take place on 15-16 December 2015 at the UN Headquarters in > New York.* > > This high-level meeting will provide an opportunity for in-depth > discussions on important issues in the implementation of the WSIS outcomes, > including the progress, gaps and challenges, as well as areas for future > actions. > > *To apply to speak at the High-level Meeting, please complete the form > available here > *. > Applications will be accepted from *30 October to* *12 November 2015*. > > *A Selection Committee will be established* in order to ensure broad and > inclusive participation of stakeholders in the high-level meeting. > Applications to the Selection Committee will be accepted from *30 October > to 8 November 2015*. To learn more about the Selection Committee, please > see the Terms of Reference by clicking on this link > . *To > apply to participate in the stakeholder Selection Committee, please > complete the form available **here* > > *.* > > *Background* > > In December of 2003, the world came together in Geneva at the World Summit > on Information Society (WSIS) to declare a "common desire and commitment to > build a people-centred, inclusive and development-oriented Information > Society," and ushered in an era of harnessing the power of information and > communication technology to contribute to the achievement of the Millennium > Development Goals (MDGs). The resulting Geneva Plan of Action established > targets and the eleven action lines, which guide development in specific > areas. > > The second phase of WSIS, conducted in Tunis in 2005, built upon the > achievements of the Geneva Plan, with the resulting Tunis Agenda addressing > additional issues, such as financing and internet governance. Paragraph 111 > of the Tunis Agenda, endorsed by the General Assembly in resolution 60/252, > requested the General Assembly to undertake the overall review of the > implementation of the outcomes of WSIS in 2015. In response, the General > Assembly in resolution 68/302, decided that the overall review will be > concluded by a two-day high-level meeting of the General Assembly, to be > preceded by an intergovernmental process that also takes into account > inputs from all relevant stakeholders of WSIS. > > > > -- > > *Carolina Rossini * > > *Vice President, International Policy and Strategy * > *Public Knowledge* > *http://www.publicknowledge.org/ * > + 1 6176979389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini > > > -- > > *Carolina Rossini * > *Vice President, International Policy* > *Public Knowledge* > *http://www.publicknowledge.org/ * > + 1 6176979389 | skype: carolrossini | @carolinarossini > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > ------------------------------ > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > ------------------------------ > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ian has indicated he will not be renominating. The Independent Chair facilitates the work of CSCG in providing a consolidated nomination process for civil society representatives to outside bodies. Current members are representatives of Association for Progressive Communications, Best Bits Coalition, Internet Governance Caucus, Just Net Coalition, and Non Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN. Nominations are now open and will close on Sunday, November 22. The new Independent Chair will be chosen by a consensus process of the current member representatives. The successful candidate will need to have skills in facilitating and leading selection processes in a timely and efficient manner. The person will need to be able to work beyond their immediate opinions on issues to ensure that all civil society voices are heard and considered in selection processes. They will also be expected to further assist the development and consolidation of CSCG during their two year tenure. 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Even though I have said that I did know it, and I would expect people to take such a statement at face value. I didn’t say you didn’t understand it, I said you confused two different levels of discourse by using technical terms inappropriately. I didn’t state at all whether you were doing so due to ignorance of the technical details, or due to lazy rhetoric because making the distinction wouldn’t help your argument. If anyone had asked, I’d have guessed the latter. > I keep hoping that this Northern project of building the capacity of ignorant people in the South would have some expiry date somewhere, but it does not seem to. You can pretend that this is the dynamic at work here, but I don’t think anyone is convinced. There are plenty of folk from ‘the global North’ (as an aside - always an odd descriptor for an Australian, but I accept the terminology is well established despite that) who similarly will unhelpfully conflate technical and political layers for rhetorical purposes (plenty of US and European activists, say, criticising Internet governance fora for not solving mass surveillance, as if ICANN or the IGF could just decree NSA programs out of existence), and plenty of activists in the global South who are excellent at correctly delineating the complex layering of technical and political (and economic, etc) issues we deal with, many of them on these lists (Pranesh’s recent work on analysis of the zero rating issue is a recent example that springs to mind). >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> Confusing the technical and economic and institutional architectures >>> like this is a problem, because it leads to confusing the roles of the bodies that >>> regulate the various levels. >> ...is especially important. > > This point is rather more substantial. However, still an allegation of a 'confusion' that I do not have. No, I think it is a confusion you are trying to create for rhetorical purposes in that particular message. > In fact, I myself insist that we do not use technical governance to leverage political solutions, and also, as importantly, if not more, not take simplistic and essentialist technical stances in areas that are essentially political, like the area of centralisation or decentralisation of power and control over the Internet essentially is. And in general I’m relatively in favour of decentralisation as well. I still don’t think a p2p system is the same thing as a decentralised system based on a client-server architecture. > It is rather more frustrating when technical actors, or worse, political actors expediently taking a technical cover, insist on some things being 'technical facts' when the issue is really political. And perhaps you are missing the point that it is equally as frustrating when political actors insist on some things being ‘political facts’ when the issue is really technical. No matter how you frame it, P2P vs client-server is a technical distinction not a political one (P2P architectures can have centralised control, client-server architectures can form the basis of decentralised systems). > In this I agree with the above assertion that we should avoid confusion about the role of bodies that regulate at various levels. I’m sure we can at least agree that confusion is not a positive thing, yes. > There is today too much of 'technical' intrusions in Internet related public policy matters, a lot of which serves to defend and legitimise status quoist political-economic positions and advantages. For instance, I have a long history on this list, as elsewhere, advocating that we avoid exporting models of governance that may be suitable in the technical space to the political, or Internet related public policy, space. As I’m well aware - its mostly on the fraught question of what might replace them on where we part ways. > ICANN is a great advocate of such an export, the Net Mundial Initiative being expressly that. I think you will find that while Fadi Chehade may be ICANNs CEO, he is not ICANN, his personal projects don’t always translate well to the advocated positions of ICANN in general. ICANN as a whole has a very limited connection to NMI, and that connection is likely diminishing. Its also worth noting that the NMI is not a governance body - its essentially a funding body, clearing house, etc. I’m sure those directly involved with the NMI could fill in more detail. I’m fairly certain that, despite paranoia, it isn’t really a good example of ‘exporting models of governance that may be suitable in the technical space to the political’, it being neither a political governance nor a good example of a technical model of governance from the technical space. > Even ISOC recently advocated that Internet related public policy issues be addressed taking lessons from how technical bodies like the IETF work. This, David, I am sure, you would take these as instances of what " leads to confusing the roles of the bodies that regulate the various levels”. Sure. But its worth noting that the IETF, ISOC, ICANN, the W3C etc while they may have some things in common, are by no means the same. Many of these discussions will only usefully progress if we drill down beyond the ‘multistakeholder vs multilateral’ etc discussions, and drill down to specifics. 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What changes have been proposed and what do they mean for way the Internet's crucial global coordinating functions will work? The Internet Governance Project and the Centre for Communication Governance at the National Law University of Delhi, India invite you to their IGF workshop on The IANA Transition: A new era in Internet governance? The workshop (#72) will be held Friday morning, November 13 at the IGF venue in Joao Pessoa, Brazil. Mark your calendars! For more information about the workshop and its themes and participants, see this link: http://www.internetgovernance.org/2015/11/03/a-new-era-igf-workshop-on-the-iana-transition/ Dr. Milton L Mueller Professor, School of Public Policy Georgia Institute of Technology -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From analia.aspis at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 22:21:59 2015 From: analia.aspis at gmail.com (Analia Aspis) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 00:21:59 -0300 Subject: [governance] FYI Register at the High-level meeting of the General Assembly on WSIS+10 review Message-ID: Dear members, If you have not already done so, you are cordially invited to register to take part in the *High-level meeting of the General Assembly on WSIS+10 review*, to be held at United Nations Headquarters in New York on 15-16 December 2015. The General Assembly, in its resolution 68/302 on the modalities for the overall review by the Assembly of the implementation of the outcomes of the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS), decided that the overall review will be concluded by a two-day high-level meeting of the Assembly, to be preceded by an intergovernmental preparatory process that also takes into account inputs from all relevant stakeholders of the World Summit on the Information Society. Please register by filling out the form here . The deadline for registration is *13 November 2015 5:00PM EST* (New York time). The event will be web cast live at http://webtv.un.org/ and videos of the sessions will be available in the archive at that link for later viewing. The website for the WSIS review is: http://unpan3.un.org/wsis10/ *Please note that this Invitation is non-transferable. Travel funding is not available from the United Nations for stakeholders participating in this event. * *Deadlines: * *8 November 2015: Apply for Selection Committee* *12 November 2015: Apply for Speaking Roles* *The General Assembly High-level Meeting on the overall review of the implementation of the outcomes of the World Summit on the Information Society will take place on 15-16 December 2015 at the UN Headquarters in New York.* This high-level meeting will provide an opportunity for in-depth discussions on important issues in the implementation of the WSIS outcomes, including the progress, gaps and challenges, as well as areas for future actions. *To apply to speak at the High-level Meeting, please complete the form available here *. Applications will be accepted from *30 October to* *12 November 2015*. *A Selection Committee will be established* in order to ensure broad and inclusive participation of stakeholders in the high-level meeting. Applications to the Selection Committee will be accepted from *30 October to 8 November 2015*. To learn more about the Selection Committee, please see the Terms of Reference by clicking on this link . *To apply to participate in the stakeholder Selection Committee, please complete the form available **here* *.* *Background* In December of 2003, the world came together in Geneva at the World Summit on Information Society (WSIS) to declare a "common desire and commitment to build a people-centred, inclusive and development-oriented Information Society," and ushered in an era of harnessing the power of information and communication technology to contribute to the achievement of the Millennium Development Goals (MDGs). The resulting Geneva Plan of Action established targets and the eleven action lines, which guide development in specific areas. The second phase of WSIS, conducted in Tunis in 2005, built upon the achievements of the Geneva Plan, with the resulting Tunis Agenda addressing additional issues, such as financing and internet governance. Paragraph 111 of the Tunis Agenda, endorsed by the General Assembly in resolution 60/252, requested the General Assembly to undertake the overall review of the implementation of the outcomes of WSIS in 2015. In response, the General Assembly in resolution 68/302, decided that the overall review will be concluded by a two-day high-level meeting of the General Assembly, to be preceded by an intergovernmental process that also takes into account inputs from all relevant stakeholders of WSIS. Please note the VERY tight deadlines. Analia and Deirdre IGC co-coordinators -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Y como se comenta que es un evento de cumpleaños, el cual también se va a celebrar esa noche, si no puedo ir ¡Espero que me envíen un pedazo de torta! Saludos Daniel Cordialmente: José Félix Arias Ynche Investigador Social Para El Desarrollo Sostenible 2015-11-05 15:39 GMT-05:00 Daniel Oppermann : > Hi all, > > GigaNet is having its 10th Annual Symposium in João Pessoa, Brazil, on > Monday 09 November 2015. And as it is a birthday event we are also going to > celebrate it that night. Hope to see you there! > > http://giga-net.org/page/2015-annual-symposium > > http://sched.co/4bGt > > > > > > Best, > Daniel > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From seth.p.johnson at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 21:26:32 2015 From: seth.p.johnson at gmail.com (Seth Johnson) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 21:26:32 -0500 Subject: [governance] What Intergovernmental Authority Lets You Do Message-ID: A clean anti-GPL in TPP's Article 14.7, using intergovernmental authority untrammeled by the legal traditions we the people(s) have established for ourselves. No using the statutory force of copyright to keep code free; instead you may negotiate those terms through commercially negotiated contracts. (from the A2K list) http://www.mfat.govt.nz/…/14.%20Electronic%20Commerce%20Cha… Article 14.17: Source Code 1. No Party shall require the transfer of, or access to, source code of software owned by a person of another Party, as a condition for the import, distribution, sale or use of such software, or of products containing such software, in its territory. 2. For the purposes of this Article, software subject to paragraph 1 is limited to mass-market software or products containing such software and does not include software used for critical infrastructure. 3. Nothing in this Article shall preclude: (a) the inclusion or implementation of terms and conditions related to the provision of source code in commercially negotiated contracts; or (b) a Party from requiring the modification of source code of software necessary for that software to comply with laws or regulations which are not inconsistent with this Agreement. 4. This Article shall not be construed to affect requirements that relate to patent applications or granted patents, including any orders made by a judicial authority in relation to patent disputes, subject to safeguards against unauthorised disclosure under the law or practice of a Party. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From seth.p.johnson at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 21:27:57 2015 From: seth.p.johnson at gmail.com (Seth Johnson) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 21:27:57 -0500 Subject: [governance] What Intergovernmental Authority Lets You Do In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Seth Johnson wrote: > A clean anti-GPL in TPP's Article 14.7, using intergovernmental > authority untrammeled by the legal traditions we the people(s) have > established for ourselves. > > No using the statutory force of copyright to keep code free; instead > you may negotiate those terms through commercially negotiated > contracts. > > (from the A2K list) Fixed URL: http://www.mfat.govt.nz/downloads/trade-agreement/transpacific/TPP-text/14.%20Electronic%20Commerce%20Chapter.pdf > Article 14.17: Source Code > > 1. No Party shall require the transfer of, or access to, source code of > software owned by a person of another Party, as a condition for the import, > distribution, sale or use of such software, or of products containing such > software, in its territory. > > 2. For the purposes of this Article, software subject to paragraph 1 is > limited to mass-market software or products containing such software and > does not include software used for critical infrastructure. > > 3. Nothing in this Article shall preclude: (a) the inclusion or > implementation of terms and conditions related to the provision of source > code in commercially negotiated contracts; or (b) a Party from requiring > the modification of source code of software necessary for that software to > comply with laws or regulations which are not inconsistent with this > Agreement. > > 4. This Article shall not be construed to affect requirements that relate > to patent applications or granted patents, including any orders made by a > judicial authority in relation to patent disputes, subject to safeguards > against unauthorised disclosure under the law or practice of a Party. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Thu Nov 5 21:54:26 2015 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos Afonso) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 00:54:26 -0200 Subject: [governance] IGF 2015 - roundtable on spectrum allocations Message-ID: <563C1662.7090008@cafonso.ca> IGF 2015 – Roundtable 188 Spectrum allocations: challenges & opportunities at the edge When: November 10th, 11:00 - 12:30 (*) Where: IGF Workshop Room 1 The organization should enable facilities for remote participation for those who cannot go to João Pessoa. The roundtable is co-organized by Nupef Institute and CGI.br. What are the topics of this dialogue on the subject? Recent advances in digital radio technologies and the transition (already carried out or soon to take place depending on the country) to digital TV open significant opportunities for local governments, local entrepreneurs, communities and movements to create innovative applications at the edge of the network. Of special interest to our dialogue are the following topics: - Monitoring of real/effective use of spectrum at the local level; - Opportunities and challenges dervied from of the global transition to digital TV, in relation to community use of spectrum in the VHF/UHF bands relocated or released by this transition; - Regulatory and legislative processes that can affect various forms of spectrum use (light licensing, shared spectrum, secondary use) regarding local entrepreneurs, communities and local governments, in light of recent advances in cognitive radio technologies. The table will be open to different points of view related to these matters. We will minimize the initial presentations to spare more time for dialogue. We will have up to six initial presentations of no more than seven minutes each: - A representative of academia (Dr. Catherine Middleton, Ryerson University, Canada) - Up to three representatives of regulatory agencies (to be confirmed) - A representative of civil society (Professor Adriano Belisario, Brazil) - A representative of the business sector with a vision of local services (Steve Song, Village Telco, South Africa / USA) The moderator will be Maximiliano Martinhão, from the Brazil's Ministry of Communications and an expert in wireless technologies, who will make a brief preamble. The total number of presentations should not go beyond 45 minutes, leaving 45 minutes for dialogue between attendees. Participation of members of regulatory agencies may be difficult by the fact that the ITU has already started (on Nov.02) the World Radiocommunication Conference, which will last for almost a month. We are trying our best to minimize this problem. Fraternal regards Carlos A. Afonso rapporteur Nupef -- www.nupef.org.br ---------- (*) Note on Brazilian summer time Since October 19th, 2015, Brazil's official time for Southern, Southeastern and Center-West states is summer time -- clocks have advanced one hour. This *does not* apply to Norhteastern and Northern states, like Paraiba. So, now when it is 12:00 noon in Brasilia, it is 11:00 AM in João Pessoa. -- Carlos A. Afonso Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br CGI.br - http://cgi.br GPG 0x9EE8F8E3 Fingerprint EB2C 8F4B 1C68 8BB7 B6EC 9413 1FE5 1BB0 9EE8 F8E3 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Fri Nov 6 04:44:50 2015 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 20:44:50 +1100 Subject: [governance] CSCG and the speaker selection process for WSIS+10 Message-ID: Dear Civil Society members, (with apologies for cross posting) Below is a letter just sent by CSCG to the organisers of the WSIS speaker selection process, a matter which has been under discussion on various lists. (and as a result much discussion within CSCG) This is also to let you know that CSCG has also decided to endorse Ian Peter and Lea Kaspar to represent its interests on the selection committee, and they will be forwarding details in due course. We acknowledge and respect the decision of JNC not to participate in the process as outlined by DESA, and hence in the selection of candidates to be endorsed by CSCG for their proposed selection committee. We imagine that some discussions will take place in forthcoming days as regards the issues raised in our letter. We will keep you informed of any major developments. LETTER FOLLOWS Dear Co-facilitators of WSIS + 10 process, We are writing to you on behalf of the Internet Governance Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG), a “coalition of coalitions” working actively on internet governance issues. Our member coalitions (Association for Progressive Communications, Best Bits Coalition, Internet Governance Caucus, Just Net Coalition, and Non Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN) extends to some thousands of individual members and hundreds of civil society organisations working actively on internet governance issues. Many have been involved with the WSIS process since its inception. Firstly, we wish to commend you for your efforts to include voices of non-governmental actors in the WSIS + 10 process. However, we would like to raise a serious concern about one part of the process, whereby selection of civil society speakers for various events appears to be being done by a selection committee which includes representatives of other non-governmental stakeholder groups. You will understand that it is of utmost importance for maintaining the independence of civil society that its representatives are chosen by civil society alone, and having other stakeholder representatives as part of a selection committee for civil society representation, or as final arbiters of our representation, is problematic for us. Indeed, in the evolution of the multistakeholder model of internet governance, this was made quite clear in the Netmundial Outcomes Declaration. I quote: "Stakeholder representatives appointed to multistakeholder Internet governance processes should be selected through open, democratic, and transparent processes. Different stakeholder groups should self - manage their processes based on inclusive, publicly known, well defined and accountable mechanisms." In accordance with this principle, CSCG has established its own internal selection processes, which can be found at http://www.internetgov-cs.org/procedures. These are transparent processes, accepted and adopted by a wide range of civil society organisations, and used effectively in the past for selection of civil society representatives for e.g. IGF’s Multistakeholder Advisory Group, Speakers for IGF Opening and Closing ceremonies, The Netmundial meeting, and various other UN and international events where CS speakers and representatives have been required. These procedures take into account gender and geographic balance as a central matter of our determinations. Since some deadlines are quite close with respect to the currently announced process, we request your urgent intervention in this regard. Our proposal is that each stakeholder group choose its own speaker representatives and put these forward. We do realise that increasing - both as widening and as deepening - civil society engagement with the UN is a challenging and complex process, and we salute your pioneering efforts in this regard. The Internet Governance Civil Society Co-ordination Group (CSCG) remains available to assist you in this matter. Sincerely Ian Peter Independent Chair, Internet Governance Civil Society Coordination Group Endorsed by CSCG Members: Chat Garcia Ramilo, Association for Progressive Communications Jeremy Malcolm, Best Bits Coalition Deirdre Williams and Analia Apsis, Internet Governance Caucus, Norbert Bollow, Just Net Coalition Robin Gross, Non Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Attached you will find the full agenda of activities of CTS-FGV at the IGF 2015, with further details on this event. We would also like to call your attention to two thematically related sessions: WS 114 on "Implementing Core Principles in the Digital Age" (10 Nov, 11:00-12:30 workshop room 10) and OHCHR/CoE open forum on the right to privacy in the digital age (11 Nov, 16:30-17:30, workshop room 3). Looking forward to meet many of you in João Pessoa or through e-participation. Best wishes, Marília ​ ​ -- *Marília Maciel* Pesquisadora Gestora - Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio Researcher and Coordinator - Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts DiploFoundation associate - www.diplomacy.edu PoliTICs Magazine Advisory Committee - http://www.politics.org.br/ Subscribe "Digital Rights: Latin America & the Caribbean" - http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please disseminate among your communities. Looking forward to meeting  you in João Pessoa or through e-participation! Divina Frau-Meigs   Internet Governance Forum 2015 Pre-event   Should education 3.0 and children be part of Internet governance? 9 November 2015 09:00-10:00 Venue: Room 7   Introductions and open dialogue with:   Divina Frau-Meigs, Professor, Sorbonne Nouvelle University, Paris, on “Education 3.0 and Internet Governance: A new global alliance for children and young people’s sustainable digital development” (paper published by GCIG)   John Carr, Expert Adviser, European NGO Alliance for Child Safety Online and to ECPAT International, on “One in Three: Internet Governance and Children's Rights” (paper published by GCIG)   National surveys underline that children are major users of the Internet. Drawing on diverse research resources the report "One in Three: Internet Governance and Children’s Rights" reveals that one in three of all Internet users worldwide are under 18 years of age. In the developing world, this rises to around one in two of all users.   Considering children’s increasing access, agency and autonomy in using content and services, their human rights and protection as a vulnerable group needs to be coupled with their education as emerging citizens to ensure they develop a healthy and positive relationship regarding the Internet.   Their general well-being, participation in society, and prospects of employment greatly depend on Media and Information Literacy (MIL) as the new set of basic skills for the 21st century, where computational thinking interfaces with the rich and diverse ‘cultures of information’ (news, data, documents, codes, etc.).     Recommendations for discussion: Make Media and Information Literacy (MIL) 21st Century basics of the school curricula. Regulate data management for learning. Foster the active appropriation by children of their human rights and shared values including Internet governance principles and processes. Support Internet studies and Media and Information Literacy as a ‘frontier’ field in research and education.  Bring together multi-stakeholder governance actors, including children and young people, around the co-design of education 3.0. Harness the potential of creative industries for learning and training. Reboot the Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR) of the providers of Internet content and services to support education 3.0. Engage children and young people in Internet Governance as a more effective stakeholder group within the ranks of civil society. Invite public authorities to consider and collaborate in education 3.0,in particular to develop indicators and accountability mechanisms for next generation (age-sensitive) policies and social innovation. Create the position of UN Special Rapporteur on education 3.0 for children and young people’s sustainable digital development.   For more information about this event, please visit: http://sched.co/4b3U     -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Meanwhile we wish safe travels those who will be attending the IGF physically, and stable electricity and internet connections to those who will be following online. Best wishes Deirdre and Analia -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng Fri Nov 6 06:33:01 2015 From: udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng (Chris Prince Udochukwu Njoku) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 12:33:01 +0100 Subject: [governance] CSCG and the speaker selection process for WSIS+10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great job. Sending Ian and Lea to the selection committee while this letter is forwarded is indeed a wise approach. CPU On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Ian Peter wrote: > > Dear Civil Society members,  (with apologies for cross posting) > > Below is a letter just sent by CSCG to the organisers of the WSIS speaker selection process, a matter  which has been under discussion on various lists. (and as a result much discussion within CSCG) > > This is also to let you know that CSCG has also decided to endorse Ian Peter and Lea Kaspar to represent its interests on the selection committee, and they will be forwarding details in due course. We acknowledge and respect the decision of JNC not to participate in the process as outlined by DESA, and hence in the selection of candidates to be endorsed by CSCG for their proposed  selection committee. > > We imagine that some discussions will take place in forthcoming days as regards the issues raised in our letter. We will keep you informed of any major developments. > > > > LETTER FOLLOWS > > > > Dear Co-facilitators of WSIS + 10 process, > > We are writing to you on behalf of the Internet Governance Civil Society > Coordination Group (CSCG), a “coalition of coalitions” working actively on > internet governance issues. Our member coalitions (Association for > Progressive Communications, Best Bits Coalition, Internet Governance Caucus, > Just Net Coalition,  and Non Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN) extends > to some thousands of individual members and hundreds of civil society > organisations working actively on internet governance issues. Many have been > involved with the WSIS process since its inception. > > Firstly, we wish to commend you for your efforts to include voices of > non-governmental actors in the WSIS + 10 process. > > However, we would like to raise a serious concern about one part of the > process, whereby selection of civil society speakers for various events > appears to be being done by a selection committee which includes > representatives of other non-governmental stakeholder groups. > > You will understand that it is of utmost importance for maintaining the > independence of civil society that its representatives are chosen by civil > society alone, and having other stakeholder representatives as part of a > selection committee for civil society representation, or as final arbiters > of our representation, is problematic for us. > > Indeed, in the evolution of the multistakeholder model of internet > governance, this was made quite clear in the Netmundial Outcomes > Declaration. I quote: > > "Stakeholder representatives appointed to multistakeholder Internet > governance processes should be selected through open, democratic, and > transparent processes. Different stakeholder groups should self - manage > their processes based on inclusive, publicly known, well defined and > accountable mechanisms." > > In accordance with this principle, CSCG has established its own internal > selection processes, which can be found at > http://www.internetgov-cs.org/procedures. These are transparent processes, accepted and adopted by a wide range of civil society organisations, and used effectively in the past for selection of civil society representatives for e.g. IGF’s Multistakeholder Advisory Group, Speakers for IGF Opening and Closing ceremonies, The Netmundial meeting, and various other UN and international events where CS speakers and representatives have been required. These procedures take into account gender and geographic balance as a central matter of our determinations. > > Since some deadlines are quite close with respect to the currently announced > process, we request your urgent intervention in this regard. Our proposal is > that each stakeholder group choose its own speaker representatives and put > these forward. > > We do realise that increasing - both as widening and as deepening - civil > society engagement with the UN is a challenging and complex process, and we > salute your pioneering efforts in this regard. The Internet Governance Civil > Society Co-ordination Group (CSCG) remains available to assist you in this > matter. > > > Sincerely > > Ian Peter > Independent Chair, Internet Governance Civil Society Coordination Group > > Endorsed by CSCG Members: > > Chat Garcia Ramilo, Association for Progressive Communications > Jeremy Malcolm, Best Bits Coalition > Deirdre Williams and Analia Apsis, Internet Governance Caucus, > Norbert Bollow, Just Net Coalition > Robin Gross, Non Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >      governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >      http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >      http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- WebRep [image] Overall rating [image] [image][image][image][image][image] [image][image][image][image][image] [image] -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ias_pk at yahoo.com Fri Nov 6 07:02:55 2015 From: ias_pk at yahoo.com (Imran Ahmed Shah) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 12:02:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?Invitation=3A_=C2=A0Should_education_3?= =?UTF-8?Q?=2E0_and_children_be_part_of_Internet_governance=3F?= In-Reply-To: <185809830.8310.1446807046870.JavaMail.www@wwinf1f26> References: <185809830.8310.1446807046870.JavaMail.www@wwinf1f26> Message-ID: <1359759834.639403.1446811375642.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Prof. Divina for your kind invitation for the introduction towards an important initiative. We also have conducted workshops at last three APrIGF meetings with the title of "Governance for the Internet of Kids, Teenagers and Youngsters" & "Online Safety Awareness and Development of Sustainable Civilized Internet for the Next Generation". Please also share Report Participation links as soon as becomes available. Thanking you and Best Regards Imran Ahmed ShahPresidentUrdu Internet Society, IGF Pakistan From: Divina MEIGS To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; "< bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>" ; Discussion list Cc: John Carr ; LivingstoneS ; jbyrne ; Frank La ; Eric Jardine Sent: Friday, 6 November 2015, 15:50 Subject: [governance] Invitation:  Should education 3.0 and children be part of Internet governance?  Dear colleagues, I would like to draw your attention to the invitation below and in attachment. Please disseminate among your communities. Looking forward to meeting  you in João Pessoa or through e-participation! Divina Frau-Meigs   Internet Governance Forum 2015 Pre-event Should education 3.0 and children be part of Internet governance?9 November 201509:00-10:00Venue: Room 7 Introductions and open dialogue with: Divina Frau-Meigs, Professor, Sorbonne Nouvelle University, Paris, on “Education 3.0 and Internet Governance: A new global alliance for children and young people’s sustainable digital development” (paper published by GCIG) John Carr, Expert Adviser, European NGO Alliance for Child Safety Online and to ECPAT International, on “One in Three: Internet Governance and Children's Rights” (paper published by GCIG) National surveys underline that children are major users of the Internet. Drawing on diverse research resources the report "One in Three: Internet Governance and Children’s Rights" reveals that one in three of all Internet users worldwide are under 18 years of age. In the developing world, this rises to around one in two of all users.  Considering children’s increasing access, agency and autonomy in using content and services, their human rights and protection as a vulnerable group needs to be coupled with their education as emerging citizens to ensure they develop a healthy and positive relationship regarding the Internet. Their general well-being, participation in society, and prospects of employment greatly depend on Media and Information Literacy (MIL) as the new set of basic skills for the 21st century, where computational thinking interfaces with the rich and diverse ‘cultures of information’ (news, data, documents, codes, etc.).  Recommendations for discussion: - Make Media and Information Literacy (MIL) 21 st Century basics of the school curricula. - Regulate data management for learning. - Foster the active appropriation by children of their human rights and shared values including Internet governance principles and processes. - Support Internet studies and Media and Information Literacy as a ‘frontier’ field in research and education.  - Bring together multi-stakeholder governance actors, including children and young people, around the co-design of education 3.0. - Harness the potential of creative industries for learning and training. - Reboot the Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR) of the providers of Internet content and services to support education 3.0. - Engage children and young people in Internet Governance as a more effective stakeholder group within the ranks of civil society. - Invite public authorities to consider and collaborate in education 3.0,in particular to develop indicators and accountability mechanisms for next generation (age-sensitive) policies and social innovation. - Create the position of UN Special Rapporteur on education 3.0 for children and young people’s sustainable digital development.  For more information about this event, please visit: http://sched.co/4b3U    ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From pouzin at well.com Fri Nov 6 09:32:19 2015 From: pouzin at well.com (Louis Pouzin (well)) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 15:32:19 +0100 Subject: [governance] Exposed by Wikileaks: The US Empire According to Itself Message-ID: Exposed by Wikileaks: The US Empire According to Itself Robert J. Burrowes* *http://robertjburrowes.wordpress.com* [excerpts] In the book The Wikileaks Files: The World According to US Empire http://www.versobooks.com/books/1931-the-wikileaks-files which has just been published, we are taken on a journey to understand just how the world works if we read the 'top secret' correspondence of those who regard themselves as our masters. Following a thoughtful contextual introduction by Julian Assange, our journey is guided by eighteen first-rate scholars who carefully explain the significance of a range of Wikileaks-released documents in relation to the region of the world in which they specialize. Overall, the authors provide an extremely coherent account of the way in which the US empire functions. In essence, the unexamined and, hence, unquestioned assumption of the US imperial elite is that they are entitled to control the people and resources of the world for their own benefit and profit. One Wikileaks-released cable after another exposes this mindset at work whatever the national or regional context under consideration. Moreover, any and all weapons are acceptable (irrespective of their lethality and legality) and the only issue is their functionality for achieving imperial goals. And while there has been a recent shift, in some parts of the world, away from the more traditional form of territorial control based on military intervention, non-territorial imperialism can be equally destructive. [...] - - - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From milton at gatech.edu Fri Nov 6 10:09:19 2015 From: milton at gatech.edu (Mueller, Milton L) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 15:09:19 +0000 Subject: [governance] CSCG and the speaker selection process for WSIS+10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nice job, support the content of the letter --MM From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Ian Peter Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:45 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net; forum at justnetcoalition.org Subject: [governance] CSCG and the speaker selection process for WSIS+10 Dear Civil Society members, (with apologies for cross posting) Below is a letter just sent by CSCG to the organisers of the WSIS speaker selection process, a matter which has been under discussion on various lists. (and as a result much discussion within CSCG) This is also to let you know that CSCG has also decided to endorse Ian Peter and Lea Kaspar to represent its interests on the selection committee, and they will be forwarding details in due course. We acknowledge and respect the decision of JNC not to participate in the process as outlined by DESA, and hence in the selection of candidates to be endorsed by CSCG for their proposed selection committee. We imagine that some discussions will take place in forthcoming days as regards the issues raised in our letter. We will keep you informed of any major developments. LETTER FOLLOWS Dear Co-facilitators of WSIS + 10 process, We are writing to you on behalf of the Internet Governance Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG), a “coalition of coalitions” working actively on internet governance issues. Our member coalitions (Association for Progressive Communications, Best Bits Coalition, Internet Governance Caucus, Just Net Coalition, and Non Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN) extends to some thousands of individual members and hundreds of civil society organisations working actively on internet governance issues. Many have been involved with the WSIS process since its inception. Firstly, we wish to commend you for your efforts to include voices of non-governmental actors in the WSIS + 10 process. However, we would like to raise a serious concern about one part of the process, whereby selection of civil society speakers for various events appears to be being done by a selection committee which includes representatives of other non-governmental stakeholder groups. You will understand that it is of utmost importance for maintaining the independence of civil society that its representatives are chosen by civil society alone, and having other stakeholder representatives as part of a selection committee for civil society representation, or as final arbiters of our representation, is problematic for us. Indeed, in the evolution of the multistakeholder model of internet governance, this was made quite clear in the Netmundial Outcomes Declaration. I quote: "Stakeholder representatives appointed to multistakeholder Internet governance processes should be selected through open, democratic, and transparent processes. Different stakeholder groups should self - manage their processes based on inclusive, publicly known, well defined and accountable mechanisms." In accordance with this principle, CSCG has established its own internal selection processes, which can be found at http://www.internetgov-cs.org/procedures. These are transparent processes, accepted and adopted by a wide range of civil society organisations, and used effectively in the past for selection of civil society representatives for e.g. IGF’s Multistakeholder Advisory Group, Speakers for IGF Opening and Closing ceremonies, The Netmundial meeting, and various other UN and international events where CS speakers and representatives have been required. These procedures take into account gender and geographic balance as a central matter of our determinations. Since some deadlines are quite close with respect to the currently announced process, we request your urgent intervention in this regard. Our proposal is that each stakeholder group choose its own speaker representatives and put these forward. We do realise that increasing - both as widening and as deepening - civil society engagement with the UN is a challenging and complex process, and we salute your pioneering efforts in this regard. The Internet Governance Civil Society Co-ordination Group (CSCG) remains available to assist you in this matter. Sincerely Ian Peter Independent Chair, Internet Governance Civil Society Coordination Group Endorsed by CSCG Members: Chat Garcia Ramilo, Association for Progressive Communications Jeremy Malcolm, Best Bits Coalition Deirdre Williams and Analia Apsis, Internet Governance Caucus, Norbert Bollow, Just Net Coalition Robin Gross, Non Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I already sent to you the invitation to our session on – Free Breakfast and Panel on “Internet – Content & Creativity” 9 AM Hotel Cabo Branco Atlantico nearby the venue. Register here Kisses and see you there. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: on behalf of Marilia Maciel Reply-To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org", Marilia Maciel Date: Friday 6 November 2015 at 8:25 a.m. To: "<,bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>,", "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" Subject: [governance] Invitation: Privacy under mass surveillance-IGF day zero and CTS-FGV agenda Dear colleagues, The Center for Technology and Society of the Getulio Vargas Foundation (CTS-FGV) and the German Institute for International and Security Affairs (SWP), would like to invite you to the event “Privacy under mass surveillance: a multi-stakeholder international challenge” to be held on November 9th from 15:00 to 18:00 in João Pessoa, Brazil, during the “Day Zero” of the Internet Governance Forum. Attached you will find the full agenda of activities of CTS-FGV at the IGF 2015, with further details on this event. We would also like to call your attention to two thematically related sessions: WS 114 on "Implementing Core Principles in the Digital Age" (10 Nov, 11:00-12:30 workshop room 10) and OHCHR/CoE open forum on the right to privacy in the digital age (11 Nov, 16:30-17:30, workshop room 3). Looking forward to meet many of you in João Pessoa or through e-participation. Best wishes, Marília ​ ​ -- Marília Maciel Pesquisadora Gestora - Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio Researcher and Coordinator - Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts DiploFoundation associate - www.diplomacy.edu PoliTICs Magazine Advisory Committee - http://www.politics.org.br/ Subscribe "Digital Rights: Latin America & the Caribbean" - http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(and as a result much discussion within CSCG) This is also to let you know that CSCG has also decided to endorse Ian Peter and Lea Kaspar to represent its interests on the selection committee, and they will be forwarding details in due course. We acknowledge and respect the decision of JNC not to participate in the process as outlined by DESA, and hence in the selection of candidates to be endorsed by CSCG for their proposed selection committee. We imagine that some discussions will take place in forthcoming days as regards the issues raised in our letter. We will keep you informed of any major developments. LETTER FOLLOWS Dear Co-facilitators of WSIS + 10 process, We are writing to you on behalf of the Internet Governance Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG), a “coalition of coalitions” working actively on internet governance issues. Our member coalitions (Association for Progressive Communications, Best Bits Coalition, Internet Governance Caucus, Just Net Coalition, and Non Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN) extends to some thousands of individual members and hundreds of civil society organisations working actively on internet governance issues. Many have been involved with the WSIS process since its inception. Firstly, we wish to commend you for your efforts to include voices of non-governmental actors in the WSIS + 10 process. However, we would like to raise a serious concern about one part of the process, whereby selection of civil society speakers for various events appears to be being done by a selection committee which includes representatives of other non-governmental stakeholder groups. You will understand that it is of utmost importance for maintaining the independence of civil society that its representatives are chosen by civil society alone, and having other stakeholder representatives as part of a selection committee for civil society representation, or as final arbiters of our representation, is problematic for us. Indeed, in the evolution of the multistakeholder model of internet governance, this was made quite clear in the Netmundial Outcomes Declaration. I quote: "Stakeholder representatives appointed to multistakeholder Internet governance processes should be selected through open, democratic, and transparent processes. Different stakeholder groups should self - manage their processes based on inclusive, publicly known, well defined and accountable mechanisms." In accordance with this principle, CSCG has established its own internal selection processes, which can be found at http://www.internetgov-cs.org/procedures. These are transparent processes, accepted and adopted by a wide range of civil society organisations, and used effectively in the past for selection of civil society representatives for e.g. IGF’s Multistakeholder Advisory Group, Speakers for IGF Opening and Closing ceremonies, The Netmundial meeting, and various other UN and international events where CS speakers and representatives have been required. These procedures take into account gender and geographic balance as a central matter of our determinations. Since some deadlines are quite close with respect to the currently announced process, we request your urgent intervention in this regard. Our proposal is that each stakeholder group choose its own speaker representatives and put these forward. We do realise that increasing - both as widening and as deepening - civil society engagement with the UN is a challenging and complex process, and we salute your pioneering efforts in this regard. The Internet Governance Civil Society Co-ordination Group (CSCG) remains available to assist you in this matter. Sincerely Ian Peter Independent Chair, Internet Governance Civil Society Coordination Group Endorsed by CSCG Members: Chat Garcia Ramilo, Association for Progressive Communications Jeremy Malcolm, Best Bits Coalition Deirdre Williams and Analia Apsis, Internet Governance Caucus, Norbert Bollow, Just Net Coalition Robin Gross, Non Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Imagining the Internet is a Webby Award-winning, non-profit, civil society project. We ask people to share their views in order to inform policy development, to expose issues, potential impacts and challenges and to tell the story of the Internet's evolution. You will be asked these questions: First: Who are you? (Your name, work title/affiliation, the country in which you live, and your IGF stakeholder group.) 1) Hope? What is your greatest hope for the future of the Global Internet Governance Forum - what should it ideally accomplish for the world? 2) The Top Internet Issues? What are the most important issues that must be addressed in order to assure the best future for the Internet and all people? (What are the most-heard buzzwords/controversial subjects that should be considered?) 3) Biggest Threat to Freedom and Trust Online? Internet experts say one of the biggest threats to the Internet is the ways in which businesses and governments seek to control people's online interactions. What do you see as the greatest threat to achieving the most positive future for the global Internet? 4) Connecting the last billion? In previous years, the IGF discussion has been about connecting the "next billion" people. What specific steps are being taken today to connect the last billion - those who are most difficult to reach and serve? 5) Internet in a nutshell - Using just a few words - in just five seconds or less - VERY briefly describe the future of the Internet. The interviews will be posted during the event at http://www.imaginingtheinternet.org and at https://www.youtube.com/user/ImaginingtheInternet under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 license. Leaders of the on-site interview team are Dr. Kenn Gaither, tgaither at elon.edu, a professor at Elon University, and Aaron Moger, amoger at elon.edu, a video producer at Elon. Students participating as interviewers are Michael Bodley, Leena Dahal, Gary Grumbach, Jacob LaPlante, Jackie Pascale and Paige Pauroso. To see a similar previous project, take a look at our interviews at WTPF and WSIS 2013: http://www.elon.edu/e-web/imagining/event-coverage/wtpf_wsis_2013/default.xhtml The director of Imagining the Internet is Professor Janna Anderson of Elon, andersj at elon.edu. www.imaginingtheinternet.org - Please share your wisdom! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In fact, it only says (in effect) that signatory countries can't require device code to be available -- not that their copyright laws can't enable the GPL. If it had said their copyright law could not allow that, that would have done it. But signatory countries are the Party in question, and their passing a law of a certain type is all it addresses. A statutory requirement to make the code available is disallowed, not anything that would be the subject of a license like the GPL. On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Seth Johnson wrote: > A clean anti-GPL in TPP's Article 14.7, using intergovernmental > authority untrammeled by the legal traditions we the people(s) have > established for ourselves. > > No using the statutory force of copyright to keep code free; instead > you may negotiate those terms through commercially negotiated > contracts. > > (from the A2K list) > > http://www.mfat.govt.nz/…/14.%20Electronic%20Commerce%20Cha… > > Article 14.17: Source Code > > 1. No Party shall require the transfer of, or access to, source code of > software owned by a person of another Party, as a condition for the import, > distribution, sale or use of such software, or of products containing such > software, in its territory. > > 2. For the purposes of this Article, software subject to paragraph 1 is > limited to mass-market software or products containing such software and > does not include software used for critical infrastructure. > > 3. Nothing in this Article shall preclude: (a) the inclusion or > implementation of terms and conditions related to the provision of source > code in commercially negotiated contracts; or (b) a Party from requiring > the modification of source code of software necessary for that software to > comply with laws or regulations which are not inconsistent with this > Agreement. > > 4. This Article shall not be construed to affect requirements that relate > to patent applications or granted patents, including any orders made by a > judicial authority in relation to patent disputes, subject to safeguards > against unauthorised disclosure under the law or practice of a Party. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From puneeth.nagaraj at nludelhi.ac.in Sat Nov 7 01:22:21 2015 From: puneeth.nagaraj at nludelhi.ac.in (Puneeth Nagaraj) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 11:52:21 +0530 Subject: [governance] Analysis of the WSIS+10 Draft Outcome Document Message-ID: Dear All, Apologies for cross-posting! As you must be aware, the Draft Outcome document for the WSIS+10 High Level Meeting has been released . The Centre For Communication Governance, Delhi has published an analysis of the draft and looks at the changes since the Zero Draft. You can find the post below. Please let us know your thoughts or if you think we missed out on something. https://ccgnludelhi.wordpress.com/2015/11/07/ccgs-analysis-of-the-draft-outcome-document-initial-thoughts/ Best, Puneeth -- Puneeth Nagaraj | Senior Fellow Centre for Communication Governance | National Law University, Delhi | Sector-14, Dwarka, New Delhi - 110078 | Cell: (+91) 956-091-4899 | Fax: (+91) 11-280-34256 | www.ccgdelhi.org . www.nludelhi.ac.in | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Sat Nov 7 04:20:56 2015 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 20:20:56 +1100 Subject: [governance] CSCG and the speaker selection process for WSIS+10 In-Reply-To: <1446826181855.50896@syr.edu> References: , <1446826181855.50896@syr.edu> Message-ID: Following up on this letter - We have heard today from the Head of the NGO Branch of DESA as follows: ”I have discussed the matter with the representatives of the co-facilitators and of the President of the General Assembly this afternoon and wish to inform you that there is a common understanding that the members of the selection committee for civil society speakers will be composed exclusively of civil society representatives. Selection of private sector speakers will follow a parallel track.” Which is good news and what we asked for. (and presumably the same pattern applies for technical community and academic reps) We will know Monday who is involved in the Selection Committee as civil society representatives. (Applications for this close November 8) Also please be aware that applications for speaker positions close November 12 – we need good candidates! The application form is available at https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1ffRSw8C5UGYRKrzdpCiWnyc2EMVTbmZ1SVGNnhs0FcQ/viewform Ian Peter From: Lee W McKnight Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 3:09 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Ian Peter ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net ; forum at justnetcoalition.org ; Mueller, Milton L Subject: Re: [governance] CSCG and the speaker selection process for WSIS+10 +1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org on behalf of Mueller, Milton L Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 10:09 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Ian Peter; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net; forum at justnetcoalition.org Subject: RE: [governance] CSCG and the speaker selection process for WSIS+10 Nice job, support the content of the letter --MM From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Ian Peter Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:45 AM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net; forum at justnetcoalition.org Subject: [governance] CSCG and the speaker selection process for WSIS+10 Dear Civil Society members, (with apologies for cross posting) Below is a letter just sent by CSCG to the organisers of the WSIS speaker selection process, a matter which has been under discussion on various lists. (and as a result much discussion within CSCG) This is also to let you know that CSCG has also decided to endorse Ian Peter and Lea Kaspar to represent its interests on the selection committee, and they will be forwarding details in due course. We acknowledge and respect the decision of JNC not to participate in the process as outlined by DESA, and hence in the selection of candidates to be endorsed by CSCG for their proposed selection committee. We imagine that some discussions will take place in forthcoming days as regards the issues raised in our letter. We will keep you informed of any major developments. LETTER FOLLOWS Dear Co-facilitators of WSIS + 10 process, We are writing to you on behalf of the Internet Governance Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG), a “coalition of coalitions” working actively on internet governance issues. Our member coalitions (Association for Progressive Communications, Best Bits Coalition, Internet Governance Caucus, Just Net Coalition, and Non Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN) extends to some thousands of individual members and hundreds of civil society organisations working actively on internet governance issues. Many have been involved with the WSIS process since its inception. Firstly, we wish to commend you for your efforts to include voices of non-governmental actors in the WSIS + 10 process. However, we would like to raise a serious concern about one part of the process, whereby selection of civil society speakers for various events appears to be being done by a selection committee which includes representatives of other non-governmental stakeholder groups. You will understand that it is of utmost importance for maintaining the independence of civil society that its representatives are chosen by civil society alone, and having other stakeholder representatives as part of a selection committee for civil society representation, or as final arbiters of our representation, is problematic for us. Indeed, in the evolution of the multistakeholder model of internet governance, this was made quite clear in the Netmundial Outcomes Declaration. I quote: "Stakeholder representatives appointed to multistakeholder Internet governance processes should be selected through open, democratic, and transparent processes. Different stakeholder groups should self - manage their processes based on inclusive, publicly known, well defined and accountable mechanisms." In accordance with this principle, CSCG has established its own internal selection processes, which can be found at http://www.internetgov-cs.org/procedures. These are transparent processes, accepted and adopted by a wide range of civil society organisations, and used effectively in the past for selection of civil society representatives for e.g. IGF’s Multistakeholder Advisory Group, Speakers for IGF Opening and Closing ceremonies, The Netmundial meeting, and various other UN and international events where CS speakers and representatives have been required. These procedures take into account gender and geographic balance as a central matter of our determinations. Since some deadlines are quite close with respect to the currently announced process, we request your urgent intervention in this regard. Our proposal is that each stakeholder group choose its own speaker representatives and put these forward. We do realise that increasing - both as widening and as deepening - civil society engagement with the UN is a challenging and complex process, and we salute your pioneering efforts in this regard. The Internet Governance Civil Society Co-ordination Group (CSCG) remains available to assist you in this matter. Sincerely Ian Peter Independent Chair, Internet Governance Civil Society Coordination Group Endorsed by CSCG Members: Chat Garcia Ramilo, Association for Progressive Communications Jeremy Malcolm, Best Bits Coalition Deirdre Williams and Analia Apsis, Internet Governance Caucus, Norbert Bollow, Just Net Coalition Robin Gross, Non Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nashton at consensus.pro Sat Nov 7 04:32:32 2015 From: nashton at consensus.pro (Nick Ashton-Hart) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 10:32:32 +0100 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] CSCG and the speaker selection process for WSIS+10 In-Reply-To: References: <1446826181855.50896@syr.edu> Message-ID: <99211DB3-F112-4A97-A6E4-501C4693B210@consensus.pro> Dear Ian, and all involved in the letter, a partial win. DESA are still picking the selectors, instead of the CSG doing the selecting, but you did get the concession on who is amongst the selectors. > On 7 Nov 2015, at 10:20, Ian Peter wrote: > > Following up on this letter - > > We have heard today from the Head of the NGO Branch of DESA as follows: > > ”I have discussed the matter with the representatives of the co-facilitators and of the President of the General Assembly this afternoon and wish to inform you that there is a common understanding that the members of the selection committee for civil society speakers will be composed exclusively of civil society representatives. Selection of private sector speakers will follow a parallel track.” > > Which is good news and what we asked for. (and presumably the same pattern applies for technical community and academic reps) > > We will know Monday who is involved in the Selection Committee as civil society representatives. (Applications for this close November 8) > > Also please be aware that applications for speaker positions close November 12 – we need good candidates! The application form is available at https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1ffRSw8C5UGYRKrzdpCiWnyc2EMVTbmZ1SVGNnhs0FcQ/viewform > > Ian Peter > > From: Lee W McKnight > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 3:09 AM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Ian Peter ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net ; forum at justnetcoalition.org ; Mueller, Milton L > Subject: Re: [governance] CSCG and the speaker selection process for WSIS+10 > > +1 > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > on behalf of Mueller, Milton L > > Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 10:09 AM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Ian Peter; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net ; forum at justnetcoalition.org > Subject: RE: [governance] CSCG and the speaker selection process for WSIS+10 > > Nice job, support the content of the letter > --MM > <> > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org ] On Behalf Of Ian Peter > Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:45 AM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; bestbits at lists.bestbits.net ; forum at justnetcoalition.org > Subject: [governance] CSCG and the speaker selection process for WSIS+10 > > Dear Civil Society members, (with apologies for cross posting) > > Below is a letter just sent by CSCG to the organisers of the WSIS speaker selection process, a matter which has been under discussion on various lists. (and as a result much discussion within CSCG) > > This is also to let you know that CSCG has also decided to endorse Ian Peter and Lea Kaspar to represent its interests on the selection committee, and they will be forwarding details in due course. We acknowledge and respect the decision of JNC not to participate in the process as outlined by DESA, and hence in the selection of candidates to be endorsed by CSCG for their proposed selection committee. > > We imagine that some discussions will take place in forthcoming days as regards the issues raised in our letter. We will keep you informed of any major developments. > > > LETTER FOLLOWS > > > Dear Co-facilitators of WSIS + 10 process, > > We are writing to you on behalf of the Internet Governance Civil Society > Coordination Group (CSCG), a “coalition of coalitions” working actively on > internet governance issues. Our member coalitions (Association for > Progressive Communications, Best Bits Coalition, Internet Governance Caucus, > Just Net Coalition, and Non Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN) extends > to some thousands of individual members and hundreds of civil society > organisations working actively on internet governance issues. Many have been > involved with the WSIS process since its inception. > > Firstly, we wish to commend you for your efforts to include voices of > non-governmental actors in the WSIS + 10 process. > > However, we would like to raise a serious concern about one part of the > process, whereby selection of civil society speakers for various events > appears to be being done by a selection committee which includes > representatives of other non-governmental stakeholder groups. > > You will understand that it is of utmost importance for maintaining the > independence of civil society that its representatives are chosen by civil > society alone, and having other stakeholder representatives as part of a > selection committee for civil society representation, or as final arbiters > of our representation, is problematic for us. > > Indeed, in the evolution of the multistakeholder model of internet > governance, this was made quite clear in the Netmundial Outcomes > Declaration. I quote: > > "Stakeholder representatives appointed to multistakeholder Internet > governance processes should be selected through open, democratic, and > transparent processes. Different stakeholder groups should self - manage > their processes based on inclusive, publicly known, well defined and > accountable mechanisms." > > In accordance with this principle, CSCG has established its own internal > selection processes, which can be found at > http://www.internetgov-cs.org/procedures . These are transparent processes, accepted and adopted by a wide range of civil society organisations, and used effectively in the past for selection of civil society representatives for e.g. IGF’s Multistakeholder Advisory Group, Speakers for IGF Opening and Closing ceremonies, The Netmundial meeting, and various other UN and international events where CS speakers and representatives have been required. These procedures take into account gender and geographic balance as a central matter of our determinations. > > Since some deadlines are quite close with respect to the currently announced > process, we request your urgent intervention in this regard. Our proposal is > that each stakeholder group choose its own speaker representatives and put > these forward. > > We do realise that increasing - both as widening and as deepening - civil > society engagement with the UN is a challenging and complex process, and we > salute your pioneering efforts in this regard. The Internet Governance Civil > Society Co-ordination Group (CSCG) remains available to assist you in this > matter. > > > Sincerely > > Ian Peter > Independent Chair, Internet Governance Civil Society Coordination Group > > Endorsed by CSCG Members: > > Chat Garcia Ramilo, Association for Progressive Communications > Jeremy Malcolm, Best Bits Coalition > Deirdre Williams and Analia Apsis, Internet Governance Caucus, > Norbert Bollow, Just Net Coalition > Robin Gross, Non Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net . > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The Dynamic Coalition on Public Access in Libraries believes that this will only be possible when we recognize the value of the institutions that we already have in our communities for connecting people and information: 320,000 public libraries. The Dynamic Coalition is presenting a statement of principles for feedback during the 2015 IGF main sessions that proposes the critical role of libraries for connecting communities and individuals. In preparation for taking action on these principles, panelists at the DC-PAL workshop will discuss how organizations are connecting communities, and provide examples of actions that each stakeholder group can take so that libraries can realize their potential to connect the next billion. Following this discussion, participants will participate in planning the work of the DC-PAL in 2016. The coordinators propose that the objective of 2016 will be to agree upon three concrete actions that members of each stakeholder group can take to further the principles of promoting connectivity, access and media and information literacy through libraries. Speakers: · Manu K. Bhardwaj, U.S. Department of State – Global Connect Initiative · Stuart Hamilton, International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions (IFLA) – UN 2030 Development Agenda · Ramunė Petuchovaitė, Electronic Information for Libraries (EIFL) – Capacity building in Ghana, Kenya and Uganda. · Additional speakers TBA · Moderator: Christina de Castell, International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions (IFLA) Schedule · 11:00-11:50 Discussion of existing initiatives that promote public access in libraries by participating stakeholder groups · 11:50-12:20 Proposal and discussion of recommended stakeholder actions to promote the DC-PAL principles as 2016 DC-PAL activity · 12:20-12:30 Conclusion and action plan Link to session: http://sched.co/4c0t Link to Principles on Public Access in Libraries: http://review.intgovforum.org/igf-2015/dynamic-coalitions/dynamic-coalition- on-public-access-in-libraries-dc-pal/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anriette On 01/11/2015 14:31, Wisdom Donkor wrote: > Thanks for the email, I will love to be at the meeting. > > I am still working out for travel support. Should incase I get the > support hopefully Thursday or Friday of this week then I will be able to > attend the meeting. > > Cheers > > > On Sunday, November 1, 2015, Deirdre Williams > > wrote: >> Dear IGC members, >> >> Deirdre heard late Thursday afternoon that she will have funding to > attend IGF 2015 in Joao Pessoa. Through the good offices of Eleonora we > have a meeting room – Bilateral Room 3 – on Wednesday 11th November (Day > 2) from 12.00 to 1300. Could you please indicate whether you will be > willing and able to attend a face to face meeting of the IGC at that > date and time? >> >> Whether you will be in Brazil or not we would be grateful for input > for an agenda. Please remember that we have only one hour for the meeting. >> >> Thank you >> >> Deirdre and Analia >> >> -- >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir > William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > -- > WISDOM DONKOR (S/N Eng.) > ICANN Fellow / ISOC Member > Web/OGPL Portal Specialist > National Information Technology Agency (NITA) > Ghana Open Data Initiative (GODI) > Post Office Box CT. 2439, Cantonments, Accra, Ghana > Tel; +233 20 812881 > Email: wisdom_dk at hotmail.com > wisdom.donkor at data.gov.gh > wisdom.dk at gmail.com > Skype: wisdom_dk > facebook: facebook at wisdom_dk > Website: www.nita.gov.gh / www.data.gov.gh > > www.isoc.gh / www.itag.org.gh > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- ----------------------------------------- Anriette Esterhuysen Executive Director Association for Progressive Communications anriette at apc.org www.apc.org IM: ae_apc -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mazzone at ebu.ch Sat Nov 7 16:13:49 2015 From: mazzone at ebu.ch (Mazzone, Giacomo) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 21:13:49 +0000 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting in Joao Pessoa In-Reply-To: <563E5529.9080403@apc.org> References: ,<563E5529.9080403@apc.org> Message-ID: <20151107211348.5369941.9715.14687@ebu.ch> ‎Thank you for the efforts. In principle i'll attend the meeting. See you there.. or around in IGF. Giacomo Message d'origine De: Anriette Esterhuysen Envoyé: samedi, 7 novembre 2015 20:46 À: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Répondre à: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Objet: Re: [governance] IGC meeting in Joao Pessoa Very happy to hear that Deirdre will be here and we will make sure some APC people attend. Don't think I can make it unfortunately. Anriette On 01/11/2015 14:31, Wisdom Donkor wrote: > Thanks for the email, I will love to be at the meeting. > > I am still working out for travel support. Should incase I get the > support hopefully Thursday or Friday of this week then I will be able to > attend the meeting. > > Cheers > > > On Sunday, November 1, 2015, Deirdre Williams > > wrote: >> Dear IGC members, >> >> Deirdre heard late Thursday afternoon that she will have funding to > attend IGF 2015 in Joao Pessoa. Through the good offices of Eleonora we > have a meeting room – Bilateral Room 3 – on Wednesday 11th November (Day > 2) from 12.00 to 1300. Could you please indicate whether you will be > willing and able to attend a face to face meeting of the IGC at that > date and time? >> >> Whether you will be in Brazil or not we would be grateful for input > for an agenda. Please remember that we have only one hour for the meeting. >> >> Thank you >> >> Deirdre and Analia >> >> -- >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir > William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > -- > WISDOM DONKOR (S/N Eng.) > ICANN Fellow / ISOC Member > Web/OGPL Portal Specialist > National Information Technology Agency (NITA) > Ghana Open Data Initiative (GODI) > Post Office Box CT. 2439, Cantonments, Accra, Ghana > Tel; +233 20 812881 > Email: wisdom_dk at hotmail.com > wisdom.donkor at data.gov.gh > wisdom.dk at gmail.com > Skype: wisdom_dk > facebook: facebook at wisdom_dk > Website: www.nita.gov.gh / www.data.gov.gh > > www.isoc.gh / www.itag.org.gh > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- ----------------------------------------- Anriette Esterhuysen Executive Director Association for Progressive Communications anriette at apc.org www.apc.org IM: ae_apc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Through the good offices of Eleonora we have a meeting room – Bilateral Room 3 – on Wednesday 11th November (Day 2) from 12.00 to 1300. Could you please indicate whether you will be willing and able to attend a face to face meeting of the IGC at that date and time? > > Whether you will be in Brazil or not we would be grateful for input for an agenda. Please remember that we have only one hour for the meeting. > > Thank you > > Deirdre and Analia > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -- WISDOM DONKOR (S/N Eng.) ICANN Fellow / ISOC Member Web/OGPL Portal Specialist National Information Technology Agency (NITA) Ghana Open Data Initiative (GODI) Post Office Box CT. 2439, Cantonments, Accra, Ghana Tel; +233 20 812881 Email: wisdom_dk at hotmail.com wisdom.donkor at data.gov.gh wisdom.dk at gmail.com Skype: wisdom_dk facebook: facebook at wisdom_dk Website: www.nita.gov.gh / www.data.gov.gh www.isoc.gh / www.itag.org.gh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As you all know, in December 2015, a WSIS+10 Overall Review High Level Meeting of the UN General Assembly will assess the progress made in implementing the WSIS outcome documents as well as decide on the way forward. As the 2015 IGF takes places only shortly before this meeting, it is an excellent opportunity for civil society to *take stock of where we are in the preparatory process, as well as to strategise about how we can make sure that civil society's main concerns are appropriately reflected in the final outcome document*. Moreover, as the cofacilitators of the WSIS+10 Review process are present in Brazil, and as there is a main session on the WSIS+10 Review at the IGF as well, there are *opportunities for civil society to strenghten its voice in the process at the IGF as well*. To make the most of all those opportunities and building on earlier similar regional and global civil society initiatives , we invite all civil society participants in the 2015 IGF to join us for a session that will: - update you on the process, the main issues at stake and the major faultlines between our governments - share information from earlier regional and global civil society events on the WSIS+10 Review, and the extent to which inputs in the review process which were based on these events are reflected in the current draft outcome document - outline the content of the latest draft, and where the main faultlines with civil society input lie - provide an opportunity to jointly strategise on how to make sure that civil society priorities are strongly reflected in the WSIS+10 Review main session (building on the earlier experience at the NETmundial with similar formats) - collectivitely strategise on the main messages that civil society wants to convey to the co-facilitators of the WSIS+10 Review process, Amb. Nusseibeh from the UAE and Amb. Mazeiks from Latvia. Amb. Nusseibeh from the UAE will be joining the event part of the time. In addition, a civil society meeting with Amb. Mazeiks from Latvia has been scheduled for Wednesday morning, ensuring another opportunity to convey our messages. For more information, please write to anja at internetdemocracy.in or deborah at apc.org. We hope that many of you will be able to join us tomorrow afternoon! With warm regards, On behalf of the organisers, Anja -- Dr. Anja Kovacs The Internet Democracy Project +91 9899028053 | @anjakovacs www.internetdemocracy.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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GDCO is the winner of information for development award (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the inclusion of the disabled, GDCO is the winner of i4d 2008 awards for the best innovations at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 for the initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture project and other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award 2011. it is the winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community development in Sudan. The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 Philippines .. it the founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and middle east and the thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) Netherlands (the founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) donated 750 computers and more than ten projects were established using ICT for community development and one of them is e-agriculture. GDCO & SPEG (foundation of eindhoven volunteers for gedaref projects) started new partnership for community development including people with disability (especially deaf), gedaref university, (faculty of medicine) e-agriculture, SeVO and other project On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:54 PM, Anja Kovacs wrote: > Dear all, > > It gives us great pleasure to invite you to the *Joao Pessao WSIS+10 > Review Civil Society Strategy Meeting tomorrow, from 2-6 pm, at the Joao > Pessao 2015 IGF venue. * > > This event is coorganised by the Association for Progressive > Communications, the International Federation of Library Associations and > Institutions, in collaboration with the Center for Technology and Society > of the Getulio Vargas Foundation (CTS-FGV), Center for Democracy and > Technology, Coding Rights, Global Partners Digital, Kickanet and Public > Knowledge. > > As you all know, in December 2015, a WSIS+10 Overall Review High Level > Meeting of the UN General Assembly will assess the progress made in > implementing the WSIS outcome documents as well as decide on the way > forward. As the 2015 IGF takes places only shortly before this meeting, it > is an excellent opportunity for civil society to *take stock of where we > are in the preparatory process, as well as to strategise about how we can > make sure that civil society's main concerns are appropriately reflected in > the final outcome document*. > > Moreover, as the cofacilitators of the WSIS+10 Review process are present > in Brazil, and as there is a main session on the WSIS+10 Review at the IGF > as well, there are *opportunities for civil society to strenghten its > voice in the process at the IGF as well*. > > To make the most of all those opportunities and building on earlier > similar regional and global civil society initiatives , we invite all civil > society participants in the 2015 IGF to join us for a session that will: > > - update you on the process, the main issues at stake and the major > faultlines between our governments > - share information from earlier regional and global civil society events > on the WSIS+10 Review, and the extent to which inputs in the review process > which were based on these events are reflected in the current draft outcome > document > - outline the content of the latest draft, and where the main faultlines > with civil society input lie > - provide an opportunity to jointly strategise on how to make sure that > civil society priorities are strongly reflected in the WSIS+10 Review main > session (building on the earlier experience at the NETmundial with similar > formats) > - collectivitely strategise on the main messages that civil society wants > to convey to the co-facilitators of the WSIS+10 Review process, Amb. > Nusseibeh from the UAE and Amb. Mazeiks from Latvia. > > Amb. Nusseibeh from the UAE will be joining the event part of the time. In > addition, a civil society meeting with Amb. Mazeiks from Latvia has been > scheduled for Wednesday morning, ensuring another opportunity to convey our > messages. > > For more information, please write to anja at internetdemocracy.in or > deborah at apc.org. > > We hope that many of you will be able to join us tomorrow afternoon! > > With warm regards, > > On behalf of the organisers, > Anja > > > > > -- > Dr. Anja Kovacs > The Internet Democracy Project > > +91 9899028053 | @anjakovacs > www.internetdemocracy.in > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ahmed22digital at gmail.com Sun Nov 8 16:04:04 2015 From: ahmed22digital at gmail.com (ahmed eisa sudan) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 00:04:04 +0300 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting in Joao Pessoa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.unite-it.eu/profiles/blogs/remote-participation-access-to-igf-meetings-9-13-november-in Ahmed Mahmoud Mohamed Eisa +249123031155 Sudani +249912331155 Zain +249999331155 MTN KHARTOUM alamaraat P.O.BOX 15021 post code 12217 http://www.gedaref.com/ Gedaref digital city organization (GDCO) is a nongovernmental and nonprofit organization (Gedaref Sudan), it is part of the Telecentres movement where ICT is used for community development. GDCO is the winner of information for development award (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the inclusion of the disabled, GDCO is the winner of i4d 2008 awards for the best innovations at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 for the initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture project and other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award 2011. it is the winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community development in Sudan. The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 Philippines .. it the founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and middle east and the thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) Netherlands (the founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) donated 750 computers and more than ten projects were established using ICT for community development and one of them is e-agriculture. GDCO & SPEG (foundation of eindhoven volunteers for gedaref projects) started new partnership for community development including people with disability (especially deaf), gedaref university, (faculty of medicine) e-agriculture, SeVO and other project On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Wisdom Donkor wrote: > I will attend > > > On Sunday, November 1, 2015, Deirdre Williams > wrote: > > Dear IGC members, > > > > Deirdre heard late Thursday afternoon that she will have funding to > attend IGF 2015 in Joao Pessoa. Through the good offices of Eleonora we > have a meeting room – Bilateral Room 3 – on Wednesday 11th November (Day 2) > from 12.00 to 1300. Could you please indicate whether you will be willing > and able to attend a face to face meeting of the IGC at that date and time? > > > > Whether you will be in Brazil or not we would be grateful for input for > an agenda. Please remember that we have only one hour for the meeting. > > > > Thank you > > > > Deirdre and Analia > > > > -- > > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir > William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > -- > WISDOM DONKOR (S/N Eng.) > ICANN Fellow / ISOC Member > Web/OGPL Portal Specialist > National Information Technology Agency (NITA) > Ghana Open Data Initiative (GODI) > Post Office Box CT. 2439, Cantonments, Accra, Ghana > Tel; +233 20 812881 > Email: wisdom_dk at hotmail.com > wisdom.donkor at data.gov.gh > wisdom.dk at gmail.com > Skype: wisdom_dk > facebook: facebook at wisdom_dk > Website: www.nita.gov.gh / www.data.gov.gh > www.isoc.gh / www.itag.org.gh > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Varma) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 13:00:15 +0530 Subject: [governance] IGF Invitation: Roundtable on Equity and the Developing World in Internet Governance (Thursday, 12 Nov., Room 10 at 2.00 pm) Message-ID: Dear All, The Centre for Communication Governance at National Law University, Delhi and Digital Asia Hub are hosting a roundtable on *'Equity and the Developing World in Internet Governance'* [*Workshop 78] *at the IGF this year. The roundtable will take place from *14:00 - 15:30 *on* Thursday, 12th November *at* Workshop Room 10*. The workshop aims to discuss, the concept of equity in the changing contours of the 'multistakeholder model'. Equity, in the context of global internet governance, could refer to two concerns: *Firstly*, the equitable representation of voices and perspectives from developing countries and emerging economies, especially civil society, in Internet Governance policy debates. *Secondly* and equally critical, is the notion of inter - generational equity. The Internet community of today is constantly evolving, bringing in new actors, constituencies and interests. The roundtable discussion will attempt to articulate equity principles, with specific reference to three existing Internet Governance structures: ICANN, the WSIS process, and the ITU. Are Internet governance structures well placed to absorb and accommodate new entrants who do not speak the epistemic language of domain names and protocols? If not, what are the institutional barriers preventing such adaptability? The areas of discussion include but are not limited to the following: 1. Equity as increased access and meaningful participation for actors from the developing world. 2. Spaces where claims to equity can be made: ITU, ICANN and WSIS and constituent bodies, associated working groups, regional and national level governance mechanisms. 3. Processes that should be more equitable - plenary meetings, multistakeholder consultations, expert networks and implementation programmes. 4. Barriers to equity and meaningful participation - funding, capacity, representation and gender. The roundtable will be moderated by Professor Ang Peng Hwa, Member - Steering Committee, Digital Asia Hub and President - elect, International Communication Association. The confirmed participants include Rahul Gosain, Buru Kilic, David Bogado, Jan Scholte, Jane Coffin, Javier Pallero, Milton Mueller, Mwendwa Kivuva, Nigel Hickson, Parminder Jeet Singh, Paul Wilson, Peter Micek, Rafik Dammak and Sheetal Kumar. We hope to see many of there and do feel free to get in touch for any details. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From joly at punkcast.com Mon Nov 9 05:33:14 2015 From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 05:33:14 -0500 Subject: [governance] =?UTF-8?Q?REMOTE_PARTICIPATION=3A_IGF2015_in_Jo?= =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=A3o_Pessoa?= Message-ID: The 2015 IGF gets seriously underway today. Remote participation is via webex and one has to register by the session at http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/igf2015-cast - as far as today goes all eyes are on the ISOC WSIS+10 Session at 13:00 (11:00 EST | 16:00 UTC) in Workshop 2. Before attending the session one can bone up by reading ISOC Comments on WSIS+10 Zero Draft. After one can hop over to the Main Meeting Room for the High Level Meeting which will also be webcast at https://youtu.be/qYbrmKYaRXs joly posted: " The 2015 Internet Governance Forum (IGF) will take place on 10-13 November 2015 in João Pessoa, Paraíba, Brazil and in a series of remote hubs located around the world. Quick Links Schedule of sessions involving Internet Society participants R" [image: IGF 2015 in Brazil] The 2015 Internet Governance Forum (IGF) will take place on 10-13 November 2015 in João Pessoa, Paraíba, Brazil and in a series of remote hubs located around the world. Quick Links - Schedule of sessions involving Internet Society participants - Remote participation information - Resources and documents for IGF 2015 participants - Internet Society Policy Briefs covering many of the IGF 2015 themes - Biographies of Internet Society IGF 2015 Ambassadors - Internet Society blog posts related to IGF 2015 - Internet Governance Forum (IGF) main website - IGF 2015 host website (about the meeting) Featured Blog Posts - *On My Way To IGF 2015 *, by Internet Society President & CEO Kathy Brown - *IGF 2015: Tackling key challenges with everyone at the table* , by Constance Bommelaer Overview Focused on the theme of "*Evolution of Internet Governance: Empowering Sustainable Development*", the 2015 IGF focuses on eight primary themes: - Cybersecurity and trust - The Internet economy - Inclusiveness and diversity - Openness - Enhancing multistakeholder cooperation - The Internet and human rights - Critical Internet resources - Emerging issues The Internet Society has strongly supported the IGF from its launch after the original World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) . In 2015 Internet Society staff and chapter leaders will be active in João Pessoa - ISOC chapters are also providing some of the remote hubs . 2015 IGF Ambassadors The Internet Society will once again be sponsoring a set of "Ambassadors" to the IGF. Please read their biographies . More Information Please see these websites for more information about the IGF 2015: - http://www.igf2015.br/ - https://www.intgovforum.org/cms/ Comment See all comments *​Permalink* http://isoc-ny.org/p2/8183 -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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( I was told that the Conference room is new, so the organizers probably have some difficulties here ) But why would the rooms require an entry password? ICANN's remote participation, in comparison, is set up for participants to join easily. Sivasubramanian M -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From andersj at elon.edu Mon Nov 9 13:43:49 2015 From: andersj at elon.edu (Janna Anderson) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 18:43:49 +0000 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Ease of Remote Participation in the Brazil IGF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree that there's too much of a bar to remote participation - more than ever before for IGF - and it is definitely cutting people out. I keep getting notices that rooms aren't available or not "active" when I can see on Twitter that people are posting photos and conversations about what's going on inside them. I have been watching Twitter instead - not even close to a good alternative. Janna From: Sivasubramanian M > Reply-To: Sivasubramanian M > Date: Monday, November 9, 2015 at 1:38 PM To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" >, "Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" >, "forum at justnetcoalition.org" > Subject: [bestbits] Ease of Remote Participation in the Brazil IGF Remote Participation requires a separate registration apart from Registration in the intgovforum.org website and as a participant in the IGF. The rooms are password protected. Each room requires a separate? password Once in the room, I find that the audio does not work. ( I was told that the Conference room is new, so the organizers probably have some difficulties here ) But why would the rooms require an entry password? ICANN's remote participation, in comparison, is set up for participants to join easily. Sivasubramanian M -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From isolatedn at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 13:52:09 2015 From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 00:22:09 +0530 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Ease of Remote Participation in the Brazil IGF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you Janna. ICANN meetings happen on adobe, the rooms don't require a password, so there is good and increasing participation. The design of remote participation in this IGF does keep participants out. Sivasubramanian M On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Janna Anderson wrote: > I agree that there’s too much of a bar to remote participation – more than > ever before for IGF - and it is definitely cutting people out. I keep > getting notices that rooms aren’t available or not “active” when I can see > on Twitter that people are posting photos and conversations about what’s > going on inside them. I have been watching Twitter instead – not even close > to a good alternative. > > Janna > > From: Sivasubramanian M > Reply-To: Sivasubramanian M > Date: Monday, November 9, 2015 at 1:38 PM > To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" , > "Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" , " > forum at justnetcoalition.org" > Subject: [bestbits] Ease of Remote Participation in the Brazil IGF > > Remote Participation requires a separate registration apart from > Registration in the intgovforum.org website and as a participant in the > IGF. The rooms are password protected. Each room requires a separate? > password > > Once in the room, I find that the audio does not work. ( I was told that > the Conference room is new, so the organizers probably have some > difficulties here ) But why would the rooms require an entry password? > ICANN's remote participation, in comparison, is set up for participants to > join easily. > > Sivasubramanian M > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Janna Anderson wrote: > I agree that there’s too much of a bar to remote participation – more than > ever before for IGF - and it is definitely cutting people out. I keep > getting notices that rooms aren’t available or not “active” when I can see > on Twitter that people are posting photos and conversations about what’s > going on inside them. I have been watching Twitter instead – not even close > to a good alternative. > > Janna > > From: Sivasubramanian M > Reply-To: Sivasubramanian M > Date: Monday, November 9, 2015 at 1:38 PM > To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" , > "Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" , " > forum at justnetcoalition.org" > Subject: [bestbits] Ease of Remote Participation in the Brazil IGF > > Remote Participation requires a separate registration apart from > Registration in the intgovforum.org website and as a participant in the > IGF. The rooms are password protected. Each room requires a separate? > password > > Once in the room, I find that the audio does not work. ( I was told that > the Conference room is new, so the organizers probably have some > difficulties here ) But why would the rooms require an entry password? > ICANN's remote participation, in comparison, is set up for participants to > join easily. > > Sivasubramanian M > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From isolatedn at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 14:15:13 2015 From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 00:45:13 +0530 Subject: [governance] 6th meeting of the Dynamic Coalition on Core Internet Values Message-ID: Hello All, Please join the 6th meeting of the IGF Dynamic Coalition on Core Internet Values at Workshop Room 3 on 11th November, 14 00 - 15 30 hours. This dynamic coalition on Core Internet Values was formed following the "Workshop on Fundamentals: Core Internet Values" held during the 2009 IGF at Egypt, chaired by the Internet Society Past President Lynn St.Amour. The Coalition has met during the five IGFs that followed Egypt and its sixth meeting is at Brazil, to be chaired by Olivier Crepin Le-Blond. The pursuit of the Coalition in general is to work towards causing the Internet to evolve in such a manner that its Core Values are not compromised. The stakeholders to Internet Governance might share the view that the Internet remains Global as One Internet, Open, Free, end to end so as to foster Global Access, Permission-less Innovation and Global Prosperity. The sub-theme of the 6th meeting in particular is : "Core Internet Values as a Reference Standard for Global Internet Policy". This would be to discuss the thought that the organizations responsible for components of Internet Governance including large Internet Organizations, Governments and Civil Society organizations could formulate/contribute to formulate Internet policy in a manner that the Internet does not slip away from Core Internet Values. Panellists: Kathryn Brown, President and CEO of the Internet Society Paul Wilson, Director General of APNIC Erica Mann, Member, Board of Directors, ICANN Carlton Anthony Samuels, former Member of the At-Large Advisory Committee Mark Carvell, Representative of the United Kingdom at the Governmental Advisory Committee of ICANN Olivier Crepin Le-Blond, Past Chair of the ICANN At-Large Advisory Committee If you are in Brazil for the IGF, please join the discussions at Workshop Room 3 on 11th November during 14 00 hours - 15 30 hours. Thank you Sivasubramanian M -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And so brave of you to have raised the issue of removal of the > CS protesters... Bravo!! > > parminder > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Antonio Medina Gómez Presidente Asociación Colombiana de Usuarios de Internet presidencia at acui.co @amedinagomez Skype amedinagomez Celular 3118689626 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From kichango at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 17:46:35 2015 From: kichango at gmail.com (Mawaki Chango) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 22:46:35 +0000 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Ease of Remote Participation in the Brazil IGF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah McTim, let us set up a time and get some popcorn for our own remote synchronic watching of Youtube pre-recorded IGF. M. plus, the webex app wants to be able to read all the websites you visit. I will just watch the youtube videos! On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Janna Anderson wrote: > I agree that there’s too much of a bar to remote participation – more than > ever before for IGF - and it is definitely cutting people out. I keep > getting notices that rooms aren’t available or not “active” when I can see > on Twitter that people are posting photos and conversations about what’s > going on inside them. I have been watching Twitter instead – not even close > to a good alternative. > > Janna > > From: Sivasubramanian M > Reply-To: Sivasubramanian M > Date: Monday, November 9, 2015 at 1:38 PM > To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" , > "Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" , " > forum at justnetcoalition.org" > Subject: [bestbits] Ease of Remote Participation in the Brazil IGF > > Remote Participation requires a separate registration apart from > Registration in the intgovforum.org website and as a participant in the > IGF. The rooms are password protected. Each room requires a separate? > password > > Once in the room, I find that the audio does not work. ( I was told that > the Conference room is new, so the organizers probably have some > difficulties here ) But why would the rooms require an entry password? > ICANN's remote participation, in comparison, is set up for participants to > join easily. > > Sivasubramanian M > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From isolatedn at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 17:52:49 2015 From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 04:22:49 +0530 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Ease of Remote Participation in the Brazil IGF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Watching IGF on youtube is watching IGF on TV, and it is not remote participation, until such time as YouTube further innovates its video sharing platform into a full fledged interactive video platform. Remote participation needs to be feel almost as good as in room participation. Sivasubramanian M Sivasubramanian M On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 4:16 AM, Mawaki Chango wrote: > Yeah McTim, let us set up a time and get some popcorn for our own remote > synchronic watching of Youtube pre-recorded IGF. > > M. > plus, the webex app wants to be able to read all the websites you visit. > > I will just watch the youtube videos! > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Janna Anderson wrote: > >> I agree that there’s too much of a bar to remote participation – more >> than ever before for IGF - and it is definitely cutting people out. I keep >> getting notices that rooms aren’t available or not “active” when I can see >> on Twitter that people are posting photos and conversations about what’s >> going on inside them. I have been watching Twitter instead – not even close >> to a good alternative. >> >> Janna >> >> From: Sivasubramanian M >> Reply-To: Sivasubramanian M >> Date: Monday, November 9, 2015 at 1:38 PM >> To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" , >> "Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" , " >> forum at justnetcoalition.org" >> Subject: [bestbits] Ease of Remote Participation in the Brazil IGF >> >> Remote Participation requires a separate registration apart from >> Registration in the intgovforum.org website and as a participant in the >> IGF. The rooms are password protected. Each room requires a separate? >> password >> >> Once in the room, I find that the audio does not work. ( I was told that >> the Conference room is new, so the organizers probably have some >> difficulties here ) But why would the rooms require an entry password? >> ICANN's remote participation, in comparison, is set up for participants to >> join easily. >> >> Sivasubramanian M >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > Cheers, > > McTim > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route > indicates how we get there." 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From raquino at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 17:56:30 2015 From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 19:56:30 -0300 Subject: [governance] Banned Brazilian activists during IGF 2015 Message-ID: In exercising their freedom of expression, activists from brazilian civil society organizations held a silent and peaceful protest during the opening session of the 10th Internet Governance Forum (#IGF2015), an event promoted by the UN and Comitê Gestor da Internet (CGIBr), in João Pessoa, the capital of Paraíba. The IGF – Internet Governance Forum participants took half a dozen posters and a banner to call attention to the defense of net neutrality and the risks that this principle for the free flow of information on the Internet has been suffering in Brazil and worldwide. There was also a banner protesting against the project financed by Facebook, the Internetorg. Protest against Internetorg at IGF is repressed by UN (youtube) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9cxyHqrl2k The protest was repressed by the UN security guards, some of them using of physical strength. After that, the activists were filmed, photographed, some were pressured to show their cellphones and were surveilled during all the session, in an explicit act of intimidation and violation of their privacy. Beyond that, they also had their credentials photographed and withheld by security and were forbidden to participate at IGF> This kind of repression is incompatible inside an event that is precisely discussing how to protect freedom of speech at the Internet and how to guarantee privacy of those who use the world wide web. We demand that the credentials are returned and that the right of each and every one to express her and himself democratically be preserved in a United Nations event. We hope that the brazilian authorities manifest themselves to guarantee that the access of organizations and activists is not prevented. João Pessoa, november 10 2015. Articulação Marco Civil Já -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From joly at punkcast.com Tue Nov 10 18:15:28 2015 From: joly at punkcast.com (Joly MacFie) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:15:28 -0500 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Ease of Remote Participation in the Brazil IGF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If following 3 or 4 different rooms on YouTube *and* webex both because one or other them keeps cutting out, with 3 other browsers open running the transcripts, plus skype twitter and jabber back channels, isn't remote participation, I don't know what is! :P [image: Inline image 1] On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Sivasubramanian M wrote: > Watching IGF on youtube is watching IGF on TV, and it is not remote > participation, until such time as YouTube further innovates its video > sharing platform into a full fledged interactive video platform. Remote > participation needs to be feel almost as good as in room participation. > > Sivasubramanian M > > Sivasubramanian M > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 4:16 AM, Mawaki Chango wrote: > >> Yeah McTim, let us set up a time and get some popcorn for our own remote >> synchronic watching of Youtube pre-recorded IGF. >> >> M. >> plus, the webex app wants to be able to read all the websites you visit. >> >> I will just watch the youtube videos! >> >> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Janna Anderson wrote: >> >>> I agree that there’s too much of a bar to remote participation – more >>> than ever before for IGF - and it is definitely cutting people out. I keep >>> getting notices that rooms aren’t available or not “active” when I can see >>> on Twitter that people are posting photos and conversations about what’s >>> going on inside them. I have been watching Twitter instead – not even close >>> to a good alternative. >>> >>> Janna >>> >>> From: Sivasubramanian M >>> Reply-To: Sivasubramanian M >>> Date: Monday, November 9, 2015 at 1:38 PM >>> To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" , >>> "Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" , " >>> forum at justnetcoalition.org" >>> Subject: [bestbits] Ease of Remote Participation in the Brazil IGF >>> >>> Remote Participation requires a separate registration apart from >>> Registration in the intgovforum.org website and as a participant in the >>> IGF. The rooms are password protected. Each room requires a separate? >>> password >>> >>> Once in the room, I find that the audio does not work. ( I was told that >>> the Conference room is new, so the organizers probably have some >>> difficulties here ) But why would the rooms require an entry password? >>> ICANN's remote participation, in comparison, is set up for participants to >>> join easily. >>> >>> Sivasubramanian M >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> >> McTim >> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route >> indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regarding the protests, it is relevant to refer to the rules of the UN regarding territories under its jurisdiction. The IGF site itself has a summary of rules of procedures here regarding the UN territory in which it is held: http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/frequently-asked-questions-2015 They describe procedures to obtain authorization to display posters, publications, and any other manifestation beyond the scheduled programming. The UN rules do not allow for unauthorized manifestations of any kind inside meeting rooms. I and some other colleagues talked to the two people directly affected who had their credentials suspended, and they confirmed there was no violence from any side. Similar situations happened in Sharm-el-Sheik, and I recall Markus patiently explaining to protesters those rules. The point is: the UN does not allow unauthorized manifestations inside its premises. The host country agreement defines the premises of the IGF as UN territory. Just to be a bit objective in this case. fraternal regards --c.a. On 10-11-15 17:13, parminder wrote: > Congrats Joana, it was the most substantial and evocative speech I have > heard at the IGF in a long time (if ever)! > > It was both precisely to the point, and carried the right emotion and > evocation. And so brave of you to have raised the issue of removal of > the CS protesters... Bravo!! > > parminder > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- Carlos A. Afonso Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br CGI.br - http://cgi.br GPG 0x9EE8F8E3 Fingerprint EB2C 8F4B 1C68 8BB7 B6EC 9413 1FE5 1BB0 9EE8 F8E3 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From tarakiyee at apc.org Tue Nov 10 18:39:28 2015 From: tarakiyee at apc.org (Tarakiyee) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:39:28 -0300 Subject: [governance] Joana's speech In-Reply-To: <56427EBA.4090702@cafonso.ca> References: <56425007.5070001@itforchange.net> <56427EBA.4090702@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <3C9F9CE1-B15A-4A14-8385-06CD7FDFCBED@apc.org> But clearly just because the UN decides not to allow it, does not mean it's not a violation of the right to free expression? Best, Tarakiyee On November 10, 2015 8:33:14 PM GMT-03:00, Carlos Afonso wrote: >I also applauded Joana's courageous speech. Regarding the protests, it >is relevant to refer to the rules of the UN regarding territories under >its jurisdiction. > >The IGF site itself has a summary of rules of procedures here regarding >the UN territory in which it is held: > >http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/frequently-asked-questions-2015 > >They describe procedures to obtain authorization to display posters, >publications, and any other manifestation beyond the scheduled >programming. The UN rules do not allow for unauthorized manifestations >of any kind inside meeting rooms. > >I and some other colleagues talked to the two people directly affected >who had their credentials suspended, and they confirmed there was no >violence from any side. > >Similar situations happened in Sharm-el-Sheik, and I recall Markus >patiently explaining to protesters those rules. > >The point is: the UN does not allow unauthorized manifestations inside >its premises. The host country agreement defines the premises of the >IGF >as UN territory. > >Just to be a bit objective in this case. > >fraternal regards > >--c.a. > >On 10-11-15 17:13, parminder wrote: >> Congrats Joana, it was the most substantial and evocative speech I >have >> heard at the IGF in a long time (if ever)! >> >> It was both precisely to the point, and carried the right emotion and >> evocation. And so brave of you to have raised the issue of removal of >> the CS protesters... Bravo!! >> >> parminder >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > >-- >Carlos A. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From me at gbengasesan.com Tue Nov 10 18:43:17 2015 From: me at gbengasesan.com (=?utf-8?b?J0diw6luZ2EgU8Ooc2Fu?=) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:43:17 -0300 Subject: [governance] Joana's speech In-Reply-To: <56427EBA.4090702@cafonso.ca> References: <56425007.5070001@itforchange.net> <56427EBA.4090702@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <20151110234317.4599888.67322.14555@gbengasesan.com> The irony of the UN discouraging protests, a form of expression. I'd rather see a protest than choreographed boring speeches with half the audience walking out, and the other half busy on their devices. 'Gbénga Sèsan @gbengasesan   Original Message   From: Carlos Afonso Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 20:40 To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; parminder; Joana Varon; bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org Reply To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] Joana's speech I also applauded Joana's courageous speech. Regarding the protests, it is relevant to refer to the rules of the UN regarding territories under its jurisdiction. The IGF site itself has a summary of rules of procedures here regarding the UN territory in which it is held: http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/frequently-asked-questions-2015 They describe procedures to obtain authorization to display posters, publications, and any other manifestation beyond the scheduled programming. The UN rules do not allow for unauthorized manifestations of any kind inside meeting rooms. I and some other colleagues talked to the two people directly affected who had their credentials suspended, and they confirmed there was no violence from any side. Similar situations happened in Sharm-el-Sheik, and I recall Markus patiently explaining to protesters those rules. The point is: the UN does not allow unauthorized manifestations inside its premises. The host country agreement defines the premises of the IGF as UN territory. Just to be a bit objective in this case. fraternal regards --c.a. On 10-11-15 17:13, parminder wrote: > Congrats Joana, it was the most substantial and evocative speech I have > heard at the IGF in a long time (if ever)! > > It was both precisely to the point, and carried the right emotion and > evocation. And so brave of you to have raised the issue of removal of > the CS protesters... Bravo!! > > parminder > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- Carlos A. Afonso Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br CGI.br - http://cgi.br GPG 0x9EE8F8E3 Fingerprint EB2C 8F4B 1C68 8BB7 B6EC 9413 1FE5 1BB0 9EE8 F8E3 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From isolatedn at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 19:04:11 2015 From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 05:34:11 +0530 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Ease of Remote Participation in the Brazil IGF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joly, Your desk looks more like a Remote Broadcasting Station than like a remote participation station. Even with such a luxurious desk and New York's broad bandwidth, you find it so difficult to participate. (The conference facility is new, so the Organizers do have some unusual difficulties, but nevertheless...) Sivasubramanian M On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Joly MacFie wrote: > If following 3 or 4 different rooms on YouTube *and* webex both because > one or other them keeps cutting out, with 3 other browsers open running the > transcripts, plus skype twitter and jabber back channels, isn't remote > participation, I don't know what is! :P > > [image: Inline image 1] > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Sivasubramanian M > wrote: > >> Watching IGF on youtube is watching IGF on TV, and it is not remote >> participation, until such time as YouTube further innovates its video >> sharing platform into a full fledged interactive video platform. Remote >> participation needs to be feel almost as good as in room participation. >> >> Sivasubramanian M >> >> Sivasubramanian M >> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 4:16 AM, Mawaki Chango >> wrote: >> >>> Yeah McTim, let us set up a time and get some popcorn for our own remote >>> synchronic watching of Youtube pre-recorded IGF. >>> >>> M. >>> plus, the webex app wants to be able to read all the websites you visit. >>> >>> I will just watch the youtube videos! >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Janna Anderson wrote: >>> >>>> I agree that there’s too much of a bar to remote participation – more >>>> than ever before for IGF - and it is definitely cutting people out. I keep >>>> getting notices that rooms aren’t available or not “active” when I can see >>>> on Twitter that people are posting photos and conversations about what’s >>>> going on inside them. I have been watching Twitter instead – not even close >>>> to a good alternative. >>>> >>>> Janna >>>> >>>> From: Sivasubramanian M >>>> Reply-To: Sivasubramanian M >>>> Date: Monday, November 9, 2015 at 1:38 PM >>>> To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" , >>>> "Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net" , " >>>> forum at justnetcoalition.org" >>>> Subject: [bestbits] Ease of Remote Participation in the Brazil IGF >>>> >>>> Remote Participation requires a separate registration apart from >>>> Registration in the intgovforum.org website and as a participant in >>>> the IGF. The rooms are password protected. Each room requires a separate? >>>> password >>>> >>>> Once in the room, I find that the audio does not work. ( I was told >>>> that the Conference room is new, so the organizers probably have some >>>> difficulties here ) But why would the rooms require an entry password? >>>> ICANN's remote participation, in comparison, is set up for participants to >>>> join easily. >>>> >>>> Sivasubramanian M >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> >>> McTim >>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A >>> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> > > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast > -------------------------------------------------------------- > - > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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GDCO is the winner of information for development award (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the inclusion of the disabled, GDCO is the winner of i4d 2008 awards for the best innovations at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 for the initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture project and other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award 2011. it is the winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community development in Sudan. The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 Philippines .. it the founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and middle east and the thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) Netherlands (the founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) donated 750 computers and more than ten projects were established using ICT for community development and one of them is e-agriculture. GDCO & SPEG (foundation of eindhoven volunteers for gedaref projects) started new partnership for community development including people with disability (especially deaf), gedaref university, (faculty of medicine) e-agriculture, SeVO and other project On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:13 PM, parminder > wrote: > Congrats Joana, it was the most substantial and evocative speech I have > heard at the IGF in a long time (if ever)! > > It was both precisely to the point, and carried the right emotion and > evocation. And so brave of you to have raised the issue of removal of the > CS protesters... Bravo!! > > parminder > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Ahmed Mahmoud Mohamed Eisa +249123031155 Sudani +249912331155 Zain +249999331155 MTN KHARTOUM alamaraat P.O.BOX 15021 post code 12217 http://www.gedaref.com/ Gedaref digital city organization (GDCO) is a nongovernmental and nonprofit organization (Gedaref Sudan), it is part of the Telecentres movement where ICT is used for community development. GDCO is the winner of information for development award (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the inclusion of the disabled, GDCO is the winner of i4d 2008 awards for the best innovations at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 for the initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture project and other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award 2011. it is the winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community development in Sudan. The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 Philippines .. it the founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and middle east and the thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) Netherlands (the founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) donated 750 computers and more than ten projects were established using ICT for community development and one of them is e-agriculture. 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M From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of ahmed eisa sudan Sent: November 10, 2015 4:57 PM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; parminder Cc: Joana Varon ; bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: [governance] Joana's speech https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V9cxyHqrl2k Ahmed Mahmoud Mohamed Eisa +249123031155 Sudani +249912331155 Zain +249999331155 MTN KHARTOUM alamaraat P.O.BOX 15021 post code 12217 http://www.gedaref.com/ Gedaref digital city organization (GDCO) is a nongovernmental and nonprofit organization (Gedaref Sudan), it is part of the Telecentres movement where ICT is used for community development. GDCO is the winner of information for development award (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the inclusion of the disabled, GDCO is the winner of i4d 2008 awards for the best innovations at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 for the initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture project and other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award 2011. it is the winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community development in Sudan. The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 Philippines .. it the founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and middle east and the thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) Netherlands (the founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) donated 750 computers and more than ten projects were established using ICT for community development and one of them is e-agriculture. GDCO & SPEG (foundation of eindhoven volunteers for gedaref projects) started new partnership for community development including people with disability (especially deaf), gedaref university, (faculty of medicine) e-agriculture, SeVO and other project On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:13 PM, parminder > wrote: Congrats Joana, it was the most substantial and evocative speech I have heard at the IGF in a long time (if ever)! It was both precisely to the point, and carried the right emotion and evocation. And so brave of you to have raised the issue of removal of the CS protesters... Bravo!! parminder ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -- Ahmed Mahmoud Mohamed Eisa +249123031155 Sudani +249912331155 Zain +249999331155 MTN KHARTOUM alamaraat P.O.BOX 15021 post code 12217 http://www.gedaref.com/ Gedaref digital city organization (GDCO) is a nongovernmental and nonprofit organization (Gedaref Sudan), it is part of the Telecentres movement where ICT is used for community development. GDCO is the winner of information for development award (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the inclusion of the disabled, GDCO is the winner of i4d 2008 awards for the best innovations at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 for the initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture project and other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award 2011. it is the winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community development in Sudan. The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 Philippines .. it the founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and middle east and the thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) Netherlands (the founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) donated 750 computers and more than ten projects were established using ICT for community development and one of them is e-agriculture. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From raquino at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 20:32:15 2015 From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 22:32:15 -0300 Subject: [governance] Joana's speech In-Reply-To: References: <56425007.5070001@itforchange.net> Message-ID: Hi all Protesting with signs may be against UN rules but why go to the extreme of banning the protesters? As you can see on 1:45 on the video referenced. the signs of the silent protest were taken away, the protesters sat down and still were asked to leave and had their badges taken away. There are also accounts that their cell phones were asked by the security. As in the 1st person account published by Gustavo Gindre, there is still a concern that they may be prevented in entering in future UN events as well. All seems even more bizarre as a Facebook sponsored cocktail goes on tonight as the "after-party" of this event in a mile or so away from the convention centre. It just seems quite unfortunate that there's a climate of fear rather than freedom of expression. []s On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:57 PM, ahmed eisa sudan wrote: > > https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V9cxyHqrl2k > > Ahmed Mahmoud Mohamed Eisa > +249123031155 Sudani > > +249912331155 Zain > > +249999331155 MTN > KHARTOUM alamaraat P.O.BOX 15021 > > post code 12217 > > > http://www.gedaref.com/ > > > Gedaref digital city organization (GDCO) is a nongovernmental and nonprofit > organization (Gedaref Sudan), it is part of the Telecentres movement where > ICT is used for community development. GDCO is the winner of information > for development award (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the inclusion of the > disabled, GDCO is the winner of i4d 2008 awards for the best innovations > at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 for the > initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture project and > other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award 2011. it is the > winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community development in > Sudan. The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 Philippines .. it the > founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and middle east and the > thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) Netherlands (the > founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) donated 750 > computers and more than ten projects were established using ICT for > community development and one of them is e-agriculture. GDCO & SPEG > (foundation of eindhoven volunteers for gedaref projects) started new > partnership for community development including people with disability > (especially deaf), gedaref university, (faculty of medicine) e-agriculture, > SeVO and other project > > > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:13 PM, parminder > wrote: >> >> Congrats Joana, it was the most substantial and evocative speech I have >> heard at the IGF in a long time (if ever)! >> >> It was both precisely to the point, and carried the right emotion and >> evocation. And so brave of you to have raised the issue of removal of the CS >> protesters... Bravo!! >> >> parminder >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > > > -- > > Ahmed Mahmoud Mohamed Eisa > +249123031155 Sudani > > +249912331155 Zain > > +249999331155 MTN > KHARTOUM alamaraat P.O.BOX 15021 > > post code 12217 > > > http://www.gedaref.com/ > > > Gedaref digital city organization (GDCO) is a nongovernmental and nonprofit > organization (Gedaref Sudan), it is part of the Telecentres movement where > ICT is used for community development. GDCO is the winner of information > for development award (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the inclusion of the > disabled, GDCO is the winner of i4d 2008 awards for the best innovations > at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 for the > initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture project and > other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award 2011. it is the > winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community development in > Sudan. The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 Philippines .. it the > founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and middle east and the > thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) Netherlands (the > founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) donated 750 > computers and more than ten projects were established using ICT for > community development and one of them is e-agriculture. GDCO & SPEG > (foundation of eindhoven volunteers for gedaref projects) started new > partnership for community development including people with disability > (especially deaf), gedaref university, (faculty of medicine) e-agriculture, > SeVO and other project > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From raquino at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 20:51:22 2015 From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 22:51:22 -0300 Subject: [governance] Joana's speech In-Reply-To: <04a601d11c1f$a859b3f0$f90d1bd0$@gmail.com> References: <56425007.5070001@itforchange.net> <04a601d11c1f$a859b3f0$f90d1bd0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: http://tv.blogoosfero.cc/watch_video.php?v=D641ARYRHU3K On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Michael Gurstein wrote: > Is there a URL for Joana’s speech? > > > > M > > > > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of ahmed eisa sudan > Sent: November 10, 2015 4:57 PM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; parminder > Cc: Joana Varon ; bestbits at lists.igcaucus.org > Subject: [governance] Joana's speech > > > > > > https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V9cxyHqrl2k > > > > Ahmed Mahmoud Mohamed Eisa > +249123031155 Sudani > > +249912331155 Zain > > +249999331155 MTN > KHARTOUM alamaraat P.O.BOX 15021 > > post code 12217 > > > http://www.gedaref.com/ > > > Gedaref digital city organization (GDCO) is a nongovernmental and nonprofit > organization (Gedaref Sudan), it is part of the Telecentres movement where > ICT is used for community development. GDCO is the winner of information > for development award (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the inclusion of the > disabled, GDCO is the winner of i4d 2008 awards for the best innovations > at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 for the > initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture project and > other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award 2011. it is the > winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community development in > Sudan. The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 Philippines .. it the > founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and middle east and the > thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) Netherlands (the > founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) donated 750 > computers and more than ten projects were established using ICT for > community development and one of them is e-agriculture. GDCO & SPEG > (foundation of eindhoven volunteers for gedaref projects) started new > partnership for community development including people with disability > (especially deaf), gedaref university, (faculty of medicine) e-agriculture, > SeVO and other project > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:13 PM, parminder > wrote: > > Congrats Joana, it was the most substantial and evocative speech I have > heard at the IGF in a long time (if ever)! > > It was both precisely to the point, and carried the right emotion and > evocation. And so brave of you to have raised the issue of removal of the CS > protesters... Bravo!! > > parminder > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > -- > > Ahmed Mahmoud Mohamed Eisa > +249123031155 Sudani > > +249912331155 Zain > > +249999331155 MTN > KHARTOUM alamaraat P.O.BOX 15021 > > post code 12217 > > > http://www.gedaref.com/ > > > Gedaref digital city organization (GDCO) is a nongovernmental and nonprofit > organization (Gedaref Sudan), it is part of the Telecentres movement where > ICT is used for community development. GDCO is the winner of information > for development award (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the inclusion of the > disabled, GDCO is the winner of i4d 2008 awards for the best innovations > at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 for the > initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture project and > other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award 2011. it is the > winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community development in > Sudan. The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 Philippines .. it the > founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and middle east and the > thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) Netherlands (the > founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) donated 750 > computers and more than ten projects were established using ICT for > community development and one of them is e-agriculture. GDCO & SPEG > (foundation of eindhoven volunteers for gedaref projects) started new > partnership for community development including people with disability > (especially deaf), gedaref university, (faculty of medicine) e-agriculture, > SeVO and other project > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From williams.deirdre at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 21:08:48 2015 From: williams.deirdre at gmail.com (Deirdre Williams) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 23:08:48 -0300 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting Message-ID: Dear Friends and Colleagues, We have had 3 agenda suggestions from the group - Wolfgang would like us to consider a group strategy for the WSIS+10 Review, and has agreed to lead that discussion if he can make it to the meeting in time. Arsene proposes some changes in the way the group is run, and will make a brief (5 minute) presentation of his proposals. Sonigitu also has proposals for change, but in the financing of the group. He also will share his ideas with us for 5 minutes. These two proposals can then be considered by those present either separately or together. I am interested to learn from those present their opinion of the Stanford Deliberative Poll, if anyone was involved in it. If anyone has issues to add we will review this list at the beginning of the meeting. I would be grateful for a Spanish speaking volunteer who would act as a "remote moderator" for Antonio and his group via Skype. See you tomorrow - 12.00, Bilateral Room 3 (at the far end of the corridor on the left) Please be punctual as we only have one hour. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ca at cafonso.ca Tue Nov 10 23:36:59 2015 From: ca at cafonso.ca (Carlos Afonso) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 01:36:59 -0300 Subject: [governance] Joana's speech In-Reply-To: References: <56425007.5070001@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <5642C5EB.9010609@cafonso.ca> Renata, totally agree, and I tried to convince the chief rep of the UN here of this overreaction, in view of the fact that there is a video clearly showing there was no aggression. But, as he said from the heights of his authority, rules are rules and they were "reincident" after being alerted in their first protest. [] fraterno --c.a. On 10-11-15 22:32, Renata Aquino Ribeiro wrote: > Hi all > > Protesting with signs may be against UN rules but why go to the > extreme of banning the protesters? > As you can see on 1:45 on the video referenced. the signs of the > silent protest were taken away, the protesters sat down and still were > asked to leave and had their badges taken away. There are also > accounts that their cell phones were asked by the security. > As in the 1st person account published by Gustavo Gindre, there is > still a concern that they may be prevented in entering in future UN > events as well. > > All seems even more bizarre as a Facebook sponsored cocktail goes on > tonight as the "after-party" of this event in a mile or so away from > the convention centre. > > It just seems quite unfortunate that there's a climate of fear rather > than freedom of expression. > > []s > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:57 PM, ahmed eisa sudan > wrote: >> >> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V9cxyHqrl2k >> >> Ahmed Mahmoud Mohamed Eisa >> +249123031155 Sudani >> >> +249912331155 Zain >> >> +249999331155 MTN >> KHARTOUM alamaraat P.O.BOX 15021 >> >> post code 12217 >> >> >> http://www.gedaref.com/ >> >> >> Gedaref digital city organization (GDCO) is a nongovernmental and nonprofit >> organization (Gedaref Sudan), it is part of the Telecentres movement where >> ICT is used for community development. GDCO is the winner of information >> for development award (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the inclusion of the >> disabled, GDCO is the winner of i4d 2008 awards for the best innovations >> at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 for the >> initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture project and >> other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award 2011. it is the >> winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community development in >> Sudan. The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 Philippines .. it the >> founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and middle east and the >> thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) Netherlands (the >> founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) donated 750 >> computers and more than ten projects were established using ICT for >> community development and one of them is e-agriculture. GDCO & SPEG >> (foundation of eindhoven volunteers for gedaref projects) started new >> partnership for community development including people with disability >> (especially deaf), gedaref university, (faculty of medicine) e-agriculture, >> SeVO and other project >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:13 PM, parminder >> wrote: >>> >>> Congrats Joana, it was the most substantial and evocative speech I have >>> heard at the IGF in a long time (if ever)! >>> >>> It was both precisely to the point, and carried the right emotion and >>> evocation. And so brave of you to have raised the issue of removal of the CS >>> protesters... Bravo!! >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Ahmed Mahmoud Mohamed Eisa >> +249123031155 Sudani >> >> +249912331155 Zain >> >> +249999331155 MTN >> KHARTOUM alamaraat P.O.BOX 15021 >> >> post code 12217 >> >> >> http://www.gedaref.com/ >> >> >> Gedaref digital city organization (GDCO) is a nongovernmental and nonprofit >> organization (Gedaref Sudan), it is part of the Telecentres movement where >> ICT is used for community development. GDCO is the winner of information >> for development award (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the inclusion of the >> disabled, GDCO is the winner of i4d 2008 awards for the best innovations >> at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 for the >> initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture project and >> other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award 2011. it is the >> winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community development in >> Sudan. The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 Philippines .. it the >> founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and middle east and the >> thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) Netherlands (the >> founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) donated 750 >> computers and more than ten projects were established using ICT for >> community development and one of them is e-agriculture. GDCO & SPEG >> (foundation of eindhoven volunteers for gedaref projects) started new >> partnership for community development including people with disability >> (especially deaf), gedaref university, (faculty of medicine) e-agriculture, >> SeVO and other project >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- Carlos A. Afonso Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br CGI.br - http://cgi.br GPG 0x9EE8F8E3 Fingerprint EB2C 8F4B 1C68 8BB7 B6EC 9413 1FE5 1BB0 9EE8 F8E3 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From cafec3m at yahoo.fr Wed Nov 11 01:59:43 2015 From: cafec3m at yahoo.fr (CAFEC) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 06:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [governance] Joana's speech In-Reply-To: <56425007.5070001@itforchange.net> References: <56425007.5070001@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <653972092.4688294.1447225183982.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> The values are manifested in acts we daily. Joana Congratulations on a speech that was expressive and objective. Is it possible to have a copy of the speech ?? Baudouin COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFEC  ICANN/AFRALO Member ISOC Member courriel:cafec3m at yahoo.fr téléphone: +243 998983491/+243813684512 Le Mardi 10 novembre 2015 21h14, parminder a écrit : Congrats Joana, it was the most substantial and evocative speech I have heard at the IGF in a long time (if ever)! It was both precisely to the point, and carried the right emotion and evocation. And so brave of you to have raised the issue of removal of the CS protesters... 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We have a national MAG in which ends up, as necessary, actors from all social groups: government, private sector, universities, technical community, youth associations, women, people with disabilities, trade unionists, the Police etc .. We agreed to a ceiling of 50 people. MAG has a term whose duration will be determined soon in the plenary to be held in 15 days. The Executive Secretariat has a 2-year term renewable once. For this first experimental phase, the Executive Secretariat is composed of: -a Executive Secretary: Baudouin SCHOMBE (Civil Society) -a deputy executive secretary: Maurice Mufusi Nteteubaka (Congolese Posts and Telecommunications Corporation -a charge of finances: Patience Luyeye (Civil Society) -a program manager and logistics: Muliri Mirindi (Universitic) -a program assistant manager and logistics: Cedric Kinanga (Technical Community: ISOC DRC). We work closely with the supervisory authority: the Ministry in charge of ICT in DR Congo. 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On Wednesday, November 11, 2015, Deirdre Williams < williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Friends and Colleagues, > We have had 3 agenda suggestions from the group - > Wolfgang would like us to consider a group strategy for the WSIS+10 Review, and has agreed to lead that discussion if he can make it to the meeting in time. > Arsene proposes some changes in the way the group is run, and will make a brief (5 minute) presentation of his proposals. > Sonigitu also has proposals for change, but in the financing of the group. He also will share his ideas with us for 5 minutes. > These two proposals can then be considered by those present either separately or together. > I am interested to learn from those present their opinion of the Stanford Deliberative Poll, if anyone was involved in it. > If anyone has issues to add we will review this list at the beginning of the meeting. > I would be grateful for a Spanish speaking volunteer who would act as a "remote moderator" for Antonio and his group via Skype. > See you tomorrow - 12.00, Bilateral Room 3 (at the far end of the corridor on the left) > Please be punctual as we only have one hour. > Deirdre > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -- WISDOM DONKOR (S/N Eng.) 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In fact, we opted for a similar structural arrangement to that of the global IGF. > > We have a national MAG in which ends up, as necessary, actors from all social groups: government, private sector, universities, technical community, youth associations, women, people with disabilities, trade unionists, the Police etc .. > > We agreed to a ceiling of 50 people. MAG has a term whose duration will be determined soon in the plenary to be held in 15 days. > > The Executive Secretariat has a 2-year term renewable once. For this first experimental phase, the Executive Secretariat is composed of: > -a Executive Secretary: Baudouin SCHOMBE (Civil Society) > -a deputy executive secretary: Maurice Mufusi Nteteubaka (Congolese Posts and Telecommunications Corporation > -a charge of finances: Patience Luyeye (Civil Society) > -a program manager and logistics: Muliri Mirindi (Universitic) > -a program assistant manager and logistics: Cedric Kinanga (Technical Community: ISOC DRC). > > We work closely with the supervisory authority: the Ministry in charge of ICT in DR Congo. > > The website is being set up, all information and images will be posted there. > -- > SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN > COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFEC > ICANN/AFRALO Member > ISOC Member > Téléphone mobile:+243998983491/+243813684512 > email : b.schombe at gmail.com > skype : b.schombe > blog : http://akimambo.unblog.fr > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The only one (i guess) that was applauded more than once by the public, though I applauded Fadi Chehade's as well. There is a lot to say about the 'famous' protest but I definitely didn't see any violence from the security folks nor any noisy action from the protestors. Everyone did their job and I am glad the message went out since more than 7 tweets (including mine) were sent as a way to pass on the message presented by the protestors, videos and pictures were taken as well. Someone in this world said something like this : "I can guarantee you freedom of expression but not freedom after expression". I hope nothing bad will happen to our dear protestators after the IGF is over. Regards,A  ------------------------------------------------------Arsène Tungali,Co-founder and Executive Director, Rudi InternationalFounder, Mabingwa Forum Work email: arsenebaguma at gmail.comFacebook - Twitter - LinkedInInternet Governance - Blogger - ISOC Member - ICANN Fellow - IGF Fellow.Democratic Republic of Congo Le Mercredi 11 novembre 2015 9h01, CAFEC a écrit : The values are manifested in acts we daily. Joana Congratulations on a speech that was expressive and objective. Is it possible to have a copy of the speech ?? Baudouin COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFEC  ICANN/AFRALO Member ISOC Member courriel:cafec3m at yahoo.fr téléphone: +243 998983491/+243813684512 Le Mardi 10 novembre 2015 21h14, parminder a écrit : Congrats Joana, it was the most substantial and evocative speech I have heard at the IGF in a long time (if ever)! It was both precisely to the point, and carried the right emotion and evocation. And so brave of you to have raised the issue of removal of the CS protesters... Bravo!! parminder ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From raquino at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 09:32:29 2015 From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:32:29 -0300 Subject: [governance] update on Brazilian activists Message-ID: Update on Brazilian activists banned from #IGF2015 Their badge has been returned! UN has reconsidered the issue, thanks to all who contributed w/ the negotiation -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Wed Nov 11 09:43:12 2015 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:43:12 +0200 Subject: [governance] Joana's speech In-Reply-To: <1736207779.4975172.1447246342091.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <653972092.4688294.1447225183982.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1736207779.4975172.1447246342091.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56435400.5000508@apc.org> Dear all I missed Joana's speech due to another meeting that could not be moved. Congratulations Joana.. you managed to move people and bring out solidarity and unity in civil society which is wonderful to see. Perhaps the text has been shared already.. but if not.. I look forward to it. Anriette On 11/11/2015 14:52, Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo) wrote: > Joana, your speech was great and well articulated. The only one (i > guess) that was applauded more than once by the public, though I > applauded Fadi Chehade's as well. > > There is a lot to say about the 'famous' protest but I definitely didn't > see any violence from the security folks nor any noisy action from the > protestors. Everyone did their job and I am glad the message went out > since more than 7 tweets (including mine) were sent as a way to pass on > the message presented by the protestors, videos and pictures were taken > as well. > > Someone in this world said something like this : "I can guarantee you > freedom of expression but not freedom after expression". I hope nothing > bad will happen to our dear protestators after the IGF is over. > > Regards, > A > > *------------------------------------------------------* > _*/Arsène Tungali,/*_ > Co-founder and Executive Director, Rudi International > > Founder, Mabingwa Forum > > Work email:arsenebaguma at gmail.com > Facebook - Twitter > -LinkedIn > > Internet Governance - Blogger - ISOC Member - ICANN Fellow - IGF Fellow. > Democratic Republic of Congo > > > > Le Mercredi 11 novembre 2015 9h01, CAFEC a écrit : > > > The values are manifested in acts we daily. > Joana Congratulations on a speech that was expressive and objective. Is > it possible to have a copy of the speech ?? > *Baudouin* > > ** > ** > *COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFEC > *ICANN/AFRALO Member > ISOC Member > courriel:cafec3m at yahoo.fr > téléphone: +243 998983491/+243813684512 > > > > Le Mardi 10 novembre 2015 21h14, parminder a > écrit : > > > Congrats Joana, it was the most substantial and evocative speech I have > heard at the IGF in a long time (if ever)! > > It was both precisely to the point, and carried the right emotion and > evocation. And so brave of you to have raised the issue of removal of > the CS protesters... Bravo!! > > parminder > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- ----------------------------------------- Anriette Esterhuysen Executive Director Association for Progressive Communications anriette at apc.org www.apc.org IM: ae_apc -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From gangesh.varma at nludelhi.ac.in Wed Nov 11 09:53:13 2015 From: gangesh.varma at nludelhi.ac.in (Gangesh S. Varma) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:23:13 +0530 Subject: [governance] Joana's speech In-Reply-To: <56435400.5000508@apc.org> References: <653972092.4688294.1447225183982.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1736207779.4975172.1447246342091.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56435400.5000508@apc.org> Message-ID: For those who couldn't make it, below is a copy of Joana's speech from the transcripts available. >> JOANA VARON FERRAZ: Hello, all protocols have been addressed. I would like to extend my general greetings for all the participants. And correct my affiliation. I'm actually researcher and human rights advocate, and founder director of coding rights which is a female organisation focused in advancing the enforcement of human rights in the digital world by integrating usages and understandings of technology into policymaking process. I have to say a few weeks ago, we were surprised by a E mail saying that I've been nominated by my colleagues for this Opening Session. When I got the news, the first thing that crossed my mind were memories from when I attended my first IGF back in 2007. Here in Brazil, in Rio de Janeiro. It was just nine years ago, but as much as I changed, I got some trust from Civil Society colleagues that nominated me to be here today, the Internet has also changed a lot. And we have great innovations, more people connected, indeed, different kind of smart devices, but I'm concerned. The Internet was built with the core value of connectivity to be open, interoperable. But our Internet is becoming more and more centralized. Sometimes, by the action of governments, but mostly by market powers. That aspect poses problems to those core values that were originally embedded in the architecture of the Internet poses problems, protection and promotion of human rights, and also represents challenges to the Internet Governance processes. Particularly concerning, how we address our endless search for the beloved utopia of a Democratic multistakeholder participation. Mostly considering this from the mental power imbalances within the various stakeholder groups, some concerns, human rights and from the mental technical values for the Internet architecture, like end to end interoperability, confidentiality and many others are being solved, in this progressively more centralized Internet, coined by profit and control. I give some examples of such centralization trends. In terms of connectivity, for instance, at least in developing countries or emerging economies, connectivities are still centralized in the hands of very few telecommunication companies. We need to discuss alternatives to this such as public regime for Internet services, discuss free spectrum, usage of cognitive radios. We have technologies for that. And I was glad that there was a particular plenary addressing this issue in this edition of IGF already. Furthermore, we need to understand that Zero Rating practices are not the solution to the digital divide. There are people, particularly from developing countries, that practically only access one service and think it's Internet. Imagine if this perception would escalate. So, please let's not sell donkeys pretending they are horses, Internet org is not Internet, free basics is not free, we are paying for it. It is more like (applause). It's more like you are basically getting free of your rights, the right to access global and free Internet. So, we not only need open connectivity. We also really need implementable net neutrality, and in particular the representatives, Brazilian Government representatives that are here, I'd like to ask for them to please consider that there is a urgency to have a regulation of Marco Civil that decree that hopefully would set the tone about that. Marco Civil was an example in terms of process and content worldwide, but without regulation, it is in danger, mostly by market practices. Another example of decentralization is related to freedom of expression and privacy. A Special Rapporteur David Kaye said today and I find appealing, why are we reading a newspaper, the newspapers today, the newspapers is also reading us. All this data, data, our digital shadow, our powerful tool, that can be used against us, either by framing us, framing our will, or to be used for pressure or clashing groups of descent. So while we have never been more connected, we have also never been so exposed as in the digital world, and pervasive surveillance, weak enforcement for data protection or discourse of Cybersecurity and terrorism does not make the perspectives very good. We need strong and enforceable data protection views and here I call attention again to the situation in Brazil, we need to deliver our data protection bill. There was a result of a public consultation to the legislative, they have to approve as soon as possible so we have coherence with national and international agenda in the protection of digital rights or privacy rights. We also need to understand and ensure that encryption and anonymity can and should be preserved. We need to solve jurisdictional conflicts to ensure that protection of freedom of expression and privacy are not dependent on companies. We need to move forward with transparent and accountable IANA transition towards a global system. And beyond, policy approaches to human rights, we need to inform these principles for the development of technology. Technology is not neutral. We need to consider that what does it mean to have human rights considerations for standards and protocols. We need to foster free software as it has been said in sessions here, if we cannot see, we cannot trust it. We need to work more closely to technical community to understand or at least expose the implications about what they do, and human rights. Finally, we need more women and more diversity within those who develop technologies. (applause). And create policies for technologies. This imbalance is already very expressive in this Opening Session, in which you can count four women. So to wrap my points, all this list of issues that can be developed further and further, represent the challenges that are increasing, to protect and promote human rights and the core values of the architecture of the Internet in face of decentralization. My final consideration for us to have in mind is, what is the Internet Governance system that can address all this? What is the role of IGF facing these issues? IGF is indeed a unique space for multistakeholder dialogue. But we need to fulfill them in data of IGF as provided in the Tunis Agenda. We are currently in the process of reviewing the WSIS+10, where this issue can be addressed. But the renewal of IGF cannot be used as a maintenance of the status quo, in which the Internet Governance ecosystem remains the same. No one can solve the issues that I have raised so far. The Internet that we were discussing during WSIS process in 2003 and 5, and later on here in Brazil in IGF 2017 is not the same. The challenges to maintaining a free, open and decentralized network have never been bigger, and the solution is related to access, whether the institutional arrangements that we built are able to protect and promote human rights, and enable us to maintain technical values that inspire the creation of the Internet. I hope in these days to come, we can discuss this and other issues further, with all the reasons they require but not only discuss really, let us also protest freely. This is also political space. I've been looking and saw some Civil Society representatives are being harassed and taken out of the venue by due to attempt of silent protest around free basics. It is a bit unacceptable in a context in which we are discussing free speech. So please, let's let people who cannot be on the stage also symbolically express their key questions regarding the future of Internet in front of high level panels like this. I hope this issue can be solved quickly. Finally, let us also use this space to think what institutional arrangements are needed to move forward beyond the status quo, in order to reverse the strength of centralization of the Internet. Let us try to put at least many of the beautiful words that were said here and look good in paper, in practice, towards a real people centered, open, free, global and inclusive Internet. Thank you so much. (applause). On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote: > Dear all > > I missed Joana's speech due to another meeting that could not be moved. > Congratulations Joana.. you managed to move people and bring out > solidarity and unity in civil society which is wonderful to see. > > Perhaps the text has been shared already.. but if not.. I look forward > to it. > > Anriette > > > On 11/11/2015 14:52, Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo) wrote: > > Joana, your speech was great and well articulated. The only one (i > > guess) that was applauded more than once by the public, though I > > applauded Fadi Chehade's as well. > > > > There is a lot to say about the 'famous' protest but I definitely didn't > > see any violence from the security folks nor any noisy action from the > > protestors. Everyone did their job and I am glad the message went out > > since more than 7 tweets (including mine) were sent as a way to pass on > > the message presented by the protestors, videos and pictures were taken > > as well. > > > > Someone in this world said something like this : "I can guarantee you > > freedom of expression but not freedom after expression". I hope nothing > > bad will happen to our dear protestators after the IGF is over. > > > > Regards, > > A > > > > *------------------------------------------------------* > > _*/Arsène Tungali,/*_ > > Co-founder and Executive Director, Rudi International > > > > Founder, Mabingwa Forum > > > > Work email:arsenebaguma at gmail.com > > Facebook - Twitter > > -LinkedIn > > > > Internet Governance - Blogger - ISOC Member - ICANN Fellow - IGF Fellow. > > Democratic Republic of Congo > > > > > > > > Le Mercredi 11 novembre 2015 9h01, CAFEC a écrit : > > > > > > The values are manifested in acts we daily. > > Joana Congratulations on a speech that was expressive and objective. Is > > it possible to have a copy of the speech ?? > > *Baudouin* > > > > ** > > ** > > *COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFEC > > *ICANN/AFRALO Member > > ISOC Member > > courriel:cafec3m at yahoo.fr > > téléphone: +243 998983491/+243813684512 > > > > > > > > Le Mardi 10 novembre 2015 21h14, parminder a > > écrit : > > > > > > Congrats Joana, it was the most substantial and evocative speech I have > > heard at the IGF in a long time (if ever)! > > > > It was both precisely to the point, and carried the right emotion and > > evocation. And so brave of you to have raised the issue of removal of > > the CS protesters... Bravo!! > > > > parminder > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > -- > ----------------------------------------- > Anriette Esterhuysen > Executive Director > Association for Progressive Communications > anriette at apc.org > www.apc.org > IM: ae_apc > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Gangesh Sreekumar Varma | Senior Fellow Centre for Communication Governance | National Law University, Delhi | Sector-14, Dwarka, New Delhi - 110078 | Cell: (+91) 8447159123 | Fax: (+91) 11-280-34256 | www.ccgdelhi.org . www.ccgtlr.org . www.nludelhi.ac.in | Twitter: @ccgdelhi . @gangeshvarma -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From nnenna75 at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 10:04:31 2015 From: nnenna75 at gmail.com (Nnenna Nwakanma) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:04:31 +0000 Subject: [governance] Joana's speech In-Reply-To: References: <653972092.4688294.1447225183982.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1736207779.4975172.1447246342091.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56435400.5000508@apc.org> Message-ID: I'm also adding my voice to congratulate you, Joana. Can we have a discussion about protest itself? I would like to hear others. Best N On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Gangesh S. Varma < gangesh.varma at nludelhi.ac.in> wrote: > For those who couldn't make it, below is a copy of Joana's speech from the > transcripts available. > > > >> JOANA VARON FERRAZ: Hello, all protocols have been addressed. I would > like to extend my general greetings for all the participants. And correct > my affiliation. I'm actually researcher and human rights advocate, and > founder director of coding rights which is a female organisation focused in > advancing the enforcement of human rights in the digital world by > integrating usages and understandings of technology into policymaking > process. > > I have to say a few weeks ago, we were surprised by a E mail saying that > I've been nominated by my colleagues for this Opening Session. When I got > the news, the first thing that crossed my mind were memories from when I > attended my first IGF back in 2007. Here in Brazil, in Rio de Janeiro. > > It was just nine years ago, but as much as I changed, I got some trust > from Civil Society colleagues that nominated me to be here today, the > Internet has also changed a lot. And we have great innovations, more > people connected, indeed, different kind of smart devices, but I'm > concerned. The Internet was built with the core value of connectivity to > be open, interoperable. > > But our Internet is becoming more and more centralized. Sometimes, by the > action of governments, but mostly by market powers. That aspect poses > problems to those core values that were originally embedded in the > architecture of the Internet poses problems, protection and promotion of > human rights, and also represents challenges to the Internet Governance > processes. > > Particularly concerning, how we address our endless search for the beloved > utopia of a Democratic multistakeholder participation. > > Mostly considering this from the mental power imbalances within the > various stakeholder groups, some concerns, human rights and from the mental > technical values for the Internet architecture, like end to end > interoperability, confidentiality and many others are being solved, in this > progressively more centralized Internet, coined by profit and control. > > I give some examples of such centralization trends. In terms of > connectivity, for instance, at least in developing countries or emerging > economies, connectivities are still centralized in the hands of very few > telecommunication companies. We need to discuss alternatives to this such > as public regime for Internet services, discuss free spectrum, usage of > cognitive radios. We have technologies for that. And I was glad that > there was a particular plenary addressing this issue in this edition of IGF > already. > > Furthermore, we need to understand that Zero Rating practices are not the > solution to the digital divide. There are people, particularly from > developing countries, that practically only access one service and think > it's Internet. > > Imagine if this perception would escalate. So, please let's not sell > donkeys pretending they are horses, Internet org is not Internet, free > basics is not free, we are paying for it. > > It is more like > > (applause). > > It's more like you are basically getting free of your rights, the right to > access global and free Internet. > > So, we not only need open connectivity. We also really need implementable > net neutrality, and in particular the representatives, Brazilian Government > representatives that are here, I'd like to ask for them to please consider > that there is a urgency to have a regulation of Marco Civil that decree > that hopefully would set the tone about that. > > Marco Civil was an example in terms of process and content worldwide, but > without regulation, it is in danger, mostly by market practices. > > Another example of decentralization is related to freedom of expression > and privacy. A Special Rapporteur David Kaye said today and I find > appealing, why are we reading a newspaper, the newspapers today, the > newspapers is also reading us. All this data, data, our digital shadow, > our powerful tool, that can be used against us, either by framing us, > framing our will, or to be used for pressure or clashing groups of descent. > > So while we have never been more connected, we have also never been so > exposed as in the digital world, and pervasive surveillance, weak > enforcement for data protection or discourse of Cybersecurity and terrorism > does not make the perspectives very good. We need strong and enforceable > data protection views and here I call attention again to the situation in > Brazil, we need to deliver our data protection bill. There was a result of > a public consultation to the legislative, they have to approve as soon as > possible so we have coherence with national and international agenda in the > protection of digital rights or privacy rights. > > We also need to understand and ensure that encryption and anonymity can > and should be preserved. We need to solve jurisdictional conflicts to > ensure that protection of freedom of expression and privacy are not > dependent on companies. We need to move forward with transparent and > accountable IANA transition towards a global system. > > And beyond, policy approaches to human rights, we need to inform these > principles for the development of technology. Technology is not neutral. > We need to consider that what does it mean to have human rights > considerations for standards and protocols. > > We need to foster free software as it has been said in sessions here, if > we cannot see, we cannot trust it. > > We need to work more closely to technical community to understand or at > least expose the implications about what they do, and human rights. > > Finally, we need more women and more diversity within those who develop > technologies. > > (applause). > > And create policies for technologies. This imbalance is already very > expressive in this Opening Session, in which you can count four women. > > So to wrap my points, all this list of issues that can be developed > further and further, represent the challenges that are increasing, to > protect and promote human rights and the core values of the architecture of > the Internet in face of decentralization. > > My final consideration for us to have in mind is, what is the Internet > Governance system that can address all this? What is the role of IGF > facing these issues? > > IGF is indeed a unique space for multistakeholder dialogue. But we need > to fulfill them in data of IGF as provided in the Tunis Agenda. We are > currently in the process of reviewing the WSIS+10, where this issue can be > addressed. > > But the renewal of IGF cannot be used as a maintenance of the status quo, > in which the Internet Governance ecosystem remains the same. No one can > solve the issues that I have raised so far. The Internet that we were > discussing during WSIS process in 2003 and 5, and later on here in Brazil > in IGF 2017 is not the same. > > The challenges to maintaining a free, open and decentralized network have > never been bigger, and the solution is related to access, whether the > institutional arrangements that we built are able to protect and promote > human rights, and enable us to maintain technical values that inspire the > creation of the Internet. > > I hope in these days to come, we can discuss this and other issues > further, with all the reasons they require but not only discuss really, let > us also protest freely. This is also political space. I've been looking > and saw some Civil Society representatives are being harassed and taken out > of the venue by due to attempt of silent protest around free basics. It is > a bit unacceptable in a context in which we are discussing free speech. > > So please, let's let people who cannot be on the stage also symbolically > express their key questions regarding the future of Internet in front of > high level panels like this. > > I hope this issue can be solved quickly. > > Finally, let us also use this space to think what institutional > arrangements are needed to move forward beyond the status quo, in order to > reverse the strength of centralization of the Internet. Let us try to put > at least many of the beautiful words that were said here and look good in > paper, in practice, towards a real people centered, open, free, global and > inclusive Internet. > > Thank you so much. > > (applause). > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen > wrote: > >> Dear all >> >> I missed Joana's speech due to another meeting that could not be moved. >> Congratulations Joana.. you managed to move people and bring out >> solidarity and unity in civil society which is wonderful to see. >> >> Perhaps the text has been shared already.. but if not.. I look forward >> to it. >> >> Anriette >> >> >> On 11/11/2015 14:52, Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo) wrote: >> > Joana, your speech was great and well articulated. The only one (i >> > guess) that was applauded more than once by the public, though I >> > applauded Fadi Chehade's as well. >> > >> > There is a lot to say about the 'famous' protest but I definitely didn't >> > see any violence from the security folks nor any noisy action from the >> > protestors. Everyone did their job and I am glad the message went out >> > since more than 7 tweets (including mine) were sent as a way to pass on >> > the message presented by the protestors, videos and pictures were taken >> > as well. >> > >> > Someone in this world said something like this : "I can guarantee you >> > freedom of expression but not freedom after expression". I hope nothing >> > bad will happen to our dear protestators after the IGF is over. >> > >> > Regards, >> > A >> > >> > *------------------------------------------------------* >> > _*/Arsène Tungali,/*_ >> > Co-founder and Executive Director, Rudi International >> > >> > Founder, Mabingwa Forum >> > >> > Work email:arsenebaguma at gmail.com >> > Facebook - Twitter >> > -LinkedIn >> > >> > Internet Governance - Blogger - ISOC Member - ICANN Fellow - IGF Fellow. >> > Democratic Republic of Congo >> > >> > >> > >> > Le Mercredi 11 novembre 2015 9h01, CAFEC a écrit : >> > >> > >> > The values are manifested in acts we daily. >> > Joana Congratulations on a speech that was expressive and objective. Is >> > it possible to have a copy of the speech ?? >> > *Baudouin* >> > >> > ** >> > ** >> > *COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFEC >> > *ICANN/AFRALO Member >> > ISOC Member >> > courriel:cafec3m at yahoo.fr >> > téléphone: +243 998983491/+243813684512 >> > >> > >> > >> > Le Mardi 10 novembre 2015 21h14, parminder >> a >> > écrit : >> > >> > >> > Congrats Joana, it was the most substantial and evocative speech I have >> > heard at the IGF in a long time (if ever)! >> > >> > It was both precisely to the point, and carried the right emotion and >> > evocation. And so brave of you to have raised the issue of removal of >> > the CS protesters... Bravo!! >> > >> > parminder >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > >> > To be removed from the list, visit: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> > >> > For all other list information and functions, see: >> > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> > >> > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > >> > To be removed from the list, visit: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> > >> > For all other list information and functions, see: >> > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> > >> > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> > governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> > To be removed from the list, visit: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> > >> > For all other list information and functions, see: >> > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> > http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> > >> > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > >> >> -- >> ----------------------------------------- >> Anriette Esterhuysen >> Executive Director >> Association for Progressive Communications >> anriette at apc.org >> www.apc.org >> IM: ae_apc >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > > Gangesh Sreekumar Varma | Senior Fellow > Centre for Communication Governance | National Law University, Delhi > | Sector-14, Dwarka, New Delhi - 110078 | Cell: (+91) 8447159123 | Fax: > (+91) 11-280-34256 | www.ccgdelhi.org . www.ccgtlr.org > . www.nludelhi.ac.in | Twitter: @ccgdelhi > . @gangeshvarma > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Through the good offices of Eleonora we have a > meeting room – Bilateral Room 3 – on Wednesday 11th November (Day 2) from > 12.00 to 1300. Could you please indicate whether you will be willing and > able to attend a face to face meeting of the IGC at that date and time? > > Whether you will be in Brazil or not we would be grateful for input for an > agenda. 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We had (event organizers, the BR gov, CGI.br) a very hard time to have the UN revert the decision to reinstate the credentials and not to suspend others. Now the UN is checking bags for "harmful or suspicious" content. There are several forms of advocacy and manifestation, and some may do more harm than good. Unfortunately this was one case. Strangely enough, the rules are published in the IGF page (FAQs section), and some CS people argued they did not know the rules because they were not published. fraternal regards --c.a. On 11-11-15 12:32, Felipe Sanches wrote: > Now I hope they raise their banners again :-) > > "Paz sem voz é medo" (Peace without voice is fear) > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro > > wrote: > > Update on Brazilian activists banned from #IGF2015 Their badge has > been returned! UN has reconsidered the issue, thanks to all who > contributed w/ the negotiation > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net . > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -- Carlos A. Afonso Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br CGI.br - http://cgi.br GPG 0x9EE8F8E3 Fingerprint EB2C 8F4B 1C68 8BB7 B6EC 9413 1FE5 1BB0 9EE8 F8E3 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dl at panamo.eu Wed Nov 11 11:37:38 2015 From: dl at panamo.eu (Dominique Lacroix) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 17:37:38 +0100 Subject: [governance] Joana's speech In-Reply-To: References: <653972092.4688294.1447225183982.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <1736207779.4975172.1447246342091.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <56435400.5000508@apc.org> Message-ID: <56436ED2.5040204@panamo.eu> Dear all, Unfortunately, I 'm rarely able to discuss here, but I observe the debates with great attention. The news about the IGF incident arrived as I was just about to congratulate Joanna not only for her nomination but also, and perhaps more, for her courageous and smart initiative with the foundation of Coding rights. I agree with Nnenna, we have to discuss the point of the protest. And I personally agree with Carlos Afonso. The UN overreaction was too much and they fortunately reversed it. BUT, this "silent protest" was not a good idea. Beware! "silent signs" are not silence. Or should we consider that advertisements on the wall are silent? The basics of democracy stays in confrontation of verbal discussions. We must not try to occupy the space by force in a place where people discuss about peace, lawful actions and universal agreements. Aside this point, I'm pleased to congratulate Joanna for her very good speech, with very strong positions. Thanks. Good force and luck with you, Joana and Coding right's team! @+, Dom -- Dominique Lacroix https://panamo.eu Le 11/11/2015 16:04, Nnenna Nwakanma a écrit : > I'm also adding my voice to congratulate you, Joana. > > Can we have a discussion about protest itself? I would like to hear > others. > > Best > > N > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Gangesh S. Varma > > > wrote: > > For those who couldn't make it, below is a copy of Joana's speech > from the transcripts available. > > > >> JOANA VARON FERRAZ: Hello, all protocols have been addressed. > I would like to extend my general greetings for all the > participants. And correct my affiliation. I'm actually > researcher and human rights advocate, and founder director of > coding rights which is a female organisation focused in advancing > the enforcement of human rights in the digital world by > integrating usages and understandings of technology into > policymaking process. > > I have to say a few weeks ago, we were surprised by a E mail > saying that I've been nominated by my colleagues for this Opening > Session. When I got the news, the first thing that crossed my > mind were memories from when I attended my first IGF back in > 2007. Here in Brazil, in Rio de Janeiro. > > It was just nine years ago, but as much as I changed, I got some > trust from Civil Society colleagues that nominated me to be here > today, the Internet has also changed a lot. And we have great > innovations, more people connected, indeed, different kind of > smart devices, but I'm concerned. The Internet was built with the > core value of connectivity to be open, interoperable. > > But our Internet is becoming more and more centralized. > Sometimes, by the action of governments, but mostly by market > powers. That aspect poses problems to those core values that were > originally embedded in the architecture of the Internet poses > problems, protection and promotion of human rights, and also > represents challenges to the Internet Governance processes. > > Particularly concerning, how we address our endless search for the > beloved utopia of a Democratic multistakeholder participation. > > Mostly considering this from the mental power imbalances within > the various stakeholder groups, some concerns, human rights and > from the mental technical values for the Internet architecture, > like end to end interoperability, confidentiality and many others > are being solved, in this progressively more centralized Internet, > coined by profit and control. > > I give some examples of such centralization trends. In terms of > connectivity, for instance, at least in developing countries or > emerging economies, connectivities are still centralized in the > hands of very few telecommunication companies. We need to discuss > alternatives to this such as public regime for Internet services, > discuss free spectrum, usage of cognitive radios. We have > technologies for that. And I was glad that there was a particular > plenary addressing this issue in this edition of IGF already. > > Furthermore, we need to understand that Zero Rating practices are > not the solution to the digital divide. There are people, > particularly from developing countries, that practically only > access one service and think it's Internet. > > Imagine if this perception would escalate. So, please let's not > sell donkeys pretending they are horses, Internet org is not > Internet, free basics is not free, we are paying for it. > > It is more like > > (applause). > > It's more like you are basically getting free of your rights, the > right to access global and free Internet. > > So, we not only need open connectivity. We also really need > implementable net neutrality, and in particular the > representatives, Brazilian Government representatives that are > here, I'd like to ask for them to please consider that there is a > urgency to have a regulation of Marco Civil that decree that > hopefully would set the tone about that. > > Marco Civil was an example in terms of process and content > worldwide, but without regulation, it is in danger, mostly by > market practices. > > Another example of decentralization is related to freedom of > expression and privacy. A Special Rapporteur David Kaye said > today and I find appealing, why are we reading a newspaper, the > newspapers today, the newspapers is also reading us. All this > data, data, our digital shadow, our powerful tool, that can be > used against us, either by framing us, framing our will, or to be > used for pressure or clashing groups of descent. > > So while we have never been more connected, we have also never > been so exposed as in the digital world, and pervasive > surveillance, weak enforcement for data protection or discourse of > Cybersecurity and terrorism does not make the perspectives very > good. We need strong and enforceable data protection views and > here I call attention again to the situation in Brazil, we need to > deliver our data protection bill. There was a result of a public > consultation to the legislative, they have to approve as soon as > possible so we have coherence with national and international > agenda in the protection of digital rights or privacy rights. > > We also need to understand and ensure that encryption and > anonymity can and should be preserved. We need to solve > jurisdictional conflicts to ensure that protection of freedom of > expression and privacy are not dependent on companies. We need to > move forward with transparent and accountable IANA transition > towards a global system. > > And beyond, policy approaches to human rights, we need to inform > these principles for the development of technology. Technology is > not neutral. We need to consider that what does it mean to have > human rights considerations for standards and protocols. > > We need to foster free software as it has been said in sessions > here, if we cannot see, we cannot trust it. > > We need to work more closely to technical community to understand > or at least expose the implications about what they do, and human > rights. > > Finally, we need more women and more diversity within those who > develop technologies. > > (applause). > > And create policies for technologies. This imbalance is already > very expressive in this Opening Session, in which you can count > four women. > > So to wrap my points, all this list of issues that can be > developed further and further, represent the challenges that are > increasing, to protect and promote human rights and the core > values of the architecture of the Internet in face of > decentralization. > > My final consideration for us to have in mind is, what is the > Internet Governance system that can address all this? What is the > role of IGF facing these issues? > > IGF is indeed a unique space for multistakeholder dialogue. But > we need to fulfill them in data of IGF as provided in the Tunis > Agenda. We are currently in the process of reviewing the WSIS+10, > where this issue can be addressed. > > But the renewal of IGF cannot be used as a maintenance of the > status quo, in which the Internet Governance ecosystem remains the > same. No one can solve the issues that I have raised so far. The > Internet that we were discussing during WSIS process in 2003 and > 5, and later on here in Brazil in IGF 2017 is not the same. > > The challenges to maintaining a free, open and decentralized > network have never been bigger, and the solution is related to > access, whether the institutional arrangements that we built are > able to protect and promote human rights, and enable us to > maintain technical values that inspire the creation of the Internet. > > I hope in these days to come, we can discuss this and other issues > further, with all the reasons they require but not only discuss > really, let us also protest freely. This is also political space. > I've been looking and saw some Civil Society representatives are > being harassed and taken out of the venue by due to attempt of > silent protest around free basics. It is a bit unacceptable in a > context in which we are discussing free speech. > > So please, let's let people who cannot be on the stage also > symbolically express their key questions regarding the future of > Internet in front of high level panels like this. > > I hope this issue can be solved quickly. > > Finally, let us also use this space to think what institutional > arrangements are needed to move forward beyond the status quo, in > order to reverse the strength of centralization of the Internet. > Let us try to put at least many of the beautiful words that were > said here and look good in paper, in practice, towards a real > people centered, open, free, global and inclusive Internet. > > Thank you so much. > > (applause). > > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen > > wrote: > > Dear all > > I missed Joana's speech due to another meeting that could not > be moved. > Congratulations Joana.. you managed to move people and bring out > solidarity and unity in civil society which is wonderful to see. > > Perhaps the text has been shared already.. but if not.. I look > forward > to it. > > Anriette > > > On 11/11/2015 14:52, Arsene TUNGALI (Yahoo) wrote: > > Joana, your speech was great and well articulated. The only > one (i > > guess) that was applauded more than once by the public, though I > > applauded Fadi Chehade's as well. > > > > There is a lot to say about the 'famous' protest but I > definitely didn't > > see any violence from the security folks nor any noisy > action from the > > protestors. Everyone did their job and I am glad the message > went out > > since more than 7 tweets (including mine) were sent as a way > to pass on > > the message presented by the protestors, videos and pictures > were taken > > as well. > > > > Someone in this world said something like this : "I can > guarantee you > > freedom of expression but not freedom after expression". I > hope nothing > > bad will happen to our dear protestators after the IGF is over. > > > > Regards, > > A > > > > *------------------------------------------------------* > > _*/Arsène Tungali,/*_ > > Co-founder and Executive Director, Rudi International > > > > Founder, Mabingwa Forum > > > > Work email:arsenebaguma at gmail.com > > > Facebook - Twitter > > -LinkedIn > > > > Internet Governance - Blogger - ISOC Member - ICANN Fellow - IGF Fellow. > > Democratic Republic of Congo > > > > > > > > Le Mercredi 11 novembre 2015 9h01, CAFEC > a écrit : > > > > > > The values are manifested in acts we daily. > > Joana Congratulations on a speech that was expressive and > objective. Is > > it possible to have a copy of the speech ?? > > *Baudouin* > > > > ** > > ** > > *COORDINATION NATIONALE CAFEC > > *ICANN/AFRALO Member > > ISOC Member > > courriel:cafec3m at yahoo.fr > > téléphone: +243 998983491 > /+243813684512 > > > > > > > > Le Mardi 10 novembre 2015 21h14, parminder > > a > > écrit : > > > > > > Congrats Joana, it was the most substantial and evocative > speech I have > > heard at the IGF in a long time (if ever)! > > > > It was both precisely to the point, and carried the right > emotion and > > evocation. And so brave of you to have raised the issue of > removal of > > the CS protesters... Bravo!! > > > > parminder > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > -- > ----------------------------------------- > Anriette Esterhuysen > Executive Director > Association for Progressive Communications > anriette at apc.org > www.apc.org > IM: ae_apc > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > -- > > Gangesh Sreekumar Varma | Senior Fellow > Centre for Communication Governance | National Law University, > Delhi | Sector-14, Dwarka, New Delhi - 110078 | Cell: (+91) > 8447159123 | Fax: (+91) > 11-280-34256 | www.ccgdelhi.org . > www.ccgtlr.org .www.nludelhi.ac.in > | Twitter: @ccgdelhi > . @gangeshvarma > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you Sivasubramanian M On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:45 AM, Sivasubramanian M wrote: > Hello All, > > Please join the 6th meeting of the IGF Dynamic Coalition on Core Internet > Values at Workshop Room 3 on 11th November, 14 00 - 15 30 hours. This > dynamic coalition on Core Internet Values was formed following the > "Workshop on Fundamentals: Core Internet Values" held during the 2009 IGF > at Egypt, chaired by the Internet Society Past President Lynn St.Amour. The > Coalition has met during the five IGFs that followed Egypt and its sixth > meeting is at Brazil, to be chaired by Olivier Crepin Le-Blond. > > The pursuit of the Coalition in general is to work towards causing the > Internet to evolve in such a manner that its Core Values are not > compromised. The stakeholders to Internet Governance might share the view > that the Internet remains Global as One Internet, Open, Free, end to end so > as to foster Global Access, Permission-less Innovation and Global > Prosperity. > > The sub-theme of the 6th meeting in particular is : "Core Internet Values > as a Reference Standard for Global Internet Policy". > > This would be to discuss the thought that the organizations responsible > for components of Internet Governance including large Internet > Organizations, Governments and Civil Society organizations could > formulate/contribute to formulate Internet policy in a manner that the > Internet does not slip away from Core Internet Values. > > Panellists: > > Kathryn Brown, President and CEO of the Internet Society > Paul Wilson, Director General of APNIC > Erica Mann, Member, Board of Directors, ICANN > Carlton Anthony Samuels, former Member of the At-Large Advisory Committee > Mark Carvell, Representative of the United Kingdom at the Governmental > Advisory Committee of ICANN > Olivier Crepin Le-Blond, Past Chair of the ICANN At-Large Advisory > Committee > > If you are in Brazil for the IGF, please join the discussions at Workshop > Room 3 on 11th November during 14 00 hours - 15 30 hours. > > Thank you > Sivasubramanian M > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Professor Urs Gasser, Executive Director of the Berkman Centre for Internet & Society at Harvard University will moderate the session. This is an event that we are co-hosting with the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard University, the Digital Asia Hub, Dangerous Speech Project, Digital Rights Foundation, Pakistan and Dr. Cherian George. Recently several recent incidents of violence in South Asia have been attributed to online hate speech. We are looking to bring together diverse perspectives on this very serious issue. A document with the detailed session outline and schedule is attached to this email, and additional details about the event are given below. If you have any questions please do let us know. We hope that many of you will join us on the 12th. Best, Chinmayi *A Roundtable on* *Hate & Dangerous Speech Online: Identification & Strategies* 9:00 am – 10.30 am, 12th November 2015 *at* *Workshop Room - 10* *organised by* *The Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard University* *The Centre for Communication Governance at National Law University, Delhi* *The Dangerous Speech Project* *The Digital Asia Hub* *Digital Rights Foundation, Pakistan* *&* *Dr. Cherian George* *Moderator: Professor Urs Gasser**, Executive Director, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Sergio https://igf2015.sched.org/event/95d7516cfc91f8322a72a482c842e600#.VkOf8a6rRE4 [image: Sched.org Event] *for* IGF 2015 *4:00pm-5:30pm* @ Workshop Room 6 WS 200 A Double Irish, a Dutch Sandwich, and a Caipirinha, por favor: an Internet & Taxation Tale = Workshop 200, Thursday, 4pm: The interest of governments in understanding and taxing Internet services is escalating. Whereas some countries are interested in fighting international tax-avoidance strategies of multinational companies, others tackle the issue of taxing specific Internet services within their territory. Due to the novelty of the topic at this venue, the organizers expect to (i) collect the views of different stakeholders, (ii) highlight some of the most important issues pertaining to Internet taxation, (iii) identify proper venues where this matter (iii.a) is being and (iii.b) should be addressed, (iv) brainstorm ways forward (e.g., best practices, formal legal compromises, multilateral and multistakeholder approaches), (v) establish a coalition of stakeholders interested in further research and development on this matter. Expected taxation topics: Base Erosion and Profit Shifting (BEPS), OTTs and telecom services, digital currencies, cloud, data centers, e-commerce, internacional corporate strategies, jurisdiction, taxing/detaxing, public demonstrations 1. Balázs Gulyás, Civil society, Hungary 2. Igor Vilas Boas de Freitas, Comissioner, Anatel (National Telecommunication Agency), Brazil 3. Primavera di Philippi, Berkman Center for Internet & Society, Harvard University, USA/France 4. Carlos J. Perez Chow, Creel Abogados, Mexico 5. Usman Ahmed, Georgetown University Law Center, United States 6. Renata Emery, Partner of Xavier, Duque Estrada, Emery, Denardi Advogados, Brazil 7. Parminder Jeet Singh, IT for Change, India 8. Fitahiana Zoniaina Rakotomalala, Civil Society, Madagascar 9. Carlos Raúl Gutierrez, GNSO Council at ICANN, Costa Rica Due to the novelty and complexity of this Internet Economy issue at the IGF, CEDIS/IDP and IBIDEM propose to structure the panel into a presentation format that would facilitate the discussion of the following questions: (i) What are the basic issues surrounding the taxation on the Internet? (ii) What are the common measures being put in place by governments? (iii) What are the most common corporate practices (e.g. the double Irish with a Dutch sandwich arrangement )? (iv) Are there best practices to be shared? (v) Are formal legal instruments a way out? (vi) Is it possible to consider this topic from a multistakeholder perspective? (vii) What are the proper venues for debating Internet taxation? (viii) What are the ways forward? With the support of experts from different stakeholder groups and open access to remote participants, the workshop would enable the following outcomes: (i) The collection of the views of different stakeholders; (ii) A more detailed problem definition; (iii) Identification of some of the most important issues pertaining to Internet taxation; (iv) Identification of proper venues where this matter is being and should be addressed; (v) Possible ways forward (e.g., best practices, formal legal compromises, multilateral and multistakeholder approaches); (vi) Establishment of a coalition of stakeholders interested in further research and development on this issue. Grab Your Schedule Go mobile, sync to calendar or print it. Organizing An Event? Use Sched to publish your event too → Your event is powered by Sched. 5818 33rd Ave N. St Pete, FL 33710. Get help with your schedule. Not attending? Unsubscribe from this event. -- *Sérgio Alves Jr.* Centro de Direito, Internet & Sociedade do Instituto Brasiliense de Direito Público (CEDIS/IDP) sergio.alves at idp.edu.br *About CEDIS/IDP*: The “Centro de Direito, Internet e Sociedade do Instituto Brasiliense de Direito Público” is an Internet & society research team led by experienced academics and practitioners in the filed. IDP is a leading law school in Brasilia, Brazil. *About IBIDEM*: The “Instituto Beta para Internet e Democracia” is a non-profit aimed at promoting legal and political rights in the Internet and ICT environment. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please take the opportunity to make a difference by sharing your views with the youth on the Imagining the Internet video team. You can seek them out in the conference center, OR IF you would like to make a specific appointment to be interviewed, please write to Michael Bodley - mbodley at elon.edu or Kenn Gaither - tgaither at elon.edu Thank you to the many who have already spoken with us. We have recorded answers to five questions from more than 70 people. The videos are being posted constantly throughout IGF at the following URLs: - Hope for IGF future: http://www.elon.edu/e-web/imagining/event-coverage/global_igf_2015/hope_for_IGF.xhtml - Top Internet issues: http://www.elon.edu/e-web/imagining/event-coverage/global_igf_2015/top_Internet_issues_2015.xhtml - Biggest threats to the 'Net: http://www.elon.edu/e-web/imagining/event-coverage/global_igf_2015/Internet_biggest_threat.xhtml - Access for the last billions: http://www.elon.edu/e-web/imagining/event-coverage/global_igf_2015/Internet_access.xhtml - The future in a nutshell: http://www.elon.edu/e-web/imagining/event-coverage/global_igf_2015/Internet_future_nutshell.xhtml Here's a photo of the team, so you can spot them easily. (Although we confirmed a reservation for an IGF Village space in July they did not give us a space, so, apologies, but we do not have a well-marked home base.) [cid:4B314D81-CCCC-4A24-A9FE-8E838F0E334B] Thank you once again for your generous participation in our work to serve global good by sharing peoples hopes and fears. Best, Janna -- Janna Quitney Anderson Director of Elon University's Imagining the Internet Center http://www.imaginingtheinternet.org Professor of Communications, Senior Faculty Research Fellow, Elon University Senior Contract Researcher, Pew Internet Twitter: @JannaQ https://twitter.com/JANNAQ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jannaanderson Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/janna.anderson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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About this issue: How does the politics of sex and sexual rights activism take place online? How are generally accepted sexual identities, as well as marginalised sexualities, expressed, regulated and moralised on the internet? And how does this relate to the threats of surveillance, censorship and online violence? These are some of the questions that this year's edition of the "Global Information Society Watch report (GISWatch 2015, available at http://www.giswatch.org/2015-sexual-rights-and-internet) aims to respond to. With sexual rights and the internet as the main theme, the issues addressed by the country reports range from the challenges and possibilities that the internet offers lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex (LBGTI) communities to the active role of religious, cultural and patriarchal establishments in suppressing sexual rights, including same-sex marriage, to the rights of sex workers, violence against women online, and sex education in schools. What is GISWatch? GISWatch is collaborative community committed to building an open, inclusive and sustainable information society. The GISWatch reports are a series of yearly reports covering the state of the information society from the perspectives of civil society, but GISWatch is not only a publication, it is a process. The long-term goal of the project is to build policy analysis skills and "habits" into the work of civil society organisations that work in the areas of ICT for development, democracy and social justice. Why a Sexual rights and the internet edition? The timing of this publication is critical: many across the globe are denied their sexual rights, some facing direct persecution for their sexuality (in several countries, homosexuality is a crime). While these reports seem to indicate that the internet does help in the expression and defence of sexual rights, they also show that in some contexts this potential is under threat – whether through the active use of the internet by conservative and reactionary groups, or through threats of harassment and violence. The reports suggest that a radical revisiting of policy, legislation and practice is needed in many contexts to ensure that the possibilities of the internet for guaranteeing sexual rights are realised all over the world. The eight thematic reports introduce the theme from different perspectives, including the global policy landscape for sexual rights and the internet, the privatisation of spaces for free expression and engagement, the need to create a feminist internet, how to think about children and their vulnerabilities online, and consent and pornography online. These thematic reports frame the 57 country reports that follow. Each country report includes a list of action steps for future advocacy. Evolving in line with the challenges and tensions of internet rights The increased attention to and impact of the GISWatch publications is a milestone in a process that started in 2007, when we published our first report focusing on Participation. After that, we published reports addressing the themes of Access to Infrastructure:, "Access to Online Information and Knowledge", "ICTs and Environmental Sustainability":, "Internet Rights and Democratisation", "The Internet and Corruption":, "Communications Rights Ten Years after WSIS":, "Women's Rights, Gender and ICTs":, and "Internet rights that went wrong in Turkey". Las year's report was on surveillance. Can it be followed remotely? You can follow it through the #IGF2015 and #GISWatch2015 hashtags. After the launch, we will "unlock" the report and you will be able to download it from "here" Meanwhile, follow @APC_News and #GISWatch2015 for teasers and insights on the process, and stay tuned! Colnodo - Uso estratégico de Internet para el desarrollo *Ariel Barbosa* Director de Proyectos de Tecnología Tel: 57-1 232 4246 ext. 4301 | 57-315 258 5596 Diagonal 40A (Antigua Av. 39) No. 14-75 Bogotá, Colombia ariel at colnodo.apc.org | Twitter @colnodo www.colnodo.apc.org - Uso Estratégico de Internet para el Desarrollo Miembro de la Asociación para el Progreso de las Comunicaciones -APC- www.apc.org PGP: 0xE5C5E92D | Fingerprint: F15F 75A5 F086 99C4 0BE3 E9F8 E6E7 15CF E5C5 E92D -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But since they weren't posted to IGC list I'm replying at this level in the thread. Sorry for any confusion or inconvenience. -- The argument in favor of banishing all forms of unscripted collective expression at a UN event is a bit strange, though. That the ability (right?) to protest must be subject to an organization's procedural rules defined by bureaucrats? To the best of my knowledge, the right for people to protest has never been gladly granted by any authority before they demanded it. And I thought protests in free societies were only expected to stand the test of legality, which is defined by national law (the fact that the venue of a UN event is considered a UN territory notwithstanding.) Even people protest illegally when the laws are unjust or illegitimate. In any case, it's obvious this rule needs some multistakeholder scrutiny for the good of the right to free and peaceful expression, including protests. Mawaki On Nov 11, 2015 3:50 PM, "Carlos Afonso" wrote: > I do hope they do not. This caused a huge problem for all of us (civil > society here at the IGF). We had (event organizers, the BR gov, CGI.br) > a very hard time to have the UN revert the decision to reinstate the > credentials and not to suspend others. > > Now the UN is checking bags for "harmful or suspicious" content. > > There are several forms of advocacy and manifestation, and some may do > more harm than good. Unfortunately this was one case. > > Strangely enough, the rules are published in the IGF page (FAQs > section), and some CS people argued they did not know the rules because > they were not published. > > fraternal regards > > --c.a. > > On 11-11-15 12:32, Felipe Sanches wrote: > > Now I hope they raise their banners again :-) > > > > "Paz sem voz é medo" (Peace without voice is fear) > > > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro > > > wrote: > > > > Update on Brazilian activists banned from #IGF2015 Their badge has > > been returned! UN has reconsidered the issue, thanks to all who > > contributed w/ the negotiation > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net >. > > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > -- > Carlos A. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ymshana2003 at gmail.com Thu Nov 12 03:15:51 2015 From: ymshana2003 at gmail.com (ymshana2003) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 10:15:51 +0200 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] update on Brazilian activists Message-ID: +1 Nawaki Chango.. Sent from Samsung Mobile -------- Original message -------- From: Mawaki Chango Date:12/11/2015 09:38 (GMT+02:00) To: "Carlos A. Afonso" Cc: Felipe Sanches ,Internet Governance ,Renata Aquino Ribeiro ,BestBits list Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] update on Brazilian activists N.B. I have read the posts that came after this one re opening up the rules to a multistakeholder process. But since they weren't posted to IGC list I'm replying at this level in the thread. Sorry for any confusion or inconvenience. -- The argument in favor of banishing all forms of unscripted collective expression at a UN event is a bit strange, though. That the ability (right?) to protest must be subject to an organization's procedural rules defined by bureaucrats? To the best of my knowledge, the right for people to protest has never been gladly granted by any authority before they demanded it. And I thought protests in free societies were only expected to stand the test of legality, which is defined by national law (the fact that the venue of a UN event is considered a UN territory notwithstanding.) Even people protest illegally when the laws are unjust or illegitimate. In any case, it's obvious this rule needs some multistakeholder scrutiny for the good of the right to free and peaceful expression, including protests. Mawaki On Nov 11, 2015 3:50 PM, "Carlos Afonso" wrote: I do hope they do not. This caused a huge problem for all of us (civil society here at the IGF). We had (event organizers, the BR gov, CGI.br) a very hard time to have the UN revert the decision to reinstate the credentials and not to suspend others. Now the UN is checking bags for "harmful or suspicious" content. There are several forms of advocacy and manifestation, and some may do more harm than good. Unfortunately this was one case. Strangely enough, the rules are published in the IGF page (FAQs section), and some CS people argued they did not know the rules because they were not published. fraternal regards --c.a. On 11-11-15 12:32, Felipe Sanches wrote: > Now I hope they raise their banners again :-) > > "Paz sem voz é medo" (Peace without voice is fear) > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro > > wrote: > >     Update on Brazilian activists banned from #IGF2015 Their badge has >     been returned! UN has reconsidered the issue, thanks to all who >     contributed w/ the negotiation > >     ____________________________________________________________ >     You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >          bestbits at lists.bestbits.net . >     To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >          http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >      bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >      http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -- Carlos A. 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My apologies to Antonio - I tried to contact your hub as the meeting started, but without success. Finally I suggest that in the process of reviewing the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS), and in considering the future of the IGC, it may be useful to revisit the contribution made then by civil society . I wish you could all be here with us Deirdre On 11 November 2015 at 12:38, Izumi AIZU wrote: > This is my personal note of IGC meeting at IGF 10, until my leaving the > room now. > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Wa-m2oWFdvPQ7t6cDu4R32tTgrX3Tud4mbZQJT0W5fE/edit > > izumi > > > 2015-10-31 21:14 GMT-03:00 Deirdre Williams : > >> Dear IGC members, >> >> Deirdre heard late Thursday afternoon that she will have funding to >> attend IGF 2015 in Joao Pessoa. Through the good offices of Eleonora we >> have a meeting room – Bilateral Room 3 – on Wednesday 11th November (Day >> 2) from 12.00 to 1300. Could you please indicate whether you will be >> willing and able to attend a face to face meeting of the IGC at that date >> and time? >> >> Whether you will be in Brazil or not we would be grateful for input for >> an agenda. Please remember that we have only one hour for the meeting. >> >> Thank you >> >> Deirdre and Analia >> >> -- >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William >> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > > -- > >> Izumi Aizu << > Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo > Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, > Japan > www.anr.org > -- “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Mwendwa Kivuva On Nov 12, 2015 5:15 AM, "ymshana2003" wrote: > +1 > Nawaki Chango.. > > > Sent from Samsung Mobile > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Mawaki Chango > Date:12/11/2015 09:38 (GMT+02:00) > To: "Carlos A. Afonso" > Cc: Felipe Sanches ,Internet Governance ,Renata Aquino Ribeiro ,BestBits > list > Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] update on Brazilian activists > > N.B. I have read the posts that came after this one re opening up the > rules to a multistakeholder process. But since they weren't posted to IGC > list I'm replying at this level in the thread. Sorry for any confusion or > inconvenience. > -- > > The argument in favor of banishing all forms of unscripted collective > expression at a UN event is a bit strange, though. That the ability > (right?) to protest must be subject to an organization's procedural rules > defined by bureaucrats? > > To the best of my knowledge, the right for people to protest has never > been gladly granted by any authority before they demanded it. And I thought > protests in free societies were only expected to stand the test of > legality, which is defined by national law (the fact that the venue of a UN > event is considered a UN territory notwithstanding.) Even people protest > illegally when the laws are unjust or illegitimate. > > In any case, it's obvious this rule needs some multistakeholder scrutiny > for the good of the right to free and peaceful expression, including > protests. > > Mawaki > On Nov 11, 2015 3:50 PM, "Carlos Afonso" wrote: > >> I do hope they do not. This caused a huge problem for all of us (civil >> society here at the IGF). We had (event organizers, the BR gov, CGI.br) >> a very hard time to have the UN revert the decision to reinstate the >> credentials and not to suspend others. >> >> Now the UN is checking bags for "harmful or suspicious" content. >> >> There are several forms of advocacy and manifestation, and some may do >> more harm than good. Unfortunately this was one case. >> >> Strangely enough, the rules are published in the IGF page (FAQs >> section), and some CS people argued they did not know the rules because >> they were not published. >> >> fraternal regards >> >> --c.a. >> >> On 11-11-15 12:32, Felipe Sanches wrote: >> > Now I hope they raise their banners again :-) >> > >> > "Paz sem voz é medo" (Peace without voice is fear) >> > >> > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Renata Aquino Ribeiro >> > > wrote: >> > >> > Update on Brazilian activists banned from #IGF2015 Their badge has >> > been returned! UN has reconsidered the issue, thanks to all who >> > contributed w/ the negotiation >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>. >> > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> > >> >> -- >> Carlos A. 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Then lets explore mechanisms that will make it possible to set out a review of its charter to reflect possibilities of harnessing the vast resources around the corners for stronger support. Hope to continue the discussions with responses from great fellows and friends. Warm regards Sonigitu Ekpe Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Deirdre Williams < williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Izumi, > Thank you very much. > I will add my notes to these, and invite and encourage those who were > present at the meeting to do the same. > Thank you also to all of those who came to the meeting. > My apologies to Antonio - I tried to contact your hub as the meeting > started, but without success. > Finally I suggest that in the process of reviewing the World Summit on the > Information Society (WSIS), and in considering the future of the IGC, it > may be useful to revisit the contribution made then by civil society > . > I wish you could all be here with us > Deirdre > > On 11 November 2015 at 12:38, Izumi AIZU wrote: > >> This is my personal note of IGC meeting at IGF 10, until my leaving the >> room now. >> >> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Wa-m2oWFdvPQ7t6cDu4R32tTgrX3Tud4mbZQJT0W5fE/edit >> >> izumi >> >> >> 2015-10-31 21:14 GMT-03:00 Deirdre Williams : >> >>> Dear IGC members, >>> >>> Deirdre heard late Thursday afternoon that she will have funding to >>> attend IGF 2015 in Joao Pessoa. Through the good offices of Eleonora we >>> have a meeting room – Bilateral Room 3 – on Wednesday 11th November >>> (Day 2) from 12.00 to 1300. Could you please indicate whether you will be >>> willing and able to attend a face to face meeting of the IGC at that date >>> and time? >>> >>> Whether you will be in Brazil or not we would be grateful for input for >>> an agenda. Please remember that we have only one hour for the meeting. >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> Deirdre and Analia >>> >>> -- >>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir >>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Izumi Aizu << >> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >> Japan >> www.anr.org >> > > > > -- > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William > Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From wisdom.dk at gmail.com Thu Nov 12 07:08:34 2015 From: wisdom.dk at gmail.com (Wisdom Donkor) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 12:08:34 +0000 Subject: [governance] IGC meeting in Joao Pessoa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Master please look for me. WISDOM DONKOR (S/N Eng.) ICANN Fellow / ISOC Member Web/OGPL Portal Specialist National Information Technology Agency (NITA) Ghana Open Data Initiative (GODI) Post Office Box CT. 2439, Cantonments, Accra, Ghana Tel; +233 20 812881 Email: wisdom_dk at hotmail.com wisdom.donkor at data.gov.gh wisdom.dk at gmail.com Skype: wisdom_dk facebook: facebook at wisdom_dk Website: www.nita.gov.gh / www.data.gov.gh www.isoc.gh / www.itag.org.gh On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Sonigitu Ekpe wrote: > Dear All, > > Please accept my apologies for arriving very late when the meeting had > ended. > > My proposal: > > The IGC is such a unique network and has contributed greatly to > discussions around the evolution of the Internet. Is it possible to move > its status by incorporating it? > > If yes. Then lets explore mechanisms that will make it possible to set out > a review of its charter to reflect possibilities of harnessing the vast > resources around the corners for stronger support. > > Hope to continue the discussions with responses from great fellows and > friends. > > Warm regards > > Sonigitu Ekpe > > Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802 751 0179 > "LIFE is all about love and thanksgiving" > > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Deirdre Williams < > williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear Izumi, >> Thank you very much. >> I will add my notes to these, and invite and encourage those who were >> present at the meeting to do the same. >> Thank you also to all of those who came to the meeting. >> My apologies to Antonio - I tried to contact your hub as the meeting >> started, but without success. >> Finally I suggest that in the process of reviewing the World Summit on >> the Information Society (WSIS), and in considering the future of the IGC, >> it may be useful to revisit the contribution made then by civil society >> . >> I wish you could all be here with us >> Deirdre >> >> On 11 November 2015 at 12:38, Izumi AIZU wrote: >> >>> This is my personal note of IGC meeting at IGF 10, until my leaving the >>> room now. >>> >>> >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Wa-m2oWFdvPQ7t6cDu4R32tTgrX3Tud4mbZQJT0W5fE/edit >>> >>> izumi >>> >>> >>> 2015-10-31 21:14 GMT-03:00 Deirdre Williams >>> : >>> >>>> Dear IGC members, >>>> >>>> Deirdre heard late Thursday afternoon that she will have funding to >>>> attend IGF 2015 in Joao Pessoa. Through the good offices of Eleonora we >>>> have a meeting room – Bilateral Room 3 – on Wednesday 11th November >>>> (Day 2) from 12.00 to 1300. Could you please indicate whether you will be >>>> willing and able to attend a face to face meeting of the IGC at that date >>>> and time? >>>> >>>> Whether you will be in Brazil or not we would be grateful for input for >>>> an agenda. Please remember that we have only one hour for the meeting. >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> >>>> Deirdre and Analia >>>> >>>> -- >>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir >>>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>>> >>>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >> Izumi Aizu << >>> Institute for InfoSocionomics, Tama University, Tokyo >>> Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita, >>> Japan >>> www.anr.org >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William >> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979 >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From sergioalvesjunior at gmail.com Thu Nov 12 07:27:49 2015 From: sergioalvesjunior at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?S=C3=A9rgio_Alves_Jr=2E?=) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:27:49 -0300 Subject: [governance] Internet & Taxation, IGF WS 200, Nov. 12, @4pm (local time), room 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 11, 2015 17:09, "Sérgio Alves Jr." wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > CEDIS/IDP and IBIDEM kindly invite you to join us tomorrow for a talk on > Internet & Taxation. > > Regards, > Sergio > > > > https://igf2015.sched.org/event/95d7516cfc91f8322a72a482c842e600#.VkOf8a6rRE4 > > [image: Sched.org Event] > > *for* IGF 2015 > > *4:00pm-5:30pm* @ Workshop Room 6 > WS 200 A Double Irish, a Dutch Sandwich, and a Caipirinha, por favor: > an Internet & Taxation Tale > > > = Workshop 200, Thursday, 4pm: > > The interest of governments in understanding and taxing Internet services > is escalating. Whereas some countries are interested in fighting > international tax-avoidance strategies of multinational companies, others > tackle the issue of taxing specific Internet services within their > territory. > > Due to the novelty of the topic at this venue, the organizers expect to > (i) collect the views of different stakeholders, (ii) highlight some of the > most important issues pertaining to Internet taxation, (iii) identify > proper venues where this matter (iii.a) is being and (iii.b) should be > addressed, (iv) brainstorm ways forward (e.g., best practices, formal legal > compromises, multilateral and multistakeholder approaches), (v) establish a > coalition of stakeholders interested in further research and development on > this matter. > > Expected taxation topics: Base Erosion and Profit Shifting (BEPS), OTTs > and telecom services, digital currencies, cloud, data centers, e-commerce, > internacional corporate strategies, jurisdiction, taxing/detaxing, public > demonstrations > > 1. Balázs Gulyás, Civil society, Hungary > 2. Igor Vilas Boas de Freitas, Comissioner, Anatel (National > Telecommunication Agency), Brazil > 3. Primavera di Philippi, Berkman Center for Internet & Society, Harvard > University, USA/France > 4. Carlos J. Perez Chow, Creel Abogados, Mexico > 5. Usman Ahmed, Georgetown University Law Center, United States > 6. Renata Emery, Partner of Xavier, Duque Estrada, Emery, Denardi > Advogados, Brazil > 7. Parminder Jeet Singh, IT for Change, India > 8. Fitahiana Zoniaina Rakotomalala, Civil Society, Madagascar > 9. Carlos Raúl Gutierrez, GNSO Council at ICANN, Costa Rica > > Due to the novelty and complexity of this Internet Economy issue at the > IGF, CEDIS/IDP and IBIDEM propose to structure the panel into a > presentation format that would facilitate the discussion of the following > questions: > (i) What are the basic issues surrounding the taxation on the Internet? > (ii) What are the common measures being put in place by governments? > (iii) What are the most common corporate practices (e.g. the double Irish > with a Dutch sandwich arrangement )? > (iv) Are there best practices to be shared? > (v) Are formal legal instruments a way out? > (vi) Is it possible to consider this topic from a multistakeholder > perspective? > (vii) What are the proper venues for debating Internet taxation? > (viii) What are the ways forward? > > With the support of experts from different stakeholder groups and open > access to remote participants, the workshop would enable the following > outcomes: > (i) The collection of the views of different stakeholders; > (ii) A more detailed problem definition; > (iii) Identification of some of the most important issues pertaining to > Internet taxation; > (iv) Identification of proper venues where this matter is being and should > be addressed; > (v) Possible ways forward (e.g., best practices, formal legal compromises, > multilateral and multistakeholder approaches); > (vi) Establishment of a coalition of stakeholders interested in further > research and development on this issue. > > Grab Your Schedule > > Go mobile, sync to calendar or print it. > > Organizing An Event? > > Use Sched to publish your event too → > > > > Your event is powered by Sched. 5818 33rd Ave N. St Pete, FL 33710. > Get help > > with your schedule. Not attending? Unsubscribe > > from this event. > > > > > -- > *Sérgio Alves Jr.* > Centro de Direito, Internet & Sociedade do Instituto Brasiliense de > Direito Público (CEDIS/IDP) > sergio.alves at idp.edu.br > > > *About CEDIS/IDP*: The “Centro de Direito, Internet e Sociedade do > Instituto Brasiliense de Direito Público” is an Internet & society research > team led by experienced academics and practitioners in the filed. IDP is a > leading law school in Brasilia, Brazil. > > > > *About IBIDEM*: The “Instituto Beta para Internet e Democracia” is a > non-profit aimed at promoting legal and political rights in the Internet > and ICT environment. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Does the UN have any kind of court or tribunal that has authority to invalidate any of the UN's internal rules if they conflict with the principles of the UN's own international human rights treaties? If not I would suggest that one should be created asap, as lack of due legal recourse is also a human rights violation. 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I am co-organizing it so i can't miss. Will look forward for the minutes if possible from your meeing. Regards,A  ------------------------------------------------------Arsène Tungali,Co-founder and Executive Director, Rudi InternationalFounder, Mabingwa Forum Work email: arsenebaguma at gmail.comFacebook - Twitter - LinkedInInternet Governance - Blogger - ISOC Member - ICANN Fellow - IGF Fellow.Democratic Republic of Congo Le Jeudi 12 novembre 2015 3h39, parminder a écrit : All There will be a brief presentation at the IGF of the Internet Social Forum initiative, and taking of questions and inputs, in an half an hour session on Friday the 13th in workshop room 2 at 2 PM. As many of you will know Internet Social Forum is a thematic forum of the World Social Forum, It is planned to be held sometime late 2016. All are invited to come. parminder PS: Enclosed the initial call for an ISF, and the 'Tunis Call for a People's Internet' adopted at a workshop on the ISF initiative at the Worls Social Forum in Tunis is March 2015 ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:     governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit:     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:     http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From isolatedn at gmail.com Thu Nov 12 08:49:51 2015 From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 19:19:51 +0530 Subject: [governance] Happening Now at Workshop Room 3: 6th meeting of the Dynamic Coalition on Core Internet Values In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello The session is archived at the URL http://livestream.com/internetsociety2/igf Please share your views on the thoughts expressed at this workshop. Thank you Sivasubramanian M Sivasubramanian M On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Sivasubramanian M wrote: > Hello > > Please join us at the meeting. > > Thank you > > Sivasubramanian M > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 12:45 AM, Sivasubramanian M > wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> Please join the 6th meeting of the IGF Dynamic Coalition on Core Internet >> Values at Workshop Room 3 on 11th November, 14 00 - 15 30 hours. This >> dynamic coalition on Core Internet Values was formed following the >> "Workshop on Fundamentals: Core Internet Values" held during the 2009 IGF >> at Egypt, chaired by the Internet Society Past President Lynn St.Amour. The >> Coalition has met during the five IGFs that followed Egypt and its sixth >> meeting is at Brazil, to be chaired by Olivier Crepin Le-Blond. >> >> The pursuit of the Coalition in general is to work towards causing the >> Internet to evolve in such a manner that its Core Values are not >> compromised. The stakeholders to Internet Governance might share the view >> that the Internet remains Global as One Internet, Open, Free, end to end so >> as to foster Global Access, Permission-less Innovation and Global >> Prosperity. >> >> The sub-theme of the 6th meeting in particular is : "Core Internet Values >> as a Reference Standard for Global Internet Policy". >> >> This would be to discuss the thought that the organizations responsible >> for components of Internet Governance including large Internet >> Organizations, Governments and Civil Society organizations could >> formulate/contribute to formulate Internet policy in a manner that the >> Internet does not slip away from Core Internet Values. >> >> Panellists: >> >> Kathryn Brown, President and CEO of the Internet Society >> Paul Wilson, Director General of APNIC >> Erica Mann, Member, Board of Directors, ICANN >> Carlton Anthony Samuels, former Member of the At-Large Advisory Committee >> Mark Carvell, Representative of the United Kingdom at the Governmental >> Advisory Committee of ICANN >> Olivier Crepin Le-Blond, Past Chair of the ICANN At-Large Advisory >> Committee >> >> If you are in Brazil for the IGF, please join the discussions at Workshop >> Room 3 on 11th November during 14 00 hours - 15 30 hours. >> >> Thank you >> Sivasubramanian M >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Ginger Ginger (Virginia) Paque DiploFoundation Dear Colleagues, I would like to share with you the third issue of the *IGF Daily , *a daily newsletter prepared by DiploFoundation and Internet Society ambassadors, covering the day's updates from IGF 2015. Issue #3 includes: a commentary on outcomes of the IGF and the extension of the IGF mandate; reports from sessions; updates from the Prefix Monitor and social media analysis; and a new IGF Selfie (who's the mystery photographer this time?). In case you missed the first two issues, you can read them here: Issue 1 < http://digitalwatch.giplatform.org/sites/default/files/IGFBrasilDailyNo1WEB.pdf > and Issue 2 < http://digitalwatch.giplatform.org/sites/default/files/IGFBrasilDailyNo2WEB.pdf > . 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From willi.uebelherr at riseup.net Fri Nov 13 09:41:51 2015 From: willi.uebelherr at riseup.net (willi uebelherr) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 10:11:51 -0430 Subject: [governance] The Internet Social Forum initiative In-Reply-To: <5643ED96.3020705@itforchange.net> References: <5643ED96.3020705@itforchange.net> Message-ID: <5645F6AF.8080304@riseup.net> (please: I use the lists for IUF and IGF, if i am member in this list. If you answer, please check your membership) Dear friends. 1) I do not understand, why parminder append the texts and do not write the link. He do not understand the principles of text-exchange in our digital communication. Call For ISF http://internetsocialforum.net/isf/?page_id=848 Tunis Resolution http://internetsocialforum.net/isf/?page_id=832 2) Parminder wrote: "As many of you will know Internet Social Forum is a thematic forum of the World Social Forum..." Never this group can create a thematic forum of the World Social Forum for Internet. With this censors and autocrats like Norbert Bollow, Richard Hill and Michael Gurstein never we can create a World Internet Forum as a thematic forum of the WSF(FSM). It is a group of selfish oriented people, they support the Internet Governance. They support the centralized controll of the Internet. They speak about self organizing, but never they like it. And never they want accept it. We have to be clear, that the World Social Forum is a forum of the people in our world, on our planet. And not only the people from Europe or North America. Therefore, a World Internet Forum can only arise based on the people on our planet, based on equality, based on an open and free discussion. And not in this "clandestino" form like the ISF (Internet Social Forum). For our free InterNet, the free Interconnection of local Networks, based on the local/regional self organized creation of this transport system for digital data in packet form, we need the open space for our philosophical and technical design principles. It have to be a process in our space of free technology. Free to participate, free to use for all people on our planet. Then, and only then, the people local can create his part of the global digital interconnection for all people. Free and gratis. many greetings, willi Coro, Venezuela -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: [governance] The Internet Social Forum initiative Datum: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 07:08:30 +0530 Von: parminder An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org , BestBitsList , Forum at Justnetcoalition. Org All There will be a brief presentation at the IGF of the Internet Social Forum initiative, and taking of questions and inputs, in an half an hour session on Friday the 13th in workshop room 2 at 2 PM. As many of you will know Internet Social Forum is a thematic forum of the World Social Forum, It is planned to be held sometime late 2016. All are invited to come. parminder PS: Enclosed the initial call for an ISF, and the 'Tunis Call for a People's Internet' adopted at a workshop on the ISF initiative at the Worls Social Forum in Tunis is March 2015 -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From willi.uebelherr at riseup.net Sat Nov 14 09:55:27 2015 From: willi.uebelherr at riseup.net (willi uebelherr) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 10:25:27 -0430 Subject: [governance] The Internet Social Forum initiative In-Reply-To: <56462AE5.1090204@eff.org> References: <5643ED96.3020705@itforchange.net> <5645F6AF.8080304@riseup.net> <56462AE5.1090204@eff.org> Message-ID: <56474B5F.9050407@riseup.net> Dear Jeremy, yes, this is a correct position. I have to concentrate my critique to the organisation ISF and mostly all people understand, what i mean. It is enough. I was angry about the text of parminder. And this emotion breaks the rules in your list. But we should be clear, that any organisation is always the result of the activity of the people. The organisation, any form of this, do not exist. Only the active people exist. I think, that also in the IGF lists, like bestbits or governance, we need a strong discussion about, how we can create a real InterNet, an Internet for the people and not for capitalistic instances. And this discussion we can start in the space of the World Social Forum. In all IGF lists we have a high level of experience and knowledge. This can be very helpful for us in the process of creation a real InterNet. Please, excuse my emotional reaction. many greetings, willi Coro, Venezuela Am 13/11/2015 um 01:54 p.m. schrieb Jeremy Malcolm: > Please no ad hominem attacks on the Best Bits list. Non-personal > critiques of particular initiatives of any kind are otherwise OK if > relevant. But personal criticisms, whatever the source or target, are > grounds for suspension from the list from now on. This rule has not > been consistently applied in the past, but the results of our recent > Best Bits survey give a clear mandate for the administrators to take a > firmer hand in handling ad hominem attacks on the list. > > Thanks. > > On 13/11/2015 11:41 AM, willi uebelherr wrote: >> (please: I use the lists for IUF and IGF, if i am member in this list. >> If you answer, please check your membership) >> >> Dear friends. >> >> 1) I do not understand, why parminder append the texts and do not >> write the link. He do not understand the principles of text-exchange >> in our digital communication. >> >> Call For ISF >> http://internetsocialforum.net/isf/?page_id=848 >> Tunis Resolution >> http://internetsocialforum.net/isf/?page_id=832 >> >> 2) Parminder wrote: >> "As many of you will know Internet Social Forum is a thematic forum of >> the World Social Forum..." >> >> Never this group can create a thematic forum of the World Social Forum >> for Internet. With this censors and autocrats like Norbert Bollow, >> Richard Hill and Michael Gurstein never we can create a World Internet >> Forum as a thematic forum of the WSF(FSM). It is a group of selfish >> oriented people, they support the Internet Governance. They support >> the centralized controll of the Internet. They speak about self >> organizing, but never they like it. And never they want accept it. >> >> We have to be clear, that the World Social Forum is a forum of the >> people in our world, on our planet. And not only the people from >> Europe or North America. Therefore, a World Internet Forum can only >> arise based on the people on our planet, based on equality, based on >> an open and free discussion. And not in this "clandestino" form like >> the ISF (Internet Social Forum). >> >> For our free InterNet, the free Interconnection of local Networks, >> based on the local/regional self organized creation of this transport >> system for digital data in packet form, we need the open space for our >> philosophical and technical design principles. It have to be a process >> in our space of free technology. Free to participate, free to use for >> all people on our planet. Then, and only then, the people local can >> create his part of the global digital interconnection for all people. >> Free and gratis. >> >> many greetings, willi >> Coro, Venezuela >> >> >> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- >> Betreff: [governance] The Internet Social Forum initiative >> Datum: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 07:08:30 +0530 >> Von: parminder >> An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org , >> BestBitsList , Forum at Justnetcoalition. >> Org >> >> All >> >> There will be a brief presentation at the IGF of the Internet Social >> Forum initiative, and taking of questions and inputs, in an half an hour >> session on Friday the 13th in workshop room 2 at 2 PM. >> >> As many of you will know Internet Social Forum is a thematic forum of >> the World Social Forum, It is planned to be held sometime late 2016. >> >> All are invited to come. >> >> parminder >> >> PS: Enclosed the initial call for an ISF, and the 'Tunis Call for a >> People's Internet' adopted at a workshop on the ISF initiative at the >> Worls Social Forum in Tunis is March 2015 >> >> >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From pdmnbaruah at gmail.com Mon Nov 16 07:01:15 2015 From: pdmnbaruah at gmail.com (Padmini) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 17:31:15 +0530 Subject: [governance] Do we need a unified post-transition IANA? Message-ID: Dear all, (Apologies for cross posting at the outset) At the Centre for Internet and Society, we found ourselves wondering why there was a strong presumption in favour of unified IANA functions after the transition, given that there was at one point of time significant amounts of discourse on splitting these functions. Even as we all debate over the extent of ICANN's coordinating functions over the different functions, perhaps we could open our - minds to the idea of separating the three functions - names, numbers, protocols - after the transition. This idea has been detailed in the blog post below. The three main points we make are : - Splitting of the IANA functions allows for technical specialisation leading to greater efficiency of the IANA functions. - Splitting of the IANA functions allows for more direct accountability, and no concentration of power. - Splitting of the IANA functions allows for ease of shifting of the {names,number,protocol parameters} IANA functions operator without affecting the legal structure of any of the other IANA function operators. http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/do-we-need-a-unified-post-tranistion-iana We welcome comments on this. Warm Regards Padmini Centre for Internet and Society Bangalore -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From pouzin at well.com Mon Nov 16 08:13:10 2015 From: pouzin at well.com (Louis Pouzin (well)) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 14:13:10 +0100 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Do we need a unified post-transition IANA? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi , It was obvious from its inception that playing with IANA functions is nothing but a pastime tabled till the next US gov is firmly in the driver seat, maybe end 2017, as they have more critical priorities than IG. The crux of the matter is splitting ICANN functions. Not to be a public debate, of course. . Fasten your seat belts. Louis - - - On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Padmini wrote: > Dear all, > > (Apologies for cross posting at the outset) > > At the Centre for Internet and Society, we found ourselves wondering why > there was a strong presumption in favour of unified IANA functions after > the transition, given that there was at one point of time significant > amounts of discourse on splitting these functions. Even as we all debate > over the extent of ICANN's coordinating functions over the different > functions, perhaps we could open our - minds to the idea of separating the > three functions - names, numbers, protocols - after the transition. > > This idea has been detailed in the blog post below. The three main points > we make are : > > - Splitting of the IANA functions allows for technical specialisation > leading to greater efficiency of the IANA functions. > - Splitting of the IANA functions allows for more direct > accountability, and no concentration of power. > - Splitting of the IANA functions allows for ease of shifting of the > {names,number,protocol parameters} IANA functions operator without > affecting the legal structure of any of the other IANA function operators. > > > > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/do-we-need-a-unified-post-tranistion-iana > > > We welcome comments on this. > > Warm Regards > > Padmini > Centre for Internet and Society > Bangalore > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From Kivuva at transworldafrica.com Mon Nov 16 09:14:56 2015 From: Kivuva at transworldafrica.com (Mwendwa Kivuva) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 17:14:56 +0300 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] Do we need a unified post-transition IANA? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Splitting of the IANA functions is not an impossibility, and the different communities had deliberated on them exhaustively. For example, the numbering community said they were comfortable on how the current IANA functions operator had performed it's role on the numbering function, and they were happy for ICANN to continue in that role. However, they also had clauses on what happens when the IANA functions operator fails to meet the SLA, and the community feels the function has to be moved to another operator. Regards On Nov 16, 2015 3:01 PM, "Padmini" wrote: > Dear all, > > (Apologies for cross posting at the outset) > > At the Centre for Internet and Society, we found ourselves wondering why > there was a strong presumption in favour of unified IANA functions after > the transition, given that there was at one point of time significant > amounts of discourse on splitting these functions. Even as we all debate > over the extent of ICANN's coordinating functions over the different > functions, perhaps we could open our - minds to the idea of separating the > three functions - names, numbers, protocols - after the transition. > > This idea has been detailed in the blog post below. The three main points > we make are : > > - Splitting of the IANA functions allows for technical specialisation > leading to greater efficiency of the IANA functions. > - Splitting of the IANA functions allows for more direct > accountability, and no concentration of power. > - Splitting of the IANA functions allows for ease of shifting of the > {names,number,protocol parameters} IANA functions operator without > affecting the legal structure of any of the other IANA function operators. > > > > http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/do-we-need-a-unified-post-tranistion-iana > > > We welcome comments on this. > > Warm Regards > > Padmini > Centre for Internet and Society > Bangalore > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From milton at gatech.edu Mon Nov 16 11:59:58 2015 From: milton at gatech.edu (Mueller, Milton L) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 16:59:58 +0000 Subject: [governance] [CCWG-ACCT] Do we need a unified post-transition IANA? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This issue (separate or integrated IANA functions operators) is really an issue that CCWG has nothing to say about. It was already decided by the three operational communities that each IFO would be separable, and protocols and numbers already have clear ways of separating from ICANN, whereas names has a very difficult and complicated process for doing so. CCWG touches on this issue ONLY insofar as the instructions of the separation process must be enforceable somehow (for ONLY the names community). From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Padmini Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 7:01 AM To: BestBits; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Accountability Cross Community; NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Do we need a unified post-transition IANA? Dear all, (Apologies for cross posting at the outset) At the Centre for Internet and Society, we found ourselves wondering why there was a strong presumption in favour of unified IANA functions after the transition, given that there was at one point of time significant amounts of discourse on splitting these functions. Even as we all debate over the extent of ICANN's coordinating functions over the different functions, perhaps we could open our - minds to the idea of separating the three functions - names, numbers, protocols - after the transition. This idea has been detailed in the blog post below. The three main points we make are : * Splitting of the IANA functions allows for technical specialisation leading to greater efficiency of the IANA functions. * Splitting of the IANA functions allows for more direct accountability, and no concentration of power. * Splitting of the IANA functions allows for ease of shifting of the {names,number,protocol parameters} IANA functions operator without affecting the legal structure of any of the other IANA function operators. http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/do-we-need-a-unified-post-tranistion-iana We welcome comments on this. Warm Regards Padmini Centre for Internet and Society Bangalore -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The IGF Report provides layered reporting from a general overview, which you are reading now, to detailed summaries which you can follow via links on GIP Digital Watch and, on the third layer, primary source materials including session transcripts, tweets, and data sources. In this way GIP Digital Watch , in partnership with the Internet Society and DiploFoundation contributes to evidence-based policy making and future developments of the IGF. As always, your comments and support for our efforts will be welcome. With best regards, Ginger Ginger (Virginia) Paque DiploFoundation *DiploFoundation upcoming online courses:* http://www.diplomacy.edu/courses* * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Mon Nov 16 19:57:56 2015 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 11:57:56 +1100 Subject: [governance] CS speakers for WSIS+10 - suggestions from civil society representatives Message-ID: <28D56C25C0474735B01F04F99563B905@Toshiba> By all means distribute to other relevant lists. Hi everyone, in a letter signed jointly by Lea Kaspar and Richard Hill, the civil society reps on the WSIS+10 speaker selection committee have just forwarded the following names to UNDESA. But this is not the end of the story – UNDESA forwards the names to the Office of the President of the General Assembly (OPGA), who makes final choices. So these are not confirmed names yet. However, we have argued, and are currently preparing a letter to OPGA to continue to argue, that their initial concept of us supplying a list of 15 names for them to choose from was unacceptable, and could result in some significant imbalances among the various perspectives in civil society. We are also arguing for a stronger understanding in future of the separate role of technical and academic communities, who were lumped together with us in this exercise (although we did separate civil society towards the end to ensure we made our own selections). But I must say we worked very well with their representatives; but the separation is a matter of principle, that they also agree with. Private sector made their selections by a different and separate mechanism – we want to encourage that for civil society as well. This process has been extremely difficult; continually changing timetables, communication problems, phone linkups that didnt work, and many other unnecessary problems not worth mentioning here. But in the midst of that the civil society reps worked very well together to come up with this result, and will continue working to get a letter to OPGA together which we will publish when finalised, This is what our letter to UNDESA stated: The five selected speakers for the High Level Meeting are: 1.. Anriette Esterhuysen 2.. Parminder Singh 3.. Deniz Duru Aydin 4.. Avri Doria 5.. Roberto Bissio The ten additional speakers for the side events are: 1.. Matthew Shears 2.. Puneeth Nagaraj 3.. Kapinga K. Tatiana 4.. Daniel Stauffacher 5.. David Allen 6.. Abozer Elligai 7.. Anja Kovacs 8.. Rajkumar Prasad 9.. Chinyere Ezenwokike 10.. Jayesh Joshi As mentioned, this may change when OPGA gets involved. But this is what has been recommended. Ian Peter PS the civil society reps on the selection committee chosen by UNDESA from names sub mitted, included Ian Peter, Lea Kaspar, Richard Hill, Michael Gurstein, Anelia Apsis, Anita Gurumurthy, Reza Salim, Badouin Schombe, and Remmy Nweke -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng Tue Nov 17 01:57:32 2015 From: udochukwu.njoku at unn.edu.ng (Chris Prince Udochukwu Njoku) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 07:57:32 +0100 Subject: [governance] CS speakers for WSIS+10 - suggestions from civil society representatives In-Reply-To: <28D56C25C0474735B01F04F99563B905@Toshiba> References: <28D56C25C0474735B01F04F99563B905@Toshiba> Message-ID: Hi, all, The CS reps have done an amazing work. The argument for UNDESA and OPGA not to do any second selection for CS is right and should be vigorously sustained. CS should be trusted enough to select people whom they believe will stand for their interests within their operational procedures. The thing is that what the UN (as the union of governments) is doing is not surprising at all. Let's hope that multistakeholderism will really be. Regards, CPU. CPU Njọkụ ------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------ *Chris Prince Udochukwu Njọkụ, Ph.D.* University of Nigeria Alternate e-mail:: udochukwu.njoku at ieee.org Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/prince.udochukwunjoku LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisprinceudochukwunjoku Tel.: +234 8077227038, 8063450674, 8108218762 Project: https://sites.google.com/a/unn.edu.ng/eteachingproject/ Project’s Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/ETeachingProjectUniversityOfNigeria ​Blog Website: http://www.chrisprinceudochukwunjoku.blogspot.com​ ​ Twitter: @DrCPUNjoku On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Ian Peter wrote: > By all means distribute to other relevant lists. > > Hi everyone, in a letter signed jointly by Lea Kaspar and Richard Hill, > the civil society reps on the WSIS+10 speaker selection committee have just > forwarded the following names to UNDESA. > > But this is not the end of the story – UNDESA forwards the names to the > Office of the President of the General Assembly (OPGA), who makes final > choices. So these are not confirmed names yet. > > However, we have argued, and are currently preparing a letter to OPGA to > continue to argue, that their initial concept of us supplying a list of 15 > names for them to choose from was unacceptable, and could result in some > significant imbalances among the various perspectives in civil society. We > are also arguing for a stronger understanding in future of the separate > role of technical and academic communities, who were lumped together with > us in this exercise (although we did separate civil society towards the end > to ensure we made our own selections). But I must say we worked very well > with their representatives; but the separation is a matter of principle, > that they also agree with. > > Private sector made their selections by a different and separate mechanism > – we want to encourage that for civil society as well. > > This process has been extremely difficult; continually changing > timetables, communication problems, phone linkups that didnt work, and many > other unnecessary problems not worth mentioning here. But in the midst of > that the civil society reps worked very well together to come up with this > result, and will continue working to get a letter to OPGA together which we > will publish when finalised, > This is what our letter to UNDESA stated: > > The five selected speakers for the High Level Meeting are: > > 1. Anriette Esterhuysen > 2. Parminder Singh > 3. Deniz Duru Aydin > 4. Avri Doria > 5. Roberto Bissio > > The ten additional speakers for the side events are: > > 1. Matthew Shears > 2. Puneeth Nagaraj > 3. Kapinga K. Tatiana > 4. Daniel Stauffacher > 5. David Allen > 6. Abozer Elligai > 7. Anja Kovacs > 8. Rajkumar Prasad > 9. Chinyere Ezenwokike > 10. Jayesh Joshi > > As mentioned, this may change when OPGA gets involved. But this is what > has been recommended. > > > Ian Peter > > PS the civil society reps on the selection committee chosen by UNDESA from > names sub mitted, included Ian Peter, Lea Kaspar, Richard Hill, Michael > Gurstein, Anelia Apsis, Anita Gurumurthy, Reza Salim, Badouin Schombe, and > Remmy Nweke > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From joana at varonferraz.com Wed Nov 11 05:25:45 2015 From: joana at varonferraz.com (joana at varonferraz.com) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 08:25:45 -0200 Subject: [governance] Joana's speech In-Reply-To: <5642C5EB.9010609@cafonso.ca> References: <56425007.5070001@itforchange.net> <5642C5EB.9010609@cafonso.ca> Message-ID: <128df5c4-0b9f-4be8-9012-7059893eabb0@varonferraz.com> Dear all, Thanks a lot for the support. It was a pleasure to bring some points of concern for us to think in the way to come. I'm just correcting typos but will publish the speech asap. Regarding the protest issue, an update, so it does not escalate and compromise the activities to come: As mentioned by c.a., him and other representatives from civil society at CGI.br presented the aspects of overreaction of UN officials + the fact that people were not aware of UN rules and, as a result of some negotiations, credentials will be given back after a "good will" session. So this particular issue will gladly be solved. Though I'm happy that CGI and Br gov took the initiative to organize IGF here, I felt the (uncomfortable) urge to mentioned the episode in my speech as I was receiving worrying msgs from br cs colleagues while things were unfolding and I was waiting to talk. But, with this current agreement, I would say lets not compromise the event and enjoy the discussions and efforts put up by the organizers and take the best we can from IGF and our time in João Pessoa. Even the question whether IGF shall be a place to allow demonstrations could be channeled to panel discussions an issue on the table for those focused on the WSIS+10 review and renew of IGF mandate. It is not the first time, neither will be the last, that local civil of the host country have something to question through demonstrations. Though I have no clue if changing this UN prerogative is possible for such a particular context/event as the IGF (or how it would make it more complicated for some countries to put themselves as hosts and if it is good or bad). How was WSIS in the early times? Thanks c.a. and CGI.br for all the efforts to quickly solve this sad misunderstanding. Best Joana On 11 Nov 2015 01:37, Carlos Afonso wrote: Renata, totally agree, and I tried to convince the chief rep of the UN here of this overreaction, in view of the fact that there is a video clearly showing there was no aggression. But, as he said from the heights of his authority, rules are rules and they were "reincident" after being alerted in their first protest. [] fraterno --c.a. On 10-11-15 22:32, Renata Aquino Ribeiro wrote: > Hi all > > Protesting with signs may be against UN rules but why go to the > extreme of banning the protesters? > As you can see on 1:45 on the video referenced. the signs of the > silent protest were taken away, the protesters sat down and still were > asked to leave and had their badges taken away. There are also > accounts that their cell phones were asked by the security. > As in the 1st person account published by Gustavo Gindre, there is > still a concern that they may be prevented in entering in future UN > events as well. > > All seems even more bizarre as a Facebook sponsored cocktail goes on > tonight as the "after-party" of this event in a mile or so away from > the convention centre. > > It just seems quite unfortunate that there's a climate of fear rather > than freedom of expression. > > []s > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:57 PM, ahmed eisa sudan > wrote: >> >> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V9cxyHqrl2k >> >> Ahmed Mahmoud Mohamed Eisa >> +249123031155 Sudani >> >> +249912331155 Zain >> >> +249999331155 MTN >> KHARTOUM alamaraat P.O.BOX 15021 >> >> post code 12217 >> >> >> http://www.gedaref.com/ >> >> >> Gedaref digital city organization (GDCO) is a nongovernmental and nonprofit >> organization (Gedaref Sudan), it is part of the Telecentres movement where >> ICT is used for community development. GDCO is the winner of information >> for development award (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the inclusion of the >> disabled, GDCO is the winner of i4d 2008 awards for the best innovations >> at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 for the >> initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture project and >> other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award 2011. it is the >> winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community development in >> Sudan. The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 Philippines .. it the >> founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and middle east and the >> thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) Netherlands (the >> founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) donated 750 >> computers and more than ten projects were established using ICT for >> community development and one of them is e-agriculture. GDCO & SPEG >> (foundation of eindhoven volunteers for gedaref projects) started new >> partnership for community development including people with disability >> (especially deaf), gedaref university, (faculty of medicine) e-agriculture, >> SeVO and other project >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:13 PM, parminder >> wrote: >>> >>> Congrats Joana, it was the most substantial and evocative speech I have >>> heard at the IGF in a long time (if ever)! >>> >>> It was both precisely to the point, and carried the right emotion and >>> evocation. And so brave of you to have raised the issue of removal of the CS >>> protesters... Bravo!! >>> >>> parminder >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Ahmed Mahmoud Mohamed Eisa >> +249123031155 Sudani >> >> +249912331155 Zain >> >> +249999331155 MTN >> KHARTOUM alamaraat P.O.BOX 15021 >> >> post code 12217 >> >> >> http://www.gedaref.com/ >> >> >> Gedaref digital city organization (GDCO) is a nongovernmental and nonprofit >> organization (Gedaref Sudan), it is part of the Telecentres movement where >> ICT is used for community development. GDCO is the winner of information >> for development award (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the inclusion of the >> disabled, GDCO is the winner of i4d 2008 awards for the best innovations >> at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 for the >> initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture project and >> other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award 2011. it is the >> winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community development in >> Sudan. The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 Philippines .. it the >> founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and middle east and the >> thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) Netherlands (the >> founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) donated 750 >> computers and more than ten projects were established using ICT for >> community development and one of them is e-agriculture. GDCO & SPEG >> (foundation of eindhoven volunteers for gedaref projects) started new >> partnership for community development including people with disability >> (especially deaf), gedaref university, (faculty of medicine) e-agriculture, >> SeVO and other project >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- Carlos A. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr Tue Nov 17 13:15:29 2015 From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:15:29 +0100 (CET) Subject: [governance] Joana's speech Message-ID: <1490295528.25465.1447784129790.JavaMail.www@wwinf1m14> Thanks and congratulations to Joana for her speech and her (soft but expressive) protest regarding UN police intervention.   Joana asked the question :   I would remind the WSIS Geneva Summit in December 2003 when Swiss police brutally repressed the protesting NGOs in the city. These NGOs were forbidden to access the UN/Palexpo "official area" because the ITU, the organizing UN Agency of this Summit, considered some of them as illegal and therefore didn't accredit them. A very quetionable attitude. Among these NGO was Reporters without Borders, as you may know a highly criminal organsisation !!!     The CS in a special Plenary session firmly protested through a written communiqué against such an inadmissible situation. However, CS was far from beng unanimous about the wording of the communiqué .... It was finallly adopted by a relative majority. There was a strong minority (I's among them) for proposing to meet and discuss with "extenal protesters" but this proposal was finally rejected. These were turbulent times in the CS WSIS activities ...   It is worth recalling that even the PrepCom president, Adama Samasékou, was opposed to accept "loud protesting NGOs" in the WSIS process, arguing that WSIS isn't a place for them. Instead, only moderate/wise (restrained?) NGOs have their place there. Of course this also was the opinion/position of the WSIS Secretariate.   Best regards   Jean-Louis Fullsack       > Message du 17/11/15 17:29 > De : joana at varonferraz.com > A : "Carlos A. Afonso" , governance at lists.igcaucus.org > Copie à : "" , "Renata Aquino Ribeiro" > Objet : Re: [governance] Joana's speech > > Dear all, Thanks a lot for the support. It was a pleasure to bring some points of concern for us to think in the way to come. I'm just correcting typos but will publish the speech asap. Regarding the protest issue, an update, so it does not escalate and compromise the activities to come: As mentioned by c.a., him and other representatives from civil society at CGI.br presented the aspects of overreaction of UN officials + the fact that people were not aware of UN rules and, as a result of some negotiations, credentials will be given back after a "good will" session. So this particular issue will gladly be solved. Though I'm happy that CGI and Br gov took the initiative to organize IGF here, I felt the (uncomfortable) urge to mentioned the episode in my speech as I was receiving worrying msgs from br cs colleagues while things were unfolding and I was waiting to talk. But, with this current agreement, I would say lets not compromise the event and enjoy the discussions and efforts put up by the organizers and take the best we can from IGF and our time in João Pessoa. Even the question whether IGF shall be a place to allow demonstrations could be channeled to panel discussions an issue on the table for those focused on the WSIS+10 review and renew of IGF mandate. It is not the first time, neither will be the last, that local civil of the host country have something to question through demonstrations. Though I have no clue if changing this UN prerogative is possible for such a particular context/event as the IGF (or how it would make it more complicated for some countries to put themselves as hosts and if it is good or bad). How was WSIS in the early times? Thanks c.a. and CGI.br for all the efforts to quickly solve this sad misunderstanding. Best Joana On 11 Nov 2015 01:37, Carlos Afonso wrote: Renata, totally agree, and I tried to convince the chief rep of the UN > here of this overreaction, in view of the fact that there is a video > clearly showing there was no aggression. > > But, as he said from the heights of his authority, rules are rules and > they were "reincident" after being alerted in their first protest. > > [] fraterno > > --c.a. > > On 10-11-15 22:32, Renata Aquino Ribeiro wrote: > > Hi all > > > > Protesting with signs may be against UN rules but why go to the > > extreme of banning the protesters? > > As you can see on 1:45 on the video referenced. the signs of the > > silent protest were taken away, the protesters sat down and still were > > asked to leave and had their badges taken away. There are also > > accounts that their cell phones were asked by the security. > > As in the 1st person account published by Gustavo Gindre, there is > > still a concern that they may be prevented in entering in future UN > > events as well. > > > > All seems even more bizarre as a Facebook sponsored cocktail goes on > > tonight as the "after-party" of this event in a mile or so away from > > the convention centre. > > > > It just seems quite unfortunate that there's a climate of fear rather > > than freedom of expression. > > > > []s > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:57 PM, ahmed eisa sudan > > wrote: > >> > >> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V9cxyHqrl2k > >> > >> Ahmed Mahmoud Mohamed Eisa > >> +249123031155 Sudani > >> > >> +249912331155 Zain > >> > >> +249999331155  MTN > >> KHARTOUM alamaraat P.O.BOX 15021 > >> > >> post code 12217 > >> > >> > >>  http://www.gedaref.com/ > >> > >> > >> Gedaref digital city organization (GDCO) is a nongovernmental and nonprofit > >> organization (Gedaref Sudan), it is part of the Telecentres movement where > >> ICT is used for community development.  GDCO is the winner of information > >> for development award  (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the inclusion of the > >> disabled, GDCO is the  winner of i4d 2008 awards for the best innovations > >> at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 for the > >> initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture project and > >> other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award 2011. it is the > >> winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community development in > >> Sudan.  The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 Philippines .. it the > >> founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and middle east and the > >> thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) Netherlands (the > >> founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) donated 750 > >> computers and more than ten projects were established using ICT for > >> community development and one of them is e-agriculture. GDCO & SPEG > >> (foundation of eindhoven volunteers for gedaref projects) started new > >> partnership for community development including people with disability > >> (especially deaf), gedaref university, (faculty of medicine) e-agriculture, > >> SeVO and other project > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:13 PM, parminder > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Congrats Joana, it was the most substantial and evocative speech I have > >>> heard at the IGF in a long time (if ever)! > >>> > >>> It was both precisely to the point, and carried the right emotion and > >>> evocation. And so brave of you to have raised the issue of removal of the CS > >>> protesters... Bravo!! > >>> > >>> parminder > >>> > >>> ____________________________________________________________ > >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >>>      governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >>> To be removed from the list, visit: > >>>      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >>> > >>> For all other list information and functions, see: > >>>      http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >>>      http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >>> > >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Ahmed Mahmoud Mohamed Eisa > >> +249123031155 Sudani > >> > >> +249912331155 Zain > >> > >> +249999331155  MTN > >> KHARTOUM alamaraat P.O.BOX 15021 > >> > >> post code 12217 > >> > >> > >>  http://www.gedaref.com/ > >> > >> > >> Gedaref digital city organization (GDCO) is a nongovernmental and nonprofit > >> organization (Gedaref Sudan), it is part of the Telecentres movement where > >> ICT is used for community development.  GDCO is the winner of information > >> for development award  (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the inclusion of the > >> disabled, GDCO is the  winner of i4d 2008 awards for the best innovations > >> at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 for the > >> initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture project and > >> other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award 2011. it is the > >> winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community development in > >> Sudan.  The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 Philippines .. it the > >> founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and middle east and the > >> thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) Netherlands (the > >> founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) donated 750 > >> computers and more than ten projects were established using ICT for > >> community development and one of them is e-agriculture. GDCO & SPEG > >> (foundation of eindhoven volunteers for gedaref projects) started new > >> partnership for community development including people with disability > >> (especially deaf), gedaref university, (faculty of medicine) e-agriculture, > >> SeVO and other project > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >>      governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >>      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >>      http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >>      http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >      governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > >      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > >      http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >      http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > -- > Carlos A. Afonso > Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br > CGI.br - http://cgi.br > > GPG 0x9EE8F8E3 > Fingerprint EB2C 8F4B 1C68 8BB7 B6EC 9413 1FE5 1BB0 9EE8 F8E3 > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >      governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >      http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >      http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:      governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit:      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:      http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:      http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr Tue Nov 17 13:18:32 2015 From: jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr (jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:18:32 +0100 (CET) Subject: [governance] Joana's speech Message-ID: <139474180.25566.1447784312184.JavaMail.www@wwinf1m14> Sorry for this second posting due to a missed sentence       Thanks and congratulations to Joana for her speech and her (soft but expressive) protest regarding UN police intervention.   Joana asked the question : How was WSIS in the early times?   I would remind the WSIS Geneva Summit in December 2003 when Swiss police brutally repressed the protesting NGOs in the city. These NGOs were forbidden to access the UN/Palexpo "official area" because the ITU, the organizing UN Agency of this Summit, considered some of them as illegal and therefore didn't accredit them. A very quetionable attitude. Among these NGO was Reporters without Borders, as you may know a highly criminal organsisation !!!     The CS in a special Plenary session firmly protested through a written communiqué against such an inadmissible situation. However, CS was far from beng unanimous about the wording of the communiqué .... It was finallly adopted by a relative majority. There was a strong minority (I's among them) for proposing to meet and discuss with "extenal protesters" but this proposal was finally rejected. These were turbulent times in the CS WSIS activities ...   It is worth recalling that even the PrepCom president, Adama Samasékou, was opposed to accept "loud protesting NGOs" in the WSIS process, arguing that WSIS isn't a place for them. Instead, only moderate/wise (restrained?) NGOs have their place there. Of course this also was the opinion/position of the WSIS Secretariate.   Best regards   Jean-Louis Fullsack       > Message du 17/11/15 17:29 > De : joana at varonferraz.com > A : "Carlos A. Afonso" , governance at lists.igcaucus.org > Copie à : "" , "Renata Aquino Ribeiro" > Objet : Re: [governance] Joana's speech > > Dear all, Thanks a lot for the support. It was a pleasure to bring some points of concern for us to think in the way to come. I'm just correcting typos but will publish the speech asap. Regarding the protest issue, an update, so it does not escalate and compromise the activities to come: As mentioned by c.a., him and other representatives from civil society at CGI.br presented the aspects of overreaction of UN officials + the fact that people were not aware of UN rules and, as a result of some negotiations, credentials will be given back after a "good will" session. So this particular issue will gladly be solved. Though I'm happy that CGI and Br gov took the initiative to organize IGF here, I felt the (uncomfortable) urge to mentioned the episode in my speech as I was receiving worrying msgs from br cs colleagues while things were unfolding and I was waiting to talk. But, with this current agreement, I would say lets not compromise the event and enjoy the discussions and efforts put up by the organizers and take the best we can from IGF and our time in João Pessoa. Even the question whether IGF shall be a place to allow demonstrations could be channeled to panel discussions an issue on the table for those focused on the WSIS+10 review and renew of IGF mandate. It is not the first time, neither will be the last, that local civil of the host country have something to question through demonstrations. Though I have no clue if changing this UN prerogative is possible for such a particular context/event as the IGF (or how it would make it more complicated for some countries to put themselves as hosts and if it is good or bad). How was WSIS in the early times? Thanks c.a. and CGI.br for all the efforts to quickly solve this sad misunderstanding. Best Joana On 11 Nov 2015 01:37, Carlos Afonso wrote: Renata, totally agree, and I tried to convince the chief rep of the UN > here of this overreaction, in view of the fact that there is a video > clearly showing there was no aggression. > > But, as he said from the heights of his authority, rules are rules and > they were "reincident" after being alerted in their first protest. > > [] fraterno > > --c.a. > > On 10-11-15 22:32, Renata Aquino Ribeiro wrote: > > Hi all > > > > Protesting with signs may be against UN rules but why go to the > > extreme of banning the protesters? > > As you can see on 1:45 on the video referenced. the signs of the > > silent protest were taken away, the protesters sat down and still were > > asked to leave and had their badges taken away. There are also > > accounts that their cell phones were asked by the security. > > As in the 1st person account published by Gustavo Gindre, there is > > still a concern that they may be prevented in entering in future UN > > events as well. > > > > All seems even more bizarre as a Facebook sponsored cocktail goes on > > tonight as the "after-party" of this event in a mile or so away from > > the convention centre. > > > > It just seems quite unfortunate that there's a climate of fear rather > > than freedom of expression. > > > > []s > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:57 PM, ahmed eisa sudan > > wrote: > >> > >> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V9cxyHqrl2k > >> > >> Ahmed Mahmoud Mohamed Eisa > >> +249123031155 Sudani > >> > >> +249912331155 Zain > >> > >> +249999331155  MTN > >> KHARTOUM alamaraat P.O.BOX 15021 > >> > >> post code 12217 > >> > >> > >>  http://www.gedaref.com/ > >> > >> > >> Gedaref digital city organization (GDCO) is a nongovernmental and nonprofit > >> organization (Gedaref Sudan), it is part of the Telecentres movement where > >> ICT is used for community development.  GDCO is the winner of information > >> for development award  (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the inclusion of the > >> disabled, GDCO is the  winner of i4d 2008 awards for the best innovations > >> at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 for the > >> initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture project and > >> other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award 2011. it is the > >> winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community development in > >> Sudan.  The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 Philippines .. it the > >> founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and middle east and the > >> thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) Netherlands (the > >> founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) donated 750 > >> computers and more than ten projects were established using ICT for > >> community development and one of them is e-agriculture. GDCO & SPEG > >> (foundation of eindhoven volunteers for gedaref projects) started new > >> partnership for community development including people with disability > >> (especially deaf), gedaref university, (faculty of medicine) e-agriculture, > >> SeVO and other project > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:13 PM, parminder > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Congrats Joana, it was the most substantial and evocative speech I have > >>> heard at the IGF in a long time (if ever)! > >>> > >>> It was both precisely to the point, and carried the right emotion and > >>> evocation. And so brave of you to have raised the issue of removal of the CS > >>> protesters... Bravo!! > >>> > >>> parminder > >>> > >>> ____________________________________________________________ > >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >>>      governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >>> To be removed from the list, visit: > >>>      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >>> > >>> For all other list information and functions, see: > >>>      http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >>>      http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >>> > >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Ahmed Mahmoud Mohamed Eisa > >> +249123031155 Sudani > >> > >> +249912331155 Zain > >> > >> +249999331155  MTN > >> KHARTOUM alamaraat P.O.BOX 15021 > >> > >> post code 12217 > >> > >> > >>  http://www.gedaref.com/ > >> > >> > >> Gedaref digital city organization (GDCO) is a nongovernmental and nonprofit > >> organization (Gedaref Sudan), it is part of the Telecentres movement where > >> ICT is used for community development.  GDCO is the winner of information > >> for development award  (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the inclusion of the > >> disabled, GDCO is the  winner of i4d 2008 awards for the best innovations > >> at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 for the > >> initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture project and > >> other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award 2011. it is the > >> winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community development in > >> Sudan.  The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 Philippines .. it the > >> founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and middle east and the > >> thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) Netherlands (the > >> founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) donated 750 > >> computers and more than ten projects were established using ICT for > >> community development and one of them is e-agriculture. GDCO & SPEG > >> (foundation of eindhoven volunteers for gedaref projects) started new > >> partnership for community development including people with disability > >> (especially deaf), gedaref university, (faculty of medicine) e-agriculture, > >> SeVO and other project > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >>      governance at lists.igcaucus.org > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > >>      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > >> > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > >>      http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >>      http://www.igcaucus.org/ > >> > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > >> > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > >      governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > >      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > >      http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > >      http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > -- > Carlos A. Afonso > Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br > CGI.br - http://cgi.br > > GPG 0x9EE8F8E3 > Fingerprint EB2C 8F4B 1C68 8BB7 B6EC 9413 1FE5 1BB0 9EE8 F8E3 > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >      governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: >      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: >      http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >      http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list:      governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit:      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see:      http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:      http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Tue Nov 17 13:56:58 2015 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 20:56:58 +0200 Subject: [governance] Joana's speech In-Reply-To: <139474180.25566.1447784312184.JavaMail.www@wwinf1m14> References: <139474180.25566.1447784312184.JavaMail.www@wwinf1m14> Message-ID: <564B787A.1000104@apc.org> There was also Human Rights in China and NGO that was not given accreditation based on intervention from the government of China. Anriette On 17/11/2015 20:18, jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr wrote: > Sorry for this second posting due to a missed sentence > > > > > > > > Thanks and congratulations to Joana for her speech and her (soft but > expressive) protest regarding UN police intervention. > > > > Joana asked the question : *How was WSIS in the early times?* > > > > I would remind the WSIS Geneva Summit in December 2003 when Swiss police > brutally repressed the protesting NGOs in the city. These NGOs were > forbidden to access the UN/Palexpo "official area" because the ITU, the > organizing UN Agency of this Summit, considered some of them as illegal > and therefore didn't accredit them. A very quetionable attitude. Among > these NGO was Reporters without Borders, as you may know a highly > criminal organsisation !!! > > > > The CS in a special Plenary session firmly protested through a written > communiqué against such an inadmissible situation. However, CS was far > from beng unanimous about the wording of the communiqué .... It was > finallly adopted by a relative majority. There was a strong minority > (I's among them) for proposing to meet and discuss with "extenal > protesters" but this proposal was finally rejected. These were turbulent > times in the CS WSIS activities ... > > > > It is worth recalling that even the PrepCom president, Adama Samasékou, > was opposed to accept "loud protesting NGOs" in the WSIS process, > arguing that WSIS isn't a place for them. Instead, only moderate/wise > (restrained?) NGOs have their place there. Of course this also was the > opinion/position of the WSIS Secretariate. > > > > Best regards > > > > Jean-Louis Fullsack > > > > > > > Message du 17/11/15 17:29 > > De : joana at varonferraz.com > > A : "Carlos A. Afonso" , governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > Copie à : "" > , "Renata Aquino Ribeiro" > > > Objet : Re: [governance] Joana's speech > > > > > > Dear all, > > Thanks a lot for the support. It was a pleasure to bring some points > of concern for us to think in the way to come. I'm just correcting > typos but will publish the speech asap. > > Regarding the protest issue, an update, so it does not escalate and > compromise the activities to come: > > As mentioned by c.a., him and other representatives from civil > society at CGI.br presented the aspects of overreaction of UN > officials + the fact that people were not aware of UN rules and, as > a result of some negotiations, credentials will be given back after > a "good will" session. So this particular issue will gladly be solved. > > Though I'm happy that CGI and Br gov took the initiative to organize > IGF here, I felt the (uncomfortable) urge to mentioned the episode > in my speech as I was receiving worrying msgs from br cs colleagues > while things were unfolding and I was waiting to talk. But, with > this current agreement, I would say lets not compromise the event > and enjoy the discussions and efforts put up by the organizers and > take the best we can from IGF and our time in João Pessoa. > > Even the question whether IGF shall be a place to allow > demonstrations could be channeled to panel discussions an issue on > the table for those focused on the WSIS+10 review and renew of IGF > mandate. It is not the first time, neither will be the last, that > local civil of the host country have something to question through > demonstrations. Though I have no clue if changing this UN > prerogative is possible for such a particular context/event as the > IGF (or how it would make it more complicated for some countries to > put themselves as hosts and if it is good or bad). How was WSIS in > the early times? > > Thanks c.a. and CGI.br for all the efforts to quickly solve this sad > misunderstanding. > > Best > > Joana > > On 11 Nov 2015 01:37, Carlos Afonso wrote: > > Renata, totally agree, and I tried to convince the chief rep of > the UN > > here of this overreaction, in view of the fact that there is a > video > > clearly showing there was no aggression. > > > > But, as he said from the heights of his authority, rules are > rules and > > they were "reincident" after being alerted in their first protest. > > > > [] fraterno > > > > --c.a. > > > > On 10-11-15 22:32, Renata Aquino Ribeiro wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > > > Protesting with signs may be against UN rules but why go to the > > > extreme of banning the protesters? > > > As you can see on 1:45 on the video referenced. the signs of the > > > silent protest were taken away, the protesters sat down and > still were > > > asked to leave and had their badges taken away. There are also > > > accounts that their cell phones were asked by the security. > > > As in the 1st person account published by Gustavo Gindre, > there is > > > still a concern that they may be prevented in entering in > future UN > > > events as well. > > > > > > All seems even more bizarre as a Facebook sponsored cocktail > goes on > > > tonight as the "after-party" of this event in a mile or so > away from > > > the convention centre. > > > > > > It just seems quite unfortunate that there's a climate of > fear rather > > > than freedom of expression. > > > > > > []s > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:57 PM, ahmed eisa sudan > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V9cxyHqrl2k > > >> > > >> Ahmed Mahmoud Mohamed Eisa > > >> +249123031155 Sudani > > >> > > >> +249912331155 Zain > > >> > > >> +249999331155 MTN > > >> KHARTOUM alamaraat P.O.BOX 15021 > > >> > > >> post code 12217 > > >> > > >> > > >> http://www.gedaref.com/ > > >> > > >> > > >> Gedaref digital city organization (GDCO) is a > nongovernmental and nonprofit > > >> organization (Gedaref Sudan), it is part of the Telecentres > movement where > > >> ICT is used for community development. GDCO is the winner > of information > > >> for development award (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the > inclusion of the > > >> disabled, GDCO is the winner of i4d 2008 awards for the > best innovations > > >> at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 > for the > > >> initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture > project and > > >> other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award > 2011. it is the > > >> winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community > development in > > >> Sudan. The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 > Philippines .. it the > > >> founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and > middle east and the > > >> thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) > Netherlands (the > > >> founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) > donated 750 > > >> computers and more than ten projects were established using > ICT for > > >> community development and one of them is e-agriculture. > GDCO & SPEG > > >> (foundation of eindhoven volunteers for gedaref projects) > started new > > >> partnership for community development including people with > disability > > >> (especially deaf), gedaref university, (faculty of > medicine) e-agriculture, > > >> SeVO and other project > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:13 PM, parminder > > > >> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Congrats Joana, it was the most substantial and evocative > speech I have > > >>> heard at the IGF in a long time (if ever)! > > >>> > > >>> It was both precisely to the point, and carried the right > emotion and > > >>> evocation. And so brave of you to have raised the issue of > removal of the CS > > >>> protesters... Bravo!! > > >>> > > >>> parminder > > >>> > > >>> ____________________________________________________________ > > >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > >>> To be removed from the list, visit: > > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > >>> > > >>> For all other list information and functions, see: > > >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > >>> > > >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> Ahmed Mahmoud Mohamed Eisa > > >> +249123031155 Sudani > > >> > > >> +249912331155 Zain > > >> > > >> +249999331155 MTN > > >> KHARTOUM alamaraat P.O.BOX 15021 > > >> > > >> post code 12217 > > >> > > >> > > >> http://www.gedaref.com/ > > >> > > >> > > >> Gedaref digital city organization (GDCO) is a > nongovernmental and nonprofit > > >> organization (Gedaref Sudan), it is part of the Telecentres > movement where > > >> ICT is used for community development. GDCO is the winner > of information > > >> for development award (i4d 2007 awards e-India) for the > inclusion of the > > >> disabled, GDCO is the winner of i4d 2008 awards for the > best innovations > > >> at the grassroots Telecentres and the winner of i4d 2009 > for the > > >> initiatives of civil society for development (e-agriculture > project and > > >> other e-services).. ..it is the winner of eWorld award > 2011. it is the > > >> winner of best innovative NGO working on ICT for community > development in > > >> Sudan. The winner of best album in Telecentre 2011 > Philippines .. it the > > >> founder of the first Telecentre academy in Africa and > middle east and the > > >> thirteen in world ..The Digital City of Eindhoven (DSE) > Netherlands (the > > >> founder and well-known partner of GDCO in Netherlands) > donated 750 > > >> computers and more than ten projects were established using > ICT for > > >> community development and one of them is e-agriculture. > GDCO & SPEG > > >> (foundation of eindhoven volunteers for gedaref projects) > started new > > >> partnership for community development including people with > disability > > >> (especially deaf), gedaref university, (faculty of > medicine) e-agriculture, > > >> SeVO and other project > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ____________________________________________________________ > > >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > >> To be removed from the list, visit: > > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > >> > > >> For all other list information and functions, see: > > >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > >> > > >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > -- > > Carlos A. Afonso > > Instituto Nupef - https://nupef.org.br > > CGI.br - http://cgi.br > > > > GPG 0x9EE8F8E3 > > Fingerprint EB2C 8F4B 1C68 8BB7 B6EC 9413 1FE5 1BB0 9EE8 F8E3 > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > To be removed from the list, visit: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > > > For all other list information and functions, see: > > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > -- ----------------------------------------- Anriette Esterhuysen Executive Director Association for Progressive Communications anriette at apc.org www.apc.org IM: ae_apc -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Tue Nov 17 21:34:26 2015 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 08:04:26 +0530 Subject: [governance] "How putin tried to control the Internet" - an extract from a book Message-ID: <3D272FE7-C478-46DB-8012-42991CC150EB@hserus.net> The extract mentions you, George :) http://www.eurasiareview.com/17112015-how-putin-tried-to-control-the-internet-oped/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ian Peter From: Ian Peter Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 7:43 PM To: OPGA President Cc: co-facilitators of WSIS+10 process Subject: Civil Society in WSIS+10 Review and future WSIS-related activities TO: H.E. Mogens Lykketoft, President of the UN General Assembly (copied to co-facilitators of the WSIS+10 process) Subject: Civil Society in WSIS+10 Review and future WSIS-related activities Dear Sir, We are writing to you as the civil society representatives on the committee established by UNDESA to choose speakers for the High-level Meeting on the overall review of the implementation of the outcomes of the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS). By now your office will have received from UNDESA our choice of five speakers. This is to convey the rationale upon which our choice of speakers was based, and underscore the overarching principles we believe are critical in the final selection of civil society speakers. As you will be aware, the General Assembly resolution convening the HLM (A/RES/68/302) specified that "the President of the General Assembly, in consultation with Member States, will invite, in addition to all Member and observer States and observers, representatives of all relevant stakeholders of the World Summit on the Information Society to speak during the high-level meeting, and in this regard also encourages the participation of those stakeholders in the meeting". You will see from the names submitted that we have been careful to ensure gender and geographic balance. But of equal importance to us is to ensure that our representation provides a good balance of the varied perspectives and viewpoints that exist within civil society. Like governments, civil society has large groupings espousing different political viewpoints. We also come from large networks and coalitions focussing on specific issues. We have worked hard in coming up with names that represent these diverse viewpoints and perspectives. That delicate balance can be easily upset, hence our desire to be specific as regards our speaker representation. It also cannot be maintained if the number of speakers is too small. Thus, we count on your good offices to ensure that adequate number of speakers from civil society are given the chance to present their view points to the HLM. Another matter that concerns us is that, while we are used to working collaboratively, and did so in choosing the five speaker names forwarded to you, we need to ensure that civil society and the academic and technical communities are all represented. Our selection of five speakers takes this imperative into account. However, we believe that in future they should be acknowledged as separate entities, each of which must have separate representation and be allowed to use its own selection processes (just as the private sector must ). We will be pleased to work with you in the future to enable this basic principle to be embedded in ongoing deliberations and to further improve processes. We thank you for your efforts, and those of UNDESA in this instance, towards ensuring that all stakeholder groups have the primary say in selection of their representatives, and trust that as a result the WSIS+10 High Level Meeting is a huge success. Sincerely, Ian Peter, on behalf of the civil society members of the Speaker Selection Committee, i.e. Analia Apsis, University of Buenos Aires. Internet Governance Caucus, Argentina, Anita Gurumurthy, IT for Change, India, Michael Gurstein, Just Net Coalition, Canada, Richard Hill, Association for Proper Internet Governance, Switzerland, Lea Kaspar, Global Partners Digital, UK, Remmy Nweke, DigitalSENSE Africa Media, Nigeria, Ian Peter, Internet Governance Civil Society Coordination Group, Australia, Reza Salim, Bangladesh Friendship Education Society, Bangladesh, Baudouin Schombe, Centre Africain D’Echange Culturel, DR Congo. This letter is also endorsed by the Internet Governance Civil Society Co-ordination Group, (CSCG) a “coalition of coalitions” working on internet governance issues. The CSCG exists solely as a conduit for selection of civil society representatives to outside organisations: member coalitions are Association for Progressive Communications, Best Bits coalition, Internet Governance Caucus, Just Net Coalition, and Non Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN. Together these organisations reach thousands of individuals and many hundreds of organisations active on internet and internet governance related issues. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ CS-coord mailing list CS-coord at internetgov-cs.org http://internetgov-cs.org/mailman/listinfo/cs-coord -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From iza at anr.org Wed Nov 18 20:33:04 2015 From: iza at anr.org (Izumi AIZU) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 10:33:04 +0900 Subject: [governance] Congratulations Carlos Afonso - here are the video clips Message-ID: Dear all, As you may already know, our friend Carlos Afonso was awarded the 2-15 Betinho Prize from APC. https://www.apc.org/en/node/21309/ Here are the video clips including the words from Carlos and also from his son. This includes Carlos's short speech. https://youtu.be/kgVk0Wbxu1E ​And this includes his son's remarks.​ https://youtu.be/dRRrdL0av84 Congratulations to Carlos and your family!! Thank you APC! And ​Please enjoy, please share. izumi​ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From willi.uebelherr at riseup.net Thu Nov 19 10:01:43 2015 From: willi.uebelherr at riseup.net (willi uebelherr) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 10:31:43 -0430 Subject: [governance] "How putin tried to control the Internet" - an extract from a book In-Reply-To: <3D272FE7-C478-46DB-8012-42991CC150EB@hserus.net> References: <3D272FE7-C478-46DB-8012-42991CC150EB@hserus.net> Message-ID: <564DE457.8070702@riseup.net> Dear Suresh, i do not understand, why you distributed this stupid propaganda on the governance list. Some clear postions of Sen. Vladimir Putin are described, because the authors do not understand the contents. The future of our global telecommunication system is the decentralisation and regional self organizing. And therefore we start to discuss our technical principles to do that. And in this space, the people in Russia are independent cooperators, of course. If the people in Europe and North America are blocked in his thinking, then that is her problem. Not ours. many greetings, willi Coro, Venezuela Am 17/11/2015 um 10:04 p.m. schrieb Suresh Ramasubramanian: > The extract mentions you, George :) > > http://www.eurasiareview.com/17112015-how-putin-tried-to-control-the-internet-oped/ > ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Thu Nov 19 10:01:10 2015 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 20:31:10 +0530 Subject: [governance] "How putin tried to control the Internet" - an extract from a book In-Reply-To: <564DE457.8070702@riseup.net> References: <3D272FE7-C478-46DB-8012-42991CC150EB@hserus.net> <564DE457.8070702@riseup.net> Message-ID: If it is propaganda it needs to be countered. But before it can be countered the list must be aware of it, especially any list member who is specifically mentioned in the propaganda must be aware of it. And if by some chance it is not propaganda but a honest effort by two russian authors it needs to be discussed. > On 19-Nov-2015, at 8:31 PM, willi uebelherr wrote: > > Dear Suresh, > > i do not understand, why you distributed this stupid propaganda on the governance list. Some clear postions of Sen. Vladimir Putin are described, because the authors do not understand the contents. > > The future of our global telecommunication system is the decentralisation and regional self organizing. And therefore we start to discuss our technical principles to do that. And in this space, the people in Russia are independent cooperators, of course. > > If the people in Europe and North America are blocked in his thinking, then that is her problem. Not ours. > > many greetings, willi > Coro, Venezuela > > > Am 17/11/2015 um 10:04 p.m. schrieb Suresh Ramasubramanian: >> The extract mentions you, George :) >> >> http://www.eurasiareview.com/17112015-how-putin-tried-to-control-the-internet-oped/ >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From willi.uebelherr at riseup.net Thu Nov 19 10:27:51 2015 From: willi.uebelherr at riseup.net (willi uebelherr) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 10:57:51 -0430 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] "How putin tried to control the Internet" - an extract from a book In-Reply-To: References: <3D272FE7-C478-46DB-8012-42991CC150EB@hserus.net> <564DE457.8070702@riseup.net> Message-ID: <564DEA77.4080704@riseup.net> Dear Analia and Deirdre, i do not see any form of personal attack in my answer. And Suresh answer very sovereign. And what he wrote, it is correct. Your answer i do not understand. Is that directed to the authors of this text? Or to the creaters and organizers of this mafia styled control of the "internet"? Then, ask Louis Pouzin, what he think about. Or any other person with a detailed insight to the construction of the "internet". Yes, i hope, like Suresh proposed, we can start a deeper discussion. Independent for me, whether this text is helpful to find the truth. many greetings, willi Coro, Venezuela Am 19/11/2015 um 10:36 a.m. schrieb Deirdre Williams: > Dear Willi, > The Charter of the IGC states explicitly among the posting rules: refrain > from personal attacks, insults or slander. > This is a warning that this behaviour will not be tolerated. > Deirdre and Analia > > On 19 November 2015 at 11:01, willi uebelherr > wrote: > >> Dear Suresh, >> >> i do not understand, why you distributed this stupid propaganda on the >> governance list. Some clear postions of Sen. Vladimir Putin are described, >> because the authors do not understand the contents. >> >> The future of our global telecommunication system is the decentralisation >> and regional self organizing. And therefore we start to discuss our >> technical principles to do that. And in this space, the people in Russia >> are independent cooperators, of course. >> >> If the people in Europe and North America are blocked in his thinking, >> then that is her problem. Not ours. >> >> many greetings, willi >> Coro, Venezuela >> >> >> Am 17/11/2015 um 10:04 p.m. schrieb Suresh Ramasubramanian: >> >>> The extract mentions you, George :) >>> >>> >>> http://www.eurasiareview.com/17112015-how-putin-tried-to-control-the-internet-oped/ >>> < >>> http://www.eurasiareview.com/17112015-how-putin-tried-to-control-the-internet-oped/ >>>> >>> >>> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. >> To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: >> http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From ian.peter at ianpeter.com Fri Nov 20 03:43:08 2015 From: ian.peter at ianpeter.com (Ian Peter) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 19:43:08 +1100 Subject: [governance] Fw: EOI for Independent Chair for the Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) Message-ID: <6E96C660CB51492A993A7AAD1E0B4ED3@Toshiba> Hi everyone, Just a reminder about this – we are looking for nominations by Sunday. And perhaps an explanation – I really believe it is time I should step down from this, because it is important that someone more intimately involved with the range of civil society activities takes over. I find more and more, because I don’t travel to a lot of northern hemisphere meetings, I am dealing with people I have not had the opportunity to meet, and I think it is better someone more active at these meetings take over. I am more than happy to undertake some role to work with or assist whoever takes over, if that would help. I am also happy to make myself available if anyone wants to talk to me about this privately. CSCG has begin to earn the trust of a number of outside bodies, not only IGF, in putting forward names of civil society speakers and representatives for various organisations and events. I think it is important that this role continue, and I ask that you give serious consideration to making sure a suitable person comes forward. Details below. Many Thanks, Ian Peter From: Deirdre Williams Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 11:47 PM To: Internet Governance Subject: [governance] EOI for Independent Chair for the Civil Society Coordination Group (CSCG) (posted as requested by Ian Peter, the current Independent Chair) EXPRESSIONS OF INTEREST AND NOMINATIONS INVITED – INDEPENDENT CHAIR FOR CIVIL SOCIETY COORDINATION GROUP (CSCG) You are invited to present nominations for an Independent Chair for CSCG, to replace Ian Peter whose term expires shortly. Ian has indicated he will not be renominating. The Independent Chair facilitates the work of CSCG in providing a consolidated nomination process for civil society representatives to outside bodies. Current members are representatives of Association for Progressive Communications, Best Bits Coalition, Internet Governance Caucus, Just Net Coalition, and Non Commercial Stakeholders Group of ICANN. Nominations are now open and will close on Sunday, November 22. The new Independent Chair will be chosen by a consensus process of the current member representatives. The successful candidate will need to have skills in facilitating and leading selection processes in a timely and efficient manner. The person will need to be able to work beyond their immediate opinions on issues to ensure that all civil society voices are heard and considered in selection processes. They will also be expected to further assist the development and consolidation of CSCG during their two year tenure. The work involves 3-4 selection processes per annum, often with very tight deadlines requiring short periods of fairly intensive work. Expressions of Interest or confirmed nominations should be forwarded to eoichair at internetgov-cs.org no later than midnight UTC, Sunday November 22. The new Independent Chair will be announced shortly thereafter. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This professional analysis could also be expanded a little more to look for and spot ideas from earlier Bills that became controversial and withdrawn (for e.g SOPA), but reworded and introduced as part of TPP. Thank you. Sivasubramanian M On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 2:30 AM, Mishi Choudhary wrote: > Here is a piece SFLC wrote on TPP Article 14.17 & Free Software: No > Harm, No Foul > > http://softwarefreedom.org/blog/2015/nov/23/TPP-Article-14/ > > -- > Warm Regards > Mishi Choudhary, Esq. > Legal Director > Software Freedom Law Center > 1995 Broadway Floor 17 > New York, NY-10023 > (tel) 212-461-1912 > (fax) 212-580-0898 > www.softwarefreedom.org > > > Executive Director > SFLC.IN > K-9, Second Floor > Jangpura Extn. > New Delhi-110014 > (tel) +91-11-43587126 > (fax) +91-11-24323530 > www.sflc.in > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From fulvio.frati at unimi.it Thu Nov 26 11:53:51 2015 From: fulvio.frati at unimi.it (Fulvio Frati) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:53:51 +0100 Subject: [governance] [SIMPDA2015] BLACK FRIDAY: Early Registration extended until 28/11/2015 Message-ID: <00cd01d1286b$0722ade0$156809a0$@unimi.it> [Apologies if you receive multiple copies of this message] **************************************************************************** **** SIMPDA 2015 FIFTH INTERNATIONAL SYMPOSIUM ON DATA-DRIVEN PROCESS DISCOVERY AND ANALYSIS 9-11 DECEMBER, 2015 - VIENNA, AUSTRIA simpda2015.di.unimi.it **************************************************************************** **** ** About SIMPDA With the increasing automation of business processes, growing amounts of process data become available. This opens new research opportunities for business process data analysis, mining and modeling. The aim of the IFIP 2.6 International Symposium on Data-Driven Process Discovery and Analysis is to offer a forum where researchers from different communities and the industry can share their insight in this hot new field. The Symposium will feature a number of keynotes illustrating advanced approaches, shorter presentations on recent research, a competitive PhD seminar and selected research and industrial demonstrations. This year the symposium will be held in Vienna, a city in the UNESCO World Heritage List. ** Call for Registration The IFIP International Symposium on Data-Driven Process Discovery and Analysis (SIMPDA 2015) offers a unique opportunity to present new approaches and research results to researchers and practitioners working in business process data modeling, representation and privacy-aware analysis. The symposium will bring together leading researchers, engineers and scientists from around the world. ** Keynote Speakers * Visual Analytics meets Process Mining: Challenges and Opportunities Theresia Gschwandtner and Silvia Miksch Vienna University of Technology Event data or traces of activities often exhibit unexpected behavior and complex relations. Thus, before and during the application of automated analysis methods, such as process mining algorithms, the analyst needs to investigate and understand the data at hand in order to decide which analysis methods might be appropriate. Visual Analytics integrates the outstanding capabilities of humans in terms of visual information exploration with the enormous processing power of computers to form a powerful knowledge discovery environment. The combination of visual data exploration with process mining algorithms makes complex information structures more comprehensible and facilitates new insights. In this talk, we will illustrate the various concepts of visual process mining, focusing on the challenges, but also the great opportunities for analyzing process data with Visual Analytics methods. * Contextualisation Techniques in Process Mining Schahram Dustdar Vienna University of Technology, Austria * Workshop Format: In accordance to our historical tradition of proposing SIMPDA as a symposium, we propose an innovative format for this workshop: The number of sessions depend on the number of submissions but, considering the previous editions, we envisage to have four sessions, with 4-5 related papers assigned to each session. A special session (with a specific review process) will be dedicated to discuss research plan from PhD students. Papers are pre-circulated to the authors that will be expected to read all papers in advance but to avoid exceptional overhead, two are assigned to be prepared with particular care, making ready comments and suggestions. The bulk of the time during each session will be dedicated to open conversations about all of the papers in a given session, along with any linkages to the papers and discussions within an earlier session. The closing session (30 minutes), will include a panel about open challenges during which every participant will be asked to assemble their thoughts/project ideas/goals/etc that they got out of the workshop. ** Call for PhD Research Plans The SIMPDA PhD Seminar is a workshop for Ph.D. students from all over the world. The goal of the Seminar is to help students with their thesis and research plans by providing feedback and general advice on how to use their research results. Students interested in participating in the Seminar should submit an extended abstract describing their research. Submissions can relate to any aspect of Process Data: technical advances, usage and impact studies, policy analyses, social and institutional implications, theoretical contributions, interaction and design advances, innovative applications, and social implications. Research plans should be at most of 5 page long and should be organized following the following structure: Abstract: summarizes, in 5 line, the research aims and significance. Research Question: defines what will be accomplished by eliciting the relevant the research questions. Background: defines the background knowledge providing the 5 most relevant references (papers or books). Significance: explains the relevance of the general topic and of the specific contribution. Research design and methods: describes and motivates the method adopted focusing on: assumptions, solutions, data sources, validation of results, limitations of the approach. Research stage: describes what the student has done so far. ** SIMPDA PhD award A doctoral award will be given by the SIMPDA PhD Jury to the best research plan submitted. Student Scholarships An application for a limited number of scholarships aimed at students coming from emerging countries has been submitted to IFIP. In order to apply, please contact paolo.ceravolo at unimi.it ** Organizers * CHAIRS - Stefanie Rinderle-Ma, Universität Wien, Austria - Paolo Ceravolo, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy * ADVISORY BOARD - Ernesto Damiani, Università degli Studi di Milano, Italy - Erich Neuhold, University of Vienna, Austria - Maurice van Keulen, University of Twente, The Netherlands - Philippe Cudré-Mauroux , University of Fribourg, Switzerland * Program Committee - MOHAMED ACHEMLAL, UNIVERSITY OF BORDEAUX, FRANCE - MARCO ANISETTI, UNIVERSITÀ DEGLI STUDI DI MILANO, ITALY - IRENE VANDERFEESTEN, EINDHOVEN UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY, THE NETHERLANDS - CLAUDIO ARDAGNA, UNIVERSITÀ DEGLI STUDI DI MILANO, ITALY - HELEN BALINSKY, HEWLETT-PACKARD LABORATORIES, UK - MIRCO BIANCO, METROCONSULT ROBERTO DINI AND PARTNERS, ITALY - JOOS BUIJS, EINDHOVEN UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY, THE NETHERLANDS - ANTONIO CAFORIO, UNIVERSITÀ DEL SALENTO, ITALY - CAROLINA CHIAO, UNIVERSITY OF ULM, GERMANY - TONY CLARK, MIDDLESEX UNIVERSITY, UK - BARABARA WEBER, UNIVERSITY OF INNSBRUCK, AUSTRIA - PAUL COTOFREI, UNIVERSITY OF NEUCHÂTEL, SWITZERLAND - PHILIPPE CUDRE-MAUROUX, UNIVERSITY OF FRIBOURG, SWITZERLAND - NORA CUPPENS, ÉCOLE NATIONALE SUPÉRIEURE DES TELECOMMUNICATIONS DE BRETAGNE, FRANCE - GIANLUCA DEMARTINI, UNIVERSITY OF SHEFFIELD, UK. - CLAUDIO DI CICCIO, WU VIENNA, AUSTRIA - SCHAHRAM DUSTDAR, VIENNA UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY, AUSTRIA - GREGOR GRAMBOW, UNIVERSITY OF ULM, GERMANY - CHRISTIAN GUETL, UNIVERSITY OF GRAZ, AUSTRIA - MOHAND-SAID HACID, UNIVERSITY OF LYON, FRANCE - VINCENT HILAIRE, UNIVERSITÉ DE TECHNOLOGIE DE BELFORT MONTBÉLIARD, FRANCE - WEI-CHIANG HONG, ORIENTAL INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, CHINA - MUSTAFA JARRAR, BIRZEIT UNIVERSITY, PALESTINE - MEIKO JENSEN, RUHR-UNI­VER­SI­TY BO­CHUM, GERMANY - MASSIMO MECELLA, SAPIENZA UNIVERSITÀ DI ROMA, ITALY - JAN MENDLING, WU VIENNA, AUSTRIA - KWANGHOON PIO KIM, KYONGGI UNIVERSITY, SOUTH KOREA. - BARBARA RUSSO, FREE UNIVERSITY OF BOZEN - BOLZANO, ITALY - GIOVANNA SISSA, UNIVERSITÀ DEGLI STUDI DI GENOVA, ITALY - MAURICE VAN KEULEN, UNIVERSITY OF TWENTE, THE NETHERLANDS - MATTHIAS WEIDLICH, IMPERIAL COLLEGE, UK - ISABELLA SEEBER, UNIVERSITY OF INNSBRUCK, AUSTRIA - ZEESHAN PERVEZ, UNIVERSITY OF THE WEST OF SCOTLAND, UK - MARCIN WYLOT, UNIVERSITY OF FRIBOURG, SWITZERLAND - JOSE JACOBO ZUBCOFF, UNIVERSIDAD DE ALICANTE, SPAIN - WILFRIED GROSSMANN, UNIVERSITY OF VIENNA, AUSTRIA - KARIMA BOUDAOUD, ECOLE POLYTECHNIQUE DE NICE SOPHIA ANTIPOLIS, FRANCE ** Historical Information on Previous Editions SIMPDA was proposed in 2011 and 2012 by IFIP WG 2.6 and 2.12/12.4 as the International Symposium on Data-Driven Process Discovery and Analysis. The symposium had around 30 attendees in 2011 and 20 in 2012. It featured a number of keynotes illustrating new approaches, shorter presentations on recent research, and a competitive PhD seminar, together with selected research and industrial demonstrations. The authors of the accepted papers have been invited to submit extended articles to a post-symposium proceedings volume published in the Springer LNBIP series. Several events and activities arose off these symposia, among the most notables we have two Dagstuhl seminars: - Dagstuhl Seminar on Semantic Challenges in Sensor Networks, January 24-29, 2010. - Dagstuhl Seminar on Unleashing Operational Process Mining, November 24-29, 2010. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From willi.uebelherr at riseup.net Thu Nov 26 15:49:28 2015 From: willi.uebelherr at riseup.net (willi uebelherr) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:19:28 -0430 Subject: [governance] The decentralization of IP addresses Message-ID: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> The decentralization of IP addresses. We need a completely self-organizing Internet. And this is possible only through massive decentralization. We can look at the difficulties at the beginning of the Internet with tolerance. They were mostly of a technical nature. But today we have other conditions. And from these other conditions arise other possibilities. It is about the IP address. It is necessary to ensure that the packets find their direct route to their targets. The router work with numbers. We humans with text. The content is the same. Only the representation is different. The Internet, a transport system for digital data in packet form, needs this destination address to forward the packets to their destinations can. The packets include this destination. With that, the packets are the instance to enable and orient the router. All transport systems operate on the basis of geographical processes. We transport from position A to position B. Consider. The transport of digital data They are comparable with boxes. In the case the data are. They do not care. Outside sticking a piece of paper with the source address, destination address and some information about the transport. These boxes are being made from the transport routes such as the cars and buses on the roads. Consider the transport of digital data. The IP packets are comparable to cases in which the data are packed. But the data do not interest us. Outside sticking a piece of paper with the source address, destination address and some information about the transport. These boxes flows over the transport routes such as the cars and buses on the roads. At the branches we have to decide how to proceed. There are the routers. They look at the paper and read the destination address. This is converted to the geographical position and compared to the geographical position of the router. The result is a directional angle and the distance. And with that each router can immediately decide in which direction it goes on. We have thus fulfilled the first requirement. The global part of the IP address is always derived from the geographical position of the local network. How we do this is an object of our global discussion and cooperation based on the RFCs (Request for Comment). A very simple way. The local part of the IP address is always self-determined in the local network. We do not need to know the schema of resolution outside of the local network. In the DNS request we also get this part. The decisive factor for this solution that we need in the future no Internet Governance. No organizations that compete for the award of rights of IP addresses. No organizations whose livelihood is based on the sale of global IP addresses. With many greetings, willi Coro, Venezuela -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From raquino at gmail.com Thu Nov 26 19:19:14 2015 From: raquino at gmail.com (Renata Aquino Ribeiro) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 21:19:14 -0300 Subject: [governance] Call for research fellows - Recife, Northeast Brazil Message-ID: Hello Although this call for research is not specific to internet governance, this is a main theme of investigation in many of the universities in the region, the same that hosted IGF2015. Do count on the Brazilian Internet School of Governance graduates Egi.br for any help w/ the Portuguese if needed --- http://ciel.network/call-for-fellows-platforms-for-the-future Call for Fellows - Platforms for the Future Por CESAR.EDU.BR em 23 de Novembro de 2015 | 15:35 CIEL.network's fellows program hopes to bring together a diverse group of people with different types of expertise and knowledge to the area of PORTO DIGITAL, in RECIFE, Brazil, one of the top brazilian metro regions and one of the country's main technology and educational hubs. We are looking for scientists, intellectuals, entrepreneurs, geeks, innovative thinkers, change makers, and creative people that want to understand what is going on at a technology network, contribute to its development, learn, teach and try to multiply their experiments with us back home. CIEL.network's fellows program aims to bring people to an established, innovative and developing environment, trying to put together both community and individual initiatives. Fellows will be expected to participate in general weekly activities, such as seminars and discussion groups and encouraged to work in their own projects in collaboration with at least two CIEL institutions and, if possible, with other fellows and members of the staff of institutions of the CIEL.network. The fellowship program ranges from a short-term option of three months to a long-term of one year and can be extended at the end of these terms depending on the results from the project the fellow is working on. In the first year we welcome TEN FELLOWS in part- or full-time activities. Prospective fellows are encouraged to think out of the box, system, theories and environments to imagine a project or set of activities to be executed during the program term. We are open to a wide range of areas, favoring cross and interdisciplinary proposals, that could possibly tackle big challenges and opportunities in domains that can be represented by questions like... How can we foster new and more effective linkages among Creativity, Innovation and Entrepreneurship, especially when Academia, Industry and Investment are involved? How can we do large scale transformations -in society, economies, systems, firms...- through innovative design techniques and methods? How can we process Complex/Large Scale Data Sets and Flows and use the results to really transform the daily life of people... and for the better? How can we design revolutionary applications in the creative economy -which are they?...- using the new digital media? How to make everything smarter (from things to cities), for people and society? How to improve the foundations of the Internet of Things and use them [together with a lot of other "things"] to create radically innovative applications? How to make robots really useful outside industrial applications and demos? At home, for example? How to make "design" (in the sense of innovation) a vector for the transformation of society? How to fill the educational gap of underprivileged populations in a scalable way, feaseble, short term way? Is it possible? At what cost? With which means? How to use digital technologies as means of expression to make a quantum leap in the educational system? How do we break the mold of the mainstream models of innovation and improve the success rate of the Clusters, Technological Parks, Local Innovation Systems, all over the world? How will we [re]build cities where life can be lived in a much more smart and sustainable way and what is the role of digital technologies in doing so? Applicants' Qualifications We decided not have a pre-defined set of requirements for applications. We want to encourage interesting people with diverse background and life paths, not necessarily from academia, to apply, without disencouraging smart, hard working PhD holders, specially young ones, to come and be with us for a period. And people in all stages of the career, from clever interns to energetic retirees are welcomed. In summary, we look for interesting people interested in being part of a developing ecosystem of innovation, the one at PORTO DIGITAL. Resources available to the fellows CIEL.network will not offer grants and subsidies for now; fellows, apart from the environment and network to work in and with, will be given a letter of acceptance from one of our institutions, and a package that includes office space and all related infrastructure, creative people to work with, great problems to solve and innovate upon. Fellows are encouraged to obtain funding through other means, outside grants, from their home institution, or other forms of scholarship. In case of accepted applicants that need a Brazilian visa, we will help the fellow to deal with the Brazilian immigration papers and processes. Application In order to apply to be a CIEL.network fellow, please send, to fabio.campos at cesar.edu.br, at least the following: An up to date Curriculum Vitae, including a list of recent results, with a one page abstract. A personal statement of your motivation to be in RECIFE and at CIEL.network. A plan of activities to conduct during the fellowship, its objectives and expected results. A plan of at least 5 seminars you will give while staying with CIEL.network and... How do you plan to disseminate what you will do while with us. Deadlines and Results We are working with the following initial deadlines... Submission: 30th January 2016 Notification of acceptance: 29th February 2016 Fellowship staring at April/Mai 2016 Submission: 30th Mai 2016 Notification of acceptance: 30th June 2016 Fellowship staring at August/September 2016 Submission: 30th September 2016 Notification of acceptance: 30th October 2016 Fellowship staring at January/February 2017 but the begin/end dates for your stay with us can be discussed at a case to case basis. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Thu Nov 26 22:05:48 2015 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:35:48 +0530 Subject: [governance] The decentralization of IP addresses In-Reply-To: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> Message-ID: <5A224282-30B5-4DB9-B676-8A489F3BDAC0@hserus.net> Please don’t confuse tcp/ip with the postal service. Thank you. > On 27-Nov-2015, at 2:19 AM, willi uebelherr wrote: > > All transport systems operate on the basis of geographical processes. We transport from position A to position B. Consider. The transport of digital data They are comparable with boxes. In the case the data are. They do not care. Outside sticking a piece of paper with the source address, destination address and some information about the transport. These boxes are being made from the transport routes such as the cars and buses on the roads. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From woody at pch.net Fri Nov 27 12:51:00 2015 From: woody at pch.net (Bill Woodcock) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 09:51:00 -0800 Subject: [governance] The decentralization of IP addresses In-Reply-To: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> Message-ID: > On Nov 26, 2015, at 12:49 PM, willi uebelherr wrote: > The global part of the IP address is always derived from the geographical position of the local network. …and the rest is a simple matter of programming, right? Geographical address assignment is a fallacy that innumerate people have pursued for decades. When it comes to providing an actionable plan for implementation, however, none of the attempts has persisted. Perhaps you can be the first! -Bill -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is impossible for a single person or a small group. And based on my principles for the local/regional self-organizing the intercontinental and intercultural cooperation is a must. many greetings, willi Coro, Venezuela Am 27/11/2015 um 01:21 p.m. schrieb Bill Woodcock: > >> On Nov 26, 2015, at 12:49 PM, willi uebelherr wrote: >> The global part of the IP address is always derived from the geographical position of the local network. > > …and the rest is a simple matter of programming, right? > > Geographical address assignment is a fallacy that innumerate people have pursued for decades. When it comes to providing an actionable plan for implementation, however, none of the attempts has persisted. Perhaps you can be the first! > > -Bill > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dave at difference.com.au Sat Nov 28 01:18:16 2015 From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:18:16 +0800 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] The decentralization of IP addresses In-Reply-To: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> Message-ID: <6DD55BC7-2BBD-484E-BD1D-39124BDCACE6@difference.com.au> > On 27 Nov 2015, at 4:49 AM, willi uebelherr wrote: > > > The decentralization of IP addresses. > > We need a completely self-organizing Internet. And this is possible only through massive decentralization. We can look at the difficulties at the beginning of the Internet with tolerance. They were mostly of a technical nature. But today we have other conditions. And from these other conditions arise other possibilities. > > It is about the IP address. It is necessary to ensure that the packets find their direct route to their targets. The router work with numbers. We humans with text. The content is the same. Only the representation is different. it is important to understand that names and numbers do not have a 1 to 1 correspondence. Rather, names are an abstraction layer that serves a number of purposes, and its generally a many to many relationship, but that doesn’t work quite the same way for all services. > > The Internet, a transport system for digital data in packet form, needs this destination address to forward the packets to their destinations can. The packets include this destination. With that, the packets are the instance to enable and orient the router. > > All transport systems operate on the basis of geographical processes. We transport from position A to position B. Consider. The transport of digital data They are comparable with boxes. In the case the data are. They do not care. Outside sticking a piece of paper with the source address, destination address and some information about the transport. These boxes are being made from the transport routes such as the cars and buses on the roads. As Suresh said, please con’t confuse the Internet with the postal service. While the Internet has to eventually deliver to some physical destination somewhere, that this physical destination is mostly abstracted away from the way we use Internets naming and routing protocols is by design, and has many good reasons why it is so. > [snip large section of argument that the Internet should work like the postal service] > The local part of the IP address is always self-determined in the local network. Are you referring to NAT? because not everyone uses NAT, and there are good reasons why it might be preferable not to use it for many people. > We do not need to know the schema of resolution outside of the local network. In the DNS request we also get this part. > > The decisive factor for this solution that we need in the future no Internet Governance. Systems that are geographically based, like the postal and phone systems, involve a great deal of governance. Just ask the ITU. The main difference is that it is largely done by states. Why would your proposal be different? > No organizations that compete for the award of rights of IP addresses. No organizations whose livelihood is based on the sale of global IP addresses. Why would states not compete for the award of rights of IP addresses if they were organised globally? Why do you wish to get rid of the RIRs? How do you think this relates to names, do you think that global generic (as opposed to country) names are a bad idea or is your proposal only for numbers? You’ve suggested these ideas a few times before. They raise a lot of questions, and I think in general many of us would disagree with quite a few of your assumptions. It is always worth questioning even fairly basic assumptions, but I think your ideas are both misguided in their intent, and are based on some fairly basic misunderstandings of how the internet works. Regards David > > With many greetings, willi > Coro, Venezuela > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Such proposals have been floating around ITU circles for a great many years - India and China especially have been floating a trial balloon for national allocation of IP addresses for a while. India eventually formed yet another instance of that very asiapac creation - the NIR, an in country IP registry that works under the RIR framework and receives IP space from APNIC for allocation within India, so - theoretically - enabling Indian businesses to get local language support and pay the relevant fees in local currency. China, Korea for example are other countries that formed NIRs years before India did. In the RIPE region, for similar reasons, they have LIRs, local internet registries, private industry players that receive large IP allocations from RIPE and allocate them to local customers, together with payment and support in the local currency and language. --srs > On 28-Nov-2015, at 11:48 AM, David Cake wrote: > > Why would states not compete for the award of rights of IP addresses if they were organised globally? Why do you wish to get rid of the RIRs? How do you think this relates to names, do you think that global generic (as opposed to country) names are a bad idea or is your proposal only for numbers? -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From chlebrum at gmail.com Sat Nov 28 05:38:36 2015 From: chlebrum at gmail.com (chlebrum .) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 11:38:36 +0100 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] The decentralization of IP addresses In-Reply-To: <6DD55BC7-2BBD-484E-BD1D-39124BDCACE6@difference.com.au> References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> <6DD55BC7-2BBD-484E-BD1D-39124BDCACE6@difference.com.au> Message-ID: FYI How work internet with Louis Pouzin' Datagram (same since +40 years!) https://youtu.be/UmbCcUe6dZk Chantal Lebrument ​Courriel: c hlebrum at gmail.com Mob: +33 6 8369 5460 2015-11-28 7:18 GMT+01:00 David Cake : > > > On 27 Nov 2015, at 4:49 AM, willi uebelherr > wrote: > > > > > > The decentralization of IP addresses. > > > > We need a completely self-organizing Internet. And this is possible only > through massive decentralization. We can look at the difficulties at the > beginning of the Internet with tolerance. They were mostly of a technical > nature. But today we have other conditions. And from these other conditions > arise other possibilities. > > > > It is about the IP address. It is necessary to ensure that the packets > find their direct route to their targets. The router work with numbers. We > humans with text. The content is the same. Only the representation is > different. > > it is important to understand that names and numbers do not have a > 1 to 1 correspondence. Rather, names are an abstraction layer that serves a > number of purposes, and its generally a many to many relationship, but that > doesn’t work quite the same way for all services. > > > > > The Internet, a transport system for digital data in packet form, needs > this destination address to forward the packets to their destinations can. > The packets include this destination. With that, the packets are the > instance to enable and orient the router. > > > > All transport systems operate on the basis of geographical processes. We > transport from position A to position B. Consider. The transport of digital > data They are comparable with boxes. In the case the data are. They do not > care. Outside sticking a piece of paper with the source address, > destination address and some information about the transport. These boxes > are being made from the transport routes such as the cars and buses on the > roads. > > As Suresh said, please con’t confuse the Internet with the postal > service. While the Internet has to eventually deliver to some physical > destination somewhere, that this physical destination is mostly abstracted > away from the way we use Internets naming and routing protocols is by > design, and has many good reasons why it is so. > > > [snip large section of argument that the Internet should work like the > postal service] > > > The local part of the IP address is always self-determined in the local > network. > > Are you referring to NAT? because not everyone uses NAT, and there > are good reasons why it might be preferable not to use it for many people. > > > We do not need to know the schema of resolution outside of the local > network. In the DNS request we also get this part. > > > > The decisive factor for this solution that we need in the future no > Internet Governance. > > Systems that are geographically based, like the postal and phone > systems, involve a great deal of governance. Just ask the ITU. The main > difference is that it is largely done by states. Why would your proposal be > different? > > > No organizations that compete for the award of rights of IP addresses. > No organizations whose livelihood is based on the sale of global IP > addresses. > > Why would states not compete for the award of rights of IP > addresses if they were organised globally? Why do you wish to get rid of > the RIRs? How do you think this relates to names, do you think that global > generic (as opposed to country) names are a bad idea or is your proposal > only for numbers? > > You’ve suggested these ideas a few times before. They raise a lot > of questions, and I think in general many of us would disagree with quite a > few of your assumptions. It is always worth questioning even fairly basic > assumptions, but I think your ideas are both misguided in their intent, and > are based on some fairly basic misunderstandings of how the internet works. > > Regards > > David > > > > With many greetings, willi > > Coro, Venezuela > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From pwilson at apnic.net Sat Nov 28 08:21:29 2015 From: pwilson at apnic.net (Paul Wilson) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 23:21:29 +1000 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] The decentralization of IP addresses In-Reply-To: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> Message-ID: For reference, here’s an article on this topic, written 10 years ago in response to an ITU proposal for geographic/nationalised management of IPv6 address space. http://www.circleid.com/posts/the_geography_of_internet_addressing Paul. On 27 Nov 2015, at 6:49, willi uebelherr wrote: > The decentralization of IP addresses. > > We need a completely self-organizing Internet. And this is possible > only through massive decentralization. We can look at the difficulties > at the beginning of the Internet with tolerance. They were mostly of a > technical nature. But today we have other conditions. And from these > other conditions arise other possibilities. > > It is about the IP address. It is necessary to ensure that the packets > find their direct route to their targets. The router work with > numbers. We humans with text. The content is the same. Only the > representation is different. > > The Internet, a transport system for digital data in packet form, > needs this destination address to forward the packets to their > destinations can. The packets include this destination. With that, the > packets are the instance to enable and orient the router. > > All transport systems operate on the basis of geographical processes. > We transport from position A to position B. Consider. The transport of > digital data They are comparable with boxes. In the case the data are. > They do not care. Outside sticking a piece of paper with the source > address, destination address and some information about the transport. > These boxes are being made from the transport routes such as the cars > and buses on the roads. > > Consider the transport of digital data. The IP packets are comparable > to cases in which the data are packed. But the data do not interest > us. Outside sticking a piece of paper with the source address, > destination address and some information about the transport. These > boxes flows over the transport routes such as the cars and buses on > the roads. > > At the branches we have to decide how to proceed. There are the > routers. They look at the paper and read the destination address. This > is converted to the geographical position and compared to the > geographical position of the router. The result is a directional angle > and the distance. And with that each router can immediately decide in > which direction it goes on. > > We have thus fulfilled the first requirement. The global part of the > IP address is always derived from the geographical position of the > local network. How we do this is an object of our global discussion > and cooperation based on the RFCs (Request for Comment). A very simple > way. > > The local part of the IP address is always self-determined in the > local network. We do not need to know the schema of resolution outside > of the local network. In the DNS request we also get this part. > > The decisive factor for this solution that we need in the future no > Internet Governance. No organizations that compete for the award of > rights of IP addresses. No organizations whose livelihood is based on > the sale of global IP addresses. > > With many greetings, willi > Coro, Venezuela > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > bestbits at lists.bestbits.net. > To unsubscribe or change your settings, visit: > http://lists.bestbits.net/wws/info/bestbits ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Wilson, Director-General, APNIC dg at apnic.net http://www.apnic.net @apnicdg -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From isolatedn at gmail.com Sat Nov 28 08:19:05 2015 From: isolatedn at gmail.com (Sivasubramanian M) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 18:49:05 +0530 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] The decentralization of IP addresses In-Reply-To: <8132E448-E8EC-44F0-8B54-7A9CEA4BF4C8@hserus.net> References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> <6DD55BC7-2BBD-484E-BD1D-39124BDCACE6@difference.com.au> <8132E448-E8EC-44F0-8B54-7A9CEA4BF4C8@hserus.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > While I agree 100% with David, here is a certain amount of crossover. > > Such proposals have been floating around ITU circles for a great many > years - India and China especially have been floating a trial balloon for > national allocation of IP addresses for a while. > ​These notions probably originate in the guise of "traffic optimization" but actually pertain to the traceability of communication. An IP technologist recently pointed out that contiguous allocation is not necessary. He said " IP addresses, though somewhat randomly allocated, could easily be listed on a per country basis by the Agencies. Existing filtering system does this with zero need to reallocate anything ​"​ ​ > India eventually formed yet another instance of that very asiapac > creation - the NIR, an in country IP registry that works under the RIR > framework and receives IP space from APNIC for allocation within India, so > - theoretically - enabling Indian businesses to get local language support > and pay the relevant fees in local currency. China, Korea for example are > other countries that formed NIRs years before India did. > > In the RIPE region, for similar reasons, they have LIRs, local internet > registries, private industry players that receive large IP allocations from > RIPE and allocate them to local customers, together with payment and > support in the local currency and language. > ​If there are reasons other than contiguous allocation, such as local language support or ease of financial transactions, ​ ​it is OK that the RIRs enabled the formation of NIRs. But these developments might make it desirable to think of governance changes that diametrically reverse the topic of this thread to that of a possible move towards greater centralization - by some form of enhanced role for the NRO, for uninterrupted harmony and the globalization of RIR functions ( as also bring the NRO under the IANA Accountability framework ​),​ more to emphasize that the Internet is Global, not National, not Regional. Sivasubramanian M ​ > > --srs > > > On 28-Nov-2015, at 11:48 AM, David Cake wrote: > > > > Why would states not compete for the award of rights of IP addresses if > they were organised globally? Why do you wish to get rid of the RIRs? How > do you think this relates to names, do you think that global generic (as > opposed to country) names are a bad idea or is your proposal only for > numbers? > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -- Sivasubramanian M -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Sat Nov 28 08:24:34 2015 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 18:54:34 +0530 Subject: [governance] [bestbits] The decentralization of IP addresses In-Reply-To: References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> <6DD55BC7-2BBD-484E-BD1D-39124BDCACE6@difference.com.au> <8132E448-E8EC-44F0-8B54-7A9CEA4BF4C8@hserus.net> Message-ID: I was trying to be a bit diplomatic here. Oh well --srs > On 28-Nov-2015, at 6:49 PM, Sivasubramanian M wrote: > > > >> On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: >> While I agree 100% with David, here is a certain amount of crossover. >> >> Such proposals have been floating around ITU circles for a great many years - India and China especially have been floating a trial balloon for national allocation of IP addresses for a while. > > ​These notions probably originate in the guise of "traffic optimization" but actually pertain to the traceability of communication. An IP technologist recently pointed out that contiguous allocation is not necessary. He said "IP addresses, though somewhat randomly allocated, could easily be listed on a per country basis by the Agencies. Existing filtering system does this with zero need to reallocate anything​"​​ > >> >> India eventually formed yet another instance of that very asiapac creation - the NIR, an in country IP registry that works under the RIR framework and receives IP space from APNIC for allocation within India, so - theoretically - enabling Indian businesses to get local language support and pay the relevant fees in local currency. China, Korea for example are other countries that formed NIRs years before India did. >> >> In the RIPE region, for similar reasons, they have LIRs, local internet registries, private industry players that receive large IP allocations from RIPE and allocate them to local customers, together with payment and support in the local currency and language. > > ​If there are reasons other than contiguous allocation, such as local language support or ease of financial transactions, ​ ​it is OK that the RIRs enabled the formation of NIRs. But these developments might make it desirable to think of governance changes that diametrically reverse the topic of this thread to that of a possible move towards greater centralization - by some form of enhanced role for the NRO, for uninterrupted harmony and the globalization of RIR functions (as also bring the NRO under the IANA Accountability framework​),​ more to emphasize that the Internet is Global, not National, not Regional. > > Sivasubramanian M > ​ >> >> --srs >> >> > On 28-Nov-2015, at 11:48 AM, David Cake wrote: >> > >> > Why would states not compete for the award of rights of IP addresses if they were organised globally? Why do you wish to get rid of the RIRs? How do you think this relates to names, do you think that global generic (as opposed to country) names are a bad idea or is your proposal only for numbers? >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > -- > Sivasubramanian M -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From willi.uebelherr at riseup.net Sat Nov 28 12:23:05 2015 From: willi.uebelherr at riseup.net (willi uebelherr) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 12:53:05 -0430 Subject: [governance] The decentralization of IP addresses In-Reply-To: References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> Message-ID: <5659E2F9.5040707@riseup.net> Dear Paul, many thanks for your reference. For your constructive participation in this discussion. But i think, there are some basic differences. 1) An ISP oriented network is impossible. ISP's are only traders of transportcapacity. And no more. We do not need this parasitic space. 2) I speak about geografical addresses. You wrote: "In the early days of IP address management, until some time in the early 1990s, it was commonly assumed that the Internet's geography would follow that of the physical world. In some cases, large address blocks were set aside for entire countries...". But this is a very different thing. You speak about virtual address number blocks, that are oriented to any region. 3) you wrote: "Since their establishment, the RIRs have become the sole mechanism for distribution of IP address space to their users, namely ISPs and network providers, throughout the world. ..." You have a big confusion. The organisation, her name and identity, can never be the basic for our analysis. We have to look, what they do. We never need any form of address/name management, if we use a real physical object. And this is strong compatible with the needs for our telecommunication. People, real existing subjects, act. And not any virtual instances. 4) You use often the term network. A net is a very well defined geometrical structure. It is a recursive geometrical structure, where every nodes, that are part in this connection structure, create the connection to his neighbours. And only then, if the nodes do that, we have a net. In this time, the Net structure do not exist in the telecommunication. Independent of your attempt to explain the virtual action space of the telecommunication systems to the reality. In the telecommunication we have only bus and star topologies. many greetings, willi Coro, Venezuela Am 28/11/2015 um 08:51 a.m. schrieb Paul Wilson: > For reference, here’s an article on this topic, written 10 years ago in > response to an ITU proposal for geographic/nationalised management of > IPv6 address space. > > http://www.circleid.com/posts/the_geography_of_internet_addressing > > Paul. > > > > On 27 Nov 2015, at 6:49, willi uebelherr wrote: > >> The decentralization of IP addresses. >> >> ... -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Sat Nov 28 12:29:16 2015 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:59:16 +0530 Subject: [governance] The decentralization of IP addresses In-Reply-To: <5659E2F9.5040707@riseup.net> References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> <5659E2F9.5040707@riseup.net> Message-ID: <9E378612-CE2F-4ED3-AF28-6EB235508007@hserus.net> I would strongly advice a basic course in network concepts before you continue this discussion further. You might even find that the facts run diametrically opposite to your understanding of how networking and routing work. > On 28-Nov-2015, at 10:53 PM, willi uebelherr wrote: > > In this time, the Net structure do not exist in the telecommunication. Independent of your attempt to explain the virtual action space of the telecommunication systems to the reality. In the telecommunication we have only bus and star topologies. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From willi.uebelherr at riseup.net Sat Nov 28 14:27:33 2015 From: willi.uebelherr at riseup.net (willi uebelherr) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:57:33 -0430 Subject: [governance] The decentralization of IP addresses In-Reply-To: <9E378612-CE2F-4ED3-AF28-6EB235508007@hserus.net> References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> <5659E2F9.5040707@riseup.net> <9E378612-CE2F-4ED3-AF28-6EB235508007@hserus.net> Message-ID: <565A0025.9040600@riseup.net> Dear Suresh, i know this from you. And every time you repeat the same. But never you speak about substantial things. Never you args. It is not enough to postulate. many greetings, willi Coro, Venezuela Am 28/11/2015 um 12:59 p.m. schrieb Suresh Ramasubramanian: > I would strongly advice a basic course in network concepts before you continue this discussion further. > You might even find that the facts run diametrically opposite to your understanding of how networking and routing work. > >> On 28-Nov-2015, at 10:53 PM, willi uebelherr wrote: >> >> In this time, the Net structure do not exist in the telecommunication. Independent of your attempt to explain the virtual action space of the telecommunication systems to the reality. In the telecommunication we have only bus and star topologies. > -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From suresh at hserus.net Sat Nov 28 14:35:00 2015 From: suresh at hserus.net (Suresh Ramasubramanian) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 01:05:00 +0530 Subject: [governance] The decentralization of IP addresses In-Reply-To: <565A0025.9040600@riseup.net> References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> <5659E2F9.5040707@riseup.net> <9E378612-CE2F-4ED3-AF28-6EB235508007@hserus.net> <565A0025.9040600@riseup.net> Message-ID: <489C34D0-4C9D-4B14-A8A3-79C9879522FD@hserus.net> This is a bald statement of fact. Not a postulate. > On 29-Nov-2015, at 12:57 AM, willi uebelherr wrote: > > Dear Suresh, > > i know this from you. And every time you repeat the same. But never you speak about substantial things. Never you args. It is not enough to postulate. > > many greetings, willi > Coro, Venezuela -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From bortzmeyer at internatif.org Sat Nov 28 14:36:55 2015 From: bortzmeyer at internatif.org (Stephane Bortzmeyer) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 20:36:55 +0100 Subject: [governance] The decentralization of IP addresses In-Reply-To: <565A0025.9040600@riseup.net> References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> <5659E2F9.5040707@riseup.net> <9E378612-CE2F-4ED3-AF28-6EB235508007@hserus.net> <565A0025.9040600@riseup.net> Message-ID: <20151128193655.GA23208@sources.org> On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 02:57:33PM -0430, willi uebelherr wrote a message of 45 lines which said: > i know this from you. And every time you repeat the same. But never > you speak about substantial things. Never you args. It is not enough > to postulate. OK, most people on this list are too polite and will never speak plainly. So, I will: Your texts are impossible to understand, and the little that is understandable is hopelessly confused. Your proposal is "not even false" (by which I mean it is not possible to make sense of it, and then to determine if it's true or false.) -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lmcknigh at syr.edu Sat Nov 28 15:38:43 2015 From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 20:38:43 +0000 Subject: [governance] The decentralization of IP addresses In-Reply-To: <20151128193655.GA23208@sources.org> References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> <5659E2F9.5040707@riseup.net> <9E378612-CE2F-4ED3-AF28-6EB235508007@hserus.net> <565A0025.9040600@riseup.net>,<20151128193655.GA23208@sources.org> Message-ID: <1448743119698.70754@syr.edu> +1 ________________________________________ From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org on behalf of Stephane Bortzmeyer Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 2:36 PM To: willi uebelherr Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org Subject: Re: [governance] The decentralization of IP addresses On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 02:57:33PM -0430, willi uebelherr wrote a message of 45 lines which said: > i know this from you. And every time you repeat the same. But never > you speak about substantial things. Never you args. It is not enough > to postulate. OK, most people on this list are too polite and will never speak plainly. So, I will: Your texts are impossible to understand, and the little that is understandable is hopelessly confused. Your proposal is "not even false" (by which I mean it is not possible to make sense of it, and then to determine if it's true or false.) -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From woody at pch.net Sat Nov 28 18:44:28 2015 From: woody at pch.net (Bill Woodcock) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 00:44:28 +0100 Subject: [governance] The decentralization of IP addresses In-Reply-To: <20151128193655.GA23208@sources.org> References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> <5659E2F9.5040707@riseup.net> <9E378612-CE2F-4ED3-AF28-6EB235508007@hserus.net> <565A0025.9040600@riseup.net> <20151128193655.GA23208@sources.org> Message-ID: > On Nov 28, 2015, at 8:36 PM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > Your texts are impossible to understand, and the little that is understandable is hopelessly confused. Your proposal is "not even false" (by which I mean it is not possible to make sense of it, and then to determine if it's true or false.) Specifically, they are “Non-Logical Arguments,” assertions which cannot be tested by logic. Or they are “Ambiguous Assertions,” which may be interpreted in different and conflicting ways, yielding different results. Others are Appeals to Complexity or Appeals to Convenience. > On Nov 28, 2015, at 6:23 PM, willi uebelherr wrote: > An ISP oriented network is impossible. Or Denial and Argument by Dismissal, in this case. > On Nov 28, 2015, at 6:23 PM, willi uebelherr wrote: > We never need any form of address/name management, if we use a real physical object. And this is strong compatible with the needs for our telecommunication. People, real existing subjects, act. And not any virtual instances. Although this portion of your argument is familiar to me, because it make it myself (e.g. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/16/us/finding-who-and-where-within-the-sports-cyber-betting-universe.html), the premise is misapplied to your argument. Layer 3 objects do possess specific, if not necessarily unique, addresses, and through aggregation, those addresses correlate to some degree with the physical topology of the network. But that should not be misconstrued as a correlation with physical geography which exists, when at all, only by coincidence. So, this argument is a form of Dicto Simpliciter, falsely asserting a general truth supported by an unrepresentative sample. The more interesting question raised by your message is whether the services people are interested in are the numerically-addressable Layer 3 objects, or the very high-level conceptual services. Is Wikipedia a “real, physical object?” Or is it an intangible structure of information and thought? Is it possible to assign Wikipedia an integer based upon a geographic location? If so, how would that geographic location be chosen, if not in a completely arbitrary, or even random way? Would real human beings in Beijing and Seattle and Lagos all intuit the same physical geographic location for the Wikipedia service? Would they all intuitively know and agree, for instance, that it resided at 44.5905° N, 104.7155° W, and if so, how many such numeric addresses might they be expected to remember? If the correlation between the service that people are interested in and the address is completely arbitrary, and can be intuited neither by the human attempting to reach it nor by the router attempting to forward the packet, of what value would such an “address” be? And would it even qualify as an “address” in any sense of the word? If you have answers which address the questions in the preceding paragraph without logical fallacy, we might have the basis of an interesting conversation. -Bill -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For your constructive participation >>in this discussion. > >At 20:36 28/11/2015, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >Your texts are impossible to understand, and the little that is >understandable is hopelessly confused. Your proposal is "not even >false" (by which I mean it is not possible to make sense of it, and >then to determine if it's true or false.) Willi, This being said, having been in charge for several years (1982/1986) of the global DNIC based X.121 addressing implementation, I supported 10 years ago the ITU _investigation_ (it was not a proposition). Why? Because we will necessarily move into a more open world once the 1986-2013 "status-quo" culture has progressively unfrozen through experimentation and (now technically correct) "permissionless innovation". The difference between the "ITU/RIRs" period and the post ICANN leadership evolution should be the multiplication of registries (continents, nations, RFC 6852 global communities, ISO/IEC 11179, etc.) and types of numbering plans. The same as 15 years ago they documented why new TLDs would spoil the nets. At that time no one considered possibilities such as SixXS, nor an RFC 6852 pleading for the technology to be driven by markets economics, nor the IETF to consensually accepting to be bound to the ICANN "global community" and subject to NTIA review. Now, I suggest you at least read two RFCs: 1. RFC 1958 "architectural principles of the Internet". Its first section is named "Constat change". It starts stating: " In searching for Internet architectural principles, we must remember that technical change is continuous in the information technology industry. The Internet reflects this. ... Principles that seemed inviolable a few years ago are deprecated today. Principles that seem sacred today will be deprecated tomorrow. The principle of constant change is perhaps the only principle of the Internet that should survive indefinitely." 2. RFC 3439 states " The implication for carrier IP networks then, is that to be successful we must drive our architectures and designs toward the simplest possible solutions." jfc >Am 28/11/2015 um 08:51 a.m. schrieb Paul Wilson: >>For reference, here's an article on this topic, written 10 years ago in >>response to an ITU proposal for geographic/nationalised management of >>IPv6 address space. >> >>http://www.circleid.com/posts/the_geography_of_internet_addressing >> >>Paul. -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeanchristophe.nothias at gmail.com Sun Nov 29 12:59:26 2015 From: jeanchristophe.nothias at gmail.com (Jean-Christophe Nothias) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 18:59:26 +0100 Subject: [governance] The decentralization of IP addresses In-Reply-To: References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> <5659E2F9.5040707@riseup.net> Message-ID: Dear lists, A view among others. I note that this topic of 'the decentralization of IP addresses', even though a few have mocked the questioner and the question, is raising some debate. I was asking myself why do we suddenly have some activity as regards to Willy's wishes and questioning? Let us see what this thread has to say so far: - Suresh very briefly summarized Willy's views by calling for an end to confusion between TCP/IP and the Postal service. A sarcasm to the least. Too bad, Suresh doesn't mention the fact that ITU is handling a non geographical space of futurist and strategic importance i.e. the Space, and its many satellites - another technology inherited from the Telegraph century?! ITU the organization helping dummies inhabiting the atmosphere to communicate with us, the grounded. - David gave some more detailed thoughts about "understanding names and numbers". Saying that names are abstractions is fine, but short of clarity; writing that 'systems geographically based involve a great deal of governance' is also confusing. It is not clear if David meant that today IPs are living their life with no governance at all, or if a different model for handling IPs would be such a burden on economic or technological grounds. Could David provide an analysis comparing the two systems with pro and cons, data and figures? David recommended to ask ITU for feedbacks on regional and national governance. Another taste for sarcasm it seems. Acknowledging that Willy's ideas were raising 'lot of questions', David noted that 'many of us would disagree with quite a few of Willy's assumptions as both misguided in their intent, and based on some fairly basic misunderstandings'. That makes a lot of assumptions for David to counter Willy's assumptions. - Suresh joined again to highlight David's mention of ITU: 'such proposals have been floating around ITU circles for a great many years". Probably another terrible plot by the villains in Geneva! - Cedric asked: '...would it not be premature to assume other models cannot exist, and that managing an address space (or certification such as PKI) always has to require any central or hierarchical co-ordination?' - Chantal provided a link to Louis's work, getting us back to the origins and basics of transmitting data in a network of networks. Still working today. - Paul provided a reference - not mentioning that it was a link to a post he wrote - challenging ITU's work about IPs; to no one's surprise he advocated against it or any attempt to change the system. The post is very long but it doesn't necessarily mean that Paul is right. Paul emphasized the absence of geography for IPs, even though the network of networks is made of networks geographically established in national boundaries and under national jurisdictions, something that hasn't destroyed the idea of INTER-connected NETworks - to the contrary. Maybe I should simply write that the Internet is an international network of national networks, therefore with a lot of geographic national bounds and boundaries. When Paul concludes his blog he notes: 'The structure of today's Internet is a geography of independent networks around the world' - he omits to indicate the national specification and very nature of these networks - 'with transparent borders allowing traffic to flow freely between any pair of locations'. Such narrative should sounds like poetry to many techos, - and to me as well - and its allegoric style should not forbid us to challenge what seems to be well established (see jfc's email for that). Indeed there are many ways to flow freely between any pair of locations" wIth or without the current DNS, or within the current DNS. Here again a lot of assumptions. - By then Nick argued that they were other profound issues 'threatening the network', and therefore, we should all stop discussing Willy's question and views. Obviously Nick's comment does not exactly bring substance to the thread. On a personal note, I am sure everyone on these lists is quite able to decide whether or not to enter any debate, to their best judgement. Calling for an end to a debate (which is having a few guns exchanging shots) is relatively surprising for someone from the business industry so prompt to call for protection of freedom of expression, human rights, and who has seen himself as the next ICANN's CEO with some self confidence. (I know this a bad habit among self-(s)elected folks). By the way, how would you label folks calling for stopping debating? Democrats, yes that must the right word. - 'srs' came in with an interesting IP technologist's quote: 'IP addresses, though randomly allocated, could easily be listed on a per country basis by the Agencies. Existing filtering system does this with zero need to reallocate anything...' - Stéphane who's used to demonstrate his googling of RFCs had this to ask to the lists: "When are we too polite?" His answer was compelling: his message was saying something like be gross and mean. Stéphane didn't give any RFC number to support his contra 'too polite' stance. - Barry would call his great sense of humor to keep the debate open, ironically calling for a multistakeholder bottom-up trick to solve the issue. Just need to read Barry once to make sure you have respect for geography. - Lee was happy with Stéphane's contra 'too polite' stance and used a '+1'. Both must be very upset with the question. - Lately, 'jfc' would somehow support Stéphane's critic of Willy's clarity, but would be kind enough to clearly support what he sees as a decent ITU investigation. 'jfc' provided two excellent RFC references to support his support. I see a couple of interesting points being made here. First, could people provide a link to ITU investigation, and a link to a source describing the current governance for IPs. At least for those who are not so acquainted. Second, I wonder why Willy and his question create such a fuss. Many hypothesis. One seems to be the role of the 'decentralizing' idea in the questioning. In fact, most pro status quo folks (aligned with multistakeholderists) are professing an already decentralized Internet. 'Therefore how could we decentralize an already decentralized system?', they seem to ask. According to them, this doesn't make sense, and must be defeated as pure non sense. So maybe the question is some sort of major embarras de principe. Maybe then the basic solution is to kill the question for it would be insane, confusing, impossible, unreadable, part of another ITU temptation to grab power - please feel free to be unpolite - ... The question seems unbearable. When it is not, at least on technical and public policy grounds. But of course, there are other hypothesis. Third, challenging the Internet architecture seems to be a red line, something that no multistakeholder/status quo champion could ever discuss, debate, think of. They should think twice. And not because of the ITU, but because of the US obstructive stance, and because technology calls for innovation and disruption. (Thanks to jfc for the RFCs on this). IPs can obviously be distributed on a national basis - maybe not the best system - but that is doable. Of course, an NGO located in one of these evil, rogues or villain states will put its digital content behind IPs located out of their unfriendly homeland. Here, we are talking Internet architecture, the political and societal impacts it has, and the rules it obeys to, and not just its beauty code. Of course, we have many pending Internet governance issues, something that will be demonstrated sometime in NY in December, but let's stop talking about 'digital Human Rights' for a sec. (Alec Ross once said to me that they didn't exist, as they were invented to serve a greater purpose: the US interests) There is an IP/root-zone/DNS governing model behind the current status quo. For the time being, it leads us to IETF/IAB for the most part, and to RFCs for the historic part. We all know that IANA's transfer is a kind of écran de fumée when the real power lies beyond it. Giving IANA from ICANN under NTIA/DoC/USG to ICANN without NTIA/DoC/USG won't make a difference. A true decentralization (in terms of coordination) would create a new set of governance, not just bring one to a space that used to live without one centralized governing set of rules. I am convinced that technology would be happy to adapt, as a neutral thing - it loves to be challenged anyway. Some will even argue that IANA and ICANN are not critical resources when it comes to Internet architecture. I tend to agree, as ICANN/IANA are valets to the architects, or guardian of the current DNS aspect of the architecture. The network of networks is fragmented by nature, but it is/looks a coherent and fluid space - thanks to Louis and followers for making this possible. As regards to the current DNS, things could be set otherwise, still coherent and fluid, two qualities that are not enough for us who ask for more social justice, democratic regulation, transparency... Tomorrow we could have a multi-rooted Internet. We (the users as the real Internet community) would simply have different concierges: each user would be offered a choice at any time to chose his/her concierge (Emilio Iccano, Pedro Oproot, Marcello NameSpace, Willy Uncleario...). Browsers would allow users to chose which root concierge they want to use at anytime. Of course, concierge with special connection to mass surveillance paranoids might lose the favor of the public. If the NSA would catch a few nihilists, that would greatly help to justify the billion they cost to the US taxpayer. Soon some geeks/startups/companies will make profits out of such ideas. We don't need ICANN to live and navigate the Internet. ICANN is only one out of many solutions. ICANN's power comes from the fact that there is promiscuity and connivence between the commercial and security US players. ICANN has a monopolistic nature because some commercial giants, and security folks need it. Of course, ICANN et al claim that any competitor would disrupt and fragment the Internet. Which is of course a fairytale. Maybe we shouldn't bother as over the next decade some geeks will ruin the DNS as we know it. The ones telling us that we need to fight any attempt to broke what works so well, simply omit to tell us that the Internet architecture can be different and more consistent with all of what many of us are advocating here, with more responsibility, with more competition, more innovation, more distributive power at local and community level, with greater respect of our Rights. The overall vision of an Internet being un-fragmented is propagated by the ones who wish to protect giants and tyrants's sovereignty on markets and people. The digital economic war now raging over the planet will only drive to the dismantlement of the existing fortress, de facto monopole, tyranny of a few. The US policy, strictly applied by his pet followers (Sweden, UK, Japan, Canada, and the commonwealth - love this name), is there to preserve its interests. Decentralization is needed (a real one) in a revised global legal framework to protect it, and the people's rights and their own conception of what are the new Commons. Such a legal framework, an international law would hold part of it as far as governments are concerned, would distribute more responsibility, competition, better protect rights, and it would also drive economic wealth in a more distributed way, not just to the big players imposing their rules (not to confuse with regulation). Since it exists, Google has greatly contributed to kill pluralism in the media landscape. Who cares? Thanks to its financial torque, it has bought for itself intellectual rights to part of the human legacy in health, literature, science... Who cares? The game is to capture audiences, one way or another, as famously and appropriately put by Susan Crawford. This means more centralization, more concentration. This is not what the founders of Internet dreamt of - I am referring to the academic folks who invented it, with no multistakeholder process behind them, and before the USG took control in 1998. Instead the US should start setting a competitive digital world with more root concierges (for more TLDs). That would demonstrate and protect a diversity and plurality of languages, culture, traditions, media, markets, still under interoperable norms and regulations (sorry I could not avoid to use that ugly word). A multi-rooted Internet would offer more search engines, neutral and less commercially biased ones. A multi-rooted approach would also be complementary to a multipolar, fluid and decentralized Internet. A multi-rooted approach would help achieve an alternative Internet with an immediate more balanced governance, with interoperability and competitive approaches, with no tyrants to dominate others, in the interest of users around the planet. IPs are IPS, and content are located at IPs. So asking to different concierge would fragment nothing, except the current monopoles. The surveillance and commercial ones. Something we would love the US to be the champions of. Something for a New Frontiers president. (Someone is telling me that the guy exists but that he was assassinated by his fellow countrymen - the country of the Free with the record number of assassinated presidents). So let's wait for the next New Frontiers president to emerge. In the US, or anywhere else. Or let's use what we already have at hand. So indeed, it seems that behind the "decentralization of", there is a lot to be concerned with. The decentralization question is helping to deconstruct the fairytale of a decentralized and ungovernable Internet that we have been given for granted over the last 17 years since 1998. JC Le 29 nov. 2015 à 08:19, Jefsey a écrit : > >> At 18:23 28/11/2015, willi uebelherr wrote: >>> many thanks for your reference. For your constructive participation in this discussion. >> >> At 20:36 28/11/2015, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >> Your texts are impossible to understand, and the little that is >> understandable is hopelessly confused. Your proposal is "not even >> false" (by which I mean it is not possible to make sense of it, and >> then to determine if it's true or false.) > > Willi, > > This being said, having been in charge for several years (1982/1986) > of the global DNIC based X.121 addressing implementation, I supported > 10 years ago the ITU _investigation_ (it was not a proposition). > > Why? Because we will necessarily move into a more open world once the > 1986-2013 "status-quo" culture has progressively unfrozen through > experimentation and (now technically correct) "permissionless innovation". > > The difference between the "ITU/RIRs" period and the post ICANN > leadership evolution should be the multiplication of registries > (continents, nations, RFC 6852 global communities, ISO/IEC 11179, > etc.) and types of numbering plans. > > The same as 15 years ago they documented why new TLDs would spoil the > nets. At that time no one considered possibilities such as SixXS, nor > an RFC 6852 pleading for the technology to be driven by markets > economics, nor the IETF to consensually accepting to be bound to the > ICANN "global community" and subject to NTIA review. > > Now, I suggest you at least read two RFCs: > > 1. RFC 1958 "architectural principles of the Internet". Its first > section is named "Constat change". It starts stating: " In searching > for Internet architectural principles, we must remember that technical > change is continuous in the information technology industry. The > Internet reflects this. ... Principles that seemed inviolable a few > years ago are deprecated today. Principles that seem sacred today will > be deprecated tomorrow. The principle of constant change is perhaps > the only principle of the Internet that should survive indefinitely." > > 2. RFC 3439 states " The implication for carrier IP networks then, is > that to be successful we must drive our architectures and designs > toward the simplest possible solutions." > > > jfc > >> Am 28/11/2015 um 08:51 a.m. schrieb Paul Wilson: >>> For reference, here's an article on this topic, written 10 years ago in >>> response to an ITU proposal for geographic/nationalised management of >>> IPv6 address space. >>> >>> http://www.circleid.com/posts/the_geography_of_internet_addressing >>> >>> Paul. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mail at christopherwilkinson.eu Sun Nov 29 13:31:04 2015 From: mail at christopherwilkinson.eu (CW Mail) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 19:31:04 +0100 Subject: [governance] The decentralisation of IP addresses ? In-Reply-To: References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> <5659E2F9.5040707@riseup.net> Message-ID: Good evening: I hesitate to join this vast discussion (I think I am not on most of the mailing lists referenced above) and I fear that I have not understood the whole thread, albeit being in good company. However, I think that 'decentralisation of IP addresses' is not the correct way forward. My expectation would be that a large proportion of the future use of IPv6 will relate to the Internet of Things and RFID. The principal sectors concerned would be global manufacturing, transportation and delivery, and consumer products and services. A significant proportion of that new demand for IP addresses will not be regionally based, still less national or local. It looks as if a lot of that will go global. soon. (Just think in terms of the sourcing, assembly, delivery ad maintenance of the device that you are currently looking at.) If I am right, then I would expect the organisations most concerned to seek a centralised, global source of IPv6 blocks. How the routing and re-assignment of these global IP addresses will be managed is for the experts, not myself. Obviously we do not want IPv6 addresses to be used once and disappear when components are scrapped and RFIDs in packaging are duly binned. Just a few thoughts CW On 29 Nov 2015, at 18:59, Jean-Christophe Nothias wrote: > Dear lists, > > A view among others. > > I note that this topic of 'the decentralization of IP addresses', even though a few have mocked the questioner and the question, is raising some debate. I was asking myself why do we suddenly have some activity as regards to Willy's wishes and questioning? > > Let us see what this thread has to say so far: > - Suresh very briefly summarized Willy's views by calling for an end to confusion between TCP/IP and the Postal service. A sarcasm to the least. Too bad, Suresh doesn't mention the fact that ITU is handling a non geographical space of futurist and strategic importance i.e. the Space, and its many satellites - another technology inherited from the Telegraph century?! ITU the organization helping dummies inhabiting the atmosphere to communicate with us, the grounded. > - David gave some more detailed thoughts about "understanding names and numbers". Saying that names are abstractions is fine, but short of clarity; writing that 'systems geographically based involve a great deal of governance' is also confusing. It is not clear if David meant that today IPs are living their life with no governance at all, or if a different model for handling IPs would be such a burden on economic or technological grounds. Could David provide an analysis comparing the two systems with pro and cons, data and figures? David recommended to ask ITU for feedbacks on regional and national governance. Another taste for sarcasm it seems. Acknowledging that Willy's ideas were raising 'lot of questions', David noted that 'many of us would disagree with quite a few of Willy's assumptions as both misguided in their intent, and based on some fairly basic misunderstandings'. That makes a lot of assumptions for David to counter Willy's assumptions. > - Suresh joined again to highlight David's mention of ITU: 'such proposals have been floating around ITU circles for a great many years". Probably another terrible plot by the villains in Geneva! > - Cedric asked: '...would it not be premature to assume other models cannot exist, and that managing an address space (or certification such as PKI) always has to require any central or hierarchical co-ordination?' > - Chantal provided a link to Louis's work, getting us back to the origins and basics of transmitting data in a network of networks. Still working today. > - Paul provided a reference - not mentioning that it was a link to a post he wrote - challenging ITU's work about IPs; to no one's surprise he advocated against it or any attempt to change the system. The post is very long but it doesn't necessarily mean that Paul is right. Paul emphasized the absence of geography for IPs, even though the network of networks is made of networks geographically established in national boundaries and under national jurisdictions, something that hasn't destroyed the idea of INTER-connected NETworks - to the contrary. Maybe I should simply write that the Internet is an international network of national networks, therefore with a lot of geographic national bounds and boundaries. When Paul concludes his blog he notes: 'The structure of today's Internet is a geography of independent networks around the world' - he omits to indicate the national specification and very nature of these networks - 'with transparent borders allowing traffic to flow freely between any pair of locations'. Such narrative should sounds like poetry to many techos, - and to me as well - and its allegoric style should not forbid us to challenge what seems to be well established (see jfc's email for that). Indeed there are many ways to flow freely between any pair of locations" wIth or without the current DNS, or within the current DNS. Here again a lot of assumptions. > - By then Nick argued that they were other profound issues 'threatening the network', and therefore, we should all stop discussing Willy's question and views. Obviously Nick's comment does not exactly bring substance to the thread. On a personal note, I am sure everyone on these lists is quite able to decide whether or not to enter any debate, to their best judgement. Calling for an end to a debate (which is having a few guns exchanging shots) is relatively surprising for someone from the business industry so prompt to call for protection of freedom of expression, human rights, and who has seen himself as the next ICANN's CEO with some self confidence. (I know this a bad habit among self-(s)elected folks). By the way, how would you label folks calling for stopping debating? Democrats, yes that must the right word. > - 'srs' came in with an interesting IP technologist's quote: 'IP addresses, though randomly allocated, could easily be listed on a per country basis by the Agencies. Existing filtering system does this with zero need to reallocate anything...' > - Stéphane who's used to demonstrate his googling of RFCs had this to ask to the lists: "When are we too polite?" His answer was compelling: his message was saying something like be gross and mean. Stéphane didn't give any RFC number to support his contra 'too polite' stance. > - Barry would call his great sense of humor to keep the debate open, ironically calling for a multistakeholder bottom-up trick to solve the issue. Just need to read Barry once to make sure you have respect for geography. > - Lee was happy with Stéphane's contra 'too polite' stance and used a '+1'. Both must be very upset with the question. > - Lately, 'jfc' would somehow support Stéphane's critic of Willy's clarity, but would be kind enough to clearly support what he sees as a decent ITU investigation. 'jfc' provided two excellent RFC references to support his support. > > I see a couple of interesting points being made here. > > First, could people provide a link to ITU investigation, and a link to a source describing the current governance for IPs. At least for those who are not so acquainted. > > Second, I wonder why Willy and his question create such a fuss. Many hypothesis. One seems to be the role of the 'decentralizing' idea in the questioning. In fact, most pro status quo folks (aligned with multistakeholderists) are professing an already decentralized Internet. 'Therefore how could we decentralize an already decentralized system?', they seem to ask. According to them, this doesn't make sense, and must be defeated as pure non sense. So maybe the question is some sort of major embarras de principe. Maybe then the basic solution is to kill the question for it would be insane, confusing, impossible, unreadable, part of another ITU temptation to grab power - please feel free to be unpolite - ... The question seems unbearable. When it is not, at least on technical and public policy grounds. But of course, there are other hypothesis. > > Third, challenging the Internet architecture seems to be a red line, something that no multistakeholder/status quo champion could ever discuss, debate, think of. They should think twice. And not because of the ITU, but because of the US obstructive stance, and because technology calls for innovation and disruption. (Thanks to jfc for the RFCs on this). IPs can obviously be distributed on a national basis - maybe not the best system - but that is doable. Of course, an NGO located in one of these evil, rogues or villain states will put its digital content behind IPs located out of their unfriendly homeland. > > Here, we are talking Internet architecture, the political and societal impacts it has, and the rules it obeys to, and not just its beauty code. Of course, we have many pending Internet governance issues, something that will be demonstrated sometime in NY in December, but let's stop talking about 'digital Human Rights' for a sec. (Alec Ross once said to me that they didn't exist, as they were invented to serve a greater purpose: the US interests) > > There is an IP/root-zone/DNS governing model behind the current status quo. For the time being, it leads us to IETF/IAB for the most part, and to RFCs for the historic part. We all know that IANA's transfer is a kind of écran de fumée when the real power lies beyond it. Giving IANA from ICANN under NTIA/DoC/USG to ICANN without NTIA/DoC/USG won't make a difference. A true decentralization (in terms of coordination) would create a new set of governance, not just bring one to a space that used to live without one centralized governing set of rules. I am convinced that technology would be happy to adapt, as a neutral thing - it loves to be challenged anyway. Some will even argue that IANA and ICANN are not critical resources when it comes to Internet architecture. I tend to agree, as ICANN/IANA are valets to the architects, or guardian of the current DNS aspect of the architecture. The network of networks is fragmented by nature, but it is/looks a coherent and fluid space - thanks to Louis and followers for making this possible. As regards to the current DNS, things could be set otherwise, still coherent and fluid, two qualities that are not enough for us who ask for more social justice, democratic regulation, transparency... Tomorrow we could have a multi-rooted Internet. We (the users as the real Internet community) would simply have different concierges: each user would be offered a choice at any time to chose his/her concierge (Emilio Iccano, Pedro Oproot, Marcello NameSpace, Willy Uncleario...). Browsers would allow users to chose which root concierge they want to use at anytime. Of course, concierge with special connection to mass surveillance paranoids might lose the favor of the public. If the NSA would catch a few nihilists, that would greatly help to justify the billion they cost to the US taxpayer. Soon some geeks/startups/companies will make profits out of such ideas. We don't need ICANN to live and navigate the Internet. ICANN is only one out of many solutions. ICANN's power comes from the fact that there is promiscuity and connivence between the commercial and security US players. ICANN has a monopolistic nature because some commercial giants, and security folks need it. Of course, ICANN et al claim that any competitor would disrupt and fragment the Internet. Which is of course a fairytale. Maybe we shouldn't bother as over the next decade some geeks will ruin the DNS as we know it. > > The ones telling us that we need to fight any attempt to broke what works so well, simply omit to tell us that the Internet architecture can be different and more consistent with all of what many of us are advocating here, with more responsibility, with more competition, more innovation, more distributive power at local and community level, with greater respect of our Rights. The overall vision of an Internet being un-fragmented is propagated by the ones who wish to protect giants and tyrants's sovereignty on markets and people. The digital economic war now raging over the planet will only drive to the dismantlement of the existing fortress, de facto monopole, tyranny of a few. The US policy, strictly applied by his pet followers (Sweden, UK, Japan, Canada, and the commonwealth - love this name), is there to preserve its interests. > > Decentralization is needed (a real one) in a revised global legal framework to protect it, and the people's rights and their own conception of what are the new Commons. Such a legal framework, an international law would hold part of it as far as governments are concerned, would distribute more responsibility, competition, better protect rights, and it would also drive economic wealth in a more distributed way, not just to the big players imposing their rules (not to confuse with regulation). Since it exists, Google has greatly contributed to kill pluralism in the media landscape. Who cares? Thanks to its financial torque, it has bought for itself intellectual rights to part of the human legacy in health, literature, science... Who cares? The game is to capture audiences, one way or another, as famously and appropriately put by Susan Crawford. This means more centralization, more concentration. This is not what the founders of Internet dreamt of - I am referring to the academic folks who invented it, with no multistakeholder process behind them, and before the USG took control in 1998. > > Instead the US should start setting a competitive digital world with more root concierges (for more TLDs). That would demonstrate and protect a diversity and plurality of languages, culture, traditions, media, markets, still under interoperable norms and regulations (sorry I could not avoid to use that ugly word). A multi-rooted Internet would offer more search engines, neutral and less commercially biased ones. A multi-rooted approach would also be complementary to a multipolar, fluid and decentralized Internet. A multi-rooted approach would help achieve an alternative Internet with an immediate more balanced governance, with interoperability and competitive approaches, with no tyrants to dominate others, in the interest of users around the planet. IPs are IPS, and content are located at IPs. So asking to different concierge would fragment nothing, except the current monopoles. The surveillance and commercial ones. Something we would love the US to be the champions of. Something for a New Frontiers president. (Someone is telling me that the guy exists but that he was assassinated by his fellow countrymen - the country of the Free with the record number of assassinated presidents). So let's wait for the next New Frontiers president to emerge. In the US, or anywhere else. Or let's use what we already have at hand. > > So indeed, it seems that behind the "decentralization of", there is a lot to be concerned with. > > The decentralization question is helping to deconstruct the fairytale of a decentralized and ungovernable Internet that we have been given for granted over the last 17 years since 1998. > > JC > > Le 29 nov. 2015 à 08:19, Jefsey a écrit : > >> >>> At 18:23 28/11/2015, willi uebelherr wrote: >>>> many thanks for your reference. For your constructive participation in this discussion. >>> >>> At 20:36 28/11/2015, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >>> Your texts are impossible to understand, and the little that is >>> understandable is hopelessly confused. Your proposal is "not even >>> false" (by which I mean it is not possible to make sense of it, and >>> then to determine if it's true or false.) >> >> Willi, >> >> This being said, having been in charge for several years (1982/1986) >> of the global DNIC based X.121 addressing implementation, I supported >> 10 years ago the ITU _investigation_ (it was not a proposition). >> >> Why? Because we will necessarily move into a more open world once the >> 1986-2013 "status-quo" culture has progressively unfrozen through >> experimentation and (now technically correct) "permissionless innovation". >> >> The difference between the "ITU/RIRs" period and the post ICANN >> leadership evolution should be the multiplication of registries >> (continents, nations, RFC 6852 global communities, ISO/IEC 11179, >> etc.) and types of numbering plans. >> >> The same as 15 years ago they documented why new TLDs would spoil the >> nets. At that time no one considered possibilities such as SixXS, nor >> an RFC 6852 pleading for the technology to be driven by markets >> economics, nor the IETF to consensually accepting to be bound to the >> ICANN "global community" and subject to NTIA review. >> >> Now, I suggest you at least read two RFCs: >> >> 1. RFC 1958 "architectural principles of the Internet". Its first >> section is named "Constat change". It starts stating: " In searching >> for Internet architectural principles, we must remember that technical >> change is continuous in the information technology industry. The >> Internet reflects this. ... Principles that seemed inviolable a few >> years ago are deprecated today. Principles that seem sacred today will >> be deprecated tomorrow. The principle of constant change is perhaps >> the only principle of the Internet that should survive indefinitely." >> >> 2. RFC 3439 states " The implication for carrier IP networks then, is >> that to be successful we must drive our architectures and designs >> toward the simplest possible solutions." >> >> >> jfc >> >>> Am 28/11/2015 um 08:51 a.m. schrieb Paul Wilson: >>>> For reference, here's an article on this topic, written 10 years ago in >>>> response to an ITU proposal for geographic/nationalised management of >>>> IPv6 address space. >>>> >>>> http://www.circleid.com/posts/the_geography_of_internet_addressing >>>> >>>> Paul. >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dogwallah at gmail.com Sun Nov 29 13:43:08 2015 From: dogwallah at gmail.com (McTim) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 13:43:08 -0500 Subject: [governance] The decentralization of IP addresses In-Reply-To: References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> <5659E2F9.5040707@riseup.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Jean-Christophe Nothias wrote: > Dear lists, > > A view among others. > > I note that this topic of 'the decentralization of IP addresses', even > though a few have mocked the questioner and the question, is raising some > debate. I was asking myself why do we suddenly have some activity as regards > to Willy's wishes and questioning? Probably because those of us who are actively involved in IP address distribution and administration/policy development have been doing capacity building around these issues for over a decade on this list, and it doesn't seem to have much effect on some folk. As you note below, IP addressing is already "de-centralised". It is the most "local", Bottom Up, Transparent, Open, consensus based part of the current IG regime (IMHO). CS is actively involved on many levels. IMHO, IP address policy making IS a CS activity. nro.net will give you more info, since you asked for a link. As for the ITU, there is a Internet Coordination Policy doc that discusses this: www.icann.org/resources/pages/new-rirs-criteria-2012-02-25-en I posted on Circleid about it many years ago. http://www.circleid.com/posts/20091116_itu_and_ipv6_transition_controversy_at_the_igf/ when the above doc was in v.1 form: https://archive.icann.org/en/aso/emerging-rirs-01oct00.htm -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From mail at christopherwilkinson.eu Sun Nov 29 13:46:27 2015 From: mail at christopherwilkinson.eu (CW Mail) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 19:46:27 +0100 Subject: [governance] The decentralisation of IP addresses ? In-Reply-To: References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> <5659E2F9.5040707@riseup.net> Message-ID: <379D8E2A-A24E-4E59-B11F-8C5E64B9007E@christopherwilkinson.eu> PS: Ah! I notice that this message has already been referred to at least half a dozen moderators! With apologies for any inconvenience caused. Regards CW On 29 Nov 2015, at 19:31, CW Mail wrote: > Good evening: > > I hesitate to join this vast discussion (I think I am not on most of the mailing lists referenced above) and I fear that I have not understood the whole thread, albeit being in good company. > > However, I think that 'decentralisation of IP addresses' is not the correct way forward. > > My expectation would be that a large proportion of the future use of IPv6 will relate to the Internet of Things and RFID. > The principal sectors concerned would be global manufacturing, transportation and delivery, and consumer products and services. > > A significant proportion of that new demand for IP addresses will not be regionally based, still less national or local. > It looks as if a lot of that will go global. soon. (Just think in terms of the sourcing, assembly, delivery ad maintenance of the device that you are currently looking at.) > > If I am right, then I would expect the organisations most concerned to seek a centralised, global source of IPv6 blocks. How the routing and re-assignment of these global IP addresses will be managed is for the experts, not myself. Obviously we do not want IPv6 addresses to be used once and disappear when components are scrapped and RFIDs in packaging are duly binned. > > Just a few thoughts > > CW > > > On 29 Nov 2015, at 18:59, Jean-Christophe Nothias wrote: > >> Dear lists, >> >> A view among others. >> >> I note that this topic of 'the decentralization of IP addresses', even though a few have mocked the questioner and the question, is raising some debate. I was asking myself why do we suddenly have some activity as regards to Willy's wishes and questioning? >> >> Let us see what this thread has to say so far: >> - Suresh very briefly summarized Willy's views by calling for an end to confusion between TCP/IP and the Postal service. A sarcasm to the least. Too bad, Suresh doesn't mention the fact that ITU is handling a non geographical space of futurist and strategic importance i.e. the Space, and its many satellites - another technology inherited from the Telegraph century?! ITU the organization helping dummies inhabiting the atmosphere to communicate with us, the grounded. >> - David gave some more detailed thoughts about "understanding names and numbers". Saying that names are abstractions is fine, but short of clarity; writing that 'systems geographically based involve a great deal of governance' is also confusing. It is not clear if David meant that today IPs are living their life with no governance at all, or if a different model for handling IPs would be such a burden on economic or technological grounds. Could David provide an analysis comparing the two systems with pro and cons, data and figures? David recommended to ask ITU for feedbacks on regional and national governance. Another taste for sarcasm it seems. Acknowledging that Willy's ideas were raising 'lot of questions', David noted that 'many of us would disagree with quite a few of Willy's assumptions as both misguided in their intent, and based on some fairly basic misunderstandings'. That makes a lot of assumptions for David to counter Willy's assumptions. >> - Suresh joined again to highlight David's mention of ITU: 'such proposals have been floating around ITU circles for a great many years". Probably another terrible plot by the villains in Geneva! >> - Cedric asked: '...would it not be premature to assume other models cannot exist, and that managing an address space (or certification such as PKI) always has to require any central or hierarchical co-ordination?' >> - Chantal provided a link to Louis's work, getting us back to the origins and basics of transmitting data in a network of networks. Still working today. >> - Paul provided a reference - not mentioning that it was a link to a post he wrote - challenging ITU's work about IPs; to no one's surprise he advocated against it or any attempt to change the system. The post is very long but it doesn't necessarily mean that Paul is right. Paul emphasized the absence of geography for IPs, even though the network of networks is made of networks geographically established in national boundaries and under national jurisdictions, something that hasn't destroyed the idea of INTER-connected NETworks - to the contrary. Maybe I should simply write that the Internet is an international network of national networks, therefore with a lot of geographic national bounds and boundaries. When Paul concludes his blog he notes: 'The structure of today's Internet is a geography of independent networks around the world' - he omits to indicate the national specification and very nature of these networks - 'with transparent borders allowing traffic to flow freely between any pair of locations'. Such narrative should sounds like poetry to many techos, - and to me as well - and its allegoric style should not forbid us to challenge what seems to be well established (see jfc's email for that). Indeed there are many ways to flow freely between any pair of locations" wIth or without the current DNS, or within the current DNS. Here again a lot of assumptions. >> - By then Nick argued that they were other profound issues 'threatening the network', and therefore, we should all stop discussing Willy's question and views. Obviously Nick's comment does not exactly bring substance to the thread. On a personal note, I am sure everyone on these lists is quite able to decide whether or not to enter any debate, to their best judgement. Calling for an end to a debate (which is having a few guns exchanging shots) is relatively surprising for someone from the business industry so prompt to call for protection of freedom of expression, human rights, and who has seen himself as the next ICANN's CEO with some self confidence. (I know this a bad habit among self-(s)elected folks). By the way, how would you label folks calling for stopping debating? Democrats, yes that must the right word. >> - 'srs' came in with an interesting IP technologist's quote: 'IP addresses, though randomly allocated, could easily be listed on a per country basis by the Agencies. Existing filtering system does this with zero need to reallocate anything...' >> - Stéphane who's used to demonstrate his googling of RFCs had this to ask to the lists: "When are we too polite?" His answer was compelling: his message was saying something like be gross and mean. Stéphane didn't give any RFC number to support his contra 'too polite' stance. >> - Barry would call his great sense of humor to keep the debate open, ironically calling for a multistakeholder bottom-up trick to solve the issue. Just need to read Barry once to make sure you have respect for geography. >> - Lee was happy with Stéphane's contra 'too polite' stance and used a '+1'. Both must be very upset with the question. >> - Lately, 'jfc' would somehow support Stéphane's critic of Willy's clarity, but would be kind enough to clearly support what he sees as a decent ITU investigation. 'jfc' provided two excellent RFC references to support his support. >> >> I see a couple of interesting points being made here. >> >> First, could people provide a link to ITU investigation, and a link to a source describing the current governance for IPs. At least for those who are not so acquainted. >> >> Second, I wonder why Willy and his question create such a fuss. Many hypothesis. One seems to be the role of the 'decentralizing' idea in the questioning. In fact, most pro status quo folks (aligned with multistakeholderists) are professing an already decentralized Internet. 'Therefore how could we decentralize an already decentralized system?', they seem to ask. According to them, this doesn't make sense, and must be defeated as pure non sense. So maybe the question is some sort of major embarras de principe. Maybe then the basic solution is to kill the question for it would be insane, confusing, impossible, unreadable, part of another ITU temptation to grab power - please feel free to be unpolite - ... The question seems unbearable. When it is not, at least on technical and public policy grounds. But of course, there are other hypothesis. >> >> Third, challenging the Internet architecture seems to be a red line, something that no multistakeholder/status quo champion could ever discuss, debate, think of. They should think twice. And not because of the ITU, but because of the US obstructive stance, and because technology calls for innovation and disruption. (Thanks to jfc for the RFCs on this). IPs can obviously be distributed on a national basis - maybe not the best system - but that is doable. Of course, an NGO located in one of these evil, rogues or villain states will put its digital content behind IPs located out of their unfriendly homeland. >> >> Here, we are talking Internet architecture, the political and societal impacts it has, and the rules it obeys to, and not just its beauty code. Of course, we have many pending Internet governance issues, something that will be demonstrated sometime in NY in December, but let's stop talking about 'digital Human Rights' for a sec. (Alec Ross once said to me that they didn't exist, as they were invented to serve a greater purpose: the US interests) >> >> There is an IP/root-zone/DNS governing model behind the current status quo. For the time being, it leads us to IETF/IAB for the most part, and to RFCs for the historic part. We all know that IANA's transfer is a kind of écran de fumée when the real power lies beyond it. Giving IANA from ICANN under NTIA/DoC/USG to ICANN without NTIA/DoC/USG won't make a difference. A true decentralization (in terms of coordination) would create a new set of governance, not just bring one to a space that used to live without one centralized governing set of rules. I am convinced that technology would be happy to adapt, as a neutral thing - it loves to be challenged anyway. Some will even argue that IANA and ICANN are not critical resources when it comes to Internet architecture. I tend to agree, as ICANN/IANA are valets to the architects, or guardian of the current DNS aspect of the architecture. The network of networks is fragmented by nature, but it is/looks a coherent and fluid space - thanks to Louis and followers for making this possible. As regards to the current DNS, things could be set otherwise, still coherent and fluid, two qualities that are not enough for us who ask for more social justice, democratic regulation, transparency... Tomorrow we could have a multi-rooted Internet. We (the users as the real Internet community) would simply have different concierges: each user would be offered a choice at any time to chose his/her concierge (Emilio Iccano, Pedro Oproot, Marcello NameSpace, Willy Uncleario...). Browsers would allow users to chose which root concierge they want to use at anytime. Of course, concierge with special connection to mass surveillance paranoids might lose the favor of the public. If the NSA would catch a few nihilists, that would greatly help to justify the billion they cost to the US taxpayer. Soon some geeks/startups/companies will make profits out of such ideas. We don't need ICANN to live and navigate the Internet. ICANN is only one out of many solutions. ICANN's power comes from the fact that there is promiscuity and connivence between the commercial and security US players. ICANN has a monopolistic nature because some commercial giants, and security folks need it. Of course, ICANN et al claim that any competitor would disrupt and fragment the Internet. Which is of course a fairytale. Maybe we shouldn't bother as over the next decade some geeks will ruin the DNS as we know it. >> >> The ones telling us that we need to fight any attempt to broke what works so well, simply omit to tell us that the Internet architecture can be different and more consistent with all of what many of us are advocating here, with more responsibility, with more competition, more innovation, more distributive power at local and community level, with greater respect of our Rights. The overall vision of an Internet being un-fragmented is propagated by the ones who wish to protect giants and tyrants's sovereignty on markets and people. The digital economic war now raging over the planet will only drive to the dismantlement of the existing fortress, de facto monopole, tyranny of a few. The US policy, strictly applied by his pet followers (Sweden, UK, Japan, Canada, and the commonwealth - love this name), is there to preserve its interests. >> >> Decentralization is needed (a real one) in a revised global legal framework to protect it, and the people's rights and their own conception of what are the new Commons. Such a legal framework, an international law would hold part of it as far as governments are concerned, would distribute more responsibility, competition, better protect rights, and it would also drive economic wealth in a more distributed way, not just to the big players imposing their rules (not to confuse with regulation). Since it exists, Google has greatly contributed to kill pluralism in the media landscape. Who cares? Thanks to its financial torque, it has bought for itself intellectual rights to part of the human legacy in health, literature, science... Who cares? The game is to capture audiences, one way or another, as famously and appropriately put by Susan Crawford. This means more centralization, more concentration. This is not what the founders of Internet dreamt of - I am referring to the academic folks who invented it, with no multistakeholder process behind them, and before the USG took control in 1998. >> >> Instead the US should start setting a competitive digital world with more root concierges (for more TLDs). That would demonstrate and protect a diversity and plurality of languages, culture, traditions, media, markets, still under interoperable norms and regulations (sorry I could not avoid to use that ugly word). A multi-rooted Internet would offer more search engines, neutral and less commercially biased ones. A multi-rooted approach would also be complementary to a multipolar, fluid and decentralized Internet. A multi-rooted approach would help achieve an alternative Internet with an immediate more balanced governance, with interoperability and competitive approaches, with no tyrants to dominate others, in the interest of users around the planet. IPs are IPS, and content are located at IPs. So asking to different concierge would fragment nothing, except the current monopoles. The surveillance and commercial ones. Something we would love the US to be the champions of. Something for a New Frontiers president. (Someone is telling me that the guy exists but that he was assassinated by his fellow countrymen - the country of the Free with the record number of assassinated presidents). So let's wait for the next New Frontiers president to emerge. In the US, or anywhere else. Or let's use what we already have at hand. >> >> So indeed, it seems that behind the "decentralization of", there is a lot to be concerned with. >> >> The decentralization question is helping to deconstruct the fairytale of a decentralized and ungovernable Internet that we have been given for granted over the last 17 years since 1998. >> >> JC >> >> Le 29 nov. 2015 à 08:19, Jefsey a écrit : >> >>> >>>> At 18:23 28/11/2015, willi uebelherr wrote: >>>>> many thanks for your reference. For your constructive participation in this discussion. >>>> >>>> At 20:36 28/11/2015, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >>>> Your texts are impossible to understand, and the little that is >>>> understandable is hopelessly confused. Your proposal is "not even >>>> false" (by which I mean it is not possible to make sense of it, and >>>> then to determine if it's true or false.) >>> >>> Willi, >>> >>> This being said, having been in charge for several years (1982/1986) >>> of the global DNIC based X.121 addressing implementation, I supported >>> 10 years ago the ITU _investigation_ (it was not a proposition). >>> >>> Why? Because we will necessarily move into a more open world once the >>> 1986-2013 "status-quo" culture has progressively unfrozen through >>> experimentation and (now technically correct) "permissionless innovation". >>> >>> The difference between the "ITU/RIRs" period and the post ICANN >>> leadership evolution should be the multiplication of registries >>> (continents, nations, RFC 6852 global communities, ISO/IEC 11179, >>> etc.) and types of numbering plans. >>> >>> The same as 15 years ago they documented why new TLDs would spoil the >>> nets. At that time no one considered possibilities such as SixXS, nor >>> an RFC 6852 pleading for the technology to be driven by markets >>> economics, nor the IETF to consensually accepting to be bound to the >>> ICANN "global community" and subject to NTIA review. >>> >>> Now, I suggest you at least read two RFCs: >>> >>> 1. RFC 1958 "architectural principles of the Internet". Its first >>> section is named "Constat change". It starts stating: " In searching >>> for Internet architectural principles, we must remember that technical >>> change is continuous in the information technology industry. The >>> Internet reflects this. ... Principles that seemed inviolable a few >>> years ago are deprecated today. Principles that seem sacred today will >>> be deprecated tomorrow. The principle of constant change is perhaps >>> the only principle of the Internet that should survive indefinitely." >>> >>> 2. RFC 3439 states " The implication for carrier IP networks then, is >>> that to be successful we must drive our architectures and designs >>> toward the simplest possible solutions." >>> >>> >>> jfc >>> >>>> Am 28/11/2015 um 08:51 a.m. schrieb Paul Wilson: >>>>> For reference, here's an article on this topic, written 10 years ago in >>>>> response to an ITU proposal for geographic/nationalised management of >>>>> IPv6 address space. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.circleid.com/posts/the_geography_of_internet_addressing >>>>> >>>>> Paul. >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >>> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >>> To be removed from the list, visit: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >>> >>> For all other list information and functions, see: >>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >>> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >>> >>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From lmcknigh at syr.edu Sun Nov 29 20:11:25 2015 From: lmcknigh at syr.edu (Lee W McKnight) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 01:11:25 +0000 Subject: [governance] The decentralization of IP addresses In-Reply-To: References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> <5659E2F9.5040707@riseup.net> , Message-ID: <1448845879579.75739@syr.edu> Hi Jean-Christophe , I appreciate your effort to summarize many conversations across many threads, from your point of view. But as to your interpretation that my +1 = 'very upset'; I beg to differ. I was merely agreeing with Stephane, and am not at all upset honestly. As to what is indeed ripe for further decentralisation in an age of Things and other Non-Person Entities with their own Internet addresses among other attributes, that is a better question; but still not quite on target I humbly suggest. We are nearing release of v0.4 of the Open Specifications Model, which is completely virtualized and hence decentralized by its nature from cloud to edge; that model incorporates - everything - at all OSI layers, physical or virtual; and beyond. Which exists now, or can exist in the future. v0.3 is here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274754770_Open_Specifications_Model_v0.3_Wireless_Grids_Internet_of_Things_Technical_Requirements Students, faculty and firms from every continent save Antarctica have contributed already, as have many governmental and community organizations. We are admittedly still far from v1.0, so plenty of time for folks to dive in and contribute in the Open Specification Model's formative phases. Some of you may recall we have shared every version from the beginning with the Internet Governance Caucus; and that this model builds on civil society values as exemplified by its incorporating the Charter on Internet Rights and Principles into v0.3. Open innovation communities - wherever - we anticipate will (continue) to contribute to its further evolution, just as for example IGF and its dynamic coalitions on Internet Rights and Principles, and on Internet of Things, are being - synchronized/incorporated into the model itself. Without asking Wolfgang;s or anyone's permission. : ) In sum, I am not at all upset, just +1'd Stephane's attempt to - politely educate - others who imho are asking off-target questions displaying to be frank, their misunderstanding. Assuming the target is open/permissionless Internet innovation, wherever, more or less same as it ever was, but now with many many more contributing; that is in that sense further decetralized. But this time around with hopefully better security and privacy for data & things to keep bad bots and other malicious actors from stealing your bits, identity, or other resources; and with civil society values baked into the model itself. To be clear, what I am suggesting is you, and others are free to add on to the Open Specifications Model further features and attributes as you wish, without needing to wade into the spheres or domains of IETF, ICANN or RIR allocation processes, since after all who really cares about autonomous systems and networks when their key feature from an Internet point of view is that they -- recognize and pass bits as the sender requested? If interested in further information on autonomous systems, this article from Geoff Huston does a good job explaining the mechanics and references the relevant RFCs if further study of that aspect of the Intenet architecture is of interest. Happy to elaborate further, or provide further links, if so requested. In any case when v0.4 is good to go, we will pass links to that along with 5 or 6 use cases, and open code, to the IGC list; should anyone desire to build one's own open cyberphysical Internet of ....without asking anyone's permission. Lee ________________________________ From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org on behalf of Jean-Christophe Nothias Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:59 PM To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Jefsey Cc: willi uebelherr; Paul Wilson; 1net.org discuss; 0net.org discuss; BestBits; APC forum; IUF brasil; WSF discuss; Nw Labour discuss Subject: Re: [governance] The decentralization of IP addresses Dear lists, A view among others. I note that this topic of 'the decentralization of IP addresses', even though a few have mocked the questioner and the question, is raising some debate. I was asking myself why do we suddenly have some activity as regards to Willy's wishes and questioning? Let us see what this thread has to say so far: - Suresh very briefly summarized Willy's views by calling for an end to confusion between TCP/IP and the Postal service. A sarcasm to the least. Too bad, Suresh doesn't mention the fact that ITU is handling a non geographical space of futurist and strategic importance i.e. the Space, and its many satellites - another technology inherited from the Telegraph century?! ITU the organization helping dummies inhabiting the atmosphere to communicate with us, the grounded. - David gave some more detailed thoughts about "understanding names and numbers". Saying that names are abstractions is fine, but short of clarity; writing that 'systems geographically based involve a great deal of governance' is also confusing. It is not clear if David meant that today IPs are living their life with no governance at all, or if a different model for handling IPs would be such a burden on economic or technological grounds. Could David provide an analysis comparing the two systems with pro and cons, data and figures? David recommended to ask ITU for feedbacks on regional and national governance. Another taste for sarcasm it seems. Acknowledging that Willy's ideas were raising 'lot of questions', David noted that 'many of us would disagree with quite a few of Willy's assumptions as both misguided in their intent, and based on some fairly basic misunderstandings'. That makes a lot of assumptions for David to counter Willy's assumptions. - Suresh joined again to highlight David's mention of ITU: 'such proposals have been floating around ITU circles for a great many years". Probably another terrible plot by the villains in Geneva! - Cedric asked: '...would it not be premature to assume other models cannot exist, and that managing an address space (or certification such as PKI) always has to require any central or hierarchical co-ordination?' - Chantal provided a link to Louis's work, getting us back to the origins and basics of transmitting data in a network of networks. Still working today. - Paul provided a reference - not mentioning that it was a link to a post he wrote - challenging ITU's work about IPs; to no one's surprise he advocated against it or any attempt to change the system. The post is very long but it doesn't necessarily mean that Paul is right. Paul emphasized the absence of geography for IPs, even though the network of networks is made of networks geographically established in national boundaries and under national jurisdictions, something that hasn't destroyed the idea of INTER-connected NETworks - to the contrary. Maybe I should simply write that the Internet is an international network of national networks, therefore with a lot of geographic national bounds and boundaries. When Paul concludes his blog he notes: 'The structure of today's Internet is a geography of independent networks around the world' - he omits to indicate the national specification and very nature of these networks - 'with transparent borders allowing traffic to flow freely between any pair of locations'. Such narrative should sounds like poetry to many techos, - and to me as well - and its allegoric style should not forbid us to challenge what seems to be well established (see jfc's email for that). Indeed there are many ways to flow freely between any pair of locations" wIth or without the current DNS, or within the current DNS. Here again a lot of assumptions. - By then Nick argued that they were other profound issues 'threatening the network', and therefore, we should all stop discussing Willy's question and views. Obviously Nick's comment does not exactly bring substance to the thread. On a personal note, I am sure everyone on these lists is quite able to decide whether or not to enter any debate, to their best judgement. Calling for an end to a debate (which is having a few guns exchanging shots) is relatively surprising for someone from the business industry so prompt to call for protection of freedom of expression, human rights, and who has seen himself as the next ICANN's CEO with some self confidence. (I know this a bad habit among self-(s)elected folks). By the way, how would you label folks calling for stopping debating? Democrats, yes that must the right word. - 'srs' came in with an interesting IP technologist's quote: 'IP addresses, though randomly allocated, could easily be listed on a per country basis by the Agencies. Existing filtering system does this with zero need to reallocate anything...' - Stéphane who's used to demonstrate his googling of RFCs had this to ask to the lists: "When are we too polite?" His answer was compelling: his message was saying something like be gross and mean. Stéphane didn't give any RFC number to support his contra 'too polite' stance. - Barry would call his great sense of humor to keep the debate open, ironically calling for a multistakeholder bottom-up trick to solve the issue. Just need to read Barry once to make sure you have respect for geography. - Lee was happy with Stéphane's contra 'too polite' stance and used a '+1'. Both must be very upset with the question. - Lately, 'jfc' would somehow support Stéphane's critic of Willy's clarity, but would be kind enough to clearly support what he sees as a decent ITU investigation. 'jfc' provided two excellent RFC references to support his support. I see a couple of interesting points being made here. First, could people provide a link to ITU investigation, and a link to a source describing the current governance for IPs. At least for those who are not so acquainted. Second, I wonder why Willy and his question create such a fuss. Many hypothesis. One seems to be the role of the 'decentralizing' idea in the questioning. In fact, most pro status quo folks (aligned with multistakeholderists) are professing an already decentralized Internet. 'Therefore how could we decentralize an already decentralized system?', they seem to ask. According to them, this doesn't make sense, and must be defeated as pure non sense. So maybe the question is some sort of major embarras de principe. Maybe then the basic solution is to kill the question for it would be insane, confusing, impossible, unreadable, part of another ITU temptation to grab power - please feel free to be unpolite - ... The question seems unbearable. When it is not, at least on technical and public policy grounds. But of course, there are other hypothesis. Third, challenging the Internet architecture seems to be a red line, something that no multistakeholder/status quo champion could ever discuss, debate, think of. They should think twice. And not because of the ITU, but because of the US obstructive stance, and because technology calls for innovation and disruption. (Thanks to jfc for the RFCs on this). IPs can obviously be distributed on a national basis - maybe not the best system - but that is doable. Of course, an NGO located in one of these evil, rogues or villain states will put its digital content behind IPs located out of their unfriendly homeland. Here, we are talking Internet architecture, the political and societal impacts it has, and the rules it obeys to, and not just its beauty code. Of course, we have many pending Internet governance issues, something that will be demonstrated sometime in NY in December, but let's stop talking about 'digital Human Rights' for a sec. (Alec Ross once said to me that they didn't exist, as they were invented to serve a greater purpose: the US interests) There is an IP/root-zone/DNS governing model behind the current status quo. For the time being, it leads us to IETF/IAB for the most part, and to RFCs for the historic part. We all know that IANA's transfer is a kind of écran de fumée when the real power lies beyond it. Giving IANA from ICANN under NTIA/DoC/USG to ICANN without NTIA/DoC/USG won't make a difference. A true decentralization (in terms of coordination) would create a new set of governance, not just bring one to a space that used to live without one centralized governing set of rules. I am convinced that technology would be happy to adapt, as a neutral thing - it loves to be challenged anyway. Some will even argue that IANA and ICANN are not critical resources when it comes to Internet architecture. I tend to agree, as ICANN/IANA are valets to the architects, or guardian of the current DNS aspect of the architecture. The network of networks is fragmented by nature, but it is/looks a coherent and fluid space - thanks to Louis and followers for making this possible. As regards to the current DNS, things could be set otherwise, still coherent and fluid, two qualities that are not enough for us who ask for more social justice, democratic regulation, transparency... Tomorrow we could have a multi-rooted Internet. We (the users as the real Internet community) would simply have different concierges: each user would be offered a choice at any time to chose his/her concierge (Emilio Iccano, Pedro Oproot, Marcello NameSpace, Willy Uncleario...). Browsers would allow users to chose which root concierge they want to use at anytime. Of course, concierge with special connection to mass surveillance paranoids might lose the favor of the public. If the NSA would catch a few nihilists, that would greatly help to justify the billion they cost to the US taxpayer. Soon some geeks/startups/companies will make profits out of such ideas. We don't need ICANN to live and navigate the Internet. ICANN is only one out of many solutions. ICANN's power comes from the fact that there is promiscuity and connivence between the commercial and security US players. ICANN has a monopolistic nature because some commercial giants, and security folks need it. Of course, ICANN et al claim that any competitor would disrupt and fragment the Internet. Which is of course a fairytale. Maybe we shouldn't bother as over the next decade some geeks will ruin the DNS as we know it. The ones telling us that we need to fight any attempt to broke what works so well, simply omit to tell us that the Internet architecture can be different and more consistent with all of what many of us are advocating here, with more responsibility, with more competition, more innovation, more distributive power at local and community level, with greater respect of our Rights. The overall vision of an Internet being un-fragmented is propagated by the ones who wish to protect giants and tyrants's sovereignty on markets and people. The digital economic war now raging over the planet will only drive to the dismantlement of the existing fortress, de facto monopole, tyranny of a few. The US policy, strictly applied by his pet followers (Sweden, UK, Japan, Canada, and the commonwealth - love this name), is there to preserve its interests. Decentralization is needed (a real one) in a revised global legal framework to protect it, and the people's rights and their own conception of what are the new Commons. Such a legal framework, an international law would hold part of it as far as governments are concerned, would distribute more responsibility, competition, better protect rights, and it would also drive economic wealth in a more distributed way, not just to the big players imposing their rules (not to confuse with regulation). Since it exists, Google has greatly contributed to kill pluralism in the media landscape. Who cares? Thanks to its financial torque, it has bought for itself intellectual rights to part of the human legacy in health, literature, science... Who cares? The game is to capture audiences, one way or another, as famously and appropriately put by Susan Crawford. This means more centralization, more concentration. This is not what the founders of Internet dreamt of - I am referring to the academic folks who invented it, with no multistakeholder process behind them, and before the USG took control in 1998. Instead the US should start setting a competitive digital world with more root concierges (for more TLDs). That would demonstrate and protect a diversity and plurality of languages, culture, traditions, media, markets, still under interoperable norms and regulations (sorry I could not avoid to use that ugly word). A multi-rooted Internet would offer more search engines, neutral and less commercially biased ones. A multi-rooted approach would also be complementary to a multipolar, fluid and decentralized Internet. A multi-rooted approach would help achieve an alternative Internet with an immediate more balanced governance, with interoperability and competitive approaches, with no tyrants to dominate others, in the interest of users around the planet. IPs are IPS, and content are located at IPs. So asking to different concierge would fragment nothing, except the current monopoles. The surveillance and commercial ones. Something we would love the US to be the champions of. Something for a New Frontiers president. (Someone is telling me that the guy exists but that he was assassinated by his fellow countrymen - the country of the Free with the record number of assassinated presidents). So let's wait for the next New Frontiers president to emerge. In the US, or anywhere else. Or let's use what we already have at hand. So indeed, it seems that behind the "decentralization of", there is a lot to be concerned with. The decentralization question is helping to deconstruct the fairytale of a decentralized and ungovernable Internet that we have been given for granted over the last 17 years since 1998. JC Le 29 nov. 2015 à 08:19, Jefsey a écrit : At 18:23 28/11/2015, willi uebelherr wrote: many thanks for your reference. For your constructive participation in this discussion. At 20:36 28/11/2015, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: Your texts are impossible to understand, and the little that is understandable is hopelessly confused. Your proposal is "not even false" (by which I mean it is not possible to make sense of it, and then to determine if it's true or false.) Willi, This being said, having been in charge for several years (1982/1986) of the global DNIC based X.121 addressing implementation, I supported 10 years ago the ITU _investigation_ (it was not a proposition). Why? Because we will necessarily move into a more open world once the 1986-2013 "status-quo" culture has progressively unfrozen through experimentation and (now technically correct) "permissionless innovation". The difference between the "ITU/RIRs" period and the post ICANN leadership evolution should be the multiplication of registries (continents, nations, RFC 6852 global communities, ISO/IEC 11179, etc.) and types of numbering plans. The same as 15 years ago they documented why new TLDs would spoil the nets. At that time no one considered possibilities such as SixXS, nor an RFC 6852 pleading for the technology to be driven by markets economics, nor the IETF to consensually accepting to be bound to the ICANN "global community" and subject to NTIA review. Now, I suggest you at least read two RFCs: 1. RFC 1958 "architectural principles of the Internet". Its first section is named "Constat change". It starts stating: " In searching for Internet architectural principles, we must remember that technical change is continuous in the information technology industry. The Internet reflects this. ... Principles that seemed inviolable a few years ago are deprecated today. Principles that seem sacred today will be deprecated tomorrow. The principle of constant change is perhaps the only principle of the Internet that should survive indefinitely." 2. RFC 3439 states " The implication for carrier IP networks then, is that to be successful we must drive our architectures and designs toward the simplest possible solutions." jfc Am 28/11/2015 um 08:51 a.m. schrieb Paul Wilson: For reference, here's an article on this topic, written 10 years ago in response to an ITU proposal for geographic/nationalised management of IPv6 address space. http://www.circleid.com/posts/the_geography_of_internet_addressing Paul. ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From dave at difference.com.au Sun Nov 29 21:52:24 2015 From: dave at difference.com.au (David Cake) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 10:52:24 +0800 Subject: [governance] The decentralization of IP addresses In-Reply-To: References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> <5659E2F9.5040707@riseup.net> Message-ID: <798313CC-727D-42B2-820F-B5C84835B97E@difference.com.au> > On 30 Nov 2015, at 1:59 AM, Jean-Christophe Nothias wrote: > - David gave some more detailed thoughts about "understanding names and numbers". Saying that names are abstractions is fine, but short of clarity; writing that 'systems geographically based involve a great deal of governance' is also confusing. It is not clear if David meant that today IPs are living their life with no governance at all, or if a different model for handling IPs would be such a burden on economic or technological grounds. Why would you take a comment out of context, and then complain that out of context it isn’t clear what I meant? I said that 'systems geographically based involve a great deal of governance’ as a straight rejoinder to the idea that we should go for the geographic proposal because ‘we need in the future no Internet Governance’. > Could David provide an analysis comparing the two systems with pro and cons, data and figures? No, because one is a purely notional proposal lacking any detail, but I can definitely say that the geographical organisation of the telephone and postal systems has not resulted in them being free of the need for governance. Rather, the ITU and IPU seem to spend a lot of time on governance of those systems, and then there is a lot of governance at the local level in addition. > David recommended to ask ITU for feedbacks on regional and national governance. Another taste for sarcasm it seems. I would have characterised it as ‘dismissively pointing out the obvious’, but you can call it sarcasm if you want. It remains both true and obvious that communications systems that are organised on a geographic basis still seem to involve a great deal of governance at both the global and national level. Cheers David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was merely agreeing with Stephane, and am not at all upset honestly. > > As to what is indeed ripe for further decentralisation in an age of Things and other Non-Person Entities with their own Internet addresses among other attributes, that is a better question; but still not quite on target I humbly suggest. > > We are nearing release of v0.4 of the Open Specifications Model, which is completely virtualized and hence decentralized by its nature from cloud to edge; that model incorporates - everything - at all OSI layers, physical or virtual; and beyond. Which exists now, or can exist in the future. v0.3 is here: > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274754770_Open_Specifications_Model_v0.3_Wireless_Grids_Internet_of_Things_Technical_Requirements > Students, faculty and firms from every continent save Antarctica have contributed already, as have many governmental and community organizations. > > We are admittedly still far from v1.0, so plenty of time for folks to dive in and contribute in the Open Specification Model's formative phases. > > Some of you may recall we have shared every version from the beginning with the Internet Governance Caucus; and that this model builds on civil society values as exemplified by its incorporating the Charter on Internet Rights and Principles into v0.3. > > Open innovation communities - wherever - we anticipate will (continue) to contribute to its further evolution, just as for example IGF and its dynamic coalitions on Internet Rights and Principles, and on Internet of Things, are being - synchronized/incorporated into the model itself. Without asking Wolfgang;s or anyone's permission. : ) > > In sum, I am not at all upset, just +1'd Stephane's attempt to - politely educate - others who imho are asking off-target questions displaying to be frank, their misunderstanding. Assuming the target is open/permissionless Internet innovation, wherever, more or less same as it ever was, but now with many many more contributing; that is in that sense further decetralized. > > But this time around with hopefully better security and privacy for data & things to keep bad bots and other malicious actors from stealing your bits, identity, or other resources; and with civil society values baked into the model itself. > > To be clear, what I am suggesting is you, and others are free to add on to the Open Specifications Model further features and attributes as you wish, without needing to wade into the spheres or domains of IETF, ICANN or RIR allocation processes, since after all who really cares about autonomous systems and networks when their key feature from an Internet point of view is that they -- recognize and pass bits as the sender requested? If interested in further information on autonomous systems, this article from Geoff Huston does a good job explaining the mechanics and references the relevant RFCs if further study of that aspect of the Intenet architecture is of interest. > > Happy to elaborate further, or provide further links, if so requested. > > In any case when v0.4 is good to go, we will pass links to that along with 5 or 6 use cases, and open code, to the IGC list; should anyone desire to build one's own open cyberphysical Internet of ....without asking anyone's permission. > > Lee > > > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org on behalf of Jean-Christophe Nothias > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:59 PM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Jefsey > Cc: willi uebelherr; Paul Wilson; 1net.org discuss; 0net.org discuss; BestBits; APC forum; IUF brasil; WSF discuss; Nw Labour discuss > Subject: Re: [governance] The decentralization of IP addresses > > Dear lists, > > A view among others. > > I note that this topic of 'the decentralization of IP addresses', even though a few have mocked the questioner and the question, is raising some debate. I was asking myself why do we suddenly have some activity as regards to Willy's wishes and questioning? > > Let us see what this thread has to say so far: > - Suresh very briefly summarized Willy's views by calling for an end to confusion between TCP/IP and the Postal service. A sarcasm to the least. Too bad, Suresh doesn't mention the fact that ITU is handling a non geographical space of futurist and strategic importance i.e. the Space, and its many satellites - another technology inherited from the Telegraph century?! ITU the organization helping dummies inhabiting the atmosphere to communicate with us, the grounded. > - David gave some more detailed thoughts about "understanding names and numbers". Saying that names are abstractions is fine, but short of clarity; writing that 'systems geographically based involve a great deal of governance' is also confusing. It is not clear if David meant that today IPs are living their life with no governance at all, or if a different model for handling IPs would be such a burden on economic or technological grounds. Could David provide an analysis comparing the two systems with pro and cons, data and figures? David recommended to ask ITU for feedbacks on regional and national governance. Another taste for sarcasm it seems. Acknowledging that Willy's ideas were raising 'lot of questions', David noted that 'many of us would disagree with quite a few of Willy's assumptions as both misguided in their intent, and based on some fairly basic misunderstandings'. That makes a lot of assumptions for David to counter Willy's assumptions. > - Suresh joined again to highlight David's mention of ITU: 'such proposals have been floating around ITU circles for a great many years". Probably another terrible plot by the villains in Geneva! > - Cedric asked: '...would it not be premature to assume other models cannot exist, and that managing an address space (or certification such as PKI) always has to require any central or hierarchical co-ordination?' > - Chantal provided a link to Louis's work, getting us back to the origins and basics of transmitting data in a network of networks. Still working today. > - Paul provided a reference - not mentioning that it was a link to a post he wrote - challenging ITU's work about IPs; to no one's surprise he advocated against it or any attempt to change the system. The post is very long but it doesn't necessarily mean that Paul is right. Paul emphasized the absence of geography for IPs, even though the network of networks is made of networks geographically established in national boundaries and under national jurisdictions, something that hasn't destroyed the idea of INTER-connected NETworks - to the contrary. Maybe I should simply write that the Internet is an international network of national networks, therefore with a lot of geographic national bounds and boundaries. When Paul concludes his blog he notes: 'The structure of today's Internet is a geography of independent networks around the world' - he omits to indicate the national specification and very nature of these networks - 'with transparent borders allowing traffic to flow freely between any pair of locations'. Such narrative should sounds like poetry to many techos, - and to me as well - and its allegoric style should not forbid us to challenge what seems to be well established (see jfc's email for that). Indeed there are many ways to flow freely between any pair of locations" wIth or without the current DNS, or within the current DNS. Here again a lot of assumptions. > - By then Nick argued that they were other profound issues 'threatening the network', and therefore, we should all stop discussing Willy's question and views. Obviously Nick's comment does not exactly bring substance to the thread. On a personal note, I am sure everyone on these lists is quite able to decide whether or not to enter any debate, to their best judgement. Calling for an end to a debate (which is having a few guns exchanging shots) is relatively surprising for someone from the business industry so prompt to call for protection of freedom of expression, human rights, and who has seen himself as the next ICANN's CEO with some self confidence. (I know this a bad habit among self-(s)elected folks). By the way, how would you label folks calling for stopping debating? Democrats, yes that must the right word. > - 'srs' came in with an interesting IP technologist's quote: 'IP addresses, though randomly allocated, could easily be listed on a per country basis by the Agencies. Existing filtering system does this with zero need to reallocate anything...' > - Stéphane who's used to demonstrate his googling of RFCs had this to ask to the lists: "When are we too polite?" His answer was compelling: his message was saying something like be gross and mean. Stéphane didn't give any RFC number to support his contra 'too polite' stance. > - Barry would call his great sense of humor to keep the debate open, ironically calling for a multistakeholder bottom-up trick to solve the issue. Just need to read Barry once to make sure you have respect for geography. > - Lee was happy with Stéphane's contra 'too polite' stance and used a '+1'. Both must be very upset with the question. > - Lately, 'jfc' would somehow support Stéphane's critic of Willy's clarity, but would be kind enough to clearly support what he sees as a decent ITU investigation. 'jfc' provided two excellent RFC references to support his support. > > I see a couple of interesting points being made here. > > First, could people provide a link to ITU investigation, and a link to a source describing the current governance for IPs. At least for those who are not so acquainted. > > Second, I wonder why Willy and his question create such a fuss. Many hypothesis. One seems to be the role of the 'decentralizing' idea in the questioning. In fact, most pro status quo folks (aligned with multistakeholderists) are professing an already decentralized Internet. 'Therefore how could we decentralize an already decentralized system?', they seem to ask. According to them, this doesn't make sense, and must be defeated as pure non sense. So maybe the question is some sort of major embarras de principe. Maybe then the basic solution is to kill the question for it would be insane, confusing, impossible, unreadable, part of another ITU temptation to grab power - please feel free to be unpolite - ... The question seems unbearable. When it is not, at least on technical and public policy grounds. But of course, there are other hypothesis. > > Third, challenging the Internet architecture seems to be a red line, something that no multistakeholder/status quo champion could ever discuss, debate, think of. They should think twice. And not because of the ITU, but because of the US obstructive stance, and because technology calls for innovation and disruption. (Thanks to jfc for the RFCs on this). IPs can obviously be distributed on a national basis - maybe not the best system - but that is doable. Of course, an NGO located in one of these evil, rogues or villain states will put its digital content behind IPs located out of their unfriendly homeland. > > Here, we are talking Internet architecture, the political and societal impacts it has, and the rules it obeys to, and not just its beauty code. Of course, we have many pending Internet governance issues, something that will be demonstrated sometime in NY in December, but let's stop talking about 'digital Human Rights' for a sec. (Alec Ross once said to me that they didn't exist, as they were invented to serve a greater purpose: the US interests) > > There is an IP/root-zone/DNS governing model behind the current status quo. For the time being, it leads us to IETF/IAB for the most part, and to RFCs for the historic part. We all know that IANA's transfer is a kind of écran de fumée when the real power lies beyond it. Giving IANA from ICANN under NTIA/DoC/USG to ICANN without NTIA/DoC/USG won't make a difference. A true decentralization (in terms of coordination) would create a new set of governance, not just bring one to a space that used to live without one centralized governing set of rules. I am convinced that technology would be happy to adapt, as a neutral thing - it loves to be challenged anyway. Some will even argue that IANA and ICANN are not critical resources when it comes to Internet architecture. I tend to agree, as ICANN/IANA are valets to the architects, or guardian of the current DNS aspect of the architecture. The network of networks is fragmented by nature, but it is/looks a coherent and fluid space - thanks to Louis and followers for making this possible. As regards to the current DNS, things could be set otherwise, still coherent and fluid, two qualities that are not enough for us who ask for more social justice, democratic regulation, transparency... Tomorrow we could have a multi-rooted Internet. We (the users as the real Internet community) would simply have different concierges: each user would be offered a choice at any time to chose his/her concierge (Emilio Iccano, Pedro Oproot, Marcello NameSpace, Willy Uncleario...). Browsers would allow users to chose which root concierge they want to use at anytime. Of course, concierge with special connection to mass surveillance paranoids might lose the favor of the public. If the NSA would catch a few nihilists, that would greatly help to justify the billion they cost to the US taxpayer. Soon some geeks/startups/companies will make profits out of such ideas. We don't need ICANN to live and navigate the Internet. ICANN is only one out of many solutions. ICANN's power comes from the fact that there is promiscuity and connivence between the commercial and security US players. ICANN has a monopolistic nature because some commercial giants, and security folks need it. Of course, ICANN et al claim that any competitor would disrupt and fragment the Internet. Which is of course a fairytale. Maybe we shouldn't bother as over the next decade some geeks will ruin the DNS as we know it. > > The ones telling us that we need to fight any attempt to broke what works so well, simply omit to tell us that the Internet architecture can be different and more consistent with all of what many of us are advocating here, with more responsibility, with more competition, more innovation, more distributive power at local and community level, with greater respect of our Rights. The overall vision of an Internet being un-fragmented is propagated by the ones who wish to protect giants and tyrants's sovereignty on markets and people. The digital economic war now raging over the planet will only drive to the dismantlement of the existing fortress, de facto monopole, tyranny of a few. The US policy, strictly applied by his pet followers (Sweden, UK, Japan, Canada, and the commonwealth - love this name), is there to preserve its interests. > > Decentralization is needed (a real one) in a revised global legal framework to protect it, and the people's rights and their own conception of what are the new Commons. Such a legal framework, an international law would hold part of it as far as governments are concerned, would distribute more responsibility, competition, better protect rights, and it would also drive economic wealth in a more distributed way, not just to the big players imposing their rules (not to confuse with regulation). Since it exists, Google has greatly contributed to kill pluralism in the media landscape. Who cares? Thanks to its financial torque, it has bought for itself intellectual rights to part of the human legacy in health, literature, science... Who cares? The game is to capture audiences, one way or another, as famously and appropriately put by Susan Crawford. This means more centralization, more concentration. This is not what the founders of Internet dreamt of - I am referring to the academic folks who invented it, with no multistakeholder process behind them, and before the USG took control in 1998. > > Instead the US should start setting a competitive digital world with more root concierges (for more TLDs). That would demonstrate and protect a diversity and plurality of languages, culture, traditions, media, markets, still under interoperable norms and regulations (sorry I could not avoid to use that ugly word). A multi-rooted Internet would offer more search engines, neutral and less commercially biased ones. A multi-rooted approach would also be complementary to a multipolar, fluid and decentralized Internet. A multi-rooted approach would help achieve an alternative Internet with an immediate more balanced governance, with interoperability and competitive approaches, with no tyrants to dominate others, in the interest of users around the planet. IPs are IPS, and content are located at IPs. So asking to different concierge would fragment nothing, except the current monopoles. The surveillance and commercial ones. Something we would love the US to be the champions of. Something for a New Frontiers president. (Someone is telling me that the guy exists but that he was assassinated by his fellow countrymen - the country of the Free with the record number of assassinated presidents). So let's wait for the next New Frontiers president to emerge. In the US, or anywhere else. Or let's use what we already have at hand. > > So indeed, it seems that behind the "decentralization of", there is a lot to be concerned with. > > The decentralization question is helping to deconstruct the fairytale of a decentralized and ungovernable Internet that we have been given for granted over the last 17 years since 1998. > > JC > > Le 29 nov. 2015 à 08:19, Jefsey a écrit : > >> >>> At 18:23 28/11/2015, willi uebelherr wrote: >>>> many thanks for your reference. For your constructive participation in this discussion. >>> >>> At 20:36 28/11/2015, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >>> Your texts are impossible to understand, and the little that is >>> understandable is hopelessly confused. Your proposal is "not even >>> false" (by which I mean it is not possible to make sense of it, and >>> then to determine if it's true or false.) >> >> Willi, >> >> This being said, having been in charge for several years (1982/1986) >> of the global DNIC based X.121 addressing implementation, I supported >> 10 years ago the ITU _investigation_ (it was not a proposition). >> >> Why? Because we will necessarily move into a more open world once the >> 1986-2013 "status-quo" culture has progressively unfrozen through >> experimentation and (now technically correct) "permissionless innovation". >> >> The difference between the "ITU/RIRs" period and the post ICANN >> leadership evolution should be the multiplication of registries >> (continents, nations, RFC 6852 global communities, ISO/IEC 11179, >> etc.) and types of numbering plans. >> >> The same as 15 years ago they documented why new TLDs would spoil the >> nets. At that time no one considered possibilities such as SixXS, nor >> an RFC 6852 pleading for the technology to be driven by markets >> economics, nor the IETF to consensually accepting to be bound to the >> ICANN "global community" and subject to NTIA review. >> >> Now, I suggest you at least read two RFCs: >> >> 1. RFC 1958 "architectural principles of the Internet". Its first >> section is named "Constat change". It starts stating: " In searching >> for Internet architectural principles, we must remember that technical >> change is continuous in the information technology industry. The >> Internet reflects this. ... Principles that seemed inviolable a few >> years ago are deprecated today. Principles that seem sacred today will >> be deprecated tomorrow. The principle of constant change is perhaps >> the only principle of the Internet that should survive indefinitely." >> >> 2. RFC 3439 states " The implication for carrier IP networks then, is >> that to be successful we must drive our architectures and designs >> toward the simplest possible solutions." >> >> >> jfc >> >>> Am 28/11/2015 um 08:51 a.m. schrieb Paul Wilson: >>>> For reference, here's an article on this topic, written 10 years ago in >>>> response to an ITU proposal for geographic/nationalised management of >>>> IPv6 address space. >>>> >>>> http://www.circleid.com/posts/the_geography_of_internet_addressing >>>> >>>> Paul. >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From jeanchristophe.nothias at gmail.com Mon Nov 30 02:00:53 2015 From: jeanchristophe.nothias at gmail.com (Jean-Christophe Nothias) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 08:00:53 +0100 Subject: [governance] The decentralization of IP addresses In-Reply-To: <1448845879579.75739@syr.edu> References: <56577058.1000008@riseup.net> <5659E2F9.5040707@riseup.net> , <1448845879579.75739@syr.edu> Message-ID: Hi Lee, Most interesting Thanks JC Le 30 nov. 2015 à 02:11, Lee W McKnight a écrit : > Hi Jean-Christophe , > > I appreciate your effort to summarize many conversations across many threads, from your point of view. > > But as to your interpretation that my +1 = 'very upset'; I beg to differ. I was merely agreeing with Stephane, and am not at all upset honestly. > > As to what is indeed ripe for further decentralisation in an age of Things and other Non-Person Entities with their own Internet addresses among other attributes, that is a better question; but still not quite on target I humbly suggest. > > We are nearing release of v0.4 of the Open Specifications Model, which is completely virtualized and hence decentralized by its nature from cloud to edge; that model incorporates - everything - at all OSI layers, physical or virtual; and beyond. Which exists now, or can exist in the future. v0.3 is here: > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274754770_Open_Specifications_Model_v0.3_Wireless_Grids_Internet_of_Things_Technical_Requirements > Students, faculty and firms from every continent save Antarctica have contributed already, as have many governmental and community organizations. > > We are admittedly still far from v1.0, so plenty of time for folks to dive in and contribute in the Open Specification Model's formative phases. > > Some of you may recall we have shared every version from the beginning with the Internet Governance Caucus; and that this model builds on civil society values as exemplified by its incorporating the Charter on Internet Rights and Principles into v0.3. > > Open innovation communities - wherever - we anticipate will (continue) to contribute to its further evolution, just as for example IGF and its dynamic coalitions on Internet Rights and Principles, and on Internet of Things, are being - synchronized/incorporated into the model itself. Without asking Wolfgang;s or anyone's permission. : ) > > In sum, I am not at all upset, just +1'd Stephane's attempt to - politely educate - others who imho are asking off-target questions displaying to be frank, their misunderstanding. Assuming the target is open/permissionless Internet innovation, wherever, more or less same as it ever was, but now with many many more contributing; that is in that sense further decetralized. > > But this time around with hopefully better security and privacy for data & things to keep bad bots and other malicious actors from stealing your bits, identity, or other resources; and with civil society values baked into the model itself. > > To be clear, what I am suggesting is you, and others are free to add on to the Open Specifications Model further features and attributes as you wish, without needing to wade into the spheres or domains of IETF, ICANN or RIR allocation processes, since after all who really cares about autonomous systems and networks when their key feature from an Internet point of view is that they -- recognize and pass bits as the sender requested? If interested in further information on autonomous systems, this article from Geoff Huston does a good job explaining the mechanics and references the relevant RFCs if further study of that aspect of the Intenet architecture is of interest. > > Happy to elaborate further, or provide further links, if so requested. > > In any case when v0.4 is good to go, we will pass links to that along with 5 or 6 use cases, and open code, to the IGC list; should anyone desire to build one's own open cyberphysical Internet of ....without asking anyone's permission. > > Lee > > > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org on behalf of Jean-Christophe Nothias > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:59 PM > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Jefsey > Cc: willi uebelherr; Paul Wilson; 1net.org discuss; 0net.org discuss; BestBits; APC forum; IUF brasil; WSF discuss; Nw Labour discuss > Subject: Re: [governance] The decentralization of IP addresses > > Dear lists, > > A view among others. > > I note that this topic of 'the decentralization of IP addresses', even though a few have mocked the questioner and the question, is raising some debate. I was asking myself why do we suddenly have some activity as regards to Willy's wishes and questioning? > > Let us see what this thread has to say so far: > - Suresh very briefly summarized Willy's views by calling for an end to confusion between TCP/IP and the Postal service. A sarcasm to the least. Too bad, Suresh doesn't mention the fact that ITU is handling a non geographical space of futurist and strategic importance i.e. the Space, and its many satellites - another technology inherited from the Telegraph century?! ITU the organization helping dummies inhabiting the atmosphere to communicate with us, the grounded. > - David gave some more detailed thoughts about "understanding names and numbers". Saying that names are abstractions is fine, but short of clarity; writing that 'systems geographically based involve a great deal of governance' is also confusing. It is not clear if David meant that today IPs are living their life with no governance at all, or if a different model for handling IPs would be such a burden on economic or technological grounds. Could David provide an analysis comparing the two systems with pro and cons, data and figures? David recommended to ask ITU for feedbacks on regional and national governance. Another taste for sarcasm it seems. Acknowledging that Willy's ideas were raising 'lot of questions', David noted that 'many of us would disagree with quite a few of Willy's assumptions as both misguided in their intent, and based on some fairly basic misunderstandings'. That makes a lot of assumptions for David to counter Willy's assumptions. > - Suresh joined again to highlight David's mention of ITU: 'such proposals have been floating around ITU circles for a great many years". Probably another terrible plot by the villains in Geneva! > - Cedric asked: '...would it not be premature to assume other models cannot exist, and that managing an address space (or certification such as PKI) always has to require any central or hierarchical co-ordination?' > - Chantal provided a link to Louis's work, getting us back to the origins and basics of transmitting data in a network of networks. Still working today. > - Paul provided a reference - not mentioning that it was a link to a post he wrote - challenging ITU's work about IPs; to no one's surprise he advocated against it or any attempt to change the system. The post is very long but it doesn't necessarily mean that Paul is right. Paul emphasized the absence of geography for IPs, even though the network of networks is made of networks geographically established in national boundaries and under national jurisdictions, something that hasn't destroyed the idea of INTER-connected NETworks - to the contrary. Maybe I should simply write that the Internet is an international network of national networks, therefore with a lot of geographic national bounds and boundaries. When Paul concludes his blog he notes: 'The structure of today's Internet is a geography of independent networks around the world' - he omits to indicate the national specification and very nature of these networks - 'with transparent borders allowing traffic to flow freely between any pair of locations'. Such narrative should sounds like poetry to many techos, - and to me as well - and its allegoric style should not forbid us to challenge what seems to be well established (see jfc's email for that). Indeed there are many ways to flow freely between any pair of locations" wIth or without the current DNS, or within the current DNS. Here again a lot of assumptions. > - By then Nick argued that they were other profound issues 'threatening the network', and therefore, we should all stop discussing Willy's question and views. Obviously Nick's comment does not exactly bring substance to the thread. On a personal note, I am sure everyone on these lists is quite able to decide whether or not to enter any debate, to their best judgement. Calling for an end to a debate (which is having a few guns exchanging shots) is relatively surprising for someone from the business industry so prompt to call for protection of freedom of expression, human rights, and who has seen himself as the next ICANN's CEO with some self confidence. (I know this a bad habit among self-(s)elected folks). By the way, how would you label folks calling for stopping debating? Democrats, yes that must the right word. > - 'srs' came in with an interesting IP technologist's quote: 'IP addresses, though randomly allocated, could easily be listed on a per country basis by the Agencies. Existing filtering system does this with zero need to reallocate anything...' > - Stéphane who's used to demonstrate his googling of RFCs had this to ask to the lists: "When are we too polite?" His answer was compelling: his message was saying something like be gross and mean. Stéphane didn't give any RFC number to support his contra 'too polite' stance. > - Barry would call his great sense of humor to keep the debate open, ironically calling for a multistakeholder bottom-up trick to solve the issue. Just need to read Barry once to make sure you have respect for geography. > - Lee was happy with Stéphane's contra 'too polite' stance and used a '+1'. Both must be very upset with the question. > - Lately, 'jfc' would somehow support Stéphane's critic of Willy's clarity, but would be kind enough to clearly support what he sees as a decent ITU investigation. 'jfc' provided two excellent RFC references to support his support. > > I see a couple of interesting points being made here. > > First, could people provide a link to ITU investigation, and a link to a source describing the current governance for IPs. At least for those who are not so acquainted. > > Second, I wonder why Willy and his question create such a fuss. Many hypothesis. One seems to be the role of the 'decentralizing' idea in the questioning. In fact, most pro status quo folks (aligned with multistakeholderists) are professing an already decentralized Internet. 'Therefore how could we decentralize an already decentralized system?', they seem to ask. According to them, this doesn't make sense, and must be defeated as pure non sense. So maybe the question is some sort of major embarras de principe. Maybe then the basic solution is to kill the question for it would be insane, confusing, impossible, unreadable, part of another ITU temptation to grab power - please feel free to be unpolite - ... The question seems unbearable. When it is not, at least on technical and public policy grounds. But of course, there are other hypothesis. > > Third, challenging the Internet architecture seems to be a red line, something that no multistakeholder/status quo champion could ever discuss, debate, think of. They should think twice. And not because of the ITU, but because of the US obstructive stance, and because technology calls for innovation and disruption. (Thanks to jfc for the RFCs on this). IPs can obviously be distributed on a national basis - maybe not the best system - but that is doable. Of course, an NGO located in one of these evil, rogues or villain states will put its digital content behind IPs located out of their unfriendly homeland. > > Here, we are talking Internet architecture, the political and societal impacts it has, and the rules it obeys to, and not just its beauty code. Of course, we have many pending Internet governance issues, something that will be demonstrated sometime in NY in December, but let's stop talking about 'digital Human Rights' for a sec. (Alec Ross once said to me that they didn't exist, as they were invented to serve a greater purpose: the US interests) > > There is an IP/root-zone/DNS governing model behind the current status quo. For the time being, it leads us to IETF/IAB for the most part, and to RFCs for the historic part. We all know that IANA's transfer is a kind of écran de fumée when the real power lies beyond it. Giving IANA from ICANN under NTIA/DoC/USG to ICANN without NTIA/DoC/USG won't make a difference. A true decentralization (in terms of coordination) would create a new set of governance, not just bring one to a space that used to live without one centralized governing set of rules. I am convinced that technology would be happy to adapt, as a neutral thing - it loves to be challenged anyway. Some will even argue that IANA and ICANN are not critical resources when it comes to Internet architecture. I tend to agree, as ICANN/IANA are valets to the architects, or guardian of the current DNS aspect of the architecture. The network of networks is fragmented by nature, but it is/looks a coherent and fluid space - thanks to Louis and followers for making this possible. As regards to the current DNS, things could be set otherwise, still coherent and fluid, two qualities that are not enough for us who ask for more social justice, democratic regulation, transparency... Tomorrow we could have a multi-rooted Internet. We (the users as the real Internet community) would simply have different concierges: each user would be offered a choice at any time to chose his/her concierge (Emilio Iccano, Pedro Oproot, Marcello NameSpace, Willy Uncleario...). Browsers would allow users to chose which root concierge they want to use at anytime. Of course, concierge with special connection to mass surveillance paranoids might lose the favor of the public. If the NSA would catch a few nihilists, that would greatly help to justify the billion they cost to the US taxpayer. Soon some geeks/startups/companies will make profits out of such ideas. We don't need ICANN to live and navigate the Internet. ICANN is only one out of many solutions. ICANN's power comes from the fact that there is promiscuity and connivence between the commercial and security US players. ICANN has a monopolistic nature because some commercial giants, and security folks need it. Of course, ICANN et al claim that any competitor would disrupt and fragment the Internet. Which is of course a fairytale. Maybe we shouldn't bother as over the next decade some geeks will ruin the DNS as we know it. > > The ones telling us that we need to fight any attempt to broke what works so well, simply omit to tell us that the Internet architecture can be different and more consistent with all of what many of us are advocating here, with more responsibility, with more competition, more innovation, more distributive power at local and community level, with greater respect of our Rights. The overall vision of an Internet being un-fragmented is propagated by the ones who wish to protect giants and tyrants's sovereignty on markets and people. The digital economic war now raging over the planet will only drive to the dismantlement of the existing fortress, de facto monopole, tyranny of a few. The US policy, strictly applied by his pet followers (Sweden, UK, Japan, Canada, and the commonwealth - love this name), is there to preserve its interests. > > Decentralization is needed (a real one) in a revised global legal framework to protect it, and the people's rights and their own conception of what are the new Commons. Such a legal framework, an international law would hold part of it as far as governments are concerned, would distribute more responsibility, competition, better protect rights, and it would also drive economic wealth in a more distributed way, not just to the big players imposing their rules (not to confuse with regulation). Since it exists, Google has greatly contributed to kill pluralism in the media landscape. Who cares? Thanks to its financial torque, it has bought for itself intellectual rights to part of the human legacy in health, literature, science... Who cares? The game is to capture audiences, one way or another, as famously and appropriately put by Susan Crawford. This means more centralization, more concentration. This is not what the founders of Internet dreamt of - I am referring to the academic folks who invented it, with no multistakeholder process behind them, and before the USG took control in 1998. > > Instead the US should start setting a competitive digital world with more root concierges (for more TLDs). That would demonstrate and protect a diversity and plurality of languages, culture, traditions, media, markets, still under interoperable norms and regulations (sorry I could not avoid to use that ugly word). A multi-rooted Internet would offer more search engines, neutral and less commercially biased ones. A multi-rooted approach would also be complementary to a multipolar, fluid and decentralized Internet. A multi-rooted approach would help achieve an alternative Internet with an immediate more balanced governance, with interoperability and competitive approaches, with no tyrants to dominate others, in the interest of users around the planet. IPs are IPS, and content are located at IPs. So asking to different concierge would fragment nothing, except the current monopoles. The surveillance and commercial ones. Something we would love the US to be the champions of. Something for a New Frontiers president. (Someone is telling me that the guy exists but that he was assassinated by his fellow countrymen - the country of the Free with the record number of assassinated presidents). So let's wait for the next New Frontiers president to emerge. In the US, or anywhere else. Or let's use what we already have at hand. > > So indeed, it seems that behind the "decentralization of", there is a lot to be concerned with. > > The decentralization question is helping to deconstruct the fairytale of a decentralized and ungovernable Internet that we have been given for granted over the last 17 years since 1998. > > JC > > Le 29 nov. 2015 à 08:19, Jefsey a écrit : > >> >>> At 18:23 28/11/2015, willi uebelherr wrote: >>>> many thanks for your reference. For your constructive participation in this discussion. >>> >>> At 20:36 28/11/2015, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >>> Your texts are impossible to understand, and the little that is >>> understandable is hopelessly confused. Your proposal is "not even >>> false" (by which I mean it is not possible to make sense of it, and >>> then to determine if it's true or false.) >> >> Willi, >> >> This being said, having been in charge for several years (1982/1986) >> of the global DNIC based X.121 addressing implementation, I supported >> 10 years ago the ITU _investigation_ (it was not a proposition). >> >> Why? Because we will necessarily move into a more open world once the >> 1986-2013 "status-quo" culture has progressively unfrozen through >> experimentation and (now technically correct) "permissionless innovation". >> >> The difference between the "ITU/RIRs" period and the post ICANN >> leadership evolution should be the multiplication of registries >> (continents, nations, RFC 6852 global communities, ISO/IEC 11179, >> etc.) and types of numbering plans. >> >> The same as 15 years ago they documented why new TLDs would spoil the >> nets. At that time no one considered possibilities such as SixXS, nor >> an RFC 6852 pleading for the technology to be driven by markets >> economics, nor the IETF to consensually accepting to be bound to the >> ICANN "global community" and subject to NTIA review. >> >> Now, I suggest you at least read two RFCs: >> >> 1. RFC 1958 "architectural principles of the Internet". Its first >> section is named "Constat change". It starts stating: " In searching >> for Internet architectural principles, we must remember that technical >> change is continuous in the information technology industry. The >> Internet reflects this. ... Principles that seemed inviolable a few >> years ago are deprecated today. Principles that seem sacred today will >> be deprecated tomorrow. The principle of constant change is perhaps >> the only principle of the Internet that should survive indefinitely." >> >> 2. RFC 3439 states " The implication for carrier IP networks then, is >> that to be successful we must drive our architectures and designs >> toward the simplest possible solutions." >> >> >> jfc >> >>> Am 28/11/2015 um 08:51 a.m. schrieb Paul Wilson: >>>> For reference, here's an article on this topic, written 10 years ago in >>>> response to an ITU proposal for geographic/nationalised management of >>>> IPv6 address space. >>>> >>>> http://www.circleid.com/posts/the_geography_of_internet_addressing >>>> >>>> Paul. >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> You received this message as a subscriber on the list: >> governance at lists.igcaucus.org >> To be removed from the list, visit: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing >> >> For all other list information and functions, see: >> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance >> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: >> http://www.igcaucus.org/ >> >> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > ____________________________________________________________ > You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance at lists.igcaucus.org > To be removed from the list, visit: > http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing > > For all other list information and functions, see: > http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance > To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: > http://www.igcaucus.org/ > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.igcaucus.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: http://www.igcaucus.org/ Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t From anriette at apc.org Mon Nov 30 09:21:00 2015 From: anriette at apc.org (Anriette Esterhuysen) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 16:21:00 +0200 Subject: [governance] Summary: All hearings/ Appeals Court upholds verdict against Khadija Ismayilova In-Reply-To: <8D2F989DD964857.023ed9136a764fcdbd45e62e50b08d16@icprobounce.com> References: <8D2F989DD964857.023ed9136a764fcdbd45e62e50b08d16@icprobounce.com> Message-ID: <565C5B4C.8000806@apc.org> This is really depressing reading. Update on Khadija who was part of civil society at the Baku IGF in 2012. One of the many local activists or journalists whose conditions have only deteriorated since then. Anriette *Appeals Court upholds verdict against Khadija Ismayilova* *Summary: Last hearing (November 25)* · At the hearing, defense counsel Fariz Namazli submitted a motion requesting that Khadija Ismayilova sit next to her lawyers; · At the hearing, defense lawyers made speeches in which they asked for Ismayilova’s acquittal; · Khadija Ismayilova made a speech explicitly linking her arrest to her work as a journalist; · The public prosecutor asked the court to uphold the judgment of the first instance court; · The Court of Appeal upheld the decision of Baku Grave Crimes Court. On November 25, the Baku Court of Appeal, chaired by the judge Ilgar Murguzov, held a hearing on the case of journalist Khadija Ismayilova. */Defense counsel’s motion: /* At the court hearing, defense counsel Fariz Namazli made a verbal motion for Khadija Ismayil to be seated next to her lawyers, to allow her to consult with them freely. The state prosecutor asked for the motion to be dismissed. The presiding judge rejected the motion, citing concerns for Khadija Ismayil's safety. Khadija Ismayilova said she wanted to consult with her lawyers. The presiding judge announced a 10-minute break, during which the defense counsels entered the glass-encased cage. Khadija Ismayilova's conversation with her lawyers took place in the presence of bailiffs. */Khadija Ismayilova's addendum to the appellate complaint/* Khadija Ismayilova submitted an addendum to the appellate complaint: "The Baku Grave Crimes Court's decision states that I do not have any property. I have decided to voluntarily provide information about the property to be confiscated: a 5-storey building in London. All the apartments on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th floors of that building are rented for 9 years by 4 companies registered in Virgin Islands. Due to the fact that property tax for foreign nationals is extremely high in that country, they were not purchased, but rented…” Ismayilova was referring to properties rented out by Leyla Aliyeva, daughter of the President. The judge turned off Khadija Ismayilova's microphone, cutting her off. */Defense counsels' speech/* Defense counsel Fariz Namazli spoke first. "It is not right to conduct the proceedings without a judicial investigation. During the preliminary hearing, we filed motions to conduct the proceeding through partial investigation, to examine the evidence that we presented to the court, but the evidence was not examined. I want to speak about the charges. According to the charge brought under Article 179.3.2 of the Criminal Code, Khadija Ismayilova arranged for a number of individuals, cooperating with Azadliq Radio under service contracts, register as payers of simplified tax instead of income tax, thereby profiting from the 10% difference between simplified tax and income tax, i.e. a total of 17,992.60 AZN. First of all, Khadija Ismayilova has not signed contracts with any of the individuals mentioned in the indictment: Hamidov Shamsaddin Rauf oglu, Babayeva Gulnara Rafig gizi, Javadova Esmira Turab gizi, Mammadov Mustajab Mutallim oglu, Nasibova Malahat Ibrahim gizi, Sadigova Gular Miryahya gizi, Hasanov Samir Mammadali oglu, Zeynalov Eldar Tahir oglu, Nasibov Ilgar Elbay oglu, Mammadli Rafig Humbat oglu and the founder and chief editor of the "Fergli Dushunje" (Different Way of Thinking) magazine Namazov Shahvalad Abutalib oglu. The case materials do not include contracts signed between Khadija Ismayilova and those individuals.” Namazli said that the contracts that the defense had presented to the court of first instance - which the court had refused to examine - showed that Javadova Esmira Turab gizi signed her contract with Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty Corporation employee Elizabeth Portale, and Namazov Shahvalad Abutalib oglu had signed his contract with the official representative of the radio's representative office, Yahya Mirzayev. According to the lawyer, the fact that an individual entrepreneur establishes working relationships with any enterprise or employer on the basis of a service contract rather than an employment contract is not contrary to the existing legislation, and there is no legal provision that prohibits this practice. Forcing the representative office to pay income tax constitutes a gross violation of the right to free enterprise provided by the Constitution of Azerbaijan Republic. “Shahvalad Namazov has registered as a physical person and obtained a TIN from the tax authorities. Radio Azadliq transferred funds to his personal account, not to the account of the magazine, which had a legal entity status. Unfortunately, the court demonstrated its poor understanding of the Law of Azerbaijan Republic on Mass Media, and, in general, a failure to grasp how radio stations, magazines and editorial offices are regulated. According to Article 14 of the Law on Mass Media, permission from state authorities is not required to establish a print publication. Any legal entity or physical person who wants to establish a print publication is obliged to apply to the relevant executive authority, the Ministry of Justice, 7 days prior to printing the publication. In his testimony provided in court, Shahvalad Chobanoglu stated that he had made such an application to the Ministry of Justice,” the lawyer added. Fariz Namazli stressed that even if there had been a violation of the law - such as a failure to sign an employment contract - Azerbaijani legislation stipulates a special responsibility for such action. He added that the Articles 179.3.2 and 308.2 – under which their client is being charged – refer to a specific person, i.e. the office holder. But Khadija Ismayilova was not responsible for finances; in other words, she was not an office holder. She was not responsible for finances while she was the head of Baku Bureau of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty. She coordinated production activity on the instructions of the management, and was exclusively engaged in production and programming work. She was not entrusted with any property or financial obligations. “In her testimony as the accused, Khadija Ismayilova noted that her employment contract does not include any clause assigning financial or administrative authority. Besides, the motion filed with the court to add the contracts signed with Javadova Esmira Turab gizi and Namazov Shahvalad Abutalib oglu to the case file and to examine them was rejected without any legal justification. But those contracts once again confirmed that they were not signed by Khadija Ismayilova. Article 192.2.2 of the Criminal Code deals with illegal entrepreneurship committed by making a large amount of income. RFE/RL Inc. is a non-profit company funded by US Congress and has not engaged in any business activity since its establishment. The information on the Radio's website says that Radio Liberty is a non-commercial organization funded by the US Congress. Radio Liberty's mission is to support democratic values and institutions by disseminating news and ideas. Entrepreneurship is a completely different concept and its features have been described in various legislative acts,” emphasized Namazli. The lawyer also noted that under the 30 December 2008 decision of the National Television and Radio Council, the FM frequency given to Radio Azadliq was revoked on 1 January 2009. At this point, Radio Azadliq ceased its FM broadcasts. Namazli said that obtaining or extending a license was part of the job description of the head of the Baku Bureau, and therefore, the charges against Khadija Ismayilova in this regard are biased and unfair. “As to charges concerning the failure to gain accreditation with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Azerbaijan Republic, we would like to note that in 2010-2014 Khadija Ismayilova cooperated with Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty on the basis of a service contract and was not an employee of that radio station or any foreign or local media outlet. She operated as an independent journalist selling her investigative stories to a number of media outlets, including Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty. There is no basis on which the tax evasion charge can be brought against Khadija Ismayilova as the head of the Baku Bureau, because, as noted above, the head of the Baku Bureau did not have administrative or financial authority. Therefore she was not liable for payment of taxes and social payments. Based on the foregoing, we request that Khadija Ismayilova be acquitted,” concluded Fariz Namazli. After that, lawyer Javad Javadov gave his speech. “At the Baku Grave Crimes Court, we presented the decision on the case "ANS versus Ministry of Taxes" as legal precedent. In that case, the signing of service contracts instead of employment contracts with employees was considered illegal by the Ministry of Taxes. However, all court instances considered the Tax Ministry's claim unfounded and ruled that the Tax Ministry's decision was contrary to Article 300 of the Civil Code. However, the Grave Crimes Court did not accept that decision. The court of first instance has not conducted a fair investigation. We do not believe either that it would be conducted fairly here,” Javad Javadov said. Next, lawyer Fakhraddin Mehdiyev made a speech. “Initially, the criminal case was launched under Article 125. After Tural Mustafayev said that he had filed the complaint under duress, the investigating authority saw that continuing this case could lead to serious consequences. Therefore, charges related to economic offenses were added. The investigating authority committed serious violations. In order for Article 179 to be relevant there must be a victim, but in this case, there is no victim. There is no victim and no damage. At the court of first instance we filed 35 motions, none of which were granted. Nor have our motions in this court been granted. This proves that the case is biased. The Grave Crimes Court violated Khadija Ismayilova’s right to a fair trial provided for in the European Convention. The court's decision is a serious blemish on Azerbaijan's image. This will lead the judges of European Human Rights Court to make a decision that will be a shock for them...” */Khadija Ismayilova’s speech/* After that, Khadija Ismayilova made a speech: “You do not have the tolerance to listen to free speech. Whoever is in control of the microphone turns it off whenever he wants. This country is ruled by mob law. /(At this point, the judge turned off the microphone again)./ At the court of first instance, I requested that the head of the Anti-Terror Department of the Ministry of National Security, Ilgar Aliyev be interrogated. He directly supervised my case. /(At this point, the judge turned off the microphone again)/. You are too old to play with buttons. I am talking on the charges. I was not the head of Azerbaijani Bureau of Radio Liberty. I was the head of Baku Bureau. The charges should have been brought against the Azerbaijani representation, not against me. This is the US Secretary of State John Kerry. Ask him whatever questions you have. I am also charged with failing to gain accreditation. You gain accreditation in order to be able to attend state events. But I was never invited [to state events], because they knew that I would ask them difficult questions. If they do not let me attend the events held in the country, why should I go and obtain accreditation? The prosecutor's office has written a 16-ton indictment, which does not include a single fact. /(Laughing)/ And yes, I should also say that the property in London, which I mentioned at the beginning of my speech, is not in my name, but in Leyla Aliyeva's. (/At this point, the judge turned off the microphone again and cut off Khadija Ismayil’s speech/). After this, the public prosecutor made a speech and requested that the verdict of the first instance court be upheld. The Court of Appeal ruled to uphold the Baku Grave Crimes Court verdict of 1 September 2015. Background: Khadija Ismayil was arrested on 5 December 2014. She was initially charged under article 125 of the Criminal Code (driving to suicide). Later, she faced new charges under articles 179 (misappropriation), 192.2 (illegal entrepreneurship), 213.2 (tax evasion) and 308.2 (abuse of official powers). On September 1, the court acquitted Khadija Ismayil of the charge filed under Article 125 of the Criminal Code of Azerbaijan Republic (incitment to suicide). However, the court found her guilty under Articles 179.3.2 (misappropriation and waste on a large scale), 192.2.2 (illegal entrepreneurship), 213.1 (tax evasion) and 308.2 (abuse of official powers) and sentenced her to 7.5 years in jail and a 3-year ban from holding certain positions or engaging in certain activities. Amnesty International has recognized Khadija Ismayil as a prisoner of conscience. *Dispatches from Khadija Ismayilova’s trial* *Khadija Ismayilova’s trial: court orders alleged victim Tural Mustafayev to attend* _Summary: Hearing 2 (7 __August 2015)_ · Tural Mustafayev, officially deemed a victim in the case, did not attend the hearing; consequently the court issued an order requiring his presence; · The public prosecutor announced the final part of the indictment against Khadija Ismayilova, who stated that the charges were unclear to her; · Ismayilova testified, and rejected the charges. She told the court that she had never held any administrative authority at Radio Azadliq (Radio Liberty’s Azerbaijani Service); · A witness for the prosecution, Aynur Imranova, was questioned and told the court that Ismayilova was innocent and that Tural Mustafayev suffered from mental health issues. She also stated that she had been pressured by investigators to incriminate Ismayilova in her statement; · Tural Mustafayev’s ex-fiancée, lawyer Rovshana Rahimli testified; · The former head of Radio Liberty’s Baku Office, Babak Bakir, told the court that neither he nor Ismayilova had dealt with contractual or financial matters, and these issues were managed by the Prague headquarters of Radio Liberty. On 7 August, the Baku Court of Grave Crimes heard the case of journalist Khadija Ismayilova. Judge Ramella Allahverdiyeva presided over the hearing. Although a large crowd of people arrived to see the journalist’s trial, the courtroom was filled with people who had no obvious interest in the trial or its participants, while others were denied entry. Only representatives of the US, German and French embassies were allowed in. Ismayilova filed a motion to allow members of the public and journalists to enter the courtroom, aimed at upholding the principle of judicial openness. However, her motion was denied. The defence lawyers, in turn, objected to the composition of the court on the grounds that (1) Ismayilova’s motion had been rejected and (2) that the court required that the witnesses be questioned before the alleged victim. However, this motion was also rejected. _Defence motions_ The defence filed a motion to allow the journalist to sit next to her lawyers, but this was denied, on the grounds that Ismayilova was being held inside the glass cage for her own safety. A second defence motion addressed the issue of financial authority and liability. Because the Radio Liberty Azerbaijani service (RL) had an account with the Azerbaijan International Bank (AIB), argued the defence, an inquiry must be sent to the AIB to establish whether they had held Ismayilova’s sample signature as the head of RL’s Baku Bureau, and/or payment orders bearing her signature intended for the conduct of financial operations. The lawyers filed another motion requesting the court to add the decisions on opening and suspending the tax inspection in RL’s Baku Office to the case file. The motions were denied. _Announcement of the indictment_ Public prosecutor Ramazan Hadiyev announced the concluding section of the indictment. He noted that after finding out that Tural Mustafayev was engaged to another woman and despite knowing that he had attempted suicide, Ismayilova prevented him from gaining employment at RFE/RL’s Azerbaijani service in order to render him financially dependent on her, thereby humiliating his dignity. The prosecutor also stated that from 1 July 2008 until 1 January 2009, Ismayilova hired employees for RL’s Baku Office, acts which due to RL’s unlicensed status, constituted illegal entrepreneurship (generating 335,880 AZN in revenue). Ismayilova was also alleged to have evaded 45,145 AZN in taxes. The public prosecutor added that there was sufficient evidence that she had committed these crimes. _Khadija Ismayilova’s testimony_ Ismayilova argued that the charges brought against her were groundless. “While I was at Radio Azadliq, I did not employ anyone or sign any contract. I was responsible only for the broadcast programmes and quality control of published articles. Employment contracts were signed by the Prague office. As for Tural Mustafayev, I had no relationship with him at all”. _Prosecution witnesses_ The first witness to take the stand was journalist Aynur Imranova. She told the court that she had been interviewed extensively by investigators, and requested the court to ask specific questions. Prosecutor: Did you have any contact with Radio Azadliq? How long have you known Khadija? How do you know her? Which of Khadija Ismayilova’s programmes have you been involved in? Have you applied to Radio Azadliq to work as a journalist? Why did you want to work there? Were you a taxpayer? Until when were you friends with Khadija Ismayilova? Have you collaborated on any projects? How do you know Tural Mustafayev and since when? Were you together with Tural Mustafayev’s fiancée Rovshana Rahimova on 9 March 2014? What do you know about Khadija’s relationship with Tural Mustafayev? Do you have any information about Tural Mustafayev’s attempted suicide? Aynur Imranova: I did not have contact with Radio Azadliq. I have known Khadija since 2012. I participated in several of her programmes as well as in other presenters’ programmes. I have not worked for Radio Azadliq. I applied once and Khadija told me that she did not handle recruitment, as she was not authorised. The reason I wanted to work for Radio Azadliq was because I thought my articles were similar to their style. Yes, I have been a taxpayer for quite a long time. Khadija and I have not met since May 2014 due to personal problems. I have developed a project on capacity-building of investigative journalists, and Khadija voluntarily assisted me in translating my project. Khadija’s investigations are well known in many parts of the world. I have known Tural Mustafayev since 2013; we met when Khadija was returning from abroad. I met Rovshana Rahimli on 9 March 2014 in a café. Tural attempted suicide because he quarrelled with Rovshana Rahimli several times. I have been questioned by five people at the investigative agency. I have no information about the relationship between Khadija and Tural. Tural is an alcoholic who is mentally ill. He used to beat Rovshana Rahimli. Once Tural tried to hang himself but he failed; he took a photo of this, which he shared via MMS with friends. The investigators took my statement under pressure. They offered me an apartment, money, and so on if I would testify against Khadija. The former head of RL’s Baku Bureau, Babak Bakir, was next to testify. He told the court that he had cooperated with Radio Azadliq since 1997, and that in 2005 he became a full-time employee. “From 2010 till 2014, I worked as a coordinator, which is essentially the acting head. But recruitment and salaries were both determined by the Prague office. Yahya Mirzayev was in charge of dealing with documentation. Khadija and I were not involved in it. I had an account with Azerbaijan International Bank. I worked based on an employment contract and paid all relevant taxes. Our employees were accredited by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I know Tural Mustafayev. He wanted to work for RL, and I employed him. He was not a staffer. Once he wrote me an e-mail saying that he was tired and wanted to leave his job and wanted to give up journalism for awhile. But later, he worked for Meydan TV. After quitting his job there, he applied to work with us again, but we did not have any vacancies. The head of the RL’s Baku Bureau was not entitled to be involved with financial matters. After leaving the position of the Bureau head, I worked as a correspondent, and the coordinator was Zeynal Mammadli. Khadija Ismayilova did not express any opinion on Tural Mustafayev”. Hakim Ahmadov, who works as a security guard on Baku Boulevard, also testified. He said that he did not know Khadija. “Citizens reported an incident, and I called an ambulance. None of his relatives or friends were present, until one person came. The man was conscious and able to talk. Then the ambulance arrived and took him”, said the witness. The court scheduled the next hearing for 10 August at 11.00am. Three journalists attempting to film the hearing from outside were taken to the police office, but were later released. After the hearing, journalists who wanted to interview the hearing participants were attacked. The assailants tried to smash their cameras and the police officer guarding the court failed to intervene. A journalist who tried to take refuge inside the court building was forced out by the police officers. /Background:/ Khadija Ismayilova was arrested on 5 December 2014. She was initially charged under article 125 of the Criminal Code (incitement to suicide). Later, she faced new charges under articles 179.3.2 (misappropriation - on a large scale); 192.2.2 (implementation of illegal business activity - with extraction of income in a large amount); 213 (evasion of payment of taxes or other obligatory payments of a significant amount); and 308.2 (abuse of official powers - entailing heavy consequences or committed to influence the outcome of an election or referendum). Amnesty International has recognised Ismayilova as a prisoner of conscience. *Journalists attacked after Khadija Ismayilova’s trial* On 7 August, the Baku Court of Grave Crimes held a hearing in the case of journalist Khadija Ismayilova. Numerous journalists and activists arrived to attend the hearing, but were not allowed in. The court guards only allowed representatives of foreign missions (the US, German, and French embassies) to enter the courtroom. The court officers said that the courtroom was full and no empty seats were left. Journalist Orkhan Rustemzade, who was filming in front of the courthous, was taken to Police Station #22. He was released after two hours, after giving a statement. After the hearing was over, Voice of America radio journalist Tapdig Farhadoglu asked those leaving the court building whether Ismayilova had attended the hearing. The situation escalated when he asked an elderly man, who said he had attended the hearing, whether he was related to Ismayilova. Farhadoglu was then assaulted by two women and a man. Meydan TV journalists Izolda Agayeva and Aytaj Ahmadova, filming together with Radio Liberty reporter Islam Shikhali, also faced violence; an elderly woman took a glass bottle from a bin and attempted to hit Aytaj Ahmadova. Fortunately Ahmadova’s colleagues intercepted the blow, but another woman did manage to hit Ahmadova with her bag. A man attacked and tried to assault Shikhali, but he managed to escape. Meanwhile, one of the women threw her shoe at Tapdig Farhadoglu, who tried to seek refuge in the court building, but the court guards and police forced him back out towards the waiting crowd. A young man came from a distance and hit Farhadoglu. Police officers present at the scene failed to intervene and protect members of the press from this outbreak of violence. The police and assailants told Farhadoglu to refrain from “causing provocations”. *Khadija Ismayilova’s trial: Alleged victim Tural Mustafayev admits to slandering Ismayilova during the investigation* _Summary: Hearing 3 (10 August 2015)_ · Tural Mustafayev, the alleged victim in Khadija Ismayilova's case, testified that it was he who had slandered Ismayilova, and he had suffered no emotional damage and had no claims against her; · Mustafayev's mother and father, who were questioned as prosecution witnesses, stated they had no claims against Khadija; · Prosecution witness Rovshana Rahimli told the court that Mustafayev (her former fiancé) was mentally ill, physically abusive towards her, and that each time they had split up, he had attempted suicide; · The defence’s motions to include Mustafayev's interview in the evidence list and to revoke his victim status were denied; · Prosecution witness Shahvalad Chobanoglu testified, stating that Khadija herself was the victim of a crime. On 10 August, the Baku Court of Grave Crimes resumed the hearing in the case against journalist Khadija Ismayilova. Judge Ramella Allahverdiyeva presided over the hearing. Although numerous people wanted to attend the trial, the courtroom had been filled in advance with people unrelated to the trial, and so many of those seeking to attend were denied entry. Only the representatives of the US, German and French embassies were permitted to observe. _Defence motions_ The defence filed a motion requesting that the media interviews of Tural Mustafayev, recognised as a victim by the prosecution, be included in the evidence list. In those interviews, Mustafayev said that law enforcement agencies had blackmailed several people with secretly recorded videos in order to compel them to give statements incriminating Ismayilova. With regard to the lawyer's motion, Ismayilova said, "Tural Mustafayev's first statement against me was written on 25 November, but the prosecutor's office had obtained the court warrant to listen to my phone conversation a month earlier, on 28 October. Did the prosecutor's office receive some kind of revelation or glean news of the future from extra-terrestrials in order to know that Tural would file such a complaint, enabling them to obtain the warrant in advance?” The lawyer also requested that Mustafayev's victim status be dismissed; however both motions were denied. _Tural Mustafayev’s testimony_ Mustafayev testified that his suicide attempt on 20 October 2014 was unrelated to Ismayilova. "I got to know Khadija Ismayilova in October 2013, and our relationship was purely professional. Neither my employment at Radio Azadliq, nor my decision to leave, nor my cooperation with Meydan TV bears any relation to Ismayilova. The documentation regarding my treatment at a psychiatric patient in Mashtaga [settlement] is in the case file. Due to my poor mental health I attempted suicide three times in 2014”. However, due to the contradiction between the statement Mustafayev gave in court and his prior statement, the court read out the statement he had provided during the investigation. When the court asked for an explanation for this contradiction, Mustafayev said he had slandered Ismayilova in the testimony he provided to the investigators. "I had no dependence on Khadija in any way. She played no role in my dismissal from my job, or my drinking the rat poison. I do not consider myself a victim", said Mustafayev. _Prosecution witnesses_ Mustafayev's mother, Nazakat Mustafayeva, who had been interrogated by investigators as a witness, was also questioned. She said that she lives in Goychay. Her son came to Baku in late 2013, but she was unaware of his job or the persons with whom he was involved. However, in her initial testimony to investigators, she confirmed her son's statement and requested that Ismayilova be held to account for driving her son to attempt suicide. The next prosecution witness, Mustafayev's ex-fiancée Rovshana Rahimli, told the court that Mustafayev had attempted to take his own life three times, and that none of these incidents had been related to Ismayilova. She requested that the court consider her court testimony as valid, because her testimony to the investigators had been distorted. “I met Tural on 8 March 2014 at a holiday party and we got engaged on 28 May. He suffered from mental health issues. While we were together, he attempted suicide three times. Tural repeatedly insulted and physically assaulted me when he was drunk, but then he would promise to behave and we would reconcile. On 15 October, we had a big argument, leading me to file a police complaint on 16 October. After drinking rat poison on the Boulevard on 20 October, Tural Mustafayev wrote a text message to my friend Samira Agayeva saying that he did not want to live without me. After the suicide attempt, he was first taken to Semashko [hospital] and kept there for one day, before being transferred to the mental health unit. We consulted a doctor while we were together, and he was diagnosed as a psychopath, meaning that his condition is impossible to treat”, Rahimli told the court. Mustafayev's father also testified as a witness. "I had already said to investigators that we did not suspect anyone. Then we went to Rovshana's house and she said that it might have been done by Khadija Ismayilova and I was convinced. I do not have a complaint against anyone. Rovshana Rahimli told me that Tural lost his job and could not find a new one because of Khadija", he said. But when Ismayilova asked him, "Do you consider me guilty in your son's suicide?", he replied, "I do not blame anyone at all". When the judge asked about the discrepancies between his initial testimony and his statement in court, he replied that he had simply repeated what he had heard from Rahimli to the investigators. Samira Agayeva also confirmed in her testimony that Mustafayev had psychological problems. "Before his suicide attempt, I met him in the city and he said that he had been drinking for a week and did not want to live. And an hour later, I received a text message that read "Tell Roshka that I did what she had told me..." Mustafayev's ex-wife Shafa Mustafayeva said they were divorced on 8 May 2014 and have two children, and that Mustafayev had gotten engaged to Rovshana after the divorce. "I heard from his family that he was unemployed and had lost his mind. I did not face any pressure from the investigators", said Mustafayeva. Another witness for the prosecution, Matanat Abdinova, who worked as a cleaner for Radio Azadliq, said she was hired in 2008 and signed a service contract with Mr. Yahya. "I did not sign a contract with Khadija. She only gave me instructions related to cleaning. I discussed all my job-related issues with Mr. Yahya. My salary was transferred to my bank account, and I paid all the required taxes". According to witness Gulnaz Guliyeva, she was hired as a translator for Radio Azadliq by Ismayilova. "I was not a permanent employee. I worked with a TIN. I had a bank account, which is now closed". Shahvalad Chobanoglu testified that he had first been questioned in December 2014, but the interrogation was not directly related to Ismayilova, because the charges against her were only brought in February 2015. "Khadija herself is the victim of a crime. I have been a taxpayer since 2006. Khadija Ismayilova was not involved in my work. I was the editor and founder of the ‘Different Opinion’ magazine, which was registered with the Ministry of Justice. All related funds were transferred to my bank account and I paid four per cent as tax". Next, a former employee of Radio Azadliq, Chingiz Sultansoy, testified. "When I was summoned for interrogation, I requested a lawyer, but the authorities told me that the lawyer could come later. Nonetheless, I refused to provide a testimony. Then I was questioned for three hours. They asked numerous questions. I told them that I had signed my employment contract with the [RFE/RL] head office, and showed them my contract. I said that I had been hired by Kenan Aliyev, and that my salary bore no relation to Khadija Ismayilova", the journalist told the court. *Khadija Ismayilova’s trial: The court finishes questioning prosecution witnesses* Summary: Hearing 6(13 August 2015) · The court denied a series of motions filed by the defence regarding some details that would prove important for the case and ensure its objective investigation; · Radio Azadliq employee Ulker Guliyeva, who had been questioned by the prosecution, testified and answered questions related to the radio; · The court announced the witness statement of Radio Azadliq technical maintenance worker Farid Abdullayev, who had been interrogated by the prosecution; · Khadija Ismayilova and her lawyers objected to the rapid pace of the trial, but the court did not take the objection into account. On 13 August, the third successive hearing was held in the case of journalist Khadija Ismayilova in the Baku Court of Grave Crimes. Judge Ramella Allahverdiyeva presided over the hearing. As in previous days, only representatives of a few embassies and government media outlets were allowed to enter the courtroom. _Defence motions_ The defence requested that Shahla Humbatova be questioned as a witness in relation to the suicide attempt of Tural Mustafayev, who was considered a victim by the court. The motion was rejected. lawyer Fariz Namazli also stressed the importance of further investigation of the claims that Mustafayev had been fired from Meydan TV at Ismayilova’s insistence. The lawyer said they had sent an inquiry to Meydan TV in this regard and received a response, and they wanted this response to be included in the evidence list, but the judge refused to do so, because, according to her, the source of the response was suspicious. The defence then requested the inclusion in the evidence list of Tural Mustafayev’s email correspondence with the head of Radio Liberty’s Baku Bureau, Babak Bakir, about his intention to quit his job at Radio Azadliq. However, this motion was similarly dismissed. The defence filed a motion to summon Adil Ismayilov, a representative of Radio Azadliq, to the trial, but the judge also denied this motion. “At least, don’t make it so clear that you’ve closed the radio station because of me. You closed down the radio station to arrest me, because you needed to arrest me after searching the radio station, but you did the opposite”, Ismayilova said. Lawyer Fariz Namazli noted that during his testimony as a victim, Tural Mustafayev stated that he had not voluntarily presented his personal Facebook correspondence to the prosecutor’s office. Therefore, the lawyer requested that this correspondence be removed from the evidence list, but the motion was denied. Namazli also requested that relevant structures of the Ministry of Communications and Information Technologies and representatives of the National Television and Radio Council be summoned to court as additional witnesses in connection with the issue of the radio station’s broadcast. However, this motion was rejected too. The lawyers and Ismayilova protested the rapid pace at which the trial was being held, and requested more time, but the judge did not take their request into account. Ismayilova objected to the judge. “You say a 15-year sentence awaits me. I am ready to be jailed even for 25 years. At least I would spend a small part of it here, in the courtroom, striving and fighting for my rights. To ensure my rights. I understand that you’ve been given an order with regard to me. You already know what sentence you’ll give me. Maybe you even feel remorse for coming and seeing me here every day. But, give me an opportunity to defend my rights”, said Ismayilova. _Prosecution witnesses _ Radio Azadliq employee Ulker Guliyeva, a witness for the prosecution, gave her testimony. She was asked about the radio station’s activities and the difference between full-time employees and contract workers. Ulker Guliyev said she had been working for the radio station since 2005 and received her salary in her International Bank account and then via a plastic card. She told the court that there was no significant difference between full-time employees and contract workers. Radio Azadliq’s technical maintenance worker Farid Abdullayev was then due to testify, but as he was not present, his investigation statement was read. In his statement, he had noted that he worked based on a service contract and paid all required taxes. He had added that he had once seen another Radio Azadliq employee, Javanshir Agamaliyev, receive a few thousand AZN in addition to his salary in his bank account, and withdraw the money from his account. Ismayilova objected to this statement, saying that Farid Abdullayev’s statement had changed and he must come to court. The court said this issue would be assessed at the end. Thus, the questioning of prosecution witnesses was completed and the next hearing was set for 14 August at 15.00. *Defence motions repeatedly rejected * _Summary: Hearing 7 (14 August 2015)_ · Khadija Ismayilova objected to the presiding judge and the court clerk, but her objections were dismissed; · Defence lawyers filed a number of key motions, but all were denied by the court. Journalist Khadija Ismayilova’s trial continued at the Baku Court of Grave Crimes on 14 August. Judge Ramella Allahverdiyeva presided over the hearing. It was another semi-closed hearing. As in previous hearings, employees of the APA, Virtualaz.org and Telegraph news agencies were allowed to enter the courtroom in advance. While representatives of the US, German, French, and Norwegian embassies, Ismayilova’s family members, and an Azadliq newspaper reporter were let in through the second door, representatives from the UK embassy and Human Rights Watch were denied entry. Many journalists and members of the public were also prevented from attending denied entry. Numerous police officers and non-uniformed Ministry of National Security (MNS) officers were waiting near the court building. The seats in the courtroom were again filled with outsiders, non-uniformed court staff, and MNS employees. _Defendant’s objections_ As soon as the hearing started, Ismayilova presented an objection to the presiding judge, which stated: “Referring to Article 109.1.8 of the Criminal Procedure Code of (CPC) Azerbaijan Republic, I object to Judge Ramella Allahverdiyeva, considering the fact that she has demonstrated bias throughout the court proceedings. This motion is based on the following circumstances: 1) The presiding judge has violated the principle of the equality of parties. The defendant, in breach of the law, was not been provided with copies of the criminal case documents during the investigation, and was given only a small part of the required documents after filing a motion with the court. The decision to deny a second motion was justified on the grounds that ‘those [which have been] presented are enough’. Thus, the judge ignored a violation of Article 285 of the CPC and demonstrated her interest in the unequal status of the defence in the criminal prosecution. The decision of the Plenum of the Supreme Court of Azerbaijan Republic ‘On the Application of the Provisions of the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms and the Case-law of the European Court of Human Rights in the Administration of Justice’ of 30 May 2006 was also violated as a result of these actions. 2) Judge Ramella Allahverdiyeva threatened the defendant at a court hearing, saying that a 15-year jail sentence awaited her. This threat was not voiced in the context of interpreting the legislation or the totality of the crimes. The judge said it in response to the defendant’s criticisms and insistence that she would answer questions only at a public hearing. 3) Judge Ramella Allahverdiyeva refused to include in the case file the documents refuting charges that had been presented by witnesses, namely the [employment/service] contracts presented to the court by Shahvalad Namazov and Chingiz Sultanov. Instead, she returned the documents to the witnesses. 4) None of the defence’s motions were granted. 5) The defence motion filed on 13 August 2015, which requested questioning of witnesses, was rejected. Namely, the motions that requested questioning of witness Humbatova Shahla Knyaz gizi and representatives of the Ministry of Communications and Information Technologies were denined, although the motions stated that the questioning of those witnesses was of great importance in uncovering the truth. Those witnesses possess first-hand information regarding the allegations made in the indictment. In addition, the defence motion for the questioning of the representative of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL) was also rejected. The court agreed with the prosecutors’ objections that the charges were against Khadija Ismayilova, not Radio Liberty, although RFE/RL is often mentioned in the indictment and their documents are cited, and the charges are related to Khadija Ismayilova’s activities in this organisation. 6) The judge refused to include in the case file Tural Mustafayev’s interview with Azadliq newspaper of 4 August 2015, and his video message published on YouTube on 3 May 2015, deeming them ‘questionable’ evidence, although the motion to include the YouTube message in the case file was also filed by the victim Mustafayev himself. During his questioning [in court], Mustafayev confirmed what he had said in that video message, and asserted that he had been pressured by the prosecution. 7) The motion to revoke Tural Mustafayev’s victim status, which was backed by Mustafayev as well, was rejected groundlessly. 8) By scheduling a hearing every day, Allahverdiyeva deprived the defendant of the opportunity to liaise with her lawyers, thus violating the right to effective defence. The judge has ignored the repeated requests and objections made in this regard. Allahverdiyeva also overruled the objections regarding interference by court guards in confidential discussions between the defendant and her lawyer, and failed to intervene in this regard. I should remind that the investigation of evidence is the direct duty of the court under the CPC. Considering the bias that Ramella Allahverdiyeva has demonstrated during the court proceedings by violating all her duties set forth in Article 28.4 of CPC, I request that she be dismissed from the present case. I request that the above-mentioned circumstances be re-investigated and new decisions be made on these motions under the chairmanship of an impartial judge. I want to additionally note that in the detention facility, I came across people repeatedly accused and convicted of many crimes, and among them, there are some charged under Article 144, which is human trafficking. Among people, they are known as “mama rosa” [nickname for a female procurer]. What Ramella Allahverdiyeva has done to Themis is nothing compared to what those women have done to the victims of human trafficking. You have not respected the justice legislation and have turned it into the bondmaid of the prosecutor’s office. I request that the court disqualify you from this proceeding. I don’t want to see the law being insulted in such a non-professional manner”. The defence backed the motion. Commenting on the objection, the public prosecutor said that the motions [referred to in the objection] were vague and unsupported by the circumstances of the case and not consistent with the case materials. He said that they had not been filed in accordance with criminal procedure legislation, and there were no grounds to justify them. He further remarked that the issues raised in those motions were of a general nature and were rightly rejected by the court’s rulings. He therefore noted that there were no grounds on which to object to the judge who made those rulings. After a deliberation, the panel of judges rejected the objection as unfounded. Ismayilova then declared that she wanted to present an objection against the court clerk on the grounds that the court minutes had been falsified, and said that she wanted to discuss this objection with her lawyers. As the reason for the objection, Ismayilova referred to the misrepresentation and misinterpretation of the judges’ words regarding the 15-year jail sentence awaiting her in the court minutes. Ismayilova said that the true context of these words had been shown in the media. Ismayilova recalled that after the court’s denial of her motion requesting audio and video recording of the proceedings, she had asked to see the court minutes, but the court had not agreed. Ismayilova expressed her objection to the court clerk and requested that she be given an opportunity to familiarise herself with the minutes of the court hearings. Ismayilova noted that there could be other cases of falsification regarding other matters and she wanted to file motions for the timely correction of those falsifications. But the court denied this motion. _Lawyers’ motions_ Lawyer Fariz Namazli filed a number of motions during the hearing. The lawyer requested that the representative of Radio Azadliq, Adil Ismayilov, be invited to the hearing for the reason that the charges filed against Ismayilova were related to her activities at Radio Azadliq. “A criminal case has been launched against Radio Azadliq in a separate proceeding, and investigations are allegedly on-going. Since the charges are directly related to the activities of Radio Azadliq, it is important that its representative, Adil Ismayilov, be invited to the hearing and questioned to clarify their position”. However, this motion was rejected. The second motion requested that the following documents be added to the case file and investigated at the stage of examining the documents: a letter dated 23 April 2015 of the National Television and Radio Council (NTRC); an extract from the minutes of the NTRC’s meeting #11 dated 30 December 2008; a letter dated 14 May 2015 of the State Radio Frequency Department of Ministry of Communications and Information Technologies; a letter dated 23 June 2015 of the Radio and Television Broadcasting and Satellite Communications Production Association of the Ministry; and a letter #255/6 dated 30 December 2008 of the NTRC. This motion was also rejected. The lawyer also requested that the contracts signed between Javadova Esmira Tural gizi and the RFE/RL Corporation and between Namazov Shahvalad Abutalib oglu and the RFE/RL Corporation be added to the criminal case materials and examined at the stage of examining the documents. This motion was denied. Namazli filed another motion requesting that six witnesses mentioned in the indictment be questioned. The lawyers also requested time to prepare new motions and to hold discussions with Ismayilova for this purpose. The next hearing was set for 18 August at 11.00am. *Prosecutor seeks nine-year jail sentence for Khadija Ismayilova* _Summary: Hearing 8 (18 August 2015)_ · Khadija Ismayilova presented a letter to the chairman of the court requesting the protection of the presiding judge’s right to vacation time; · Ismayilova raised an objection to the composition of the panel of judges, which remained unconsidered; · Ismayilova and her lawyers filed numerous motions, but none were granted. On 18 August, the hearing resumed at the Baku Court of Grave Crimes. Judge Ramella Allahverdiyeva presided over the hearing. Like previous hearings, this hearing was semi-closed. Only Ismayilova’s family members and representatives of the German and UK embassies were allowed to attend the hearing. From the media, only Azadliq newspaper and APA news agency reporters were permitted entry. Numerous other journalists and members of the public who attempted to observe the hearing were again denied entry to the courtroom. Once again, many others unrelated to the case were already seated in the courtroom. _Khadija Ismayilova’s letter to the chairman of the court _ At the beginning of the hearing, Ismayilova said she had a letter to be presented to Mahmud Nabiyev, the Chairman of the Baku Court of Grave Crimes. The letter said: “For the sake of a fair trial, ensure Ramella Allahverdiyeva’s right to vacation. The summer is going to be over and the holiday season is about to end, and I don’t want my right of defence to be violated or to be tried based on hasty decisions made in a hasty proceeding. Please, do not base the judge’s right to rest on the progress of my trial, and allow Allahverdiyeva to go on vacation. I will wait. If after returning from the vacation the judge continues the proceeding earnestly and without haste, I think that it will benefit the justice henceforth. Best wishes, Khadija Ismayilova”. The judge said that the letter written to the court chairman had no relation to her and advised it be presented to the court though the mail or a lawyer. Ismayilova then stated her objection to the composition of the bench. “Considering the fact that the court panel is interested in the criminal prosecution and has violated the principle of equality of parties, I object to the composition of the bench, referring to Article 109.1.8 of the Criminal Procedure Code. The objection is based on the following arguments: 1) The court is consistently denying the defence motions, including those that request the inclusion in the case file of the documents and the questioning of witnesses, both of which serve the purpose of an objective investigation. Thus, the court only supports the stance of the prosecutor and does not create conditions for the defendant to defend herself. 2) Judge Karimov Novruz Agakarim oglu justifies the threats made against the defendant by the presiding Judge Ramella Allahverdiyeva, thereby violating the law. Moreover, the panel demonstrates unanimity in rejecting the [defence] motions, while repeating the prosecutor’s statements verbatim. Such cases continued to occur after another objection had been raised against the presiding judge, and the panel chaired by Ramella Allahverdiyeva prevented the inclusion into the case file of the documents confirming that only Radio Liberty, not Khadija Ismayilova, was authorised to hire new employees, and the documents confirming that the license issues related to the radio’s broadcasting were dealt with by the Baku Bureau. In view of the above-said, I request that the composition of the panel be changed and the Judicial Legal Council be requested to investigate the illegal actions of the judges Ramella Allahverdiyeva, Tamilla Nasirullayeva, and Novruz Karimov. I would like to add that Judge Novruz Karimov not only justified a breach of law, but also made references to the falsifications in the minutes. Considering the inadmissibility of a judge’s telling lies, I believe that the current panel cannot consider this case”. The defence lawyers backed the motion. Commenting on the motion, the public prosecutor Ramazan Hadiyev said as in the previous objection to the presiding judge, this objection was not supported by reasonable evidence. He noted that the alignment of the prosecutor’s and the court’s positions cannot be interpreted as the court’s partiality. He said the objection was unfounded and requested that it remain unconsidered. The judge broke for a deliberation to discuss the objection. After the deliberation, the court left the motion unconsidered. _Defence motions _ Then, Ismayilova filed a motion requesting the court to present any contract or payment order bearing her signature. She quoted the bill of indictment as stating that she had allegedly hired employees to Radio Azadliq based on service contracts, enabling them to pay less tax to the state budget. Ismayilova said there were no contracts or payment orders bearing her signature, adding that she would welcome the opportunity to see them in court. The prosecutor declared the motion was unfounded and requested that it be rejected. The judge denied the motion after a short deliberation. Subsequently, Ismayilova and her lawyer Fariz Namazli filed a motion to question additional witnesses, namely, Interpress website editor Ramal Huseynov, ann.az website director Naila Bagirova, and Aznews website editor-in-chief Elchin Zahiroglu. In support of the motion, the defence noted that Ramal Huseynov’s statement was cited in the indictment, and he therefore had to be summoned and questioned. The judge said that while testifying in court Tural Mustafayev admitted slandering Ismayilova, and several other witnesses also recanted their original investigation statements defending her position. The judge said that the fact that Mustafayev and others provided testimonies that differed from their investigation statements would be assessed during the court’s deliberations, and that there was no need to question additional witnesses. Next, lawyer Javad Javadov filed a motion, which said: “The investigative agency accuses Khadija Ismayilova of engaging in journalistic activities without being accredited by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Note that there is a presidential decree dated 2 September 2002 on improving the rules for licensing certain types of activities, according to which, journalistic activity does not require a license. This is a fantasy made up by the investigative agency, which has deemed Khadija Ismayilova’s activity to be illegal entrepreneurship. Therefore, we request that the court send a request to the Constitutional Court to clarify whether, according to the legislation, journalism is an activity requiring a license”. Ismayilova supported her lawyer’s motion, saying, “It is indeed an absolute fantasy. Your president gathers media workers and says that you need to gain access to the foreign press, while, on the other hand, you require a license for working as a journalist for the foreign press”. Judge Novruz Karimov rejected the motion . Lawyer Javad Javadov filed a motion requesting that psychiatrist Araz Mahmudchayli be questioned as an additional witness, on the basis that Tural Mustafayev’s ex-fiancée Rovshana Rahimli had told the court that Mustafayev had serious mental health issues, and they had appealed to psychiatrist Araz Mahmudchayli, who had diagnosed Mustafayev as an incurable psychopath. The judge denied this motion as well. Lawyer Javad Javadov then noted that the documents seized during the search in Radio Liberty’s Baku office had not been recorded separately in the list, which constituted a gross violation of the procedural legislation, meaning that those documents could not be regarded as evidence. The lawyer requested that they be removed from the evidence list. Judge Novruz Karimov rejected the motion. After that, lawyer Fariz Namazli filed a motion requesting that the documents on the results of the on-site tax inspection conducted in the Baku office of Radio Liberty be obtained from the Ministry of Taxes at the request of the court, added to the case file, and examined. Judge Novruz Karimov declared that this motion was also denied. Ismayilova said the court guards were interfering in her consultations with her lawyers and requested the court to give her time for consultations: “I am not adequately enabled to communicate with my lawyers. I cannot consult my lawyers even while in court, as the guards listen in on our conversations. My lawyers are hindered from giving me documents. My right of defence is violated. On the other hand, being brought to court every day, my right to walk in open air and to meet with my family is also violated. I request one week from the court to consult with my lawyers conveniently”. Ismayilova also requested that the alleged victim Tural Mustafayev be brought to court when she would testify. She said that after other witnesses testified, she would have some questions for the victim. She stressed that Mustafayev’s personal presence was important, as his representative did not possess information about his private life. The judge denied the motion, saying that Mustafayev had attended the hearing. _Khadija Ismayilova’s testimony _ “I am charged with abuse of official powers as the head of the representative office of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, tax evasion and misappropriation in favour of a third party. I have not been the head of the Azerbaijani Representation. The Baku Bureau is not the Azerbaijani Representation. The Azerbaijani Representation has its regulations. Management of the representation is carried out by the head appointed by the company. I have not hired anyone. I myself was hired. I have not signed a contract with anyone. My contract was signed by John Kapler. There has not been such a legal entity as the Baku Bureau of Radio Liberty. The Baku Bureau was one of the radio station’s departments. My duties as the head of the Bureau were to produce quality products and to effectively divide the workforce. In general, it is a rule in the western media that there are two branches: financial and production. I oversaw the production aspect and have not been engaged in financial issues. Like the rest of the radio staff, I was also hired. And I did a good job. Therefore, I have been arrested. Radio Liberty [Radio Azadliq] has made an invaluable contribution in revealing truth in the country. This is one of the reasons behind my arrest. The contacts regarding the frequencies and broadcasting were signed with the US Broadcasting Board of Governors. The license was acquired by the US Broadcasting Board of Governors. This institution is based in Washington, and its head is the US Secretary of State. If you have any comments regarding this matter, address them to John Kerry. There is no editorial office in Azerbaijan, where there are no contract workers in addition to full-time staff. I preferred working as a contract worker myself after leaving the managerial position, because I wanted to be free. I made this choice preferring freedom, and to cooperate with other organisations. I came when I wished, and did not come when I did not wish. I was offered to sign an employment contract as a full-time employee, but I refused. What I am doing here now is proving that yoghurt is actually white, because the prosecution has problems understanding even the simplest issues. I understand that an order has been given for my arrest. But at least they should have made a bit of an effort and put something forward. They made up something in Intigam Aliyev’s case, but not in mine. I feel hurt. You should have shown me the same respect which you showed to Intigam Aliyev. Speaking lengthily about such simple things is an insult to my intelligence. With such an approach to the case, you insult my intelligence. Even the colour-blind understand that yoghurt is white, but the employees of the prosecutor’s office do not. Did you need to keep me in detention for eight months to understand that the Baku Bureau is not the Azerbaijani Representation? How much did this government need to spend to keep me in detention? By the way, by being detained I found out secrets. For example, I learned that prisoners are not given the meat and cheese that are meant to be given to them. It would be better if the prosecutor’s office investigated such cases of corruption. It was there, where I learned how and where the prosecution authorities committed falsifications and from whom they received bribes”. Then, the judge invited Ismayilova to testify in relation to Article 125. Ismayilova said she would not testify as long as Mustafayev’s presence was not ensured. Mustafayev’s representative Safar Huseynov said he could answer necessary questions, but Ismayilova objected. The judge said that Mustafayev had answered Ismayilova’s questions in court, and announced the notes made in the minutes. Finally, the judge declared the beginning of the document examination stage. The next hearing was set for 19 August at 15.00. *Court partially grants only one of numerous defence motions * _Summary: Hearing 9 (19 August 2015)_ · The court examined case documents at this hearing, and the documents in the case file were announced; · Khadija Ismayilova’s lawyers filed a number of motions, but only one of them, which requested that Tax Ministry employees be summoned and questioned as witnesses, was granted; · Imran Nurmammadov, a state tax inspector with the Baku Taxes Department, was questioned as a witness. On 19 August, another hearing was held in the criminal case against Khadija Ismayilova at the Baku Court of Grave Crimes. Judge Ramella Allahverdiyeva presided over the hearing. The courtroom was again filled with people unrelated to the trial, with many of those attempting to attend denied access. At the hearing, the court continued to examine case documents. The court announced the documents in the case file. Khadija Ismayilova requested that the expert psychological opinion on Tural Mustafayev be read out in court. She said that she had been shown that document by the investigator on the day of her arrest. Ismayilova noted that in that document, Mustafayev was described as having mental problems over the past two years. However, the court could not find the said document in the case file, and stated that it would be announced as soon as it was found. The presiding judge announced another expert opinion on Mustafayev. According to opinion #4267 issued by expert Vusal Mammadov, the issues that drove Mustafayev to attempt suicide were his failure to find a job, his financial difficulties, the tension in his relationship with his fiancée Rovshana Rahimli, the negative opinion of him generated by rumours spread about him, and Ismayilova’s actions towards him. The expert opinion stated that at the time of his suicide attempt, Mustafayev had not suffered any mental illness and was able to plan his actions carefully. At that point, Ismayilova noted that the motions regarding the examination had been only partially granted,.. Moreover, said Ismayilova, the expert opinion issued in December, which was to be presented to the victim within 10 days according to the Criminal Procedure Code, was given to him only in February. She noted that it was a gross violation of the law and added, “If you accept that instance of violation of the law as evidence, then please proceed”. Lawyer Fariz Namazli recalled that at one of the previous hearings, when the defence filed a motion for the questioning of six witnesses, the prosecutor said there was no need as those witnesses’ investigation statements had been included in the case file. The lawyer then requested that the statements and contracts of those six witnesses, Shamsaddin Hamidov, Gulnara Babayeva, Mustajab Mammadov, Malahat Nasibova, Gular Sadigova and Samir Hasanov, be announced. The judge said these persons had been not interrogated as witnesses and did not have witness statements. The judge also said that with those individuals civil contracts had been signed, which were announced at Ismayilova’s request. Ismayilova then requested the case document, which stated that she had signed contracts with Radio Azadliq employees Ilgar Rasulov and Rafig Mammadov, but the court said there were no such contracts in the case file. During the examination of the documents, it turned out that the receipts in the case file bore the name of the Azerbaijani representation, not of Ismayilova, who said that the Baku Bureau was different from the Azerbaijani Representation, and could not be regarded as the same. Ismayilova’s lawyers Fakhraddin Mehdiyev and Fariz Namazli filed a motion requesting that Imran Nurmammadov and Elchin Aliyev, the employees of the Baku Tax Department who had compiled the interim act dated 19 January 2015, and Emin Ilham oglu Mammadli and Zaur Zakir oglu Mammadov, the experts who had issued the forensic accounting opinion #2663 dated 13 February 2015 based on that interim act, be questioned as witnesses in court. The lawyers filed a second motion for the conduct of a new forensic accounting examination. The motion was substantiated as follows: 1. The opinion states that it was not possible to identify the purpose of a portion of the payments made by the Representation, but it is not specified in the document /which/ payments they were, or at least the amounts in question. 2. The opinion does not make clear the identities of the individuals - who were not employees of the Representation – allegedly receiving these payments. Nor is it clear how it was determined that the payments had not been made for work or services related to the Representation’s activities. 3. The opinion reads that from 01.01.2008 until 01.12.2014, RFE/RL.Inc company transferred 4.621.900,0 (four million and six hundred and twenty one thousand and nine hundred) AZN funds to the bank accounts of the Representation. The opinion interprets this amount as income and thus a profit tax of 154.063,3 manat is calculated. This is, at best, an indicator of the lack of appropriate professional qualification, and at worst a clear bias, because the 4,621,900,0 (four million and six hundred and twenty one thousand and nine hundred) manat funds were used to ensure the continuation of the activity of the Baku Bureau of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty for 6 (six) years, used to pay the wages and honoraria of the staff and contract workers, office rent and technical maintenance expenses. Accordingly, no income was generated. 4. The opinion then notes that from 01.01.2008 till 01.01.2009 the radio broadcasted through 101.7 FM frequencies without a license, which is presented as the grounds for declaring all its activities as unlawful. However, the Azerbaijani Representation of the RFE/Rl.Inc Company was registered by the Ministry of Justice of Azerbaijan Republic on 12 April 2004 and has not been de-registered. Moreover, the radio broadcasted on through short- and medium-wave frequencies and over the Internet. 5. As seen from the criminal case materials, Khadija Ismayilova was not involved in obtaining a license for the radio or extending its validity. This was undertaken by the Broadcasting Board of Governors, which is based in Washington, DC, and which oversaw the contracts and correspondence with the Ministry of Communications and Information Technologies and NTRC. Besides, Ismayilova, as seen from her employment contract with the RFE/RL Corporation, was only involved in production work in the Baku Bureau and was not authorized to handle financial and administrative affairs. However, despite this fact, she was referred to as having administrative powers and responsible for financial affairs as the head of the Baku Bureau in the forensic accounting opinion #2663 dated 13 February 2015. 6. This opinion is based on the interim act dated 19 January 2015 of the experts of the Ministry of Taxes. Apparently, the forensic accounting opinion dated 13 February 2015 is cause for sufficient suspicion, though the evidence on which it is based is unreliable. The next defence motion requested the inclusion in the case file of the letter sent to Judge Ramella Allahverdiyeva and Prosecutor General Zakir Garalov by the leadership of Radio Liberty. Commenting on the motion, Khadija Ismayilova said: “It seems that something had to be written about Khadija Ismayilova and so they wrote this. Everything written there is entirely fictitious and without factual basis. Not only was I not the head of the representation, I did not have any relations with them at all. I headed the Baku Bureau, which is not the Azerbaijani representation. One does not need to graduate from the university to understand this simple fact; a 3-year school education is enough for that. I don’t believe that the employees of the Ministry of Taxes are so poorly educated that they cannot understand this. I know that they were forced to write this under direction. We are here trying to prove that yogurt is white. Unfortunately, the court will not stop repeating the prosecutor’s opinions. I think that the verdict will also be a repetition of the indictment bill. In fact, we don’t want to prove anything to the court. We just want to clarify two issues for ourselves: first, whether the court provided a reasonable opportunity for investigation, and, secondly, the extent to of the involvement of the whole government, including the Ministry of Taxes and Prosecutor’s Office, in this bias. As for the motion regarding those, who compiled that act, I just want to look them in the face”. Then lawyer Fariz Namazli filed a motion saying that the on-site tax inspections conducted in the office of Radio Azadliq were suspended until August 14, and on August 15 the inspection period was extended until September 30. He wanted that decision to be included in the evidence list. Khadija Ismayilova said that 4 of the 5 charges brought against her were related to Radio Azadliq and though she was not responsible for financial affairs, experts had issued opinions about alleged violations. Expecting the prosecutor to protest the motion, Khadija Ismayilova said she wanted to read the text of the letter written by the central leadership of Radio Liberty: “For 8 months, the work of the Azerbaijani representation of Radio Liberty has been paralyzed by the interference of the Prosecutor General’s Office and Ministry of Taxes of Azerbaijan Republic, which we consider illegal. Before the tax inspections in the Azerbaijani representation of Radio Liberty were concluded, a criminal case against our former colleague Khadija Ismayilova was separated from this criminal case and sent to court. It became known that the investigating authority, as if to underpin the incitement-to-suicide charge filed against Khadija Ismayilova in order to arrest her, brought the charges of misappropriation of another's property through abuse of service powers, illegal entrepreneurship and tax evasion, which are related to her activity in Radio Liberty. Since the latter charges are directly related to Radio Liberty and its activities, we feel obliged to comment on them. We view the charges filed against Khadija Ismayilova due to her activity in the radio station as charges against our organisation and we do not accept them. As seen from the statute of the Azerbaijan representation of RFERL Inc. and contracts signed with the heads of Baku Bureau of Radio Azadliq, neither Khadija Ismayilova, nor her predecessors or successors had financial responsibility or obligation or authority to submit financial or other reports to tax authorities. According to another charge filed against Khadija Ismayilova, she arranged that some individuals, who cooperated with the radio based on service contracts, be registered to pay simplified tax instead of income tax, and wasted and misappropriated the 10 percent difference between the simplified tax and income tax, i.e. 17 992 60 manat, thus committing the crime specified in Article 179.3.2 of the Criminal Code of Azerbaijan Republic. Even if the investigation was telling the truth, charging someone with misappropriation of property for this action is illogical; here one could talk about only tax evasion. It seems that such an outcome did not fit in with the plans of the investigating authorities and they charged Khadija Ismayilova under Article 179.3.2, which stipulates a jail sentence for a period of up to 12 years”. The judge interrupted Khadija Ismayilova saying that the letter had been sent to her and when she received it she would read it herself. Khadija Ismayilova requested that the letter be included in the case file as an addendum to her testimony, but the judge denied her motion. The prosecutor requested that the motions be rejected as unfounded. He did not object to the questioning of the expert who had compiled the interim act. Commenting on the letter sent by the central bureau leadership of Radio Liberty, the prosecutor said that the letter emerged because of the denial of the defence motion requesting that a representative of the radio be invited to the trial. He said that the criminal case materials did not need the recommendations made in the letter and requested the court to reject the letter. Despite Khadija Ismayilova’s insistence, the court once again refused to add the letter to the case file. The judge said that the letter must be received via mail, registered in the clerical office and presented to the judge with the court chairman’s instructions. She said that the letter would be added to the case file when it was received by the court. Then, the panel of judges broke for a deliberation to discuss the motions. Only the motion regarding the questioning of the experts that had compiled the interim act was partially granted by the court, and two of the four experts, Baku Taxes Department employees Elchin Aliyev and Imran Nurmammadov were summoned for questioning as witnesses. This was followed by a 40-minute break in the hearing. After the break, the State Tax Inspector of Baku Taxes Department, Imran Nurmammadov, was questioned as a witness, but he could not finish his testimony, as the working hours of the court were over. The next hearing was set for 20 August, 11.00am. *Protest held in support of Khadija Ismayilova * On 19 August, the next hearing was held on journalist Khadija Ismayilova’s case in Baku Court of Grave Crimes. As in previous hearings, no one with the exception of a few embassy representatives was given access to the hearing. A group of journalists held a protest in front of the court building demanding Khadija’s release. The protesters held balloons of different colours and posters reading “Freedom to Khadija!” The protesters were demanding and end to the government crackdown on civil society and the release the jailed and detained journalists, human rights defenders and political prisoners. “We’ll continue our struggle with peaceful methods,” said the protesters. The journalists chanted “Free Khadija!” during the protest. *Summary: Hearing 11 (21 August 2015)* · Prosecutor requested a 9-year prison sentence for Khadija Ismayilova. Khadija Ismayilova’s trial continued in Baku Court of Grave Crimes on 21 August. The presiding judge was Ramella Allahverdiyeva. _Speech by public prosecutor, _Ramazan Hadiyev “Khadija Ismayilova has abused her powers as the head of Baku Bureau of Radio Liberty, has evaded payment of the taxes specified in Article 101 of Tax Code, and by signing service contracts with employees has enabled them to underpay their taxes. However, Khadija Ismayilova did not plead guilty to any of the charges. During the course of the trial, Aynur Imranova said that she has known Khadija Ismayilova since 2003. She had applied to Baku Bureau of Radio Liberty for employment, but was not successful. Later, in 2011, she told Khadija Ismayilova that she wanted to work at Radio Liberty, but Khadija Ismayilova said she did not have the relevant authority on this issue. By the way, I should note that Khadija Ismayilova was indeed not entitled to hire employees in 2011. After May 2014, Imranova did not meet with Khadija Ismayilova as their relationship grew cold. She always sought advice from Khadija Ismayilova, as she was a world-renowned investigative journalist. She was the guest on the After Work radio programme several times, but apart from that, she did not cooperate with the Radio or publish her work there, and did not sign an employment or a service contract with the radio. In contrast to her court testimony, in her investigation statement Aynur Imranova stated that she had applied to Khadija Ismayilova, because the latter was the head of Baku Bureau of Radio Liberty. Khadija Ismayilova did not agree to give her full time employment and suggested that she work under a service contract, but Imranova did not accept this proposal. I call the court’s attention to the fact that Aynur Imranova has a higher education and knows her rights. Thus is it possible to deceive her and compel her to write something? Absolutely not. Judging from this fact, it is possible to say that in her testimony Aynur Imranova deliberately sought to help Khadija Ismayilova to evade responsibility. As that part of her testimony does not reflect the objective reality, her investigation statement should be accepted as evidence instead of what she said in her court testimony. Testifying as a witness during the trial, Babek Bakirov said that he started working at the Baku Bureau of Radio Liberty in September 1997, knew Khadija Ismayilova as an influential journalist, and was appointed as the head of the Baku Bureau in 2008, a role he held until 2010. He noted that for those who worked at the radio based on an employment contract, the radio paid taxes at a 14% rate, while those who worked under a service contract paid taxes at a 4 percent rate, on an individual basis. Esmira Javadova, who testified as a witness during the trial, said that in 2009 she met with Khadija Ismayilova, presented her articles and signed a service contract with her. Her monthly income was 500-600 manat initially, later rising to about 1400 manat. She paid simplified tax, and paid 4 percent of her income in taxes. She enjoyed all relevant employment conditions at RL. My purpose in outlining this is to point out that if Esmira Javadova had signed an employment contract she would pay taxes at the 14 percent rate. In her investigation statement, Esmira Javadova noted that Khadija Ismayilova had recommended that she sign a service contract. This proves that Khadija Ismayilova deliberately created conditions for tax evasion. Javadova said in her testimony that she was forcibly summoned to give a statement at 19.00 on a non-working day and gave her statement under duress. However, the interrogation document shows that Esmira Javadova was interrogated not on Saturday or Sunday, but on 20 October, which was a working day. She changed her testimony after seeing Khadija Ismayilova in the trial. She did not make any complaint to the prosecution authorities with regard to the circumstances of duress. Therefore, I believe that her investigation statement should be accepted as evidence. Chingiz Sultansoy, who testified in this trial, also noted that he had signed a service contract. He stated that as his job involved editing texts, which required him to be present in the editorial office. Under these circumstances, the reason that a service contract was signed is clear to everyone. The purpose was to help the radio avoid paying the higher taxes. During the search and seizure, 12 employment record books, stamp and seal were taken from Radio Azadliq’s office. If Baku Bureau was not an employer, as Khadija Ismayilova said, then why were these there? From the Interim Act and other documents it once again becomes clear that although there were 12-14 full-time employees, there were 30 computers in the editorial office. Service contracts were signed with employees. During the last year under Khadija Ismayilova’s leadership, Radio Azadliq operated without a license. While testifying in court, victim Tural Mustafayev tried to defend Khadija Ismayilova by all means, saying “I don’t know” and “I wanted this” in response to my questions. He said that he had slandered her, but he forgot one thing. Notably, he appealed to law enforcement agencies several times stating incontrovertible things that no one else knew. His investigation statement was also confirmed by his ex-wife Shafa Mustafayeva. Tural Mustafayev’s family members, as well as the results of the forensic examination, show that he is sane and physically and psychologically healthy. Khadija Ismayilova forced Tural Mustafayev to become financially dependent on her. Later, Tural Mustafayev repeatedly begged her for forgiveness in order to restore his previous [financial] situation, but Khadija Ismayilova did not forgive him, thus bringing him to the brink of suicide. The public threat entailed by the offence stipulated in Article 125 of the Criminal Code is that it drives a person to death, and is an inhuman deed. Khadija Ismayilova’s offence, as specified in articles 179.3.2, 192.2.2, 213.1, 308.2, 125 of Criminal Code, has been fully proven. Khadija Ismayilova must be convicted in order to rectify the situation and ensure her rehabilitation. She must be sentenced to 8 years in jail under article 179.3.2 of Criminal Code, to 4 years under article 192.2.2, to 5 years under article 125, to 2 years under article 213.1 and to 2 years under article 308.2. Thus Khadija Ismayilova must be sentenced to 9 years in jail and incur a 3-year ban on holding a position in a state or municipal body. Khadija Ismayilova must serve her sentence in a prison of common regime and pay 364 manat in judicial costs”. Next, the Tural Mustafayev’s representative Safar Huseynov gave a speech. He said that he agreed with what the public prosecutor had said. The defence lawyers asked for time to prepare their speeches. The next hearing was set for 26 August, at 11.00am. *Lawyers request acquittal for Khadija Ismayilova * _Summary: Hearing 12 (26 August 2015)_ · The defence filed a motion for a new trial, which was rejected by the court; · Speeches by the defence lawyers stated that the charges against Khadija Ismayilova had not been proved and that she must therefore be acquitted. On August 26, Khadija Ismayilova’s trial continued in Baku Court of Grave Crimes. Judge Ramella Allahverdiyeva presided over the hearing. Only three embassy representatives and pro-government media representatives were granted access to the courtroom. _Defence motion_ The defence filed a motion for a new trial on the ground that “the prosecutor requested a sentence for [Khadija Ismayilova] referring to documents that were not present among the case materials”. Commenting on the motion, the prosecutor said that the defendant and the defence had already posed their questions and had received responses, and requested that the motion be denied. The court agreed to consider the defendant’s testimonies in the deliberation room. The motion was denied, and the court invited the defence lawyers to give their speeches. _Closing speeches of lawyers_ “Article 125 of the Criminal Code of Azerbaijan Republic defines the crime of incitement to suicide as follows: /Driving a person, who has material, service or other dependence on the culprit, to suicide or to attempted suicide by threats, cruel treatment or regular humiliation of his dignity/”. First of all, Khadija Ismayilova did not play an instigating role in the suicide attempt by Mustafayev Tural Bulut oglu. The last meeting between Khadija Ismayilova and Tural Mustafayev took place on 9 March 2014, i.e. more than six months before the suicide attempt. They did not communicated after that. How can a person drive another person to suicide without communicating with him? Khadija Ismayilova became acquainted with Tural Mustafayev in 2013. They both worked at the Baku Bureau of Radio Liberty. But neither was subordinate to or dependent upon the other, financially or otherwise. Furthermore, the “regular” aspect is also absent in this case. During a confrontation with Khadija Ismayilova at the investigative agency, Tural Mustafayev admitted that for more than six months he had repeatedly tried to meet with Khadija Ismayilova and had sent numerous text messages with this intention, however Ismayilova had not responded to any of his messages and no meeting took place. There is no specific or objective evidence in the criminal case materials regarding Khadija Ismayilova’s alleged intimidation of Tural Mustafayev. The opinion # T 221/2014 dated 28 November 2014 of the forensic medical examination conducted within this case shows that based on the referral by Goychay Central Regional Hospital dated 27 October 2014, Tural Mustafayev was admitted to Republican Psychiatric Hospital #1 for inpatient treatment on the same day, diagnosed with “affective personality disorder and fits of depression”. Examination and treatment revealed that Mustafayev “suffers from depressive personality disorder involving suicidal attempts, and during anamnesis he noted that he has suffered from mental disorders in the past 1-2 years, outpatient treatments have been ineffective and during this period he committed 3 suicide attempts”. In a video message that Tural Mustafayev posted on Youtube on 03 May 2015, he notes that he had attempted suicide and that during the investigation of this incident by the Baku City Prosecutor’s Office, he was forced by the first deputy prosecutor, Azer Asgarov and investigator Vagif Suleymanov to provide a written statement declaring that he had been driven to suicide by Khadija Ismayilova. While being questioned in court, Mustafayev said that his suicide attempt had nothing to do with Khadija Ismayilova, and that it was related to his ex-fiancée Rahimova Rovshane Vagif gizi, as their relationship was tense and his mental state was unstable. He stated that he had slandered Khadija Ismayilova. Witness Rahimova Rovshana Vagif gizi, who also testified at the trial regarding this charge, told the court that Tural Mustafayev’s suicide attempt had nothing to do with Khadija Ismayilova, Tural Mustafayev suffered from the severe form of psychopathy and was physically violent towards her on multiple occasions, which she reported to the Interior Ministry’s 102 hotline on 27 July and 16 October 2014. Following these calls, she was taken to the police office together with Tural Mustafayev where statements were taken from them. In September 2014 she accompanied Tural Mustafayev to see the Assistant Professor of Psychiatry at Azerbaijan Medical University, Araz Manuchohr (located at Caspian Plaza, 44 Jafar Jabbarli Street, Yasamal District, Baku). Araz Manuchohr told Tural Mustafayev that he suffered from a severe form of psychopathy. Witness Imranova Aynura Imran gizi gave a similar testimony, saying that Tural Mustafayev suffered from chronic alcoholism, became aggressive after work, and was unable to control himself. Mustafayev Bulut Bahadir oglu, Mustafayeva Nazakat Hasan gizi and Mustafayeva Shafa Shahin gizi, all of whom testified as witnesses, said that were unacquainted with Khadija Ismayilova, and that Tural Mustayafev’s suicide attempt was related to his relationship with his fiancée, Rovshana Rahimova. Witness Abdullayev Javid Ilgar oglu did not confirm his investigation statement, saying that it had been given under duress. He told the court that he had no knowledge of any link between Tural Mustafayev’s suicide attempt and Khadija Ismayilova. Imranova Aynura Imran gizi also said that she had faced pressure while providing her investigation statement, and had been offered well-paid job, an apartment, etc. in return for a statement incriminating Khadija Ismayilova. In his speech, the public prosecutor referred to the statement contained in the indictment rather than any factual evidence proving Ismayilova’s guilt. Khadija Ismayilova must be acquitted of this charge,” said the lawyer. Fariz Namazli stated that the *Article 179.3.2 *charge against Khadija Ismayilova is unfounded and illegal. “According to this charge, Khadija Ismayilova has arranged that several people with whom the radio had signed service contracts, be registered as payers of simplified tax instead of income tax, thereby misappropriating the 10% difference between the income tax and simplified tax, i.e. 17992,60 AZN. First of all, Khadija Ismayilova has not signed contracts with the persons listed in the indictment, namely Hamidov Shamsaddin Rauf oglu, Babayeva Gulnara Rafig gizi, Javadova Esmira Turab gizi, Mammadov Mustajab Mutallim oglu, Nasibova Malahat Ibrahim gizi, Sadigova Gular Miryahya gizi, Hasanov Samir Mammadali oglu, Zeynalov Eldar Tahir oglu, Nasibov Ilgar Elbay oglu, Mammadli Rafig Humbat oglu and “Fargli Dushunja” (Different Opinion) newspaper founder and chief editor Namazov Shahvalad Abutalib oglu, and there is no evidence in the case file proving that she did. It is evident from the contracts - presented by the defence but not accepted or examined by the court, constituting a gross violation of the right to a fair trial - that the contract with Javadova Esmira Turab gizi was signed by Elizabeth Portale, an employee of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty Corporation. The contract with Namazov Shahvalad Abutalib oglu was signed by the official representative of the Representation, Yahya Mirzayev. The position of the official representative of the Representation was held by Anne Eveling until 2005, and by Yahya Mirzayev since 2005 . Generally speaking, if an individual entrepreneur builds a business relationship based on a service contract instead of a labour contract, this does not contravene the existing legislation, and there is no legal provision prohibiting this practice. It is well known that, the subject of both Article 179.3.2 and the Article 308.2 is an official. But Khadija Ismayilova was not in charge of finances, and therefore was not an ‘official’. While serving as the head of Baku Bureau of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, she was not responsible for finances. Her responsibility was limited to coordinating the activities of the bureau based on the instructions of the radio leadership. Thus she was involved exclusively in production work. In other words, she was not entrusted with any property-related or financial obligations. The Azerbaijani Representation of the Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty was officially called the Representation of the RFE/RL Inc. Company in Azerbaijan Republic. The Statute of the Representation was registered by the Ministry of Justice of Azerbaijan Republic on 12 April 2004. According to the Statute, the Representation was established by the RFE/RL Inc. Company, founded and acting in accordance with the legislation of the Delaware State of the USA, which assumes full liability for the Representation’s obligations. According to the Statute, “The Representation is not a legal entity. It only advocates for and defends of the Company’s interests in the Republic of Azerbaijan in a manner, which is not contrary to Azerbaijan’s effective laws and the present statute…” The Representation is managed by the head appointed by the Company. The duties, functions and powers of the head of the Representation are determined in the power-of-attorney granted by the Company. The Representation of RFE/RL Inc. Company in the Republic of Azerbaijan is not the employer and it manifests itself on the labor contracts signed with employees and the Amendments made to these contracts at different times. As such, the labor relations between the employer and employee are regulated by the Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty Corporation. Therefore neither the head of the Baku Bureau nor the head of the the Azerbaijani Service can be considered financially responsible persons. Although the prosecution accuses Khadija Ismayilova of signing service contracts with Hamidov Shamsaddin Rauf oglu, Babayeva Gulnara Rafig gizi, Javadova Esmira Turab gizi, Mammadov Mustajab Mutallim oglu, Nasibova Malahat Ibrahim gizi, Sadigova Gular Miryahya gizi, Hasanov Samir Mammadali oglu, Zeynalov Eldar Tahir oglu, Nasibov Ilgar Elbay oglu, Mammadli Rafig Humbat oglu and “Fargli Dushunja” (Different Opinion) newspaper founder and chief editor Namazov Shahvalad Abutalib oglu, they have not presented contracts signed with these persons as evidence for this charge. The originals of these contracts were seized by the investigating agency during the search of the radio’s office. These contracts were later presented to the inspection commission together with the documents seized from the office and were examined. But they were not later included in the case file, because they had not been signed by Khadija Ismayilova. Therefore the prosecution did not include these contracts in the case file, and presented an inaccurate and unsubstantiated picture.,” Fariz Namazli noted in his speech. This Article of the Criminal Code of Azerbaijan Republic concerns illegal entrepreneurship, which involves generating a large amount of income. This charge was filed against my client, because she has allegedly: 1) continued the bureau’s radio broadcasting activities from July through December 2008 although the license granted to the Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty expired on 01 January 2008 and was not extended; hired various employees; and arranged payment of money to herself and those persons under the pretext of salaries or honoraria, thereby generating a significant income in the amount of 256,400 (two hundred and fifty six thousand four hundred) manat and 54 (fifty four) gapik, through illegal entrepreneurship; and 2) during the period of her employment with the said bureau based on an illegal civil contract as of 01 October 2010, [she] engaged in illegal entrepreneurship by acting without accreditation despite being obliged to obtain accreditation from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Azerbaijan Republic in accordance with Articles 50 and 53 of the Law on Mass Media of 07 December 1999 and the presidential decree of 08 February 2000 regarding the application of this law; and received an income of 79,480 (seventy nine thousand and four hundred and eighty) manat under the pretext of a salary and honoraria, thereby making a total income of 335, 880 (three hundred and thirty five thousand and eighty hundred and eighty) manat 54 (fifty four) gapik between 01 July 2008 and 01 December 2014. First of all, we should note that RFE/RL Inc. Company is a non-commercial company and that this company is funded by the US Congress. It has never in the history of its operations engaged in entrepreneurial activities.. As indicated in the information published on the radio’s website, “Radio Liberty is a non-commercial organization financed by the US Congress”. Entrepreneurship entails completely different notions and its characteristics have been described in various legislative acts. The broader definition of entrepreneurship is given in the following legal regulations: According to Article 1 of the Law on Entrepreneurial Activity, entrepreneurial activity is constituted by the independently performed activities of a person whose the main objective is the extraction of profit (concerning individual entrepreneurs - the income) from the use of property, production and/or sales of goods, performance of works or rendering of services. As for the accusation related to the radio’s functioning without a license, Radio Azadliq was broadcasted over 101.7 FM frequency based on the special permit (license) # TR N 052 dated 07 September 2007 issued by the National Television and Radio Council (hereafter NTRC) of Azerbaijan Republic. Radio Azadliq was granted a one-year special permit (license) for radio broadcasting by the NTRC’s decision dated 7 September 2007 of. The permit in question (license) expired on 7 September 2008. According to the NTRC’s decision dated 30 December 2008, the FM frequency allocated to Radio Azadliq was revoked as of 01 January 2009.[1] From that date, Radio Azadliq ceased broadcasting over the FM frequency. It is unclear why the indictment bill indicated that the special permit (license) expired on 01 January 2008. As stated in Article 50 of the Law on Mass Media, a journalist’s accreditation is not a prerequisite for his work, but a right which accords him additional status and opportunities. On the other hand, Khadija was not a foreign journalist in 2010-2014, but simply a local freelance journalist cooperating with local and foreign media. In this case, it is inaccurate to treat her as a foreign journalist and to claim that she needed to be accredited with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Even if we assume that Khadija Ismayilova failed to obtain accredited as an employee of a foreign media entity, the responsibility incurred under the Law on Mass Media would be limited to the inability to enjoy the rights of a journalist. That is, the legislation does not even stipulate administrative or civil liability – let alone criminal responsibility – for the failure to gain accreditation. *a) regarding the charge brought under Article 213.1 of the Criminal Code of the Azerbaijani Republic* According to this charge, Khadija Ismayilova, as the Baku-based bureau head of the Azerbaijani Representation of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, engaged in activities inconsistent with the main activity and regulations of the organisation that she represented from 01 July 2008 to 01 October 2010; performed payments non-attributable to a non-resident with indefinite purposes, thus evading tax payments of a large amount, equalling 45,145 (forty five thousand and one hundred and forty five) manat 63 (sixty three) gapik from the derived income of 1,354,368 (one million and three hundred and fifty four thousand and three hundred and sixty eight) manat payable to the state budget under Articles 83.9, 103, 105 of the Tax Code of Azerbaijan Republic and Decision #55 of 01 March 2001 and #42 of 04 April 2003 of the Cabinet of Minister of Azerbaijan Republic. First of all, the statement “engaged in activities inconsistent with the main activity and regulations of the organization” is unclear and vague. As stated above, the Azerbaijani Representation of the Radio Liberty is a non-commercial organisation, whose goal is not entrepreneurial activity, but to support democratic values and institutions by spreading news and ideas. On the other hand, the Azerbaijani Representation of the Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty – RFE/RL Inc. Company has an exemplary record in terms of payment of taxes and compulsory social security contributions. According to the reports compiled during the tax inspections carried out in 2009, 2010 and 2012, no violation of law was found. The same is true for the inspections conducted by the State Labour Inspectorate. The tax obligations of the employees, working on the basis of labour and civil contracts, were performed in accordance with the requirements of Azerbaijani legislation. Finally, as a non-commercial organisation the Representation of the RFE/RL Inc. Company in the Republic of Azerbaijan, was not liable for profit tax. In general, the fact that the amount of 1,354,368 (one million and three hundred and fifty four thousand and three hundred and sixty eight) manat transferred to its account from 01 July 2008 to 01 October 2010 are presented as income demonstrates clear prejudice [on the part of the court], because this amount does not constitute income, but rather the minimum operational expenses (office rent, employees’ salaries, honoraria for service contracts, maintenance, and material and technical costs, etc.). Moreover, the tax evasion charge cannot be filed against Khadija Ismayilova as the head of the Baku bureau, because the Baku bureau head did not have administrative and financial powers, nor bear the responsibility for paying taxes and social security contributions. The responsibility for tax evasion can be imposed on the persons who pay the company’s taxes and submit tax and other reports. In the present case, during her tenure as the head of Baku bureau of Radio Liberty, Khadija Ismayilova was not in charge of payment of taxes and social security contributions or submitting reports. These were not included in her duties. Khadija Ismayilova only acted as a coordinator between the Baku Bureau and the Prague office, which does not entail financial or administrative responsibilities. Therefore, the bringing of the tax evasion charge against Khadija Ismayilova is absolutely illegal. The charge filed under Article 308.2 of the Criminal Code of Azerbaijan Republic is also unclear, indefinite and raises significant questions, in contravention of the requirement that the charge be precise and unambiguous. First of all, as noted, Khadija Ismayilova is not and has never been an official. She did not possess or exercise administrative or economic functions while she was the head of Baku bureau. Secondly, even if we assume that my client did serve as an official, it is completely illegal to present her with the indicia of the offence referred to in Article 308.2 of the Criminal Code of Azerbaijan Republic. At minimum, this is because the serious consequences of Khadija Ismayilova’s abuse of official powers, or the possible impact on the results of an election (referendum) have not been demonstrated. Given the above, the charges brought against Khadija Ismayilova are baseless and she must be acquitted,” the lawyer said, concluding his speech. The other defence lawyer, Fakhraddin Mehdiyev declared the indictment to be trumped-up, illegal and unfounded. “The charges are based on assumptions, are prejudiced and are related to Khadija Ismayilova’s [investigative journalism]. The public prosecutor did not refer to any piece of legislation in his speech, and the current proceedings are an embarrassing indictment of the right to presumption of innocence. The prosecutor recited a fairy tale without referring to facts. Khadija Ismayilova cannot be subject to the filed charges and must therefore be acquitted,” Mehdiyev said. Khadija Ismayilova then requested a week to prepare the closing speech, but the judge set the next hearing for August 31, 14.00. *Supreme Court denies Khadija Ismayilova’s cassation appeal* _Summary: Hearing 2 (26 August 2015)_ · The Supreme Court denied the cassation appeal filed by Khadija Ismayilova’s lawyer Yalchin Imanov against the Appeal Court’s decision on the preliminary hearing of the private lawsuit brought by Elman Hasanov (Bayragdar). On 26 August, the Supreme Court heard the case of journalist Khadija Ismayilova. The hearing was presided over by Judge Ali Rustamov. _The cassation appeal filed by lawyer Yalchin Imanov_ The Supreme Court heard the cassation appeal filed by Khadija Ismayilova’s lawyer against the preliminary hearing decision dated 28 April 2015, regarding the private lawsuit filed by Elman Hasanov (Bayragdar). The cassation appeal had been filed following the Appeal Court’s denial of the motion submitted by lawyers Fariz Namazli and Yalchin Imanov to conduct the court session through judicial investigation. The cassation appeal was based on the fact that in their motion, the lawyers noted the need to summon and question an employee of the Ministry of National Security (MNS). The lawyers wanted to clarify a number of issues in the private lawsuit brought by Elman Hasanov (Turkoglu) in the Court of Appeal. It was noted that the MNS employee needed to testify as he had alleged that Khadija Ismayilova had published the letters, although Khadija Ismayilova did not publish any letter in 2011. Thus both the defendant and the private prosecutor had to be questioned, and the evidence had to be re-examined. The cassation appeal also noted that “within one day MNS sent a request to the Investigation Department of the Prosecutor’s Office, to which the latter responded on the same day, suggesting that the Prosecutor’s Office was informed in advance. Therefore, in order to ensure an objective and comprehensive investigation of the case, the MNS employee must be questioned during the consideration of the case in the Court of Appeal. Therefore, the court session must be conducted through judicial investigation”. The court collegium denied the cassation appeal. Elman Hasanov (Turkoglu) had requested that Khadija Ismayilova be brought to criminal responsibility for /Libel/ under the Criminal Code, claiming invasion of his privacy and slandered in a post published by the journalist on her Facebook page. Binagady District Court ruled that the journalist must pay 2500 manat in fines. The court’s decision has been appealed. Khadija Ismayilova was arrested on 5 December 2014. She was initially charged with incitement to suicide. In February, new charges of misappropriation, tax evasion, abuse of office and illegal entrepreneurship were brought against her. *Khadija Ismayilova delivers her closing speech * _Summary: Final hearing (31 August 2015)_ · Khadija Ismayilova delivered her closing statement; · Court broke for deliberation to announce the verdict. On August 31, the Baku Court of Grave Crimes held a hearing on the case of journalist Khadija Ismayilova. Judge Ramella Allahverdiyeva presided over the hearing. Today’s hearing was no different from previous ones in terms of its semi-closed format. Similarly, only APA, Virtualaz.org and Telegraph reporters were allowed into the courtroom, along with representatives of the US and German Embassies and Ismayilova’s family members. The representatives of UK and French embassies and European Union were denied access, along with numerous journalists and members of the public. There were a number of police officers and non-uniformed employees of the Ministry of National Security (MNS) present in the vicinity of the court. The courtroom seats were once again occupied by strangers, non-uniformed court officers and MNS employees. _Khadija Ismayilova’s closing speech_ At today’s hearing, Khadija Ismayilova delivered her closing speech: “Dear hearing participants, dear court, and also those of you who have become observers of this hearing under duress and have filled the seats to prevent the entry of the public interested in the hearing! I do not know what have concluded from this express hearing, but my conclusion is that the repression machine is about to collapse. Of course, it can be considered as the effect of the decline in the oil market, but there are also other reasons. One of the reasons is us! The ability of the Azerbaijani law enforcement system to concoct a crime when there is none is well known to many people. But by skilfully exposing the disgraceful facts of Azerbaijan's judicial process for years, honest citizens, journalists (I surely do not mean those who instead of reporting on this hearing serve as a clerk for the prosecutor's office) and human rights defenders of this country have forced the repression machine to conceal their actions in ever more disgraceful ways. Like the liars who are forced to tell more lies when their lies are exposed, the employees of the prosecutor's office and the court were forced to resort to further falsifications and legal violations when their illegal actions were revealed. The first thing revealed by these proceedings was the fact that the employees of prosecutor's office and tax authorities have failed to justify their pay packets and have failed to perform a proper smear campaign in return for the illegal advantages that they enjoy. Yes, even smearing requires skill. Even the statements that they forced people to sign by breaking their will or taking advantage of their illiteracy, psychological state and fear did not provide sufficient grounds for the criminal case opened against me, and moreover, it was revealed during the court proceedings that each of those statements had been extracted through illegal methods; either under duress, or by falsification through having them signed without being read - and sometimes even by falsifying the signatures to the statements. One of the witnesses was even offered bribe. How miserable you are! The case fabricated against me using the cheapest versions of falsification was its own exposure. Therefore, I am not going to describe these matters at length in addition to what my lawyers have already said. Many facts were revealed when the tax inspectors responded to the questions: 1. They said they had not seen a single document with my signature. 2. They noted that they had examined only the documents given to them by the prosecutor's office. 3. They said that they had not examined the documents in the computer of Yahya Mirzayev, who was in charge of the management of the representative office based on a power of attorney, or viewed any document in electronic media. 4. They said that they had prepared the Interim Act without applying to the official representative of the representative office to obtain the documents: 5. They also said that they had presumed the violations alleged in the Interim Act based not on the documents that were available, but rather on those unavailable. In order to reaffirm for myself how desperate the prosecutor's office was, I decided to play a game. I gave a deceptive hint to the prosecutors. I told them that my friendship with Tural Mustafayev (yes, my relationship with the victim had no other name or form) began after our discussions on how he should advocate for his rights after being beaten during Jamil Hasanli's rally in Sabirabad. The prosecutor's office included that date in the prosecution’s speech in an attempt to show that they had conducted a detailed investigation. It was not very difficult to find that my communication with Tural Mustafayev was limited to the office of the Radio Azadliq. The prosecutor's office possessed the antenna data of Mustafayev's phone. These data are in the case file as well and have also been presented to me. For this, they needed to work and examine documents, but the employees of the prosecutor's office do not have time to work. After all, they need time to spend the money they receive in return for their falsifications and slander. Therefore, the president needs to check the effectiveness of the money spent on the repression machine. They do not justify your trust, Mr. President. As the witness statements were exposed one after another, the prosecutor's office decided that the case materials, which the prosecutor's office itself had devised, should not be examined in court, because this would reveal before everyone how they had cheated those who gave them the orders with regard to this case. The selected statements that they passed to the media were their attempts to report to their masterminds, which again failed. Poor quality falsification forced the court to commit further violations of law, and I am sure that Ms. Ramella Allahverdiyeva and her leadership have already complained to the mastermind, the Presidential Administration about the trouble caused by the poor job of the prosecutor's office. When I say I am sure, I mean I know. Now I would like to speak to the charges brought against me. These charges have not been selected randomly. It is because I have spoken and written so much about the crimes described in these Articles [of the Criminal Code]. I won't talk much about Article 125. I was not the only person who wrote and spoke about the wave of suicide that swept the country due to poverty, debt, and police violence. If the reason for Tural Mustafayev's suicide attempt was not his relationship with his fiancée, but unemployment, then as I had said at the previous hearing, Ilham Aliyev must have shared the dock with me *[at this point, the presiding judge Ramella Allahverdiyeva interrupted Khadija Ismayilova's speech, demanded that she spoke on the merits of the charges and issued her a warning]*. Mustafayev complained of his failure to find a job with the pro-government media. Surely, as Mustafayev himself has pointed out, all this was nothing more than slander and the MNS (the Ministry of National Security) and Baku City Prosecutor's Office had been mobilized to force him into slandering. This is the very MNS which planted a camera in my bedroom in 2011 and blackmailed me in 2012. This is the very Baku City Prosecutor's Office which covered up that crime, which is why I have sued them. You have probably watched the movie "If not that one, then this one”. You also probably remember the famous "bridesmaid" character. you must also remember the famous character of that movie – the wife of the brother. Assuming the bride and the groom were spending their first night together, she tried peeking through the keyhole. Inside, Server makes Meshedi Ibad withdraw; he is holding a gun. In the meantime, the wife of the brother does not call anyone for help because she is actually seeing what she is imagining but not what is happening in reality. So those plotting against me are acting like the wife of the brother. They are so enthusiastic that they don't know they are going to fall once the door opens. The Azerbaijani government did its utmost to drive me to suicide, but I proved stronger. They poked their noses in my private life, but they could not break me. They blackmailed me, but I did not grovel. I won't be broken even if they sentence me to 15, or even to 25 years in jail. They could as well silence me like Elmar Huseynov, Rafig Tagi or Rasim Aliyev. But I was cautious and always had someone beside me. I never stayed alone. There were people dealing with my security. Therefore, there are a lot of witnesses to my relationship with Tural Mustafayev. The prosecutor referred to text messages and Facebook messages, which have not been examined in court – a violation of law. If those messages were to assist the prosecution, why were they not read out or examined in court? Because if they had been examined, they would reveal that Mustafayev had not presented them with these pages [screenshots?]; some of them have been taken out of context and some of them have been concocted. It would also become clear that contrary to the prosecution's allegations, Tural Mustafayev was not sacked by Meydan TV. He himself presented his resignation letter on February 28, 2014, that is, 12 days before March 9, not after the cessation of our relationship as the prosecution puts it. I used to think about the power of the prosecutor office's imagination, and struggled to believe that they could have fabricated this story themselves, because the strength of their fantasy was a surprise for me. But one day, when my cellmates were watching a movie starring Izzat Bagirov and Mehriban Khanlarova, I was distracted from the book that I was reading by familiar phrases and storyline. I had read them my own case file. Yes, it was theft. Like a movie, you know. Again, they were not strong enough to think of something new. They stole from a movie. Now let's look at the other charges fabricated by our glorious law-enforcement agencies, who even steal their slanders: Article 213 – tax evasion It was absurd to bring the tax evasion charge against Khadija Ismayilova, the person who investigated the money stolen from Azerbaijani people by the presidential family and moved offshore, their abuse of state contracts and tax evasion through offshore companies. My students, my colleagues and I were writing about offshore accounts and cases of tax evasion through the companies set up on islands in their own names and in Azerbaijan under the names of others. So here it goes - the tax evasion charge has been brought against me. I have paid taxes on every single penny that I earned. But the charge has nothing to do with my tax reporting. They claim that I was responsible for the tax reports of the radio's Azerbaijani representation, my employer. Moreover, these reports had to be made not according to the law but according to what they wanted them to look like. We spent part of the investigation period and the trial simply reminding the prosecution of the simple and undeniable facts, such as "the Azerbaijani representation is not the same as Baku Bureau", "I headed the bureau, not the representative office", "the Radio has never sold anything or made any profit", "I did not have the financial responsibility". But they insisted, saying “the yoghurt is black". They had been given an order and they probably had to make that argument accordingly. But they should at least have some respect for our intellect and not present us with this poor quality falsification. Article 179. Waste and misappropriation Even our slanderous prosecutor’s office didn’t dare accuse me of misappropriation. They devised an allegation stating that I had wasted the taxes payable to the state budget in favour of third parties, i.e. the radio's employees. My colleagues and I have written a lot about the cases of embezzlement and misappropriation, about asphalt roads, a kilometre of which cost 60 million manat, about the Flag Square, which cost the state 30 million manat when its estimated cost was 6-7 million manat, about the preparations for Eurovision, and about the construction of Crystal Hall. But unlike the prosecutor’s office, we substantiated our articles with documents and facts, not with speculations and probabilities. Moreover, unlike the charges brought against me, the hero of my stories, Ilham Aliyev *[at this point, judge Novruz Karimov demanded that Khadija Ismayilova speak on the merits. Presiding judge Ramella Allahverdiyeva also warned Khadija Ismayilova, but Khadija Ismayilova ignored them and continued her speech)* has truly wasted the state budget entrusted to him, and the direct beneficiaries of this waste are his family members - his children. This is clearly demonstrated by the copies of orders and founding documents of the companies, which I attached to my articles. However, the prosecutor’s office and tax inspectors failed to put forward any document confirming my powers, nor even a single contract or payment order bearing my signature. They could have made falsifications, but maybe they did not dare to after it had been proved that they had falsified Intigam Aliyev's signature. Article 308. Abuse of office The prosecutor’s office also failed to prove how I had abused my powers. I am more successful in proving something than glorious prosecutor office employees. For example, I had attached to my article a copy of the document which proved that the order to sign a contract with a company belonging to the president *[at this point, presiding judge Ramella Allahverdiyeva interrupted Khadija Ismayilova's final speech, saying "Khadija Ismayilova, I interrupt your final speech and I am leaving for the deliberation room”. Khadija Ismayilova ignored the judge, and this time Ramella Allahverdiyeva said "Khadija Ismayilova, I warn you"] *for exploitation of six gold mines including Chovdar had been given by no one esle but the president *(judge Novruz Karimov intervened, demanding that she speak on the merits of the case. After that, presiding judge Ramella Allahverdiyeva once again warned Khadija Ismayilova)*. I also produced documents proving just how easily the same family acquired state contracts without a tender and how millions were transferred to industrial enterprises on the orders of the head of the family before their privatization for a few pennies. Article 192. Illegal entrepreneurship This is my favourite charge. Do you know what illegal entrepreneurship is? This is when the president, the prime minister or a member of parliament is engaged in entrepreneurship. My foreign colleagues and I were taken aback when we saw that the president *(at this point, judge Novruz Karimov intervened again and reiterated his warning. The presiding judge again warned Khadija Ismayilova and noted that this was the last warning and before they would end her speech and go to the deliberation room. Khadija Ismayilova told the presiding judge that she was speaking to the charges; the judge replied that she was not. The presiding judge said "If you diverge from the charges once more, we'll interrupt your final speech and leave for the deliberation room”. Khadija Ismayilova said, "I do not diverge from the charges. I am speaking to the charges filed against me”. The presiding judge repeated her previous statement)* was personally the founder of companies in Virgin Islands. He was not yet president when setting up this company, but he was an MP and vice-president of SOCAR. Then he became Minister, and then president, but did not relinquish the company. We were surprised when we saw the name of Mehriban Aliyeva in the documents of the companies based in Panama. But what's the use? The prosecutor’s office did not share our surprise. Where was the prosecutor’s office when my colleagues and I wrote exposed the illegal business of an MP? Why did they fail to react? They told Transparency International that they had not received an official appeal with regard to the facts contained in those articles. In other words, they turned a blind eye to this. However, according to the law, the fact that it was stated in a newspaper was enough to start criminal proceedings. Let it be so. Let's believe that you were not aware. Accept what I say in my final speech here as an official appeal. I have so many witnesses that to this appeal. The links of my articles are attached to the texts. So come on, open the criminal case! And finally, my friends are asking me what I think about the jail sentence and the difficulties awaiting me. Frankly, I do not think about it. What's does it matter if I become one of the 500 prisoners in Prison #4 waiting in a queue for eight WCs, when this country is facing so many troubles? There, I'll have the opportunity to expose the official claims of unprecedented development and transparency in the penitentiary service as a myth. I am a person who can turn problems into opportunities *(Ramella Allahverdiyeva interrupted, saying "Speak on merits")*. This is how it has been and how it will be. I'll build a house out of the stones thrown at me. They ask if it is not difficult. Everything depends on what you are attuned to. Those who are attuned to struggles do not feel difficulties. As Nazim Hikmat once said: "Let those, to whom the tears of family members seem like a burden, not walk the same path with us”. My colleagues and I expose corruption. I won't be able to do this work while I am in jail. But I am glad that following my arrest, 100 journalists from around the world launched an investigation project. Yes, I am in jail, but the work goes on. Because the work that we do is important. We wrote and we informed the public, despite the arrest and blackmails that we faced in retaliation *(the prosecutor stated that Khadija Ismayilova had diverged from the merits)*. But I am still happy that I have fulfilled my duty. We, the journalists, were able to stand up for our people and our state. Corruption does not only make some people richer, it also deprives many of opportunities, education, and healthcare service, and sometimes of life. We bear witness to the fact that the people that were mentioned in the International Bank fraud, which we had investigated in 2011, *(presiding judge demanded that Khadija Ismayilova speak on merits) *were accused of embezzlement on a far larger scale afterwards. The pain and anger that I felt when it was revealed that tender frauds were behind the facade renovation work of the building that burned down in Azadliq Avenue was too great *(presiding judge Ramella Allahverdiyeva interrupted, saying that this had nothing to do with the charges. Khadija Ismayilova said she had been arrested for uncovering such facts and the order for her detention had been given due to her investigative work)*. But we were writing about that fraud. This network should have been stopped on time! But no, because one end of this network reached too high. Corruption led to a tragedy that resulted in the death of 15 people. We had sounded the alarm about the fraudulent businessmen and flammable facade materials on time. Time will not stop when I am in jail. Elections, stealing from the budget *(judge Novruz Karimov demanded that Khadija Ismayilova spoke on merits and the presiding judge again warned her)*, and throwing dust in people's eyes will continue. I am sure that real journalists and vigilant citizens will continue to expose election fraud. My request to my colleagues and to Radio Azadliq is: Please make sure that the only difference in this year's "Election Train" programme *(the prosecutor demanded that she speak on merits, to which lawyer Fariz Namazli objected. The presiding judge warned Ismayilova, backed by the prosecutor, who said that Khadija Ismayilova was speaking beyond the charges. Lawyer Fariz Namazli again objected) is *the presenter's voice, and that the team continues to expose corruption with the same enthusiasm as before. Let's not forget that this is our country, and let's not sacrifice it to bandits with our silence *(the court panel stood up and announced deliberations, and hurried to the deliberation room without announcing the date of the next hearing. Khadija Ismayilova continued her closing speech)*. I am in good company here. How happy I am if I share the same fate as Leyla Yunus, Intigam Aliyev, Anar Mammadli, Ilgar Mammadov, Tofig Yagublu, Rashadat Akhundov, Ilkin Rustemzades and believers, human rights defenders and journalists serving jail sentences for the sake of their beliefs and principles. Do not worry about me. In conclusion, I would like to express thanks to: · My colleagues, who did not let our work remain unfinished; · Activists protesting against repression; · International human rights bodies for their continuous support and attention; · Embassy representatives observing this hearing. It is true that the unlawfulness that they see in courtrooms does not prevent their ambassadors from welcoming projects soaked with corruption or their countries' leaders from shaking the hands of a dictator. But anyway, I thank them. At least, for not giving lame excuses ignorance. · I thank my lawyers for their selfless assistance to me, and to the helpless people who turned to me for help in prison during these months. Thanks to my lawyers, a couple of mothers have been reunited with their children. They tasted freedom again. There are so many silent victims of injustice in this country here. We are so happy if we can help some of them. And lastly, Ms. Ramella Allahverdiyeva, I wish you good vacation after you announce the verdict. I wish that you could one day spend your vacation without pain of conscience and without silencing your conscience. I hope that the boomerang effect of the evil that you are going to sign does not affect you or your loved ones. However, the law of conservation of energy leaves me with little hope. *Khadija Ismayilova sentenced to 7.5 years in jail* _Summary: Verdict hearing (1 September 2015)_ · Khadija Ismayilova was acquitted of incitement to suicide (filed under Article 125 of Criminal Code), but convicted of the rest of the charges. On 1 September, the Baku Court of Grave Crimes held a final hearing on journalist Khadija Ismayilova’s case. Judge Ramella Allahverdiyeva presided over the hearing. The semi-closed hearing was attended by APA, Virtualaz.org and Telegraph reporters, representatives of the US, German and UK embassies and the EU delegation, and members of Khadija Ismayilova’s family. A group of journalists and members of the public were again denied access. A large number of police officers and non-uniformed MNS employees were deployed around the court building. The courtroom seats were filled up by strangers, non-uniformed court officers and MNS employees. *_The court’s verdict _* The court acquitted Khadija Ismayilova of the charge filed under Article 125 of the Criminal Code of Azerbaijan Republic (incitement to suicide) on the grounds that she had not been proven guilty. However, the court found her guilty under Articles 179.3.2 (misappropriation and waste on a large scale), 192.2.2 (illegal entrepreneurship), 213.1 (tax evasion) and 308.2 (abuse of official powers). Ismayilova was sentenced to 7.5 years in jail and given a 3-year ban on holding certain positions or engaging in certain activities. 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