[governance] On WSIS+10 (was Re: Why?)

Wed May 20 15:16:32 EDT 2015

Jean-Louis,

There is no connection between WEF and IGF. There is a indeed a debate
regarding the NETmundial Initiative'sinvolvement with the WEF but this is a
separate issue. Actually one of the criticisms raised towards the NMI
was the lack of clarity - at least initially - regarding its connection (
or non-connection) or even competition with the IGF.

That being said, you have a valid pint regarding the scope of the IGF which
is indeed narrower than the WSIS one. The IGF cannot and should not cover
everything.

My last point was more a provocative question related to the different
status of CS in the two processes.

Best

B.

On Wednesday, May 20, 2015, <jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> Bertrand
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> I partly agree with your views but the concluding question you raise lets
> me confused or,in plain french, sidéré :
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> <in that context, maybe the motto should be: the real WSIS+10 is the IGF
> 2015. Why don't we make it so? >
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> Thus, in your opinion the WEF/IGF is given the capacity to address
> anthroplogic, cultural, social, societal, ethical and minorities' issues
> that are in the center of any "information society" ?
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> This opinion explains much better as any long discurse the "shift" of some
> "CS" groups in the WSIS process that Wolfgang is questioning (I think he
> has forgotten some of our "lively" debates in CS plenaries when Bill (Mc
> Iver) then Sally (Burch) chaired them).
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>
> regards
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> Jean-Louis Fullsack
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> > Message du 19/05/15 20:28
> > De : "Bertrand de La Chapelle" <bdelachapelle at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bdelachapelle at gmail.com');>>
> > A : "governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','governance at lists.igcaucus.org');>" <
> governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','governance at lists.igcaucus.org');>>,
> "Michael Gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gurstein at gmail.com');>>
> > Copie à : "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <
> wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de');>
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> > Objet : [governance] On WSIS+10 (was Re: Why?)
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> Michael,
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> >
> I am not sure I see what you mean below by "working to undermine and
> diminish the significance of the WSIS+10"?
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> >
> What surely could undermine the WSIS+10 process is that it will most
> likely be less open to non-state actors - and civil society in particular -
> than the WSIS itself 10 years ago. Unless things have changed, and
> according to the excellent summary by APC
> <https://www.apc.org/en/news/everything-you-need-know-about-wsis10-review>
> :
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> >
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> *the review is going to be "a two-day high-level meeting of the General
> Assembly". The document will be prepared by "an intergovernmental
> negotiation process, which will include preparatory meetings, resulting in
> an intergovernmentally agreed outcome document, for adoption at the
> high-level meeting of the General Assembly".*
>
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> >
> For sure, modalities for consultation of relevant WSIS stakeholders are
> supposed to be put in place, but there is a big question mark in that
> regard at the moment, isn't it?
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> >
> In that context, maybe the motto should be: the real WSIS+10 is the IGF
> 2015. Why don't we make it so?
>
> >
> Best
>
> >
> Bertrand
>
>       "*Le plus beau métier des hommes, c'est d'unir les hommes*",
> Antoine de Saint Exupéry
> > ("*There is no greater mission for humans than uniting humans*")
> >
>
> >
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gurstein at gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >
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>> Wolfgang, I must say that I find your statement below exceedingly odd in
>> > that you seem to have ignored the manner in which a number of the
>> leading
>> > "civil society" organizations have been working alongside their USG and
>> UKG
>> > (and other) allies to undermine and diminish the significance of the
>> WSIS
>> > +10 process.
>> >
>> > M
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org');>
>> > [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org');>]
>> On Behalf Of "Kleinwächter,
>> > Wolfgang"
>> > Sent: May 19, 2015 3:01 PM
>> > To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','governance at lists.igcaucus.org');>;
>> parminder; David Cake
>> > Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','governance at lists.igcaucus.org');>;
>> BestBitsList; Forum at Justnetcoalition. Org
>> >
>> Subject: [governance] Why?
>> >
>> > Sorry for intervening: It is really a pitty that the discussion on this
>> list
>> > is occupied by hairsplitting, "I told you but you do not listen" and "I
>> am
>> > right and you are wrong". Why this civil society network, which once
>> played
>> > an important role in policy development in the WSIS process, is unable
>> to
>> > look forward where the real challenges are with the forthcoming WSIS 10+
>> > processes and concentrate on substance and how to reach rough
>> consensus? Why
>> > people do not respect anymore what Jon Postel has told us a quarter of a
>> > century ago in his robustness princple: "Be conservative in what you
>> send,
>> > be liberal in what you accept". Why they do not remember the language
>> of the
>> > CS WSIS Geneva Declaration from 2003?
>> >
>> > The Bali split (2013) has obviously long shadows and old warriors have
>> > overtaken the discussion.
>> >
>> > My hope is that the WSIS 10++ perspective will encourage a new
>> generation of
>> > younger civil society people who feel more committed to the substance of
>> > real civil society activities and do not waste the limited resources and
>> > energies for infighting. And do not forget: The WGIG proposal for a
>> > multistakeholder approach in Internet Governance (2005) was a compromise
>> > between "governmental leadership" (China) and private sector leadership
>> > (USA)and it opened the door for civil society to become an inclusive
>> part of
>> > the process. This was a boig achievement of that time and an
>> opportunity. It
>> > is now up to the next generation of civil society activists to build on
>> this
>> > oppportunity. It would be a big shame if this would be destroyed.
>> >
>> > Wolfgang
>> >
>> >
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