[governance] [bestbits] Remarks at UNESCO Closing Ceremony of "Connecting the Dots Conference"

[parminder]

On Saturday 07 March 2015 08:12 PM, parminder wrote:
>
>
> On Saturday 07 March 2015 07:32 PM, Benedek, Wolfgang 
> (wolfgang.benedek at uni-graz.at) wrote:
>> First to make my position clear I'm myself an advocate of democratic
>> governance and a holistic approach to human rights although not as an
>> alternative to multistakeholderism, the potential of which in my view
>> still needs to be developed.
>>
>> Second I have myself proposed in writing to the Secretariat to include
>> certain language on global citizenship education, a concept supported by
>> the UN Secretary General and developed very actively in the educational
>> sector of UNECO while only mentioned once in the UNESCO study to resolve
>> ethical issues in cyberspace. Finally, the concept was only mentioned
>> without any elaboration. And I'm aware that several other proposals made
>> by others were not taken up at all.
>>
>> Regarding the baggage issue, I'm not an insider to these discussions, I
>> have no problem with appeals to democratic values, but I'm aware that the
>> concept of democracy has also been misused a lot in history, take the
>> examples of the former German Democratic Republic(GDR), the Democratic
>> Republic of Congo (DRC) or the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea. It
>> would be good to work for a consensus on the understanding and role of
>> democracy in the context of the internet among civil society and academia
>> first before forcing it into international documents.
>
> What about doing the same about the 'multistakeholder thing, which did 
> go into the doc? Are you are saying that democracy is on more unsure 
> grounds than MSism to go into international documents? If so, on what 
> basis? You know that the whole thing would have been made to grind to 
> a halt if the multistkeholder word was removed from the doc, or not 
> included in the first place. The question is: why is democracy subject 
> to such interrogation, and not the MS concept? Why are there so many 
> defenders of MSism and none for democracy?
>
> Again, sorry to hear use of words like 'forcing into international 
> documents' about democracy. You of course you say so in particular 
> respect of Internet - but as a Professor of and expert in human 
> rights, do you think that democracy may or may not be as applicable in 
> relation to Internet, as it is about other issues, like trade, health, 
> education, climate change, etc.
>
> This plot keeps thickening... Good to have a through continued education\

I meant, thorough continued discussion  ...


> .... parminder
>> Wolfgang Benedek
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 07.03.15 14:01 schrieb "Michael Gurstein" unter<gurstein at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> And to be very clear, in the case of "democracy"  it wasn't simply a
>>> matter of the concept "not making it into the final document" but rather
>>> that those involved made the clear political choice to promote
>>> "multistakeholderism" and suppress "democracy".
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
>>> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Norbert Klein
>>> Sent: March 7, 2015 3:45 AM
>>> To:governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>>> Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] Remarks at UNESCO Closing Ceremony
>>> of "Connecting the Dots Conference"
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/07/2015 02:30 PM, Benedek, Wolfgang (wolfgang.benedek at uni-graz.at)
>>> wrote:
>>>> As a participant and speaker in the UNESCO conference Connecting the
>>>> dots: Options for future action  in Paris I think it is important to
>>>> put the record straight: the main purpose of the conference was to
>>>> give feedback to the UNESCO draft Internet study and advise on the
>>>> future priorities in this field. This was done in several plenary and
>>>> 16 breakout sessions in a MSH-approach quite successfully.
>>>> The fact that two concepts important to some did not make it into the
>>>> outcome document should not be overestimated as this is all work in
>>>> progress. Also other concepts dear to others were not or only partly
>>>> included. I also do not remember that these concepts were elaborated
>>>> on during the sessions or panels in any significant way in order to
>>>> deepen their understanding.
>>>>
>>>> Wolfgang Benedek
>>>>
>>> Dear Mr. Benedek,
>>>
>>> thanks for this, for this type of, clarification - using only formalities
>>> like "Also other concepts dear to others were not or only partly
>>> included."
>>>
>>> I cannot easily imagine what kind of "other concept" of a similar
>>> importance and weight could be lined up with "democracy." I would
>>> appreciate it if you, as a participant in this UNESCO conference, could
>>> share some of these "other concepts" which were also not, or only
>>> partially, included.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Norbert Klein
>>> Cambodia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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